Canceling | ContraPoints
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Love you queen
Exactly what I came here for
(drinks martini) good for her
The queen is back im happy with this even if im piece of shit im happy you are back
You are beautiful. Você é linda
When a series gets cancelled and comes back as a movie
Cancellers: knows about contrapoints "I wonder if this incredibly abusive behaviour will become a contrapoints video... Not like she hasn't openly told her channel about the literal tidal waves of abuse she openly confronted for the good of all of us. This time she will kneel to us and in no way profit from discussing our insane behaviour" -uncorks gasoline and pours it onto twitter-
New year's day.
Cancellers :pika -pikaaaa
@@ultralurker7579 lmao
Nailed it
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Well played
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Other unsung titles:
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Revenge of the Shitlords
The Force Awokens
The fact that Abigail was trans all along yet was being accused of being transphobic for not cancelling another trans woman puts all of this in perspective.
Yeah I was just thinking this. It seems so much more ridiculous now as well
@@yashthosar me too. i need context
@@FriskyDingo36 ermmmm i literally have no idea how to even start looking for that sorry. there are 32k comments on this video
@@rennnnnnnnnnnnn it’s right above my original comment lol
@@FriskyDingo36 thats not how youtube comments work anymore. whenever a different person loads a video, comments are loaded based on how they interact with youtube (ie the algorithm sorts everything). so the comments are not arranged the same way for me as they are for you. so the comment you are talking about has been buried at this point and im not going to be able to find it. could you just re-explain who abigail is if you know?
Broke: Die Hard is a Christmas movie
Woke: In Bruges is a Christmas movie
Bespoke: Contrapoints's 2019 feature length video on cancelling is a Christmas movie
I do always manage to find it in January. I wonder how many others there are like us.
@@coaxill4059Weird, same😂
@@DeadCanuck oh wow seemingly more than just me
@@coaxill4059 Interesting.
The ringing bells and plucked strings that she put to her Twitter reading at the 1 hour mark really make this a Christmas movie.
"the people who cheer at your execution are the same people who cheered at your coronation. People just love a show."
Can't remember who said that, but I feel like it sums up 'cancelling'
@R H E A not OP but damn, I should really give those books a try.
I like to think of it like a daytime drama. It's only cancelled until they go back to the writers room and come up with a better message. This is the difference between cancelled and exiled although I think some don't understand the distinction.
Terry Pratchett from Going Postal. "Always remember that the crowd that applauds your coronation is the same crowd that will applaud your beheading. People like a show."
It's a little like when Jeremy Kyle got very bad press because one of their recent guest's death, suddenly it was like everybody hated the show, and it was almost expected to denounce it in some way. It was one of the more highly rated and watched shows on daytime tv and will likely be again if and when it returns. People don't care about the death... if they did then they'd care at least somewhat about the people dying on the streets in their own neighbourhood, or literally anything similar, but they don't... the difference here is that they get to feign caring to get their anger fix, they're basically getting off.
Actually, I'm convinced the people who jump into canceling barely even know about the receiver, I had no intention of looking more into JC's cancellation because I didn't like him in the first place, I liked seeing that little shit get a taste of the real world, BUT I'd get a hard time "canceling" someone I like because I saw them grow and know them and probably understand their decisions, had I watched JC maybe I'd be like "Come on! He's young and he's always struggling to find a bf! Don't judge him for flirting with a bicurious guy!" But nope, I didn't know that nor cared, like most people who jumped into cancelling him.
"This is not really the most feminine moment for me"
*chugging alcohol alone while wearing a sweater in front of a pile of trash*
I dunno, seems pretty feminine to me, yo.
"Chugging alcohol alone while wearing a sweater in front of a pile of trash" also sounds strangely like a work Christmas party.
Full on Bridget Jones :)
Awww look at the losers attempting to troll, off you fuck, losers 💅🏻
@@alexanderdempsey9424 weeaak, y'all gotta find a new creative way to troll, this is so tried and unbelievable these days lol
I call this “Tuesday”.
In retrospect, misgendering and deadnaming someone online cause you think they're transphobic is truly batshit wild
Yeah… the internet during the late 10s was wild, the more I look back on it. Oof.
In retrospect? You needed hindsight to identify the cruel irony?
@@chrisbovington9607 Yes, people grow to be a better person, be it due to the time passed or the changing societal standards. No need to act like that makes them a "bad person".
@@chrisbovington960723wfQ
Fr like that's literally the first thing people tell you about trans discourse. Correct name and pronouns are basic decency afforded to even the most vile and objectively horrible cis people, and thus it must also be extended to trans people, regardless of anyone's opinion on them or how bad they are/seem. It's not that hard to do. But this kind of "discourse" is meant specifically to isolate, distress, and emotionally mutilate the target, in this case Natalie. So these people will use whatever they can to make her squirm. It's simple playground bully shit: if you have a soft spot, it will be exploited.
on dualism and essentialism: it's curious how a single "bad" action can make a "good" person "bad", but a single "good" action cannot make a "bad" person "good".
real
That’s so true
yea its almost like people aren't allowed to have flaws and make mistakes as it feels like cancell culture jas turned into just "cancelling" anyone who slips up or isnt perfect rather than trying to cancel someone who has a pattern of bad behavior and shouldn't have a platform
it's especially when people associate being "good" with things that agree with a certain viewpoint. i, myself, am a sensitive snowflake leftist but a lot of these kids on twitter definitely have not experienced enough life to determine that not knowing what to say and even what to believe will not make any "good" person become "bad." it almost calls for being safe in how we express ourselves and not saying exactly how we feel so that no one ever gets offended and/or invalidated. i do feel for them though. most of them likely find their validation from the online community so (especially someone like Contra who they likely look up to) expressing an opinion that can be in any way understood as invalidating will lead them to spiral. we definitely need a group therapy session after this lol
Local woman literally too angry to die
You mean *biological* woman, right? You forgot that important detail. Natalie is a fab biological woman.
@PrettyNeckslashes get out of this comment section
Lol
@PrettyNeckslashes a degree in science doesn't tell us anything about what you know. Your degree could be in dentistry of biomechanics for all we know. Even in bio, as I'm im, I don't know everything because having a degree is about having a basis for which to aquire new knowledge. It's shameful to see people using a certificate instead of an argument. Your words tell us that you have not researched this at all.
@PrettyNeckslashes Do you have scientific backing for that claim? Because I have scientific backing that it's wrong and you're ignorant.
Oh, and side note: science in general and the science of biological sex and transgenderism aren't the same thing. You can't pull an "I have a background in science" card, because it only makes you look not only ignorant but purposefully and biasedly so.
How to Beat the System as ContraPoints:
1. Draft a TH-cam video essay
2. Buy a month’s supply of liquor
3. Film yourself drinking from every bottle
4. Edit and release the video
5. Write off booze as work expenses on your taxes
6. Slay
oh yeah, a "month's" supply, exactly...
damn I gotta start up a youtube career
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So how does one get in on that strategy? Asking for a friend.
you win best comment.
The fact that both James Charles and Buck Angel got worse after this date and the video still holds up this well is remarkable.
oh, did they? can you give me some tea?
Buck Angel was one of several trans men who released a document about how they had a valid medical condition whereas other trans men and all trans women are just fetishistic perverts. So overall not a good look, basically the caricature Natalie has used Tiffany Tumbles for.
So Buck is not a great dude for the wider trans community but as th original commenter points out, Natalie’s commentary still rings true despite the accusations against Buck becoming retroactively more valid
@@SolasLupum Yes, and apparently James Charles sent some suggestive messages to minors. The video still holds up well though.
@@jadenjerries2094 James charles was outed as an actual pedophile with images and video proof of him sending sexual messages to many 15-17 yr old dudes in his mid 20s. Yuck.
cos the video isn't about defending shitty people it's about how shitty people can be portrayed as a different or worse kind of shitty falsely via cancel culture and that it's important to view these things critically lest you end up turning against people who may not deserve it or become the victim of such simplistic thinking yourself.
As a almost boomer. You have shined. You have taught me about trans individuals. Fuck the haters. You are killing it lady. Keep up the good work.
True that bro. She is killing it. Natalie ROCKS !!
I have no dog in this fight. I'm a v. late 50s cis gender black male who tries to accept all people because I want all people to accept me, my brothers and my sisters. All that to say I learn a lot from your channel but suspect the people who need most to see this won't. All you can do is keep on keepin' on. Natalie for the Wynn. (Yes I am proud of that. Thank you hon.)
@@sierradelta07 Excellent pun ^^ I'm happy you're here
I’m 30 but I’m gonna call myself an almost boomer now 😂
@@sierradelta07 I am very proud of you for that joke 😂 that was a good one.
2016: Quick 15 min breakdown of a nazi propaganda
2020: Contrapoints: Cancelling - The Motion Picture
2020 off to a start. What a strange timeline we're in
Colorized.
2016: Politics
20something: abandonment of secondary, personal
2020: I am going to give my personal problems an academic gloss please watch my vlog haha this is important because it's happening online to me haha look a Spinoza quote this is theory I promise
Breadtube is such trash I'm gonna go read
@@cool_sword bad take
Historical Music and Anthems-Remastered!
Ooh! A very spicy bad take to boot! Let's see if it pays off...
Back in 2015, I had a fairly popular blog. I wrote stupid porn scenarios and poetry and for SOME god awful reason this caused teens to reach out to me about their problems. And the issue was that I cared. I cared a LOT about protecting these kids. If anyone came to me in crisis, I would give them steps to make a burner skype account and try to help - sometimes this involved teaching them how to find local health resources, work through scary social issues, or just talk about whatever they wanted until 6am and they safely got through the night - then I'd immediately head out to work at my shitty cafe job directly afterwards.
I like to think I saved a lot of kids. I can't count how many times one of these kids would reach out later and say something like "it's been six months since we talked. I'm still here." Or "things DID get better. I almost didn't get to see it."
I only ever "lost" one kid. She was a stranger from scottland who reached out to me on my personal skype. She was the first kid to ask for a video call, and I obliged. The way she was typing made me nervous. She was already overdosed and dying in front of me. I stayed calm and talked with her while my boyfriend furiously researched in the background how we contact poison control in Scotland - hell, how we could even send help to the right place. She didn't cooperate. She was committed. The last thing she said was "I'm glad I don't have to die alone. I'm glad you were nice." It damn-near broke me.
So now, DRAMA.
This one lady (she was twenty six, I was twenty one. Idk) was pretty vocal about her disdain for my "self-righteous goody-two-shoes fakeness" or whatever. She heard from someone about my literal, current truama of watching a child die and then .. used it.
She started a rumor that I purposely talked that girl into committing suicide.
That rumor spread into this concept that I'd done this MANY times. People who I previously helped were now going "oh my god that could have been me I was one of the lucky ones"
Once the DOXing and death threats started, I deleted everything. Just went totally nuclear. Maybe that looks like an admission of guilt, but at the time I feared that maybe what I was doing was well and truly dangerous to these kids, and it was the only responsible thing to do.
Haven't really done anything online since.
Best decision of my life to delete my blog and all my social media, though. Massive detox I tell yeah
Ever hear the story of the girl and the starfish?
The right thing to do is often grueling, pointless, thankless, and endless, but hey, it still matters. A lot of people are better off because of what you did, and even if they want to vilify you and lie about you, you still did the right thing. They might condemn you, but the truth is between you and the universe, and words and hate can never stand between that relationship.
that's so messed up... you're a good person
that must have been really difficult to go through I'm so sorry it ended up that way :(
You are a lovely person
I’m really sorry you went through all that. I know I’m just a stranger, but I wish I could give you a hug lol
I’m glad it never escalated for you even beyond how bad it got (i.e. “you engage with teens at all in life whilst you also happen to be a grown adult that - gasp - talks about sex ever!11?? p3d0!!!”), bc that’s fully where I expected your story to go :[ too many ppl out there like that 26 y/o these days. Sometimes it’s warranted, but I’m finding increasingly (online and irl) that people just really want a “justified” human punching bag. I get reacting badly to genuinely shitty behaviour, but if it’s just a matter of not liking someone, ppl just need to learn to be an adult and block them.
It’s scary how similar cancelling is to bullying. I was bullied and ostracised a lot in school because I was on the spectrum (although no one knew at the time), and a lot of what you said in this video hit home to me. I’d be fairly well-liked, then I’d make a slip-up and immediately be seen as the enemy. I was then seen as an evil pyschopath, and any attempt at apology, niceness or learning whatever social rule I’d broken got twisted into evidence of my manipulativeness. It’s a viscious cycle, that in my earnest attempts to rectify whatever wrongdoings I had supposedly done ended with my mental health being so badly damaged I became the sterotypical “I’m sorry you probably hate me” suicidal person - i.e the poster child for “evil manipulative people”.
Nobody wins. All I ever wanted was someone to take me aside and gently explain where I went wrong.
This hit painfully hard
I am also a neuroatypical person, and I actually had to turn off this video the first time I watched it because I was, at the time, being bullied on a whole new level. What Natalie said spoke to me so much it brought back a flood of terrible words that had been said to me. I really related to when she talked about trying to explain yourself only for it to escalate further. When you are bullied (or cancelled), nobody is going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Even your most innocuous statement will be vilified.
I'm glad I am in a stronger place and could finish the video. It was quite therapeutic to know even people I admire go through it. I hope you are also doing better, and I know what it's like to be bullied and not capable of "reading the room", but it's important to remember that the people who bullied you weren't criticizing you because they had no concern for your well-being, and they didn't want to help you. They wanted to hurt you, so try not to let the things they said or did destroy you going forward.
So correct. Hope you're in a better social circle now.
Ugh, yes. I’ve had this happen in romantic relationships a lot. I’m lately starting to understand that I’m probably undiagnosed autistic and honestly a lot of things makes so much sense now. Every time I dated a woman and expressed any sort of frustration, displeasure or hurt by something she said or did or even if I just voiced my insecurities and fears, it was always seen as me being manipulative. My genuine feelings and behaviours were always twisted into “Oh you’re trying to make me feel bad.” which quickly escalated into “You’re a manipulator.” and I never understood where it was coming from and for several years I even believed that I’m manipulative, because surely I have to be - basically all women I’ve been with said so.
I believe it boils down to:
Rationalizing abuse. In ancient Greece people used to be put on a desert Island if they broke the rules.
In group - mentality and group think can def become toxic.
“No one thinks I’m cute”
You’re allowed to be wrong, queen.
Truth 💜
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correction - "drag queen"
@@itsMe_TheHerpes no?
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I can't believe Natalie just canceled cancel culture, truly transconic
So does that mean we should cancel her for engaging in cancel culture?
@@Oriontrollsftw2 ow
Such metatransness
@PrettyNeckslashes Wow apparently it takes rocket science (I'm assuming that's not your specialty) to understand *simple wordplay.*
Transcendence achieved
I know this is 2 yrs old so you prob will never see it, but I'm a bit drunk so I'll say your "transtrenders" video genuinely helped me break out of some very bad mindsets i had about trans people. I was going through my "problematic internalized homophobia" phase (I wasn't fully out to everyone yet). I'd had some bad influences and tried to separate myself from queer culture as a part of some weird defense mechanism, and that video helped me work through those ideas and see why i was being hurtful and I'm thankful for that experience.
I’m just watching it now 😊
same here :)
that video finally lifted whatever bs barriers I had in my mind and made me realise that I really am (gender)queer, that it’s valid to be so. I started crying. Baltimore stared into my soul and called me out for not being able to be as sed-assured in their identity as them. I’m genuinely at a loss as to why people see it as enbyphobic when I’m far from the only one w this exact story. It finally armed me with the arguments to stand up for myself and people like me, stuff I knew emotionally but I could never articulate as well as the script. Smh
I relate to this a lot , thanks for sharing your journey/exprience
Her videos 100% helped me understand Trans people so much more, and helped me remove all of the stigmas and stereotypes from my head. When my ex partner came out to me as trans, I immediately directed them to Contrapoints and it helped them immensely. Natalie is a national treasure.
I can’t believe I used to be friends with people who were actually like this in real life. Someone literally called me an “abuse apologist” for saying that a 16 year old having normal conversations with a 12 year old isn’t grooming.
As someone who had both older and younger friends in my teens, with similar age gaps and such, that’s utterly fucked up.
@@GuiSmith yeah they ended up pressuring two 12 year olds into fully making false accusations and then made me clean up after them.
@@cthulhucult3230BRB never talking to my 13-year old sister ever again coz I'm 19.
I’ve been called a rape apologist because when my friend made a joke about liking Prince Andrew I told people to stop harassing my friend. I’ve also been called a neo-nazi because I listen to Kanye West
@@cthulhucult3230 that’s ACTUAL abuse what the hell 😢I’m glad you’re not they’re friend anymore either
I hate this. I want Contrapoints to explain to me what socrates thinks about top surgery or whatever but y'all broke her. Look at her. She's not even wearing a cut crease. How am I supposed to understand philosophy when I can see her natural eyelids. Ruined a perfectly good philosopher is what y'all did.
“what Socrates thinks about top surgery” - at this point, Contrapoints should be cancelled simply for not having already making a video about that, or at the very least, what Kant would say about HRT
My exact thoughts lmao
RT
This is my favourite comment on this video. You win 5 stars *****
"Look at her. She's not even wearing a cut crease"
😭💀
I don't have a Twitter account, so everytime I go on it says "Join the fun". It doesn't look like fun over there.
I'm pretty sure Sen. Joe McCarthy never recruited anyone into the anti-Communist witch hunt frenzy by saying, "Join the fun." Twitter: Worse than the Red Scare!
Same
It’s literally awful lol.
I read that line like those creepy propaganda lines in dystopian movies, you know? Like, a citizen of Oceania boots up their computer and it greets them with this haunting "Join the fun, citizen!"
social media is anti social
As a “generation Jones” boomer, I had to deal with 2nd wave feminism. I joined a feminist art group, because I felt I belonged, until I heard them trashing their mothers for working as secretaries. This was in the late 70s, and women still didn;’t have much of a choice career-wise. I finally realized that feminism as it was at that time benefitted primarily middle to upper class white women. I stood up to them and their cluelessness, and was shunned by most. As an artist, it did affect the support I received from the feminist art community. The difference was that I was trashed in the analog world. But I think it consistently affects my ability to exhibit, when I call out the TERFs in the art community. Oh fucking well
I've watched this a few times and it's so bizarre that these are Natalie's 'gotcha-secret-terrible-person' tweets. Like maybe they're tonally blunt or not worded with the care of someone defusing a bomb, but to find anything problematic in pretty much all of them you have to apply the most unhinged bad faith interpretations possible.
No one excels at unhinged, bad faith arguments like the chronically online. Especially twitter
That's how I landed on this video too, a few years back. I kept seeing people only on queer subreddits use "contrapoints" disparagingly, usually to many downvotes. I got curious and searched. Found this video and became a fan!
I think this is another case of people needing to work in customer service for a year cus their standards will PLUMMET on what a bad person is.
@@minni_sung9437 honestly I think some of these people just need to live in the midwest. or even just visit for a week or two. like sometimes i see something people online get mad at and remember that i grew up in a small town in indiana where someone like buck angel is your only option for a public trans community. like sorry man some of us didn't grow up in Super Leftist Land. my mom is literally a nonbinary feminist and i'm sure you could find messages from me that look worse than these.
@@celisewillishonestly I think so many of us found Natalie that way. I had a friend who went down the TERF route when she was having a really serious mental breakdown and her horrifically abusive ex became friends with a trans woman. (Not an excuse but unfortunately a lot of really shitty ideologies seek out people who are super vulnerable and suck them in, like a cult.) This was years ago and I was trying to learn more, saw some terfs disparaging Natalie, and some leftists criticising her. I watched her videos and just fell in love with her channel. I’m no longer friends with that person because she decided that me not being a terf wasn’t something she could deal with but I stayed a huge contrapoints fan.
She opened the bottle using the lesbian solution. Foreshadowing
Eeeeeeeyy
Brooooo, how
SHAME
Shame
Social Media and Reality are two different things. Facts
Broke: selling bath water
Woke: selling the bathtub
*Giving away* bathtub
@@miamazingness is that some good ass praxis i smell?
I wonder if Grover Cleveland did that
Bespoke: selling the bathtub full of bath water
You’ve got that backwards
"contrapoints more like disappoints" kills me every time.
As a non-binary person, I am grateful for your content.
Alternate title: Twitter Was A Mistake | ContraPoints
Why i dont have a twitter
All of the internet has been increasingly becoming a mistake over the past 20 years. Baffling really.
Johan Järvinen funny because it was mistake from the beginning
It's nothing but gossip, no message is enhanced by being forcibly shortened.
Anyone who thought any good ideas could be spread in an environment where millions of people can only talk to each other with only 140 characters has never had a good idea.
We treat minor transgressions from our allies more harshly than open hostility from our enemies. We have to do and be better about this.
Because we know who are enemies are and to oppose them. Betrayal requires more vigorous response to protect our community
Amen. Whenever I see in-fighting like this, it leaves me feeling cold and sick. Trump got 63 mil votes and is the president, for fucks sake. Trans people and their active allies are in reality a depressingly small minority. We have such a huge fight ahead of us just to live in a society that even begrudgingly accepts us, but instead of organizing and marshaling the troops, we're mutinying, cannibalizing, and excommunicating each other? It crushes that thing with feather that perches in my soul to a bloody little pulp.
@@DobrieNIN You actually sound like an Ordo Hereticus agent, and I don't mean that in a cool way.
It’s called splitting. It’s supremely toxic and abusive to the self and to those that love you.
-- There's an old joke that goes, 'When the Left want to form a firing squad, they stand in a circle.' It's not a joke, however, in that it gives our serious enemies yet another tool to use against us.
I am not even a content creator, but I am beginning to wonder if the social anxiety I experience, actually relates to seeing people getting canceled like this. I am doing the essentialism thing to myself - if I make a mistake I have come to believe that I am a flawed and bad person because of it. Because that is how I see other people react on mistakes made by celebrities. I think it is important that we reconsider what effect cancelling has on the psyche of ordinary people as well, and that doesn't mean that we should stop holding anyone accountable, but perhaps we need to figure out a better and healthier way, not just for celebrities sake but for our own sake as well.
The way people behave,the way it can happen to anyone, almost regardless of intent definitely effects the way that I move. There has been the creation of a panopticon and literally no one is safe from it. We're policing one another and anyone can be deemed terminally guilty. I realized this when I saw someone dogpiling a person who was a passenger in an uber.The uber driver made a video about something that the passenger was talking about on the phone in their car. This conversation wasn't in the video. The driver was hearing a one sided conversation and the video was just their version of the conversation as they heard it with a photo of the passenger. Soon enough they had found this passenger and were trying to get them fired. For a second hand version of a one sided conversation (which wasnt even that descriptive or damning).At that point I had to really step back and think 'if I decide to be apart of this,it is only a matter of time before its me'
Real, I've never had social anxiety or a large internet following and ive had actual NIGHTMARES about being cancelled which usually end in me committing suicide in the dream. Genuinely such a terrifying modern phenomenon.
@@CatHelicopterI've been having the same problem, except not as nightmares. Just thought spirals every day about every little mistake I've made and what would happen if I got canceled over it and how every single one would end with me totally isolating, losing any semblance of a normal life, or unaliving myself.
Between this and Lindsay Ellis' video it seems super hard to be female online while also being on the forefront of Twitter. Love this channel!
How to trick straight men into thinking theyre gay? Meth and tigers
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@Special Agent Krycek It's a reference to Tiger King fucko.
@Special Agent Krycek Christ, don't you have anything better to do than post homophobic cringe on youtube comment sections? Actually don't bother answering that, i'm muting you.
@Special Agent Krycek it was a tiger king reference and you are an idiot
@Special Agent Krycek lmao dumbass its a reference
Was it FDR who said, "The only thing we should Cancel, is Canceling itself, gorge!"
yes, I do believe that it was
you forgot the end of the quote "Hey how are you?"
Honestly the fact that people immediately heard about an openly gay person doing something wrong and immediately labeled him as a sexual predator is pretty fucking gross, especially when there was no evidence provided from the accuser, who made it blatantly obvious that they had something to gain from sullying his name
That is actually a very apt and interesting point. It reminds me of the culture in the 50s where people did not did recognize a distinction between p*dos and gay men.
As someone with a history of mental health and Scde struggles it both baffled and frightens me that anyone could see canceling behavior and not see s**c*de as the natural end result. That has always terrified me
I think about this constantly. Like do any of them ever realize how much damage they're doing? I am amazed this isn't brought up more, but I imagine those types of people really wouldn't want to acknowledge just how evil they're actually being.
What's SCDE? I searched it and only got Supercritical Carbon Dioxide Extraction.
Edit: WAIT SORRY I understand what scde means now 😐
@@anneo8393 I try not to think too less of them. Most of them are probably just angry teens.
@@avivastudios2311True. I shouldn't be quite so negative towards them as people about it. Still, I hope it is eventually rejected as a dangerous and damaging practice
Side note: I don't think I've ever seen someone look so glamorous drinking a 40 in a pile of garbage.
cuz she's white? ok
@@chownful ???
Good point!
@emotional It doesn't have to be stated when it's the accepted societal norm.
root You’re the reason the right was able to brainwash a whole generation. Piss off
This is honestly the most rewarding parasocial relationship I have ever been in
could not agree more hahaha
SAME! XD
I have never cheersed/chugged my drink in a parasocial relationship until the end of this video
Oh, amen to that!
This
four years later and this video still brings me so much... comfort? relief? validation? i've been cancelled (albeit on a much smaller scale) myself a few times, and one of them resulted in a suicide attempt. but natalie lists out exactly what i experienced and breaks it down in a way that brings me to tears. like, YES! that's it, that's what it is! i'm very grateful that, even in her own pain, natalie created this analysis of this phenomenon.
thank you. my friend laura was the victim of a bullying campaign and killed herself. it really opened my eyes on the messed up things that can happen in big facebook groups, etc.
“I intend to live as long as possible out of pure spite” now THERE’S a 2020 mood
I'm doing that too! But to spite myself.
Haha I loved that
She literally is a lifesaver...
Like honestly spite is the only thing that gets me out of bed in the morning- well, that and the urge to pee
fuckin RIGHT
I have to say that "Tati Westbrook" sounds pretty much like one of ContraPoints alter ego characters.
Jackinbox9 definitely 😂
And now they are trying to cancel Bernie Sanders for being semi-endorsed by Joe Rogan...
Tiffany tumbles who? Fritz who?
a hoarder that collects tat
Bratty Breastbrook
I'm nonbinary and you HELPED ME GET HERE!!!
I was so worried like "What if I transition to nonbinary and then REALISE I'M ACTUALLY BINARY TRANS"
Total, TOTAL disaster, I told everyone the wrong pronouns, I dressed the wrong way, I made a total fool of myself!!! Travesty.
And then I watched a video by TheHealthyGamerGG in which you told Dr K about your transition process of thinking you were nonbinary on the way to realising you are a woman. And this totally fucking calmed me down. You helped me realise that I could just... change things later if I did them wrong. There's no pressure. My trans journey is mine and it's nobody else's fucking business. And stubborn cis people may hate on me for it. And stubborn trans people may also say that I "think that nonbinary is just a phase on the way to becoming binary trans!!!"
But I'll know otherwise. I can deal with the hate. I don't owe any of those people anything.
And in turn, that idea led to me realising that I don't owe anyone androgyny either, or femininity, or using the "correct pronouns", even that the only type of "correctness" associated with pronouns is whether they help expressing oneself in the way one wishes to express oneself.
In other words, Natalie, coming across your content for the first time was pivotal in my questioning and helped lead me to being the bad bitch nonbinary they/she SJW I am today! (I don't do a lot of activism yet and I am definitely not a bad bitch - I am working on both of these tho lol, also on becoming one of Ryan's transgender furry anarchist friends in antifa ;3)
And in the year since then that I have been slowly eating my way through your past videos, I have never felt like you hold any judgement or contempt against nonbinary people. I have always felt accepted and understood. I love you ContraPoints. Seriously. These people should actually watch your videos before making snap judgements about you.
I hope you are living your best life as your most authentic self 💕 finding ourselves takes time, take pride in your journey ❤
@@abbyroselew9971 Thank you, I am and I will nwn
I have to say, being nonbinary and having basically no gendered expectations (except maybe androgyny but who cares???). Is so liberating.
Really does feel like I can unabashedly express myself however feels right for the first time. And that feels very gender~
I think you're a bad bitch for bein outspoken abt your journey!
As far as I'm concerned this is a Christmas movie.
Watching this on Christmas Eve lol
Jeffree Starr calling James Charles a ‘danger to society’ was the funniest moment of 2019 without a doubt
I loOoOove how Jefferee Star accused James Charles of CRIME, then acted like a hero for "refusing to continue the drama by showing receipts," as though crime is just drama? And then he and Shane Dawson went on to use clickbait regarding the James Charles Cancellation to get people to watch a 2 hour makeup ad? And that shit sold out?
Shane Dawson is friends with Blaire White by the way.
@@FrickenDweeb I understand where you are coming from but it's a little like what Natalie is talking about in the video, cancellation by association, we can't assume what another person thinks because of their connection with someone
@@annacibiniak2268 It is like the video, but it's not just 1 association.
@@stealthis I understand, my initial reaction to him being friends with Blaire white would be "oh no" but this video has taught me that relationships are often more nuanced and you can have criticisms with a person but still like them for who they are, maybe Shane hasn't been friends with her for a while, maybe he is friends with her without supporting her views? We don't fully understand and I don't think we need to lash out immediately because that's what people did to Natalie and look at the pain it caused her
Minty Genius the video they did together is very genuine, she talks about being raped/her dads death, it’s really emotional and has nothing to do with politics
2019 Twitter really is 2014 tumblr huh 🤢🤮
😁
It's all 4Chan. The plague got out, it's everywhere now. A Pandorian tempest of dank memes and neck beards.
Bruh
It's a cesspit
oh honey, if you think this bullshit doesn't still happen on tumblr, either you don't go on tumblr or you were smart and started unfollowing accounts that were needlessly dramatic all the god damn time.
How dare they cancel my biological mother. I. Am. Outraged.
If you try to ruin someone because they have a minor philosophical difference with you, it's a pretty good indication that you aren't a good person.
@@laiswith2dots I'm not sure what you are referring to but was talking more generally about Cancel Culture. I do believe we should try to bring as many people into the fold of civil society as possible.
@@laiswith2dots The persons to define "safely" "as possible" The "Limits" are certainly not the mentally deranged twitter addict with a "Steven Universe" kind of profile pic. Infact they would be with the alt-right, toward the bottom of pertinence list.
I’m non-binary and I was a $25 a month donor.
I want you to know I didn’t stop because of anything you said, but because I was and am broke AF.
❤️
well that was transphobic...
the jdlt wait why??
A few months ago I stopped supporting several people (mostly the ones who had larger followings, including Nat, seriously considering going back now), and explaining that "No, really, you're amazing and I don't hate you, I'm just broke" is so painful.
idontwannabealoneanymore it’s a joke
Lost they’re joking
I publicly associate myself with Contrapoints.
First of all; how dare you
Second; same
Same, and I’m not ashamed
I bought and am currently wearing her merch so...
i’m a pretty new fan so obviously experiencing/learning about all of this years after it actually happened lol, but i love how natalie handles topics, even ones as close and personal as this, with so much nuance (and humour).
this really helped me see “cancel culture” in a more complex light, as someone who’s always been very “cancel culture doesn’t exist it’s just the concequences for your actions sweaty🙄”
you have done more to educate the cis community about trans and gender issues than any single person I can think of.
"can't uncancel myself, i must cancel the act of cancelling itself" you're a genius natalie
Natalie doesn’t sell bathwater: she gives away the whole goddamn tub
Oh THAT was the joke? Ngl it was pretty fucking hilarious before i got it too
;
Damn dope
Oh so that is what it is called...
Our bath water
I’m coming here in 2024 as I watch through your videos in reverse order after first meeting you in the triumph that is your Twilight video. It’s so strange to listen to things that were released right before the pandemic. However hard a time you were having before I’m sure Covid didn’t help. I just wanted to say that this video and all of your videos are exceptional, and they have all delighted and informed me even when (as with this one) the subject matter has been heavy. I’m so glad you made it through. Come to think of it I’m glad I made it through too.
Here’s to living on, through sheer spite if necessary. Cheers. I am eager to see what you do next.
As a half-dane, I condone you being bigoted against us. We're the worst.
B-but the legos and bicycle cities
Rødgrød med fløde
Me after seeing the title and the length of this video: oh shit, we’re going there. Buckle up kiddies
Hahaha you said buck. Cancelled
"Oh yeah, no way this is going to cause yet another overinflated shitstorm!"
Gonzalo Cabrejas Moya You said he who shall not be named as well. Cancelled!
what the hell? shaun released their longest video, now contra? oh yes!
Just saw that too. Better get comfy kids.
The next time you get cancelled & you’re feeling low, just remember-
For every person at your digital door with a pitchfork, there are 10 people who don’t have Twitter or tumblr and don’t participate in the mob mentality, but they eagerly count the days until you gift us with your next work of art.
Your videos sincerely bring me joy.
Thank you for making them!
i'd say 200, not 10!
Yes. I share Natalie with all of my friends because she talks about hard shit everyone can learn about. There are so many of us who support you Natalie, love you♥️♥️
That's true! I felt so bad for you because that entire time I knew that your comments were being taken out of context and given the most bad faith interpretations. I kept thinking to myself "Wow, why we do we cancel people who go out of their way to think thoughtfully, and talk about activism over relatively small mistakes? Meanwhile there are content creators who do not participate in progressive spaces and get a free pass for doing/saying things that are demonstratively worse, or actively promote bigotry." To me it seemed like cancel culture is on some level holding marginalized communities to a higher moral standard than it does for those with more privilege.
I am one of those people. You are spot on, good point.
26 year old boomer here.
Can't figure out how twitter works, so second this comment.
I've rewatched this a few times and every single time, when we get to reading out the Natalie hate-tweets I can feel my blood begin to boil at the arrogance of people saying these things on behalf of all non-binary people. Like, screw you, you don't speak for me. Don't put your words in my mouth. Stick to yourself. "Every cis & not-nonbinary person who thought Natalie Wynn wasn't transmed now owes me & every nonbinary person $50." Keep your money.
This video has aged extremely well. Fuck the haters Natalie. You’re the most creative, thoughtful (and yes, hilarious) content creator I’ve ever subscribed to, and I hope you keep going forever.
Twitter: you are dead to us!
Contrapoints: news of my death has been greatly exaggerated
sometimes i can still hear her call us gorge
The name python java hurts my soul
Contra: I got better
HiopX I spit my whole coffee out reading your comment
scholars remain divided
Natalie drinking a 40 in a bathtub is VERY 2020 in hindsight
2020 in hindsight is such a lovely phrase.
@@marinaradcliff3376 You guys are all so fucking cool. I wanna be friends with all of you
@@marinaradcliff3376 I know right. It implied 2020 is over. And that sounds nice.
so ahead of her time
769 likes
Non-binary checking in from 2024 - I honestly avoided your content for awhile after this all went down. I hadn’t seen anything of yours before and it’s not that I believe everything on the internet, on the contrary - I just tend to avoid things that elicits that sort of drama.
When I did come across your TH-cam, I think I *vaguely* remembered that something happened but couldn’t even tell you what it was. Google doesn’t even turn up much anymore. I went in with a little skepticism just to make sure we were on the same wavelength as far as values and didn’t see a single thing of concern. I actually really love your perspectives on things, and think you hit the nail on the head with this vid 🙂
🎉
I came here to admit that I, too have tried to trick straight men into thinking they’re gay. And I’d do it again.
the REAL gay agenda :P
next time on contrapoints: Natalie appologizes to Denmark after a month of angry tweets in a language nobody understands.
Vi er sårede, nedslåede og uforstående
håle gøl mandelhørm detersker ællesild
Hei sier du at vi nordmenn ikke forstår dansk? Hva har du å si for deg selv!!?!
Hun bliver for alvor "canceled" denne gang. Lad os fylde hendes Twitter-side med billeder af dannebrog, stegt flæsk og wienerbrød.
Förlåt men Sverige är bäst
Its super frustrating that there are people on Twitter already commenting how they refuse to watch this video in its entirety.
Don't mind them. They are only exposing themselves as the true intransigents they claim Natalie to be.
Why should be required to watch almost two hours of someone literally trippling down?
@@FataliTensei my guy i hope you find it in your heart to listen to what someone else has to say before passing judgement. i know you can do it.
@@FataliTensei they are not required to, but anyone who says they are informed enough to continue posting tweet after tweet about this issue for weeks even if they haven't watched this video on its entirety, is fucking lying.
FataliTensei 1:37:01
Bit late to the party here, but I've just watched your video, and holy crap, I am 100% with you on this. I am not trans myself, but I know for a fact, based on what I have heard from MANY trans people I've either known personally, or watched on TH-cam, that once they have finished the transition process, or actually, even before that, most trans people just want to live their lives and get on with things. They don't want to constantly talk about being trans, they don't want gender brought up at every opportunity by people, they just want to live lol. They're like, "I'm a man/woman, people accept me as such, and that's that. Being trans does not define my entire being". So I absolutely know where you were coming from, when you were upset at the need for pronoun circles potentially leading to you being misgendered
Hey, Contrapoints! I know this video has its years but I want to tell you thank you, thank you a lot for making a video about this issue.
I was cancelled by a small online community that I kinda used as a support to get on with things in my life. It was a really scarring experience, and while I know that my understanding of today's world issues was a little insensitive at the time, I felt the punishment for my actions was way too harsh.
I feel validated, respected and learned a lot by watching this video after spending years on a limbo reflecting over everything. You have helped in my healing journey. You are a gem!
Can we start calling this the “ContraPoints Christmas Special?” Like time to start a new holiday tradition
I was just thinking this!!! I am totally on board with this plan
Yes
Awww, and the Christmas Special is even brought by a magical holiday Twink. ;-)
Guys....bring out the eggnog
This needs more upvotes.
Natalie has thus proved she has more integrity, wisdom and courage than her detractors could hope for.
@Anti-Federalist 1776 silence terf
Hearding Abigail's deadname, and you refer to her as cis hit me like a truck in this. The beauty of time ✨
Thank you for your incredible nuance as always, great video
”The point is that sometimes people who seem ignorant or hateful just need to be given a non-judgmental space to learn and grow and think.”
Given that space, I would've left the Nazi outfit I was a part of for years much sooner. Thank you for pointing this out. This means a lot. You have a cool channel and I dig it!
I think this applies even outside of ignorance or hate. People need that space to heal and grow from anything, and feeling ostracized will keep them in their bad habits
As an 18-year-old boomer, I appreciate Natalie explaining internet culture to me.
Mathilda Vere that’s a delightful turn of phrase. Enjoyed! Thnx
Ok
This is epic
X2 I don't even have Twitter and I was like what?😂
Mathilda Vere my brother’s an 18yo boomer!
This comment validated me so much.
Turns out drinking liquor straight from the bottle WAS the 2020 vibe
Yeah... only 2020 though. I have moved on from that... *swig*.
@@ryanotte6737 You're right definitely more of a purple drank kind of year.
I mean its malt liquor. Its beer basically. Thats how you drink a 40 oz of beer. Bringthing this up brought me no joy
@@grabbon yeah. More s*x and violence next time
@@ryanotte6737 Yeah, I moved from drinking directly from the bottle to injecting in my blood stream.
A person who works hard to do good & unintentionally made a mistake & then refuses to hurt someone else the way she's been hurt is so much different than someone actively agreeing with or endorsing someone else's wrongs.
Drinking a 40 while surrounded by trash,and old McDonald's I found my new favorite influencer
There's a video where she jokes that she only makes content on TH-cam because she enjoys lighting and set design, and, watching this video, I believe it. It's fun what she does.
The most ironic thing about that ‘line in the sand’ tweet is that a line in the sand IS A MEANINGLESS AND EASILY COMPROMISED DIVISION
Aaris Howton, love that, gorge
I don't know where the phrase ultimately came from, but I suppose one interpretation is that precisely because such a line is easily broken, it matters all the more (the abstract line, this is, not the one that commenter was drawing in their tweet!). It's also then not meaningless, but a line whose meaning almost entirely consists in its being conventionally upheld and subscribed to. And that's sort of the point with a a firm stance, right? It's hard to take a firm stance because it's easier to be unprincipled for various reasons.
Aaris Howton 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Sand is notoriously easy to manipulate
"Not really my 2020 vibe"
What could possibly be MORE 2020 than binging alone on alcohol, surrounded by piles of garbage?
underrated comment
We were all so innocent then
Bingeing on the garbage AND alcohol
@@mattl1962 Nevermind that, let the garbage ferment on its own so you have even MORE alcohol.
Nat was just seeing the future again.
jesus the reading of all those hate tweets made me feel awful secondhand. people are so repulsively vitriolic over literally nothing while actual horrible shit with horrible intent goes on
Contra: gives a great explanation and defense of her unjust cancelation and being a mature person
Lily Orchard: what a pity part
I know this comment is a year old but damn. Of course Lily Orchard would respond to any level of nuanced emotional vulnerability that way 🤦
@@Vooblebooble Whilst totally believing her own blunt-force toxic bullcrap behavior (that . . . fanfic) should be ignored. "Rules for thee' and all that jazz, but again, what would any of us expect from someone who goes after children's cartoons the way Anton Chirugh went after his victims in No Country for Old Men?
"if I was a persuasive genius, maybe I could talk myself out of being cancelled" - natalie, talking herself out of being cancelled
CONTRAception
@@RoselineJerryA Amazin! XD
God, it’s like the whole internet’s a high school, and we’re all 16 again.
And, really, who needs that...?
if by the internet being high school you mean, "if you're popular enough you face almost no actual consequences for your actions and still have plenty of people supporting you", then yeah sure lmao
It's interesting that you mention it and that age wasn't mentioned in the video. Because teens are the main demographic for most popular sites. I bet a huge number of cancel culture people are actually just 14 year olds who think they've got life figured out. It's definitely a very immature mindset, so it makes a lot of sense.
@@heathercameron1485 On the other hand, I learned that maybe I don't have everything in life figured out when I was, like, two. Maybe twitter is actually just filled with whiny babies that poop in their diapers.
Most of these people really are 16 year olds in high school
Sometimes I'm genuinely shook by how much Contrapoints has influenced my thinking and writing. I just shot a video today about bullying and some strategies I have to work your way out of a bad situation, and this video, while certainly not THE inspiration, did place a few essential threads that show up in my work. Thank you, Contra, for all that you do and all that you so generously share with us.
So happy to have found you! I welcome this discussion so much from marginalised people. As a black woman, I often find the things I’m being told to be offended and angry about by my own community online don’t always sit right but most of the voices calling out the extremism in a lot of online righteousness are right wing white men who have an agender verrrry far from just getting to the truth of a situation. This video is amazing and thank you for explaining the makeup TH-camrs to my ageing ass 🤣
Fellow black girl here, I feel much the same way about certain topics surrounding the black community. Sometimes it can feel like you’re the asshole when everyone else is mad at a certain thing but you just can’t bring yourself to care!
Oftentimes it helps to just step outside and talk to people in person rather than online (remember, the internet outrage machine is making profit for someone else). I always have to remind myself to just take a step back and breathe. ❤
Great summary of the current state of things. It's incredibly hard to call out wrongdoing in leftist/liberal groups without being accused of sympathizing with the other side.
When people self identify as centrists online I tend to find it a bit whiney and out of touch, but at the same time I can understand why so many people feel like they can't be apart of any political group because anything but absolute purity of belief is unnacceptable in so many spaces right now.
@@KD-ou2np well, I'm incredibly left wing in my political beliefs, pretty socialist really. The issue for me is that some people on the left assume that just adopting a tick list of prescribed liberal OR left views (left and liberal are really not the same) means that they don't have to think deeply about things and actually personally understand why those views matter which can make them defensive and attacking when challenged on their views as they haven't actually formed them themselves by a process of critical thinking so can't have a conversation about them.
@@missmandango What an incredible and important point! Thank you for sharing, it seems to be a phase leftists seem to go through.
When I first was learning about leftism, I wanted to find the list of things leftists approve of, and adopt that without thought. I got defensive whenever someone didn't know or adopt the same values (didn't they know it wasn't *approved*??) It was only after reading a bunch of books by different left thinkers that I figured out what I actually value, instead of just repeating leftist platitudes (though I still do that for some things tbh lol)
“I honestly think that most of the James charles is a sexual predator crowd just wanted to bring him down a peg” cut to Shane Dawson saying James needed a slice of humble pie. The foreshadowing
Between that and the comments about the 2020 election, I think it’s safe to say natalie can see into the future
She also said that it was “organized from the top” lmaoo it literally was Jeffrey star got threatened and that’s why all of this happened
KE Clarke I think we all knew this. It’s just that most of us were too clouded to acknowledge it.
Now they cancel the cancelers
THE SIZE OF THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING
Natalie is the only person powerful enough to un-cancel herself. Watching Twitter desperately try to defend their bullshit after this video came out was so vindicating.
I’m not on Twitter. Can you give some examples please? (Unless it’s too complicated of an ask obviously)
@Mookayla I really only follow twitter because that's where artists I like are and I like following their art for it, plus some funny stuff. But one of these days I may seriously have to consider just like looking for the patreon or deviantart or whatever all the artists I really like and just follow their stuff there, I constantly get roped in to useless twitter bullshit and I swear I've grown 5 years older this year alone for that. I wish there was a good alternative for that stuff since Tumblr ruined everything.
@@BIadelores it is a weird new thing. God damn tool of tha devil I tell you :D
@@BIadelores and now Tumblrs just kind of chilling lol, how the tables turn
@Mookayla I only have facebook as it's useful for communicating (but not that active outside of chat). No twitter, no instagram.
The sad part is that Buck Angel keeps getting worse and worse about trans issues and non-binary people. He advocated against helping transgender children and made videos with people who equated that to child abuse. He also had some tweets accusing non-binary people of attacking him while himself being very dismissive about their identity. After that video I felt that he might not be as bad and that maybe he will learn, but no, he's actively getting worse. Of course Natalie could not have predicted that, but it's still sad.
Wrong for the right reasons I say
But the hate he kept receiving probably made it worse.. If someone is attacking a person for something they said by insulting their whole existence, the person is only going to get defensive and more stubborn in their opinion. So I think in a way twitter could have had a part in the fact that his opinions are getting worse, and even if it didn't make it worse it certainly had no positive effect.
She did predict it. The entire segment starting at 53:30 is just that
Your comment sent me to google and wow you wrote this 7 months ago and maybe Buck hasn’t gone off the deep end exactly but he is definitely very happily splashing around that side of the pool. And it is sad! I really don’t understand that generation of LGBTQ people like how do they have these opinions and not see how that is an attack on their community? God
I guess canceling doesn't really make someone reconsider their beliefs, huh? Who'd've thought...
Watching this in 2024 now that Buck has totally gone off the deep end
"Nobody thinks Im cute."
That´s a filthy lie and you know it.
Maximiliano Vazquez I think I’m bi but Natalie makes me think I’m pan ngl
She’s prettier than me.
@@treysmith1551 how does she make you pan?
@@ratfuk789 exactly, like is it because shes trans? trans women are still women, not freaks of nature
Nobody normal does
Rewatching this as a black woman, I find myself so disappointed in what the term cancelling has come to mean. I was so in support of this movement way back when we were calling for justice for the victims of Kelly and Cosby. Now all I see are Twitter mobs starting witch hunts.
I mean, yes and no. I'm not on Twitter, but I feel like the movement's initial potential still exists, especially on more, um, measured, platforms like TH-cam. There's no reason we can't use the powerful public platform of social media to continue calling out abuses of power.
@@willkersey7340 Unfortunately, now even this usage of cancel culture (the one Contra uses) is weird to me. Because right-wing politicians and comedians are even further coopting it to mean "criticism". It's possible that the term itself is too far gone to come back. Even the usage in this video might be out of fashion
EDIT: Well, you are right in that we can still "do" canceling, we can still have metoo moments etc. the term itself is what im talking about
Exactly... can we all start a counter cancel movement already? Whenever we see unnecessary cancelling attempts, we support the person whose being witch hunted.
"Now all I see are Twitter mobs starting witch hunts."
It was never anything else in spirit, only in target.
Oh well, that is the trap so many people in history have fallen for... That is why a lot of people warn against this. There is no "righteous lynching", there is no "reasonable mob", there is no "just ONE exception to due process". To do it once, for any reason at all, is to unleash a force, that noone can tame. It is only a matter of time, before it devours whoever unleashed it.
Its making a deal with the devil for a good cause...
There is no cause good enough to justify a deal with the devil...
I had a date like a month ago with a cute lil trans shawty, and 😢😂 she canceled the date because i said i liked contrapoints. ❤ girl just keep going you cool af
Dodged a bullet
LMAOOO 😭😭😭😭
i have so much respect for Contra and i'm extremely grateful for discovering her channel. her videos really help me consider and understand different perspectives that i previously wouldn't have even thought of or brushed aside out of the cruelty and hatred projected by some people and in general, make me want to be a more reasonable and empathetic person. so much love for her.
"Shoot drunk, edit sober."
-Ernest Hemi-uhh Natalie Wynn
Edit stoned*
“The snowflake doesn’t feel responsible for the avalanche” is such a fantastic quote in more ways than one
I love how measured all your arguments are. So refreshing in this day and age to hear someone capable of discussing opposing views without feeling the need to shout people down. You're a rare diamond in a rough internet. I love that you come from a background in philosophy and have a great understanding of psychology, sociology and other forces affecting how people think and behave. Thank you for creating your content
I was made aware of this video through my NONBINARY sibling while we were having a deep talk about Twitter and cancel culture and purity culture and essentialism and they literally brough up your video, said, "This is such a great, succinct way of looking at the Twitter Problem TM." and they also recommended me your channel in general, which I'm very glad they did. This video was entertaining and thought provoking and so, so much more articulate than I am about these issues. Thank you for making this, and I agree with you. (PS, you gained a new subscriber. It doesnt make up for all the unsubs, but I'm glad to be a part of the community you have curated as well as the trans community)
“But I don’t think it feels like abuse to the people who are doing it”.
If you find yourself confused about which side to take, just think about how hard Natalie is working to understand people who would never give her the same consideration. Beneath all the flash and glamour is a genuinely kind and thoughtful person who has time after time shown a saintly patience towards the wrong headed and misinformed and has demonstrated a stunning and humbling willingness to put herself in painful or vulnerable positions to help us all understand one another better.
We are, all of us richer for her being here.
She's doing a lot more for progress than people bitching on twitter.
@@noricoco4695 for real, i've learned more from natalie than all of the content ever posted on twitter combined by a long shot.
Beautifully put
So true. 💗
Well said, James!
It was really unnerving when someone in a friend group of mine started a statement with "I know we're not supposed to like contrapoints anymore...", like, you don't have to like someone because someone else told you you couldn't
I've said things like that ironically to engender conversation, I wouldn't say it seriously though.
@@Cal6009 You better not misgender the conversation tho that'll be a problem XD
Sounds like something out of Mean Girls.
Cult behavior, basically.
That’s surprising to literally no one. It’s obvious the people who watch this drivel don’t think for themselves.
I would like to cancel myself for not discovering your channel till now.
Understandable.
As one of the elders, I appreciate the details of the events happening outside my lawn.
(and I hope things got better, you and your content are amazing)