I've basically accepted that Pyrrha is never going to be avenged, and even when Cinder FINALLY FUCKING DIES, it's gonna be even lamer than Adam's death or even Jacque's death, and there's not gonna be any catharsis because RWBY has lost all emotional connections with anything related to pre-volume 4 at this point
Personally, I don't mind the IDEA of Winter becoming the maiden, even via Penny's death, but you really hit the nail on the head with how the two just don't interact enough to sell it properly. Ignoring how I think Ironwood suddenly turning evil was dumb on it's own, I wish at least Winter had opted to not be on the effectively "bad guys" side for the whole volume, and instead was working with Penny and the others to allow that bond to be properly established. Your "Thor Ragnarock-Nora with Pink lightning" sounds rad as balls and I'm now mad it's not real XD
Grazie! It's just so exhausting seeing how often they drop the ball when it comes to character writing. Even with this little Nora Maiden fix, the problems are so deeply entrenched that it's hard to isolate just one issue without realizing it's entangled in a mesh of other mistakes. (also loved the Ironwood video, holy crap that was a satisfying watch)
@Twiins ink And you. You’re intending to give this living contradiction special treatment all because he delusionally believes is as efficient as a novel writer? Let me not mince my words and make it clear for it to be burned into your soul: one of the few things I respect is truth. As I mean people who throw away this flimsy veneer of superiority through exaggerating negative qualities of a show while ignoring RWBY’s positive qualities and become increasingly petty in their demands even though the writers and directors are beyond that stage of being overshadowed by their former choreographer. Deep down, all that you know is these people have spirits and minds that are lower than plankton yet have egos as the size of the stars to overcompensate and overestimate who they really are, and what you need to do is to remind them (including yourself) to know their place, since all of you seem to be obsessed with the perfect RWBY that will never come to be.
@@harryshum4139 Bro, I don't even agree with most of his takes, but what the fuck does half of what you said even mean? I feel like I had a stroke trying to read that garbage lmao.
@@ravenbranwen9701 Sometimes, people can take their expectations too far and try to drag down anything into their personal problems and ideals, believing that if someone like an idol or creator can’t do it right, then they should do better. The problem is that people can’t seem to let go with the fact that RWBY as of now is different from the fluid, action-filled show it once was after Volume 3, and because it now has a story, they expect more from the writers and continue to look down on them for flaws (protagonist-centered morality, hypocrisy, character derailment, the hive-mind nonsense, everything about Ironwood and RWBY, seemingly wasted potential, lack of character focus, no time/budget for scenes needed, supplementary material as a “crutch”) that can be easily justified by looking back at the show again or are things that are beyond their control. I theorize that the reason people are divisive about RWBY now is because of the environment and incidents in Rooster Teeth’s animation studio for a past few years, and the fact that what the audience sees in RWBY is the action, and when your main choreographer gets taken away, you get a story where people will continuously barrage CRWBY with insults and holier-than-thou opinions over the pettiest things like writing, budget/time, scrapped content, character bloat, lack of RWBY focus (RWBY aren’t the only protagonists, you know), lack of Atlas exploration (tell that to Mistral), characters that act out of line, books that expand the world (seriously?), and changes in choreography. While these naysayers can soothe their wounded, blue-balled egos with their “rewrites” and fan-fics they believe are better than canon, I still give out hope that the story continues until the very end and to a lesser extent, Volume 5 is fixed akin to Zack Snyder's Justice League and maybe a RWBY-centric fighting game is released to the public.
Honestly there was some foreshadowing for this in prior seasons, and you could genuinely argue that Penny (a robot with an aura from a man) becoming a maiden implies that the maidens don't actually have to be women. Like it could actually be a plot point that made more sense than 80% of the rest of the show lol
So here's something I realized: The reason they made Ruby fall so early is so they could justify Penny not giving the maiden powers to her, because Penny thought she was already dead. It's still bad, to be clear. But I think that was why they went with such a bizarre decision to KO Ruby only halfway through like that.
@@maxentirunos i mean, Penny was making a conscious decision to think about Winter in her last moments, so I think that's makes sense enough on its own. Whole thing is still a mess though
I agree that’s why they did it. But Thomas’ scenario words better. From pragmatic standpoint there’s actually good reason not to give Ruby the maiden powers. It boils down to this, how will the maiden powers effect the silver eyes? We don’t know, all Ruby knows is they keep roasting Cinder and she has no idea why. I’m not sure if that’s been explained, if it’s the maiden powers or something else. But personally I think it’s a fair point and good reason for Ruby to say I don’t want the maiden powers.
@@JulietStMoon my issue with Penny thinking about who to give the Maiden powers to is that it was presented in a way that implies the Maiden transition would turn the tide of the *current* battle, but Winter was in a totally different place from it and was getting her shit rocked by Ironwood. If Ironwood didn't hesitate and Winter fell there, Penny's sacrifice likely wouldn't have paid off at all, which just circles back to the belief that Nora should've been given the Winter Maiden powers.
@@mercury2157 yeah the whole thing didn't make any sense. Why did Penny want to give it to someone so far away? It really feels like the writers suddenly had a change of heart about bringing Penny back and making her a maiden after volume 7 and wanted to course correct back to Winter for whatever reason. Just extremely weird, and I would give a lot to be a fly on the wall in the writing room when they made those decisions.
I think the most frustrating thing is that you can see the writers going "Haha! You expected Nora to become the Winter Maiden simply because every writing rule would indicate that she would! But we made Winter the Maiden instead! Aren't we so clever and subversive?"
"Haha! You expected Nora to become the Winter Maiden simply because" A bunch of weird ass heads canons and one conversation between Penny and Nora somehow makes them the closest characters in the series now.
@@izilladkilla I've been saying for years now that it's baffling that he managed to make three consistently good seasons of red vs blue consecutively, and then just totally forgot how to write his problems don't even show in just RWBY. rvb17 had the wash screaming moment, which was a reference to miles overlooking the obvious solution to an in-universe problem. it's a cheeky joke on the surface but it just goes to show that he's a very, VERY bad writer
I'll be honest, I never interpreted that scene where they're in Schnee manor and Winter tells Penny she "wouldn't understand" as Winter revealing she doesn't see Penny as a real person, I just interpreted it as it was presented at surface level. Winter said "you wouldn't understand", and meant it as "this is a very personal matter, no one who didn't go through the same thing would understand, including you", but Penny, carrying doubts about her own real person status interprets it as "you're a machine, you wouldn't understand emotions". Winter picks up on this and clarifies her meaning to Penny by saying "this place holds a lot of memories for me specifically". I always got the impression that Winter saw Penny sort of like a child, still a real person, but in need of a lot of life lessons.
Giving the maiden power to Penny to subvert expectations and prove she's just as human as any of the other characters: 10/10 Penny being turned into a flesh and blood human and immediately killed: 1/10
The writers are so fucking scared of giving Nora any identity beyond Ren. In volume 7, standing with Mantle put her in opposition to Ren. In early volume 8, her internal conflict was fuelled by her relationship with Ren. In later volume 8, Ren confesses, but she asks for time to figure herself out- so _no matter what,_ Ren is still her finish line. Right now, she's defined as 'not Ren's girlfriend _yet.'_ If she had gotten the powers, she would have been defined as a Maiden, giving her a clear direction to explore her identity, and as stated in the video, realize herself as a protector of the people. But instead of expanding on her volume 7 struggle to champion Mantle, her development is all about her strained relationship with Ren. And if Nora had become the Maiden, she would have become _much_ more important than Ren [and Jaune], so we can't have that now can we. The status quo _must_ be maintained. I wish Ren had told her that he doesn't love her the way she loves him. I wish they had subverted the hetero expectations of a boy and a girl inevitably falling in romantic love with each other. I wish Renora wasn't this destined thing at the end of their character development that MUST happen no matter what.
I thought making Winter the Winter Maiden was actually a great choice. What didn't make sense to me was making Penny the Winter Maiden only to kill her off shortly thereafter. To be honest I think my biggest gripe is what is the point of the Maidens if they are not going to be Team RWBY? Cause eventually I still see Team RWBY becoming the Maidens to defeat Salem. Cinder gives her power to Ruby, Winter to Weiss, Raven to Yang.
They probably want to avoid making team RWBY too powerful or too special, which shouldn't even be a concern anymore because everyone on the show who isn't Neo is hilariously incompetent and Team RWBY accomplishes nothing.
I agree 100 percent with this, but an extra thing I would've added is that when Ruby would kill Penny they have a similar shot with her eyes reflecting in gamble shroud but they'd light up from her emotional state and actually be seen in the blade. This would shock cinder a little giving Winter some time to run passed cinder to get to Weiss and help her get up. This way she's closer to the portal when Cinder blasts them so she can get through with Nora going in after and Ruby falling reaching for her.
When penny died to Cinder, all that ran in my mind was: "Was this all a convoluted ploy to nerf penny so cinder can finally win????" -taking away her robot characteristics and whatnot. she was able to solo that fool and said fool had help I was so convinced Nora would have gotten the powers instead of Winter. Anyways, let me consume this amazing video 😩✋🏽 To me, the lack of restrictions and characteristics that a character needs to achieve or possess to obtain the maiden powers allows for such a random and unearned ping pong of the maiden powers. Fundamentally, I feel all of this just spiraled to disaster because of the lack of a clear vision for this unique aspect of the magic system - should I even call it a magic system? Since uhh "NO WAY MAGIC EXISTS?!"
Cinder has SERIOUSLY overstayed her welcome and I kinda wish she'd just fucking die already so Salem can fully hold the spotlight. Cinder seems to only be kept alive for two reasons: one being that they need some kind of legacy(?) antagonist, and because they need an antagonist for the stupid relic subplots. I'm honestly tired of her presence on the show, and her fight scenes don't even make up for how extremely unlikable she is
I think they're building up to Ruby persuading Salem to stop. Penny's death is similar to Ozma's. She died came back and died again. Going through that will push Ruby past her breaking point. It also means however that she'll understand the despair Salem felt which means that she can recover and show genuine empathy. This would possibly persuade Salem to stop and realize the error of her ways.
Realistically...Penny ran from Cinder and dodged the majority of their fight at Amity. She was trying to draw her away from the arena and when they did "fight" it wasn't evenly balanced. I'm assuming Penny wasn't accustomed to the maiden powers but she didn't solo her. She barely held her off. She couldn't land an actual hit on her until Cinder and Emerald seemed to forget that a robot would have heat detection abilities. Even when Penny and Winter went at Cinder simultaneously, Cinder was beating them both...with just melee combat. Before she activated her maiden powers. It isn't that Penny lost to Cinder that is the issue, as much as people hate Cinder, it is irritating that her abilities are constantly downplayed when she's essentially an unstable one-woman-army with anger issues and zero impluse control. She beats herself more than others do. The main issue is that Penny was set up to die at all. Fuck a damn Cinder, Penny shouldn't have been brought back as some unnecessary plot device that ultimately went nowhere just to circle back around to Winter receiving the maiden powers... *which was the original plan from off jump* It was just a pointless waste of a character arc for no reason.
@@reyalfa18 Well, when she was destroyed the first time, as a robot, Pietro could only revive her using another portion of his own Aura. It's heavily implied that the maiden powers are tied to the Aura of an individual, rather than their physical body. So even if Penny wouldn't have to worry about a biological death, there is always the chance that she still could have been destroyed again. Pietro implied that he couldn't continue reviving her in this way upon her reintroduction to the story, so I wouldn't say she was _completely_ immortal. Also...side note: had Penny stayed alive, would the Aura that she received from her father remain with her after he passed away? Also, remembering that her first death in V3 was _not_ easily undone simply due to her being mechanical...why tf did they just *have* to make her a human???
@@mercury2157 I swear, I'm afraid that they'll somehow make Cinder the final endgame villain. I don't know how, but I feel like somehow they will completely replace Salem with Cinder.
This idea though. You basically added Loki's frost powers into Nora, who is Thor. I like the idea of Nora being able to use ice powers. The motif of Thor and Loki combining into Nora is extremely satisfying. Especially when Nora conjures up Penny's swords on her back and Pyrrha's weapons in her hands for the first half of the fight against Cinder. Why is it that the fans of this show seemingly always have more interesting ideas than the writers of the show.
Because the writers of the show are severely overworked and rushed to churn out anything that can get RT some money. (Seriously, the more you look into what happened to and stills happens to CRWBY, the worse it gets.)
@@Kiterpuss I had no idea, I thought only the animators were overworked. What in the world is going on at RT? Perhaps if they gave their writers and animators more time, we’d get something good for a change lol
@@ma.2089 They're all the same people at this point. It's why the dialogue and pacing are bad; the crew is churning out animations as fast as possible and they have no time to edit or refine anything. It's because RWBY is RTs primary income at this point due to fan loyalty so the company doesn't want to give that up to let the team actually work on the show's story
Remember back in V7 when we thought the last Winter Maiden was Nora's grandmother? good times. Back then I was split on who would get the powers because since V5 every current maiden was an enemy of the kingdom the powers originated from so Comrade Nora was a clear choice, but at the same time the maiden's are also kinda connected to the themes of their respective relics and Penny's a "creation". Despite the fact that two main characters are a heartbeat away from maidenhood I don't think any of the main characters will become maidens. RWBY's current meta is "take out the kids as quickly as possible so we don't have to animate their ridiculously complicated fighting styles and let the adults with simpler fight choreography handle things" and giving any of them maiden powers kinda runs counter to that. I really like the tie-in between Nora, Pyrrha, and their respective maiden journeys. However, that kind of implies that Nora and Jaune's gf were friends and teammates and there's nothing in the show to suggest that. (I did legit like it, I just can't stop throwing shade at the self-insert...and I just didn't it again, this is why I stopped watching)
Honestly to me Nora’s character should’ve been handled differently than what we got for vol 7and 8. Just my opinion though. They could’ve done a bit better route than the whole relationship problem, identity and be strong and hit stuff cringe. I’m just saying. Yang being the spring maiden and Nora being the winter maiden sound great! I still wish we got a flashback to show how the schnee siblings broke in their own ways because of Jacques and in turn giving more meat to the reasons for why winter followed ironwood as she did. We need a video on ironwood and how his character got destroyed by the writers. This was a good video. Still wish Nora got a weapon upgrade on some stormbreaker level shit. That would be been awesome! 14:32 if there’s Norse mythology behind this tree it’s gonna be a lot of wasted potential for Nora. Hell even Neo since she could play a Loki like role for the next volume. Just an idea. Wouldn’t maiden Nora’s flame eyes match her eye color?
I think the line of thinking during Penny's death was like: "Okay, this has to look deep and shit so... who's going to kill her?" "Oh, what about the person who killed her the first time?" "Pyrrha is dead, we can't use her" "Uh... what about that guy she had a crush on?" "Jaune?" "That's our guy 😎"
CRWBY: Wow, what a great idea! Let's kill Winter off next season to give the power to Nora (or Weiss) instead! :D NO! Stop juggling Maiden power like a game of hot potato already! Do something interesting with both the power and its' user, instead of making them a very bland temporarily power up that mark the user for death in the next few episodes.
In terms of using the Maidens as narrative concepts, I at least think it made sense to introduce them to the audience in V3 through Pyrrha/Cinder first. It intrigued us in terms of what affect they’d have on the story, but by killing Pyrrha and benching Cinder for a volume, they were able to stretch out that intrigue. It was only in V5 that we would get a taste of the Maidens’ potential through Raven vs Cinder. Granted, all of that still could’ve been written better, but I think putting those powers in the hands of a side character and a villain prevented any premature power creep in the main cast. … With all of that said, I really don’t think it makes sense to still be passing the Maiden powers off to yet ANOTHER side character in Volume fucking 8. Penny and Nora have been with us since the first volume, so I still consider them “main cast” even if they aren’t part of the titular quartet. Letting them be Maidens is a good compromise because they’ve got enough familiarity to the main cast to have compelling conversations about the struggles of their new abilities. This helps to keep the Maiden dilemma relevant to the plot and central characters w/o having to make all of Team RWBY the Maidens themselves. Imo, Winter inheriting the powers just isolates the Maiden plot further from the core cast at a point in the story where we’re actually gonna NEED those powers lol. By keeping such plot-relevant abilities these side characters, I think just distracts the audience from Team RWBY even more. If the story wants to talk about the Spring Maiden, that’ll only be relevant to Yang and not the team. If we wanna talk about Winter, that’s only for Weiss; same for Fall and Ruby. I don’t think the main four can afford to have the spotlight taken off of them any more than it already has been… My only solace is that the writers had the foresight(?) to gender-lock these Maiden powers, or else the entire B-plot of this show would’ve been dedicated to getting these powers to Jaune lmao 🙄.
If rules get bent to allow Ruby to use the Lamp even if she doesn't ask a question, what's to say some bullshit happens that allows Jaune to become the Legendary Super Maiden. Like what almost happened to that one red haired chick forever ago, before she got ganked by Cinder cause Jaune wasn't looking at the fucking door like Ozpin told him to.
Let's be honest, Jaune is literally just Miles self inserting himself into the series now, that's the only explanation for him randomly taking the plot hostage to be the main character and get scenes he doesn't deserve.
Honestly, the nail in the coffin was how Penny's death was handled. Why did that moment go to Jaune? He *barely* interacted with Penny, they have no history together. The one moment that absolutely should've gone to Ruby was given to Miles' self-insert character. I cannot understand the logic behind that decision.
I've seen blogs where it is stated that Jaune is actually written by Kerry and or Monty, with Miles not actually touching Jaune's character, but now I'm beginning to doubt that :p
Okay, I lowkey love your rewrite of the finale in this video. It makes so much more sense. I was waiting for Nora to go full badass (other than absorbing so much electricity) in this volume and we didn't get that in cannon unfortunately
If I recall correctly, the maiden powers ONLY transfer to the person in the final thoughts of the victim (otherwise it's randomized). I don't remember the exact phrasing, but the explanation in Volume 3 was that if a maiden were to be killed, the chances of the killer being the last person they remember is pretty high, since y'know, they killed them. But that's the thing. Killing a maiden doesn't GUARANTEE the powers, it's just way more likely. Now, if the victim was alone like with Amber, the killer being the last thought is expected. But Penny is surrounded by her friends, which are literally everyone else she would rather give the powers to than Cinder. Imagine this, Cinder kills Penny, she falls over and sees one of the girls before closing her eyes and dying. BOOM the powers go to them rather than Cinder. Alternatively, have Jaune rematch Cinder while Weiss talks to a dying Penny instead. Jaune can lose, but buys enough time and Penny's last conversation is with Weiss, hence she's the last person in her thoughts, and BOOM Weiss becomes the Winter maiden. How difficult is that? I honestly have a hard time believing Penny would think of Cinder as the last thought when her friends are fighting right beside her. She doesn't have to be killed by any of the protagonists for the powers to transfer, literally, you can still have Cinder kill Penny, that way we hate her more for all I care. We don't need needless melodrama when a better solution is right there. Am I being weird or is this a thing that should have happened?
That's what Cinder's weird grimm bug arm/glove thing was for right? It steals the victims soul/aura forcing the Maiden powers to transfer to Cinder. That's why she constantly uses it aggressively in fights despite it also being a huge weak point.
@@CandyGames63 I actually don't think it requires a concrete explanation. I'm not too sure how the arm works but I'm okay with certain things going unexplained, and based on Volume 3, it looks like Cinder siphoned the maiden power straight out of Amber using the arm, after shooting her with the arrow.
Something I noticed while watching the last few volumes 6 7 and 8 is that Nora Penny and Oscar all have a lot of different things in common or they parallel each other in many ways especially opinion Oscar and I wish they interacted as well especially considering they're struggling with their identities and taking on roles that have to do with magic and responsibility of taking care of the world and I think that would have been nice especially considering how Nora gets along and seems like she could be a sister figure to both of them
I think CRWBY desperately needs a continuity director. It seems like the writers quickly churn out these scripts in just first or second drafts and don't take time to reflect on the things they've previously written or established in earlier volumes. Hence so many retcons and inconsistencies.
@@izilladkilla That's basically what's happening, yeah. Except it's not up to CRWBY; they're rushed to churn out barely finished animations on insane deadlines by RT.
Personally, it’s very hard to believe any of these characters are as good of friends with each other as the show tells me they are because the show doesn’t show me that they are. Even the siblings (Ruby and Yang only, the dynamic between Winter and Weiss waaaaaay better) can barely convince me that they are siblings with how often they forget about each other. Honestly, the show could use a fresh restart, like what Celtic Phoenix is doing. It’s really hard to get invested in any character arc the show proposes because the odds that the character who received the arc gets either forgotten or ruined in the next Volume is very high.
I’d love Nora as a maiden, think of her fighting style plus maiden powers. It’d be awesome! Come someone write a fanfiction or a celticpheonix style rewrite? I need this!
Hoping to see Nora by episode 5 of Volume 9, probably to give a comedic or lighter mood from reuniting and since she’s usually absent for at most 4 episodes. Also after Ruby and Oscar, she has the most potential in Volume 9
I thought that the writers were actually setting this up at the beginning of the volume, with how Nora and Penny were becoming closer friends and Nora was having an arc about becoming something more than just the one who’s strong and hits stuff. Seemed like a logical idea to make Nora the maiden, but instead they give the role to Winter, a side character. It’s become obvious at this point that the maidens may as well be the main characters, which makes me wish they’d actually give the powers to a main character, especially a member of team RWBY who seem to be falling by the way side right now.
I think RT is stuck because Monty publicly stated that the maidens would never be team RWBY, and going plainly against Monty might be too risky considering RWBY is RTs main income right now.
The thing that bothers me about Winter becoming the Winter Maiden is that Penny was never trying to gatekeeper the powers. She was literally the only one who could get to Freya at the time being a machine as nether Winter nor Cinder could even touch the cold barrier Freya created. So it was ether Penny went to Freya who was waist deep in the grave at this point, or they ether risk Cinder somehow getting past the barrier and getting the power, or they loose the maiden powers entirely. And afterwards penny didn’t trust Ironwood with the powers. Not that she didn’t trust Winter, but the last time she sees her she’s in bad condition. In the end Penny could have ether given the powers to Ruby, who she offers them to her earlier. Weiss, who is the last one remaining who could get the powers and could use them to fight off Cinder. Or Nora who she knows is already past the portal and out of Cinders grasp. Even if somehow penny did think Winter was “ready,” how would she know? The only time Winter was mentioned to penny in Volume 8 was when the Ace Ops were trying to emotionally manipulate her. In the end it feels like Penny gave winter the powers because she was guilted into it because she was always “supposed,” to get them.
It’s frustrating they keep giving Jaune all that unnecessary attention. Although I didn’t have a problem with winter becoming the winter maiden, Nora would have been a great successor as well
The shade on Cinder/Salem is always present And I love it ❤️ Honestly, every time I watch your RWBY videos, I keep waiting for the moment when you talk about them Cuz you're right every time
You brought up a great point. It would’ve made more sense for Penny to pass the power to Nora being that she actually developed a bond with her versus with Winter. And the criteria for the maiden powers passing on just seems… I just don’t get the point of the maidens anymore. Like it’d be something if by gathering the powers of the maidens, something miraculous happens (like how gathering the princesses of heart in kingdom hearts one opens a door to Kingdom Hearts etc).
love this idea but i still can't stand the fact that penny dies a SECOND time. not only that, but her whole story arc this season just felt like a self-sacrificial person getting what they wanted in the end, instead of learning that their life has value. i significantly prefer the way she-ra handled that kind of story in season 5, highly recommend if you haven't already seen it. anyways thanks for another great vid! always love hearing your perspective
"However, we're working with what's on screen, and what's on screen isn't enough." How dare you, maybe if you read Supplemental Lore Book #372 it would make sense.
Thank you for this. Ren and Nora are the most overlooked people in the RWBY franchise. Nora as the Winter Maiden and Ren as her protector (hey, she does have to sleep and she's vulnerable then) are things VOLUMES could be written of.
Winter being Winter maiden It’s like Cinder falling down Penny life value is at little Ironwood having Iron heart Clover having lucky semblance Okay I’m thinking that they are people are basing there action on names -------------------- Besides puns: I thought that Penny would have given her power to Ruby. They are close together and as op it might be it be leading more force grand destiny and being her main protagonists. We learn about maiden capacity since it appear we finished with sliver eyes. But that just me
Listening to the rewrite of Nora getting the Maiden Powers made me realize something crucial about RWBY. The writing isn't the worst thing, but MAN does it drop the ball sometimes. It has a habit of setting itself up for the easiest layup, the most effortless dunk, only to throw the ball outta bounds. Nora had so much going for her in V8 with her struggling to find her own identity outside of Ren, speaking out against Ironwoord's actions, concern for the people of Mantle, risking her own life, and words of inspiration towards Penny. She had all the makings to be the next Maiden, but for some reason, she was shoved to the wayside. Now, I'm not saying that Winter being the Winter Maiden is terrible, but Nora as the Winter Maiden would've been a much better payoff, especially after all she went through.
I hadn't considered this before, but this actually REALLY works. And if there was some sort of bond between the souls of the previous maidens, then there could be the opportunity to act on the fact that Fria looked remarkably similar to Nora by making her her actual grandmother and giving Nora some closure about her family she may never have had. And my rewrite ideas were just the low-hanging fruit of Jaune basically defibrillating Penny back to life.
I dont mind winter getting the powers but everything they did with the winter power from volume 7-8 feels point less especially with penny art if they were just going to have winter be the winter ma maiden in the first place or even at the end they should just made winter the winter maiden I don't think they're going to make any of the girls on Ruby's team maidens at least I really hope they don't they already seem a bit Opie with some of their moves and stuff especially when you look back on earlier volumes especially volumes one through four with their fighting styles What I'm really hoping for is at some point without having to kill the mating somehow Oscar will get Oz's power back after they merge But I but I have to agree more than anything that Nora should have become the winter mating but what I'm really hoping for is that That volume before last cinder somehow gets killed off cuz let's be honest we don't need her being around in the last few volumes are in the last two volumes we should be focused on Salem and the gods of light and dark at the end of it especially since they're all going to be going back to beacon trying to get the last relic and only cinder can unlock the vault I think that Nora should end up becoming the fall maiden in Phyrra place
Yang and Nora being the maidens of spring and winter would be so great, Nora getting the power so she can protect her friends while trying to prevent another Pyrrha and Yang getting the power after Raven was killed to find out her mother cared for her and protected and watched from a far while hiding from Ozpin and Salem. Yang seeing Raven's memories. Or instead of Yang or Raven being the maidens it's Vernal and she joins the crew and respecting their rule breaking and going against the adults so that they can win the war. Salem realizing that she needs to up her game because now they have 2 maidens, a Relic, and Oz back. Penny not being turned into a human by Ambrosios and him telling her after he bought her back "I am a creator but I can not make something human, I can not bring your friend back human. Being human does not being flesh and bones but the means of a soul, heart, and a mind"
This was a fantastic video and I feel so cheated that it didn't happen. Would you ever consider doing a video on the state of Jaune? I truly believe that he is a very good boy, the goodest, but the way he's been written as a cringe self insert who is at the centre of everything is also hard to stomach. I really think there can be a balance of having him be the subversion of a main character cliché, but also a supporting character that does not upstage the others.
some part of me believes that the only reason they had Jaune kill Penny is because they thought it would be cool to actually have some fucking blood on his sword for once. Spoiler alert: it wasn't.
Protags that I think are doing well this season: Oscar, Penny, Nora and Ren Every other protags: *sipping tea* and *don't fight the grimm when mauling oscar*
The Whole Jaune killing Penny thing kinda reminds me the Point that another TH-cam Creator, hbomberguy, pointed out. He was a self insert of one of the creators. He's also voiced by one of the creators. Neptune was suppose to be the other, but he got scrapped with how people raised all hell because of it. Actually I think you would enjoy watching his video because he puts into perspective so someone who tried it, but saw the flaws right away, and wished there were more. He does make the same points but he adds to it a bit more as to why it's a problem in a story telling standpoint and maybe it may give ideas to your own versions of Rewrites. (Your video about the Lost Fable and His video are ones that got me trying out a complete AU version of RWBY set in a future version of a world of my own Creation which actually just tears down the plot foundation and reworks it. Still figuring out how I want to handle the Artifacts Vs Maiden thing because Not sure which will work better in my set up. Artifacts or Maidens (though third option is have the Maidens IN the artifacts and the artifacts choose their wielder, but that seems a bit kitschy).
Pietro sacrificing his life to Penny would be really bad tho since he is poc and disabled. Both minorities that deserve much better in media. Also this series already has such a big issue either killing off so many poc, vilifying them, or sidelining them. Like I’m actually worried the writers will eventually bring back Penny in this way. Also Penny shouldn’t have sacrificed herself period, considering she has so much suicidal ideation throughout V8. It’s honestly triggering and very icky they decided to have the things transpire the way they did. Her friends also spending the whole volume saying she deserves to be around, and fighting so much to keep her around. Only to have it not play out that way felt very cruel, and a very unsatisfying pay off to Penny’s arc. Self sacrifices can work just not in this context imo. Especially if it’s suppose to be finally giving a character agency that they’ve felt so deprived of, and a character that prior kept insisting to be killed. I’m not criticizing what you said considering you made it clear that you were gonna keep the things way went in that scene. I just brought this up because I feel nobody really has made a video to address how that aspect in the writing of Penny’s death is disgusting. That it should warrant more criticism.
You're right. It was stupid to make her act so self-sacrificial to the point she's suicidal. Like she thinks her sacrifice will matter. She needs to see the middle ground of her decision before executing or else she'll die for nothing.
Like what erks me the most is that we have a repeat of "Ohhh the teachers of the schools are actually baddies." With Mistral's and now Atlas' headmasters. Though be it they have different routes of becoming e v i l, it's still a rinse and repeat. Now that we are in Vacuo, is the headmaster gonna be evil as well??? Was Vale the only GOOD school with goody two shoes faculty?? Ironwood was literally part of the Maiden Protection Squad, he should have been more involved with protecting the Maidens, maybe guiding them to protect themselves and would really be nice to see him as the father role he was meant to be for Winter and Penny (Also Nora who really had no parental figure.)
RWBY; A show that's so empowering for women that a powerful female character randomly decides that she wants to die and let a man she barely knows and talks to kill her so that all the attention could be all on him
I feel like they could have done something interesting with Penny being turned human, but since she dies an episode after it happens it just ends up feeling like a way to kill her off for real since she's the only one besides confirmed immortal big bad who could come back from being killed
i think weiss would also be an interesting winter maiden bc pf her lack of trust in authority, as a maiden she’s be bound to the abstract authority of the greater hood and humanity as a whole, and it would be interesting to see her grapple with that (good to see is maybe a lil much)
Ahhhhh this was wonderful! As always you have such a good grasp of satisfying character connections, and you really make the most of the arcs that the Show Itself builds up and then chronically forgets about every time. Even just THESE changes would have gone a long way towards fixing the end of this volume, though I can't wait to see your overall vision for the entire volume as a whole. Four for you, Unicorn of War! You go Unicorn of War!
Watching this video made me realize that in RWBY the characters rarely talk about personal things that happened in previous volumes An example: Yang never talked to Blake about her leaving and Blake never tries to explain why she ran away in the first place You can argue that Weiss already explained what happened in that conversation they had But Blake doesn't even apologize for leaving or for what happened to her arm (Yeah, I know it wasn't her fault, but it fits her character) Are you going to try to sell me the idea that all it took was one conversation with Sun to stop her from blaming herself for things beyond her control? Okay, go ahead But how did that stop her from apologizing for leaving Yang at such a difficult time in her life? Even Ruby looked more sorry when Yang found her in vol 5 It just... doesn't feel natural to me
I genuinely thought they were building up to Nora getting the powers... I don't consistently keep up with RWBY anymore but Nora is probably my favorite character so I def felt a bit cheated
I was really hoping Nora would be it, but at some point Jaune took up some screen-time making me think they were gonna break the rules and make him...a maiden...or...if jaune wants to coin a male term for himself
Given who Jaunes VA is. It's just creepy and cringe of how much screentime they've been giving him. He absolutely has no reason to be with the girls in Volume 9. HE HAS HIS CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. NORA WOULDVE BEEN PERFECT.
Look, if Jaune was the one to get the Maiden powers from Penny, then I would excuse him killing her. But no. RT y'all are just experts in dropping the ball huh lmao But I really like this concept! Nora definitely deserves a more important role in the show.
@@star22sally67 The Maiden Powers go to the last person in the Maiden's thoughts, and we have proof that the person who murdered a Maiden can get the powers like what happened with Cinder and Amber. Unfortunately, because Jaune's a man, he doesn't get the power so it went to the next person that Penny was thinking about which was Winter. My main issue is that RT is implying that the Maiden powers favor a certain gender, which completely excludes literally anyone who's not a woman from getting the Maiden powers and that's not even getting into the logistics of who counts as 'female' can a transgender female get the powers? How about somebody who presents as female but is non-binary or identifies as a man? It's something that RT needs to clarify. But my main point: how did Penny (who is not even a human being, let alone a woman) get the powers?? If we look at it from a logical standpoint, Penny has the aura of Pietro who is a man. So, if we go by the logic of "Penny has an aura so she has a soul" this means she can have Maiden powers which subsequently means the whole Maiden powers being gender biased towards women is nothing but garbage because of the fact that an old man's Aura got the Maiden powers. And I don't think the argument of "Penny made the aura of her own" is valid because she's a f****** robot, she only outputs what gets input if that makes sense. I apologize for my one month late response I literally did not see that you responded to me, TH-cam only alerts me when I get likes not when I get replies smh.
I was so happy to see a new upload. Your V8 rewrite and a fantastic JNR V6 missing scene fanfic. Thanks for RWBY content that makes me feel fuzzy inside.
References to Twiin’s, Judgemental, Alison, a clear expression of your critiques, and presented in a very organized way. Subscribing now. I expect good things.
I am not going to lie I have a feeling the reason Winter got them was actually because they intended for Weiss to get them in the end from Winter. They didn't know how to write that in logically after kinda writing themselves into a hole with the twist of Penny getting them since she and Roman both weren't initially intended to survive this long if I recall correctly. That's why we got the fake out with her and Weiss at the end. I'm not going to lie I honestly thougt she was going to get them from Penny then but I think the writers probably decided that was too OP for the team at this moment and not nearly as heart wrenching/ heartfelt as Weiss getting the powers from Winter even though this lined up to make more sense in the moment. I think it's that they hit a wierd indecisive spot with who to give the powers to and when to do so before all of team rwby probably ultimately gets them to face Salem with. Therefore it feels like we're just shoving them off on anyone ultimately expendable till we can kill them off so that each of the main team that gets powers have a reason to. I feel like Yang will get hers from Raven, Weiss from Winter, and Blake the summer maiden powers somehow. Then I think the remaining fall powers will go to someone important to Cinder or to Nora or Rwby depending on if they see Rwby getting them as well as her eyes as too op though I do agree I like the idea of Nora getting it her getting it makes a llot more sense
This would make too much sense, Nora becoming more like her Thor inspiration, inheriting the "protector of Mantle" from Penny, just being a powerhouse in general.
tbh I'm fine with winter being the winter maiden. and Nora would have been a better maiden. but I had a feeling back in Vol 3 when they first revealed the maidens that winter was the winter maiden at the time or would have become eventually. it just kinda made sense with the names of the maidens following which maiden season they were especially when they said the vernal was the spring maiden before the revel that it was Raven instead. I feel like if RT did a better job of setting up winter's character into becoming the winter maiden it wouldn't feel cheap. but the problem boils down to how much time they gave the writes which I don't think was enough
Once again you make a way better version of RWBY than the canon. We were completely robbed from Maiden Nora and I am very dissapointed as well. I have been thinking for so long that she was going to be the maiden, even before the finale came out :/
What you said about Winter replacing Jacque with IronWood was awesome. However, I refuse to believe that the writers for this show thought about that😂😂
Something inside Penny was swirling inside of her, and it wasn't the power of the Maiden. She didn't quite understand what it meant, but she knew it meant the end. "Will it hurt?" Penny asked her solemnly. Nora kneeled beside Penny and held her close, too pained to look her in the eyes. "I'll make sure it won't."
Another thing I’d add to your list of why Nora should have been the maiden narratively speaking would be because of Cinder’s backstory. Now obviously they wanted to focus on the elite vs poor idea and how she justifies it yadi yadi ya, basically explain that one line at the end of volume 7, but one thing I focused on was her neck scar. Clearly the point of Cinder’s origin was just to finally explain her origin for whatever reason and because of that all they needed to do was show it and why she acts this way. HOWEVER, they went out of their way to emphasize her neck scar that she hides and this make the concept of scars something we should take note of because of how unnecessary it was to the origin and who else is shown to have scars in this volume, Nora.
This was my hope the whole way through the season; every moment they were together and the connections between her and Penny paralleled one another so much. I've been watching this show for so long and since day 1 I felt like there was more to Nora; hell the most recent seasons show that. I waited with baited breath every episode with the hope that she'd get the maiden powers because the name of the first winter maiden we see is a nod to Norse Mythology. I had such high hopes and I can't imagine something more perfect than your rewrite. In my opinion Nora always had main character potential; but the events of each season blot her out. She and Phyrra were close, they relied on one another as a support, they gave advice to one another, they smiled and laughed with one another but we didn't see her openly greave her death only look bitter when she was brought up. For a long time she served as the muscle of the team; protecting her team mates (and team RWBY), be it emotionally or physically. She's been at the core of most of the main conflicts supporting everyone even to the point it could drain her mentally and we see that in this season. She begins questioning herself; everything she's done, how she feels like she's just a wall of meat that takes beating after beating for all the people around her while most of the time she doesn't get it back. She doesn't fully understand why she's fighting and what she's fighting for. Even Weiss can't fully understand the emotions she's experiencing and tells her to try and separate herself from Ren to try figure it out. Nora and Penny's relationship however in this season gave her that; it gave her more of that sense of self she needed, being someone who feels the emotions of others so much compared to Penny who as we know is a machine; something that normally couldn't understand the concept of emotions despite that then further pushing the narrative that Penny is human. Nora needed someone to help her understand her emotions; something which most her team and the main team don't seem to get either. Aside from Nora I'd say Penny is one of the most human and feeling characters in the show and I feel they needed to lean on one another to get to the point they did. Nora knowing that she's more than muscle, more than a wall of meat, more than Ren and Penny knowing that she's more than a robot, she's more than a virus. They're both thinking, feeling and emotional characters who want to protect their friends and the people of Mantle and understanding that leads them to being able to clearly fight for what they believe in. Nora and Penny instilled a sense of self in one another. This was an incredible video and I really loved it! Thank you so so so much for it. I'm looking forward to seeing more of your content; sorry for such a long post!!! 🥰😚
I really enjoyed this take on the ending of volume 8, you have some really compelling ideas and your outline works very well.😁 I agree that Winter shouldn't have become the Maiden, though for different reasons. I think that we should have gotten a short scene of her talking to Penny when they were coming up with the plan to take out Ironwood. Even if it was just over the phone. Winter should have shared that she has come to the realisation she only wanted the Maiden power to help Ironwood fulfil his goals and that she had no real desire for it herself. She craves the predictable stability and security of a command structure and being the Maiden would take her away from that. She should have had her moment to thank Penny for saving her from sacrificing her future to become Ironwoods puppet, instead of his trusted second in command, especially as she now sees that he is out of control and she has only just begun to go against his orders. What would she have willingly done to the people of Mantle and Atlas if she'd had the power all this time? It should horrify her. Then when Penny is injured and pleading with someone to help her end her life, she knows not to choose Winter. There is another thing I think is something of a missed oppertunity; Jaune's character moment. Everything would be the same as you outlined until the moment when they have to choose someone to go for help. How to stop that from being a problem? Easy; they aren't together on the same platform. They both join the fight. When Penny asks him to kill her, he refuses. She pleads and we get the moment of Jaune's reflection in his sword, his internal turmoil. And then he stows it away, picks up Penny and runs with her to the portal while Nora and Ruby help Weiss to distract Cinder and keep her busy. His archetype is a paladin; a defender who shields others from harm and heals the wounded. It would be a powerful moment for him to put away his sword and become the defender he is meant to be. To leave the fight with Cinder, not because he was forced to by Pyrrah, or because he was defeated, but by his own choice. To turn his back on his moment for revenge and focus on what is really important to him; saving the people he cares about. This will keep Penny as the Maiden, stop Jaune from falling and give Nora the chance to fall in his place. Ruby could even get a hit on Cinder with the blade of Gambol Shroud. This would help with Ruby's 'loss of innocence', or 'coming to terms with the reality of what she'll have to do to prevent the world ending threat', whichever is more to your taste, by having her spill the blood of her enemy for the first time. She freezes, looking at the bloody blade. Perhaps her silver eyes begin to painfully act up again. Cinder is enraged, and probably frightened by the flashing silver light, and attempts to blow her off the platform. Weiss steps in and takes the blast for Ruby... just as Winter enters from one of the portals. Cinder is surprised and annoyed to have gotten the wrong person, but Winter's impotent screams of rage and grief from so far away are amusing enough to soothe her ego, until a bright green blast nearly knocks her from the sky. She grins thinking its the Winter Maiden, only to notice that Penny is nowhere to be seen. She's escaped, and it was Winter who had attacked her, using Ironwoods super-gun-thing as she has no ranged attacks without her aura which was broken in the fight with Ironwood. Cinder decides to cut her losses and uses the staff. As for Nora, when they are all running for the portal, she notices Ruby falling behind and turns around, only Magnhild is caught in the disappearing portal just as it dematerialises and damaged. Nora and Ruby fall, while Magnhild malfunctions and automatically reconfigures itself back into a hammer and falls after them, as Mjolnir followed Thor to Earth. This will allow Nora to get some development along with team RWBY and Neo. In fact having Neo and Nora isolated together could really help the two of them shine as actual characters and not just the 'other half' of their respective duo's. Nora could later evolve her semblance with manefested lightning because her hammer has become just that, a plain hammer until it can be fixed. This way, when she becomes the Winter Maiden at a later date, she has already come to know herself and who she is. Her identity would then be complemented by the Maiden power, instead of being eclipsed by it.
So Nora should have gotten bestowed an identity... Rather than having to figure one out for herself? Also what was the buildup for her having any relevance to the winter maiden at all outside of having a similar hairstyles as Fria?
for some reason, i feel like the plan was originally to give nora the maiden powers, but the writers fell into the plot twist² hole: people were starting to theorize that nora would be the winter maiden even before penny got the powers, only for penny to become the maiden. then they build up penny and noras bond, making it almost obvious that if penny were to die, nora would get the power (because we cant make ruby a maiden, that would just make her more of a mary sue) but when penny dies they decided to loop back and give winter the powers to outplay the expected plot twist. its "game of thrones" levels of reach-around plot twists.
I think it's pretty sound in its simplicity, her last name is Valkyrie and the Maiden powers develop wing like looks on the eyes similar to a Valkyries wing's. A Valkyrie is also referred to as a Warrior Maiden. They hinted at a Nora backstory in Atlas. This is the type of stuff that should be asked at a panel but at the same time is pointless cause we know crwby will respond with 1. Time restrictions and 2. We went a different route. Nice video UOW
Every fanfic that I've written that sees through to Frya dying, I change who get's the power of the winter maiden. Penny dosn't need to be given magic powers to prove that she has a soul or is real or some other such thing. Even if she had no aura, her AI is advanced enough to recognize that she is "alive." Winter getting the power was stupid, and plot derived because they killed Penny, the only reason Penny didn't give it to Ruby was because they KO'd Ruby early so Penny probably thought she was dead. Even if she's been preparing herself for years to become the winter maiden, didn't Watts just give Cinder a speach about how it's not enough to strugle for power, and one has to acctually be worthy of it? Winter has only just turned her life around from being groomed by Ironwood most of her life, and is nowhere near ready for that kind of self governance. Of the people that it could have gone to, Weiss, because it would be such a fucking moment, if one of the main characters got the power, and on top of that it drags Winter's betrayal of Ironwood the the forefront of the story, because we've got a high ranking military officer betraying her supiriors for her family. Nora can work, but my take on Nora is that she's already more powerful than most people realize through an evolution of her semblance, that allows her to not only absorb electricity, but also *generate it.* (This one requires plot changes to V3, IE...) If Pyrrha survived Beacon, and held a rivalry gruge against Cinder, not only would we see a bunch of awsome back and forth banter from the two as they scale each other in fights, but by giving said rivals equal amounts of magic we can get those crazy Haven vault fights more often.
THIS is why I'm going to do everything in my capabilities to create a spin off series about Nora and Ren BEFORE volume 1. What were their lives like? How did they survive? Where did Ren learn all those moves and skills? WHO IS NORA'S GRANDMOTHER!??
I didn't even consider Nora becoming the Winter Maiden as a possibility until watching this video and now I'm upset it didn't happen. Seriously though, you have a point. Isn't Ruby supposed to be the protagonist? What the heck did she even do these last two volumes? At this point, I'm just accepting the fact that there is no true protagonist. Teams RWBY and JNPR (minus the P, rest in peace Pyrrha) are the main characters.
bro I havent watched this show in so long now, and now that im finally trying to get back into it I realize they killed my favorite character, penny, like damn, the only reason I was trying to watch it again is because I heard they had brought her back
I dropped the show after Monty died but just got back into in the last few months and the main problem is that Monty knew the plot and didn't write it out fully and now its being written by people changing the plot. Monty plan was for Winter being the maiden not the writers.
11:03 I appreciate the sentiment that penny carried Nora because she cared, but lets be real. They replaced the strong character (yang) with the other strong character (Nora) and then knocked her out. The only character physically strong enough to charry a whole person is Penny, the robot who could probably lift a truck if she wanted.
Consider this (my personal theory): at the end of the series, all four members of team RWBY will be the maidens. Winter will die and pass winter to Weiss, Raven will die and pass spring to Yang, when Cinder dies, she'll inadvertently pass fall to Ruby, and something will happen that will make Blake summer. If Nora becomes a maiden, it'll literally be a death sentence.
When you get right down to it, someone told me that Nora becoming the Winter Maiden would've bridged the gap between "Making one of the main characters a Maiden" and "Making one of the main characters too powerful due to being a Maiden" quite well, since Nora's not one of the main team. Personally, I always considered Team JNPR as secondary main characters. I also would've been interested in seeing Winter hit rock bottom after all that's happened and not getting the powers and I would've liked to see how her character develops from it. Also, I don't mind Penny becoming human, even if it was a little out of left field. Human Penny has a lot of potential as well as Winter Maiden Nora. RT wasted two perfect opportunities. It would be awesome if Penny developed her own Semblance that involved communicating and/or controlling machines. Finally, if Pietro does revive Penny, I don't want him to die right away. Let's say he'll now have only a few days to live that way he can spend his last days with Penny before his final hour. It could also teach Penny to not be so self-sacrificial as her father gave his life to revive her because he can't live without her and she should already know that. It's what a father would do. He can't keep reviving her without shortening his lifespan. She can't keep dying knowing she'll be rebuilt while slowly killing her father. Even if she died as a human, Pietro will probably revive her because she's everything to him and to everybody. Thus she'll learn to not keep throwing away her life so recklessly. Plus, Maidens die when they transfer the power anyway because they're bound to them. So the quick death was pointless.
I really wish they did do it like this. It sounds so good and makes way more sense. I kinda wish the writer thought more about this, but I feel like it is 100% their fault it ended up like this.
Ngl I've only watched the rewrite of volume 8 I've not tried to watch the original one And I keep getting surprised by how different things are every time a video is released?? Idk, I've never seen such a dedicated rewrite so I'm surprised by how much is actually different
Winter being Winter maiden…. Is little on nose. With that logic with my name Lillie should get Ruby cape and female protagonists because we both have a flower in our name. I mean at this point it would bit sense a slightly bit just enough….
Gods, just imagining Nora screaming “this is for Phyria” fills me with sadness that we’ll never actually see that
I've basically accepted that Pyrrha is never going to be avenged, and even when Cinder FINALLY FUCKING DIES, it's gonna be even lamer than Adam's death or even Jacque's death, and there's not gonna be any catharsis because RWBY has lost all emotional connections with anything related to pre-volume 4 at this point
Phyria Nikos
THIS is the thing they should be throwing Juane at, full stop.
@@vidmuncher I mean they.... tried??? I guess??? In volume 5, but of course the battle of Haven just had to go and be the battle of Haven
Personally, I don't mind the IDEA of Winter becoming the maiden, even via Penny's death, but you really hit the nail on the head with how the two just don't interact enough to sell it properly. Ignoring how I think Ironwood suddenly turning evil was dumb on it's own, I wish at least Winter had opted to not be on the effectively "bad guys" side for the whole volume, and instead was working with Penny and the others to allow that bond to be properly established. Your "Thor Ragnarock-Nora with Pink lightning" sounds rad as balls and I'm now mad it's not real XD
Grazie! It's just so exhausting seeing how often they drop the ball when it comes to character writing. Even with this little Nora Maiden fix, the problems are so deeply entrenched that it's hard to isolate just one issue without realizing it's entangled in a mesh of other mistakes. (also loved the Ironwood video, holy crap that was a satisfying watch)
@@UnicornofWar The problems in RWBY's writing really are like layers of an onion at this point.
Also, thank you!
@Twiins ink And you. You’re intending to give this living contradiction special treatment all because he delusionally believes is as efficient as a novel writer? Let me not mince my words and make it clear for it to be burned into your soul: one of the few things I respect is truth. As I mean people who throw away this flimsy veneer of superiority through exaggerating negative qualities of a show while ignoring RWBY’s positive qualities and become increasingly petty in their demands even though the writers and directors are beyond that stage of being overshadowed by their former choreographer. Deep down, all that you know is these people have spirits and minds that are lower than plankton yet have egos as the size of the stars to overcompensate and overestimate who they really are, and what you need to do is to remind them (including yourself) to know their place, since all of you seem to be obsessed with the perfect RWBY that will never come to be.
@@harryshum4139 Bro, I don't even agree with most of his takes, but what the fuck does half of what you said even mean? I feel like I had a stroke trying to read that garbage lmao.
@@ravenbranwen9701 Sometimes, people can take their expectations too far and try to drag down anything into their personal problems and ideals, believing that if someone like an idol or creator can’t do it right, then they should do better. The problem is that people can’t seem to let go with the fact that RWBY as of now is different from the fluid, action-filled show it once was after Volume 3, and because it now has a story, they expect more from the writers and continue to look down on them for flaws (protagonist-centered morality, hypocrisy, character derailment, the hive-mind nonsense, everything about Ironwood and RWBY, seemingly wasted potential, lack of character focus, no time/budget for scenes needed, supplementary material as a “crutch”) that can be easily justified by looking back at the show again or are things that are beyond their control. I theorize that the reason people are divisive about RWBY now is because of the environment and incidents in Rooster Teeth’s animation studio for a past few years, and the fact that what the audience sees in RWBY is the action, and when your main choreographer gets taken away, you get a story where people will continuously barrage CRWBY with insults and holier-than-thou opinions over the pettiest things like writing, budget/time, scrapped content, character bloat, lack of RWBY focus (RWBY aren’t the only protagonists, you know), lack of Atlas exploration (tell that to Mistral), characters that act out of line, books that expand the world (seriously?), and changes in choreography. While these naysayers can soothe their wounded, blue-balled egos with their “rewrites” and fan-fics they believe are better than canon, I still give out hope that the story continues until the very end and to a lesser extent, Volume 5 is fixed akin to Zack Snyder's Justice League and maybe a RWBY-centric fighting game is released to the public.
The way things are going Jaune will be the summer maiden
A-fuckin' men
No they’ll revive summer and make her the summer maiden
No they’ll revive summer and make her the summer maiden
Honestly there was some foreshadowing for this in prior seasons, and you could genuinely argue that Penny (a robot with an aura from a man) becoming a maiden implies that the maidens don't actually have to be women. Like it could actually be a plot point that made more sense than 80% of the rest of the show lol
@@Kiterpuss I assume you mean in the sense that Penny isn't an organic woman......
When you said Nora should have been the one to kill Penny, I instantly imagined Nora smashing Penny's head like a watermelon. Damn.........
Says "Be strong and hit stuff" before tearfully full-charging her forward smash
Such an emotional moment but I'm laughing my ass off
@@rev0lve638 RIP Penny Polendina again
First she was Darth Maul'd, then she was Joel'd
So here's something I realized: The reason they made Ruby fall so early is so they could justify Penny not giving the maiden powers to her, because Penny thought she was already dead.
It's still bad, to be clear. But I think that was why they went with such a bizarre decision to KO Ruby only halfway through like that.
Except, it make it even worse, because Ruby isn't dead. So Penny should be thinking of Ruby BECAUSE she's 'dead' (mourning)
@@maxentirunos i mean, Penny was making a conscious decision to think about Winter in her last moments, so I think that's makes sense enough on its own. Whole thing is still a mess though
I agree that’s why they did it. But Thomas’ scenario words better. From pragmatic standpoint there’s actually good reason not to give Ruby the maiden powers. It boils down to this, how will the maiden powers effect the silver eyes? We don’t know, all Ruby knows is they keep roasting Cinder and she has no idea why. I’m not sure if that’s been explained, if it’s the maiden powers or something else. But personally I think it’s a fair point and good reason for Ruby to say I don’t want the maiden powers.
@@JulietStMoon my issue with Penny thinking about who to give the Maiden powers to is that it was presented in a way that implies the Maiden transition would turn the tide of the *current* battle, but Winter was in a totally different place from it and was getting her shit rocked by Ironwood. If Ironwood didn't hesitate and Winter fell there, Penny's sacrifice likely wouldn't have paid off at all, which just circles back to the belief that Nora should've been given the Winter Maiden powers.
@@mercury2157 yeah the whole thing didn't make any sense. Why did Penny want to give it to someone so far away? It really feels like the writers suddenly had a change of heart about bringing Penny back and making her a maiden after volume 7 and wanted to course correct back to Winter for whatever reason. Just extremely weird, and I would give a lot to be a fly on the wall in the writing room when they made those decisions.
I think the most frustrating thing is that you can see the writers going "Haha! You expected Nora to become the Winter Maiden simply because every writing rule would indicate that she would! But we made Winter the Maiden instead! Aren't we so clever and subversive?"
"Haha! You expected Nora to become the Winter Maiden simply because"
A bunch of weird ass heads canons and one conversation between Penny and Nora somehow makes them the closest characters in the series now.
I don't think the writers think that hard about their writing . . .
Like Sherlock but cgi
@@Hartzilla2007 you say that like Thomas wasn't right in most cases, and as if any of the relationships in this show are even believable at all
@@mercury2157 They are probably more believable than pulling one entirely out of one's ass at the last minute.
lesson of the day; why the side characters are getting the character archs that the main 4 should be getting
Because Miles keeps forgetting the character he voices is not the main protagonist lol
@@izilladkilla I've been saying for years now that it's baffling that he managed to make three consistently good seasons of red vs blue consecutively, and then just totally forgot how to write
his problems don't even show in just RWBY. rvb17 had the wash screaming moment, which was a reference to miles overlooking the obvious solution to an in-universe problem. it's a cheeky joke on the surface but it just goes to show that he's a very, VERY bad writer
@@mercury2157 A broken clock is right twice a day, or 3 in this case
I'll be honest, I never interpreted that scene where they're in Schnee manor and Winter tells Penny she "wouldn't understand" as Winter revealing she doesn't see Penny as a real person, I just interpreted it as it was presented at surface level. Winter said "you wouldn't understand", and meant it as "this is a very personal matter, no one who didn't go through the same thing would understand, including you", but Penny, carrying doubts about her own real person status interprets it as "you're a machine, you wouldn't understand emotions". Winter picks up on this and clarifies her meaning to Penny by saying "this place holds a lot of memories for me specifically". I always got the impression that Winter saw Penny sort of like a child, still a real person, but in need of a lot of life lessons.
This exactly! Did... Did people not pick up on that?
Case in point
Giving the maiden power to Penny to subvert expectations and prove she's just as human as any of the other characters: 10/10
Penny being turned into a flesh and blood human and immediately killed: 1/10
one step forward and two lightyears back
1/10? That's quite generous of you.
Too generous 2nd review.
The writers are so fucking scared of giving Nora any identity beyond Ren. In volume 7, standing with Mantle put her in opposition to Ren. In early volume 8, her internal conflict was fuelled by her relationship with Ren. In later volume 8, Ren confesses, but she asks for time to figure herself out- so _no matter what,_ Ren is still her finish line. Right now, she's defined as 'not Ren's girlfriend _yet.'_
If she had gotten the powers, she would have been defined as a Maiden, giving her a clear direction to explore her identity, and as stated in the video, realize herself as a protector of the people. But instead of expanding on her volume 7 struggle to champion Mantle, her development is all about her strained relationship with Ren. And if Nora had become the Maiden, she would have become _much_ more important than Ren [and Jaune], so we can't have that now can we. The status quo _must_ be maintained.
I wish Ren had told her that he doesn't love her the way she loves him. I wish they had subverted the hetero expectations of a boy and a girl inevitably falling in romantic love with each other. I wish Renora wasn't this destined thing at the end of their character development that MUST happen no matter what.
I thought making Winter the Winter Maiden was actually a great choice. What didn't make sense to me was making Penny the Winter Maiden only to kill her off shortly thereafter. To be honest I think my biggest gripe is what is the point of the Maidens if they are not going to be Team RWBY? Cause eventually I still see Team RWBY becoming the Maidens to defeat Salem. Cinder gives her power to Ruby, Winter to Weiss, Raven to Yang.
This, This is legit the ONLY reason I’m okay with Winter having it. Only plm is, who is going to give it too Blake?
They probably want to avoid making team RWBY too powerful or too special, which shouldn't even be a concern anymore because everyone on the show who isn't Neo is hilariously incompetent and Team RWBY accomplishes nothing.
I hope Emerald or Neo ending up getting Fall Maiden powers
@@theamazingmaymay123 we'll find out in Vaccuo probably... maybe... or they might not
@@theamazingmaymay123 Illya, I’m willing to put money on it
I agree 100 percent with this, but an extra thing I would've added is that when Ruby would kill Penny they have a similar shot with her eyes reflecting in gamble shroud but they'd light up from her emotional state and actually be seen in the blade. This would shock cinder a little giving Winter some time to run passed cinder to get to Weiss and help her get up. This way she's closer to the portal when Cinder blasts them so she can get through with Nora going in after and Ruby falling reaching for her.
When penny died to Cinder, all that ran in my mind was:
"Was this all a convoluted ploy to nerf penny so cinder can finally win????"
-taking away her robot characteristics and whatnot. she was able to solo that fool and said fool had help
I was so convinced Nora would have gotten the powers instead of Winter.
Anyways, let me consume this amazing video 😩✋🏽
To me, the lack of restrictions and characteristics that a character needs to achieve or possess to obtain the maiden powers allows for such a random and unearned ping pong of the maiden powers. Fundamentally, I feel all of this just spiraled to disaster because of the lack of a clear vision for this unique aspect of the magic system - should I even call it a magic system? Since uhh
"NO WAY MAGIC EXISTS?!"
Cinder has SERIOUSLY overstayed her welcome and I kinda wish she'd just fucking die already so Salem can fully hold the spotlight. Cinder seems to only be kept alive for two reasons: one being that they need some kind of legacy(?) antagonist, and because they need an antagonist for the stupid relic subplots. I'm honestly tired of her presence on the show, and her fight scenes don't even make up for how extremely unlikable she is
I think they're building up to Ruby persuading Salem to stop. Penny's death is similar to Ozma's. She died came back and died again. Going through that will push Ruby past her breaking point. It also means however that she'll understand the despair Salem felt which means that she can recover and show genuine empathy. This would possibly persuade Salem to stop and realize the error of her ways.
Realistically...Penny ran from Cinder and dodged the majority of their fight at Amity. She was trying to draw her away from the arena and when they did "fight" it wasn't evenly balanced. I'm assuming Penny wasn't accustomed to the maiden powers but she didn't solo her. She barely held her off. She couldn't land an actual hit on her until Cinder and Emerald seemed to forget that a robot would have heat detection abilities. Even when Penny and Winter went at Cinder simultaneously, Cinder was beating them both...with just melee combat. Before she activated her maiden powers. It isn't that Penny lost to Cinder that is the issue, as much as people hate Cinder, it is irritating that her abilities are constantly downplayed when she's essentially an unstable one-woman-army with anger issues and zero impluse control. She beats herself more than others do.
The main issue is that Penny was set up to die at all. Fuck a damn Cinder, Penny shouldn't have been brought back as some unnecessary plot device that ultimately went nowhere just to circle back around to Winter receiving the maiden powers... *which was the original plan from off jump* It was just a pointless waste of a character arc for no reason.
@@reyalfa18 Well, when she was destroyed the first time, as a robot, Pietro could only revive her using another portion of his own Aura. It's heavily implied that the maiden powers are tied to the Aura of an individual, rather than their physical body. So even if Penny wouldn't have to worry about a biological death, there is always the chance that she still could have been destroyed again. Pietro implied that he couldn't continue reviving her in this way upon her reintroduction to the story, so I wouldn't say she was
_completely_ immortal. Also...side note: had Penny stayed alive, would the Aura that she received from her father remain with her after he passed away? Also, remembering that her first death in V3 was _not_ easily undone simply due to her being mechanical...why tf did they just *have* to make her a human???
@@mercury2157 I swear, I'm afraid that they'll somehow make Cinder the final endgame villain. I don't know how, but I feel like somehow they will completely replace Salem with Cinder.
This idea though. You basically added Loki's frost powers into Nora, who is Thor. I like the idea of Nora being able to use ice powers. The motif of Thor and Loki combining into Nora is extremely satisfying.
Especially when Nora conjures up Penny's swords on her back and Pyrrha's weapons in her hands for the first half of the fight against Cinder.
Why is it that the fans of this show seemingly always have more interesting ideas than the writers of the show.
Because the writers of the show are severely overworked and rushed to churn out anything that can get RT some money. (Seriously, the more you look into what happened to and stills happens to CRWBY, the worse it gets.)
@@Kiterpuss I had no idea, I thought only the animators were overworked. What in the world is going on at RT? Perhaps if they gave their writers and animators more time, we’d get something good for a change lol
@@ma.2089 They're all the same people at this point. It's why the dialogue and pacing are bad; the crew is churning out animations as fast as possible and they have no time to edit or refine anything. It's because RWBY is RTs primary income at this point due to fan loyalty so the company doesn't want to give that up to let the team actually work on the show's story
Because fan rewrites arent hampered and tetheted to animation or writing stresses that the team are under
Honestly, rwby had these types of writting problems before the staffs work environment became so unpleasant.
Remember back in V7 when we thought the last Winter Maiden was Nora's grandmother? good times. Back then I was split on who would get the powers because since V5 every current maiden was an enemy of the kingdom the powers originated from so Comrade Nora was a clear choice, but at the same time the maiden's are also kinda connected to the themes of their respective relics and Penny's a "creation".
Despite the fact that two main characters are a heartbeat away from maidenhood I don't think any of the main characters will become maidens. RWBY's current meta is "take out the kids as quickly as possible so we don't have to animate their ridiculously complicated fighting styles and let the adults with simpler fight choreography handle things" and giving any of them maiden powers kinda runs counter to that.
I really like the tie-in between Nora, Pyrrha, and their respective maiden journeys. However, that kind of implies that Nora and Jaune's gf were friends and teammates and there's nothing in the show to suggest that.
(I did legit like it, I just can't stop throwing shade at the self-insert...and I just didn't it again, this is why I stopped watching)
Honestly to me Nora’s character should’ve been handled differently than what we got for vol 7and 8.
Just my opinion though.
They could’ve done a bit better route than the whole relationship problem, identity and be strong and hit stuff cringe.
I’m just saying.
Yang being the spring maiden and Nora being the winter maiden sound great!
I still wish we got a flashback to show how the schnee siblings broke in their own ways because of Jacques and in turn giving more meat to the reasons for why winter followed ironwood as she did.
We need a video on ironwood and how his character got destroyed by the writers.
This was a good video.
Still wish Nora got a weapon upgrade on some stormbreaker level shit. That would be been awesome!
14:32 if there’s Norse mythology behind this tree it’s gonna be a lot of wasted potential for Nora. Hell even Neo since she could play a Loki like role for the next volume. Just an idea.
Wouldn’t maiden Nora’s flame eyes match her eye color?
I think the line of thinking during Penny's death was like:
"Okay, this has to look deep and shit so... who's going to kill her?"
"Oh, what about the person who killed her the first time?"
"Pyrrha is dead, we can't use her"
"Uh... what about that guy she had a crush on?"
"Jaune?"
"That's our guy 😎"
CRWBY: Wow, what a great idea! Let's kill Winter off next season to give the power to Nora (or Weiss) instead! :D
NO! Stop juggling Maiden power like a game of hot potato already! Do something interesting with both the power and its' user, instead of making them a very bland temporarily power up that mark the user for death in the next few episodes.
In terms of using the Maidens as narrative concepts, I at least think it made sense to introduce them to the audience in V3 through Pyrrha/Cinder first. It intrigued us in terms of what affect they’d have on the story, but by killing Pyrrha and benching Cinder for a volume, they were able to stretch out that intrigue. It was only in V5 that we would get a taste of the Maidens’ potential through Raven vs Cinder. Granted, all of that still could’ve been written better, but I think putting those powers in the hands of a side character and a villain prevented any premature power creep in the main cast.
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With all of that said, I really don’t think it makes sense to still be passing the Maiden powers off to yet ANOTHER side character in Volume fucking 8. Penny and Nora have been with us since the first volume, so I still consider them “main cast” even if they aren’t part of the titular quartet. Letting them be Maidens is a good compromise because they’ve got enough familiarity to the main cast to have compelling conversations about the struggles of their new abilities. This helps to keep the Maiden dilemma relevant to the plot and central characters w/o having to make all of Team RWBY the Maidens themselves.
Imo, Winter inheriting the powers just isolates the Maiden plot further from the core cast at a point in the story where we’re actually gonna NEED those powers lol. By keeping such plot-relevant abilities these side characters, I think just distracts the audience from Team RWBY even more. If the story wants to talk about the Spring Maiden, that’ll only be relevant to Yang and not the team. If we wanna talk about Winter, that’s only for Weiss; same for Fall and Ruby. I don’t think the main four can afford to have the spotlight taken off of them any more than it already has been…
My only solace is that the writers had the foresight(?) to gender-lock these Maiden powers, or else the entire B-plot of this show would’ve been dedicated to getting these powers to Jaune lmao 🙄.
If rules get bent to allow Ruby to use the Lamp even if she doesn't ask a question, what's to say some bullshit happens that allows Jaune to become the Legendary Super Maiden. Like what almost happened to that one red haired chick forever ago, before she got ganked by Cinder cause Jaune wasn't looking at the fucking door like Ozpin told him to.
Let's be honest, Jaune is literally just Miles self inserting himself into the series now, that's the only explanation for him randomly taking the plot hostage to be the main character and get scenes he doesn't deserve.
Honestly, the nail in the coffin was how Penny's death was handled. Why did that moment go to Jaune? He *barely* interacted with Penny, they have no history together. The one moment that absolutely should've gone to Ruby was given to Miles' self-insert character. I cannot understand the logic behind that decision.
5 writers for season 8 and they still call jaune a miles self-insert great job guys
I've seen blogs where it is stated that Jaune is actually written by Kerry and or Monty, with Miles not actually touching Jaune's character, but now I'm beginning to doubt that :p
@@ferrytannoto72 I seriously doubt that, he's a lead writer.
@@izilladkilla Yeah, me too, he's still on the writing team even though he left RT.
Okay, I lowkey love your rewrite of the finale in this video. It makes so much more sense. I was waiting for Nora to go full badass (other than absorbing so much electricity) in this volume and we didn't get that in cannon unfortunately
If I recall correctly, the maiden powers ONLY transfer to the person in the final thoughts of the victim (otherwise it's randomized). I don't remember the exact phrasing, but the explanation in Volume 3 was that if a maiden were to be killed, the chances of the killer being the last person they remember is pretty high, since y'know, they killed them.
But that's the thing. Killing a maiden doesn't GUARANTEE the powers, it's just way more likely.
Now, if the victim was alone like with Amber, the killer being the last thought is expected. But Penny is surrounded by her friends, which are literally everyone else she would rather give the powers to than Cinder.
Imagine this, Cinder kills Penny, she falls over and sees one of the girls before closing her eyes and dying. BOOM the powers go to them rather than Cinder.
Alternatively, have Jaune rematch Cinder while Weiss talks to a dying Penny instead. Jaune can lose, but buys enough time and Penny's last conversation is with Weiss, hence she's the last person in her thoughts, and BOOM Weiss becomes the Winter maiden. How difficult is that?
I honestly have a hard time believing Penny would think of Cinder as the last thought when her friends are fighting right beside her. She doesn't have to be killed by any of the protagonists for the powers to transfer, literally, you can still have Cinder kill Penny, that way we hate her more for all I care. We don't need needless melodrama when a better solution is right there.
Am I being weird or is this a thing that should have happened?
That's what Cinder's weird grimm bug arm/glove thing was for right? It steals the victims soul/aura forcing the Maiden powers to transfer to Cinder. That's why she constantly uses it aggressively in fights despite it also being a huge weak point.
@@TheOverlordBL Really? When did they explain that? Must have missed that
@@CandyGames63 I actually don't think it requires a concrete explanation. I'm not too sure how the arm works but I'm okay with certain things going unexplained, and based on Volume 3, it looks like Cinder siphoned the maiden power straight out of Amber using the arm, after shooting her with the arrow.
One question remains: Why are Maidens bound to the power?
11/10! You worded it all so perfectly!
Also, now I really wish Nora had at least have been the one to fall with the rest of team RWBY!
Something I noticed while watching the last few volumes 6 7 and 8 is that Nora Penny and Oscar all have a lot of different things in common or they parallel each other in many ways especially opinion Oscar and I wish they interacted as well especially considering they're struggling with their identities and taking on roles that have to do with magic and responsibility of taking care of the world and I think that would have been nice especially considering how Nora gets along and seems like she could be a sister figure to both of them
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You know I am ALWAYS on that Penny/Pine Parallels agenda
Rwby really is Whose Line Is It Anyway. Where everything's made up and the previous episodes don't matter.
That’s an insult to WLIIA
I think CRWBY desperately needs a continuity director. It seems like the writers quickly churn out these scripts in just first or second drafts and don't take time to reflect on the things they've previously written or established in earlier volumes. Hence so many retcons and inconsistencies.
@@izilladkilla That's basically what's happening, yeah. Except it's not up to CRWBY; they're rushed to churn out barely finished animations on insane deadlines by RT.
Personally, it’s very hard to believe any of these characters are as good of friends with each other as the show tells me they are because the show doesn’t show me that they are. Even the siblings (Ruby and Yang only, the dynamic between Winter and Weiss waaaaaay better) can barely convince me that they are siblings with how often they forget about each other. Honestly, the show could use a fresh restart, like what Celtic Phoenix is doing. It’s really hard to get invested in any character arc the show proposes because the odds that the character who received the arc gets either forgotten or ruined in the next Volume is very high.
Anyone else think the Silver Eyes are pointless?
Definitely too Deus Ex Machina’y.
I helps that ruby cant just glare and use them, though they feel a bit tacked on sometimes
Yes. They don't have plot relevance. Except for like two scenes that don't get followed up on
I’d love Nora as a maiden, think of her fighting style plus maiden powers. It’d be awesome!
Come someone write a fanfiction or a celticpheonix style rewrite? I need this!
Hoping to see Nora by episode 5 of Volume 9, probably to give a comedic or lighter mood from reuniting and since she’s usually absent for at most 4 episodes. Also after Ruby and Oscar, she has the most potential in Volume 9
I thought that the writers were actually setting this up at the beginning of the volume, with how Nora and Penny were becoming closer friends and Nora was having an arc about becoming something more than just the one who’s strong and hits stuff. Seemed like a logical idea to make Nora the maiden, but instead they give the role to Winter, a side character. It’s become obvious at this point that the maidens may as well be the main characters, which makes me wish they’d actually give the powers to a main character, especially a member of team RWBY who seem to be falling by the way side right now.
Yang being the next spring!
I think RT is stuck because Monty publicly stated that the maidens would never be team RWBY, and going plainly against Monty might be too risky considering RWBY is RTs main income right now.
Nora is not interesting. They dumped her character, they promised to give her backstory but only delivered through one lazy sentence "orphanage".
@@kingraplhmativo5178 I think that “backstory” was was just hype from her voice actor in preparation for vol 7.
The thing that bothers me about Winter becoming the Winter Maiden is that Penny was never trying to gatekeeper the powers. She was literally the only one who could get to Freya at the time being a machine as nether Winter nor Cinder could even touch the cold barrier Freya created. So it was ether Penny went to Freya who was waist deep in the grave at this point, or they ether risk Cinder somehow getting past the barrier and getting the power, or they loose the maiden powers entirely. And afterwards penny didn’t trust Ironwood with the powers. Not that she didn’t trust Winter, but the last time she sees her she’s in bad condition.
In the end Penny could have ether given the powers to Ruby, who she offers them to her earlier. Weiss, who is the last one remaining who could get the powers and could use them to fight off Cinder. Or Nora who she knows is already past the portal and out of Cinders grasp. Even if somehow penny did think Winter was “ready,” how would she know? The only time Winter was mentioned to penny in Volume 8 was when the Ace Ops were trying to emotionally manipulate her.
In the end it feels like Penny gave winter the powers because she was guilted into it because she was always “supposed,” to get them.
Yeah, plus in the end, it made Penny getting the powers pointless.
It’s frustrating they keep giving Jaune all that unnecessary attention. Although I didn’t have a problem with winter becoming the winter maiden, Nora would have been a great successor as well
Why not have Jaune AND Nora be by Penny's side at that moment?
The shade on Cinder/Salem is always present
And I love it ❤️
Honestly, every time I watch your RWBY videos, I keep waiting for the moment when you talk about them
Cuz you're right every time
You brought up a great point. It would’ve made more sense for Penny to pass the power to Nora being that she actually developed a bond with her versus with Winter. And the criteria for the maiden powers passing on just seems… I just don’t get the point of the maidens anymore. Like it’d be something if by gathering the powers of the maidens, something miraculous happens (like how gathering the princesses of heart in kingdom hearts one opens a door to Kingdom Hearts etc).
love this idea but i still can't stand the fact that penny dies a SECOND time. not only that, but her whole story arc this season just felt like a self-sacrificial person getting what they wanted in the end, instead of learning that their life has value. i significantly prefer the way she-ra handled that kind of story in season 5, highly recommend if you haven't already seen it. anyways thanks for another great vid! always love hearing your perspective
"However, we're working with what's on screen, and what's on screen isn't enough."
How dare you, maybe if you read Supplemental Lore Book #372 it would make sense.
This show literally killed my favorite character twice. The only reason I still acknowledge its existence is to watch your content
Bruh THREE times technically
Thank you for this. Ren and Nora are the most overlooked people in the RWBY franchise. Nora as the Winter Maiden and Ren as her protector (hey, she does have to sleep and she's vulnerable then) are things VOLUMES could be written of.
Winter being Winter maiden
It’s like Cinder falling down
Penny life value is at little
Ironwood having Iron heart
Clover having lucky semblance
Okay I’m thinking that they are people are basing there action on names
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Besides puns: I thought that Penny would have given her power to Ruby.
They are close together and as op it might be it be leading more force grand destiny and being her main protagonists. We learn about maiden capacity since it appear we finished with sliver eyes.
But that just me
Listening to the rewrite of Nora getting the Maiden Powers made me realize something crucial about RWBY. The writing isn't the worst thing, but MAN does it drop the ball sometimes. It has a habit of setting itself up for the easiest layup, the most effortless dunk, only to throw the ball outta bounds. Nora had so much going for her in V8 with her struggling to find her own identity outside of Ren, speaking out against Ironwoord's actions, concern for the people of Mantle, risking her own life, and words of inspiration towards Penny. She had all the makings to be the next Maiden, but for some reason, she was shoved to the wayside. Now, I'm not saying that Winter being the Winter Maiden is terrible, but Nora as the Winter Maiden would've been a much better payoff, especially after all she went through.
I hadn't considered this before, but this actually REALLY works. And if there was some sort of bond between the souls of the previous maidens, then there could be the opportunity to act on the fact that Fria looked remarkably similar to Nora by making her her actual grandmother and giving Nora some closure about her family she may never have had.
And my rewrite ideas were just the low-hanging fruit of Jaune basically defibrillating Penny back to life.
I dont mind winter getting the powers but everything they did with the winter power from volume 7-8 feels point less especially with penny art if they were just going to have winter be the winter ma maiden in the first place or even at the end they should just made winter the winter maiden I don't think they're going to make any of the girls on Ruby's team maidens at least I really hope they don't they already seem a bit Opie with some of their moves and stuff especially when you look back on earlier volumes especially volumes one through four with their fighting styles
What I'm really hoping for is at some point without having to kill the mating somehow Oscar will get Oz's power back after they merge
But I but I have to agree more than anything that Nora should have become the winter mating but what I'm really hoping for is that That volume before last cinder somehow gets killed off cuz let's be honest we don't need her being around in the last few volumes are in the last two volumes we should be focused on Salem and the gods of light and dark at the end of it especially since they're all going to be going back to beacon trying to get the last relic and only cinder can unlock the vault I think that Nora should end up becoming the fall maiden in Phyrra place
Yang and Nora being the maidens of spring and winter would be so great, Nora getting the power so she can protect her friends while trying to prevent another Pyrrha and Yang getting the power after Raven was killed to find out her mother cared for her and protected and watched from a far while hiding from Ozpin and Salem. Yang seeing Raven's memories. Or instead of Yang or Raven being the maidens it's Vernal and she joins the crew and respecting their rule breaking and going against the adults so that they can win the war. Salem realizing that she needs to up her game because now they have 2 maidens, a Relic, and Oz back.
Penny not being turned into a human by Ambrosios and him telling her after he bought her back "I am a creator but I can not make something human, I can not bring your friend back human. Being human does not being flesh and bones but the means of a soul, heart, and a mind"
This was a fantastic video and I feel so cheated that it didn't happen.
Would you ever consider doing a video on the state of Jaune? I truly believe that he is a very good boy, the goodest, but the way he's been written as a cringe self insert who is at the centre of everything is also hard to stomach.
I really think there can be a balance of having him be the subversion of a main character cliché, but also a supporting character that does not upstage the others.
some part of me believes that the only reason they had Jaune kill Penny is because they thought it would be cool to actually have some fucking blood on his sword for once. Spoiler alert: it wasn't.
That require the writers to actually THINK.
Protags that I think are doing well this season:
Oscar, Penny, Nora and Ren
Every other protags: *sipping tea* and *don't fight the grimm when mauling oscar*
The Whole Jaune killing Penny thing kinda reminds me the Point that another TH-cam Creator,
hbomberguy, pointed out. He was a self insert of one of the creators. He's also voiced by one of the creators. Neptune was suppose to be the other, but he got scrapped with how people raised all hell because of it. Actually I think you would enjoy watching his video because he puts into perspective so someone who tried it, but saw the flaws right away, and wished there were more. He does make the same points but he adds to it a bit more as to why it's a problem in a story telling standpoint and maybe it may give ideas to your own versions of Rewrites. (Your video about the Lost Fable and His video are ones that got me trying out a complete AU version of RWBY set in a future version of a world of my own Creation which actually just tears down the plot foundation and reworks it. Still figuring out how I want to handle the Artifacts Vs Maiden thing because Not sure which will work better in my set up. Artifacts or Maidens (though third option is have the Maidens IN the artifacts and the artifacts choose their wielder, but that seems a bit kitschy).
She actually has seen it.
@@reyalfa18 no, but it is talked about in couple of videos of hers.
I assume Winter was first friend of Penny but they underdeveloped that concept.
But Penny was so overly ecstatic about Ruby calling her a friend in volume 1 that I think Ruby must have been her first ever friend.
Pietro sacrificing his life to Penny would be really bad tho since he is poc and disabled. Both minorities that deserve much better in media. Also this series already has such a big issue either killing off so many poc, vilifying them, or sidelining them. Like I’m actually worried the writers will eventually bring back Penny in this way.
Also Penny shouldn’t have sacrificed herself period, considering she has so much suicidal ideation throughout V8. It’s honestly triggering and very icky they decided to have the things transpire the way they did. Her friends also spending the whole volume saying she deserves to be around, and fighting so much to keep her around. Only to have it not play out that way felt very cruel, and a very unsatisfying pay off to Penny’s arc. Self sacrifices can work just not in this context imo. Especially if it’s suppose to be finally giving a character agency that they’ve felt so deprived of, and a character that prior kept insisting to be killed. I’m not criticizing what you said considering you made it clear that you were gonna keep the things way went in that scene. I just brought this up because I feel nobody really has made a video to address how that aspect in the writing of Penny’s death is disgusting. That it should warrant more criticism.
You're right. It was stupid to make her act so self-sacrificial to the point she's suicidal. Like she thinks her sacrifice will matter. She needs to see the middle ground of her decision before executing or else she'll die for nothing.
Like what erks me the most is that we have a repeat of "Ohhh the teachers of the schools are actually baddies." With Mistral's and now Atlas' headmasters. Though be it they have different routes of becoming e v i l, it's still a rinse and repeat. Now that we are in Vacuo, is the headmaster gonna be evil as well??? Was Vale the only GOOD school with goody two shoes faculty?? Ironwood was literally part of the Maiden Protection Squad, he should have been more involved with protecting the Maidens, maybe guiding them to protect themselves and would really be nice to see him as the father role he was meant to be for Winter and Penny (Also Nora who really had no parental figure.)
RWBY; A show that's so empowering for women that a powerful female character randomly decides that she wants to die and let a man she barely knows and talks to kill her so that all the attention could be all on him
Damm, savage but true
I feel like they could have done something interesting with Penny being turned human, but since she dies an episode after it happens it just ends up feeling like a way to kill her off for real since she's the only one besides confirmed immortal big bad who could come back from being killed
i think weiss would also be an interesting winter maiden bc pf her lack of trust in authority, as a maiden she’s be bound to the abstract authority of the greater hood and humanity as a whole, and it would be interesting to see her grapple with that (good to see is maybe a lil much)
Literally got a RWBY tattoo. Haven’t been able to watch since like season 5. Videos like these are the only way I sorta know what the show is up to.
Ahhhhh this was wonderful! As always you have such a good grasp of satisfying character connections, and you really make the most of the arcs that the Show Itself builds up and then chronically forgets about every time. Even just THESE changes would have gone a long way towards fixing the end of this volume, though I can't wait to see your overall vision for the entire volume as a whole. Four for you, Unicorn of War! You go Unicorn of War!
Watching this video made me realize that in RWBY the characters rarely talk about personal things that happened in previous volumes
An example:
Yang never talked to Blake about her leaving and Blake never tries to explain why she ran away in the first place
You can argue that Weiss already explained what happened in that conversation they had
But Blake doesn't even apologize for leaving or for what happened to her arm (Yeah, I know it wasn't her fault, but it fits her character)
Are you going to try to sell me the idea that all it took was one conversation with Sun to stop her from blaming herself for things beyond her control? Okay, go ahead
But how did that stop her from apologizing for leaving Yang at such a difficult time in her life?
Even Ruby looked more sorry when Yang found her in vol 5
It just... doesn't feel natural to me
I genuinely thought they were building up to Nora getting the powers... I don't consistently keep up with RWBY anymore but Nora is probably my favorite character so I def felt a bit cheated
I was really hoping Nora would be it, but at some point Jaune took up some screen-time making me think they were gonna break the rules and make him...a maiden...or...if jaune wants to coin a male term for himself
Nora makes so much more sense than Winter becoming the next maiden!!!
Given who Jaunes VA is. It's just creepy and cringe of how much screentime they've been giving him. He absolutely has no reason to be with the girls in Volume 9. HE HAS HIS CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT. NORA WOULDVE BEEN PERFECT.
Again Miles Luna has a massive ego
@@djmars1983 further evidenced that they decided to make Jaune of all goddamn people a milf magnet in V7
Look, if Jaune was the one to get the Maiden powers from Penny, then I would excuse him killing her. But no. RT y'all are just experts in dropping the ball huh lmao
But I really like this concept! Nora definitely deserves a more important role in the show.
Wait why didn't Jaune get the powers? Dont the powers go the the person that killed the maiden?
@@star22sally67 The Maiden Powers go to the last person in the Maiden's thoughts, and we have proof that the person who murdered a Maiden can get the powers like what happened with Cinder and Amber. Unfortunately, because Jaune's a man, he doesn't get the power so it went to the next person that Penny was thinking about which was Winter.
My main issue is that RT is implying that the Maiden powers favor a certain gender, which completely excludes literally anyone who's not a woman from getting the Maiden powers and that's not even getting into the logistics of who counts as 'female' can a transgender female get the powers? How about somebody who presents as female but is non-binary or identifies as a man? It's something that RT needs to clarify.
But my main point: how did Penny (who is not even a human being, let alone a woman) get the powers??
If we look at it from a logical standpoint, Penny has the aura of Pietro who is a man. So, if we go by the logic of "Penny has an aura so she has a soul" this means she can have Maiden powers which subsequently means the whole Maiden powers being gender biased towards women is nothing but garbage because of the fact that an old man's Aura got the Maiden powers. And I don't think the argument of "Penny made the aura of her own" is valid because she's a f****** robot, she only outputs what gets input if that makes sense.
I apologize for my one month late response I literally did not see that you responded to me, TH-cam only alerts me when I get likes not when I get replies smh.
I was so happy to see a new upload. Your V8 rewrite and a fantastic JNR V6 missing scene fanfic.
Thanks for RWBY content that makes me feel fuzzy inside.
References to Twiin’s, Judgemental, Alison, a clear expression of your critiques, and presented in a very organized way. Subscribing now. I expect good things.
I am not going to lie I have a feeling the reason Winter got them was actually because they intended for Weiss to get them in the end from Winter. They didn't know how to write that in logically after kinda writing themselves into a hole with the twist of Penny getting them since she and Roman both weren't initially intended to survive this long if I recall correctly. That's why we got the fake out with her and Weiss at the end. I'm not going to lie I honestly thougt she was going to get them from Penny then but I think the writers probably decided that was too OP for the team at this moment and not nearly as heart wrenching/ heartfelt as Weiss getting the powers from Winter even though this lined up to make more sense in the moment. I think it's that they hit a wierd indecisive spot with who to give the powers to and when to do so before all of team rwby probably ultimately gets them to face Salem with. Therefore it feels like we're just shoving them off on anyone ultimately expendable till we can kill them off so that each of the main team that gets powers have a reason to. I feel like Yang will get hers from Raven, Weiss from Winter, and Blake the summer maiden powers somehow. Then I think the remaining fall powers will go to someone important to Cinder or to Nora or Rwby depending on if they see Rwby getting them as well as her eyes as too op though I do agree I like the idea of Nora getting it her getting it makes a llot more sense
This would make too much sense, Nora becoming more like her Thor inspiration, inheriting the "protector of Mantle" from Penny, just being a powerhouse in general.
8.37 - you can't prove anything about my expenses. ANYTHING!
tbh I'm fine with winter being the winter maiden. and Nora would have been a better maiden. but I had a feeling back in Vol 3 when they first revealed the maidens that winter was the winter maiden at the time or would have become eventually. it just kinda made sense with the names of the maidens following which maiden season they were especially when they said the vernal was the spring maiden before the revel that it was Raven instead. I feel like if RT did a better job of setting up winter's character into becoming the winter maiden it wouldn't feel cheap. but the problem boils down to how much time they gave the writes which I don't think was enough
I'm so glad I'm not the only one that thought this and was floored by the writing 'subversion'/undoing all their own work
Once again you make a way better version of RWBY than the canon. We were completely robbed from Maiden Nora and I am very dissapointed as well. I have been thinking for so long that she was going to be the maiden, even before the finale came out :/
I hope your new-found energy for all these RWBY videos never runs out!
What you said about Winter replacing Jacque with IronWood was awesome. However, I refuse to believe that the writers for this show thought about that😂😂
I'm so glad you're finally back with your rwby content love it!
Something inside Penny was swirling inside of her, and it wasn't the power of the Maiden. She didn't quite understand what it meant, but she knew it meant the end.
"Will it hurt?" Penny asked her solemnly.
Nora kneeled beside Penny and held her close, too pained to look her in the eyes.
"I'll make sure it won't."
Another thing I’d add to your list of why Nora should have been the maiden narratively speaking would be because of Cinder’s backstory. Now obviously they wanted to focus on the elite vs poor idea and how she justifies it yadi yadi ya, basically explain that one line at the end of volume 7, but one thing I focused on was her neck scar. Clearly the point of Cinder’s origin was just to finally explain her origin for whatever reason and because of that all they needed to do was show it and why she acts this way.
HOWEVER, they went out of their way to emphasize her neck scar that she hides and this make the concept of scars something we should take note of because of how unnecessary it was to the origin and who else is shown to have scars in this volume, Nora.
This was my hope the whole way through the season; every moment they were together and the connections between her and Penny paralleled one another so much.
I've been watching this show for so long and since day 1 I felt like there was more to Nora; hell the most recent seasons show that.
I waited with baited breath every episode with the hope that she'd get the maiden powers because the name of the first winter maiden we see is a nod to Norse Mythology.
I had such high hopes and I can't imagine something more perfect than your rewrite.
In my opinion Nora always had main character potential; but the events of each season blot her out.
She and Phyrra were close, they relied on one another as a support, they gave advice to one another, they smiled and laughed with one another but we didn't see her openly greave her death only look bitter when she was brought up.
For a long time she served as the muscle of the team; protecting her team mates (and team RWBY), be it emotionally or physically.
She's been at the core of most of the main conflicts supporting everyone even to the point it could drain her mentally and we see that in this season.
She begins questioning herself; everything she's done, how she feels like she's just a wall of meat that takes beating after beating for all the people around her while most of the time she doesn't get it back. She doesn't fully understand why she's fighting and what she's fighting for.
Even Weiss can't fully understand the emotions she's experiencing and tells her to try and separate herself from Ren to try figure it out.
Nora and Penny's relationship however in this season gave her that; it gave her more of that sense of self she needed, being someone who feels the emotions of others so much compared to Penny who as we know is a machine; something that normally couldn't understand the concept of emotions despite that then further pushing the narrative that Penny is human.
Nora needed someone to help her understand her emotions; something which most her team and the main team don't seem to get either.
Aside from Nora I'd say Penny is one of the most human and feeling characters in the show and I feel they needed to lean on one another to get to the point they did.
Nora knowing that she's more than muscle, more than a wall of meat, more than Ren and Penny knowing that she's more than a robot, she's more than a virus.
They're both thinking, feeling and emotional characters who want to protect their friends and the people of Mantle and understanding that leads them to being able to clearly fight for what they believe in.
Nora and Penny instilled a sense of self in one another.
This was an incredible video and I really loved it! Thank you so so so much for it. I'm looking forward to seeing more of your content; sorry for such a long post!!! 🥰😚
I really enjoyed this take on the ending of volume 8, you have some really compelling ideas and your outline works very well.😁
I agree that Winter shouldn't have become the Maiden, though for different reasons. I think that we should have gotten a short scene of her talking to Penny when they were coming up with the plan to take out Ironwood. Even if it was just over the phone. Winter should have shared that she has come to the realisation she only wanted the Maiden power to help Ironwood fulfil his goals and that she had no real desire for it herself. She craves the predictable stability and security of a command structure and being the Maiden would take her away from that. She should have had her moment to thank Penny for saving her from sacrificing her future to become Ironwoods puppet, instead of his trusted second in command, especially as she now sees that he is out of control and she has only just begun to go against his orders. What would she have willingly done to the people of Mantle and Atlas if she'd had the power all this time? It should horrify her.
Then when Penny is injured and pleading with someone to help her end her life, she knows not to choose Winter.
There is another thing I think is something of a missed oppertunity; Jaune's character moment.
Everything would be the same as you outlined until the moment when they have to choose someone to go for help. How to stop that from being a problem? Easy; they aren't together on the same platform. They both join the fight.
When Penny asks him to kill her, he refuses. She pleads and we get the moment of Jaune's reflection in his sword, his internal turmoil. And then he stows it away, picks up Penny and runs with her to the portal while Nora and Ruby help Weiss to distract Cinder and keep her busy. His archetype is a paladin; a defender who shields others from harm and heals the wounded. It would be a powerful moment for him to put away his sword and become the defender he is meant to be. To leave the fight with Cinder, not because he was forced to by Pyrrah, or because he was defeated, but by his own choice. To turn his back on his moment for revenge and focus on what is really important to him; saving the people he cares about. This will keep Penny as the Maiden, stop Jaune from falling and give Nora the chance to fall in his place.
Ruby could even get a hit on Cinder with the blade of Gambol Shroud. This would help with Ruby's 'loss of innocence', or 'coming to terms with the reality of what she'll have to do to prevent the world ending threat', whichever is more to your taste, by having her spill the blood of her enemy for the first time. She freezes, looking at the bloody blade. Perhaps her silver eyes begin to painfully act up again. Cinder is enraged, and probably frightened by the flashing silver light, and attempts to blow her off the platform. Weiss steps in and takes the blast for Ruby... just as Winter enters from one of the portals. Cinder is surprised and annoyed to have gotten the wrong person, but Winter's impotent screams of rage and grief from so far away are amusing enough to soothe her ego, until a bright green blast nearly knocks her from the sky. She grins thinking its the Winter Maiden, only to notice that Penny is nowhere to be seen. She's escaped, and it was Winter who had attacked her, using Ironwoods super-gun-thing as she has no ranged attacks without her aura which was broken in the fight with Ironwood. Cinder decides to cut her losses and uses the staff.
As for Nora, when they are all running for the portal, she notices Ruby falling behind and turns around, only Magnhild is caught in the disappearing portal just as it dematerialises and damaged. Nora and Ruby fall, while Magnhild malfunctions and automatically reconfigures itself back into a hammer and falls after them, as Mjolnir followed Thor to Earth. This will allow Nora to get some development along with team RWBY and Neo. In fact having Neo and Nora isolated together could really help the two of them shine as actual characters and not just the 'other half' of their respective duo's. Nora could later evolve her semblance with manefested lightning because her hammer has become just that, a plain hammer until it can be fixed.
This way, when she becomes the Winter Maiden at a later date, she has already come to know herself and who she is. Her identity would then be complemented by the Maiden power, instead of being eclipsed by it.
As member of the Nora fan club since day one this video had my love at the title.
So Nora should have gotten bestowed an identity... Rather than having to figure one out for herself? Also what was the buildup for her having any relevance to the winter maiden at all outside of having a similar hairstyles as Fria?
THIS! This is the exact reason I’m glad this didn’t happen. Her drive to find an identity for herself would mean nothing if she was simply given one.
"Cinder is piss--"
...well, yes.
"Cider is pissed"
That too.
for some reason, i feel like the plan was originally to give nora the maiden powers, but the writers fell into the plot twist² hole: people were starting to theorize that nora would be the winter maiden even before penny got the powers, only for penny to become the maiden. then they build up penny and noras bond, making it almost obvious that if penny were to die, nora would get the power (because we cant make ruby a maiden, that would just make her more of a mary sue) but when penny dies they decided to loop back and give winter the powers to outplay the expected plot twist. its "game of thrones" levels of reach-around plot twists.
Nora with the Winter Maiden powers is like Fimblewinter, the Super-Winter (not the character) that preludes Ragnarok.
Never in my life will I watch this show but I will certainly watch your videos about it!
Ice and lightning powers? Really rockin that Norse background in this re write, huh?
17:16 weird coincidence, but a thunderstorm just appeared outta nowhere once I reached this part of the video lol.
I think it's pretty sound in its simplicity, her last name is Valkyrie and the Maiden powers develop wing like looks on the eyes similar to a Valkyries wing's. A Valkyrie is also referred to as a Warrior Maiden. They hinted at a Nora backstory in Atlas.
This is the type of stuff that should be asked at a panel but at the same time is pointless cause we know crwby will respond with 1. Time restrictions and 2. We went a different route.
Nice video UOW
If Nora became the winter maiden we would've had Infinity War Thor on the team
Every fanfic that I've written that sees through to Frya dying, I change who get's the power of the winter maiden. Penny dosn't need to be given magic powers to prove that she has a soul or is real or some other such thing. Even if she had no aura, her AI is advanced enough to recognize that she is "alive."
Winter getting the power was stupid, and plot derived because they killed Penny, the only reason Penny didn't give it to Ruby was because they KO'd Ruby early so Penny probably thought she was dead. Even if she's been preparing herself for years to become the winter maiden, didn't Watts just give Cinder a speach about how it's not enough to strugle for power, and one has to acctually be worthy of it? Winter has only just turned her life around from being groomed by Ironwood most of her life, and is nowhere near ready for that kind of self governance.
Of the people that it could have gone to, Weiss, because it would be such a fucking moment, if one of the main characters got the power, and on top of that it drags Winter's betrayal of Ironwood the the forefront of the story, because we've got a high ranking military officer betraying her supiriors for her family.
Nora can work, but my take on Nora is that she's already more powerful than most people realize through an evolution of her semblance, that allows her to not only absorb electricity, but also *generate it.*
(This one requires plot changes to V3, IE...) If Pyrrha survived Beacon, and held a rivalry gruge against Cinder, not only would we see a bunch of awsome back and forth banter from the two as they scale each other in fights, but by giving said rivals equal amounts of magic we can get those crazy Haven vault fights more often.
THIS is why I'm going to do everything in my capabilities to create a spin off series about Nora and Ren BEFORE volume 1.
What were their lives like? How did they survive? Where did Ren learn all those moves and skills?
WHO IS NORA'S GRANDMOTHER!??
I didn't even consider Nora becoming the Winter Maiden as a possibility until watching this video and now I'm upset it didn't happen.
Seriously though, you have a point. Isn't Ruby supposed to be the protagonist? What the heck did she even do these last two volumes? At this point, I'm just accepting the fact that there is no true protagonist. Teams RWBY and JNPR (minus the P, rest in peace Pyrrha) are the main characters.
To be honest I feel like they have too many main protagonist
bro I havent watched this show in so long now, and now that im finally trying to get back into it I realize they killed my favorite character, penny, like damn, the only reason I was trying to watch it again is because I heard they had brought her back
I dropped the show after Monty died but just got back into in the last few months and the main problem is that Monty knew the plot and didn't write it out fully and now its being written by people changing the plot. Monty plan was for Winter being the maiden not the writers.
11:03 I appreciate the sentiment that penny carried Nora because she cared, but lets be real. They replaced the strong character (yang) with the other strong character (Nora) and then knocked her out. The only character physically strong enough to charry a whole person is Penny, the robot who could probably lift a truck if she wanted.
Consider this (my personal theory): at the end of the series, all four members of team RWBY will be the maidens. Winter will die and pass winter to Weiss, Raven will die and pass spring to Yang, when Cinder dies, she'll inadvertently pass fall to Ruby, and something will happen that will make Blake summer.
If Nora becomes a maiden, it'll literally be a death sentence.
When you get right down to it, someone told me that Nora becoming the Winter Maiden would've bridged the gap between "Making one of the main characters a Maiden" and "Making one of the main characters too powerful due to being a Maiden" quite well, since Nora's not one of the main team. Personally, I always considered Team JNPR as secondary main characters.
I also would've been interested in seeing Winter hit rock bottom after all that's happened and not getting the powers and I would've liked to see how her character develops from it.
Also, I don't mind Penny becoming human, even if it was a little out of left field. Human Penny has a lot of potential as well as Winter Maiden Nora. RT wasted two perfect opportunities. It would be awesome if Penny developed her own Semblance that involved communicating and/or controlling machines.
Finally, if Pietro does revive Penny, I don't want him to die right away. Let's say he'll now have only a few days to live that way he can spend his last days with Penny before his final hour. It could also teach Penny to not be so self-sacrificial as her father gave his life to revive her because he can't live without her and she should already know that. It's what a father would do. He can't keep reviving her without shortening his lifespan. She can't keep dying knowing she'll be rebuilt while slowly killing her father. Even if she died as a human, Pietro will probably revive her because she's everything to him and to everybody. Thus she'll learn to not keep throwing away her life so recklessly. Plus, Maidens die when they transfer the power anyway because they're bound to them. So the quick death was pointless.
I really wish they did do it like this. It sounds so good and makes way more sense. I kinda wish the writer thought more about this, but I feel like it is 100% their fault it ended up like this.
Ngl I've only watched the rewrite of volume 8
I've not tried to watch the original one
And I keep getting surprised by how different things are every time a video is released??
Idk, I've never seen such a dedicated rewrite so I'm surprised by how much is actually different
I'm with you, I stop after volume 5 and just listen to reviews on how much it changed. For the worse
Two redheads killed by Gambold Shroud, that's savage.
I'm kinda upset at how well this works. Winter Maiden Nora would be so dope. sad we won't get to see it
Winter being Winter maiden….
Is little on nose.
With that logic with my name Lillie should get Ruby cape and female protagonists because we both have a flower in our name.
I mean at this point it would bit sense a slightly bit just enough….
I really liked this video. but ya didn't have to tear down Jaune that way.