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- I rank the characters of the second generation of Fire Emblem 4: Genealogy of the Holy War, according to how much I'd recommend using them. Characters are not ordered within categories.
Every character is useable, but since this game can be a bit tedious I recommend picking a group of characters you like and keeping the rest in the castle. Watch the video to learn more about how you can make the most out of each character!
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In 2 playthroughs I was able to get Yewfelle 50+ kills, and seeing Faval crit everything and overkill was pretty worth ngl
I liked to go full unga bunga on the sword twins and give them a lot of stuff plus the 50-kill hero and silver swords so I could watch their crit animations indefinitely lol
All you have to do: use Seliph
Jajaja True
And occasionally ares, Shannon, and Arthur/Ced
@@starmaker75 why would you used Ced over Arthur. He doesn't even have a horse
@@The_Evening_SunCed can kill arvis easier
Mekkah, I know you won't see this, but do you, by any chance, have any words banned from your channel? I've been sitting here for half an hour trying to post just timestamps, like I've done before, with nothing else but the tier names and the character names, and it won't upload.
Of all the kids I do think Fee is the best one (besides Lief lol). Even though the game doesn't really favor fliers, she does have quite a few spots to take advantage of flight. There's the mountain range in Ch6 where she can fight either the axe knights to the south or the bandits in the center. Ch7 is of course the desert, and she can cross it easily to assist Seliph and Shannan in taking the first castle. Ch9 she can cut through the mountains to the west and help save the villages plus position herself to help fight the cavalry reinforcements later. Ch10 she cuts through the mountain and forested area and even the sea to fight several enemies. And even in the final chapter, while everyone is snaking their way around the forests and mountains on the west side Fee can just cut through to make it to the generals ahead of everyone. So while being a flier isn't ideal in FE4, at least in book 2 there are quite a lot of spots where Fee can make good use of her flight unlike Erinys who doesn't really have any spots where her flight is immensely helpful.
Yeah, I always give Fee the Hero Lance and Recover Ring. She's able to run off on her own where no one else can, do a lot of hit-and-runs onto mountains or cliffsides, and with pursuit+adept built in, she just never stops attacking. Chances are that Hero Lance gets a bunch of kills, and then she's critting nonstop too. Bonus points for the staves on promotion too, she's never lacking for something to do that no one else is going to handle with all the forests and mountains in the way.
Claude!Fee is actually pretty rad. She takes minimal damage from mages, and is fairly resistant to status staves. She can kill low-Res enemies with magic swords, while even with low Strength, the Brave Lance is enough to one-round most magic users. On top of that, she gets B Staves upon promotion, giving her options like Recover and the status staves. I found her to be a Naga-send in the Endgame.
Ice-hot take, most Fee builds are better than Leif, owing to having Pursuit and good movement before she promotes.
@@14bj337 Yeah I honestly kinda struggle between deciding if Fee or Leif is better overall. Fee has a much better start, pretty much impossible to screw up, and should do fine in the end game no matter what. Leif definitely has a rough start, he really wants some primo items like Pursuit Band (which Horseti Arthur also wants) and Paragon Band (everyone wants) until he promotes. Even then unless you did Claude!Lana you can't even take advantage of Rescue with a Ch8 promotion. So I definitely think it's fair to say that Fee is a better unit overall.
Fee is hard to ruin, but her main issue is being a flier in FE4 since they have no road bonuses.
Otherwise, her flexibility makes her unique among the kids.
@@dreadedprinny Like I said, there are plenty of spots throughout gen 2 that she can make good use of her flight. Not as ideal as being on the road, obviously, but compared to Erin I don't think being a flier hurts Fee as badly.
Mekkah, I think your selling Finn short. Entertain this, miracle + speed ring + 50 kill Javelin. It’s a wonderful sight to behold.
Thank you for the idea
Dermutt with Azel as a dad inheriting a magic sword and magic ring was way better than I expected. It's like he's a mage knight from the second you get him, especially since you have so few other options for magic damage and they're all stuck on foot until later.
Hmm, I should try that.
Plus you can inherit the light brand on him. Weapon triangle on all mages not named loptyr is a good option to have
When you remake FE5 guide you should call it the De-Finn-itive Edition
I could bet money the only dislike on this video is because larcei is low.
Wouldn't be surprised
How did you know
@@blankblank6214 larcei is popular and the fire emblem community is around 70% nothing but simps.
Hope you feelin alright @Mekkah you sound tired take more time if you need don’t feel pressured
Seliph + Sigurd's Silver Sword with 50 kills.
'Nuff said.
Try to get 50 kill brave sword
@@mori518 i did
Oh and ny silver sword is on 103 kills Seliph is completely breaking the game
Seliph + Sigurd’s Silver Sword with 50 kills = epic PWNAGE
@@collybius Seliph with 50+ kill brave sword= The game has already been beaten
Don't forget paragon and leg ring!
I like using everyone because it's a habit for me and I like to experimenting with pairing everytime I play.
I also enjoy all of the substitute characters I did a fun playthrough with them actually and I found it alright.
TFW you watch this video about FE4, hear the music, and get sad that there's no Golden Sun 4.
Larcei quickly became my favorite unit in the game when Gen 2 started, so I want to be annoyed that she's down so low, but I get why the foot units are at a disadvantage.
hell yeah ive been waiting for this one
Erinys had the paragon ring when I hit gen 2 and Fee promoted by like the beginning of chapter 8. She ate kills in ch7. Very quickly my fe4 experience became Fee Emblem lmao love her
I remember holsety sety being a force of nature. He was so fast he broke the game and suffered the wrap around glitch only to still be unstoppable.
Shannan should go lower since he relies on the balmung
Yeah, totally agree. Eventually the Balmung will break and it's not like the sword is his personal weapon. Oh wait...
Any one with a holy weapon and holy blood is top tier. Shannan is on the top ten maybe even top 5 gen 2 units.
I disagree. Balmung access with good bases and a high speed maximum statistic ensures that Shannan will always be viable for tricky situations. He's a great counter for every forseti minor fought in Gen 2, and these four enemies are often the hardest to dispose of otherwise. He is not the most versatile unit, because his movement is low, and can't reach every engagement, but the ways he contributes to completion of Generation 2 consistently make him a great asset. I'd raise him to No Brainer
Seliph should go lower since he relies on exp to get better
@@Insulted25 Every unit requires experience to get better. That's how Fire Emblem works.
Tristan is good guys I swear!
If you give him a 100 kill Brave Sword, Skill Ring and cap his skill, he has 85 crit x2. Easy win I swear!
Tristan is pretty good, probably the best of the substitutes. His good class (mounted, access to swords, a lot of speed gained on promotion) pretty much ensures his contribution, and he can take a few hits. Critical is not really a necessary skill for sword units that see combat in Gen 2, because there are plenty of crit swords to go around, but its useful in some situations. I think the reason few people use him is because Lachesis' kids are always better given they have an okay or optimal father (Finn, Beowulf, Alec, Azel, maybe Noish). Its hard to argue for Tristan when Diarmuid can easily be on the roster.
A 50 kill brave sword doesn't give 50 crit. It allows criticals. Each kill over 50 ads 1 point. So to give him 85 crit you need a 100 kills weapon
@@lucabov7388 Good point. Didn't think about that.
@@lucabov7388 My bad, typo!
@@LukaliberI absolutely agree with you. Tristan was one of the most fun units I've ever used in all of Fire Emblem, especially when he promotes.
Please, do a substitute run sometime, I think it would be nice to watch.
I thought Johan was funny and tried to make him work, but Pursuit Ring Johan is just not very good... he's too slow to double most people, and there's way too many enemy mages in Part 2 (Lex didn't have to deal with those as much).
Ah, that Fire Emblem with a good lord
Just a test comment because TH-cam doesn't let me post my timestamps...
:c
Forseti Arthur I think should be in no brainer tier tbh. With a 50 star+ Forseti from Lewyn (which isn't that hard to do) he'll have a busted crit rate, wrath if he's at low health, and all he really needs is the pursuit ring which can be inherited from Lewyn too, and is impossible to hit basically. Any other Arthur is pretty bad though. XD
He's one of the few units who can usually get a 100 kill weapon bu the end of the game, which grants +50 crit. He starts off as your get-out-of-Melgen-free card and then becomes Seliph with 1-2 range.
@@xuanathan Yeah when promoted he becomes an unstoppable killing machine. I used to have a decent amount of trouble taking Ishtar out in chapter 11 till I started using Forseti Arthur. XD
Lex x Brigid makes the best Patty as with Vantage she can just spam arena at 1hp until she puts them to sleep for a free win. Then you can just trade away all her winnings.
I would always put Tine on Fun on Foot personally
She’s not as as bad as the other high effort due to how surprisingly easy she is to train with wrath
Mekkah prioritize Arthur in Tailtiu's pairings and he likes Horseti, so it means Tine will get shafted since most players tends to give the Pursuit Ring to Arthur.
I thought Dimna would be a good investment, all the stats he need for the first two chapter in the chapter 6 castle event, I feel people underrate that sub
Shanan doesn't have to risk death in his joining chapter -- you just have to run away with Shanan, and send Fee over to help as quick as you can. Sending Lana to get as close as she can in order to use Physic is also probably necessary. I forget how it plays out exactly, but Fee should only have to kill a few guys to make it safe for Shanan to take on the rest, and she can do that by attacking one and canto'ing out of range of the others.
I think a lot of players hesitate to use that strat because they want Shanan to fight the boss (which he does well), and you have to run moderately far away from him before Fee can get there. And it just feels bad to run away with a unit that just got a ridiculously powerful holy weapon.
The funny thing is, if you decide to run away, on turn 12 the boss in the castle will get a Fenrir so once you decide to try to seize it, you'll have to deal a long-range tome
@@_YaYi You can probably reach with Seliph before then. Worst case scenario, you reach with Fee, so it isn't all bad.
@@MarceloKatayama definitely. Think you can even reach your physic user in range around turn 6 or more which is enough to keep shannan and fee alive reliably (unless RN screws you)
OK but like how are you going to put forseti in ch 6 in the same tier as tristan though.
tristan can seize
Broke: ch 6 forseti
Woke: 100 kill light brand and/or javelin
Because Arthur only has Forseti with one specific pairing and outside of that pairing he's just alright
Man, Julia w/ Nosferatu is basically a nuke from hell. A little investment and the effort to get the tome, then she’s not even fair.
Eh Diarmuid should drop to Alright. His strength cap is actually somewhat low (Lower than Ares who already has an annoyingly low strength cap), his magic is bad and he's sword locked which is a pretty bad combo. He just doesn't have many good options in combat and what he offers is not much more impressive than Tristan/Arthur.
Linda should go to utility. Her combat is fun but B staves on promotion is more noteworthy, arenas are free for her and she has paragon so no need to waste money on the paragon ring which gives her plenty of money to buy/repair status staves and just spam them.
He compensates his low str cap (1 less point than Ares and 2 less than Seliph) with 3 more points of speed and 6 more points of skill (and Continue, but Ares also has it) That goes well alongside the silver blade, giving him 43 atk. Or a brave sword, which makes anyone that can use it good
What are your thoughts on Azel/Lach since I see that pairing to make Diarmuid's 1-2 range better by giving him a "better" MAG?
@@vortexoblivion85 His magic base is 0 and he gets nothing from promotion. Azel could pass him maybe 2 base points and if you're lucky 3 but Lachesis's magic sucks so there is no way you get all 4. Not great imo. His magic cap is also still 15 so even if you got perfect levels in magic he's still struggling to get kills at 2 range.
@@PallaEmblem So only Nanna gets something from Azelle in the end even if I think improving her magic stat is useless since she can only use Mend + Return staves.
Really feel like Celice should almost be in the good (w investment) tier. People going in blind won't have the elite ring/leg ring setup in chapter 6, so units with better combat like the swordtwins will probably get more exp in someones first playthrough, and Celice can fall behind pretty easily, and he's quite bad if he's still unpromoted for chapter 8 or even 9, which I find can definately happen in someones first playthrough (mine included). Arthur could probably be in the same tier too. Especially since Lex! Ardan! and Levin! Arthur are all amazing on promotion, compared to awful units like Johan or Dimna.
Wait, Ardan!Arthur??? I've never seen that one before. How does that work?
@@acsu96 It's just the same as Lex!Arthur without Elite. Very similar growths. With Vantage and Thoron (one he promotes) along with the magic ring, Arthur OHKO's every generic enemy and a lot of bosses with basically base magic and wrath if you manage to promote him. Lex is a lot better because of innate Elite but if he promotes they're essentially the same unit. Personally I think Lex!Arthur is better than Levin!Arthur!
Small thing, I didn't have paragon on Seliph on my first playthrough, just a 50+ kills brave sword, and he still got to promotion by half odd chapter 7. It's just a bit trickier.
@@MarceloKatayama Oh, I'm not saying it's difficult. In my first playthrough, I kept the brave sword on Ayra since I didn't make very good use of the shop, and didn't really prioritize Seliph's exp that much. It was definately a mistake, but I feel like it's a mistake that a decent number of people could make on their first playthrough! Regardless Celice still needs to make it to level 20 before he really becomes amazing (without all the rings experienced players will give him anyway...) so that's still a decent amount of investment.
Even with no rings (like I had in my playthrough) he still kicks ass.
Finn is king
Hard agree!
Finn is good (no investment) while Dermott is good (investment) so that means Finn > Dermott confirmed
Seeing Arthur in “alright” seems criminal to me as someone who had him as lewyns kid
He's very fun to use and I definitely used to think the same, that he's crazy strong, but until level 20 it is really annoying. Also I remember someone posting about late game boss kills - a lot of them are surprisingly tricky and Forseti doesn't instantly bail him out compared to other boss killers iirc
The only problem with Arthur is that he’s by far the easiest character to screw up. If his father isn’t Lewyn, Claud, and/or Azelle, he’ll be trash and freaking Amid would be better. Not even Lex’s Wrath + Vantage combo will allow him to onshot enemies in Chapter 9 or later.
I think his other pairings kind of cancel out the Lewyn pairing.
Horseti has gone on a rollercoaster from underrated to overrated to underrated to overvalued to completely hated.
@@xuanathan Why do people hate it? Because it ruins their OTP of Lewyn x Erinys? Personally, not a fan of that couple. Every conversation he has with Erin is about how she should be like other girls or that he had a crush on her dead sister but that's in the past because he likes Erin now.
And his conversations with his kids are hilarious because with Tine or Lene he's like "gorgeous, sweetie" and with Ced and Phee he's like "fuck off ye bugging me."
@@xuanathan Idc about fictional romance, just let me have my fun to use ICBMs
I agree though the one thing I disagree on is Tine I think she should be put in Alright, and Lester should be put in high investment.
Lester’s best setup for the whole 2nd gen is Pursuit Ring and weapons with Jamka as his dad.
Why Hannibal is good in general
Has anyone done a "on foot" challenge for Fe4. Meaning only use units that are on foot only including seliph and lief.
Second generation only
Sounds like... A masochists dream.
a youtuber FEMSPaint did Infantry only FE4 on both generation.
@@naiRISE766 damn!!!
I know this is super late, but I honestly think Johan is a super under-rated unit mostly because of the brave axe. Since Lex is super good, the brave axe is likely to have more than 50 kills on it, so with the help of a skill ring, which there's basically no competition for, Johan will be able to crit tons of enemies and be really great. I'd honestly but him up into good investment.
I may be remembering this wrong but I’m pretty sure Lex can’t pass down the brave axe since no gen 2 kids start with an axe rank right?
@@sirasparagus5747 There are certain weapons were if they don't get passed down they'll end up on certain enemy units (you know they're the same since they have the same number of kills on them) and they're droppable. You get the brave axe from the boss by Isaac in ch 6
Oh I didn’t realise they counted as the same weapon, I just thought it was a different brave axe with 0 kills
2 Years later but I was split on the skill ring bc it becomes a godsend for children with skill% based skills
Actually both me and my friend accidentaly got Erinys x Lewyn cuz there is a convo that automaticaly make them lovers.
I got a big boi Ced though
Poor Asaello. With the killer bow he's decent enough to be in Fun on Foot
Yeah but Lester probably wants it more, even though he should already have the brave bow...
I just keep the Silver Bow on him and he does perfectly fine.
I will always hold the opinion that Johalvier is super underrated and one of the best non holyblood gen 2 units. I feel he is better than his brother even without a mount.
Sorry but there is problem with your defense, he has minor holy blood, he has minor Neir blood.
Don't really think so, but whatever :p
@@alejandro_rodriguez_99 I know he has minor holy blood but that doesnt matter because he doesnt have a holy weapon which is by far the best aspect of holy blood. Also my defense of him is that he has really good strength, skill, and defense growths and can use the killer bow upon promotion which is important because dracoknights are imo some of the scariest enemies in the game and its fairly easy to promote him by the time u reach the Thracia chapters.
. Minor Holy Blood does matter, any type of holy blood gives massive growth bonuses. For Neir minor blood (localized to Nál in FEH recently) it's +20% HP and +30% Def, alongside A axes. The growths are adimittedly not the best holy blood growths in the game, but the A rank in axes allows him to use any axe obtainable by the player, such as the brave axe you get during his join chapter.
His skill base is 3 less than Johan, meaning he’ll take some time to grow out of that. Also horse>not horse.
I hear Ivan's theme. God bless Golden Sun.
I feel like Arthur has similar combat and movement to Leif or Seliph. His promotion improves him similarly to them. So in my opinion he is as good of a investment unit as they are.
Only if Lewyn is his dad though. He’s on their level with Forseti but otherwise he’s difficult to get online without a ton of investment. He’s my favorite Gen 2 character by far tho.
@@medalkingslime4844 That's the problem with this guide because second gen is heavly dependent on players choices in the first one. It is hard to tell how someone will play for their first time, in my case i read about pairings on serenes forest before playing because i knew that it would have an impact on the gameplay.
@@vazaltur it seems like the guide was made from the perspective of worst possible dad. Like Ced is up there because he pretty much can’t be bad no matter who his dad is.
I had to come here to check. There are so many people who swear that Johalva is superior to Johan but like, He lacks a horse. Is a 10-30% chance to double (or potentially take more damage if you don't kill them) over Vantage (admittedly not very useful) worth losing 2 and then 1 more move and Canto? You get Bows for better range but you can't canto out/switch weapons after.
A major point they make is Johan having worse enemy phase because of Hand Axe being doodoo compared to Steel Bow but and that it's important because enemies have 1-2 range often.
But like if they have 1-2 range they'll just 1 range your bow and you won't counter anyways. Plus how often is Player Phasing this 1-2 range enemy with a Steel Bow better than your Brave Axe?
If your guide is for beginners you should put the name of the unit you're talking about In the screen cuz sometimes is hard to understand the name, especially cause you talk really fast.
Mekkah: I like lean
The normal AND substitute children are beby period.
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Mekkah said Horseti
Considering Forseti is an actual Mythological word, it does slightly irk me whenever people say the old translation version of the tome.
@@l.n.3372 Oh no, I'm not talking about the Holsety thing, I'm talking about Mage Knight Arthur with the Forseti tome on a horse, hence Horseti.
@@greenhardin1700 Nice name. Never really considered how Alec's towel matches Hardin's turban.
@@greenhardin1700
Haha got it. That's actually pretty ironic name wise. But yeah, the old translation name is just nitpicking since Mekkah always tends to use the former translation name.
Larcei should be higher I know she’s on foot but you give her the glitched balmung and she kills everything.
Cool
Seliph go brrr
Mr Dermott (Diarmuid? Delmud?) at base is kind of bad in the sense that he cannot reliably one round unless you use a very high tier sword, like silver sword. One good thing is that you get an extra brave sword by doing the Patty and Seliph convo in ch 7, which Diarmuid will make good use of due to his above average strength.
Edit: btw, if any new player here has used the brave lance a lot during gen 1, you can give it some kills on gen 2 so that it reaches 50+ kills, which, if given to Finn, can make him a great combat unit throughout all of gen 2. Alternatively, Fee or Leif can keep it.
Edit 2: For new players, if you've used Lex a lot in gen 1 (which, I could see why you would) then your brave axe probably has a lot of kills. This is what makes Johan useful, a high kill brave axe means that Johan can crit. And getting kills on brave axe isn't only easy, but getting it to 60+ kills is a very easy benchmark to reach (at least, that's what I've seen). This means that if Johan misses the first attack of his brave axe, he can still crit and one shot enemies. It also means that he can kill armored units much more reliably. Vantage and a critting brave axe makes it so that Johan can rig arenas and become a very good combat unit.
Edit 3 (and they don't stop coming and they don't stop coming): Miracle allows you to cheese arena so long as you have access to healing or the enemy's damage works out so that it leaves you at just 1-3 hp, because miracle won't trigger if your hp is below 10 whenever you enter the arena. Also, pairing a unit with Larcei and Scáthatch is a very very good way to give money to them. This is particularily useful for units like Leif or Arthur, who want to buy a couple of rings and bands to make their performance better. Alternatively, pairing Scáthatch with Patty makes it so that you can give the very high money he should've amassed to Patty, who can use it herself, or give it to anyone who needs it.
I usually give Dermott the silver sword and let Seliph have the brave sword
@@gui_cm I just give the gen 1 brave sword to Seliph so that it reaches 50+ kills, guaranteeing that he will one round every enemy and easily kill bosses. I then like to give the brave sword you get in the Patty Seliph convo to either Dermott, Leif or Oifey. I then give the two silver swords to whoever of the trio is left.
How the fuck is Arthur in Alright when the guy just needs an elwind or thoron to deal significant damage? Leveling him up isn’t even hard because he can clear out the arena with ease
In my last playtrough I ended promoting everyone in the team except for patty
I can't imagine not promoting Patty tbh
@@lazerboy4942 maybe I dont do give money abuse
I didn’t do money abuse, I paired Brigid with Lex.
@@JadanbrIs that abuse? I thought it was a mechanic lol
hot take (lol): Arthur belongs in "Fun on Foot" tier. yes, he eventually gets Forseti on a horse, which sounds busted, but you have to put up with 18 levels worth of 5 movement to get him there. 5 movement is pretty bad by any FE's standards, and it's borderline unusable in FE4. having great 1-2 range doesn't matter when you can't get to the enemies ever.
I would also argue Hannibal for utility tier because he ensures that the player doesn't get a game over from ambush reinforcements snatching the castle from them from the moment he joins, which is great for a new player who doesn't know when these reinforcements come and who doesn't want to have to leave one of their favorite units behind to guard the castle. it's not great and it's a job that a lot of people can do but it's more valuable than whatever the hell Rodolban is doing imo
Without favoritism it takes a while, yes, but there is that annoying hand axe army at ch6 that he can easily deal with.
Also as Seliph is most likely going to be promoted by ch7 he is a pretty decent candidate for the Paragon band. The black mages are tough to deal with and you are not in a hurry at all because desert.
Also, can we just agree that he has one of the best hairs in the entire franchise? Holy shit that hair
The early chapters facilitate training arthur by a lot. Not only that, but he's the 3rd best user of the paragon band. And don't forget that what is probably your main warper, is also 5 movement, meaning that, when Seliph inevitably seizes another castle and enemies start pouring out to ambush the castle, you can pop out arthur with a warp, and he'll undoubtedly kill all of them. And it's not like this doesn't happen, chapter 8 has tons of instances of this exact scenario, so does chapter 9 if you dont have Arthur promoted by then. in chapter 7, by the time Seliph has reached Alster, Arthur should be near of the castle in which you fought Ishtore. This means that he can easily sit there and destroy all of Jabarro's squad. There are plenty of opportunities to "put up with 18 levels worth of 5 movement", and he's By far the best user of that experience (next to Leif, but I was assuming you'd have already invested quite a bit in him)
@@MarceloKatayama I feel like all of that requires more knowledge of the game than a beginner would have, which is what these videos are aimed at. my point is that beginners already find FE4 to be a bit of a slog, and trying to find opportunities to feed kills to a 5 movement unit isn't gonna help with that. of course if you know where all the reinforcements spawn etc training him isn't a big deal.
@@naemissa7849 Oh, I don't really know when reinforcements spawn. But just looking at your starting map you can see that there are plenty of opportunities to feed anyone kills, it's just that Arthur, by default (or more like, by Forseti), can get those kills the safest (warp + Forsetti ensures that Arthur will survive and Kill anything). A player is bound to see this, just like they usually search for opportunities to train the most fun units to use (Ayra, Larcei and Scáthatch being used by many begginers just because they are very fun to use). Keep in mind that most players are reactionary, and that reinforcements don't quite reach you on first turn. This means that warp will be very valuable for them, as they can get their most fun units back to the front, to the last castle conquered, and those can deal with the hordes of enemies that will try to ambush them. This is how I behaved during my first playthrough. Also, Arthur is very good combat wise, and even better upon promo, so it isn't out of place to recommend such a unit to a begginer, otherwise, Leif would suffer the same fate, don't you think?
But Forseti Arthur isn't just "Alright"
Indeed, he is a bit worse than that.
@@vortexoblivion85 He is next to Lester, and that guy makes you choose between the brave bow or the rescue staff. If you go with rescue your Lester will be pretty bad. It's kinda weird to compare the best Lester to a mediocre Arthur, that's all.
@@yanbern2069 Honestly, both Lester and Arthur are units with whom I have issues with.
Getting Horseti is a big investment dump since you want him with Paragon Ring + Pursuit Ring and the former is destined to Seliph since he is the best user of it while he competes with Leif for the ring. No mention the 6th chapter is a Seliph spoonfeed fest and the 7th should be used to train Leif, so Lewyn!Arthur is low on the pecking order to get EXP + Paragon Ring in general when the prime goal of Lewyn!Arthur is to have Horseti which happens around Chapter 8 at best.
Lester is a tragedy, even at his best, he is average and less useful than Midir despite being a better version of him since Gen 2 has better units or have 50-kills Javelin, Light Brand or maybe another magic sword. That's why a fair portion of players tends to make Lana better by sacrificing Lester to Claud genes nowadays.
1st!
Even pairings aside There is zero reason to make any Arthur besides Forsetti Arthur.
I always pair Azel with Tailtiu because LewynXErin is Lewyn's best pairing. Arthur is not the best Forseti user, and Fee!Lewyn is way better than Fee!Noish.
@@grantsantos5027 just no. You get forsetti in ch 1 of gen 2. An Arthur gets a mount.
And Claude!Erinis is better since both kids use staffs.
@@funnynamehere1261 Arthur is frail as hell when he joins, his natural avoid is not high enough to be workable when I need it to be, and he drains so much gold from Patty just to make him reliable with a pursuit ring. Not worth the time and resources to do what gets done with Azel!Arthur early on (kill a few enemies, and recruit Tine). Arthur does the same things whether he has Forseti or not, except kill a few bosses, which even if he was Horseti, he wouldn't be the be most optimal choice for them. There are plenty of units prepared to kill bosses in fe4, Horseti is not the end all, be all of boss killers. Just use Ares, Seliph, Shannan, Dermott, or Fee. There's no point to putting that much investment into a unit for the same result I'd get if he wasn't even there.
Fee doesn't want +1 to staff rank. She wants combat stats and skills. Lewyn always caps her speed, magic, skill, defense, and res. Her luck is always high, and the worst strength to possibly get on Fee is 18, which has never happened, because anyone can just redo her arena unitl Fee recieves the stats they want. She is great for spamming Javelins, baiting enemies for faster seizes, crating with magic swords, and she fails to double generics. So the Adept and Critical is great to have from the beginning. Would I trade all this combat versatility and effectiveness for access to physic and warp? No, I would not. Leif can wield recover and physic, and warp should stay close to your home castle.
@@funnynamehere1261 When you need to ridiculously dump ressources in a unit like Lewyn!Arthur to make them good, I don't really call that optimal and guess what? A promoted Lewyn!Arthur doesn't perform better or worse than a promoted Azelle!Arthur since the latter with Elwind does the same thing than Horseti.
Lewyn pairings are so pointless tbh
@@grantsantos5027 "and the worst strength to possibly get on Fee is 18, which has never happened, because anyone can just redo her arena unitl Fee recieves the stats they want."
lol. All that work to sound unbiased and you had to drop that turd of a suggestion.
Sometimes I give FEH shit for often making the performance of units by character deviate widely from their home game, but I'm looking forward to Tine being disgustingly overpowered when she's released next year, just to dunk on Genealogy's game design and "balance".
Main Issues with Tine is that she has no horse promo lol. Otherwise, she’s essentially a better version of her mom with good join time.
Only Eldigan, Arden, Annand and Tailtiu i’d say were weak in Fe4 but became good somehow in Feh
@@monkeman5895 and better magic growth, except if her father is beowulf (and this is stupid).
I wish they gave mages a little more resistance, I've been struggling against the bolting mages