B450 or B550 for Ryzen 5000 Series? Should B450 Owners Upgrade?
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B450 or B550 for Ryzen 5000 Series? Should B450 Owners Upgrade?
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8:20 for B450 owners
Thanks
jajaja thank you
0:21 there he also said it
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Thanks for the TLDR. :)
I think this channel has saved me about $800 over the last 3 months. You have guided nearly every purchase and for the first time in ages, I’m actually happy with my setup and the amount of $ I had to sacrifice to get it. Thanks a million! You are PCMR heroes.
Indeed!
Lol, same here! I just found out I do not need to upgrade my 3600 for my 4k monitor and if I do, I will not have to upgrade my b450 tomahawk. Keep up the good work!
specs?
oreoeatsoreos gigabyte X570 aorus elite pro WiFi, ryzen 5 3600, ASUS Tuf 3080 OC (I’m one of the lucky few), Viotek VFT27DB 1440p 144hz TN monitor, 32gb or 3600mhz g-skill trident ram, WD black 1tb ssd, 8 input output Focusrite Scarlett audio interface...I think that’s all that I’ve set up recently.
I almost bought a sub-par 3080 with Apple Pay on Newegg, and I almost went with a 4K monitor that would’ve cost me a fortune and wouldn’t have actually suited my needs. For my very specific needs and budget the review of the viotek monitor surprised me and I couldn’t be happier with its performance (I got it for $245 which didn’t hurt).
Lol re-reading it it seems odd to mention Apple Pay and Newegg but I mention it anytime I mention my 3080 because it is the only way you can have a chance or getting one sans bots.
best thing about those chipsets is that they both start with Beef.
Beef or fifty
@@JamesLivas Beef I’ve fifty
Where's the beef!!!!
Yummy 😋
I just had beef for dinner
I must say, you make by far the most detailed, and easy to watch (without annoying nonsense) reviews on youtube. I also like watching jayz and linus etc, but if I want the fastest and most detailed non biased information about my upcoming purchase, it is your channel. Thank you so much. Keep up the good work.
Facts.
Agreed!
Precisely this! No nonsense and clear info that is easy to digest
I went from casual Linus and Jay video to never watching them again and just sticking to HW Unboxed and Gamers Nexus. After so many videos, I find Jay & Linus childish and out of touch.
@@easley421 A lot of us have also been through that transition
Sticking with my B450 Tomahawk. It was a great buy when I built my system and proving to have been an even better now. When I dropped that R5 2600 into it I never expected I'd be able to replace it with a 5000 series down the road. Your reviews were a major factor in me choosing the B450 Tomahawk, so thank you!
Board itself is good, but onboard audio is totally garbage especially mic input sound like from inside pipe from behind thick wall. Thats why i used that mobo in other computer and bought B450 gaming carbon AC 2 yrs ago.
@@danielstormy3660 I'm glad that I've seen someone else complain about the audio on these boards. I went from a 10 year old Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD5R up to the B450 Tomahawk Max, where the downgrade in audio all around really took me back. Had to go purchase an external DAC and headphone amp!
@@danielstormy3660 have the same board and a 2600x, will it be worth it upgrade to 5000 series?
@@Inimigo85 If you not planning buy 5000 series cpu then not, but Tomahawk B550 can be nice upgrade, onboard audio is much better too+ 2,5Gbit lan network onboard, also much stronger VRM for cpu, for future upgrades its better imo.
@@LewisHamiltonMSPR 892 chip is trash but these Realtek 1200,1220 are ok, mic input is no problem.
I can confirm after recently upgrading my B450 ASUS tuf gaming+ motherboard with a BIOS UPDATE, MY RYZEN5700x works flawlessly.
I'm defo sticking to my B450 board
Right? B450 & 3600. Looking forward to a 3080 or 6900 and I don't see the point of upgrading again until DDR5 is out and affordable.
Lmao I just bought b450 steel legend and r5 3600. I don't need the latest
@@592Johno I was thinking about the same. Im just buying a new PC and looking for a mobo/cpu to last 4 years to 6 years . The thing is, I will buy a 3070 and I need 1 PCIe 4.0 so I gotta go with b550m
@@floki6548 you dont need a PCIe 4.0 slot, it works on a PCIe 3 slot with practically no performance difference
Yeah same.
The whole selling point was not needing new boards to upgrade the cpu but loads go out and buy a new one regardless.
Tbh I don't know if I'll even upgrade the 2600x until it starts flagging in games and that seems a long way off atm.
Thank you so much for this video. Cleared up my mind about upgrading. I'll stick to what I have and wait for the Jan 2021 bios, and then get a nice new shiny Zen 3 cpu
Really informative! Happy to know that I can stick to my B450 Tomahawk even if I decide to upgrade to 5000 series
This answered everything I wanted to know, thanks man!
You absolute legend(s)! I don't know if you saw my comment but I asked this question only a few days ago on a Q&A thread you put up and this basically answers it! I'd be interested to see how the 400 and 500 series VRMs fair with the new Zen 3 chips when they're up and running, I'd look forwards to seeing that video. Cheers again, keep up the great work!
What a great video, 12mins of relevant content and no rambling. i found out exactly what I needed to know, thanks!
I know this is a 2 year old vid but I have some info. I bought a r5 5500 chip and did the bios upgrades on the b450 ds3h motherboard to support it. The difference in performance was awesome. I ran a cinebench 23 stability check on the board with a r3 2200g chip and got a reading of 4200 points. I upgraded the bios and installed the r5 5500 chip. Everything was the same on the board and system. I got a cinebench score of 10,000 points with the new chip and perfectly stable. I am more than satisfied with my upgrade.
Thanks, I was torn between b450 v b550 😅
the b450 board is PCIe3 the b550 is PCIe4 with a r5 5600 chip.
@@cerescop But I guess B450 suits my RTX 3060 well than B550, I mean cost wise
@@pauljoseph3081 I agree with that conclusion. But. the 3060 is a PCIe4 device and you may have a slight performance hit going with a PCIe3 board, maybe a couple of FPS. It won't be much.
I can’t stress this enough you guys don’t deserve anything under 5 million. You guys deserve so many more subs. You guys make some of the best and most detailed videos that have saved people so much money. Keep up the good work don’t let fame get to your head
Such valuable info! Really appreciate your content and the work that goes into it.
This video exactly answered my question about this. Thanks for your great content!
This is why I love this channel. Exactly what I needed to know presented in a clear and enjoyable format. You guys have an excellent channel.
I upgraded my B450 Tomahawk MAX to a B550 Asrock Extreme4, but that was because I cheaped out back in January due to budget constraints and the Tomahawk wasn't doing what I needed it to do. The extra m.2 slot, front panel USB-C, and ARGB support are all features I now can take advantage of. The latter being the most important because as everyone knows, RGB lighting boosts your TTK in Animal Crossing by 75%+
Perfect timing! I'm a B450 owner and I was curious about this. Thanks for the informative video
This was a fantastic and informative video! Extremely well done! Great work!
Thanks to all these concise reviewers I went all out with a Gigabyte X570 Master. Although a Pro would suffice for 16 core. I chose it for thunderbolt headers though as there is other suitable boards also. Assuming its rev 1.1 and it actually has the header !
That was exactly my question and a very full answer, thank you. Gigabyte B450M Gaming and R7 2700. A 3000 series CPU upgrade was not compelling, looking at 5000 series upgrade, sticking with the B450M. I might want a better than stock cooler for more than 8 cores but it seems the Mobo will be fine.
Your channel and Moore's Law is Dead are my two go-to channels for hardware. Another great video. Thanks for all the info.
Love this channel !!! So much good and understandable information and details. Thank you so much!
Yes, in any case. I switched from the R5 2600x on a B450 Tomahawk Max to the R5 5600x. It works perfectly. Highly recommended 👍
I'm doing the same but coming from 3600x on a b450 tomahawk max. Got a good deal on the 5600x and I will just sell my 3600x.
@@TheForgetfulzee will definitely bring more performance but for me the jump was of course much bigger
I have 3600 and tomahawk max , wanna go for 5900x, will it be okay with a good cooler?
@@eatyourcarbs With the latest BIOS update the 5900x works absolutely perfect on the tomahawk
@@Pseudo_Placebo yay great news man. Thank you.
awesome news so i can keep my B450 Tomahawak, love this board!
Tell me about it haha
B450 Max baaaaaby. Such a good decision
@@MatthewNoPants1atoll i got it feb 2020 113€ for r3600 .Yes its good perform and build quality mobo.
I probably will not upgrade to 5000 bcuz in my case r3600 is more then enough for what i doing.
We will probably need an upgrade to pcie 4.0 due to rtx io, or maybe not, i dont know, but they dont talk about it in this video
@@ruganrugan6510 yeah but i will not be using pcie 4.0 :)
Thnak you very much, dude! That's exactly what I was looking for!
awesome video im abit behind the newest builds so this helped
hello there Steve and Tim, in a previous video about B550 boards, you said that you would be doing an investigation piece on ITX boards. I was wondering if the video is still in the works and will be coming soon. Love your content
We have all the boards, it will probably come after the Ryzen 5000 reviews are out of the way.
@@Hardwareunboxed Thanks for the update
Seconding this! Buildzoid analysis of B550 itx is too focused on OC for most users, and Optimum Tech's review was disappointingly flat.
@@Whambow yeah I love buildzoid and his ramblings but his is only on theoretical analysis of board components and assumed performance as he doesn't have the resources to buy more than 3-4 boards to actually test.
My 2 cents: i am personally biased towards MSI. The hardware is usually good, the bioses are very good with all required features and not many bugs. They are usually first to release the bios updates and don't randomly drop the support(looking at you asus). Asrock have clunky bios and poor support, and i have a curse which makes me break any pc i touch that has a gigabyte board in it so just stearing clear off them. ;) I'd get the msi itx but i'd have to drill a hole in the io backplate to be able to connect the clear cmos jumper with a screwdriver or instead of drilling I'd wire a case button to it as msi placed it in the dumbest place ever. I'd look at Asus as my second choice.
The mobo options are rough out here for us m-ATX owners.
Was thinking to maybe sink the cost of switching to an ATX case when I upgrade mobo & CPU together next year.
But B550M Mortar looks like it has everything I want, might just go with that.
i have the MSI B550M Mortar and it's really good and have a high potential for upgrades. so i would say it's worth it
@@CujohRamirez At this point I'm also debating just waiting for the DDR5 boards since that's coming mid next year.
I don't want to be stuck on DDR4 if it's obsolete soon, but I don't actually know how long it will take for DDR5 to be very good.
For all we know the timings might be so shit on DDR5 that it isn't even better than DDR4. It might take years for the upgrade to be worth it.
very useful info! glad i can hold onto my b450 motherboard and not feel pressured to upgrade. thanks!
Love the spatulas on the shelf. Very subtle addition to that 3000 series card. Glad you're following nvidia's guidance and properly storing your card by spatulas.
B350 on R5 3600, I will need to sit out the next round
Just wait for ddr5 platforms.
@@karama300video I 100% agree I sit on i7 2600k + ddr3 1600 for 1080p is enough
Same here !
Ye, can wait for DDR5.
On the same boat as you. Been with Ryzen since launch.
Currently running a GTX 1080 for 1080p 144 Hz gaming.
Will be upgrading to RTX 3080 (or AMD equivalent) to do 1440p 144 Hz gaming.
Going to wait till dec or Jan and get a b550 with ryzen 5800 and 3080 for my first build. Been saving up for this since july. Also going to get on their patreon too!!
3080 might change to a amd gpu depending on what we see in a few weeks.
That's quite the first build
@@JCerris ikr jeez, my first build was an i3-4150 with a r9 270x. That build then upgraded to an i5-4460 with an rx 580 and it's still going hard. Playing whatever I throw at it, although I have to compromise graphics a bit now. Extremely happy with that first build :)
😂
Dang, my first build was right at the beginning of 2020 and it was a ryzen 5 2600 with an rtx 2060 (not sure why I went with the 2060 in hindsight, might of been everything I heard about AMD drivers)
@@Blubididar they did suck at the time
Thanks! I was debating this myself over the weekend replacing my x370 that is having issues.
thank you has sorted out what i needed and saved me heaps of money
cheers will be watching you a lot more
I was convinced to hold my B450 due to your roundup on the SSD speeds. Next upgrade: GPU (3080/Super or AMD equivalent).....
are you going to stay with the same board even upgrading GPU? I just wonder, I have x470 with Ryzen 2700x paired with 5700xt, going to upgrade either GPU or CPU, I want to see review before how 3200mhz RAM works with the new Ryzen. Or upgrade both and skit Xbox one series X hahah
@@yosefm170 I'm currently running an RX570 - Has served me well for almost 2 years. I just got a 1440p/144Hz monitor and RX570 does a decent job at medium/low. It seems like the 1700 mostly won't be bottlenecking a 3080 at 1440p ultra.
@@calvinrohanraj8511 no way I have the same set up. Rx570 and just upgraded my monitor to 1440p/144hz, am going for the same upgrade path. Next upgrade is gpu. I’m running a 2600 CPU
@@yosefm170 3200 MHz Ram is absolutely no problem since 3rd Gen Ryzen, see the Videos from Gamers Nexus "RAM for Ryzen".
I've just bought the cheapest 3600 MHz CL17 16GB Kit I've got for my Ryzen 5 3600 Build, Patriot Viper 4 Blackout, they run perfectly fine @3600 MHz CL16 19 19 39 on my MSI B450 Tomahawk. 😉
@@WiTRoOner Wow. I had the option of buying the 2600 or the 1700 - Went for the 1700 solely because I thought that I would do some engineering simulations - Yet to do anything demanding enough.... 3070 and 3080 are quite good, until BIG NAVI and the SUPER series come at least........
Best pc channel on TH-cam. Def will be holding onto my B450.
But they dont talk about rtx io in this video, mmmm
good for you, mate
indeed, this channel is by far one of the best regarding to the point and testing for us so we keep our money in our pockets.
And i follow a lot of gaming hardware channels. Keep up the good work and stay safe you wonderful people.
Highly informative, as always. Thanks for this. I'll be keeping my B450 boards for a while longer.
My only concern with my B450 and 3600 is that I might miss out on some performance when/if I upgrade to Big Navi. I guess it's probably not worth upgrading everything just for a little more gpu performance, but we'll see.
I'm waiting for the 5600 non X version and RDNA 2 to be readily available first quarter of 2021. Hopefully, the b450i can handle all of that.
Thank you for the continued news and explanation of what I need to watch out for with my B450 Aorus Pro Wifi Board. I think i'll keep it and upgrade the Ryzen 7 2700X next year.
Thanks I was thinking about it and u solved my problem
Did Jensen lend you all those spatulas? Or was it the other way around?
I bought a msi b550 pro Vdh wifi based on Steve's recommendation.
It's a cracking good board with most of the features of the b450 tomahawk max and pcie 4.0 support in addition.
Great value too , since I got it for the same price as the tomahawk costs in my country.
Cheers!
I can't agree it's a great value, more like Tomahawk is overpriced. Not sure if Mortar Max is available in your country, but for the most part it's a better and cheaper Tomahawk. And for the 6 core processor any of those boards is a huge overkill, instead you could get a 70$ board and it would work perfectly.
I don't get why everyone recommends buying Tomahawk, really.
Unless you can clearly say to yourself why you need B550 board, or you are certain about upgrading to 5900X at some point in the future, there is virtually no reason to get such a high end motherboard.
Thanks for the video Steve. I am looking forward to the ryzen 5 5600 review, to see if it is going to be a linear upgrade from my 2600
Super clear information and analysis. Thanks!
Good information, thank you Hardware Unboxed!
I am curious though as to why discussions of 400-series boards invariably involve the B450, with almost nothing about X470 boards. A comparison of X470 vs. B550 might be useful (not so much B570 because of cost!).
I bought myself X570 aorus master a week ago and im waiting for 5900X to get my hands on, but i gotta make sure that its working just fine.
So my question is, when i want to use that new zen 3 cpu on my mobo, can i actually like use usb to inject some sorta new bios into it so when i put my cpu its going to run fine? Just asking cuz im not a pc wizard
Hi Steve , great channel BTW. Don't upgrade that often in fact still keeping my Phenom11 X4 965 BE with Asus AM3 board as second PC ( never let me down ). Needs aren't that great but fancied a new toy just before last Xmas. Was looking for the best value B450 board to go with a Ryzen 5 2600 which you pointed to be the MSI B450 Pro Carbon which tied up with most reviewers I checked with. Been running this for just over a year now and thanks , more than pleased with my set up and don't see a need to go 550 or newer chip as you stated. Haven't found your beef with Nvidea yet but found a reasonably nice referral on Jay2cents channel backing you up. Without guys like you , him . linus and Nexus us mere mortals would be hoodwinked with the marketing bullsh*t out there , thanks again.
Thats really good news, my mini itx build running a x470 Rog will most likely run a 5800x. Currently looking for more performance as i run a 2700x and game 60hz 4k (g-sync monitor), i want to taste that ipc improvement and higher clocks. Amazon uk had the MSI B550M Mortar for £130 i had to buy for my second build, your review made me bookmark the board and i saw from release £170 to now £130 and its Steve seal of Approval, cheers for that.
I'd love to stick with my MSI B450 Tomahawk (non-max) but i remember reading that the bios update for Ryzen 3000 was so unstable and broken on this particular board that it kept me from upgrading to an R5 3600 (currently running a R5 2600). So fingers crossed it won't be the same fiasco this time... Really want that 5600x next year.
My 3600 works fine on my B450 Tomahawk
Your 3600/3090 test showed how much more important the gpu is nowadays.
I can't see upgrading the 3600 for years, and when I do, it'll be for a 5000 series when they are at their cheapest
That’s exactly what I did.
@@Dee0426 what did you choose? I really want to upgrade from my 3600, but i want to change even the mobo and the ram (now i have a B450 MSI PRO CARBON - G.skill 3000mhz (16gb)), i dont know what to do
@@ilTubodiEliGabri3600mhz16cl, 5700x or 5800x3d basically for upgrades depending on your budget. Higher cores only for productivity, but not gaming. B550 tomahawk is a good mobo.
I would upgrade the cpu and then see if you really need the rest. Upgrading the ram is pretty cheap and go for 2x16gb. Not smaller modules. 16+ gb is the norm for pc gaming already.
Great content as always. Thanks heaps!!
Awesome video - my 2yr old system with 450 and Ryzen 2600 can get hopefully a Ryzen 5700 and then a new GPU in 21/22 and that system can last me 3-5 more years easily.
Let's hope, for my sake and lots of other people's, that the non-Max variant of B450 Tomahawk will get the bios update in January 2021.
Of course they wills silly manfools
@@pottingsoil723 Silence, wretched pagan! It cometh if Master Builder shall desireth so!!!
would someone please finally unbox Harvard?!
on topic: still with B450 here and not planning to switch yet. my R5 2600 is still absolutely capable and I might change once the 5600X will drop in price
5600 leaked for early 2021, at around 220 USD
have a X470 msi gaming plus now but bought a 550 tomahawk and I m not lookin back lol. nice video as always Steve manhug from holland!
if you buyed for 5600x/5800x result is money throw you window :D:D but if u buyed for 5900x then is worth it, as steve say for 12 core worth buying b550 because vrm heat, but for 6-8 core b450 is enough while pci 4 give 2 fps more on average and 1 second better time for loading on games
Great useful video as always. Thanks.
there is that one guy with a skinny b450 and a 3900x upgrading to the 5950x
Imagine that guys pc catches fire
@@mackenziebullied4900 why would it?
@@danielcraft1584 cause an 80 dollar b450 board ain't gonna have a good enough vrm for a 16 core only the better b450s can do that
@METhOdhowtoKilLnoObS asrock boards do have a thermal limit. The older ones didn't. Modern vrms can run at up to 100-120c, which Isn't good by any means, but they will probably die before they burn. If the vrm exceeds a certain thermal threshold It will just shut down, unless you disabled over-temp protection in which case you have the smallest brain in your city for sure.
@fx 1988 3600 is a super efficient chip especially if you put like 1.24ish v vcore itl draw like 60 watts
Cute of you to assume i can afford to upgrade
Steve, what a great video. You rock 🎸. Thank you for this
Thanks! Have the B450 Tomahawk Max and depending on how good the 5000 Series is, I planned to replace my 3800x :) Now I won't need to worry about the mainboard thanks to you!
Going to hold onto my X470 until some generations pass by. We need to see more than marginal gains from modern chipset features before I'm convinced.
My friend is going to upgrade from an R5 1600 to 5600/X. I was originally planning to find him a good B550 motherboard, but since he won't be utilizing PCIE 4.0 or higher than 1 Gbit LAN, I might just go with a B450 board instead. Saving upwards of $50 here is considerable for us.
And what about future proff? They dont talk about rtx io in this video
Don't see much point upgrading from 1600 to 5600X, to be honest. Unless you are jumping to 5800X, the difference probably won't be immediately noticeable.
@@Derael the performance per watt improvement was already large enough from the 1600 to 3600. Unless you have a really budget gpu, the difference will most likely be quite big with the 5600x (of course, wait for third-party benchmarks)
@@colbeh Well, on the contrary, if you are playing at 1440p resolution, 1600 shouldn't bottleneck most GPUs, unless it's better than 2080 Ti. And even if it will bottleneck them, the difference won't be to the point when one is unplayable and the other is great, you will still be able to play any game at medium-high, just at lower FPS.
I mean, if you have the money to buy both 500$+ GPU and a 300$+ processor, go for it, but don't be surprised if the performance difference won't be groundbreaking.
This is reasonable for a new PC, but as an upgrade, it doesn't make much sense to me.
But well, I finished Witcher 3 on a 10 years old PC with Radeon 5850 GPU without any issues, so it might be just me who doesn't get that rush to upgrade every 2-3 years.
I did notice the difference after upgrading to 2600, but that was a huge generation leap, I'm not sure anything below 50% uplift is worth it, and I'm not quite sure that 5600 will provide 50% more FPS than 1600 at higher resolution.
Just buy a 3700x or 3900x on black friday
VERY INFORMATIVE , THANK U
I already decided to wait for the BIOS update on my x470 because there are other advantages to this: 1. Of course, no additional costs, 2. Hardware bugs get ironed out at the beginning(like the broken Random Number Generator on Zen 2), 3. BIOS bugs get ironed out in the first months, 4. Software/OS bugs get fixed in the first months, 5. Processors get cheaper after ~2 months, usually.
so my b450m steel legend still get the job done for 5000 series :D thank you
And your comment save me! I already have a B450M Steel Legend with 3600X and that’s the answer we want to know!
Thanks! Our MOBOS will get the job for 5000! I’m so happy.
Same here steel legend i go for 5000 wit my b450 steel legend 👍
@@lunatsuki3913 Yeye Im glad my B450 Steel legend support ryzen 5000
I'm running with a X470 board so i'm probably good for awhile.
Same here...but AMD isn't releasing bios support for it until January.
Ahhhhhhh. 700.000 subscribers now. ...congratulations. love the videoes and learn a lot from Them. Guess something god came out from the Nvidia meltdown. Keep it up. 🤗❤
Whereas I have to see multiple videos to clear one confusion, your one video dissolves multiple confusions. Just thanking you is way less.
In Perth’s **PLE Computers** , the B450 MSI Tomahawk is AUD$209 and the B550 Aorus pro AC is only AUD$259. That’s a steal for the B550 right? The B550 is only AUD$50 more
the B550 Aorus pro AC no doubt is clearly the better choice and also a better board hands down, I would know, I have both :D
@@MrNova39X weird flex but ok
I don't think that's a steal, since Tomahawk is usually overpriced. Check if B450 Mortar Max or B450 A-Pro is available in your country, they are basically the same as Tomahawk, but cheaper.
And unless you are going to upgrade to 12+ core CPU, there is no reason to buy such an expesnive board, 60-80 USD board such as B450M Pro-VDH Max will work perfectly well in your PC. Another decent options are Gigabyte DS3H and S2H (if I remember models correctly).
@@Keplxr what do you mean?
There are plans for decompressing textures and other resources directly on graphics cards, so PCIe 4.0 might be useful for some future GPUs.
Some people aren't planning on upgrading their CPUs/GPUs every two years, so that still might come in handy for them.
I plan to keep my x570 next 6 to 8 years. So yeah... Definitely worth in long range!
I suspect my beefy x470 would also be fine then :D my biggest worry was performance difference. hope x470 boards will be tested aswell if you make a comperason video between b4450 and b550 boards with Zen3 :D Love the content as alway *thumbs up*
Amazing as always Steve!
i dont even know why im watching this video, i own a X570 Board, so this is basically irrelevant info for me, still worth watching tho, just a nice video lol
Same, but their videos are always worth the time.
May I ask you which CPU and GPU you are using with that motherboard?
Beef Eye Fifty is probably the better choice from what I personally understand.
Thanks mate. Just seeing a client about this cheers.
Thank you, helpful info.
When i was new to the channel
Me : always forgotten the channel name
My mind with youtube captions : "harvard unboxed"
no "on box" :(
Harvard on Box sounds like the name of a neighborhood in London 😂
Even having to discuss this makes me feel like Intel has a point (to a degree) by making CPU-Motherboard compatibility clear-cut and understandable. As an enthusiast, I highly value what AMD is offering in terms of support and compatibility. But as a regular person wanting to build a PC, I'd absolutely hate having to study which chipset comes with which features and which CPU support, after which bios upgrades (what are those even).
Also, PCIe 4.0 requires not only CPU support, but also better trace layouts to support double the frequency without interference or data loss. Some motherboards could show unstable PCIe behavior if the tracing isn't up to scratch. It is like 2,5G Ethernet over Cat5e - possible, many cables will do that without problem, but some won't, thus no official support.
Love your content guys! You helped me to make my purchase decisions last year and I watch quite all your vids. Very iformative! What I don't like is TH-cam randomly unsubscribing me from channels.
Edit: I have an x570 mpg gaming edge (msi), bought that one before your review was out... paired with r5 3600. Would that mobo be able to run high end 5000 series chip should I decide to upgrade in the future? No overclocking planned.
This is good information to have going forward. That said, I won't be updating the BIOS on my X470 motherboard since it shuts the door on backwards compatibility for earlier Ryzen processors. Could be useful in future projects or even sell better on the second-hand market when I'm done with it. Plus, there's the potential bricking risk with flashing the beta BIOS on there.
Feel robbed now, after buying my Aorus Elite X570 with 1GbE LAN at beginning of this year, as the cheaper Aorus Elite B550 comes with 2.5GbE LAN..
its been over 9 months now so
Don't feel robbed. The x570 Chipset itself is better. You have a board that will be supported longer than the b550 chipset. Considering its higher end
The biggest robbery IMO is that most B550 boards have front USB-C support, while most X570 boards don’t.
@@om95kboy The b550 and x570 are the same generation of boards with the same socket. They will be supported for the same amount of time. Support duration is not something that matters here.
At least you have more PCIe4.0 (if it matters) and a front 10Gbps USB-C header.
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Is the upcoming Summer in Australia *wArM* enough?
You mean WOOOOM
I used an Asrock x370 Taichi on a Ryzen 3900 using their latest bios. I worked great. I did upgrade to an MSI Meg x570 Tomahawk and got a bit more performance. The real difference was the CPU temperature, about 10 to 15 degrees F cooler on the x570.
Thanks!!! this Vid helped me alot!
I was doing an upgrade with Ryzen 5000-series in mind and had no plan to replace it in next 2-3 years, so I went for Aorus B550 Pro AC and took R3 3100 for temporary usage until 5500/5600 comes to the local shops and OC the snot out of it. I had H81 board with 4690 in it before that.
You cannot “OC the snot out of” Ryzen though.
@@aliancemd xd
@@gftyuibm have the same board, 0 issues, all works, one of the most solid boards I ever had
Ryzens oc is memory overclocking includojg subtimings. Buy a good kit of memory (crucial ballistix) if you actually want performance gains rather than a waste of power and more heat output.
@@gftyuibm avoid newest BIOS. I went from F1 to F10 and started to have OC stability issues and if there was no load on GPU, the whole computer stuttered after every 15-20s or so. downgraded to F2 version and all is golden. temps are fine, my R3 3100 (which is low-end, but fits fine for time being) is happy at 4.4GHz.
Not that most people should care, but there's one thing you missed:
You CAN get b550 boards that split the 16x 4.0 slot into 2 x8 slots. I just got the vision d, which does exactly that. It doesn't make dual GPUs super viable by any means, but it better than an x4 3.0 or 2.0 link for your second device.
Especially since we have seen the 10900k (which has the equivalent of 4.0 x8 bandwidth) pushing the 3090 to the limits already, that means you can run a GPU in that top spot at x8, and another high speed device below at x8 as well and not worry.
That's not a hugely important use case, but information is good.
@@TH-camTookMyNickname.WhyNot yeah I'm sure. I didn't find the description ambiguous but I'm also fairly used to reading mobo specs.
Not all b550 boards do this, for sure. This is a fairly high end quasi-workstation board, so they paid to ensure signal integrity was good enough, and for the PCIe switches necessary to split the lanes up as needed.
But it is 2 4.0 x8 connections, not one 4.0 and one 3.0.
@@tarfeef_4268 do you have the vision d, how do you like it?
@@xXDESTINYMBXx just ordered it, but I can update this with testing if desired. Planning to stick a 5950x in there. Only gripe I have spec-wise is the lack of >1gbps ethernet (tho as someone who uses Linux and bsd I do appreciate the Intel NICs for better compatibility)
@@tarfeef_4268 yes please provide an update.
I think you can connect the two lan ports to get 2gbps somehow, but I might have misunderstood that.
@@xXDESTINYMBXx sure, I'll do that.
Btw that's a feature called NIC teaming but it's in software, so latency is a thing, and for me not worth it. I'd probably just have 1 spare or if I am running a VM I can have 1 connection for the VM and one for the host
absolutely brilliant , first 4 mins sorted me out ,what a website
Very useful information. For example I was planning to upgrade my Cpu and mobo ( i5 8400 here). I was tossed between i5 12400f + B660 and R5 5600 + B550 ( I mostly game on pc). After watching this video i decided to go with R5 5600 and ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING II (89 Eur) and saved almost 40 Eur on final purchase ( decent B660 modo's are stupid expensive in my country)
Are you trying to tell me that I will have to upgrade from X370 to something more capable? But I am a gamer man... All I need is to keep up with graphics cards!
Stuck with my B350 motherboard 😢
Got the same (B350) - bought it with the Ryzen 5 1600, soon after ryzen launched. I will probably upgrade to 3600 or 3700x after 5000 launch, those zen 2 processor should be even cheapper :)
@@SimonMedia666 thats a smart move, unfortunate now the 3600 went back up to 200 dollar price but hopefully it will go back down after zen 3 launch
@@SimonMedia666 they wont lol the new cpus are priced at +300$. Thats higher then the 3700x which is around 270-280$ so unless the 5600x goes down to ~270$ the zen 2 processors wont get cheaper coz theres no concurrent in this price range
@@zeronin4696 we will see. Maybe I will buy some used one...
Can just get yourself a good B450 board for 60-70$ worst case scenario. Or pay a bit more and grab Mortar Max, it's perfect.
B450 Mortar Max owner here (basically the µATX version of the Tomahawk Max). I still haven't decided yet if I'll upgrade to a 5xxx Ryzen but it's good to know that my MB will have no issues in case I choose to do so.
Such a good video. I am planning to upgrade to a R7 5800. And i have b450 msi carbon ac. Was planning to upgrade to a B550 but now ill save some money.
I can't be bothered keep upgrading the pc every year its just a waste of money plus we all haven't got the money to upgrade all the time I have a 2700x and x470-f motherboard and a 590 sapphire GPU and 32 gig of ddr4 3000 memory and I won't be upgrading anytime soon with how much all that cost me a year ago I just game and mess about with VMs which bearly get powered up I have no slow downs it is soild performance
The 2700x is still a great CPU of course, but the IPC is much lower than Zen 2 and that's going to hurt it in gaming because of the Zen 2 cores in the new consoles.
I'll keep using my 3600x this year, and will upgrade to a 5800 when those start being sold used or go on special on black friday in a year or two
Didn't they say boost algorithms between the boards are different, or was that marketing bs a while back that they forgot about
nothing a firmware update shouldnt be able to fix, are they going to is the question though.
Thanks Man, this helped me a lot...
2600x on msi B450 bazooka plus. thinking about getting the 5600x
thanks for the info, i helped a lot