Danger of schism: open fronts in the global Catholic Church
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- At this moment in the Catholic Church, there are several areas where a schism could occur.
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As a German I can tell you: The people are loyal to the Pope, not some random Bishop in Germany.
May God bless the good, faithful Catholics of Germany who stay loyal to the succesor of Saint Peter.
Our German Catholic Brothers must fight to remain in communion with the Pope and the Holy Catholic Church🙏Courage brother!!!✝️❤️☦️🇻🇦
u sure ? german is federal and new
This is good to know. Push back against the corruption of the German hierarchy of the church.
Evangelicals and Israel?
It's important to emphasize just how serious the German situation is, as many of the German bishops have actually called for changing Church teaching on abortion, gay marriage, female priests, etc. This just shows how out of whack they are with Catholic beliefs and how schism there is a very real possibility. Pope Francis has already clashed with them several times on these issues and so it really seems to be a touch-and-go situation. Because the Church can't change its teachings on these issues, as then it would contradict itself and cease to be the Church that Christ established.
Some think the Holy Catholic Church in Rome is too conservative; some think it’s too radical. Just goes to show that you can’t please everybody.
Faithful Catholics are scandalized by the heretics in Francis' Vatican. The gays are thrilled.
Nobody and I repeat nobody claims rome is too conservative. Not anyone in the church anyway.
Then why insist on Latin mass ? Is religion for creating division like Henry VIII did proclaiming himself as head of the church.
@@orangemanbad False, look at German and Belgian bishops who want to accept gay marriage...
@@Punkgiver they’re not Catholic though
This SSPX claim in this news short is not true. If you read or listen to the Archbishop you may be surprised as to the high degree the predictions of his arguments have in light if the so called new church.
I was just going to say this!
What was reported in the news clip was facts. The SSPX spreads a false narrative of propaganda which can be easily disproven by verifiable facts. You claim that it is false that the founder of the SSPX was excommunicated; yet, it is documented that he was. Anyone can look it up.
Loyalty should not be to any pope, cardinal or bishop but to GOD alone
🙏💕PRAYERS FOR the persecution of our faithful Archbishop Viganò.💕Our Holy Trinity has the ultimate authority and the FINAL word. 🙏
(John 15:19-20) "If you were of the world, the world would love you as its own; but because you are not of the world,
but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Remember the word that I said to you: 'A servant is not greater than his master.'If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you".
( John 15:19-20 )
Pray for Archbishop Vigano for speaking the TRUTH
Lol you're joking right?
Submit to Rome
Where is the christian charity in your response? @@khondwaniwn3
@@smpark12 indeed brethren
@@edukaeshn clearly you have no clue what he's been saying BC if you did know you wouldn't be here question me about charity maybe you should be asking his Grace that question .( don't even get me wrong for sure prayers for him that he submits to Rome as he undergoes trial) yeah )
Bisoplaava vadu kusa avasanaa vanthadha bisoplaava vadu kusa vasana vantha nam mokakda prsnaya vadu kusa vasana vantha karannaa nathiva mokakdha karanna kiyannaa kaallo pamvathiyo u n nagayo vanava vagaa mongall kathaa hadannadha kallo pamvathiyo kiyagannaa kathaa vala mini maraganna kollo inna nattya hadannadha kiyannaa
Finally this wicked institution is paying for its sins. I hope the eastern churches are humble enough and leave while they can
Come Holy Spirit fill the hearts of the faithful and kindle in them the fire of your love 🙏🕊️💗
Unfortunate news. However let's look at the good. Actual Protestants came back into communion with Rome.
Check the Ordinariates of Our Lady of Walsingham (U.K. and Canada), Our Lady of the Southern Cross (Australia) and The Chair of Saint Peter (U.S.A.).
Hep hep hurray! 🎉
A small problem with that is that only some protestants were allowed back with their distinct traditions intact. At least two Black pentecostal churches and some former orthodox converted to Catholicism and they could not come back with any of their liturgical or prayer traditions. To say that anglicans and lutherans are closer because of form is arbitrary as all of them severed communion with the church by being protestant. I pray that our church can be enriched by all of its returning sons and daughters.
They did not comeback into communion with the Faith but rather a brood of vipers.
@@edukaeshn You're delusional, ignorant of history.
Approve different liturgies, remove leaders conducting themselves in rebellious ways despite fraternal correction, hold everyone accountable involved with sexual abuse, and make every effort to pass on the faith to youth.
Get rid of the NO Mass and restore the TLM
@@carolynkimberly4021 You missed the point, let those who want NO have it, same for TLM, a particular Syro Malabar etc.
Right on! That's exactly what needs to happen to promote unity and purify the Church
Novus Ordo is scandalous. @@johnrooney507
They're so afraid to say SSPX. Clownish "journalism".
Schism is cringe
Yes
Yes, Bergoglian schism is cringe.
Wrong on monseigneur Lefebvre,his excommunication was forced by the moderniste Cardinals in Rome unto our holy father jean Paul ll.
This tragic move was révoque by holy father benedict xvl.,of blessed memory
Don't Say lefebvriens ,please Say fratrenity of st pius x.
Thank you.
Marcel Lefebvre's excommunication was never lifted by Benedict XVI. Lefebvre died in a state of excommunication, just like Martin Luther. Benedict XVI lifted the canonical excommunications of four SSPX prelates: Fellay, Tissier de Mallerais, Williamson, and Galarreta. Furthermore, the SSPX is in schism, per Canon 751: "schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him".
Not true. Lefebvre has always remained excommunicated. Long live the Holy Catholic Church 🇻🇦🇻🇦🇻🇦
Lefebvreians is completely appropriate, just like “Lutheran” and “Calvinist.”
Actually it was not forced rather automatically done as per the Canon Law. Pope John Paul II at that time just confirming that an auto excommunication was indeed happened at the moment he lay his hand upon the head of the 4 consecrated Bishops. That's unfortunate indeed but that's how the law works.
@@TheCrusaderPub errr... No. Do you even know what Luther and Calvin did and what Mgr. Levebfre did? Indeed three of them break off from the Holy See but there is a fundamental thing that makes what Mgr. Levebfre did can't be compared to what Luther and Calvin did. What Luther and Calvin did after breaking off from the Holy See was completely change the doctrine, rewrite their own bible to fit their new defined dogma perfectly. Now, did Mgr. Levebfre did the same? No. What he did wrong was he consecrate 4 Priests into the office of episcopacy without Papal mandate, but he never change the doctrine, the dogma, the teaching of the Catholic Church and command his seminarian to study that remain unchanged teaching and protect it from disappearing. Now, let me ask you. Did that make him a heretic and that put him in the same place like Luther and Calvin? In my honest opinion, no. He indeed did a schismatic movement back in 1988 but never did he became a heretic, defying the teaching of Christ. Never, not even once!
What is the actual tie between Vigano and the lefebvrians? The supporting of traditional groups doesn’t seem to be it, because there are traditionalists orders that have nothing to do with SSPX. It’s a big claim, it should be backed up
SSPX spokesmen have openly defended Ukraine in the current conflict, and have censured Viganò for his pro-Russian statements.
Apparently the rumor says Mgr. Vigano was reconsecrated into episcopacy earlier this year by the expelled SSPX Bishop. So he has no tie with SSPX indeed.
Do anyone is ROMEREPORTS do their homework? There is no basis for the claim that Vigano and SSPX have any ties whatsoever. They are called SSPX not Lefebvrians, they are irregular and within the Catholic Church structure. It shows clearly that someone in ROMEREPORTS wants the SSPX to be in Schism, not only this video but all videos they put the society in a bad position.
@@chris22captVigano we trust
His ties are with an offshoot of the SSPX. He has indirect ties with the SSPX because he has been publicly misleading the faithful by saying that they can fulfill their Sunday obligation at these schismatic masses - something that the magisterium states the opposite on. He likewise has direct ties with Mel Gibson who supports all these groups.
❤🙏🎄✝️🎄🙏❤ GOD BLESS YOU PAPA 🙏 GOD ALWAYS WITH YOU 🙏 PRAISE THE LORD 🙏🎄✝️🎄🙏
What is this procession of the pope Francis? th-cam.com/video/PbPz8pPp2JE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_5WwByW4qVhFkbe_
The Society of St. Pius the tenth (SSPX) - not Lefebrvrains, they are not a sect, they are in communion with the See of St. Peter. When did Vigano join them??? The source of your lies and misinformation?
I suspect you will see no correction on the calumnious accusations.
@@edukaeshn sad to see journalism being used to give wrong information. I hope for the best, I expect more from ROMEREPORTS,
Pray for Arcbishop Vigano
I pray that he renounces his false theology, recognizes that Francis is the pope, and that he realizes that spreading the Gospels through actions is far more important than gold chalices and esoteric theology.
Pray he repent of his schism, we all need to fight our temptations with the Grace of God 🙏🏼
pray he lets go of his pride.
Vigano is a good and faithful bishop who is calling out the unholy errors of Modernism and the changes of doctrine found in some of the declarations of the "pastoral", non infallible Vatican ll. I'm sure Vigano still mentions Francis in the Mass, a sign of his fidelity to the Papacy.
To repent.
CORRECTION: Archbishop Vigano does NOT have any connection to the SSPX. He is a Sedevacantist ( denies that Pope Francis is the Roman Pontiff), and denies the whole of Vatican II. While the SSPX criticizes Modernism infecting the Church, it recognizes Pope Francis as the legitimate Roman Pontiff and the Second Vatican Council as a valid council of the Church. The SSPX is NOT IN SCHISM.
I know. But tell that to regular Catholics.
Not sure that is true not saying it is not true. I think the clarification needs to be made to clearly indicate what Bishop Williamson status is within the Formal SSPX. He, along with Bishop Fellay and 2 others had their excommunications rescinded, but Williamson's was reinstated is considered outside the bounds of the Formal SSPX. It seems Vigano has a close association with Williamson. Again, it seems, but that I think may also be included in Vigano's excommunication charges along with rejecting Vatican II and Pope Francis as the Successor of St. Peter (Pope).
The SSPX recognizes the Pope but denies his authority over them. They keep erecting CHurches of their own, establishing their own ecclesistical tribunal without the consent of the local bishops. They act like a sect. Sayin they accept the second Vatican council is A BIG JOKE from you.
The SSPX is illogical in every ways. Sedevacantists are way more consistent in their way. The SSPX IS SCHISMATIC, whether you want to accept It or not. The Ecclesia Dei also fight modernism, but they are not in schism.
@@palermotrapani9067They made their own congregation called San pius the V SSPV no relation to sspx
The SSPX is schismatic. This is a fact, despite what self-proclaimed experts on the internet will say. Read the Magisterium’s official declarations, not the quagmire of personal opinions and canonical excuses its adherents push.
Christian unity needs to come, praying that we come to one flock again 🙏❤
Unity will come when those outside the Faith repent and come home to the Catholic Church. "Dialogue" is a waste of time .
@@carolynkimberly4021 You're wrong. Actual Protestants are slowly coming back. A great bunch did already, read about the Ordinariates of Our Lady of Walsingham, Our Lady of the Southern Cross, Chair of Saint Peter.
As for you, the people you follow are neo-protestants. Just because they equip all traditional clothes, it doesn't mean they mean good.
Enemies of The Church can wear trad cloghing, say latin prayers, etc... But it's by their fruit you know them. Lies, scandal, slander, rebelion, these are their fruits.
I'll pray for you, and like-faithed souls.
@@carolynkimberly4021Exactly 🙏
Indeed we need unity
We are all in unity until they formally declare so. So for now, let us pray that God send the Holy Spirit for discernment and that they are all reminded of Jesus’ promise to St Peter, and thus to all his successors, today Pope Francis, that the gates of hades shall not prevail against it.
Pray for Pope Francis’ intentions and practice obedience to his Holy Father.
How about for slim Jim and the Vatican's approval for it? Is that on the table?
God bless His Holiness Pope Francis.
Long live the Pope!
The Catholic Church has gone through many persecutions since its inception. Still the same. Remember that Jesus is sleeping with his head on the stern of the ship which is the church. Wake him up like the disciples did. He will protect us and our church. Because He is our God ✝️❤️🩹
How could Germany be at risk when Francis is just as liberal as its prelates ? The relationship between the two elements of India and the SSPX shows the incoherence of Francis' liturgical policy, which is what is sowing schism. In one case, a restoration of tradition is supported, while in the other it is forsaken.
Tell me how the Pope is only nearly as liberal as the Germans
This is wrong. Pope Francis preserves the Deposit of Faith and does not touch it, what he expresses more than others is the side of mercy of the sinner (not the toleration of the sin). Stop this uncalled for disobedience to the Vicar of Christ!! It is causing the rifts and tensions that are unnecessary, playing into the games of atheists and anti-Catholics.
@@aaron1983 And what is more necessary than to make sure reason harmonizes with the senses and faith ? I only preach sanity. Truth is not a game to play with - we are told to remain quiet while catholic teachings are being distorted and the bride of Christ is being raped. There is no disobedience in what I say, because we are not bound to stop acknowledging a cat for a cat.
Pope Francis has said and taught new things that are either erroneous, or savouring of heresy, or scandalous, or offensive to pious ears. I don't care if people will be accidentally scandalized by saying it. First, I think it is incorrect to say that true and fair criticism of the pope will create disharmony between faith and reason; secondly, I don't want to develop Stockholm syndrome; thirdly, we are not here on earth to take all means to make this world better or perfect, but we are here merely for our eternal salvation - this is the Gospel.
The video showing Syro Malabar bishops are that of Latin Rite bishops of India
Western ignorance.
It’s time for a new pope. Maybe next time, they will elect a Catholic.!
I also put all my faith in the Holy Spirit, that the Catholic priests in Germany will do the right thing and desist corrupting the Deposit of Faith. Obedience to the Pope is all the more important, if we trust in Jesus’ promise (Matthew 16:18) and trust in the Holy Spirit, we should trust our Pope.
They didn't leave the Church, the Church left them seeking the friendship and praise of the Fallen World who's god is Satan. Forsake faith and find out.
Without Francis and all his “reforms” none of this would occur. Francis shouldn’t be so much bossing around and banning this and that liturgy etc.
Archbishop Lefebvre did not create a schism. Consecrating bishops without a Papal mandate is an offence that incurs latae sententiae excommunication according to the 1983 code of canon law. Nowhere does it say that it constitutes an act of schism, nor did Lefebvre and his bishops claim any ordinary jurisdiction. They recognise both the Pope and the diocesan bishops appointed by him.
They "recognize" authority yet do not submit to them. That means they de facto don't recognize them. Not submitting to the pope is what schism is. St John Paul II declared that Lefebvre was automatically excommunicated because of his schismatic act (directly going against the pope's orders which is a lack of submission); and he likewise declared that those associated with his movement (the SSPX) were likewise separating themselves from the Church. The pope has the authority and you do not.
@@vivacristorey4363 "They "recognize" authority yet do not submit to them. That means they de facto don't recognize them. Not submitting to the pope is what schism is." These are two unqualified statements. Can you provide evidence to justify them?
Speaking of authority, if the SSPX is in schism, what authority does Pope Francis have to give their priests faculties for confessions and to bless marriages, both of which he has done?
@@UncleFester-zz5jj No qualifications needed as it is based on simple principles. of obedience or lack there of. So instead I will give an example. Well, in the military, if a private calls his leader "Corporal" but decides to do what he wants, the recognition of that authority is meaningless in practice.
The pope has authority to grant faculties because he's the pope. The Orthodox Church has retained their faculties to do confessions because all the popes since the schism have allowed for it. If he can do so for the schismatic Orthodox, then he can do so for the SSPX for the benefit of those misled by it.
The pope does not lose his authority over a group because of schism. But they ignore his authority, other than when convenient.
If the SSPX did not need faculties, then why do they brag about it ever since they were given it? And why did they claim they didn't need it before being given it?
@@UncleFester-zz5jj See how quickly a soldier is tried for insubordination if he calls his corporal by the proper title yet defies his orders.
@@vivacristorey4363 Fascinating. Now back to my request for evidence for your unqualified assertions, please.
Too many heretical, homosexual priests and bishops in the Church and the leaders do nothing. As always.
Free germany catholic church from devil ✝️☦️🙏
Vigano supports good priests who have been cancelled by bad bishops.
Vigano is a cafeteria Catholic
So did Martin Luther, what's your point
Funcionario honesto clama por socorro diz que o seu barquinho vai afundar e que necessita receber o salario honesto e a chefe do Cristo chefe finge que nao escuta o funcionario honesto a chefe finge que nao entende que tem que pagar o salario do funcionario honesto.
Unico que as chefe da natural Cristo a sempre virgem chefe ensinou NAO PAGAR O QUE DEVE SI PAGAR PAGAR ATRASADO E SI PAGAR PAGAR POUCO COM DEMORA .
Em nome do Deus Catolico Aquilo que a nobreza faz com funcionario a propria vai receber exacto .
Cardinal Victor Manuel Fernández.. WAY BEFORE HE WAS MADE CARDINAL COMMENTED THAT "A SCHISM WAS COMING"
BUT THEY PUT IT ON FAST TRACKS...
Crazy how the German bishops don’t get excommunicated but any slightly conservative leaning cardinal gets the boot. Francis really is hard to trust
Pope Francis is as conservative as needed.
And away with your unnecessary distinctions. There are catholics who keep the faith, follow church teachings and there are those who don't. That's it.
The Syro Malabar priests are a minority in the Southern end of India. They do not constitute the majority of Catholics in India. For the good of all it's better to put aside differences by giving Christ the importance and not just traditions limited to a few. Jesus asked, ' Is it lawful to heal ( help, go out of the way to help , to promote love, unity and brotherhood ) on the Sabbath? '.
That computerized voice is pretty hard to listen to.
Really. Plus the word "schism" is more properly pronounced "sizm", not "skism".
I think the major problem here is the 2nd Vatican council 😔😔
Of course it is.
If you don’t believe that as an entire church the power of the Holy Spirit can act infallibly then everything else is shaky foundations. Disobedience to the church as a whole, and especially to the Holy Father, and equivalently distrust of Jesus’ promise to St Peter and all those who occupy this rock where He has built his church, will cause internal ruin.
Study the Arian crisis.
@@aaron1983
Study Pope Honorius (heretic)
@@aaron1983
Nonsense @@aaron1983
Schism is a sinful thing. Praying for the Church
The problem is the one sitting on the throne. A king or absurdity, a preacher of catholicism with a drop of heresy.
the pope started this himself - now u see the result XD XD XD
Big deal. What's one more denomination? 🙄
So what’s the deal with Germans and giving the Catholic church a hard time every now and then?
The Pope has done all this
Pope Francis is a master of disguise and omnipresent too! 😮
Arguing over man made gods & churches 😂
Place the Church in Germany under interdict
Just allow Latin without bullying.
Poor journalism!
Nobody who doesnʼt submit to Rome is not a traditionalist
And they will end in chaos like the schisms of the past.
Gee all this since Bergoglio came to power
Most of these predate Pope Francis. The Lefebvre one was under Pope John Paul 2nd. The Syro Malabar Church has had issues like this since the 1800s
I thought Pope Francis wanted, to cause a mess.
naaah, i bet you never been to vatican
Ignorance is a choice. May God bless you and give you eyes to see and ears to hear. @@aloyd6157
You must be a protestant
Well you were wrong.
Sancte Pie Decime, ora pro nobis
The antipope is also a threat to the Catholic Church.
Take your mortal sin of schism elsewhere.
@@TheCrusaderPub The Pope literally just prayed with a bunch of Buddhists to a false god, how is that not heretical?
@@a.ihistory5879 tu quoque fallacy
@@TheCrusaderPub Bergoglio isn't a catholic
@@doraemon402 u should stick to cartoons
The true church is underground now.
what is a true church???
@@aloyd6157Christ's Church: One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic
Nope. It’s called the Orthodox Catholic Church.
Acts 10:39 KJV "And we are witnesses of all things which HE (CHRIST) did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; Whom they slew and hanged on a tree: 40 HIM God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; 41 not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of GOD, even to us, who did eat and drink with HIM after HE rose from the dead. 42 And HE commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is HE which was ordained of GOD to be the Judge of quick and dead. 43 To HIM give all the prophets witness, that through HIS NAME whosoever believes in HIM shall receive remission of sins."
Note: One of Peter's first sermons in Acts and not one mention of a pope or priest or RCC or sacraments or masses or Mary for the forgiveness of sins.
I also read the book of Genesis and not one mention of Church, Apostles, Christian, Jesus, bible, Rapture, America, YouTubu e.t.c. I hope u use your brains not your prejudice.
@@noblealbert.5075 Then you must be blind.
@@jacktracy8356 No, u are the blind and dumb person based on the off point u wrote above.
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I will talk with brother for further inquiry. As upset as I am, I will not let the matter go in vain.
Francis said he wanted s schism
Rome has been the one in schism for 2,000 years and they are the ones who need to realize that. The broke away from the other Apostolic sees. Shame on them.
Huh? Those who break away from Rome are in schism. You got it backwards. Rome has the pope, the schisms don't. This is the difference.
Time for another MAJOR division in Catholic Church. Remember no church is true to God but to man as was the foundation of every denomination under the sun, within Creation.
Flores, who takes pictures of himself in mirrors, has some strong advice for the prospects of global Christianity.
why no christian???