Xbox Series X: What's The Best SSD Option For Back Compat Xbox Games?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ค. 2024
- Do you really need to use the precious storage space of the Xbox Series X internal drive for running backwards compatible games? Or will standard SSDs connected via USB still do a good job? In this video, Rich runs a range of Xbox One X titles on the internal drive and stacks them up against SATA, NVMe and mechanical hard drive alternatives. The results are fascinating!
BTW Rich says here that a PCIe 4.0 NVMe is essential for PC gaming - he misspoke here: a good SATA drive is still great in the here and now!
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Can't wait for the full review/analyis of PS5/XSX games. This is going to be interesting.
By paper people no the results but in reality who knows.
Waiting for a nice western media hands on for the PS5 that looks at back compat and UI
SHARP SHOOTER I really don’t think that’s going to happen. The Japanese dudes weren’t even allowed to touch the ps5
@@Wickedroonz One way or the other it will happen. It's just a matter of time. Even if Sony doesn't send reviewers units to review channels will get their hands on it when it comes out. Just a matter of time.
@@Wickedroonz I found a little worrying how Sony has handled its PS5 access to media outlets while on the other hand MS has been given away review units. Yes, there may be limitations but at least they were confident enough in their product months in advance. I don't think the PS5 is going to flop but at times it feels needlessly restricting, specially in this day an age.
This video gets more and more useful as time passes.
Very true indeed
This is exactly what we have been finding. VERY interesting stuff
Yo man. nice to see you here. waiting for your review.
Bruv, do you even have the series x ?? Or is it sarcasm ??
So essentially buy a SATA SSD?
@@MrKenzoLP No no don't buy a SATA 3 ssd it's just for backward compatible games with next gen games difference between SATA and expansion card is night and day (price difference is very narrow) if you want to store games on something cheap hdd drives are a great combination of value and size but sata drives are nonsense to buy in 2020 that sata drive is 140$ at the cheapest option you can buy a 8tb seagate barracuda drive with 3.5" hdd enclosure with 140$ and wait for expansion card to go cheaper when you need extra space for next gen games
@@MrKenzoLP
For backwards compatible yes.
Team GX2 1TB is some 80$.
Not much slower than Samsung 870 QVO.
Just Cause 3 NEEDS to be tested on Ps5 and Series X. That game is the holy grail of framedrops.
It'll give you 1 frame more
It's shit on pc too lol, stutters like crazy as well
Really, my pc does solid 1080p120 on that game, one of my favorites.
Dark Souls would like to have a word with you.
@@MrEditsCinema
Even my RX580 gets over 60fps at 1440p.
Lol, Rich, you can tell he's like a 5yr old kid again on Christmas Eve, when new gen consoles are about to land...
I can relate! Anyone who is a tech enthusiast is always excited when new tech comes out!
Imagine the dissapointment of kids getting the one X or one s because of that stupid naming convention
In a sense, yes. On their stream, they noted how busy and stressful the launch of muliple consoles can be.
They're probably the best TH-cam gaming tech channel and deserve this growth.
Hopefully this coming launch season will be even better for them.
@@conyo985 It is exciting. I'm not getting either consoles but am excited to learn more about them.
Tristan The vr Gamecat imagine the parents being stupid and not researching first
So. External ssd via usb for old titles and install on “internal” for next-gen titles?
yes
Or just buy the expansion card which can also run next gen games
yes this probably the best solution
Buy expansion for next gen titles and external ssd for back compact since ssd sata are way cheaper.
From what i learned you can still store next gen games on an external buy youll want to run them off the proprietary card drive or the internal drive
Wife: What are you plugging in?
Me: Um. My COD drive.
@ateb3 More like N64 cartridges
MyChannel exactly. And for those of us with long memories, Nintendo chose to stick with cartridges for N64 for exactly this reason - load times. Optical discs eventually won out for capacity but now we are back to solid state memory... and capacity is still the challenge.
@@ReallyBigBadAndy76 Man, just think if we were dependant on load times based off reading the disc like we were with PS1 and PS2 era. It would take 30 minutes for that FF15 save to load 😄
Who else remembers the "RAM" expansion for the N64? Dating myself a bit. lol
@@danbooke2001 If yoy go back and play PS1 games the loads times really aren't that bad, people just weren't used to the concept yet. 8th gen has way worse load times, crash and spyro remakes for example have load times nearly double the originals.
One thing to keep an eye out for when buying the SATA-USB adapters is to find one that supports UASP. That probably explains why the cheap offbrand adapter was slower than the Sabrent adapter. UASP is an optional part of the USB 3 standard and Microsoft never officially stated whether any Xbox console supported UASP but it would help explain the improved speeds with the Sabrent adapter.
I have an enclosure like you mentioned for a HDD. It’s flawless with the Seagate. So I’m ordering another one for 11 bucks with the 870. Ordering this for my Series S.
@@alejandrotobienne4288 Might I ask what enclosure you're using?
Despite Richard's very clear disclaimer that none of these drives are taking advantage of the Velocity Architecture, which is basically required to get the most out of the internal SSD, I don't see it taking long for people (or sites that don't understand things) to start saying "the SSD in the Series X is no faster than a normal external one".
I dunno maybe this time I'll be surprised. Either way, I'm glad how clear Richard was about this in the video - it's amazing how often this stuff gets misquoted and taken out of context.
I am confused how is the internal Microsoft one not using the architecture? They didn't put it in the slot? If they did then how could they stop it from using the architecture?
@@SIPEROTH lol, the game needs to be written for it or at least setup to exploit some of its advantages.
@@SIPEROTH I don't have super deep or precise knowledge of this so hopefully someone more knowledgeable on the matter can step in and better explain or correct me, but as I understand it, load times aren't exclusively made up of just pulling assets from storage. The assets are probably coming in very fast but it's going to bottlenecked elsewhere. I imagine in part this will come from the fact that games won't have been designed to take advantage of the hardware accelerated nature of the Velocity Architecture meaning that while IO operations themselves are likely hardware accelerated, the fact the game's code is unaware of it means it won't be running all the non-asset-loading stuff in parallel. So you're seeing some advantage of the raw speed of the new NVMe but as we can't see explicitly what's happening under the covers during a load screen, the actual speed of the "loading assets from storage" part is being masked by other things.
On top of that games that are aware of VA that can fully take advantage of it will have been designed with it in mind. Yeah, they'll obviously get some natural advantage from the faster raw IO, but they'll also be able to benefit from the hardware accelerated decompression (meaning a) the CPU doesn't have to get involved and b) they can effectively load data much more quickly the raw IO speed of the NVMe would indicate). Also because they'll be pulling assets in so fast, there's less of a need to load everything up front - they can rely on that crazy speed to load things on the fly.
@@RichardLarge88 after reading all that i forgot what you was even asking
@@SIPEROTH Games need to be built with the Velocity Architecture in mind to take advantage off it. Optimized for Series X.
As always, DF providing a valuable insight into something more overlooked by everyone
I was asking my self this question, didn't think anyone would answer it this fast. But this DF did.
@@alterbr33d Same, honestly thought I'd have to wait to get an answer after the console came in lol
Backwards compatibility is so awesome. It’s what keeps me on Xbox. I love playing old games like Red Ded Redemption or Fallout 3 with improved visuals and performance.
I think I might have the clue for the disparities in performance. When writing a huge amount of data into the SSD (170 GB Call of Duty) the limitations of the "value oriented" 870 QVO appear. While it has DRAM, unlike other cheap SATA SSD's, it has only so much fast SLC cache (apparently 78 GB) and when that is exhausted the writing speed dramatically drops, even below USB max speed. That's because the main storage is kicking in, and it's of the slow QLC type (4 bits per cell). Instead, the Samsung pm961 NVME makes use of the older, less dense, but faster TLC NAND memory (3 bits per cell).
When writing smaller amounts of data, or when reading, this problem is less apparent. In fact, I speculate the reason for faster loading times with the SATA SSD might be the interface: NVME is a faster but different protocol, whereas the conversion between SATA and USB protocols is more straightforward as far as I know. Needless to say, when loading a game the sequential speed is capped by the USB 3.1, and not the SSD's be them SATA or NVME.
You said a whole bunch of nothing
@@sleasy01 Not if you have an IQ above the single digits.
@@souljastation5463 you're just as bad as the OP
@@sleasy01 lol what are you talking about? Why would you just advertise how stupid you are? I don't get it. His explanations make perfect sense to anyone who understands the topic.
@@chettlar212 he's asking a fool out of himdelf.
Can’t believe we’ve only just barely reached 1M. Congrats nonetheless!
"we've", you mean "you've".
We?
What do you mean "we"?
@@adds-kz3oc It's not that uncommon to refer a group that you (fanatically)support as we. No one says they've won their team wins.
MertensCW same dude. People sleeping on the quality content.
This is definitely really great news. I've already filled up my Series X internal SSD with load intensive back compat games but a cheap SATA drive will help save so much space on the internal SSD. It's too bad though that some Series X optimized backwards compatible games like Gears 5 still requires the internal SSD while other Series X optimized back compat games like Halo MCC do not.
So is there any possible option to set up the Series S/X to automatically install all possible games to the external SATA SSD?
We're you able to connect your SATA ssd drive to the rear of the Series X or was it working to connect in thr front of the console ?
@@pweyot were you able to connect your SATA ssd drive to the rear of the Series X or only the front of the console ?
So MCC can be played of a SSD?
@@76_SPZL if it's optimized just keep it on internal ssd. It benefits all games even non optimized games. Extremely noticeable in the witcher 3. (Not optimized.)
I love how clear and in depth these videos are. Thank you so much and keep up the fantastic work!
5:22 Richard is clearly distraught about Modern Warfare’s “hilarious” storage size
Screw digital foundry they used the slowest Hard Drive possible 5,400rpm? why? Use 7,200rpm at least.
@@vitalsignscritical Because in the form factor they showed, it's the most common and affordable? So I guess since they used a more common and standard speed spinner, they should be cancelled now? lol
@@TroutButter You can easily get 2.5 7,200rpm drives. 5,400 isn't standard speed, maybe was in 2005.
Vital Signs Critical Things, the internal drive for the One X is 5400 RPM, which is the fastest current gen condole. So obviously, they are using that to see how much compute makes a difference to R/W with drive speed parity across gen. Also, chill out man, it’s just fun and games.
He should see the PC’s 260gb install size, freakin insane.
"Blows long and hard on the sad trombone"
Rich where do you get these.... hahaha
@Christina Crouch Damn, you laughed your ass all the way off off :O
I could, but I haven't played a trombone since like 2001. hahaha
I heard the games work better if you blow on them 😂
Man when we finally start getting games that are optimized for the nvme drives it’s gonna be amazing.
I wonder if PC will ever get games optimised for NVME
@@YourPalHDee it will. Direct storage(Xbox series x implementation) will be ported to windows 10.
@@YourPalHDee Yes its going to be the same with PC. If you look at Cyberpunk's Steam page it requires an SSD. Eventually the SSD's will be come the mainstream thing which if I'm honest it has been the case in PC gaming for quite some time but eventually new games will require an SSD to operate properly.
@@TerraWare betting velocity architecture is going to be faster on the series x over a PC with a similar NVMe drive. Optimization matters.
@@Ali-Sensei source? How do they account for low level hardware differences? This isn't application layer so porting isn't what you think it is.
Congrats on the 1 million subs, thanks for this comparison I now know what to do with my old games and when I'll want to get the Series expansion SSD.
Indeed I did make it to the end of this video. Just as I do with every video!
And huge congratulations on the 1M, DF. Proud to say I've been watching for a little over 5 years.
You guys at DF deserve it. It’s so great to see someone tackle the technical side of things when they’re often the most important factor!
Xsx is a beast of a console, man I wish I could get my hands one right now! Xbox for life
@Binod Tharu he's not sorry. Microsoft has more studios than Sony now
@@yuhc77 ignore the little virgin
@Binod Tharu I'm more history on playstation than you. I owned every single console and still have 2 ps4, 99% of the exclusives games are single player only, the vast majority of people is always in multiplayer games and my xbox one X is the best option for that, better graphics, very fast, smooth and quiet while gaming on 4k on my 90" tv. What history are you talking about? My 2 ps4 are loud af, slow network cards, slow interface, shitty browser, you can't storage clips on the cloud without editing them first, on xbox you can record clips and share them anywhere instantly, even through messages to your xbox friends, ps4 won't allow you to that either. Where's the history other than the exclusive games on ps4? And I finished hundred of exclusive games any console on the hardest difficultly
@@yuhc77 WRONG! majority if people prefer masterpiece sony titles regardless if they're single player. Why do you think the ps4 demolished xbox 1 3:1 in sales? Because quality beats quantity any day. You and your friends prefer multiplayer and that's good on you man! No hate but the majority of consumers prefer amazing storytelling and gameplay.
@@exanthus9131 I already finished every exclusive master piece, even Japanese games on my 6.72 ps4, but that doesn't mean xbox can not produce master pieces with 23 studios, that's all I'm saying. Cheers 🤘
Great content as always, 1 million well deserved!
You guys always answer the questions I have, well done.
I'm happy I bought my Asus ROG Arion. The RGB gives 5% extra speed to my SSS (SSD)
Hahahaha love this
I wonder if you plug it into the Xbox USB port, does it format automatically??
i have i dont like how rich used a lower nvme drive im using a much faster one with a WD750 black whitch is much faster then the one he used
@@usguyver It makes no difference in this case. Did you even watch the video? I have the same WD black you do and I've tested loading games from that and a SanDisk SATA ssd. When it comes to loading games currently the difference is a second or two. Running a Parkdale data test the NVME blows the SATA ssd out of the water but games aren't optimized for nvme pcie ssd's just yet. They will.
@@TerraWare and you're limited by the USB 3.1 port speed.
holy shit this is exactly what I need now. thank you Richard.
Really appreciate linking those adapters DF!
congratz on one million by the by! i believe i saw your first video in 2014 i believe...? been following slowly and watching for info so thx! richie from Reviewtechusa always speaks highly of you as well.
I use to wait 5 to 10 minutes for my Spectrum+2 and Commodore 64 games to load back in the late 80's ☺️
I thought it was longer than that with the tape drive, and praying that it worked 1st time.
@@azwanazmi1484 About 10 minutes per game, I use to enjoy listening to the music on the Commodore 64 while it was loading.
@@montygill2835 I've been getting used to SSD speed loading on my PC but I do miss the loading times because it was the perfect time to go to the bathroom or get a drink lol, hell even have a quick smoke in some cases.
@@TerraWare I'm glad the next generation is almost here.
Preach!
Another good one by Richard, I was hoping to see read/write between propriety external drive and internal vs the others. I'm glad you pointed out the CPU as well, twitter stay with the madness saying velocity architecture every chance they get
Thank you for this. It makes very interesting watching, especially as I've been looking into buying an external drive for Series X.
Thank you Richard and the digital foundry team for your hard work bringing these videos to us.
still waiting for news about of real storage of Series S, but thank you for all the videos about next gen!
For the price, I'll just use a regular HDD for back compat. The prices for all of the SSD options are too close to the Xbox Series proprietary external drive to be worth it.
Not really lol 1tb are far cheaper at around $100 plus an enclosure like $20 lol vs $220 from m$ milking the shit of dumb xbots 1tb nvme ssd under $200 for 1tb if your lucky can get a 2tb ssd for under $200 on holiday sales
@@redclaw72666 Not really, the 1TB Silicon Power SSD is about $75-80 (SATA drive) versus the $220 NVMe proprietary. Agreed though that trying to buy a comparable NVMe SSD like the 970 Plus/Pro is pretty much nonsense unless you find an amazing deal on a 2TB NVMe solution
If you mean the 980 pro 7gb 1tb yeah it cost 229 vs the 2.4gb ssd of the Xbox.
You can get a decent $80-$100 1TB SATA SSD that's way better than any mechanical drive for backcompat games.
@@redclaw72666 nothing in this video was that cheap. Any SSD that cheap is only marginally faster than a 7200rpm drive.
1 million WOAHH it's been such an amazing journey. So glad to be a part of it
Great video DF.
Congrats on getting 1m Subs guys, the DF Team always puts in really good work, so Achieving the 1m is fantastic stuff.
This is really interesting, all we need now is the Prices of the SSD's too Start too come down, which i think is gonna happen during the Lifetime of the SeriesX/S and PS5 also.
"Colossal", "Herculian" I love your adjectives
SSS=Solid State Storage.
Think he said SSD's,
solid' state' doridge
XXX with SSS
Great start to the video
Solid State Storage (Drive)
Not at all, SSD = Solid Snake Department.
Again you guys are putting out the best gaming content on TH-cam.
CONGRATS ON THE 1 MIL!!
I can't wait to get my hands on the Xbox Series X, such an amazing piece of tech.
Binod Tharu Is that how amazing sounds with a mouth full of hay ?
PS5 Cool, XSX Hot
@Binod Tharu Oof indiot
@Karl You'll enjoy it. Don't listen to the kids fighting down below over their toys lol
People still arguing over pieces of plastic and pledging loyalty to companies that don't give a shit about them.
Buy what you want and have fun
Thanks for testing this, I’ll definitely reserve internal storage for Series X titles and buy an external SSD for back-compat titles then:)
This was fascinating!
Perfect video Richard. Extremely helpful. Thank you.
This affirms my contention. Based on my experience with working with video files that often easily exceed 250GB the ability to edit and read that data the difference isn't massive between a SATA SSD and internal NVMe. The CPU is the biggest difference, followed by the flash/memory controller and the type of memory used. A drive with a higher sustained read rate will provide a better experience with larger file sizes than one with a slightly faster max read/write.
For BL3, the initial loading is apparently "building shader cache" hence why it takes AGES
Yeah, still shit though. Other games do that too and actually save that data so it doesn't have to be re-done over and over.
zombievac yeah I know it is, not saying it as an excuse just giving an understanding to people who may not have known
Do you know more about the first loading time? Would be interesting to know more about it. It’s way to long....
Philipp S all I know is that on PC it is generating a shader cache when you launch it. No matter how many time you play the game it will always appear BUT it will be quicker the more you play.
When it comes to console it’ll more than likely improve with more launches of the game on that particular drive but it may not be a great improvement until the next gen update from Gearbox arrives. Only time will tell
The FeeN_ thanks! Yeah, I play on pc and console. I can’t see any speed improvements after launching it multiple times on console. Maybe the cache gets discarded every time. Really bad solution, but maybe the next gen update will help.
Always valuable info from this channel. I love it.
I thought this would be boring, but (as always) you guys surprise me with great depth in your review
Looking forward to seeing what the Series X Enhanced back compat games do for the older titles! 4k Gears 4 and 5 with 60fps will get me going back for a replay!
Bro gears 5 was confirmed 4k 120fps
Cesar z no it wasn’t lol😂
@@cesarzepeda8291 - That'll be the multiplayer - pretty sure it's 4k 60fps for the single player.
Old games lol
@@billpogi23 - You have a Nintendo avatar...the absolute kings of 'old games'.
I wish Sony would put in the same effort with their back catalogue that Microsoft do.
So basically, the internal SSD doesn't actually seem to be that much faster than an off-the-shelf SSD, but the interface and optimizations used by Series S/X software could make a huge difference. For games that don't use those advances (i.e. OG, 360, and One games), then you can settle for an external SSD and be totally fine.
it's same where cpu is doing the most work
Only 10 sec slower on HDD load also. External HDD seems to better investment for old games. Not every game is this slow btw.
The internal SSD is a lot faster that the external USB drive. However the CPU decompression is where it's bottlenecked. Would be interesting to see velocity architecture in action.
And even more interesting would it be to see if the PS5's hardware decompression is active on PS4 games while loading from an external drive for example. I love this whole topic, it's fascinating.
CONGRATS ON ONE MILLION!!!
congrats on 1M DF, I wonder when something special is gonna be up for it
In the description the cased option says only supports 6gbps where as the sabrent cable is 10gbps. I do prefer a cased option but speed is more important to me. Is the cable REALLY dated compared via the sata in a enclosure?
So for back compats get an external ssd and use the internal console ssd for XSX games. Perfect!
I think for now I ll just use a external seagate hdd and transfer a few back compat to main ssd
I’ll be installing cyberpunk 2077 to the internal that will be my first game
thanks for the clear concise info as always 😍
More top quality analysis by Digital Foundry - Thanks for sharing - Love this content, prior to my XBSX shipping.
But the real Question is, how long does the Elevator ride takes in Mass Effect 1? xD
wait for the remaster
still long! i played it 1 month ago (video on the channel) the game was and still is installed on NVME samsung 970 evo. still slow!
This backcompat support really got my interest, especially with pretty much locked 60 FPS. Shame I'm poor af and won't be able to afford either console in the following couple years lol
I think,we can buy our PS2 now :D
@@rorschac_289 Brazil be like:
That's why x-cloud exists
Always better to play catch up anyway, cheaper games and any flaws will have been fixed. And personally I don't see any must have games on launch on either console.
Congrats for 1M subscribers. Great videos. Can't wait for your PS5 test.
This was the analysis i was waiting for. Great work!
INTERESTING AND CONGRATS ABOUT THE 1 MILLIONS SUB.
14:22 There is not a link to the sabrent sata adapter on the description yet.
$8.99 in amazon, make your assigment, dont be lazy.
@@acevedoaandres That's the slower 3.0 5Gbps version. The 3.1 version is 11.99
@@acevedoaandres $8.99 one is USB 3.0. Why not get the $11 USB 3.1 one?
i use orico USB 3.0 less price more nice.
My point was to tell DF that there was no link to the adapter mentioned on the video, and now was added, so this comment fulfilled it's mission. I am not interesed on buy one tbh.
Congrats on 1M subs! :D
Fantastic video as always!
The main reason the external NVMe and SATA SSDs are about the same speed is due to the 625MB/s bandwidth constraint on the USB ports.
The fact that Xbox cheaped out on usb bandwidth on top of using a proprietary nvme storage... pro consumer huh
@Kevin Smith True, but "no noticeable difference" only applies to backcomp games since internal SSD and expansion card work just like normal NVMe SSD if games is not using any advanced features.
Why there isn't huge difference?
You should watch Linus' video on SSD speeds to understand why there isn't a big difference.
Thanks, Rich. This is exactly what I wanted to see from you on this as I already use a 1TB SSD on my X1X and planned on moving it to XSX. It's a shame that they don't offer USB 3.2 (aka 3.1 gen2) to get that 10Gb/s bandwidth for externals. It would help that NVMe drive shine over the SATA one.
Also, I heard you mention how overloaded your 5 man team will be with the launches. If you want extra help capturing and/or analyzing the data, I have quality capture equipment, almost 60TB of storage, PS5 and XSX on order, an extensive tech background and a ton of extra time currently. Let me know if you'd like help. I'd be happy to do so even if only silently, behind the scenes.
he said it seemed that they are suing a better USB then it may be mis named and it may be 3.2 gen2.
I believe we'd see more performance out of a Samsung 961 NVMe drive if there was a 10Gb/s bus as the SATA drive is limited to 6Gb/s already and a 961 would max out a 10Gb/s bus on sustained reads (and I assume Zen2 is more than powerful enough to decompress data fast enough to not limit the load speeds)
shawn murray they dropped the ball on usb bandwidth while simultaneously limiting our options using proprietary nvme cards
Basically "USB 3.1 Gen 1" limits us to around 500MByte/s (considering the overhead being about 20%)... in other words about the same speed as SATA 3.
Too bad... there is no reason to use a NVMe SSD (i did it too btw) with an XBoX console.
I guess people can just get a fast (non QVO) SATA SSD. 🤷🏻♂️
Or of course the Microsoft's proprietary SSD solution. That should be limited by the USB 3.1 Gen 1 Interface.
Easily one of the best youtube channels. Ur passion amd knowledge is amazing rich
Great video. Thank you.
When the Samsung 860 evo released, Skyrim went from 30 seconds to under a second in loading times, and I could never go back.
Facts..I have two 1tb Samsung 860's
Under a second? Mine does take 5-6 secs? Maybe my mods?
PS5 : what just happened??
@@bingobongo1615 you could also be CPU or interface (motherboard SATA) bound. Performance is complicated.
Yeah I’m happy with satas fuck nvme lol
DF deserves more subs than those "tech reviewers" with scripts.
DF uses scripts too though?
Been looking for videos that show the real power of the next Gen hardware, I'm glad to finally find a Channel that can properly showcase that.
amazing explanation DF .
Can anyone test KILLER INSTINCT loading times comparisons?
Character loading was very long on Xbox yet on PC it was almost instantly. I'm really curious if just by nature of Series X we'd see an improvement in loading for that, as unfortunately that game is not announced as Series X/S optimised.
You guys rock! I was waiting for this and didn't think it would be tried before release. Thanks so much
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE GREAT CONTENT :D
Love these videos. New favourite channel.
I appreciate the characterization of the size of a call of duty install as being "hilarious."
"Blows long and hard on the sad trombone" -Richard " Hands faster than NVME" Leadbetter 10/9/2020
Congratulations on the million subscribers 🎉
Rich, you are an absolute G!
I love these videos when you're on your own, believe it or not. Don't get me wrong, love it when you and John team up too, or some of the other gents, but you know your stuff mate. This is why I watch Digital Foundry!!! :D
love that Rich described the COD file size as "hilarious"
AC Unity the true CPU benchmark.
GTA IV as well,cousin!
@@agentsmith6161 no more frame drops while bowling! Roman must be happy!
@@barathsreelal3390 Since patch 1.0.4 :) , I hope we will see the next version of Euphoria in the next Rockstar title for next gen consoles! I love Gta IV physics! Still the best physics for open world games to date! Better then RDR 2 even,for me at least!
On God
@@barathsreelal3390 All those beeeeg American SSDeeeees!
Very informative, thanks.
Congrats for the million followers!
*And once again, Xbox Series X wins.*
*Xbox is the best box.*
🤣🤣🤣
... wins what?
Gone are the days of having 30 games saved on my console, that I will never play.. As long as I can limit that, there isn't the need for a huge amount of storage..
Play it then Delete it. I guess most don't like this idea.
@@Mind_of_MATT me personally I hate doing that, unless I already completed the game 100%.
@@Mind_of_MATT it’s no issue for single player games. But if I want CoD, destiny, and ffxiv always accessible, that’s like half the storage gone already.
Seeing that 1 million subscribers count below the video... chefs kiss. The best console analysis team bar none.
wow exact 1 000 000 subscribers, congrats
God i LOVE Richard's narration
I have only one question over the years. Who are the blokes that put a dislike on these videos? I mean seriously. What on earth are their demands?
For real I always wonder that. Wish there was a list of those accounts.
I have listened to videos on my phone in the past where a stray touch screen activation has led to dislikes. That might account for a few but doubt it will be the cause of the majority
@@someguy7564 I can confirm your description right here. Even I myself rushed to put a like on the video but suddenly shifted towards dislike. But I can detect that and actually you can find that out straightaway.
1 million subs! congrats
Thanks for the content! I was very much looking forward to this
Thanks! External ssd with quality bridge all day! Also the tease “Testing the velocity archetecture on next gen games” looking forward to it like everyone else I suspect when the embargo lifts!
Anyone else laugh when he called out IGN for their 'slightly embargo breaking maneuver'? I think this is evidence that the SSD/storage in detail was under embargo, that Austin Evans video where he made a big deal about a gizmo that wasn't supposed to be there...that was just the Seagate Expansion.
Roll Cats
I remember when Ryan first posted his video without realizing he was showing the 802 GB lol.
Great video!
Wonderful tests - it's great seeing the hard data on this. The reality is that load times in games are a function of a number of factors, which, to keep this simple is a combination of loading assets into memory and initializing the game's code. Until the advent of SSDs and NVME drives, the clear bottleneck in loading games was the poor read performance of mechanical hard drives to load assets into memory. The thing is, and this is something many PC Gamers already know from experience, is that at some point pure read performance stops being the bottleneck at which point increases in read performance have a negligible impact on load times. This is why on a PC you will see few truly tangible differences in gaming load times when you switch from an SSD to an NVME drive. To use an analogy that I think is helpful, imagine that loading time is the speed at which a bathtub can both be filled with a certain amount of water and how quickly it can drain the same amount of water; so long as you can fill the bathtub with water as quickly as it can drain the water you won't finish the task any quicker than if the bathtub started the experiment completely full.
The point of velocity architecture and some of the same steps Sony is taking is that they are trying to get around some of the CPU bottlenecks that exist with loading assets into memory. Something to realize, however, is that even with such advances you still end up hitting a very similar bottleneck: how quickly can the other aspects of loading a game state be accomplished? This is one of the reasons I have been a little skeptical about the hype surrounding the PS5's SSD. Yes, it is going to be faster than the SSD in the Xbox Series X, but at what point have you hit diminishing returns where extra read performance really does little to impact the process of loading a game. It will be very interesting to see how these new storage solutions and I/O tricks impact real world gaming (hopefully we will see some backwards compatible games include support for the Velocity Architecture or the same on the PS5 side to see how much that impacts real world loading times). The nice thing about this is that we are all winners in this generation of consoles, as regardless of what machine you buy you should be spending a lot less time watching a bar tick up to 100%.
damn, "embargo breaking" ... straight tellin on them! lol
12:54 oh richard, don't ever change. 🤣
I've been using the Sabrent adapter for USB to SSD for years now. I salvaged a SSD from my old laptop, and it's been fantastic :D. Will be happy to be able to just plug it over to the new console.
Congratulations on one million subscribers😎