Should You Upgrade Your Xbox One With an SSD?
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- Loading time tests between the Xbox One stock drive vs a hybrid SSHD unit and a full-on SSD. Tom and Dave reveal how an SSD can cut-down the amount of time taken to get into the action. In some cases, it's an enormous upgrade.
Here we're testing a 480GB OCZ Trion 100 alongside a Seagate 1TB hybrid, up against Xbox One's internal stock drive.
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Nice with SSD upgrade, you split the loading time in GTA 5 Online by 1 hour.
Actually that's 1 minute
@@kenneth8585 r/woooosh
lmao
Bottlenecking that usb 3.0 with the SSD.
Comparison to a non ssd external should have been included imo.
Is there any UI changes? Does things load quicker like keyboard, messages etc?
Now that the Xbox One S which has SATA3 has been released, could you talk about it too? Make a test video maybe? Thanks.
Is it bring your kid to work day over at DigitalFoundry?
LOOOOL
savage. haha
+EnOrangeSoffa I just laughed the hardest I have in a while :'D
+EnOrangeSoffa shut up mate
Haha oh man
Would love to see you guys revisit this... One S and One X, internal drives vs external 5400 vs external SSHD vs External SSD. The reports around the Internet are very conflicting if the internal drive in the one X is faster.
What people forget to factor in is the fact if you game a lot. 10 seconds here and there 1 minute here etc adds up over time.
Also install time increases significantly. Save time etc.
I put an ssd in my ps3 i played tales of xillia for 80 hours. I saw the loading screen... Once for about 1 second maybe just under.
Also if you have to move in and out of areas that require loading its troublesome and time consuming
Is their a bandwidth limit for the usb interfaces versus a direct sata on something like a pc?
Would you be willing to consider doing something like this and the previous PS4 one for PC games? I'm honestly curious as to whether or not the price difference between, say, a 5900RPM drive and a 7200 of similar capacity is worthwhile with actual numbers to back it up, of which there are very, very few so far, with the SSD test showing what's essentially a best-case scenario.
Great info, thanks for the test!
can you guys do a comparison of just cause 3 after the new update. they say the loading times have improved between 20-50 percent. thanks. keep up the great videos
The trion 150 series from OCZ is the updated version of their budget drives and it's both faster and cheaper. You might want to look to see if you can find a 150 for less than a same capacity 100, it might be a better deal.
Doesn't using a USB connection theoretically limit how fast the drives can actually transfer data between the console and itself?
I think a ton of the delay and lag has to do with the server connection, for the drive should make a massive difference. However, when you see a decent SSD that can do 500 mb's per second versus a 40 - 60 mb per second physical drive? There should be much quicker access, which again, I think is server delay and access time and not the cpu or drive influenced.
i do the fisical change, and format my SSD with values of the original HDD, but show me a error... i need to do any more???
The ssd and sshd are both bottle necked by the usb enclosure to do a real test you would need to remove the stock and replace with each drive
***** no it can not since it doesnt have usb 3.0 sorry try again
***** sata 2 is still faster than usb at least it can reach 400mb/s where usb can't so i dont need to try you just need to learn
***** hence the bottle neck but sata 2 does have better over all speeds than a usb port so you would save 10 seconds more
The SSD is not bottled necked because the USB 3.0 interface can handle 5gbps which the SSD will never reach and yes SATA 2 is faster but it does not matter because the SSD is not gonna reach that speed.
and xbox does have USB 3.0
A real test would be if you installed the ssd inside the Xbox because USB is slower than SATA Ii
+Steve 30x xbox one uses usb 3.0,so the performance between the two is negligible.
would love to see this as well!
You guys should do a stock Xbox One vs Market Hybrid SSHD vs Xbox One Elite comparison.
The elite is the same as the stock console except uses a 7200RPM drive.
I need help my SSD SANDISK 240gb Plus, not detecting. It was at first downloaded my games on it took it out & now my games not there & it's not detecting it
In 2023 upgrading your Xbox One with a 2TB SATA 3 SSD is a must It's not just about the loading speed It's actually about improving the frame rate stutter replacing the internal hard drive with a internal SSD not only improves the loading time it improves everything And it can also fix some Xbox games that run really bad under 30fps such as Just cause 3 which is the worst performing Xbox game ever made but in my experience I played Just cause 3 on my original Xbox One with a built-in SATA 3 SSD Now it runs extremely consistent at 30fps even when I was causing so much explosions I also tested a few Xbox games that run so bad like elden Ring Star Wars Jedi fallen order especially when you arrive on kashyyk I was shocked how stable the frame rate is including cyberpunk 2077 which also runs fully locked at 30fps So I am convinced that Microsoft and Sony should have included every Xbox One and PS4 with a built-in SATA 3 SSD unlike the internal hard drive really held back every console game from running at their best So if you're wondering yes I still play on my OG Xbox One and PS4 Slim both equipped with a built-in internal 2TB SATA 3 SSD and I'm telling you right now it's the best way to enjoy console games at their best performance and say goodbye to no more framerate stutter
semi random question me my friend and I both have pc and we both have an SSD with Windows on it so why dose his lode in 10 seconds while mine takes 60 (ruff estamet)
Excellent. Keep up the great work!
So is there a way to mitigate the USB 3.0 loading by trimming, some other functionality?
what im wondering...does hd drive generate less or more heat too? wonder if this help overall temps inside console? not just 2-5 mins...im talking like 60 mins worth 2 hrs worth
And how do we know that your enclosure is not limiting factor between SSD and SSHD? Why wouldn't you test something like Samsung T SSD drives which are actually USB3.0 SSD drives? How was SSHD tested? Single game on it on fresh drive loaded multiple times or actual real world performance where there are multiple games thatare on it and each loaded recently? These are major factors that you are excluding mentioning/testing.
How about the Fusion Drive XB1 SKU?
So how is the sshd able to be stay so close to the ssd? If the data is all new it can't be cached. For example going from one game to another.
Hi Dave! Never seen you in person
If you install the games on an external but have an ssd interally will it make a difference?
im thinking of upgrading the internal to ssd. is this worth it or should just go buy a xbox one X
but what if i want to replace the old hdd with a ssd in the xbox? i just did, and it wont let me install xbox os on it. if there is a answer to this out there pleace let me know as im stuck with a ssd that i cant use atm.
Think the test would of been better if there was a 7200rpm drive in there. As well just to give the full picture of performance for all the possible upgrade roots.
Does a solid state hard drive help with lag and frames? Or just load screens ?
Bought an external SSD for my Wii U and it does the job better than my older external HDD. Some games like Splinter Cell Blacklist didn't get any different, but for most games like AC 3 and 4 and Zelda, it did make a difference.
The drive speed has a massive relationship between the bus speed and cpu itself, for if this was simply limited to drive speed, the SSD should have simply walked over that slow little 5400rpm by many times.
Why are the load times in The Witcher 3 so long on console? I'm only using a 7200RPM HDD for The Witcher 3, yet spawning back into an area takes 15 seconds max. Fast traveling take about 5-10 seconds.
Yeah I'm telling you it's shit
Its because of your CPU, console likely has much slower one
Get a fuckin ssd
How would that compare to with the SSD as an internal instead of an external?
The internal drive on an Xbox One cannot be upgraded/replaced.
So do the load times vary if the games are downloaded and not working off of the disc
I think your test is not considering the difference in BUS speed. The internal SATA and the USB in this case, are in par? You may lose a lot with an external USB, even if the drive itself is faster. Has Xbox One USB 3.0?
So the only upgrade is to load times not to textures loading in game??
I personally use a SSHD in my PS4 and I'm very satisfied. If, someday, the PS4 offers Trim option, then I might consider putting a SSD in it. Will need to test first.
Is there an advantage of the ST1000LM014 over getting slightly chaper ST1000DX001?
I have an hybrid I fell it was a very nice upgrade and really needed
Dead link on your Eurogamer article link.
Why does the SSD on the Xbox One and PS4 perform comparably? Shouldn't SATA2 bottleneck the SSD on the PS4, while USB3.0 on the Xbox One supplies the SSD with more than enough bandwidth? Or is the 5Gb/s of bandwidth for USB3.0 often less in practice?
i have an external SSD, but can you guys do a comparison with a dedicated external SSD like the samsung T5, or the sandisk extreme portable 500 series?
Question: When I’m playing Kingdom Come: Deliverance lot of the times the area needs to load up the graphics and NPC because my horse moves fast. Does upgrading to an SSD help load areas faster?
It can.
Using an SSD should increase load times and reduce the amount of things that "pop" when loading areas of a game.
Don't the consoles use a SATA II interface?
OK great SDHH seem very nic and cheaper than SDD but does SHDD can be external ?
I thought dave was black.
did you connected to ssd via usb ?
After being subjected to TES:V on PS3, I knew I would avoid the next gen of consoles. I'm so glad I built a PC.
Obviously any external harddirve, even a 5400 would be a bit faster because the stock drive is slow and already has stuff loading on it, like the OS and stuff, which will make the drive (even) slower
were these tests using external drives or internal drives?
The X1 has a 5400rpm stock drive? What year is this 2005?
isn't the use connection gonna be a bit slow?
I have 2 questions about xbox one :
can you install a SSD directly in the Console?
can i install a hard drive with windows in to Console and will it run Windows?
You will loos garanty. Dont do it. Just with USB is fine (but not perfect...thats correct)
the SSHD you need to reload the game 2 times so it has the data in its 8GB SSD cache on the seagate (good for save reloading) whereas SSD its constant overall it be best if you could put the SSD inside the xbox if that is possible (not checked as dont own one (was just an interesting overview)
The hybrid seems the best deal in reference to performance. Hopefully, they will engineer technology similar to Intel's Optane into consoles. This would give the ability to still use hard drives but get significantly better loading performance.
Ssd prices are coming down dramatically
Of course you can do that with a 2TB solid state drive. I keep my Xbox One forever until that internal hard drive needs a replacement I have no idea when.
I wish I had made this for Final Fantasy XV... out of my 100 hours 20 must have been loading...sigh...
Is the hybrid drive 8GB or 32GB NAND?
I need some advice. What's a CHEAP and reliable 128GB SSD that works WELL with the PS4? I'm only going to use it with the PS4. I care more about performances than storage, but i don't want something the PS4 isn't going to fully use.
+jippalippa Anything by Samsung or Crucial. That being said, you should get a 250GB SSD at a minimum for the ps4. 128 will fill up with 1 game.
Samuel Nehls Don't worry, i only play exclusives on my PS4 and one at a time (i uninstall each game after completing it)
This was a good idea, but the hybrid should have been replaced with a 7200 rpm hdd, which many consider a better idea than an ssd for the upgrade. Supposedly for the price of say, a 500gb ssd you can buy a 2tb or better 7200 hdd, which gives a definite speed boost and a major storage upgrade. They say the meager perf. boost of an ssd doesn't justify the cost as compared to a 7200. Anyways, those are the three I want too see compared.
Why didn't you include a non ssd external?
Do keep in mind an external SSD using USB 3.0 will slow down over time as trim is not available and will also give you slower read speeds without native command queuing available etc.
Is there no way to rip out the slow original harddrive of the xbox one ?
It is absolutely possible. However, from what I've seen, you can't increase the capacity. Or rather, you can't change the size of the user content partition. The info I've seen could very well be wrong regarding the partition, however.
There are SSDs released specifically designed for Xbox One and they have TRIM available and enabled.
@@icy1007 what does that mean
Dang. I wish i would have seen this video before buying a samsung 850 ssd last year. A sshd looks promising with lots more storage space for the price.
Eric Ernst you can install a ssd in Xbox one
I'd get a hybrid. Double the capacity and close to the same performance for the same price.
Isnt the ssd held back by the max speed of the usb connection/
+Dmitry Shubkin No it isnt usb3 can more then handle max transfer of sata2. Sata2 is the limiter on both ps4 and xboxone as that cant handle the full speed of an ssd
Nope, it's USB 3.0 which has a Max rate of around 5gbps (640MBps)
Yep. Still faster then 5400RPM
Don't let yourselves be fooled by theoretical numbers. The real usable data transfer rate of USB 3.0 (or USB 3.1 Gen 1 as it is called now) is considered to be at about 300 MB/s, because it is a rather inefficient protocol. This also depends heavily on the device-side controller and the host-side controller. So if you have a fast SSD this can potentially be a limiting factor.
On the other hand, data transfer rate of SATA II is also at about 300 MB/s.
In conclusion: When given the choice, using SATA II over USB 3.0 might still be better because of lower latency, which is one of the main advantages of using an SSD over a traditional HDD.
@@anchises666 - USB 3.0 is not limited to 300 MB/s...
So you can choose any ssd for this?
What's the case called u pit the card Into?
6 seconds isn't much unless you play a lot. It could mean 2 or 3 hours a year?
Does it improve picture quality?
I just hate the fact that the externall hdd stays on when plugged into the XB1 even after its completely off
never had problems with that, auto-cut-off if the HDD is not used. no problem.
It doesn't stay on when the Xbox is off. There is a setting that controls that.
Using A hard drive encloser, is in faster, than just buying a 3.0 USB external hard drive?
Adding an external drive is not upgrading the disk. HOLY FUCK, change the INTERNAL disk!
Do i see a Sony Xperia Play box behind you? Great phone
wow load times are absolutely insane D:
does the enclosure use usb 3.0
Dave looks like he's from Dark Souls.
+StoreBrand | Bernie2016 More like one of the surviving prisoner of the Alien 3 movie.
He's hollow!
StoreBrand dark souls, light skins. lmao
Ahahaha
I’m new to the channel. I am installing a Samsung Evo 860 Evo SDD internal (spending a lot of money) did I make a mistake? I see everyone doing external SSD but my HDD failed and I had no choice , it’s in the shop awaiting delivery, please tell me your thoughts (bottlenecking, too much money on a good SDD? Etc.) thanks in advance
If possible it'd be better to do that drive internally there are other videos are showing how to do that.
@@Exmachinagamma I’m confused , I said I installed it internally ?
@@EricGattrell guess I skimmed it😅 didn't mean to overlook. How did it go? Are the read/write speeds good?
Hi Tom, can you recommend a hard drive for my ps4 to reduce load times on games like just cause 3. Your advice is greatly appreciated
+SlimCargo no you don't lol, you only have to take off the cover and the hard drive is right there.
SlimCargo first off I do play on PC, if you want my specs I would gladly post them. And second, I have a 7200 2tb left over from my old laptop lol.
What a great test, how can you test it like this? The maximum bandwith of usb 3.0 is around 45mb/s and that ssd is around 500mb/s so you are limiting the ssd to around 12th of the speed it can achieve.
Mr.Funky Right
USB 3.0 bottle necks after 640MBps, plenty capable I'd say.
USB 3.0 bandwidth is 5 Gb/s... which is 625 MB/s. Plenty of bandwidth.
i mean, i personally would say some of these gains are insanely huge from stock to ssd. if you shave 5 seconds off of 20 seconds....thats BIG!!!
can you put SSD inside xbox one slim console?
alright, thank you
I considered upgrading since the standard 5400 RPM SATA II is painfully slow on the Xbox ONe for both the operating system and for games but upgrading it is not easy. I don't want to have external storage dangling about and although the console is past its warranty, opening it up and replacing it is a pain. Also I have no idea why the operating system takes up so much space. Windows 10 64 bit takes 18 GB so it's puzzling why the XBone takes up so much more. It's crazy that we're at a point with consoles where the storage is so primitive it's a big issue.
One thing I have to admit is that on PC storage is much less of an issue despite having so many more programs. I easily get by on 250 GB SSD on PC with lots of stuff installed but don't think I can do that with Xbox One.
That's my issue. I want to put a 1TB SSD inside it but changing the internal drive sounds extremely annoying.
I just wanted to to know if this is the best way to get the a game to run smoother like pubg and the fps.. I'm not no Tech Guy... it's what I've been reading get a SSD drive and move the game over there and it will run better...
Why not tell them how to install it internally. I've done it. You'll need to reformat it ubuntu
These are for Xbox right cause I wanna buy the 480GB SSD
Just like in the PS4, it's not the interface that's holding back the SSD's, it's the low performance tablet CPU, the only noticable gains are in large open-world games.
We already know that it saves you loading times, but how about a more steady FPS? Does it dip less in some games known for getting FPS dips?
No, hard drives USUALLY won't gain any fps but there are some exceptions.
blarg69man lmao the penis thing is true, don't know about the others but I will gladly test it out
+blarg69man Ahh my apologizes, i thought you meant on pc
I would personally just get the 750gb Western Digital Scorpio Black hard drive or Hitatchi 1TB 7200 rpm hard drive. Most cost effective for the console users.
but how will it connect to the xbox via usb
@@legionDC - With an external USB 3.0 enclosure. The same sort of thing used in this video, but it would require its own external power source.
Hey guys, i use an external samsung T7 on xbox one x. Forza horizon 4 boots in half the time now (from 2:35 to 1:15).
However, in borderlands 3 i allmost dont notice the difference (and thats the game i bought the ssd for ☹️). Anyone know why some games do not seem to profit from this?
much better internal...
ocz trion 150 ssd or sandisk ultra ii? which is better?
samsung
Can you guys do a video looking at the best hard drive upgrade for the Xbox 360?
XBox 360? Which year is it? 2009?
+MC RA13AN MS patched in support for 2TB external drives on the 360 last year.
You don't even need a hybrid drive. I got a Seagate 7200 RPM 3,5" drive and it's more than 25% faster than the Stock one.
I can do this with a spare Xbox One using a 1TB SSD as that option just as if I did that on my PS3.
get him some xboxes to stand on
Still cracks me up.
Would an SSD over HDD mean you download games quicker too? Or is that wholly dependent on your internet speed?
No. This depends on your ISP.
@@TheCheshireCat. Actually you're wrong The SSD does improve downloading games much quicker since it's able to read the data much faster than a hard drive But having a lightning fast internet speed can also help download games or update games very fast in matter of seconds or minutes