These SSDs are compatible and will play well with games like Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, as long as they meet the speed requirements. Even drives that don't meet the spec (older/cheaper gen4 drives) will still play well with _current_ games. But if you're buying a new SSD, the extra $20 - $30 for a drive that will meet specs and maintain its performance outweighs buying a cheaper, slower drive. As games evolve, load times will probably become more optimized for high speed storage or in-sequence loading, which could be problematic for slower drives. Gen3 drives are entirely incompatible regardless of storage size. In terms of heatsinks, your drive will need one as per Sony's recommendations, since there's no airflow in the M.2 compartment in the PS5. Many drives have built-in copper heatsinks that are better than nothing, or will sometimes come with an additional heatsink in the box. Otherwise, even a cheap, generic low-profile heatsink from Amazon will help ensure the longevity of drives. It does need to fit within the space though. Full drive requirements are here: www.playstation.com/en-ca/support/hardware/ps5-install-m2-ssd/ - JB
PS5 i would constantly go to local stores, such as Walmart and GameStop if you live in the US and nag them about it. I see xbox's in stock every time i go to walmart get lunches for work and sometimes a ps5 or 2.
@@alecvogel3269 there no daily drop where I am they just retail randomly and by the time I get one in stock I would probably have used the money for something else anyways, rip.
@@DemeDemetre well yeah, but I mean some people like having huge game libraries. In addition games are huge. Look at WZ 1/10 of storage. Only time will tell with newer games.
@@DemeDemetre the intention i see is that the internal m.2 interface is a faster, and more mechanically secure, interface than an external USB hard drive, especially further down the road in the PS5s life span.
I love how any news outlet called this a hard upgrade. I don't think they've ever seen the lengths people have gone to to service their own consoles in the last 25 years. Gamers are determined folk
@@Ninjacool36781 He wont be for long. Don't know what's up with people dissing other peoples deceased parent for the sake of entertainment. It really grinds my gears on how insensitive people can be.
Hot swappable between systems too...so I'm thinking of getting a Series S for my room & just transfer the digital titles between rooms with my Series X on the 2 cards I have already. :)
yeah but mostly the PS5 pros...I put in my 980 Pro with the beta load and its amazing. Just as fast as the internal storage speeds. SONY killed it on this one.
@@moby1kanob Probably faster. Digital Foundry's testing found that read speeds were similar across the board, but that the internal storage was slower for write speeds (for drives that meet Sony's standards).
@@DemeDemetre okay.. save a dollar a day or something. It's not unachievable with that mentality. No need to tell me to shut up, when I had no idea you were under 18.
Yeah that notice on installing a slower drive makes total sense. It'll work for most games so it lets you use it, but if a future game comes up that really uses the PS5 mandated speed, you'll just have to swap over to the internal drive. No biggie, totally makes sense.
Theoretically there shouldn't be anything wrong even at slower speeds, things just might load slower. I cant really imagine what kind of game feature would break from having slower storage, at most there would be obvious texture pop-in or lower quality textures.
Yeah but Sabrent top of the line SSD which is just as good as everyone's is dropping in price, you can get it for about $150 in some stores, and 180 on Amazon. Soon the others will follow
@@Anukinihun lol i hope the "speed" cap is something that is not seen until the end of life of the system. it would be pretty funny if in the end you didnt need the speed... at all and the only way they could make that marketing hold true is by forcing users to have the "suggessted" m.2 despite the games not requiring it, which honestly wouldnt surprise me if it did.
@@mikeymaiku you will need it for games coming out soon like GTA VI, Spiderman 2 etc. From what I heard about GTA VI, the sandbox is going to be the whole State of California. I don't know if it's true but I believe it Because GTA V is huge
Interesting comment at 5:59, recently I upgraded my ps5 and the sabrent rocket 4 plus came in a kit with a custom heatsink which replaces the metal heatshield inside and totally screws in place (neat solution), they even sell that heatsink seperately.
@@HouwariAttack which is a real surprise since they are typically very anti consumer, with their proprietary connectors ,different for every thing and memory cards that were the same on everything, it took them forever to get SD cards on their cameras
@@munjee2 tbf the PSP supported Mini-USB, the DS3, DS4 and DualSense all supported generic USB connections, and the PSP's memory cards were at least somewhat more ubiquitous at the time
@@megacherv yeah after there recent more open standards it's amazing, I have had quite a few sony handicams over the years (before phone cameras were good) and all four them had completely different connectors and batteries, and two different proprietary memory card (memory stick and magic gate) it's really good how they changed this for the better is what I'm saying, I would've expected them to go the way of Nintendo making everything overly complicated thankfully I was wrong
"Why would sony put out this beta if they didn't expect it to perform as it should?" Wow things sure have changed. I remember when beta testing something = 100% a glitchy crapshoot
As a Series X owner, I like the freedom of the Sony storage system. I think it’s incredible smart to use PC components to upgrade consoles. Microsoft easily could have done that, as they are literally the first thing installed on nearly every SSD sold! Additionally, the price of those seagate cards is a bit insane
@@hungryy226 How? The S70 Blade is considered one of the best options on the market. They come with your standard 5 year warranty and there's no valuable data on a PS5 storage drive. Besides, other SSDs like the SN850X and Crucial's P5 Plus have been falling into that price range lately too.
They're really not that hard to get if you're patient. I've managed to get nearly 20 so far (I don't scalp them, I've gotten them for friends and family and made no money on them). You just need to find a good stock checker for your country and be quick when a notification comes through.
@@lewisholmes9526 I swear I thought you and the guy who commented above were BOT comments since he said follow 'XYZ' person for 'ABC' stuff just like how you see it in the crypto bot comments. Also, you guys apparently use real names (your own names) which was made it suspicious even more (those crypto bots all have real names).
DigitalFoundry has a great analysis of the M.2 performance compared to internal and external drives on the PS5, for people wanting a bit more of a technical view.
I've been building computers for 13 years, and currently work in tech support. I'm reminded every day about why I shouldn't underestimate the general population's ability to look at literally anything, and cry "Too hard! Too much work!"
I remember back in the day, A woman had 2, 5 1/4 drives. She came in cuz the cd she put in it didnt work. So after that she tried a 3 1/2 floppy in the second drive and it didnt work. That was not a special day back then.
So do you guys attempt to teach them anything? I bet if you needed your house rebuilt and tried you would fail and need to call a crew like the one I work on amd we wouldn't sit around and call you "dumb and lazy" for not knowing how to do our job.
@@Silent_Shadow Yes, Just, that's overall the point of what I said. After attempting to show, teach, walk through, explain, etc. there is a general attitude of "Too hard. Too much work. Too complicated." We're not just sitting here saying shit like "All you have to do is reseat the M.2 SSD, then boot into the BIOS and make sure it's detected. Good luck. K thnx bye".
@@nexxusty I think that's a bit unfair. People all have their own talents and remember that a jack of all trades is a master of none. Would you take the time to learn about yeasts so you can bake a bread or do you entrust a baker to bake it for you? There's a reason why YOU work in IT, and not those people you mention.
You should definitely put the cover back over the SSD slot, it's there to keep hot air from escaping into the rest of the system. There are exhaust slots inside the cavity that work with the negative pressure cooling design.
Yeah, knowing enthusiasts, easier alternative would be just to put some duct tape over it and be done. But yeah I agree that not adding holes to it without testing, they streamlined cooling a lot in later revisions.
The thing is, I dont think many people that said it was hard were referring to the installation process itself, but how the openness of the choices (but still specific requirements) can make it easy to end up buying something that wont work. Even that 1st drive that Linus installed is not actually following the requirements set by Sony, they are asking for the drives to have a heatsink, either one you attach separately or that the drive already comes with it (but doesn’t cause fit problems)
I ran into the same problem with my Canon camera, one sd card that was "rated" at a high speed, my camera said it was too slow, and another card that was rated slower works perfectly fine.
Use a Kingston SD Card. They have one that is 480MB/S and it is not expensive at all....You can even bench test it with a reader on your PC and yes it does hit that speed.. I did it with mine
@@anthonylong5870 in my experience maximum write speeds mean absolutely nothing with SD cards. You want to check the minimum write speeds and their certification. Once that as card is in use it’s performance massively degrades. Hence why v10 cards are so dirt cheap, v30 is ok and v60-v90 and beyond get so expensive. Also avoid cheapo manufacturers
And then unplug it before moving it to said table. I often times wonder how many electronics are killed because people forget to unplug them before using screwdrivers inside them
Ikr? Almost every games media wrote that the SSD upgrade is too hard and comment sections were ful of ppl saying how hard it is and that they'll buy Xboxes now, but truth is, it's not hard and down the line it will be cheaper thanks to the normal PCI-E Gen 4 standard and not MS's dumb Memory Card trash
The test with that slower rated drive would have been perfect to see with Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart...would love to see Linus test that drive out with a game that truly utilizes the SSD for gameplay.
@Earthplayer The real gain in a faster SSD is with games that rely on data streaming. When games load the whole level into RAM it is not a question of gaming performance, but a question of how long you have to wait on the loading screen.
Thank you for including the step of needing a #1 Phillips screwdriver. You can make do with a 'normal' Phillips in every other case, but Ive found you really do need the one for that.
I really don't get what all the fuss is about! Sony *consoles* have always used the current indentured standard for storage. PS3 and PS4 took a standard sata 2.5" drive with height restrictions, sure NVMe has a much wider breadth of standards and Sony have gone with the latest standard, but it's still pretty simple of you scan the guide. Although I've seen a Firecuda 320 fitted and working, even though on paper it's incompatible. Thanks for showing how bloody simple it really is!
Believe it or not the average console gamer had no idea you can could change the HDD inside PS3 and probably PS4. I remember there was a cheap PS3 Slim SKU with 12 GB flash memory that was intended for people who has spare 2.5 HDDs that they could install hence saving money on the cheaper console but a lot of people were hating on the console saying you can't fit any games inside the 12 GB, obviously missing the entire point.
I think the main reason we don't have a certification process for add-on drives is because Sony hasn't fully tested the external storage option at launch, and is still testing now. There may be more specifications to check, and maybe a certification badge once all the science is substantially complete, and the proper drives do begin to proliferate the market.
@@YawnMK1 With NES you mean the Nintendo console? Most games were 41 kb, but the maximum was 1 MB. It would load instantly as long as you don't use a floppy disk (would need 4 seconds to load 1 MB, the 41 kb games would also load faster than 1 second).
for those wondering how it runs with the heat plate off, my 980 pro with a BeQuiet! MC1 Pro (which is like 1mm too tall) didnt go above 64c under load (running Returnal with a thermal probe in between the heatsink and SSD) Honestly Im not sure what sony was thinking there with that slot, there is no way in hell those little razer blade sized slits would allow any sort of airflow.
Point of order: “Only 5500MB/s or faster drives are supported”…. in the Sony documentation shown, it says those speeds are RECOMMENDED, not that these are the only speeds SUPPORTED.
The thing is that I would imagine some ps5 games are going to be made based on that specific read speed, so if you played those games on a 4000MB/s SSD you would get stuttering in some really heavy parts, for example in rift apart during the whole world shift thing you might fuck up the game if you're not using a fast enough SSD, so while it's only technically recommended, I wouldn't try getting a slower one.
@@Marcus_8192 not the point. “Not supported” means: “put this in your machine and it either won’t work at all or if you have problems we won’t help you”. “Not recommended” which means: “sure, it will work but it won’t give you the best experience”. So whilst you, personally, would choose to stick with the recommended option, other people who may not be able to afford the recommended option might still prefer to choose “sub-optimal” over “no additional storage”, and being told that these options are “not supported” is misleading for those people.
I just bought the gigabyte aorus gen 4 with the copper heat sink thats rated for 5000 read and 4400 whrite for 130€ 1tb, the newer drives are almost 100€ more expensive
On Dirt 5 when it's talking about the frame rate, it's talking about the Prioritize Frame Rate mode for 120hz displays. So if your display isn't 120 hz or is set to 60 Hz then that option won't appear.
@@sheryarfarrukh8464 think of the following setting in games graphics/video, resolution, framerate limiter, everything else (shaders) and what not, image quality is that everything else, dependent on what the developers chose, in a game like monster hunter: world, it was shadows and textures
@@Nilmur2 I think they should have definitely labeled it 'graphics quality' not image. 'Image quality' includes resolution, image quality is everything you see on screen, where as graphics are specificly everything other than resolution. Like you said, shadows, textures, etc.
As a game developer it is beneficial to have a guaranteed spec, so you can be sure that if your game runs on one console, it will run on all of them... more or less. More hardware variations, more time spent testing on various types of hardware.
If you are a third party developer I doubt it would matter much though right? As long as the minimun speed the PS5 will allow is the same or higher than Xbox's 2,4 GB/s there shouldn't be an issue, I could realistically see some mid-late gen first party games only allowing internal or faster externals though.
Just one more reason why this is a such a bad idea. We're going to see Sony fix this awful design choice on future iterations of the PS5, mark my words.
Got a Ediloca EN760 4TB with read 5000 and write 4500 saw the same screen about it being under specs of PS5. Filled up about half of it and still no issues playing PS5 games on it. It does however take an extra second or two to load. But a 4tb NVME for $206 I'll happily wait that extra second or two.
you can also try hydrographics, it is a flexible alternative (you can print whatever you want on the surface) and there are companies that can do that for a good price.
Linus severely over-estimates the willingness of people to even RTFM to buy the correct drive, let alone open up, their electronics. There's a reason that we have a long ass half-century running joke that nobody knows how to set their VCR clocks. Microsoft - being the inventor of Windows OS - knows how utterly stupid their end users can be, and correctly judged that a memory card is going to save them tens of thousands of man hours of support tickets as well as dumb warranty claims related to installing a m2 drive in the console in a PC like fashion.
Am I missing soemthing? From what I can see it's literally just a piece metal that doesn't appear to be thermally connected to anything in any meaningful way and it is in turn just covered by a plastic side panel. If anything it's gonna act as an additional thermal insulator between the SSD and whatever minimal airflow might reach that space.
@@Antares-dw9iv from my understanding (keeping in mind im terrible at explaining) the ps5 pulls air through the whole unit and by leaving that hole uncovered it lowers air flow to other parts of the unit. Imagine cutting a hole halfway down a straw. If you suck on it, air flow between the hole you cut and your mouth would be higher than below the hole you cut. You might not fry you ssd, in fact itd probably be cooler than usual but somewhere else in the ps5 isn't getting optimal air flow and may overheat instead.
@@Antares-dw9iv basically creates negative air flow so that it gets cooled. Sony designed it that way so you definitely should put that piece of metal back on.
I watched a lot of these tutorials on TH-cam before I installed mine. Linus is exceptionally clear about the steps and gets to the details in seconds. There’s a reason LTT is on top.
Why not test a game that pushes the SSD such as R&C going through portals or Returnal going between biomes? The games you tried were cross gen so wouldn't fully utilise the speed of a PCIe 4 SSD.
How is the Spiderman game not highly dependend on the SSD? Seeing how it's a massive city that needs to load in and load out materials as he swings around.
I was looking for this comment! I was wondering where in the WORLD is the heatisink🤔 It will run without it, until it fries itself due to no way to disperse heat😏
It's gonna work fine just it always been on PC... It already has a built in heat sink(kinda) the sticker. It's not gonna fry itself,if it does get too hot,it's gonna downclock to not fry itself
@@cortex6065 typically m.2 ssd's run hot, this is why you see many running heatsinks as standard or on motherboards. The chips tend to like running at hotter temps ok but the controller needs to be cooled else it will have throttling issues or straight up die.
The Xbox Series X/S's internal storage CANNOT be replaced due to a unique identifier on the SSD. You can clone the internal SSD to another SSD of the same make and model as a backup, but there is currently no way to install the OS onto another drive. We have done our own testing on this; you do require that identification that is unique to every Xbox Series X/S. SSDs cannot be swapped between consoles either due to the identifier. We are currently unsure if it is a security partition or something else, but if your main SSD dies there is no way to replace it.
This was true for Xbox One as well FOR A TIME. But now you can use ANY drive or SSD in an Xbox One with there OS installer now. So I'm sure that'll change in the future.
I think he was referring to manufacturer repairs made. Microsoft should be able to repair the ssd alone instead of the whole board, producing less electronic waste and faster repair times. Hopefully in the future we get an option for independent repairs.
Yes, Microsoft should be able to perform the repair, but my place of work (SysQuick) is an independent repair shop that fixes several game consoles a day. I do expect someone to reverse engineer Microsoft's system eventually so we can perform SSD replacements.
5:51 - It's been designed so the fan draws air through the fins, across the SSD and out the other side. You need the plate to channel the air. You can just grind the fins on the heat sink down so drives like the Gammix S70 will fit.
@@gamenation93 yeah touts it as "easy" then doesn't do a recommended step... think of the difficulties a non tech person trying to buy the right drive and installing it with heatsink will face .. not an arduous process, but to many people who have never opened an electronic device this will be a daunting task
@@DaleSanger Basically. Daunting yes, hard no. But with him saying its easy then potentially screwing people over by glossing over an important step and then calls it easy blows my mind.
My ps5 screams at me every time I unplug. You have to completely shut down the power from the system menu and that is just a lot worse than a physical button on the console. Also every time the power went out (hurricane season in Florida) I was afraid my console would brick
@@bryanwharton6692 If you live in a power outage prone area you might want to invest in an UPS. I have multiple UPS for my PC and Consoles to at least allow for safe shutdowns.
Try it (the slower gen 4 drive) with Ratchet and Clank Rift apart, where the game is designed around having the super fast SSD to bounce between full game worlds in an instant.
It will be fine because ultimately, it's still a somewhat linear games. With some trick deployed. Not a totally full on open world games. We will have to wait a couple more years for a proper testing environment.
Interesting that it's not a speed requirement but just a PCIe Gen 4 requirement. I wonder what would happen if you used a SATA to PCIe Gen 4 adapter (if such an adapter even exists)? Would that trick the PS5 into accepting a SATA SSD?
Hell no bro. It requires at least a 5500mbs ssd. No data comes when close to that. No ps5 games will run on an ssd less fast then that. Hence why it needs to be a gen 4 m.2
@@leeeeni yes a slower gen 4 m.2. Not a sata. And while the slower ones might work you’ll get worse performance for any game running on that ssd because it’s not fast enough to do what the ps5 ssd does. Only the Samsung 980 can outperform the ps5 that I know of
@@darkhaven9119 theres also wd black sn850, crucial p5 plus, seagate firecuda 530, aorus gen 4, and sabrent all have ssd speeds that far outperforms ps5 ssd.
They went that route because 99% of them Won't fail🤷 how many past consoles had internal storage just crap out? A meaningless amount that's how many 😂🤣
@@mkratos17 literally up till now most internal storage were spinning hard drives, which are super reliable……. lol. I’m lost what he’s getting at here. I was just throwing a meme in the ring heh.
As much as I agree that m.2, especially in the PS5, is super easy for LTT viewers, as an employee at Best Buy I can tell you the average consumer will have issues with this and will complain that it's not simpler. The number of people I've had come in and not know how to even do things like pair a controller or check the power switch on the back of the unit it astounding. The general public is NOT tech literate, quite the opposite actually. People are relying on everything to be plug and play to such a degree they don't even know how to change their fridge water filter or think "internet comes from the wifi box" and doesn't require any subscription or ISP. This is the level the average consumer is at and I unfortunately think it was a mistake for Sony to assume people can do this on their own.
People who are *that* helpless won't be capable of installing the Xbox expansion drive, either. I've had toys as a child, that were made for kids, with more complex procedures required to replace the batteries. It's just a screwdriver.
@@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 but illiterates believe everything to be plug and play, which is what Microsoft made. Easier than taking the cover off of a console, which, believe it or not, people will fear in case of "breaking something" while doing so.
I like this approach of storage expansion Sony made. Allow customers to choose and use standard issue pc parts and not overpriced "Upgrade Kits". 02:03 I have exactly this drive in my PC. Loooooots of space to install games.^^
12:40 I am pretty sure Mark Cerny said the expansion also connects to the rest of the I/O block taking advantage of the compression chips and whatnot. Otherwise the performance gap would be too huge.
@@mostmost1 Any verifiable source on this? Something tells me no and you're just trolling, probably the fact that it would render the compression chips practically useless as it would make zero sense for games to utilise the compression if users can run the games off a drive that doesn't use said compression chips thereby putting the load on the CPU thereby limiting the game's potential performance.
@@Sevicify so these slower than advised SSD cards are working good because of the I/o compression chips? That magical SSD is a myth. It's just storage. It's not processing nothing and the cpu will be hindered in no way by this overblown nvme. We just saw smaller than advised drives running fine in this video. The verge even put a 3900 m/b drive in the PS5 and it ran fine. No noticeable difference in load times and game transfer times.
@@mostmost1 So you have no actual evidence of your claim then? These slower drives seemingly working fine is not evidence of anything except for the games not fully utilising the drive throughput, if/when something comes out that pushes the raw drive throughput to its extreme and these slower drives will quickly falter. The performance of these slower drives simply says nothing about the throughput potential of their I/O or usage of its hardware compression, and you're stupid if you try to argue it does but you do you.
Maybe the reason that you can't record and save images into the extended storage is because the system is always recording in the background so it needs the internal storage to do that reliably. That's just a guess. Nonetheless you should be able to move the data into it afterwards if that is the case.
It feels like a good compromise would be allowing you to use it like a usb drive, purely to store games when you aren't playing them, and use the accelerated read/write speeds to make exchanging data with internal storage a faster process.
This video helped me realize that I was running on borrowed time with the SSD I had installed on my PS5 (DRAM-less, HMB instead). Upgraded to a Corsair MP600 Pro NH, which I’d originally bought as an upgrade to my PC boot drive. Both my computer and PS5 should be solid now
I’m having flashbacks to the PS3/Xbox 360 generation of memory expansion. Sony: use a SATA drive of your choice. Microsoft: here’s our proprietary drive.
Omg thank you! I was getting so sick and tired of people complaining how "impossible" it is to upgrade the PS5s storage. Like guys, its a face plate, screw, plug it in, screw, faceplate, done. A lot of websites were making it sound like you needed to be an IT wizard to make it happen.
Actually, Sony told everyone at the beginning of the PS5’s launch that future faceplates would essentially be welded to the console, because people were making and buying off brand faceplates, and Sony took offense. You can’t fault people for not wanting to call their bluff with the risk of wrecking their console if it goes wrong. Some people panic bought the PS5 without getting a warranty, or were overly cocky they didn’t need it.
Main SSD storage on PS5 is soldered to motherboard. Used PS5s gonna have a lot of issues in future and OS can't be installed on secondary drive either.
It has been the best tutorial on installing the SSD in PS5 I have seen till now. No other youtuber talked about that ring to put in the corresponding slot in the videos I have seen. Now I just need a PS5 to try it myself.
@@g.period1658 Man I've seen many videos these last two weeks and I knew about the ring. And the funny thing is, if there is one constant in all of these videos, is that there is always at least one comment stating that "it's the most comprehensible one so far" and that is just not always true.
It’s videos like this that I’m grateful to have this channel. I’m expert in computers, but not bery knowledge/can offer “trail & error” test. Also, a PS5 & Xbox owner.
Regarding resolution you have two measures, one you might be unfamiliar with is temporal resolution (the hz or refresh rate). This, as you can probably guess, measures the frequency of data points or refreshes. We use this when describing things like the temporal resolution of EMG signals : ) this means that their slider of resolution vs image quality will be FPS vs pretty-value. Hope this helps!
That is right, but nobody thinks of the framerate in games as resolution. Quite the opposite, where reducing rendering resolution increases framerate. Referring to the framerate as temporal resolution will just be confusing for most users.
@@HappyBeezerStudios oh 100%! I'm not standing by it as a means of use as it's deffo confusing for most. It was probably just a game dev being pedantic lol
I had the video playing in the background, and when Linus started playing Spiderman, his voice changed so much that I really thought someone else had taken over!
It was so much easier a few years ago. On my Xbox, I got a usb3 external case and installed an older 500gb spinning rust drive. It's still going fine today, running GTA and outer worlds flawlessly.
Based on other comments here it looks like you can still kinda do it like that but you'll have to transfer the games to internal storage when you want to actually use them (PS3 could perhaps play off an external directly). Unfortunately external drives just aren't fast enough for direct storage and I think the desire for direct storage is higher than the desire to use external drives (unless you really like those long elevator rides and security scans).
Drive certifications could become messy if companies pull an ADATA and quietly change components. I still prefer the PS5's approach with the m.2 slot over the XBox Series' proprietary add-in storage.
You prefer spending £150/200 on an SSD that you are not guaranteed to work exactly as the internal drive even if it has the reads does it have the writes or IOPS in SSD terms? xbox made there expansion SSD identical to the internal ( that is what an expansion slot should be identical), not lets buy one and hope for the best not at these prices.
ADATA changing components on SSDs? Well, Corsair changes components on RAM. So your stick rev4.3c might be slower or faster than the 4.3b in one test or slower than the 2.6a in another.
@@gamerspeaks711 As time goes on more and more drives will become compatible with the PS5 and will be getting cheaper and cheaper. The expandable storage on the Xbox though being proprietary? It's not going to lower in price very drastically at all. We already saw this happen with the 360, prices for storage on that were getting insane at one point compared to the HDD upgrade you could do on the PS3.
@@Enclave.Yeah your right, but buy the time they get cheaper the life cycle of the console gets shorter so £200 for 7 years or £150 3 and half years means you have technically spent the same money. The real problem is can everyone wait until the middle of the generation. SSD in the console space is expensive and confusing for the average console player.
Hmm, the criticism is valid, but wouldn’t it make sense to wait for the SSD add in feature to be released in the official OS rather than the beta OS before criticizing Sony for not having a list of certified drives? For all we know, it’s what they could be doing right now, and just wanted to get the feature out in beta ASAP.
@@caboose22320 The beta version of the OS is the only one that supports the SSD, which came out recently. I do agree that it was long overdue either way, since it’s been a year since the console was released.
It's super easy to do now. It literally took maybe 10-15 minutes with some of that time dedicated to simply dis-/reconnecting the cables from the back of the PS5 and finding the little "how to" video. (I'm not a tech wizard by a long shot, btw.)
Its not that big of a deal actually if you are already more or less grounded to what you are working on... I mean you don't want to drop an HDD but solid state components it almost doesn't matter.
I just watched this and that was my first thought, didn't hear heatsink mentioned anywhere. Maybe that requirement was specified by Sony after this video was published.
That speed requirement might have a significant buffer in it. Sure it might not hit that (especially as it fills) but a slower drive would likely be even slower in the worst cases.
User friendly approaches are great, but as a proud member of the nerd community being forced to be more technically involved is much appreciated! Great video as always!
Here it is, the end of 2023, and I just bought a 4TB Nexstorage (basically Sony OEM) drive with 7,300 Read/6900 Write for under $200. Get 'em while they're cheap, boys. 2024, they raise the rent.
I'm just waiting for someone to create an adapter, and housing, for the XBS expansion card plug to NVMe. Also with these being AMD systems, I'm surprised StoreMI/FuzeDrive isn't utilized, keep the internal storage as hot storage, with secondary as the lower tier storage, this would have negated any compatibility issues; so much so to the point that XBS's expansion port could run a SATA drive via an adapter. Missed opportunity, in all honesty.
As the cards fall in price when more brands enter the market late this year, I'd expect to see two kinds of products, one much sooner than the other. The quick and easy one would be a simple switcher to allow multiple cards to be connected and quickly chosen between. Hot swapping cards has already been shown to work. It's just much too costly for most as of yet. A simple passive switcher would be fairly straightforward, like similar devices for game cartridges going back to the Atari VCS. A more complex and costly expnasion would be a device to accept multiple cards and present them to the Xbox as a single volume. The chip sets to do this with NVMe M.2 devices are widely available now but the implementations are pricey for PCs, which makes it questionable whether there is really much of a console audience for this.
@@epobirs Assuming the XBS expansion port does indeed function off of a typical PCIe x4 link, as is per norm of NVMe, I'm curious about the feasibility of bifurcating those lanes to be split between separate drives, as I don't believe I've seen this done before; as long as Microsoft doesn't have the same limitations that Sony has implemented. Similarly, that x4 link could be utilized as a SATA add-in card, allowing for mass storage; again, only if there's no limitations. Still a shame AMD didn't include StoreMI/FuzeDrive, maybe that'll be a mid-gen upgrade if these storage upgrade paths end up being a business success. It'll be interesting to see what happens as consoles become ever closer to their PC counterparts, they're literally the same hardware at this point, just slightly different implementations; I wouldn't be surprised if next gen is literally a fully specced PC with a custom OS.
@@xaytana The Xbox Series X/S storage slots are x2 PCIe lanes. This is why there is a major throughput gap between Xbox and PS5. Microsoft didn't believe the greater performance would offer enough benefit compared to the savings to be had from fewer PCIe lanes on the APU, board, and SSDs. RAID cards that can aggregate multiple M.2 NVMe devices are widely available but expensive. But they are out there now. A device to make several of the Expansion Slot card appear as a single combined volume would be a bit lower cost because it wouldn't need to aggregate the combine bandwidth of the SSDs. There would be no point since that would massively exceed the throughput of the slot. www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=m.2+raid+card&N=601357125%20100007607 StoreMI doesn't do anything especially useful for a console. At best it would offer fast caching of backward compatible games. It wouldn't be usable for native games which the SSD for the entirety of the game. There is also the issue of complexity that would be completely unacceptable to a console. (We've had discussions about taking a hybrid approach to reducing the footprint of native games by storing portions on slower USB external drives. This would be usable for games that made very heavy use of FMV, as 4K video will stream off a USB hard drive just fine. It is doubtful that either Sony or Microsoft would approve this as an option in a game, most due to the complexity issue.) Why would you want to connect SATA devices? A typical single consumer hard drive cannot come close to saturating the USB connection. A SATA SSD can exceed the USB connection's throughput but not by much and is substantially more costly per GB than a hard drive. For now, the USB ports have more than adequate coverage for slower storage. What may be seen in future models is faster versions of USB. Microsoft chose to support only the 5Gb/s Gen1 mode of USB 3.1, while Sony has 3.2 support for 10Gb/s Gen 2 mode. (Presumably the front Type C port supports the 20Gb/s mode but it appear Sony is more intent on using the for controller charging and possibly the next generation of PSVR. If they'd really intended it as a storage connection they would have put a Type C in back where it would be aesthetically preferable for most.) At the higher USB modes external SSDs get a lot more interesting despite their expense and inability to be used for native PS5 or Series S/X games. Getting a big boost for backward compatible load times and transferring native game to and from main storage gets more attractive as the cost comes down. The looming USB 4.0 raises a lot of possibilities, though latency would probably be a problem if trying to use a USB 4.0 SSD for running native games.
But I had Todo exactly the same for my Windows PC. Except it was a lot worse. Because I had to remove my GPU to access the screws for the heat shield. But then I had to remove my dark rock because I couldn't remove the sheild because of it, and then I had to put the SSD in, the thermal pads, pit everything back together. Boot into windows, notice the drive isn't recognised, manually create a partition. And open all my game clients and set default librarys. But then the client itself I want on the same drive. And moving the folder just confused windows with the icons and shortcuts. So I have to uninstall the client. Then reinstall to new drive. Then move games over. And then somehow some random driver stops working because lol windows Yeah Sony's solution isn't difficult at all and windows central need to get their head out their own ass
It is a 'mess' compared to Microsoft's solution just to plug it into the back of the console.. But that's obviously not the whole picture. I'll give Microsoft credit for not super overcharging for the proprietary drives especially considering Sony made a repackaged SD card for the Vita that was way overpriced and not even easier than just plugging in a normal SD card. All that said I'd rather be able to install my own drive.
And it isn't? did you watch this video's recap at the end? Linus literally suggests "Don't buy a large drive because we currently don't know where Sony is going with this." And he follows it up with "Until Sony provides more clarity, just try to spend as little as possible". In console hardware terms that is a certified mess.
Perhaps, instead of watching videos about things you cannot afford, you could spend your time learning some new skills that would allow you to make the money to then afford the things in the videos.
Details in rooms in Spider-Man is good, just because these are images, they are mapped using shaders. Same technique was used in latest Forza Horizon game, it requires 20mb of VRAM for textures and a shader program.
Storage hasn't been a problem for me yet because I tend to delete games that I've beaten or Platinumed plus I have a 1TB SSD connected through USB at the back of my PS5 just for PS4 games that are not "PS5 ENHANCED" and for games that my nieces and nephews are likely to play when they come over.
Also, you could grab a T5 or a T7 type external SSD connected through USB-C and still be far better off than any HDD. I also have had no problems whatsoever as I have 400mb/s download speeds over ethernet and games take 15mins to download instead of hours, so it's no biggie to just delete stuff as I finish it and install what I want as I want it. I will definitely increase the internal storage, but not until they release their master list and the beta is done so I know I'm getting something that certified by Sony.
I'm hoping, really hoping that sony will add an option to have the 2nd SSD as your main one, because if the internal one gets corrupt, you're totally screwed, but if the 2nd one can take over the role, that would be a great plus.
@@NecroFlex to be fair, my internal SSD corrupted itself during a power outage, and the PS5's built in USB Flashing was robust enough to fix it. I think internal SSD Longevity is the bigger issue
it would have been interesting to test a Gen 3 drive with a capacity within the limits. The drive you tested violated two "requirements", so we still don't know if a 2TB Gen 3 drive would have worked, for example. Also, the game of choice to stress test this would probably be Ratchet & Clank right now. That said, I'd be very hesitant to buy a drive that doesn't meet the requirements. While that may work right now, there will be a game that pushes what the system is supposed to be capable of down the line (just as with every other console ever) and having a sub-par drive then will probably result in issues. So.... I'll just wait until PCIe 4 drives become cheaper.
I'm certain nearly all PS5 games would run just as well on a gen 3 drive. But Sony's marketing has revolved around the PS5's SSD and they don't want it to be exposed as the gimmick it is.
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These SSDs are compatible and will play well with games like Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart, as long as they meet the speed requirements.
Even drives that don't meet the spec (older/cheaper gen4 drives) will still play well with _current_ games. But if you're buying a new SSD, the extra $20 - $30 for a drive that will meet specs and maintain its performance outweighs buying a cheaper, slower drive.
As games evolve, load times will probably become more optimized for high speed storage or in-sequence loading, which could be problematic for slower drives.
Gen3 drives are entirely incompatible regardless of storage size.
In terms of heatsinks, your drive will need one as per Sony's recommendations, since there's no airflow in the M.2 compartment in the PS5. Many drives have built-in copper heatsinks that are better than nothing, or will sometimes come with an additional heatsink in the box. Otherwise, even a cheap, generic low-profile heatsink from Amazon will help ensure the longevity of drives. It does need to fit within the space though. Full drive requirements are here: www.playstation.com/en-ca/support/hardware/ps5-install-m2-ssd/
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When is LTT screw driver coming 😁
I'm not here
Eyeballing IO performance is not really helpful... You could at least check some load times...
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@@shimchacko9133 prebutt warmed or not?
- "All you need is your SSD of choice"
- Yeah
- "A screwdriver"
- Yeah
- And of course, a PS5
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Bruh
They aint even hard to get. For me they drop daily around 8am - 10am in the UK
PS5 i would constantly go to local stores, such as Walmart and GameStop if you live in the US and nag them about it. I see xbox's in stock every time i go to walmart get lunches for work and sometimes a ps5 or 2.
@@alecvogel3269 there no daily drop where I am they just retail randomly and by the time I get one in stock I would probably have used the money for something else anyways, rip.
I was ok, till he said PS5. Then I was like oh.. and then I got sad.
Sony said that they would be making a list of compatible drives for the PS5. My guess is, it will be available after the beta program ends.
@@DemeDemetre well yeah, but I mean some people like having huge game libraries. In addition games are huge. Look at WZ 1/10 of storage. Only time will tell with newer games.
@@DemeDemetre please tell me you’re joking. Hdd on ps5? Lmaoo.
@@DemeDemetre the intention i see is that the internal m.2 interface is a faster, and more mechanically secure, interface than an external USB hard drive, especially further down the road in the PS5s life span.
@@DemeDemetre HDDs are not even compatible with the ps5. You’re either lying or have no idea what you’re talking about.
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I love how there is a tiny little chapter dedicated to Linus's drop skills lmao!
Bro I read this comment right when it happened
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Linus dropping stuff + screws etc. Makes me like M$ plug N play more so.
He has the best drop skills, makes me wonder if on his wedding day he dropped his wife walking through the door.
I love how any news outlet called this a hard upgrade. I don't think they've ever seen the lengths people have gone to to service their own consoles in the last 25 years. Gamers are determined folk
It's the same as a PS4 upgrade and I never heard anyone say that was hard
the hardest part of this is getting the outer shell off thats really it
@@lewanuva8158 ps4 was harder with more screws and usb drive to put Sony update on it
@@redassassian I upgraded a PS4 and a ps5. The ps4 is faster, getting the panel off is annoying
yea do not get how anyone can call that a hard upgrade, it is simpler than a PS4 SSD upgrade and that is simple.
“I’m Beta as fuck”
I died.
Came here to say this.
No you didn't
@@sangyoonsim why yes
Comment from heaven? Or… hell. Probably hell.
@@Dlutheran why no?
0:20 watching Linus push something towards the edge of a table while looking away from it gave me heart palpitations.
Lmaoooo
Linus is a cat in disguise, we all secretly know it XD.
@EmperorXtreme go dance with the angels
@@Ninjacool36781 It sounds like what a robot writes when he tries to make up a story
@@Ninjacool36781 He wont be for long. Don't know what's up with people dissing other peoples deceased parent for the sake of entertainment. It really grinds my gears on how insensitive people can be.
I really like linus's approach of clearly explaining the pros and cons on both PS5 and Xbox sides.
Simply just buy both
He missed a key advantage for the Xbox, its external storage is hot-swappable.
Hot swappable between systems too...so I'm thinking of getting a Series S for my room & just transfer the digital titles between rooms with my Series X on the 2 cards I have already. :)
yeah but mostly the PS5 pros...I put in my 980 Pro with the beta load and its amazing. Just as fast as the internal storage speeds. SONY killed it on this one.
@@moby1kanob Probably faster. Digital Foundry's testing found that read speeds were similar across the board, but that the internal storage was slower for write speeds (for drives that meet Sony's standards).
Imma just quietly watch this whist pretending i can afford an ssd let alone a ps5 lol
Hahaha..... same ☹
@@DemeDemetre that's not expensive either... get a job and save up.
@@xTWEAKMYSTERo In latin america 70 euros it is like, half the minimum wage
@@DemeDemetre okay.. save a dollar a day or something. It's not unachievable with that mentality. No need to tell me to shut up, when I had no idea you were under 18.
@@pedro4205 I understand it's rough in some countries.. but the answer is still to just try and save up for whatever you wanna buy.
Yeah that notice on installing a slower drive makes total sense. It'll work for most games so it lets you use it, but if a future game comes up that really uses the PS5 mandated speed, you'll just have to swap over to the internal drive. No biggie, totally makes sense.
Theoretically there shouldn't be anything wrong even at slower speeds, things just might load slower. I cant really imagine what kind of game feature would break from having slower storage, at most there would be obvious texture pop-in or lower quality textures.
Yeah but Sabrent top of the line SSD which is just as good as everyone's is dropping in price, you can get it for about $150 in some stores, and 180 on Amazon. Soon the others will follow
@@rolerroleris533 for 3rd party games yes, but first party games in the next few years will use the speeds of a 5.5 gb read speed in future games
@@Anukinihun lol i hope the "speed" cap is something that is not seen until the end of life of the system. it would be pretty funny if in the end you didnt need the speed... at all and the only way they could make that marketing hold true is by forcing users to have the "suggessted" m.2 despite the games not requiring it, which honestly wouldnt surprise me if it did.
@@mikeymaiku you will need it for games coming out soon like GTA VI, Spiderman 2 etc. From what I heard about GTA VI, the sandbox is going to be the whole State of California. I don't know if it's true but I believe it Because GTA V is huge
"Someone needs to put pressure on Seagate."
*Immediately Proceeds to use Seagate drive in demo*
I guarantee it's Sony deciding that pricing, not Seagate
@@kaukospots I think you mean Microsoft with the Seagate partnership. But yeah Microsoft probably decides the pricing.
Seagate loses their exclusivity license to making drives this November. Hopefully we will see cheaper drives coming soon.
yeah... the hypocrisy🤣
@@nph_ninja I don’t think you know what “hypocrisy” means.
Interesting comment at 5:59, recently I upgraded my ps5 and the sabrent rocket 4 plus came in a kit with a custom heatsink which replaces the metal heatshield inside and totally screws in place (neat solution), they even sell that heatsink seperately.
Sony- please buy brands we made compatible.
Linus- No
At least they might not make the same mistake as the PS Vita
It's about low specs not brands
To be fair Sony has let you use off-the-shelf drives for all it's home consoles since the PS2.
@@HouwariAttack which is a real surprise since they are typically very anti consumer, with their proprietary connectors ,different for every thing and memory cards that were the same on everything, it took them forever to get SD cards on their cameras
@@munjee2 tbf the PSP supported Mini-USB, the DS3, DS4 and DualSense all supported generic USB connections, and the PSP's memory cards were at least somewhat more ubiquitous at the time
@@megacherv yeah after there recent more open standards it's amazing, I have had quite a few sony handicams over the years (before phone cameras were good) and all four them had completely different connectors and batteries, and two different proprietary memory card (memory stick and magic gate) it's really good how they changed this for the better is what I'm saying, I would've expected them to go the way of Nintendo making everything overly complicated thankfully I was wrong
"Why would sony put out this beta if they didn't expect it to perform as it should?" Wow things sure have changed. I remember when beta testing something = 100% a glitchy crapshoot
Closed beta vs open beta these days I guess.
That's the "alpha" now, but even then, that's largely horse shit.
beta with actual users that have put money in the brand hahahahhaha dumb users.
You're memory is actually very recent. Back in the day when terms like alpha and beta were being created, beta meant almost completely finished.
@@Anon.G yup. Alpha is stability testing and critical fixes, beta is playtesting and major/minor bugfixes.
I upgraded my microwave with an SSD, now it makes popcorn in 5 seconds. Thanks Linus!
I installed an SSD in my microwave and it only will work when I read it Shakespeare
Same here but my SSD was so powerful it exploded. Lucky to get such a fast one.
I installed an SSD in my Subaru and now it's a Landover! Best upgrade ever!
If console moment
I installed an SSD on my bicycle now it's a chopper wooo!
As a Series X owner, I like the freedom of the Sony storage system. I think it’s incredible smart to use PC components to upgrade consoles. Microsoft easily could have done that, as they are literally the first thing installed on nearly every SSD sold! Additionally, the price of those seagate cards is a bit insane
I was expecting them to get a large price cut by now. I'm not paying $360 for 2TB of Series X storage when my 2TB PS5 compatible SSD was only $125.
@@faber3969 what ssd you talking about? Most gen 4 drives that are 2 tb are like $180 minimum
@@hungryy226 Netac NV7000 is as low as $100 while the XPG S70 Blade can go down to $130. I'm converting to USD, I'm sure it depends on your country.
@@faber3969 oh I don't ever consider those worth buying, not durable enough
@@hungryy226 How? The S70 Blade is considered one of the best options on the market. They come with your standard 5 year warranty and there's no valuable data on a PS5 storage drive. Besides, other SSDs like the SN850X and Crucial's P5 Plus have been falling into that price range lately too.
The hardest part of installing a M.2 ssd in a PS5 is to find a PS5.
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They're really not that hard to get if you're patient. I've managed to get nearly 20 so far (I don't scalp them, I've gotten them for friends and family and made no money on them). You just need to find a good stock checker for your country and be quick when a notification comes through.
@@lewisholmes9526 I swear I thought you and the guy who commented above were BOT comments since he said follow 'XYZ' person for 'ABC' stuff just like how you see it in the crypto bot comments. Also, you guys apparently use real names (your own names) which was made it suspicious even more (those crypto bots all have real names).
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DigitalFoundry has a great analysis of the M.2 performance compared to internal and external drives on the PS5, for people wanting a bit more of a technical view.
I've been building computers for 13 years, and currently work in tech support.
I'm reminded every day about why I shouldn't underestimate the general population's ability to look at literally anything, and cry "Too hard! Too much work!"
Yup. 3 years of IT Repair in store environment.
People are incredibly dumb and lazy.
I remember back in the day, A woman had 2, 5 1/4 drives. She came in cuz the cd she put in it didnt work. So after that she tried a 3 1/2 floppy in the second drive and it didnt work.
That was not a special day back then.
So do you guys attempt to teach them anything? I bet if you needed your house rebuilt and tried you would fail and need to call a crew like the one I work on amd we wouldn't sit around and call you "dumb and lazy" for not knowing how to do our job.
@@Silent_Shadow Yes, Just, that's overall the point of what I said. After attempting to show, teach, walk through, explain, etc. there is a general attitude of "Too hard. Too much work. Too complicated."
We're not just sitting here saying shit like "All you have to do is reseat the M.2 SSD, then boot into the BIOS and make sure it's detected. Good luck. K thnx bye".
@@nexxusty I think that's a bit unfair. People all have their own talents and remember that a jack of all trades is a master of none. Would you take the time to learn about yeasts so you can bake a bread or do you entrust a baker to bake it for you? There's a reason why YOU work in IT, and not those people you mention.
You should definitely put the cover back over the SSD slot, it's there to keep hot air from escaping into the rest of the system. There are exhaust slots inside the cavity that work with the negative pressure cooling design.
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@@unbearifiedbear1885 Your name is fantastic lol.
@@indigoburst haha thanks G - take care ❤
Yeah, knowing enthusiasts, easier alternative would be just to put some duct tape over it and be done. But yeah I agree that not adding holes to it without testing, they streamlined cooling a lot in later revisions.
I’m surprised people are complaining that this is too hard to install. IMO it’s about as involved as replacing the HDD on a base PS4.
These are people that are used to just clicking it in like the Xbox 360.
Welcome to society.
@Anna Sad
The thing is, I dont think many people that said it was hard were referring to the installation process itself, but how the openness of the choices (but still specific requirements) can make it easy to end up buying something that wont work.
Even that 1st drive that Linus installed is not actually following the requirements set by Sony, they are asking for the drives to have a heatsink, either one you attach separately or that the drive already comes with it (but doesn’t cause fit problems)
I ran into the same problem with my Canon camera, one sd card that was "rated" at a high speed, my camera said it was too slow, and another card that was rated slower works perfectly fine.
Spoiled the whole vid lol
Use a Kingston SD Card. They have one that is 480MB/S and it is not expensive at all....You can even bench test it with a reader on your PC and yes it does hit that speed.. I did it with mine
@@anthonylong5870 in my experience maximum write speeds mean absolutely nothing with SD cards. You want to check the minimum write speeds and their certification. Once that as card is in use it’s performance massively degrades. Hence why v10 cards are so dirt cheap, v30 is ok and v60-v90 and beyond get so expensive.
Also avoid cheapo manufacturers
@@Alecxace ye I think max write speeds usually mean "the write speed might possibly get this high but it won't almost all of the time"
Dont forget, to replace an SSD, first you need a table
And a swiss army knife that hopefully has a screwdriver
Why'd you need a table for. I thought you could build a PC in mid air.
And then unplug it before moving it to said table. I often times wonder how many electronics are killed because people forget to unplug them before using screwdrivers inside them
Livestrong bracelet for anti-static is a must
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When that first article came out saying the PS5's ssd upgrade was too hard, my immediate thought was, maybe it's just you...
Ikr? Almost every games media wrote that the SSD upgrade is too hard and comment sections were ful of ppl saying how hard it is and that they'll buy Xboxes now, but truth is, it's not hard and down the line it will be cheaper thanks to the normal PCI-E Gen 4 standard and not MS's dumb Memory Card trash
People with 2 hands usually don't write articles as a job
Journos be like
They just copy the information from each other, the first one to post about the info just get all the information stolen.
Well exception do exist.
From a general consumer standpoint (I'm expecting most of us are enthusiasts) even this degree of opening things up is too intimidating.
The test with that slower rated drive would have been perfect to see with Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart...would love to see Linus test that drive out with a game that truly utilizes the SSD for gameplay.
Exactly my thoughts! Spider-Man: Miles Morales is a cross-gen title that should play well in PS4 too.
Sony said Ps5 can use only ssd sony certificate(almost same speed everydrive). I'm not sure other slower can use it.
@@tazmako316 I’m not sure that you know how to English
DigitalFoundry already tested that game on a slower drive ... and it works kind of ok.
@Earthplayer The real gain in a faster SSD is with games that rely on data streaming. When games load the whole level into RAM it is not a question of gaming performance, but a question of how long you have to wait on the loading screen.
Thank you for including the step of needing a #1 Phillips screwdriver. You can make do with a 'normal' Phillips in every other case, but Ive found you really do need the one for that.
I really don't get what all the fuss is about! Sony *consoles* have always used the current indentured standard for storage. PS3 and PS4 took a standard sata 2.5" drive with height restrictions, sure NVMe has a much wider breadth of standards and Sony have gone with the latest standard, but it's still pretty simple of you scan the guide. Although I've seen a Firecuda 320 fitted and working, even though on paper it's incompatible. Thanks for showing how bloody simple it really is!
@@DemeDemetre ok?
Believe it or not the average console gamer had no idea you can could change the HDD inside PS3 and probably PS4. I remember there was a cheap PS3 Slim SKU with 12 GB flash memory that was intended for people who has spare 2.5 HDDs that they could install hence saving money on the cheaper console but a lot of people were hating on the console saying you can't fit any games inside the 12 GB, obviously missing the entire point.
Indentured?
*cough* Vita
@@Voltaic_Fire Contextually; something that works within pre-determined agreements or standards.
I think the main reason we don't have a certification process for add-on drives is because Sony hasn't fully tested the external storage option at launch, and is still testing now. There may be more specifications to check, and maybe a certification badge once all the science is substantially complete, and the proper drives do begin to proliferate the market.
I really like how he shows that u need to lift it up first to remove the cover, no other youtuber did that.👏👏
Me with a 512GB sd card at 100MBps in my switch: "ah yes, speed is important. Understandable."
Me with a 2TB NVMe with 1.8 GB/s read speed: "Ah yes, this game loads quick. Wait, it's still on the hard drive."
SWITCH IS GARBAGE DOE
Me with a 2TB NVMe "oh, yes, this game loads right up! Wonder how this NES would run if i actually install it"
@@YawnMK1 With NES you mean the Nintendo console? Most games were 41 kb, but the maximum was 1 MB. It would load instantly as long as you don't use a floppy disk (would need 4 seconds to load 1 MB, the 41 kb games would also load faster than 1 second).
@Gramini omg true same happened to me
for those wondering how it runs with the heat plate off, my 980 pro with a BeQuiet! MC1 Pro (which is like 1mm too tall) didnt go above 64c under load (running Returnal with a thermal probe in between the heatsink and SSD) Honestly Im not sure what sony was thinking there with that slot, there is no way in hell those little razer blade sized slits would allow any sort of airflow.
they rushed it, its obvious.
The same people who designed the PS5 chassis probably designed half of the "Air Flow" cases that Steve has to review.
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Point of order: “Only 5500MB/s or faster drives are supported”…. in the Sony documentation shown, it says those speeds are RECOMMENDED, not that these are the only speeds SUPPORTED.
The thing is that I would imagine some ps5 games are going to be made based on that specific read speed, so if you played those games on a 4000MB/s SSD you would get stuttering in some really heavy parts, for example in rift apart during the whole world shift thing you might fuck up the game if you're not using a fast enough SSD, so while it's only technically recommended, I wouldn't try getting a slower one.
@@Marcus_8192 not the point.
“Not supported” means: “put this in your machine and it either won’t work at all or if you have problems we won’t help you”.
“Not recommended” which means: “sure, it will work but it won’t give you the best experience”.
So whilst you, personally, would choose to stick with the recommended option, other people who may not be able to afford the recommended option might still prefer to choose “sub-optimal” over “no additional storage”, and being told that these options are “not supported” is misleading for those people.
I just bought the gigabyte aorus gen 4 with the copper heat sink thats rated for 5000 read and 4400 whrite for 130€ 1tb, the newer drives are almost 100€ more expensive
@@africanmixer did it work?
@@onetwo6039 yes the ps5 tested the drive and it gave a 5600 read speed and everything went well
On Dirt 5 when it's talking about the frame rate, it's talking about the Prioritize Frame Rate mode for 120hz displays. So if your display isn't 120 hz or is set to 60 Hz then that option won't appear.
Why are there 3 options then? If one means prioritise resolution then sure 4k i get it but what does prioritise image quality mean then?
@@sheryarfarrukh8464 Maybe lower resolution like 1440p but better graphics quality. I'm just guessing but it can be high on 4k or ultra on 1440p
@@sheryarfarrukh8464 think of the following setting in games graphics/video, resolution, framerate limiter, everything else (shaders) and what not, image quality is that everything else, dependent on what the developers chose, in a game like monster hunter: world, it was shadows and textures
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@@Nilmur2 I think they should have definitely labeled it 'graphics quality' not image. 'Image quality' includes resolution, image quality is everything you see on screen, where as graphics are specificly everything other than resolution. Like you said, shadows, textures, etc.
Nice touch with the broken glass sound effect panned fully left... its the little things with LTT productions that make me smile.
I thought, wtf has broken in my room. xD
As a game developer it is beneficial to have a guaranteed spec, so you can be sure that if your game runs on one console, it will run on all of them... more or less. More hardware variations, more time spent testing on various types of hardware.
If you are a third party developer I doubt it would matter much though right? As long as the minimun speed the PS5 will allow is the same or higher than Xbox's 2,4 GB/s there shouldn't be an issue, I could realistically see some mid-late gen first party games only allowing internal or faster externals though.
@@fenix_tx_1342 yeah, I suppose you could list that as a requirement on your game, but at that point it's not much of a feature for Sony.
Just one more reason why this is a such a bad idea. We're going to see Sony fix this awful design choice on future iterations of the PS5, mark my words.
Got a Ediloca EN760 4TB with read 5000 and write 4500 saw the same screen about it being under specs of PS5. Filled up about half of it and still no issues playing PS5 games on it. It does however take an extra second or two to load. But a 4tb NVME for $206 I'll happily wait that extra second or two.
*Sees Linus’ PS5 faceplate
Anakin Skywalker voice: “Is it possible to learn this power?”
prolly from dbrand
Taobao has a lot
dbrand, they made it for him
you can also try hydrographics, it is a flexible alternative (you can print whatever you want on the surface) and there are companies that can do that for a good price.
@EmperorXtreme Bruh wtf
Should have used Racthet and Clank it's one of the first that stream level in 'real time' with the drive speed..
I don't think Linus appreciates just how hesitant a lot of people are with opening up electronics.
Pretty sure he does and he shows it's not a big deal.
You don't even see the motherboard.
They’re rarely encouraged to. Most don’t even know about the Right to Repair fight. -_- It’s a damn shame.
I think he does...but his audience is mostly not those people so it looks that way.
@@Prodzick normal consumers do not want to open up electronics
Linus severely over-estimates the willingness of people to even RTFM to buy the correct drive, let alone open up, their electronics.
There's a reason that we have a long ass half-century running joke that nobody knows how to set their VCR clocks. Microsoft - being the inventor of Windows OS - knows how utterly stupid their end users can be, and correctly judged that a memory card is going to save them tens of thousands of man hours of support tickets as well as dumb warranty claims related to installing a m2 drive in the console in a PC like fashion.
Always put the ssd cover back when swapping out your ssd. That cover is required for the PS5s cooling to work correctly.
Am I missing soemthing? From what I can see it's literally just a piece metal that doesn't appear to be thermally connected to anything in any meaningful way and it is in turn just covered by a plastic side panel. If anything it's gonna act as an additional thermal insulator between the SSD and whatever minimal airflow might reach that space.
@@Antares-dw9iv from my understanding (keeping in mind im terrible at explaining) the ps5 pulls air through the whole unit and by leaving that hole uncovered it lowers air flow to other parts of the unit. Imagine cutting a hole halfway down a straw. If you suck on it, air flow between the hole you cut and your mouth would be higher than below the hole you cut. You might not fry you ssd, in fact itd probably be cooler than usual but somewhere else in the ps5 isn't getting optimal air flow and may overheat instead.
@@Antares-dw9iv basically creates negative air flow so that it gets cooled. Sony designed it that way so you definitely should put that piece of metal back on.
Or buy a sabrent ps5 heatsinks
Sony recommends a heatsink on the SSD. Some SSD's come with them, otherwise they are cheap to buy as an addon.
you can get one with RGB and then get transparent case
Then Sony shouldn't have made that stupid plate to cover them.
This. I personally bought the PNY XLR8 with a Be Quiet heatsink for under 200
@@infernaldaedra but you can't put the ssd cover back on
@@nexxusty the plate is there to protect the M.2 connection.
“Oh shit I need to use a screwdriver”, some people have screwdriverphobia 😂😂
I don't know if he got a promotion or what, but Linus letting Kyle out of his cage is the best new trend of LMG
was Kyle in this video?
I watched a lot of these tutorials on TH-cam before I installed mine. Linus is exceptionally clear about the steps and gets to the details in seconds. There’s a reason LTT is on top.
Why not test a game that pushes the SSD such as R&C going through portals or Returnal going between biomes? The games you tried were cross gen so wouldn't fully utilise the speed of a PCIe 4 SSD.
its LTT not people with sense
YES, R&C would be the obvious choice.
Check Digital Foundry test. Probably the same results with "incompatible" SSDs
R&C doesn’t use ssd so much, all that just advertising bullshit
How is the Spiderman game not highly dependend on the SSD? Seeing how it's a massive city that needs to load in and load out materials as he swings around.
Sony recommends a heatsink on the ssd.
I was looking for this comment! I was wondering where in the WORLD is the heatisink🤔 It will run without it, until it fries itself due to no way to disperse heat😏
It's gonna work fine just it always been on PC... It already has a built in heat sink(kinda) the sticker. It's not gonna fry itself,if it does get too hot,it's gonna downclock to not fry itself
@@Marcus_Taurus5 typically SSD don’t get that hot, but I guess it depends a bit on the drive.
@@cortex6065 typically m.2 ssd's run hot, this is why you see many running heatsinks as standard or on motherboards. The chips tend to like running at hotter temps ok but the controller needs to be cooled else it will have throttling issues or straight up die.
@@cortex6065 why would they need a heatsink it they didn't get hot?
The Xbox Series X/S's internal storage CANNOT be replaced due to a unique identifier on the SSD. You can clone the internal SSD to another SSD of the same make and model as a backup, but there is currently no way to install the OS onto another drive. We have done our own testing on this; you do require that identification that is unique to every Xbox Series X/S. SSDs cannot be swapped between consoles either due to the identifier. We are currently unsure if it is a security partition or something else, but if your main SSD dies there is no way to replace it.
This was true for Xbox One as well FOR A TIME. But now you can use ANY drive or SSD in an Xbox One with there OS installer now. So I'm sure that'll change in the future.
I think he was referring to manufacturer repairs made. Microsoft should be able to repair the ssd alone instead of the whole board, producing less electronic waste and faster repair times. Hopefully in the future we get an option for independent repairs.
Yes, Microsoft should be able to perform the repair, but my place of work (SysQuick) is an independent repair shop that fixes several game consoles a day. I do expect someone to reverse engineer Microsoft's system eventually so we can perform SSD replacements.
5:51 - It's been designed so the fan draws air through the fins, across the SSD and out the other side. You need the plate to channel the air. You can just grind the fins on the heat sink down so drives like the Gammix S70 will fit.
Came here to say this
4:11 I'll use a Swiss army knife that probably has screwdriver in it
If it doesn't then it isn't made by Swiss.
Dont forget the rivestrong bracelet to prevent static electricity damaging your ps5.
But first, you're gonna need a table
Don't forget to use it in mid air
you forgot to mention that Sony recommends a heat sink
I addeed a note about that as that was a massive glossover.
@@gamenation93 yeah touts it as "easy" then doesn't do a recommended step... think of the difficulties a non tech person trying to buy the right drive and installing it with heatsink will face .. not an arduous process, but to many people who have never opened an electronic device this will be a daunting task
@@DaleSanger Basically. Daunting yes, hard no. But with him saying its easy then potentially screwing people over by glossing over an important step and then calls it easy blows my mind.
It's great to see you guys do something like this.
What is incredible to me is that this vid was from a year ago. Now I'm currently beta testing a PS5 software update that allows 8TB.
He was right
Heatsink?
"Just buy a Samsung you'll be fine"
Is what I've told anyone who came to me for SSD advice.
The 2tb 980 pro is on sale too $369
Exactly
Yeah they last so long you're practically never going to worry about it.
Might wanna be a bit more specific, before they complain their 2" Samsung sata ssd doesn't fit in the hole.
"This procedure is completely safe"
He made all of the installing with the console plugged XD
My ps5 screams at me every time I unplug. You have to completely shut down the power from the system menu and that is just a lot worse than a physical button on the console. Also every time the power went out (hurricane season in Florida) I was afraid my console would brick
@@bryanwharton6692 kinda obvious to turn off the console completely and the unplug....
@@bryanwharton6692 If you live in a power outage prone area you might want to invest in an UPS. I have multiple UPS for my PC and Consoles to at least allow for safe shutdowns.
@@bryanwharton6692 It's not like the console takes a lot of time to shut down and boot up. I barely use the rest mode feature on mine.
@@burnmybread4985 yes definitely this. UPS is a must.
Try it (the slower gen 4 drive) with Ratchet and Clank Rift apart, where the game is designed around having the super fast SSD to bounce between full game worlds in an instant.
Digital Foundry did, it works fine.
It will be fine because ultimately, it's still a somewhat linear games. With some trick deployed. Not a totally full on open world games.
We will have to wait a couple more years for a proper testing environment.
@@Ersanven they tried it with a fully compatible drive that meets the specs. What happens if you use a slower gen 4 drive that doesn’t meet the spec.
Interesting that it's not a speed requirement but just a PCIe Gen 4 requirement. I wonder what would happen if you used a SATA to PCIe Gen 4 adapter (if such an adapter even exists)? Would that trick the PS5 into accepting a SATA SSD?
Could we, through a bunch of adapters, trick the PS5 into accepting a parallel floppy drive?
Hell no bro. It requires at least a 5500mbs ssd. No data comes when close to that. No ps5 games will run on an ssd less fast then that. Hence why it needs to be a gen 4 m.2
@@darkhaven9119 you watched the video? he put a slower gen 4 drive and it still worked.
@@leeeeni yes a slower gen 4 m.2. Not a sata. And while the slower ones might work you’ll get worse performance for any game running on that ssd because it’s not fast enough to do what the ps5 ssd does. Only the Samsung 980 can outperform the ps5 that I know of
@@darkhaven9119 theres also wd black sn850, crucial p5 plus, seagate firecuda 530, aorus gen 4, and sabrent all have ssd speeds that far outperforms ps5 ssd.
Ivan "Sony" Drago: "If it dies, it dies" - in regards to it's soldered internal storage.
They went that route because 99% of them Won't fail🤷 how many past consoles had internal storage just crap out? A meaningless amount that's how many 😂🤣
@@charlierose1708 Saturn is one I can think of
@@charlierose1708 k
@@mkratos17 literally up till now most internal storage were spinning hard drives, which are super reliable……. lol. I’m lost what he’s getting at here. I was just throwing a meme in the ring heh.
i dont even have a ps5 but im still watching just to see linus explain things
As much as I agree that m.2, especially in the PS5, is super easy for LTT viewers, as an employee at Best Buy I can tell you the average consumer will have issues with this and will complain that it's not simpler. The number of people I've had come in and not know how to even do things like pair a controller or check the power switch on the back of the unit it astounding. The general public is NOT tech literate, quite the opposite actually. People are relying on everything to be plug and play to such a degree they don't even know how to change their fridge water filter or think "internet comes from the wifi box" and doesn't require any subscription or ISP. This is the level the average consumer is at and I unfortunately think it was a mistake for Sony to assume people can do this on their own.
People who are *that* helpless won't be capable of installing the Xbox expansion drive, either. I've had toys as a child, that were made for kids, with more complex procedures required to replace the batteries. It's just a screwdriver.
nope, it's easy enough, it's a mistake for people to have become so dumb and too lazy to try to figure it out or learn a thing or two.
@@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 but illiterates believe everything to be plug and play, which is what Microsoft made. Easier than taking the cover off of a console, which, believe it or not, people will fear in case of "breaking something" while doing so.
The average consumer is not what you're seeing. The average consumer doesn't go to Best Buy for help with their electronics
I like this approach of storage expansion Sony made. Allow customers to choose and use standard issue pc parts and not overpriced "Upgrade Kits".
02:03 I have exactly this drive in my PC. Loooooots of space to install games.^^
Then again at least you know what upgrade kit you need, imagine buying the wrong drive and wasting money.
12:40 I am pretty sure Mark Cerny said the expansion also connects to the rest of the I/O block taking advantage of the compression chips and whatnot. Otherwise the performance gap would be too huge.
Cerny was lying
@@mostmost1 oh ok
@@mostmost1 Any verifiable source on this? Something tells me no and you're just trolling, probably the fact that it would render the compression chips practically useless as it would make zero sense for games to utilise the compression if users can run the games off a drive that doesn't use said compression chips thereby putting the load on the CPU thereby limiting the game's potential performance.
@@Sevicify so these slower than advised SSD cards are working good because of the I/o compression chips? That magical SSD is a myth. It's just storage. It's not processing nothing and the cpu will be hindered in no way by this overblown nvme. We just saw smaller than advised drives running fine in this video. The verge even put a 3900 m/b drive in the PS5 and it ran fine. No noticeable difference in load times and game transfer times.
@@mostmost1 So you have no actual evidence of your claim then? These slower drives seemingly working fine is not evidence of anything except for the games not fully utilising the drive throughput, if/when something comes out that pushes the raw drive throughput to its extreme and these slower drives will quickly falter. The performance of these slower drives simply says nothing about the throughput potential of their I/O or usage of its hardware compression, and you're stupid if you try to argue it does but you do you.
Maybe the reason that you can't record and save images into the extended storage is because the system is always recording in the background so it needs the internal storage to do that reliably. That's just a guess. Nonetheless you should be able to move the data into it afterwards if that is the case.
It feels like a good compromise would be allowing you to use it like a usb drive, purely to store games when you aren't playing them, and use the accelerated read/write speeds to make exchanging data with internal storage a faster process.
This video helped me realize that I was running on borrowed time with the SSD I had installed on my PS5 (DRAM-less, HMB instead). Upgraded to a Corsair MP600 Pro NH, which I’d originally bought as an upgrade to my PC boot drive. Both my computer and PS5 should be solid now
“The Xbox solution costs more”
*proceeds to install $1000 drive*
^
4tb
Yeah for a 8TB SSD.
At least he has options, it’s his choice lol he also put an 199$ one
#4. Xbox's approach leaves you open to your kids' friends swiping your removable storage with ease.
You have little thieves coming over?
@@HalfwayHikes my kids are grown up.
If you think kids aren’t capable of doing dumb things, you’re kidding yourself.
5:48: oh no, Linus.. you're not getting off that easily. We WANT to see you do this.
To save you 16 minutes: no, the PCI-E 3 8TB Sabrent drive didn't work. The "slow" PCI-E 4 2TB MP600 did.
I’m having flashbacks to the PS3/Xbox 360 generation of memory expansion.
Sony: use a SATA drive of your choice.
Microsoft: here’s our proprietary drive.
the slim fixed that.
somewhat...
Omg thank you! I was getting so sick and tired of people complaining how "impossible" it is to upgrade the PS5s storage. Like guys, its a face plate, screw, plug it in, screw, faceplate, done. A lot of websites were making it sound like you needed to be an IT wizard to make it happen.
Actually, Sony told everyone at the beginning of the PS5’s launch that future faceplates would essentially be welded to the console, because people were making and buying off brand faceplates, and Sony took offense.
You can’t fault people for not wanting to call their bluff with the risk of wrecking their console if it goes wrong. Some people panic bought the PS5 without getting a warranty, or were overly cocky they didn’t need it.
you guys know what's faster than ssd?
it's me skipping linus ads
The idea of an actual drive vs a card from Microsoft is much better. With the drive. You could pull it out and use it I'm another device if you need.
It's not better in terms of consistent performance and heat maintenance that's guaranteed with the Xbox option. Which is pretty big.
Yeah true, you’d have to reformat the drive and wipe the files though
lol! It's astounding how "delicate" he works with his hardware.
Drive is soldered on? Sounds like a chance to do a collaborative with Louis Rossmann again.
Has Linus ever picked up a soldering iron? I’d watch that!
Main SSD storage on PS5 is soldered to motherboard. Used PS5s gonna have a lot of issues in future and OS can't be installed on secondary drive either.
It has been the best tutorial on installing the SSD in PS5 I have seen till now.
No other youtuber talked about that ring to put in the corresponding slot in the videos I have seen.
Now I just need a PS5 to try it myself.
I noticed that too. Not one mention of it until I saw this video.
@@g.period1658 Man I've seen many videos these last two weeks and I knew about the ring. And the funny thing is, if there is one constant in all of these videos, is that there is always at least one comment stating that "it's the most comprehensible one so far" and that is just not always true.
It’s videos like this that I’m grateful to have this channel. I’m expert in computers, but not bery knowledge/can offer “trail & error” test. Also, a PS5 & Xbox owner.
Regarding resolution you have two measures, one you might be unfamiliar with is temporal resolution (the hz or refresh rate). This, as you can probably guess, measures the frequency of data points or refreshes. We use this when describing things like the temporal resolution of EMG signals : ) this means that their slider of resolution vs image quality will be FPS vs pretty-value. Hope this helps!
That is right, but nobody thinks of the framerate in games as resolution. Quite the opposite, where reducing rendering resolution increases framerate. Referring to the framerate as temporal resolution will just be confusing for most users.
@@HappyBeezerStudios oh 100%! I'm not standing by it as a means of use as it's deffo confusing for most. It was probably just a game dev being pedantic lol
That is exactly what most power-users are going to end up doing. They'll install the SSD with its heatsink and just leave the door off.
I had the video playing in the background, and when Linus started playing Spiderman, his voice changed so much that I really thought someone else had taken over!
It was so much easier a few years ago. On my Xbox, I got a usb3 external case and installed an older 500gb spinning rust drive. It's still going fine today, running GTA and outer worlds flawlessly.
Based on other comments here it looks like you can still kinda do it like that but you'll have to transfer the games to internal storage when you want to actually use them (PS3 could perhaps play off an external directly). Unfortunately external drives just aren't fast enough for direct storage and I think the desire for direct storage is higher than the desire to use external drives (unless you really like those long elevator rides and security scans).
Drive certifications could become messy if companies pull an ADATA and quietly change components. I still prefer the PS5's approach with the m.2 slot over the XBox Series' proprietary add-in storage.
You prefer spending £150/200 on an SSD that you are not guaranteed to work exactly as the internal drive even if it has the reads does it have the writes or IOPS in SSD terms? xbox made there expansion SSD identical to the internal ( that is what an expansion slot should be identical), not lets buy one and hope for the best not at these prices.
ADATA changing components on SSDs? Well, Corsair changes components on RAM. So your stick rev4.3c might be slower or faster than the 4.3b in one test or slower than the 2.6a in another.
@@gamerspeaks711 As time goes on more and more drives will become compatible with the PS5 and will be getting cheaper and cheaper. The expandable storage on the Xbox though being proprietary? It's not going to lower in price very drastically at all. We already saw this happen with the 360, prices for storage on that were getting insane at one point compared to the HDD upgrade you could do on the PS3.
@@Enclave.Yeah your right, but buy the time they get cheaper the life cycle of the console gets shorter so £200 for 7 years or £150 3 and half years means you have technically spent the same money. The real problem is can everyone wait until the middle of the generation. SSD in the console space is expensive and confusing for the average console player.
After installing the incompatible drive, now the PS5 is making weird noises at night.
That’s not your ps5 look out the window
Lies!!
Hmm, the criticism is valid, but wouldn’t it make sense to wait for the SSD add in feature to be released in the official OS rather than the beta OS before criticizing Sony for not having a list of certified drives? For all we know, it’s what they could be doing right now, and just wanted to get the feature out in beta ASAP.
Beta OS? Hasn’t this console been out for a year now?
@@caboose22320 yes and yes,
@@caboose22320 Yes and it's faulty hardware, I feel bad for anyone who paid a scalper for this dumpster fire.
Only a brain washed playstation disciple would say such things. I think u also would buy every ps1 game again, if thex tell you to...
@@caboose22320 The beta version of the OS is the only one that supports the SSD, which came out recently. I do agree that it was long overdue either way, since it’s been a year since the console was released.
It's super easy to do now. It literally took maybe 10-15 minutes with some of that time dedicated to simply dis-/reconnecting the cables from the back of the PS5 and finding the little "how to" video. (I'm not a tech wizard by a long shot, btw.)
Me: who doesn't have a PS5 but still bought a drive for the PS5
I got it but at what cost
@@magician1515 lol
Yeah I put it on my motherboard
Your roughness with the electronics always makes me so nervous lol straight whipping and clunkin everything😢
Its not that big of a deal actually if you are already more or less grounded to what you are working on... I mean you don't want to drop an HDD but solid state components it almost doesn't matter.
Please remember to read all of the sony requirements for the ssd, the ssd must have a heatsink to maintain acceptable performance.
I just watched this and that was my first thought, didn't hear heatsink mentioned anywhere. Maybe that requirement was specified by Sony after this video was published.
@@Ryan--G he used a heat sink the whole time
@@rochester3 My point was talking about it, sometimes need to spell things out for the less tech-savvy.
According to Sony's mechanical engineers, the cover is necessary to create a negative airflow that allows the system fan to whisk away heat.
That speed requirement might have a significant buffer in it. Sure it might not hit that (especially as it fills) but a slower drive would likely be even slower in the worst cases.
Definitely
If Linus doesn't drops anything in the video, it's been a illusion all time
10:28
"Resolution is fps I think"- linus this vid
User friendly approaches are great, but as a proud member of the nerd community being forced to be more technically involved is much appreciated!
Great video as always!
Here it is, the end of 2023, and I just bought a 4TB Nexstorage (basically Sony OEM) drive with 7,300 Read/6900 Write for under $200. Get 'em while they're cheap, boys. 2024, they raise the rent.
I'm just waiting for someone to create an adapter, and housing, for the XBS expansion card plug to NVMe. Also with these being AMD systems, I'm surprised StoreMI/FuzeDrive isn't utilized, keep the internal storage as hot storage, with secondary as the lower tier storage, this would have negated any compatibility issues; so much so to the point that XBS's expansion port could run a SATA drive via an adapter. Missed opportunity, in all honesty.
I've been thinking the same thing with XBS. If I was skilled I would try it lol
As the cards fall in price when more brands enter the market late this year, I'd expect to see two kinds of products, one much sooner than the other. The quick and easy one would be a simple switcher to allow multiple cards to be connected and quickly chosen between. Hot swapping cards has already been shown to work. It's just much too costly for most as of yet. A simple passive switcher would be fairly straightforward, like similar devices for game cartridges going back to the Atari VCS. A more complex and costly expnasion would be a device to accept multiple cards and present them to the Xbox as a single volume. The chip sets to do this with NVMe M.2 devices are widely available now but the implementations are pricey for PCs, which makes it questionable whether there is really much of a console audience for this.
@@epobirs Assuming the XBS expansion port does indeed function off of a typical PCIe x4 link, as is per norm of NVMe, I'm curious about the feasibility of bifurcating those lanes to be split between separate drives, as I don't believe I've seen this done before; as long as Microsoft doesn't have the same limitations that Sony has implemented. Similarly, that x4 link could be utilized as a SATA add-in card, allowing for mass storage; again, only if there's no limitations. Still a shame AMD didn't include StoreMI/FuzeDrive, maybe that'll be a mid-gen upgrade if these storage upgrade paths end up being a business success. It'll be interesting to see what happens as consoles become ever closer to their PC counterparts, they're literally the same hardware at this point, just slightly different implementations; I wouldn't be surprised if next gen is literally a fully specced PC with a custom OS.
@@xaytana The Xbox Series X/S storage slots are x2 PCIe lanes. This is why there is a major throughput gap between Xbox and PS5. Microsoft didn't believe the greater performance would offer enough benefit compared to the savings to be had from fewer PCIe lanes on the APU, board, and SSDs.
RAID cards that can aggregate multiple M.2 NVMe devices are widely available but expensive. But they are out there now. A device to make several of the Expansion Slot card appear as a single combined volume would be a bit lower cost because it wouldn't need to aggregate the combine bandwidth of the SSDs. There would be no point since that would massively exceed the throughput of the slot.
www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=m.2+raid+card&N=601357125%20100007607
StoreMI doesn't do anything especially useful for a console. At best it would offer fast caching of backward compatible games. It wouldn't be usable for native games which the SSD for the entirety of the game. There is also the issue of complexity that would be completely unacceptable to a console. (We've had discussions about taking a hybrid approach to reducing the footprint of native games by storing portions on slower USB external drives. This would be usable for games that made very heavy use of FMV, as 4K video will stream off a USB hard drive just fine. It is doubtful that either Sony or Microsoft would approve this as an option in a game, most due to the complexity issue.)
Why would you want to connect SATA devices? A typical single consumer hard drive cannot come close to saturating the USB connection. A SATA SSD can exceed the USB connection's throughput but not by much and is substantially more costly per GB than a hard drive. For now, the USB ports have more than adequate coverage for slower storage.
What may be seen in future models is faster versions of USB. Microsoft chose to support only the 5Gb/s Gen1 mode of USB 3.1, while Sony has 3.2 support for 10Gb/s Gen 2 mode. (Presumably the front Type C port supports the 20Gb/s mode but it appear Sony is more intent on using the for controller charging and possibly the next generation of PSVR. If they'd really intended it as a storage connection they would have put a Type C in back where it would be aesthetically preferable for most.) At the higher USB modes external SSDs get a lot more interesting despite their expense and inability to be used for native PS5 or Series S/X games. Getting a big boost for backward compatible load times and transferring native game to and from main storage gets more attractive as the cost comes down. The looming USB 4.0 raises a lot of possibilities, though latency would probably be a problem if trying to use a USB 4.0 SSD for running native games.
"Windows Central" saying PS5's upgrade solution is a mess. Shocking
Microsoft fanboys will always prefer Microsoft solutions.
But I had Todo exactly the same for my Windows PC. Except it was a lot worse. Because I had to remove my GPU to access the screws for the heat shield. But then I had to remove my dark rock because I couldn't remove the sheild because of it, and then I had to put the SSD in, the thermal pads, pit everything back together. Boot into windows, notice the drive isn't recognised, manually create a partition. And open all my game clients and set default librarys. But then the client itself I want on the same drive. And moving the folder just confused windows with the icons and shortcuts. So I have to uninstall the client. Then reinstall to new drive. Then move games over. And then somehow some random driver stops working because lol windows
Yeah Sony's solution isn't difficult at all and windows central need to get their head out their own ass
It is a 'mess' compared to Microsoft's solution just to plug it into the back of the console.. But that's obviously not the whole picture. I'll give Microsoft credit for not super overcharging for the proprietary drives especially considering Sony made a repackaged SD card for the Vita that was way overpriced and not even easier than just plugging in a normal SD card. All that said I'd rather be able to install my own drive.
And it isn't? did you watch this video's recap at the end?
Linus literally suggests "Don't buy a large drive because we currently don't know where Sony is going with this." And he follows it up with "Until Sony provides more clarity, just try to spend as little as possible".
In console hardware terms that is a certified mess.
@@orielsy you must have missed the whole point of this is all in beta. Obviously once out of beta, all the needed info will be officially revealed
Another episode of ‘Things I could not afford but still watch anyway’ videos.
just get money
@@0cto_pulse917 Still working on getting my foie gras bust of Albert Einstein first…
You can also install a 256GB SSD, you can find those pretty cheap.
Perhaps, instead of watching videos about things you cannot afford, you could spend your time learning some new skills that would allow you to make the money to then afford the things in the videos.
Details in rooms in Spider-Man is good, just because these are images, they are mapped using shaders. Same technique was used in latest Forza Horizon game, it requires 20mb of VRAM for textures and a shader program.
Storage hasn't been a problem for me yet because I tend to delete games that I've beaten or Platinumed plus I have a 1TB SSD connected through USB at the back of my PS5 just for PS4 games that are not "PS5 ENHANCED" and for games that my nieces and nephews are likely to play when they come over.
Also, you could grab a T5 or a T7 type external SSD connected through USB-C and still be far better off than any HDD.
I also have had no problems whatsoever as I have 400mb/s download speeds over ethernet and games take 15mins to download instead of hours, so it's no biggie to just delete stuff as I finish it and install what I want as I want it.
I will definitely increase the internal storage, but not until they release their master list and the beta is done so I know I'm getting something that certified by Sony.
Microsoft: Yeah you can replace your drive
Sony: Ayyy soldered memory goes brrrrrr
Also Sony: You can add an additional SSD though
I'm hoping, really hoping that sony will add an option to have the 2nd SSD as your main one, because if the internal one gets corrupt, you're totally screwed, but if the 2nd one can take over the role, that would be a great plus.
Or to use the second one solely for video capture, that needs to be an option so there is no potential for hiccups/lag spikes during gameplay.
@@NecroFlex to be fair, my internal SSD corrupted itself during a power outage, and the PS5's built in USB Flashing was robust enough to fix it. I think internal SSD Longevity is the bigger issue
@@NigelMelanisticSmith Sony cutting corners yet again... It would've cost them pennies to use a slotted drive instead.
@@NigelMelanisticSmith that's what i meant, that if the internal ones dies you'll still be able to use the console just fine with the secondary ssd.
it would have been interesting to test a Gen 3 drive with a capacity within the limits. The drive you tested violated two "requirements", so we still don't know if a 2TB Gen 3 drive would have worked, for example.
Also, the game of choice to stress test this would probably be Ratchet & Clank right now.
That said, I'd be very hesitant to buy a drive that doesn't meet the requirements. While that may work right now, there will be a game that pushes what the system is supposed to be capable of down the line (just as with every other console ever) and having a sub-par drive then will probably result in issues. So.... I'll just wait until PCIe 4 drives become cheaper.
Some other TH-camr(s) already tested gen3. The PS5 will NOT recognize the drive.
I'm certain nearly all PS5 games would run just as well on a gen 3 drive. But Sony's marketing has revolved around the PS5's SSD and they don't want it to be exposed as the gimmick it is.
Aldo anothers TH-camrs usign gen 3 under 256 GB, And now he using a 8TB , Its looks they try to HIDE It , smell fishy 💲
@@poorsvids4738 It's been proved to not be a gimmick.
@@Razumen Has it though?
I did an SSD upgrade in my PS5 and a friends and it’s so easy. “Looks messy” must have been said by some Xbox fanboy.