Addison Cain's lawyer e-mailed me, and it only got worse from there
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ม.ค. 2025
- Honey, you got a big storm comin'
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Update: EFF has blogged about the whole thing, and it includes the full letters exchanged between EFF and Cain's lawyer, Tamara Watson: www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/10/defending-fair-use-omegaverse
Update 2: Twitter thread with links to full letters from all parties involved + more documentation: twitter.com/thelindsayellis/status/1321183153172680708
Lindsay Ellis I have no knowledge of what you write but the vid was cool hope you can put the bs behind you good luck. May the Karens of 2020 get theirs in 2021🤬
Wow.
Make a fanfic about it
Reading through all this drama took a lot of my evening, but I'm not embarrassed to say I'm entertained 😂
Wow, that Watson letter is exhausting to read! I really wonder what goes on in their minds.
"Ms. Cain, that's not what a hate crime is."
"Well I hated it!"
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Ha!!
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💯
👏👏👏
Jenny Nicholson deserves some sort of award for her role as Addison Cain
The really outdid herself when reprising the role.
Queen of wolves and ponies.
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She is a perfect match.
The fact that she and Lindsey are friends makes her calling Lindsey "a menace" so much funnier.
Addison Cain: "Textbooks are public domain"
College students: *wait WHAT?*
Public domain is when you do things for the public and the more public it is for the more domains it is
Argumentative counter post
Nothing to say. I'm just driving engagement.
Yeah, I was pretty surprised to 'learn' that too.
I would say "man I wish" because I have friend who felt this pain, but my college had a rental program so my textbooks were free. Didn't help with regular books tho.
The fact that TH-cam, a platform normally notorious for saying "yes" to any DMCA take down request sent their way, actually said "nah" is really the most telling part of this entire story.
i will never not get hype at i don't fuck with you at that point
I'm absolutely convinced it's because she explicitly called Lindsay's work transformative, it's literally one of the grounds for fair use.
wdym notorious? They're under safe harbor protections, they have to accept them unless they know it's bs and it's not gonna come bite them in the ass
@@redwitch95 That's what I think as well. Addison Cain effectively argued a case as to why Lindsay's video was fair use in her DMCA takedown request. It's honestly beautiful to see someone torpedoing their own attempted abuse of the legal system so rapidly and so completely.
@@lorscarbonferrite6964 "Congratulations, you played yourself"
Shortly after liking this video, Addison Cane popped out of my bread-bin threatening to sue me.
Is THAT what the noise on my roof was??
Oh shit... I heard scratching noises in my wall a few minutes ago
I know, right? I guess that's what I get for leaving breadcrumbs on the carpet- you get Addison Cain everywhere!
Oh well. Guess you're screwed then. I suppose your Patreon will be getting DMCA takedown notices for stealing the Alpha - Beta - Omega dynamic in your relationship with Cyanide and his girlfriend. You might even be sued for copyright infringement.
Next she'll start sueing legitimately named Addison Canes.
"I didn't actually criticize her dumb book." Never change.
Double this lol.
Specially as the vampire marking tropes have been out for decades
hmm anyone fancy a fight?
Classic Lindsay.
Nannette Esquijarosa come catch these hands
Yes lol
Why does Addison remind of me that one meme that goes, "Not now, sweetie, Mommy's cyberbullying"
I laughed at this more than I should’ve
@@Sadin15 Same
I have never heard of this before now but I love it
I think you mean "shut up damn baby, mommy's cyberbullying"
does that make Lindsay the mayor? ...of youtube?
The increasingly unhinged way that Jenny says “To whom it may concern” brings me joy
No joke, I just thought I was getting more fed up with Addison Cain, I didn't realise till reading this the voice actually WAS getting crazier 😂
I also love the way Jenny switches to unhinged-sweet at the end of the letters.
Not that it even needs it but her voice acting really elevates the video
TH-cam denying a DMCA is like the devil looking at a murder and going "yeah that's a bit excessive ngl".
*slowly shuffles out of room*
What was THAT murder method?
Hey I don't like how you misrepresented the Devil in this comment!
Right?!?
Couldn’t describe it better
jenny does that "indignant middle class white woman picking a public fight with words she doesn't understand" voice so well
It's honestly a little scary
Talk about eye candy!
I call it “hysterical whiteness”
@@forbiddencave what
@@forbiddencave links?
It's really unfair how people steal her original characters, especially Bane.
Bravoooooooo
Brilliant
Yeah ikr
Honestly, I kind of wanted to hear more about the stolen witch. I was picturing Winifred Sanderson.
I don't have a Bane
"This is as much effort as your gonna get look-wise. This isn't Contrapoints"
"I haven't researched it that much because who do you think I am? Lindsay Ellis?"
ICONIC.
Queens sarcastically supporting Queens. You love to see it.
Haha, so; I came to this video directly from Lindsay's first overview of the situation and (putting aside the realisation after finding out from the comments that I'd just heard DAN OLSON masterfully play an alpha-dom in wolf porn, and the existential crisis that followed realising I was suddenly _way more interested_ in checking out folding ideas again 😶), the moment I realised it was contraptions doing one of the voice acting bits was a standout.
See, I recognised the voice immediately, but had blanked on the name and so started to doubt it was her. And without thinking, my instinctive response to check this was to say, out loud:
"Sweaty"
in the same voice. And that's the story of how I instantly became 100% certain it was contrapoints without remembering contrapoints was her name 😅
The best "Feud"™️ of all time 😂 supportive shade is the best (supportive shade or shady support?? Either way lol they're both awesome)
Truely great.
If you don't put the quote "I think Lindsay Ellis is a menace, a threat to my child" on the cover of your next book, I'm rioting.
I think we found the best comment folks!
A review quote; "a menace, a threat to my child" -Addison Cain
On the back cover where they usually put the rave reviews.
@@DewMan001 Posted 13 seconds apart. Great minds, man, great minds.
why wait? let's pre-riot. just in case.
_pulls out foldable pocket pitchfork_
Addison Cain: does something illegal
Everyone: that was illegal
Addison Cain: this is a conspiracy to ruin my life
Damn, she should be a conservative politician
President Addison Cain?
Sure she does bro
Commenting for the Algy, here is engagement
@@DeepDiveDevin Don't give her ideas! We already have too many of those dipshits!
It's amazing how many lawyers don't understand the Barbara Streisand effect or how the internet works.
going to fight you in the comments now
@@mercantile1803 FIGHT ME!!
they understand how they "billing hours" work.
@@bl00dhoney 💪🏻🤘🏻👵🏻
Ready for Gen Z lawyers
Addison Cain seems like that girl in high school who always claims to "hate drama" but is always the one starting all of the drama.
I bet she only hung out with boys, because girls were too much drama - Because they would get pissed when she boned their boyfriends...
Addison Cain is the “feminist” who tells teenage girls to cover up or they’re asking for it
All jokes aside its kinda scary how vindictive Addison Cain is. Like the levels she is willing to go through to destroy people's livelihoods. Had she targetted a much smaller youtuber, its possible she could have destroyed their career.
I was thinking the same thing. TH-cam really needs a better system that doesn't enable these nutcases
Agreed. Scary as hell. I don’t know for how much longer she’ll continue to do this if it’s costing her to go to court. I imagine she’s not only vindictive, but rich enough to keep doing it. :(
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She definitely ruined a few writers careers, or their initial careers. She's successfully monopolized a whole sub-genre so she's branching out from there.
Welp I guess this is what happened to like, all those ABO creators!
Cain: this is NOT fair use
a judge: how so
Cain: it's not fair to me
waaay funnier now that I have her voice from lindsay's video in my head forever
I think this is honestly how she interprets that phrase.
ahahahhaa i love this. so good XD
She's not that suicidal, definitely not digital...
When a spoiled kid grows up and a Karen is formed.
Addison writes like a My Little Pony Villan speaks. So Jenny is perfect for the part!
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I want Jenny the narrate all my audible books 😂💜
I HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO THAT PART YET BUT I DISAGREE! YOU'RE A DUNDERHEAD! JENNY NICHOLSON IS PERFECT FOR THAT PART.... wait, i'm agreeing with you, starting fights with you people is hard
engagement
I am fighting, don't know what I am fighting about but I am fighting
"the poster significantly transformed my original work... NOT FAIR USE"
uhhh... 👀
I laughed so hard at that! she walked into the truth and still somehow missed it
Bruh I was dying at this. Literally couldn’t control myself with the idiocy of the statement.
I did not walk into the truth, I was deliberate hit in the face by a large object that had "F A C T S" written upon it
That's the funniest part of all this, like it shows how deeply she doesn't know what she's even arguing about atp 😂
But but don't you understand? Addison Cain thought it was not fair.
The least threatening life form: Jenny Nicholson
The most threatening life form: Jenny Nicholson saying "To whom it may concern"
@@patrickrowan6001 you don’t mess with a girl who has a giant plush spider.
@@SorowFame let's hope she never combines her giant Porg with her giant Spider to make a giant flying orange spider
Wait till Jenny Nicholson starts asking for a manager.
@@patrickrowan6001 You know what, I'm not one to kinkshame. Live your truth brother
@@luisf2793 I ship it
Addison Cain: I have been victim of a hate crime.
Lindsay Ellis, lawyers, everyone else: That's not what a hate crime is.
Addison Cain: WELL I HATED IT.
Has Addison Cain's lawyer come after you yet?
Damn, I have the voice stuck now
@@SummitSummit once AC's legal team figures out OPs gender
I'm dying with the comment 😂😂😂
Hahahaha!
Cain: DMCA takedown!
TH-cam: Er... nope
Everyone:
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That can happen?
I’m imagining this as a Yu-Gi-Oh animation.
It wasent worded properly.
TH-cam take copyright seriously...
ehhh...not really
@@GrixieKong
Addison Cain attacks Lindsey Ellis directly
Lindsey Ellis activates Mirror Force
The most important takeaway? Someone needs to give Jenny her big break into mainstream voice acting.
legit, rarely have i ever been so pissed off to hear the voice of someone so based
Jenny wrote and voiced every character for My little pony friendship is witchcraft, which is iconic, she is literally already a LEGEND in voice work so...
@@arielsclamshellbraI mean yeah, but also that was a kinda niche production and Jenny later said that it was kinda cringe
I'd be down for her to voice videogames or something
@@arielsclamshellbraAnd I specifically wrote "mainstream" so... (New to reading?)
@@matthewlucas4990and he was just adding to the conversation for those who might not know so... New to the idea that the internet is public and replies might not specifically be about you?
CACKLING AT TH-cam’S “WE WILL *NOT* REMOVE” LMFAO SOMEONE IN TH-cam IS ALSO PISSED AT HER
I legit had the "Wait, it exists?" reaction :'')
IABAIWBSJ
I think it's more "We checked with legal and they collectively laughed their asses off."
@@SakuraNyan Pretty sure it just means that TH-cam knows they would win if they did end up going to court... It may not even get picked up by the court even.
To paraphrase Malcolm Reynolds: "Well who in the damn galaxy isn't?!"
I feel like Addison Cain’s autobiography will be titled ‘To Whom It May Concern’.
No doubt a spiritual sucessor to "A Pickle For The Knowing Ones" in terms of structure.
@KvAT Indeed, most indeededly.
If you're curious about the "author" a youtuber called Sam O' Nella has a funny video about Timothy Dexter.
I will dispute and say that it will be titled, "WITH PREJUDICE!!!1!1!!"
Don't touch Ao3 😡😡😠😤
That lowkey sounds like a good title for an autobiography
Is it bad that throughout this entire convoluted mess, the most unbelievable part to me is that TH-cam did its damn job for once?
That was the upset of the decade imo
Seriously tho! My jaw dropped when i saw they actually took her side 😂
Addison Cain is just That Wrong
Probably just a side effect of 2020 tbh
Right? Hahaha
I cried laughing at "this isn't fair use" followed shortly after with "the poster significantly transformed my work by mocking it."
Linsday: this is the best look you're gonna get, this isn't Contrapoints.
Contrapoints: I haven't researched this, who do you think I am, Lindsay Ellis?
FEUD
Abigail: No, this is THEEEEAATREEEE!!
damnnnn 😆
FEUD intensifies
WHICH ONE IS SUPPOSED TO BE THE RRSEARCH-HEAVY ONE!?!
Jenny deserves an award for her voice work on this 😂
Well she is a voice actress!
The role she was born to play
Oh god I used to watch you as a kid 😮😮😮 hope you're well ❤️
The distain in her voice makes me cackle!
I'm in love with Jenny's voice acting ever since hearing about her MLP stuff and checking it out. Why is she so damn talented? It takes so much practice to get this good
“Ms. Cain is a well known author” never heard of her til I saw Lindsay’s video 🤣
Obviously you don't read enough wolf erotica 🙄
Well known (in a highly specific and niche community)
@@helpme2719 Yeah.... But I have to say I will not read her books. Only her though. Thanks but no thanks, honey.....
Well known... but not for the actual quality of her work...
I love that she's probably more famous for abusing copyright law than she is for her books.
“I have been Courtney Milan’s favorite punching bag for YEARS” she said one thing on twitter about a lawsuit you were involved in because YOU asked her for her opinion
Typical Karen victim complex.
The only other time I can think of YT siding with creators like this was when Kaitlin Bennett tried to mass remove a bunch of videos of people criticizing her. But there’s just something so fun about someone at YT legal having to go through some Dick Wolf content
I really hate this comment for reminding me that Kaitlin Bennet Exists.
Classic poop pants
Hello
Per Lindsay's request I am picking a fight in the comments to drive engagement.
Everyone else is hitler. I am the only non-hitler here.
Omg, for real though 🤣😂🤣 my heart goes out to YT Legal 😔✌🏼
I don’t know who that is but that sounds awful
I just love how this whole Saga is just the epitome of “Gaslight, Gatekeep, Girlboss”
I said this in my head i swear 😭😭💀
Ah yes, the Holy Trinity.
I imagine that in their house instead of the “live laugh love” lol
That's so fucking funny pleaseeee
I wouldn't be surprised if Cain sells MLM on the side and bullies people into buying a combo of useless diet pills/shitty makeup and a shitty book.
“The poster significantly transformed my work” LMAOOOO
How DARE she make it entertaining instead of the bland, white bread vulgarity it was intended to be!
Oh yeah
I probably agree\ disagree!
"That person stole a twinkie from my place of business! They put money on the counter equal to the number underneath the twinkie on the shelf, put it in a plastic bag, and then walked out the door!"
Reading just excerpts from it, I wish a LOT of transformations had been done to it, jesus christ...
The fact that Cain sent a DMCA takedown notice to TH-cam, and YT corporate proceeded to tell Lindsay that they think it's bullshit and they're just going to ignore it, is the single biggest plot twist in anime history.
Occasionally TH-cam does do the right thing, like the proverbial broken clock that's still right twice a day. Still, got to give credit where credit is due.
I'm surprised she didn't sue LegalEagle. Oh wait, she only sues women.
🤭😬
I feel like. That one would go poorly.
I would give *every cent I have* I see that legal battle play out irl. And then make myself some popcorn.
Never gonna happen, he's a man and a woman with a personality like her probably thinks that men are too easy to manipulate.
I'd love to say Devin would swipe the floor with her lawsuit, but he's way too professional for that. A real law review would be far better.
Addison Cain is that one girl who bullied people in high school then claimed she was bullied.
Only one?
@@cam4636 re read that I was describing Addison Cain as one girl unless you think she has a mental problem and that's what you're hinting at.
That's pretty much every bully who bullied me.
i love your profile pic
She stole kids' lunch money and said "It's pretty cringe you don't have lunch money"
I revisited the Dear Stephenie Meyer video after watching this cause wow E.L. James did way worse to Meyer and she just took it on the chin while Cain is one step away from suing Yellowstone for having wolves.
Suing Yellowstone for having wolves is my favorite comment on this video XD
@@elizaearhart4533 That, and next she'll claim that she invented heterosexuality
And for having something erupt outside of one of her sex scenes.
@@bonniea8189 actually she invented woolves, both the ware- and the regular kind
Meyer may be racist, sexist, and giving some really terrible messages, but she's absolutely cool about critics, ripoffs, and people simply writing in the same genre.
I can't fathom how she could be like "this isn't fair use! She significantly transformed my work!" Like broski did you even read what fair use is
See its not fair use because she feels its unfair to use her work in a way she doesn't like.
"That's not a hate crime." "Well, I hated it."
She seems like the kind of person that would upload a full album of Taylor Swift songs on her TH-cam channel, put fair use in the description & then act all surprised when every video gets bopped by copyright
"But it's not *fair*!"
Legit hilarious, like is she trying to imply it *would* be fair use if they DIDN'T change it in anyway and just read it normally?
I'm going to be crushed if I ever actually hear Addison's voice. It can't possibly hold up to Jenny's voiceover.
She needs a movie, absolutly nailed it
Omg hahaha, I was just thinking about her actual voice.
At a certain point in the video I forgot that that's not what she actually sounds like
It's like when I first heard Jared Kushner speak. I was so used to having Gilbert Gottfried dub over him on Last Week Tonight with John Oliver
Here for the engagement!
Lindsay: [blurs Addison's child's face because the kid is innocent in all this garbage and she is a decent person]
Addison: MY CHILD WAS THREATENED. HER IDENTITY WAS MADE PUBLIC.
Not only that, but if I heard correctly, the photo was from her Gofundme page, unblurred, in the first place..not to mention all the referenced public postings...
The tweet she included WITH the statement proving Lindsey called her kid a "damn baby" was even all about blurring the kid's face in pictures so as to keep it's identity safe. She actually provided evidence AGAINST her claim to prove it.🤦♀️
Lindsay: [offhandedly refers to Addison's child as "dumb baby" while griping about said blurring and Addison's lack of caution with her public profiles]
Addison: HOW DARE YOU ATTACK MY CHILD THIS WAY
She just can't stop telling lies, can she?
Ah Addison, is she didn't look bad in the first video... now?
Never has "Executive producer: Dick Wolf" been more appropriate
Nor has his equally famous, equally meme-worthy co-producer on the same show this meme spun off of, "Co-Producer: Speed Weed".
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING!!! LOL!!!
More like Wolf Dick amirite?
You know, I'm on my 5th rewatch, and it just dawned on me that this video includes various examples of how much goodwill Lindsay has fostered with her business partners over the years.
"This is not fair use"
"She significantly altered my work"
Speech: 100
Yeah...this is fun!
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It’s like she’s trying to win a record for the amount of times she can get legal terms ass backwards and contradict herself in a single correspondence. At this point I don’t know if she’s just playing the ignorance of a 12 year old who doesn’t understand dick about copywrite law because she’s that stubborn on doubling down out of pure, petty malice, OR if she is somehow just THAT dense and air-headed. The more she speaks the dumber she sounds, like what does she think she has to gain?
@@MsScarletwings I also enjoyed Tiffania Watson's use of "exhibit" in a letter...y'know, outside of an actual trial.
@@MsScarletwings
Seriously, this is as incompetent as Digital Homicide's lawsuit against Jim Sterling.
I started my new job at a law firm recently and was talking with one of my new coworkers about romance novels and she mentioned “some weird shit” she’s seen and I was like “I do not know how to ask this in a SFW way but was it, um...” and she went “no it’s not the wolf thing” and then she specifically mentioned this video and we bonded over that. It was a hilarious and deeply surreal experience.
Yep. That's an instant friendship right there.
That’s awesome!!
that's real life engagement
Sounds like the start of a beautiful friendship.
Auhhh Knotting, making friends since the dawn of time
After Sarah Z getting a legal threat from Homestuck, I think that getting sued by someone as a result of documenting their silliness is a TH-cam essayist rite of passage.
Someone needs to print out the Wikipedia article on the streisand effect, bind it into a book, and and pass it out to these people if they don't prefer just hitting them upside the head with it.
Go check out when James Stephanie Sterling was sued for $10m for posting a video game review. This was before they came out as trans so they use a different name and pronouns but it's a similar story, fascinating watch.
Oi koiba
The idea that I could get a personal response from an author I hate if I out her terrible decisions through a series of well researched and structured video essays, is more tempting to me than any other motivation I’ve come across, and there’s been a lot. God damn it.
Like.
Yessss send me legal jargon hate mail you reprehensible trash buffoon.
if amada the jedi is sued or something they're gonna be the holy trinity of "they emailed to legal threat me, and it went worse from there"
Of this whole saga, my favourite part was when she claimed to have invented heterosexuality and rape.
Wild.
Yeah, that still is the most baffling part to me. You're really telling me you innovated dub/non con in hetero smut? just wow.
WEIRD Flex but okay
I mean, I wish she was right, lol?
@@madeline6951 How? People have been writing rapey m/f A/B/O content inspired by the Omegaverse since 2010-2011 on Tumblr. I'm pretty sure it's still available to read.
@@i10i60 what? I said "I wish she was right" meaning "if she did invent rape, that would've meant that rape didn't exist prior to that in history". I was making a joke. I never even implied she was even a little bit right.
"I feel Lindsay Ellis is a menace, a threat to my child" I think she means "a threat to my damn baby"
DAMN BABY
I like how she feels targeted and threatened by Lindsay and her fans despite her stating in her 1st video
DONT HARASS HER😂
I fucking snorted
I read that comment before that part of the video and I couldn’t believe someone said something so ridiculous 😂😭.
A youtuber ate my baby!!!
Jenny Nicholson has been rightfully praised for her perfect Addison Cain reading, but let's not forget Maggie Mae Fish's amazing performance of Taylynne Watson
tamya witson
Tyrannia Watson
Tati Westbrook
Tyranny wimbledon
Tanzanita Whatsin
Say “omegaverse” five times in front of a mirror and Addison Cain’s lawyer will appear behind you with a cease and desist order.
In crayon
I HEREBY DECLARE MY COPYRIGHT OF THE NAME "ALPHAVERSE" AND RESERVE ALL INTERNATIONAL RIGHTS TO F--- WITH ANYONE USING THE WORD IN ANY CAPACITY, NO MATTER HOW REASONABLE THAT USE MAY BE, BECAUSE I AM THAT KIND OF ALPHA JERK.
I’m dying 😂
🤣🤣🤣
I’m dying
"No one cares about your response video, Gary."
What the heck did I do?!
Not you, a different gary, which gary? Idk
"This is not fair use!"
"The poster significantly transformed my work"
Uhhhh
*It's a bold strategy cotton, Let's see it pays off for 'em.
I liked the bit about Fair Use being "highly subjective." LOL
That’s like saying “this isn’t fair use, they reviewed my work!”
I think we call that a "Bruh Moment"
Meter attendant: "Excuse me miss, this is a no parking zone. I'm afraid you'll have to move your car"
Allison Cain: **"TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN..."**
As she is being towed
XD
She really does love to sue her way out of everything huh
Addison Karen
I was going to like this, but its at 69 right now
@@CrazyDyslexicNerd It's at 300 now, you're free XD
"I feel Lindsay Ellis is a menace, a threat to my child, and is monetizing defamation for personal gain" HAS to be the quote on the cover of your next book
fully agree, and I'm commenting to drive that engagement
Here is my engagement comment agreeing with you but also an invitation for a “fight”.
Agreed! One heck of a tagline.
If should be the entire about author blurb
Yeeep agreed!
Is it just me or is anyone else having secondhand embarrassment every time Cain's lawyer letters are read?
And also when the portions of the actual stories are read…
Considering what a poor grasp of the law her "lawyer" seems to have I'm pretty sure that Cain is writing most if not all of the letters or at most someone like a paralegal is helping her write them without actually knowing shit about it.
Yes, I actually had to scroll through some of those parts because of too much second hand embarrassment.
“lawyer”
Addison Cain’s real kink is spending the rest of her life in copyright court
Don't kink shame.
@@LaineyBug2020 same.
I would like it to look like I am engaging more with this content so it will trend. Thank you, and have a good day.
*/Blows up balloon/* awooo
“This is NOT fair use”
Also
“The poster significantly transformed my original work”
Clearly this woman understands fair use.
Lmao
I suspect maybe you don't. Claiming it's not fair use *and* that it was transformed is not oxymoronic. I haven't seen the entire video, but I just saw a sus comment, and had to clarify
@@Daye04 it's sarcasm matey
@@dinhvo276 yeah. It's sarcastic when the commenter says 'clearly this woman understands fair use". Implying that the two sentences are an oxymoron. Which they're not. Do we all not understand copyright law?
@@Daye04 I think you don’t understand what fair use is? Watch the first vid my friend!
Also, as an indie author who has been in this game for six years, I'm taking a stab in the dark with why Addison Cain redirected her contempt toward the other authors listed... it's because she thought she could bully them more since they are indie authors, versus trying to bully you as a trad. pub author. This isn't the first time this has happened in the indie author world. And sadly, won't be the last.
That's incredibly sad and discouraging :(
My brief experience has been that erotica authors are extremely supportive of one another. This event has arisen from narcissism. For crying out loud; we write smut for people to get off on! Let's just have fun with it.
With prejudice lololol 😂
@@chassonknight1383 Right? This whole thing is- wow.
What are some of your books?
It may be 4 years later, Lindsay may not post on this platform, but when the alpha says you drive engagement YOU DRIVE ENGAGEMENT
Fite me m8
She is, truly, alpha.
Yup, it’s petty revenge
Lindsay Ellis: I made a mistake
Addison Cain: HA I GOT YOU
LINDSAY: Cain didn’t settle, the judge literally told her that her ass was wrong in a legal judgement. No ambiguity
Cain: ......
The fascinating thing is that the "settlement" language comes from Cain's blog post. "Instead, it was settled for a legally meaningless sentence from a publisher that no longer had the rights to my works and wanted out of a lawsuit. By definition, a settlement means an agreement to resolve the legal dispute by both parties prior to trial. No judge ruled on the case."
To quote Sam O'Nella Academy:
"But it turns out that 'Im Mad Butthurt' isn't a valid reason for prosecution, so that went nowhere"
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I remember the quote, but I forgot what video it was from! Can you tell me which one it was again? Thanks!
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@@YokiDokiPanic The life of Charles J Guiteau (HE KILLED GARFIELD)
These two have to do a collab!
I love that they 'degraded' Cain's work by, err reading it out...
Truth - it degrades itself!
She makes E.L. James look good. Remember aaaallll those dramatic readings of 50 Shades? Not a lawsuit in sight!
@@chibiktsn3 Double crap!
“How dare they read out my rape fiction with disgust in their tones!” And it’s like Cain, bruh,
People don’t usually like that kind of shit.
@@Lucifersfursona Eh. There’s many women with dark fantasies and a reason why this and other “romance” novels like it would sell. It doesn’t make it condonable in real life, just some woman’s taboo fantasy.
Her writing cringey work is not unusual. It’s the way then threw a public fit that dragged others into a legal battle that was the worst part, really.
If she had just kept to herself and the niche of women who pay to read it, it would’ve been no issue. But no, gotta stir up some public spectacle.
Almost makes it seem like the whole legal ordeal was a stunt to get more readers.
Looking back on this, the damn baby thing is the funniest part to me. She literally used Lindsay doing due diligence to make sure her child’s face wasn’t in the video (to avoid the baby being harassed) as evidence of harassment 🙃
There’s a maybe small but non zero chance that that baby will see this video someday
Other author: breathes
Addison Cain: wait that’s illegal
Addison cain: I thought of that first
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Addison Cain: Hippity Hoppity that's my goddamn property
@@fockingreat1125 i cant breathe
I don't own breathing per se, but i own _that specific way of breathing_
TH-cam not honoring a DMCA claim on the grounds of utter bullshit is actually quite lucky. Consider buying a lotto ticket.
I think we've finally discovered TH-cam's bullshit threshold.
If any of y'all had "TH-cam finally finds the rock bottom of bullshit DMCA claims and grows a small but significant backbone" on your 2020 bingo cards, I salute you o7
I was very surprised that they didn't. Like surely other people had made more flimsy and dumb claims. And then Lindsey showed the letter and... wow just wow.
@@Rozdlc there’s probably a threshold of view counts under which nobody looks critically at takedowns at all. Once you’re a gold-play-button creator, you get perks.
@@JasperJanssen:
Lindsay's milkshake brings all the views to the platform,
And they're like, is better than Cain's
Damn right, it's better than Cain's
"Addison, that is not what a hate crime is."
"Well I hated it!"
LMFAO
Lol
LMAO
Hauahauahau this is perfect capture of the essence of a Karen
ROFL LMAO
Cain: Look at this turtle.
Professional herpetologist: Actually that's a tortoise.
Cain: THE PERSECUTION OF ME NEVER ENDS!!!!!
Cain: Furthermore, while you may be a tenured professor of Herpetology at Harvard with in excess of 200 citations to your name, it doesn't escape my notice that you haven't published a paper in over _three weeks,_ making your claim to be an authority on the matter, and therefore the validity of your opinion, suspect at best.
@@Pineappolis😅😅😅😅
@@DeidreBagley A sincere thank you for reminding me that I can, once in a great while when the stars are aligned, be quite witty. I completely forgot about that comment.
EDIT: Although, in hindsight, my use of the word 'citations' is a bit ambiguous. _I_ have more than 200 citations across the papers I published during my PhD way back when (not a brag - your ability to publish in top journals and therefore get cited is based almost _entirely_ on how big a name your supervisor is and it was pure luck that I ended up working for a _seriously_ big gun in an _incredibly_ niche field that no-one else in my year was interested in because it sounded a lot scarier than it was). Should have gone with 'publications' instead.
I see things are getting heated in the heterosexual wolf porn fandom.
No they're knot
@@markgrant4954 Delete this.
@@zmdumpbox2340 I'll see you in court.
@@markgrant4954 The DCMA has been contacted and your works will be copyrighted
@@markgrant4954 (Law and Order gavel SFX)
Loving how the drama is more entertaining than the books they’re fighting over.
lindsay ellis: storyteller
I’ve been laughing so hard!
I see no lies
that's the whole point of this shitstorm, right? Cain just screams "LOOK AT ME, I WANT ATTENTION, LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING TO MY BOOOOOOOKS(now that u looked, try buying them, i know u liked them cause i'm an amazing writer)"
Loving how all this Very Important IRL Drama was acted out under pseudonyms, because it's about werewolf porn so they all want to maintain the ability to lie convincingly in case family/friends/colleagues ever hear about it.
Lindsay: "I don't want this to be the Addison Cain channel"
TH-cam Algorithm: "I don't care what you want."
TH-cam: We dismissed a DMCA. You owe us now.
A comment for the algorithm
I don't know... I kinda LOVE professional victims. I also love good dumpster fires and true crime too so.... Thanks YT algorithm for suggesting this video, which I paused to watch the previous one... Lol!
I miss Lindsay also Jenny deserves an Oscar for her performance as Addison Cain
So this means that Addison Cain has heard Jenny's impression of her
Jenny will get the next takedown letter lol
nice
Asking the real questions!
And Jenny said, "I got round two." I want to be her when I grow up.
I had no idea Werewolf erotica was such a cut throat literary genre.
ikr indie erotica authors can live or die by their networking oof
Its a dog eat out dog world out there
As somebody who has never read werewolf erotica and has no interest in it, I was still hoping that the leading author in this presumably niche genre was not insane. I just wanted to root for somebody that specific.
I don't even know what had me click on the video. I was vaguely aware of Werewolf Erotica as a genre I assumed it was a close offshoot of Vampire Erotica but was unaware that I'd clicked on a video about the legal drama behind the genre.
@@pappajudas9267 I've got to be honest here, despite my interest in copyright law and contrary previous claims I made, I saw a thumbnail with an attractive woman wearing a wolf costume and I was hoping for some werewolf erotica.
I know that's probably a youthful naïveté on my part, but I never imagined someone who started out as a Bane thirst fanfiction writer would choose "I didn't like how they transformed my work" as a hill to die on.
She's never going to get Tom Hardy to love her by acting like this
That's how the Fifty Shades author behaves, and she's also a fanfiction author turned pro
And going after another author for plagiarizing a character.
Hey snitch that was my thought. I'm suing you for mental plagiarism
Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!
Lindsay taking down everything they’re saying gives me big “that’s not true Ellen, you were invited” vibes
“Honey didn’t you pick up our child from kindergarten?”
“I don’t have time for the damn baby, Im on the processes of suing someone for making fun of my wolf porn”
“Didn’t you do that last month”
“No last month I was suing someone for copying my wolf porn, KEEP UP HAROLD!”
Yeah, the fact that she's raising a child kind of scares me.
Damn baby
Katherine Alvarez
Yeah uhh, I’m not usually one to make this kind of statement, but all we’ve seen of her behavior reeks of pathological narcissism.
And considering there’s an entire (unfortunately unpopular) subreddit for children of “narcissist parents” to share their stories and comfort one another, I hope that child lucks out of that bad situation one way or another.
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"Lindsay Ellis is a menace, A THREAT TO MY CHILD," NEEDS to be a review quote on the next book.
She should write a horror novel and use it as a quote on that one XD
Omg that needs to go on the back cover
I agree
I want a t shirt with that
The fact that Addison Cain thinks that textbooks are not copyrighted, seems like she's never read one.
Honestly. Like, that's intellectual property too
Lol, right!? As a recovering academic, my eyes almost popped out of my head!
For real?!
It would literally be *more* likely to qualify for infringement if it were a textbook she was reading from because you could then possibly make the argument that it was cutting into their share of the market. It would still be a hard sell if it was cited correctly, but it would definitely not be less likely to count as infringement. Teachers have been sued for making print outs from textbooks for crying out loud
I got in more trouble for pirating calculus textbooks than I ever have for vast amounts of entertainment media.
I fucking lost it in the credits at
Angelina Meehan
as herself
Her Damn Baby
as her damn self
My god Lindsay can hold a torch
When your only tool is Karening, everything looks like a manager.
This is a God-tier comment
... except for self-management, that would be weakness/heresy.
May I speak to YOUR Manager!
Your manager is Karen
This
Is
Genius
Addison Cain: it’s monetized so it can’t be fair use
The entire reaction genre on TH-cam: exists
I WILL FIGHT YOU
Holy shit
Much bigger than that (esp. to my super niche white male demographic):
The *entire* gaming sphere: exists
She's a lil baby with lil baby arguments
Jenny Nicholson is genuinely a fantastic voice actor.
Can't believe I didn't recognise her voice until I saw this
Oh! I hear it now. No idea it was Jenny lol but I should have recognized.
She has experience voicing a bunch of characters for Friendship is Witchcraft!
I mean, she was a voice actor for many years for one of the most popular My Little Pony fan shows, so... Yeah. Pony's help in weird ways?
Was that Jenny Nicholson? I did not recognise her voice.
They level of paranoia and conspiracy rabbit hole that Cain and crew goes down is concerning from a mental health perspective. She honestly sees herself as a victim of everyone and everything.
I love how the “Lindsay Ellis is a menace” shirt can be worn by her fans and foes alike. Truly immaculate merch potential.
Nice, capturing both audience at ounce
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"Parker, with his 25% share of profits, was finding many new ways to make money from [Elvis] that managers before him could only have dreamed about.[24] He had even come up with the idea to market "I Hate Elvis" badges to make money from those who otherwise wouldn't have parted with their cash."
YES
I want one now
Please put “Lindsay Ellis is a menace, a threat to my child...” on your book jacket.
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10/10: would be an AMAZING blurb for her next book.
I would buy that book so fast
I misread this as putting the quote on a bomber jacket, and I would honestly buy that in a heartbeat
Yes! Holy crap this Cain woman is clutching her pearls so hard, they're going to turn into diamonds!
I could listen to Jenny Nicholson aggressively read court documents to me all day.
It's on my sleep playlist
Dick wolf is like "why do we even close streets for night shoots anymore"
Wow. Didn't recognize her voice at all
It was the voiceover I didn’t know I needed
There's a Patreon idea for her, if ever there was one.
the most surprising part of this video is lindsay saying she doesnt have an ao3 account
@bigamateur9055I'd say so?
It makes categorizing bookmarks somewhat discretely easy, and writing fan fiction on a pretty chill site is good fun.
AO3 in general is pretty high quality, and has a *really* good search and general categorization system
This whole story is wilder than the wolves Cain writes about.
Never thought to find you here....
Fight fight fight
Check out the "purr cat cafe" controversy, I have a sneaking suspicion that cain is actually the same lady from that story
Probably not In actuality but damn are they similar in method and strategy
Be careful before Cain tries to sue you too! Her madness has a gravitational pull.
Does it end with them falling in love? Because Cain's trying to alpha out and mark her territory.
addison cain: "a win for authors!!!"
addison cain: *actively tries to destroy every other authors career*
Het wolf porn is mine all miiiine
Yep. Entitled jerkass, stage left
@@declanoneil6417 Torn between what flavour popcorn would be best if she ever reaches the point Anita Blake gets bought into the discussion
the fact that she calls herself cain is either ironic or very self aware
I thought ABO was one of the few kinks that are not apart of the Anita Blake cluster fuck.
Also Jenny Nicolson should just make a career of reading tweets in a bitchy voice, she's way too good at it
Right?! She does a great job. The inflection when she's reading Addison being whiny in the first vid was grade a perfection
pre-ordering the audio book right now.
I totally didn’t realize this was Jenny Nicholson holy shit
@@dismurrart6648 To WHOM it MAY conCERN...
I sometimes wonder why people quit TH-cam. And then I watch this video and Lindsay and Natalie's canceling videos. And I remember that I can't handle the level of criticism inherent to a normal office job. I would've quit too. Mazeltov, Lindsay. I hope you're finding joy and I REALLY hope you never have to deal with this kind of thing again.
So if Lindsay Ellis is a menace and she often makes Phantom of the Opera content... does that make her a “Phantom Menace”?
... I hate that I laughed. D:
+1 comment for the laugh and engagement (!)
I certainly hope so, lol!
This is getting out of hand!
@@jasonblalock4429 No!
Jenny again proves that she is the BEST aggrieved female author voice actor
Truly transformative
I would like it to look like I am engaging more with this content so it will trend. Thank you, and have a good day.
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
The moment she started reading I was laughing, I had to pause the video for a moment oh my goodness
And Maggie killing it as Toenail Watson.
If Jenny Nicholson doesn’t play Addison Cain in the miniseries adaptation of this in five years, I’ll be v upset.
Don't forget to donate to Jenny's gofundme campaign. She endured severe back injuries after carrying the voice acting in this convoluted series.
Since we're supposed to be getting in fights in the comments:
You are obviously wrong. She should be played by Imelda Staunton, who also did Umbridge in HP.
@@cyprel You fool, she should be played by BOTH! Imelda does the physical acting while Jenny's voices are poorly dubbed over
"Lindsey Ellis is a menace" I immediately read that like J Jonah Jameson saying "Spider-man is a menace"
Peter: That's slander!
Jameson: I RESENT THAT! Slander is spoken. In print, it's libel.
Oh good, I was worried I was the only one.
Everyone's shouting out Jenny Nicholson and she was great, but can we acknowledge Maggie Mae Fish for her excellent customer service/smug legal voice? That was truly *chef's kiss*
It was truly excellent!!
For real. Both of them are treasures.
For real. Both of them are treasures.
oh, we stan
Yes, definitely. And Dan Olson’s brief voiceover made me laugh out loud.
Addison: "This video does NOT fall under fair use because it is not transformative!"
Addison 5 seconds later: "This video SIGNIFICANTLY transformed my work!"
Engaging reply...
Engaging reply...
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Feed algorithm, FEED THE ALGORITHM, *RETURN THE WITCH!!!*
Self-Own, Trump style
My favourite bit of visual comedy in this video is Lindsay holding the cell phone up to the ear on her hat, as if that was her actual ear.
Thank you for making me notice that