1:17:00 I loved when Stannis got the Infinity Gauntlet and the Avengers fought him in the Battle of Space, really paralelled his win against the Boltons in the Battle of Ice
I think the Brienne/Stannis plot point was a clumsy attempt to hit her big book choice, where she has to choose between Jaime and Lady Stoneheart. D&D chose to ommit LS and had Jaime messing around in Dorne, so to hit a similar note, and give her a reason to ever be on screen, they replaced them with Sansa and Stannis.
I think this framing is something that's been imposed by fans in a desperate attempt to find meaning in her meaningless plot. There was no choice to make, she made no sacrifice, choosing revenge didn't affect her ability to save Sansa even slightly and there were no lasting consequences to the decision.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 - To be fair, it wasn't a "girl boss" moment. Her goal was to kill Stannis from the moment she saw his face on the shadow that killed Renly.
I think it would be a mistake to have Stannis lose to Ramsey. 1- What purpose has Dance been? If Stannis loses, the northern/rhollor army is lost for Jon. 2- How is Jon going to win the throne? Only with savages? Is there time, and is it really interesting, a new plot to recruit the North? 3- How do Davos and Shireen fit into that scheme? What's the point of Rickon without a northern army? Are you really going to burn your daughter for the Boltons? The dilemma "A child in exchange for saving the world" loses a bit. 4- Can a Ramsey with no military training, an idiot, who has lost Manderly and Frey, who has killed his father (and dozens of others), and who is hated by his allies, win anyone? Really? 5- I think that Brienne's dilemma may be a reflection of the non-existent Jaime/Brienne plot in the Land of Rivers. And even if it wasn't, it can happen later with Stannis victorious, or defeated by the Others.
In fact, I think The Winds of Winter fits more with the structure of Stannis winning: JON: We see something of Ghost, something of Melisandre, and then Jon returns, organizes what he can from the Wall and goes south, maybe with the fall of the Mur? Along the way, a darker Jon, concerned about his Stark inheritance, may destroy Karhold and a Ramsey who will take refuge with the few remaining Boltons, a mirror of the scene of Ramsey's cruel death, devoured. DAVOS: A couple of chapters in Skagos, one on a return trip with dark news of the fall of Eastwatch and "dead in the water", rumors of savages rampaging south of the Wall... STANNIS: Battle of the lake, battle or trick of Winterfell. Management of the "victory", chaos due to the Stark inheritance and opposing allies, due to winter, fall of the Wall... I play with who is the prince of royal blood that Stannis is going to sacrifice to fix everything (The only plausible solution I see for a living Theon is that Stannis wants to keep him for Melisandre and a powerful ritual). Theon first as the obvious one, Rickon later as the surprise and difficulty because that breaks their alliance with the North, and finally Shireen as the true sacrifice with the arrival of Jon, who is willing to take the northern army for himself over Stannis and Rickon, and a Meli who begins to doubt. Maybe also in the face of the imminence of the Others. Theon escapes with Asha? However, if Stannis dies, when does burning Shireen fit? (something we are certain of). He returns with a few troops to the chaos of the Wall and there he decides to burn his daughter as the last option to win the Throne and before the arrival of the Others? And then Jon comes back as a result? There is no intention of Meli to turn him around, it just happens and then he changes sides? It could be... especially if the resistance were to take place at the Wall and not at Winterfell, but that doesn't seem most likely. Although I think it is difficult to fit Rickon/Davos in there (there is no northern army that can support him) and Jon still has no army, and needs it more than ever, since Ramsey is sleeping peacefully in Winterfell (and Jon has to fight the -third in a book- Battle of Winterfell to win). And, of course, it doesn't solve the Brienne issue, in fact it pushes them further away. Stannis strutting in front of a nobody doesn't seem like enough of a reason to counteract all these problems.
no carmine was correct about the red comet, its purpose was so every character looking at it can justify that what they're doing is a divine signal and that they should continue but some used it as an omen. preston needs to stop thinking that his line of thinking is the only correct one and i know carmine wants to be respectful and not argue on his stream but damn is it frustrating sometimes.
Preston has been sooooo bitter recently. He could benefit from trying to reconnect with what he liked about the story if he is going to continue making content about it. He is as scathing to the books as a book-enjoyer is to the show. These books are great as they are, even if no sequels ever come. But Preston clearly feels betrayed by there being no conclusion, and assumes that means that George must actually be incompetent.
You’re complaining about preston insisting on his interpretation which He’s presented actual evidence for while you simultaneously insist on your crackpot theories which don’t have any evidence?
You’re complaining about preston insisting on his interpretation which He’s presented actual evidence for while you simultaneously insist on your crackpot theories which doesn’t have any evidence?
Preston. Please… I’m begging you. Don’t let ANY aspect of the show influence the direction of the fanfic. There’s nothing about the Stannis show storyline that’s confirmed; we know it was terrible in the show; and it’s entirely possible that the writers room came up with this thematically relevant but utterly stupid plot point.
How is he supposed to completely ignore the show as an information point. On some level it was based on George's outline to D&D. We don't know which parts, but you can't just throw it away. I'm glad Preston is still looking at it and considering it critically.
@@ModernSynthesist Because, given the reception to the show and given how vague the details of his outline given to D&D were, it’s basically useless as a source of information. For one thing, GRRM may well have changed his mind by now (especially considering how people responded to the last few seasons) as he has countless times before about major plot points. Additionally, most of what the show did with its characters is impossible in the books. And because it was just plain bad - I can’t think of a single plot point from season 6 onwards that worked and most of it felt decidedly un-GRRM. Let’s be honest, the writers borrowed more from theory discussions on reddit than they did from GRRM.
He already has let the show influence the fanfic, his first dany chapter is basically the same as what happened to her in the show except that it had drogon.
He already confirmed he wont go that way because he doesnt like it. You can only go there if you understand Stannis and acknowledge him for the desperare man he is, not the epic King you want him to be.
39:30 Cersei's plan to send 100 dudes to the Wall to take out Jon Snow was never actually carried out. The plan was to send them with Osney Kettleback after he's caught abed with Marge: "All you need to do is k*ll a boy.... A bastard boy in league with Stannis. He's young and green, and you'll have a *hundred men* .... Bed a girl and k*ll a boy and I am yours" (Cersei IV AFfC) Obviously Cersei's arrest quashes the plan, and I don't see her reviving it. As for the fates of the Kettlebacks, this was Kevan's plan: death for Osney and "The Wall, if [Osmund and Osfryd] admit their guilt. If they deny it, they can face Ser Robert." (Epilogue ADwD) Kevan's plan might get fulfilled, but it could be fun to have the brothers end up on opposite sides of the wars? Maybe Osmund (or else Meryn Trant) joins Aegon's kingsguard, and despite being a pretty terrible dude and definitely NOT a chivalric ideal, he starts getting viewed that way, and treated as a source of legitimacy for Aegon? Similar to Tyrion talking about Barristan here: "Ser Barristan was the Lord Commander of Robert Baratheon's Kingsguard," Tyrion reminded her pointedly. "He and Jaime are the only survivors of Aerys Targaryen's seven. The smallfolk talk of him in the same way they talk of Serwyn of the Mirror Shield and Prince Aemon the Dragonknight. What do you imagine they'll think when they see Barristan the Bold riding beside Robb Stark or Stannis Baratheon?" (Tyrion I ACoK)
It's impossible for Larys to be faking his foot. Clubfoot is a congenital condition so it's something he would have to have been born with. His family would've seen it when he was born, it would've been glaringly obvious to anyone who encountered him once he started walking as a toddler.
30:08 regarding the comet, we know that grrm is a huge british history nerd and he "borrows" lots of events from there. In the bayeux tapestry depicting the war between william the conqueror and harold, a comet is depicted in the sky in the part where harold ("the false king") is crowned as king of england. I asked our professor and he replied that a comet is depicted as an ill omen in the middle ages within various european cultures. It is even theorized that they all witness the halley's comet.
Yup. That's how that works. That's how that worked for Republicans who voted for Republicans citing Critical Race Theory or upholding military weapons being available to the public as their one single issue. The only difference is one side supports treason and the other does not. We're all hypocrites
The Stannis burning Shireen has a lot of mythical basis. Obviously, we have Agamemnon and his daughter but we also have Jephtah in the Book of Judges in the Hebrew Bible who also burned his virgin daughter in exchange for victory in battle
53:20 With the Horn of Winter, I recently stumbled onto where GRRM likely got this idea from - the hunting horn that's supposed to awaken the Irish mythological hero Fionn mac Cumhaill during Ireland's greatest hour of need (similar to the mythos of the return of King Arthur, although Arthur's legends lack a horn). GRRM borrows a lot from Irish mythology: he's compared the Others to the sídhe and the history of Westeros has a lot in common with the Lebor Gabála Érenn (several waves of peoples coming to Westeros/Ireland, a pact that splits the land, giving the Otherworld to the Fae, and stuff isn't written down until much later, when the dominant religion has changed, resulting in muddled myths and anachronisms like pre-Fot7 knights) Not sure if this Irish myth can predict what GRRM's planning... To follow the legend closely, the Night's Watch blow the horn, which awakens Bran the Builder & co? Heroes of old coming back to fight an a last apocalyptic battle at the end of the world is a _very_ old idea, and exists in many mythologies. I know GRRM adapted "The Last Defender of Camelot" for "The Twilight Zone", where the return of Merlin is a bad thing because his ideas don't fit with the modern world. There's a biblical myth about a dude Joshua who uses a horn to tear down city walls at Jericho, as well... OK, what about this: the Wall wards are maintained by CotF plugged into the weirwood net, like the ones Bran sees in BR's cave: "full of singers, enthroned like Brynden in nests of weirwood roots that wove under and through and around their bodies. Most of them looked dead to him, but as he crossed in front of them their eyes would open and follow the light of his torch, and one of them opened and closed a wrinkled mouth as if he were trying to speak" (Bran III ADwD). Perhaps something wakes them up (literally or thematically a horn blast), and since their consciousness is no longer used to prop up the Wall wards, the Wall falls?
Also, Berzerk is worth taking seriously. It is art in the same way ASOIAF is. Miura had things he wanted to say, ideas he had to wrangle, images he wished to share.
Berserk is literally responsible for a huge chunk of todays manga and anime industry, being the inspiration for thousands of authors, so it's probably one of the most serious manga titles out there... That and JoJo.
Yrkoon and Cymoril were brother and sister. Basically Yrkoon was right: although their society was horrific, Yrkoon tried to keep all the magic and power under their control whereas Elric wanted their entire civilization to just die, because he was too melancholic to find a solution to it. Yrkoon in the end pushes his sister Cymoril onto Elric's sword and she dies. But their enmity is short lived as Yrkoon dies almost immediately after. And Yrkoon is Elric's enemy for half of one novel, so hardly the main bad. The main evil might be Elric's own demon patron Arioch.
Ugh. The death of Stannis was about as inspired as taking g your head and ramming it against a metal street lamp while flogging yourself with a dead wood chuck. Think something is going to happen at the wall between Melissandre, Shireen, & Jon Snow’s dead corpse. I don’t think Stannis will be there. I do think Stannis wins the Battle of Ice because it’s his Austerlitz but I think by the time he gets to Winterfell the Boltons have fled making Winterfell basically Moscow in winter. It’s not Ramsay but Winter who defeats Stannis.
I have always assumed that Bran is just a pawn of the Weirwood hive mind. The Weirwoods put out feelers for powerful greenseers, and then use them to do their bidding. Eventually they get worn out and absorbed, as is happening to Bloodraven. Bran is theoretically the most powerful greenseer, strong enough to change the timeline, but he’s still going to be absorbed into the hive mind.
Early on, Preston depends a lot on the concept of ideas being dated by chronological genesis in publication. I’m not sure if this is a dependable method, albeit maybe all we have. An idea that hasn’t been published by a certain date does not mean it was not thought of, or GRRM had “concepts of an idea” long prior to its introduction in the published works.
A key ingredient of long form storytelling is that you introduce things overtime instead of all at once. I find the attempts to determine when certain ideas were thought of before being introduced in the books to be extremely tedious. It's futile; was it not mentioned before because it wasn't thought of yet, or was it withheld for other reasons? Only the author can truly know the answer.
Davos goes to Skagos looking for Rickon. He thinks he’s going to find a prince and he’s gonna help Stannis win the north. Instead he finds a five year old kid living with his mother and David can’t bring himself to take Rickon away from a normal life.
44:45 could do some dark stuff with Patchface. A Florent guy tries to save Shireen and escape but Bran/Patchface notices, murders the Florent guy and drags her to her death. Straight up horror and even a potentially "new POV" on Castle Black and Shireens burning. Then it'll be Brans sacrifice if you can find a reason why he thinks he needs one
I ALWAYS tell people to start with the 2nd episode of 97. EVERYONE I tell to watch it that actually watches it tells me they like it. NOT A SINGLE MISS YET. NOT ONE
@@BecketTheHymnist I think there's a good edit of the two different versions, starting at episode 2 chronologically and mixing scenes from the trilogy and the 1997.
> Davos plot Davos never makes it to Skagos. His ship wrecks somewhere between Widow's Watch and Weeping Water. There he meets End-of-the-Worlders, Allar Deem and some runaway Hornwood men. They form an assault unit and take Dreadfort.
Please read the whole manga Berserk and talk about it. It doesn't take long. The 97 show and the remade three movies are nice too, but they are only chapters/parts of the whole story. The 97 anime has a nice atmosphere and beautiful music. Guts theme, epic. But I'm pretty sure you will love the manga. Very deep, complex and philosophical story. Greetings
People keep forgetting that the man has a 9 to 5 job outside of TH-cam, a wife *and* two kids and does TH-cam on the side, recording with me every now and then and including writing his own book and the fanfic which is a passion project. I get that you want him to be on top of things but also try to understand that his time is limited.
@@OfficialRedTeamReview No, no... I'm not asking, I'm just recommending. I am very grateful to watch and learn from Preston and sometimes from you too. That's all. Sorry, English is my third language. I just heard Berserk and wanted to express how great the story is, and it would be fun to hear Prestons ideas on it. If he can't read it that's also fine, and again thanks to him for him sharing his ideas and thank you too
Before that interview Elio already had a Reddit comment saying "I will say that at the time he seemed a bit more chipper about it than what l've seen on some past occasions where he's remarked on the book." The post was "Any news about TWOW from WorldCon?" So Elio had already been implying George has been making good progress recently.
I think the more George thing to do with Shiera Seastar is that the whole thing is not a lift but a subversion, I think if she was dead that would be part of the story as told because it's a classic fantasy sort of thing - the subversion would be that she didn't love either of them, or maybe she loved both of them but didn't want to decide, and chose to assert her independence as a woman, and leave them to just fight each other instead of treating her like an object they both wanted to obtain ahead of the other. So her being Quaithe would be a possible version of that.
Yestou can very much theory craft for the coming future of beserk. The bakiraka are my fav faction and i cant wait to see what comes from them in the next arc
When George was planning for Euron to go to slavers bay, do you think he planned to have Euron POV chapters? Or someone along with Euron would have a POV?
10:00 While Backfyres weren't introduced until ASoS, Shiera _is_ mentioned in ACoK (sort of). Dany calls the comet the "shierak qiya", which means "Bleeding Star". GRRM puts a lot of thought into character names; I'm almost certain he wanted a character called Shiera associated with stars who would have a TBD place in history paralleling Bran's mentor, _then_ decided "Shiera" would mean "Star" in Essosi languages, and put that fun dothraki linguistic fact into the text as a clue for readers. I just don't see GRRM writing it the other way, where he decides "Shierak" is a cool word for star, and then _years_ later revisits it as character name.
[The red comet is an infinity stone confirmed] 1:16:30 it's wild that stannis was keeping Gamy Gam around after having already blown up the Deathstar just because she's a haracrux... atleast we know why the lord of light chose him: Lightbringer will be used to find a save Siri, yay.
Doesn't Lady Stoneheart needs to eventually go North since she has Robb's crown ? Maybe Brienne goes north with her. Stannis survives the battle (but loses it), and eventually they meet up while Stannis is on the run.
Everyone forgets that George is a hippy, we will probably never know for sure, but I'm calling it now; dragon eggs are fertilised/hatched by the power of love.
I always assumed that when Mel saw Stannis leading the fight against the dead: he actually was leading the fight, but he’s the lord commander after Jon. It would make sense for him to denounce his claim and take the black after he has Shireen burned, his wife may or may not unalive herself, he will eventually find out his lightbringer is fake, that Jon is “Azor Ahai”, and Mel will abandon him. He could die leading the fight against the Others/ Wights. That way Dolores Ed can be the 1000th Lord Commander! And all will be right with the world!🤪
Stannis is defeated due to the storm, goes back to the Night Fort where Selyse fled to having kidnapped Monster. Stannis is about to burn the kid, but Mel reveals he was swapped, so he accepts to burn Shireen. He burns her, his sword goes magical-ish, he takes the black and is elected 999th lord commander, he goes with his men north of the wall led by Mel to kill the Great Other’s champions, he makes it to the cave to kill Bran and BR, but him and Mel instead submit to the Others and leads them back to the Wall to go through the Black Gate to become king. Brienne and LS turn their sight north when LS hears Stannis is trying to take Winterfell, but by the time they get there he has become the NK and has taken over the Night Fort and Jon and co are preparing to fight the Others after retaking Winterfell. Brienne probably faces Stannis eventually, as the NK.
The difference between a warship and a merchant ship is, with all due respect, rather significant: One has a specific ram at the front, the other does not - but those were essentially Mediterranean only, even more specific in state and time. What Preston likely meant was that in northern/western Europe, there indeed was no significant difference between the two, but they fought by boarding the enemy vessel.
The build-up of merchant ships can vary, especially in the middle ages, where classification wasn't really a thing, so it depends how it was built. Merchant ships are usually more bulky, harder to navigate in short distances (because why would you need the giant transport vehicle with several tons worth of cargo to be nimble?) and usually have less meaning to place weapons on them. Warships also can wary, but on average they are more nimble than your average cargo ship, as they don't need a giant cargo-hold to slow down the ship.
I'm personally not keen on the idea of plot twists that rely too much on the reader having prior knowledge of the Blackfyre rebellion era (e.g. Shiera Seastar is Quaithe, Aegon is a secret Blackfyre). Unless you're a superfan who has read all of the other material outside the main ASOIAF books then you're unlikely to understand the huge relevance of such plot twists and George can't afford to waste valuable page space explaining this to us
well illyrio does mention the blackfyre female line being continued, and that his beloved wife has a valyrian look to her. it's already signaled that aegon may be blackfyre in the main series. idk how much mention shiera seastar gets though
While it is true that Russia is the aggressor for this war, Preston is thinking too naively about geopolitics. Joining a defense pact that was formed against you and that is so extremely strong close to your borders is a threat. Ultimately the west will see itself as the good side no matter what (as is its right) and should fight Russia but it doesn't mean that Russia was completely unprovoked as Preston is trying to simplify it into
Damn, the part about ships before canons is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. There was a clear difference between merchants and warships in older societies. Ramming requires bigger sturdier and more manned ships. The ships Rome used in ancient times for warfare against the Egyptians and the Carthaginians would be quite different to normal merchant ships. A warfare galley would have rams, moveable bridges, catapults, ballistae, greek fire but most importantly a thicker and sturdier hull. The Dromon for example was a Byzantine warship of great size that while also being a galley was never gonna be used for mercantile endeavours. Preston, please, do not speak nonsense on such topics without doing research. Edit: Maybe you do know of this and were just using very harsh language. I would recommend not doing that for complex topics in which you lack expertise. Being confused about the Ironborn talking about warships was particularly weird. I do not know a single civilisation with a standing navy that used merchant ships in big naval engagements.
24:18 Preston, want something you can "theory-craft" for, and something that is DEEP? More importantly, a series that is finished and isn't hanging?If you really do, then please, please, for the love of God, leave ASOIAF for a bit and read Malazan Book of the Fallen! Channels that specifically specialize in ASOIAF content are slowly driving me crazy because ASOIAF is monopolizing the big channels' time! It's like Shakespeare does in the academic field! It's really unfair!
Because you have new channels coming in doing content on a book series that hasn't had a new entry in 13 years. Nobody wants to do anything new or that isn't adapted into a television/movie series. ASOIAF gets you views and everybody is looking for the next big theory that'll blow their minds when in reality everything that can be said about the series has been said.
@@OfficialRedTeamReview Exactly! That's my conclusion too! Thank you for taking the time to reply to me. Usually, the big channels don't do it. I had to send an email to Alt Shift on this issue in order to get a response from him. I hope you and Preston reconsider covering the already milked-out and dried series.
@@OfficialRedTeamReview Well, good luck. You would know better if these two have or haven't been touched. Thanks for the ASOIAF content. I appreciate it although it frustrates me sometimes.
Patchfaces's "Under the sea" was originally "Endure the siege".
sveaborg. it all goes back to sveaborg
This is it! The siege of Storm's End. He's been conditioning Stannis that whole time🤪
1:17:00 I loved when Stannis got the Infinity Gauntlet and the Avengers fought him in the Battle of Space, really paralelled his win against the Boltons in the Battle of Ice
LOL
hahaha
Proceeds to call Thanos Stannis not once but the entirety of the segment
@@cketcham1217 "The Gauntlet is mine by rights, any who deny that are my foes."
I think the Brienne/Stannis plot point was a clumsy attempt to hit her big book choice, where she has to choose between Jaime and Lady Stoneheart.
D&D chose to ommit LS and had Jaime messing around in Dorne, so to hit a similar note, and give her a reason to ever be on screen, they replaced them with Sansa and Stannis.
They chose to go with the girl boss thing when they had her kill Stannis.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 Dunno. I could see one thinking of Arya or Sansa becomming girlbossed at a certain point, but Brienne?
I think this framing is something that's been imposed by fans in a desperate attempt to find meaning in her meaningless plot. There was no choice to make, she made no sacrifice, choosing revenge didn't affect her ability to save Sansa even slightly and there were no lasting consequences to the decision.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 - To be fair, it wasn't a "girl boss" moment. Her goal was to kill Stannis from the moment she saw his face on the shadow that killed Renly.
@@limbus66 - it would've completely negated her ability to save Sansa if Theon hadn't helped Sansa escape.
I think it would be a mistake to have Stannis lose to Ramsey.
1- What purpose has Dance been? If Stannis loses, the northern/rhollor army is lost for Jon.
2- How is Jon going to win the throne? Only with savages? Is there time, and is it really interesting, a new plot to recruit the North?
3- How do Davos and Shireen fit into that scheme? What's the point of Rickon without a northern army? Are you really going to burn your daughter for the Boltons? The dilemma "A child in exchange for saving the world" loses a bit.
4- Can a Ramsey with no military training, an idiot, who has lost Manderly and Frey, who has killed his father (and dozens of others), and who is hated by his allies, win anyone? Really?
5- I think that Brienne's dilemma may be a reflection of the non-existent Jaime/Brienne plot in the Land of Rivers. And even if it wasn't, it can happen later with Stannis victorious, or defeated by the Others.
In fact, I think The Winds of Winter fits more with the structure of Stannis winning:
JON: We see something of Ghost, something of Melisandre, and then Jon returns, organizes what he can from the Wall and goes south, maybe with the fall of the Mur? Along the way, a darker Jon, concerned about his Stark inheritance, may destroy Karhold and a Ramsey who will take refuge with the few remaining Boltons, a mirror of the scene of Ramsey's cruel death, devoured.
DAVOS: A couple of chapters in Skagos, one on a return trip with dark news of the fall of Eastwatch and "dead in the water", rumors of savages rampaging south of the Wall...
STANNIS: Battle of the lake, battle or trick of Winterfell. Management of the "victory", chaos due to the Stark inheritance and opposing allies, due to winter, fall of the Wall... I play with who is the prince of royal blood that Stannis is going to sacrifice to fix everything (The only plausible solution I see for a living Theon is that Stannis wants to keep him for Melisandre and a powerful ritual). Theon first as the obvious one, Rickon later as the surprise and difficulty because that breaks their alliance with the North, and finally Shireen as the true sacrifice with the arrival of Jon, who is willing to take the northern army for himself over Stannis and Rickon, and a Meli who begins to doubt. Maybe also in the face of the imminence of the Others. Theon escapes with Asha?
However, if Stannis dies, when does burning Shireen fit? (something we are certain of).
He returns with a few troops to the chaos of the Wall and there he decides to burn his daughter as the last option to win the Throne and before the arrival of the Others? And then Jon comes back as a result? There is no intention of Meli to turn him around, it just happens and then he changes sides?
It could be... especially if the resistance were to take place at the Wall and not at Winterfell, but that doesn't seem most likely.
Although I think it is difficult to fit Rickon/Davos in there (there is no northern army that can support him) and Jon still has no army, and needs it more than ever, since Ramsey is sleeping peacefully in Winterfell (and Jon has to fight the -third in a book- Battle of Winterfell to win). And, of course, it doesn't solve the Brienne issue, in fact it pushes them further away.
Stannis strutting in front of a nobody doesn't seem like enough of a reason to counteract all these problems.
no carmine was correct about the red comet, its purpose was so every character looking at it can justify that what they're doing is a divine signal and that they should continue but some used it as an omen. preston needs to stop thinking that his line of thinking is the only correct one and i know carmine wants to be respectful and not argue on his stream but damn is it frustrating sometimes.
Preston has been sooooo bitter recently. He could benefit from trying to reconnect with what he liked about the story if he is going to continue making content about it.
He is as scathing to the books as a book-enjoyer is to the show. These books are great as they are, even if no sequels ever come. But Preston clearly feels betrayed by there being no conclusion, and assumes that means that George must actually be incompetent.
You’re complaining about preston insisting on his interpretation which He’s presented actual evidence for while you simultaneously insist on your crackpot theories which don’t have any evidence?
You’re complaining about preston insisting on his interpretation which He’s presented actual evidence for while you simultaneously insist on your crackpot theories which doesn’t have any evidence?
@@playerkit I'm a little bitter its taken 10 years or more too.
nah youre wrong, preston was right
Preston. Please… I’m begging you. Don’t let ANY aspect of the show influence the direction of the fanfic. There’s nothing about the Stannis show storyline that’s confirmed; we know it was terrible in the show; and it’s entirely possible that the writers room came up with this thematically relevant but utterly stupid plot point.
How is he supposed to completely ignore the show as an information point. On some level it was based on George's outline to D&D. We don't know which parts, but you can't just throw it away.
I'm glad Preston is still looking at it and considering it critically.
@@ModernSynthesist Because, given the reception to the show and given how vague the details of his outline given to D&D were, it’s basically useless as a source of information. For one thing, GRRM may well have changed his mind by now (especially considering how people responded to the last few seasons) as he has countless times before about major plot points. Additionally, most of what the show did with its characters is impossible in the books. And because it was just plain bad - I can’t think of a single plot point from season 6 onwards that worked and most of it felt decidedly un-GRRM. Let’s be honest, the writers borrowed more from theory discussions on reddit than they did from GRRM.
He already has let the show influence the fanfic, his first dany chapter is basically the same as what happened to her in the show except that it had drogon.
@@ModernSynthesist maybe the part that it was all about: Srannis burning Shireen.
He already confirmed he wont go that way because he doesnt like it. You can only go there if you understand Stannis and acknowledge him for the desperare man he is, not the epic King you want him to be.
39:30 Cersei's plan to send 100 dudes to the Wall to take out Jon Snow was never actually carried out. The plan was to send them with Osney Kettleback after he's caught abed with Marge: "All you need to do is k*ll a boy.... A bastard boy in league with Stannis. He's young and green, and you'll have a *hundred men* .... Bed a girl and k*ll a boy and I am yours" (Cersei IV AFfC)
Obviously Cersei's arrest quashes the plan, and I don't see her reviving it. As for the fates of the Kettlebacks, this was Kevan's plan: death for Osney and "The Wall, if [Osmund and Osfryd] admit their guilt. If they deny it, they can face Ser Robert." (Epilogue ADwD) Kevan's plan might get fulfilled, but it could be fun to have the brothers end up on opposite sides of the wars? Maybe Osmund (or else Meryn Trant) joins Aegon's kingsguard, and despite being a pretty terrible dude and definitely NOT a chivalric ideal, he starts getting viewed that way, and treated as a source of legitimacy for Aegon? Similar to Tyrion talking about Barristan here: "Ser Barristan was the Lord Commander of Robert Baratheon's Kingsguard," Tyrion reminded her pointedly. "He and Jaime are the only survivors of Aerys Targaryen's seven. The smallfolk talk of him in the same way they talk of Serwyn of the Mirror Shield and Prince Aemon the Dragonknight. What do you imagine they'll think when they see Barristan the Bold riding beside Robb Stark or Stannis Baratheon?" (Tyrion I ACoK)
It's impossible for Larys to be faking his foot. Clubfoot is a congenital condition so it's something he would have to have been born with. His family would've seen it when he was born, it would've been glaringly obvious to anyone who encountered him once he started walking as a toddler.
plus it's bent
30:08 regarding the comet, we know that grrm is a huge british history nerd and he "borrows" lots of events from there. In the bayeux tapestry depicting the war between william the conqueror and harold, a comet is depicted in the sky in the part where harold ("the false king") is crowned as king of england.
I asked our professor and he replied that a comet is depicted as an ill omen in the middle ages within various european cultures. It is even theorized that they all witness the halley's comet.
Preston: Being a single issue voter is stupid!
Preston a few minutes a later : if being a single issue voter means you vote for my team, no problem!
Yup. That's how that works. That's how that worked for Republicans who voted for Republicans citing Critical Race Theory or upholding military weapons being available to the public as their one single issue. The only difference is one side supports treason and the other does not.
We're all hypocrites
The Stannis burning Shireen has a lot of mythical basis. Obviously, we have Agamemnon and his daughter but we also have Jephtah in the Book of Judges in the Hebrew Bible who also burned his virgin daughter in exchange for victory in battle
53:20 With the Horn of Winter, I recently stumbled onto where GRRM likely got this idea from - the hunting horn that's supposed to awaken the Irish mythological hero Fionn mac Cumhaill during Ireland's greatest hour of need (similar to the mythos of the return of King Arthur, although Arthur's legends lack a horn). GRRM borrows a lot from Irish mythology: he's compared the Others to the sídhe and the history of Westeros has a lot in common with the Lebor Gabála Érenn (several waves of peoples coming to Westeros/Ireland, a pact that splits the land, giving the Otherworld to the Fae, and stuff isn't written down until much later, when the dominant religion has changed, resulting in muddled myths and anachronisms like pre-Fot7 knights)
Not sure if this Irish myth can predict what GRRM's planning... To follow the legend closely, the Night's Watch blow the horn, which awakens Bran the Builder & co? Heroes of old coming back to fight an a last apocalyptic battle at the end of the world is a _very_ old idea, and exists in many mythologies. I know GRRM adapted "The Last Defender of Camelot" for "The Twilight Zone", where the return of Merlin is a bad thing because his ideas don't fit with the modern world. There's a biblical myth about a dude Joshua who uses a horn to tear down city walls at Jericho, as well...
OK, what about this: the Wall wards are maintained by CotF plugged into the weirwood net, like the ones Bran sees in BR's cave: "full of singers, enthroned like Brynden in nests of weirwood roots that wove under and through and around their bodies. Most of them looked dead to him, but as he crossed in front of them their eyes would open and follow the light of his torch, and one of them opened and closed a wrinkled mouth as if he were trying to speak" (Bran III ADwD). Perhaps something wakes them up (literally or thematically a horn blast), and since their consciousness is no longer used to prop up the Wall wards, the Wall falls?
Ah the classic Preston scuff
I assume preston destabilized central america on schedule since he is already back
What happened to the Kamala stream? was in the middle of watching it.
Also, Berzerk is worth taking seriously. It is art in the same way ASOIAF is. Miura had things he wanted to say, ideas he had to wrangle, images he wished to share.
Berserk is literally responsible for a huge chunk of todays manga and anime industry, being the inspiration for thousands of authors, so it's probably one of the most serious manga titles out there... That and JoJo.
I as an ASOIAF fan will shill for Berserk whenever given the chance
If Preston started doing berserk content it would be a dream come true
I feel like Preston would absolutely hate Berserk, but its amazing.
Berserk > ASOIAF
Yrkoon and Cymoril were brother and sister. Basically Yrkoon was right: although their society was horrific, Yrkoon tried to keep all the magic and power under their control whereas Elric wanted their entire civilization to just die, because he was too melancholic to find a solution to it. Yrkoon in the end pushes his sister Cymoril onto Elric's sword and she dies. But their enmity is short lived as Yrkoon dies almost immediately after.
And Yrkoon is Elric's enemy for half of one novel, so hardly the main bad. The main evil might be Elric's own demon patron Arioch.
Wasnt Halley’s Comet associated with the Norman invasion in 1066
Ugh. The death of Stannis was about as inspired as taking g your head and ramming it against a metal street lamp while flogging yourself with a dead wood chuck.
Think something is going to happen at the wall between Melissandre, Shireen, & Jon Snow’s dead corpse. I don’t think Stannis will be there.
I do think Stannis wins the Battle of Ice because it’s his Austerlitz but I think by the time he gets to Winterfell the Boltons have fled making Winterfell basically Moscow in winter. It’s not Ramsay but Winter who defeats Stannis.
I have always assumed that Bran is just a pawn of the Weirwood hive mind. The Weirwoods put out feelers for powerful greenseers, and then use them to do their bidding. Eventually they get worn out and absorbed, as is happening to Bloodraven.
Bran is theoretically the most powerful greenseer, strong enough to change the timeline, but he’s still going to be absorbed into the hive mind.
Early on, Preston depends a lot on the concept of ideas being dated by chronological genesis in publication. I’m not sure if this is a dependable method, albeit maybe all we have. An idea that hasn’t been published by a certain date does not mean it was not thought of, or GRRM had “concepts of an idea” long prior to its introduction in the published works.
A key ingredient of long form storytelling is that you introduce things overtime instead of all at once. I find the attempts to determine when certain ideas were thought of before being introduced in the books to be extremely tedious. It's futile; was it not mentioned before because it wasn't thought of yet, or was it withheld for other reasons? Only the author can truly know the answer.
Davos goes to Skagos looking for Rickon. He thinks he’s going to find a prince and he’s gonna help Stannis win the north. Instead he finds a five year old kid living with his mother and David can’t bring himself to take Rickon away from a normal life.
Dammit. Can't believe I missed the Genestealer discussion. My Cult is literally anti Tyranid!
44:45 could do some dark stuff with Patchface. A Florent guy tries to save Shireen and escape but Bran/Patchface notices, murders the Florent guy and drags her to her death. Straight up horror and even a potentially "new POV" on Castle Black and Shireens burning.
Then it'll be Brans sacrifice if you can find a reason why he thinks he needs one
Duuude watch 1997 berserk not the movies! The epic character moments with the best music is so much more valuable than the cleaner animation!
I ALWAYS tell people to start with the 2nd episode of 97. EVERYONE I tell to watch it that actually watches it tells me they like it. NOT A SINGLE MISS YET. NOT ONE
@@BecketTheHymnist I think there's a good edit of the two different versions, starting at episode 2 chronologically and mixing scenes from the trilogy and the 1997.
Is it just me or is Preston's audio super quiet?
hes just quieter because he's on another computer.
Powerful stuff. Take care of yourself as well
> Davos plot
Davos never makes it to Skagos. His ship wrecks somewhere between Widow's Watch and Weeping Water. There he meets End-of-the-Worlders, Allar Deem and some runaway Hornwood men. They form an assault unit and take Dreadfort.
Bran is SER pounce confirmed
Did anybody even doubt it? I thought it was canon tbh. Ser pounce is also azor ahai
Berserk is so good. There’s definitely some things to theorize but not like asoiaf.
A lot of the stuff to theorize on has already been answered or is unimportant. Like the Moon Child or the Skull Knight's identity.
Please read the whole manga Berserk and talk about it. It doesn't take long. The 97 show and the remade three movies are nice too, but they are only chapters/parts of the whole story. The 97 anime has a nice atmosphere and beautiful music. Guts theme, epic. But I'm pretty sure you will love the manga. Very deep, complex and philosophical story. Greetings
People keep forgetting that the man has a 9 to 5 job outside of TH-cam, a wife *and* two kids and does TH-cam on the side, recording with me every now and then and including writing his own book and the fanfic which is a passion project. I get that you want him to be on top of things but also try to understand that his time is limited.
@@OfficialRedTeamReview No, no... I'm not asking, I'm just recommending. I am very grateful to watch and learn from Preston and sometimes from you too. That's all. Sorry, English is my third language. I just heard Berserk and wanted to express how great the story is, and it would be fun to hear Prestons ideas on it. If he can't read it that's also fine, and again thanks to him for him sharing his ideas and thank you too
I’m about halfway into my first read of Storm of Swords. There’s actually been two mentions of Daemon Blackfyre so far.
Didnt dany go into the red waste in the direction of Quarth specifically because she followed the comet?
Yeah but she it was also the only direction she could go, it wss either that or the dothraki sea of lazar
Before that interview Elio already had a Reddit comment saying "I will say that at the time he seemed a bit more chipper about it than what l've seen on some past occasions where he's remarked on the book." The post was "Any news about TWOW from WorldCon?" So Elio had already been implying George has been making good progress recently.
I think the more George thing to do with Shiera Seastar is that the whole thing is not a lift but a subversion, I think if she was dead that would be part of the story as told because it's a classic fantasy sort of thing - the subversion would be that she didn't love either of them, or maybe she loved both of them but didn't want to decide, and chose to assert her independence as a woman, and leave them to just fight each other instead of treating her like an object they both wanted to obtain ahead of the other. So her being Quaithe would be a possible version of that.
Mel's vision of Patchface with a bloody mouth could be because he's warged by Bran and bites his tongue like Thistle
Yestou can very much theory craft for the coming future of beserk. The bakiraka are my fav faction and i cant wait to see what comes from them in the next arc
When George was planning for Euron to go to slavers bay, do you think he planned to have Euron POV chapters? Or someone along with Euron would have a POV?
Wasnt victarion supposed to go with him? Thats the POV
@@martinbruno764 no, pretty sure victarion was going to die fairly early in the ironborn plot. Iirc, some outline GRRM gave an editor showed vic dying
Love ya big P ❤
Thank you so much for that. I thought my speakers are broken 1:12:09
10:00 While Backfyres weren't introduced until ASoS, Shiera _is_ mentioned in ACoK (sort of). Dany calls the comet the "shierak qiya", which means "Bleeding Star". GRRM puts a lot of thought into character names; I'm almost certain he wanted a character called Shiera associated with stars who would have a TBD place in history paralleling Bran's mentor, _then_ decided "Shiera" would mean "Star" in Essosi languages, and put that fun dothraki linguistic fact into the text as a clue for readers. I just don't see GRRM writing it the other way, where he decides "Shierak" is a cool word for star, and then _years_ later revisits it as character name.
[The red comet is an infinity stone confirmed] 1:16:30 it's wild that stannis was keeping Gamy Gam around after having already blown up the Deathstar just because she's a haracrux... atleast we know why the lord of light chose him: Lightbringer will be used to find a save Siri, yay.
Doesn't Lady Stoneheart needs to eventually go North since she has Robb's crown ? Maybe Brienne goes north with her. Stannis survives the battle (but loses it), and eventually they meet up while Stannis is on the run.
Everyone forgets that George is a hippy, we will probably never know for sure, but I'm calling it now; dragon eggs are fertilised/hatched by the power of love.
That would ruin everything.
why is lil bro back in dc
The one thing we can say for sure about Davos' fate is that he sure as hell won't return to his wife :D
I always assumed that when Mel saw Stannis leading the fight against the dead: he actually was leading the fight, but he’s the lord commander after Jon. It would make sense for him to denounce his claim and take the black after he has Shireen burned, his wife may or may not unalive herself, he will eventually find out his lightbringer is fake, that Jon is “Azor Ahai”, and Mel will abandon him.
He could die leading the fight against the Others/ Wights. That way Dolores Ed can be the 1000th Lord Commander! And all will be right with the world!🤪
Carmine breaking out his Bedazzled knowledge ;)
Totally see Preston as a Rubric Marine guy
Stannis is defeated due to the storm, goes back to the Night Fort where Selyse fled to having kidnapped Monster. Stannis is about to burn the kid, but Mel reveals he was swapped, so he accepts to burn Shireen. He burns her, his sword goes magical-ish, he takes the black and is elected 999th lord commander, he goes with his men north of the wall led by Mel to kill the Great Other’s champions, he makes it to the cave to kill Bran and BR, but him and Mel instead submit to the Others and leads them back to the Wall to go through the Black Gate to become king. Brienne and LS turn their sight north when LS hears Stannis is trying to take Winterfell, but by the time they get there he has become the NK and has taken over the Night Fort and Jon and co are preparing to fight the Others after retaking Winterfell. Brienne probably faces Stannis eventually, as the NK.
The difference between a warship and a merchant ship is, with all due respect, rather significant: One has a specific ram at the front, the other does not - but those were essentially Mediterranean only, even more specific in state and time. What Preston likely meant was that in northern/western Europe, there indeed was no significant difference between the two, but they fought by boarding the enemy vessel.
The build-up of merchant ships can vary, especially in the middle ages, where classification wasn't really a thing, so it depends how it was built.
Merchant ships are usually more bulky, harder to navigate in short distances (because why would you need the giant transport vehicle with several tons worth of cargo to be nimble?) and usually have less meaning to place weapons on them.
Warships also can wary, but on average they are more nimble than your average cargo ship, as they don't need a giant cargo-hold to slow down the ship.
I think Dany might have needed the comet to hatch her eggs because they had turned to stone--but that's assuming you believe that.
Smithy is back? 🎉
I'm personally not keen on the idea of plot twists that rely too much on the reader having prior knowledge of the Blackfyre rebellion era (e.g. Shiera Seastar is Quaithe, Aegon is a secret Blackfyre). Unless you're a superfan who has read all of the other material outside the main ASOIAF books then you're unlikely to understand the huge relevance of such plot twists and George can't afford to waste valuable page space explaining this to us
well illyrio does mention the blackfyre female line being continued, and that his beloved wife has a valyrian look to her. it's already signaled that aegon may be blackfyre in the main series. idk how much mention shiera seastar gets though
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Where's the intro!?! I'm furious
Is there a way to get Carmine and Preston to have similar audio volume? Carmine is much louder
That's on Preston to be louder. My audio is normal, hes just quieter because he's on another computer.
Stannis the mannys🤘🏻
Preston please use cough drops
Horn of winter = Orton Merryweather 🤨
Voice is too quiet.
The D R is 👌🏽… appropriate
While it is true that Russia is the aggressor for this war, Preston is thinking too naively about geopolitics. Joining a defense pact that was formed against you and that is so extremely strong close to your borders is a threat. Ultimately the west will see itself as the good side no matter what (as is its right) and should fight Russia but it doesn't mean that Russia was completely unprovoked as Preston is trying to simplify it into
agree. there is almost always some valid issues the other side has in a war. russia can be the bad guy, that doesn't make the west good by default
George has outlines but sometimes the weeds grow over it, and the outline must be altered.
PJ IS BACK FOMOS
SHARKVADERS SAYING PJ IS BACK FOMOS IS BACK FOMOS
Patchface stabs Stannis when they burn Shireen? 🤔
God preston please read beserk
We do call it DR in spanish RD so you are good
Do Berzerk after you finished The Witcher! 😬
Time travel bran started the story a year early
Everything was meant to start with the red commet
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I'm surprised that I've never heard anyone theorize that Sheara Seastar is Lady Mellario of Norvos and is on the Daenerys end of the Dornish plan
2:32:28 Fr0gan
No intro. I'm out 😂
Too quiet
Damn, the part about ships before canons is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. There was a clear difference between merchants and warships in older societies. Ramming requires bigger sturdier and more manned ships. The ships Rome used in ancient times for warfare against the Egyptians and the Carthaginians would be quite different to normal merchant ships. A warfare galley would have rams, moveable bridges, catapults, ballistae, greek fire but most importantly a thicker and sturdier hull. The Dromon for example was a Byzantine warship of great size that while also being a galley was never gonna be used for mercantile endeavours. Preston, please, do not speak nonsense on such topics without doing research.
Edit: Maybe you do know of this and were just using very harsh language. I would recommend not doing that for complex topics in which you lack expertise. Being confused about the Ironborn talking about warships was particularly weird. I do not know a single civilisation with a standing navy that used merchant ships in big naval engagements.
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Anyone who disagrees with you is funded by Russia l. Duh. Team sports lol..
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Preston, want something you can "theory-craft" for, and something that is DEEP? More importantly, a series that is finished and isn't hanging?If you really do, then please, please, for the love of God, leave ASOIAF for a bit and read Malazan Book of the Fallen!
Channels that specifically specialize in ASOIAF content are slowly driving me crazy because ASOIAF is monopolizing the big channels' time! It's like Shakespeare does in the academic field! It's really unfair!
Because you have new channels coming in doing content on a book series that hasn't had a new entry in 13 years. Nobody wants to do anything new or that isn't adapted into a television/movie series. ASOIAF gets you views and everybody is looking for the next big theory that'll blow their minds when in reality everything that can be said about the series has been said.
@@OfficialRedTeamReview
Exactly! That's my conclusion too! Thank you for taking the time to reply to me. Usually, the big channels don't do it. I had to send an email to Alt Shift on this issue in order to get a response from him.
I hope you and Preston reconsider covering the already milked-out and dried series.
@@salomealhusami594 Nah we're moving on to new ventures that hasn't been touched on yet. like star wars or lord of the rings
@@OfficialRedTeamReview
Well, good luck. You would know better if these two have or haven't been touched.
Thanks for the ASOIAF content. I appreciate it although it frustrates me sometimes.
@@OfficialRedTeamReview and of course the witcher