"The game of Whack-A-Mole needed a few more whacks for the Terran to win" - Tasteless, 2021. Top tier analysis. SC2 forums in shambles claiming you can't basetrade a terran
@@999-t3t8b exactly, It's so comical hearing people complain about Toss being OP when they've historically been the worst race at pretty much every level, but especially so at the pro level.
@@Teferi66 not true. Below top level they've been the strongest. And the reason at the very top level they aren't winning is because they don't have players on the level of maru or serral for example. Toss players haven't evolved with the game because they haven't needed to for a long time. And now they are stuck not being the very best players. Imbalanced faction is no substitute for skill.
@@TheMHB199 I actually strongly disagree, protoss is the best pub stomp race and the worst competitive race because they have the easiest units to control, with the lowest micro potential of any race, terrans and zergs have the most intricate and micro intensive units and or economic systems which are super hard to use, but also allows for the highest possible skill caps, where protoss has a far lower skill cap which, quite simply can’t allow for their most skilled players to fully express their skill in game.
The level of skills in a bo7 of this man is insane. He never play roach ravagers because it is not viable at the highest level in ZvT. Dark always go with it and he ends up losing against top level Terran, as he just did in this gsl. So coming to this final against the 4th race with a new approach of such a inferior style, and tripling it down like roach was op show how terrifying a prepared rogue can be. In terms of strategy and preparation. This was THE absolute master class. Don't get fooled be the anti-meta midgame tech, it was a true form of starcraft genius. So impressed. Can't wait for next season
@@yuuki3 Yeaits it's stupid they can survive 3 mine hits with 1 hp because they actually heal that quick. Unless all 3 hits are instantaneous u need four mine connections to clear a muta flock.
@@RoseGold-Playa Tbh, mines killing mutas in anything less than that would be op, Mutas are tier 2 and require immense micro, having a tier 1 unit that requires 2 clicks to properly set up, kill them, would be utterly unfair.
Without having to worry about public access, they focused on many other aspects of the tournament and more on the social media interactions. Which, like you said, really improved a bunch of the production.
Easy to implement recommendation to improve client/viewer experience: add som blank content after the videos so that we cannot know in advance what is going to happen by mid show
This was a live stream….it’s not a match recording so it ends when the show is over. It was never intended for people to catch up if you missed it because you would have known the results already
I love the segments/interviews GSL makes for the players. This type of content allows the players to share their personality with the international community. Much love for Gyuri and AfreecaTV but tbh the short winner's interviews after games don't set up for much more the usual "I'm thankful the win. I'll try harder. Ty to my fans." Would love for them to maybe invest their efforts into more substancial content. I'm fluent in korean so I have no need for translation but I think it'd be great for the SC community as a whole to be able to relate to each other a bit more. GGWP! Thank you AfreecaTV and GSL
I disagree with the winner interviews being pointless. It's nice to wind down after a deciding match and recap some of the highlights from the matches, which Gyuri does a great job of. She is really one of the best interviewers imo, super energetic and very detailed with her questions, not just generic scripted questions. It'd be pretty boring if we just jumped from one matchup to the next without some sort of social interlude.
@@orcapuff True. That's a fair point. It's not like we need to choose one or the other at the end of the day. Absolutely no shade towards Gyuri at all just to be clear. Just think there's definitely room for improvement in terms of connecting with a more global audience. Again, just nitpicking tiny details as a long time gsl viewer.
Given Rogue's intimate familiarity with how Maru plays Terran, I think this game was just Rogue getting a perfect opponent for him to fight. He knows in and out how Maru plays Terran after years of being his teammate and sparring partner and was EXTREMELY well prepared for it. This was as much Rogue being a beast of a Zerg as it was him knowing how best to fight Maru, and exploiting his weaknesses. Granted, I think Maru did perform sub-par this final. Maybe he was overthinking things, or maybe he's just gotten too comfortable in his tried and true style and just couldn't adapt on the fly as well as other Terrans might have. Either way Rogue performed excellently, and I hope this final acts as a motivator for Maru going forward.
yea, and why doesn't it work the other way around? Maru knows how Rogue play as well, but that doesn't change much because of the few options you've left against someone who is throwing shit at you without even bothering to be cost-effective, and then you still lose
LOL. Wrong. Rogue was sparring with TY and Cure. All they had to do was look at how he was playing in the last matches and come with a reasonable game plan that would work the most often.
@@mongolian242 Maru could not practice with Dark, because he is Rogue teammate, was a bummer. I am quite sure Dark would have prepared Maru against that Roach Ravager pressure style. Instead, I heard Maru was practicing against some EU Zerg (maybe Serral/Elazer/Reynor) and those guys almost never use Roach Ravager in their games, its LingBane all the way for them.
The last few months it’s been Roaches and Queens Walking across the map, basically Stephano at the end of WoL, Back when they first added the actual range attack to Queens, rather than it being a dumb long range melee attack, and transfuse was a flat 100 health heal. At least the “Seoul Stroll” is a good name for it 😂
Humiliation. I don't think THIS shaped up to be the best GSL final ever. Despite casters doing their best first three games were so one-sided it was painful to watch.
Must say, Maru adapted too slowly, if he hadn’t drop 3 games, he wouldn’t be in such a vulnerable position. That slow banelings taking out 22 scv in the last game was the final nail in the coffin.
Maru looked really shaky this whole season imo. His marine spreads/etc looked pretty sloppy, seemed like he was second guessing himself a lot too. He should have lost to Trap, Trap basically threw three games then got cheesed.
It would be awesome if they did but they won't because if people don't watch until the end of the video it messes up the youtube algorithm for video suggestions.
yeah spoils it when you see Rogue 3-1 and notice only 20 mins left in video... which presumably includes a trophy ceremony, so safe to say who won and viewing spoiled.
it was a good game imo- i understand that producers probably want a close game, but in terms of pure stratergy and preperation Rogue smashed this. Never thought roach ravager complete army was anything more than for laddar.
@@JacKThEREapER0 It's not like that. It's a stratergy that is not usualy the "main army" because it does not do well against higher tech unites. Roach ravager is considered to be a slightly "lesser skill" laddar army, Rogue pulled it off with such skill and smashed victory.
The main issue is that terran can't produce fast enough to keep up with the constant wave attack of zerg. The second issue is that terran doesn't have strong enough unit tech in the early game to hold off the Roach Ravager frontal attacks. Mauraders are good, but not enough. If you notice the fights, terran consistently lacks an anchor point on which to hold his defences. I think this is definitely a strong zerg meta strategy, but perhaps if Terran had built planetaries at his third bases, he might have been able to fight around them, and thus he might have been able to protect his scv line better, thus allowing him to continue to max out. Basically Zerg played like a true zerg, using mass wave attacks and simple micro to grind the terran into dust. Pretty much the same strategy that the Soviets used against the Nazis. Amazing gameplay and strategy by Rogue for sure, although Maru's micro was nothing to laugh at either.
Check the fights where terran is winning (g4) maru is intentionally constricting the field with buildings to create an advantageous position. In so many of these engagements, zerg has a superior arc. It's mostly due to T playing to his tanks (which works great vs. ling) but when roaches get their ideal arc against marines, it's really rough.
As I am no expert, please you expert guys tell me why maru didn't build a raven for the first three games. Wouldn't anti armor missile shut this down? Or would it just be too much of an investement?
they never thought of it. they spend all their time learning how to click and push buttons with insane speed. it's like why boxers and fighters have coaches and strategists. they just punch, someone else needs to think for them.
Anti armor is a joke. There are reasons higher rank and pros dont use it, dont bother. Seeker missile use to keep mass strart in micro skill check. Now Raven is generally a low value unit.
Ill answer this: Raven is a heavy gas investment and time out of the starport/techlab build time. 1 Raven is equivalent of 2 medivac/tanks. If it was just for that, your idea could work but the main problem come from Mana/radius. In most games, Rogue waited to be max to push, if he scout the raven, he can easily split his roach and only get 5-10 to get hit at most. (and he has like 30-10ravager at that point) You don't have 4 shots of anti-armor missile, you have 1 or 2 at most. If you hit 5 or less roaches/ravagers, you insta lose because the raven doesn't make up its cost and you need the DPS. If you hit 10(which you would have to be lucky and rogue not splitting), Rogue can easily just go back a bit with those and wait 10s and push again. It might save you a bit of time, but the problem against the build is an economy one. By pushing and doing a lot of economic damage, you prevent a 3rd base from ever going up while you have a 3rd of your own and a 4th on the way.
roach need to be nerfed i think, makes mid game so boring. Protoss now hat voidray to deal with it but for terran is really hard. i still remembered last 2 year when all Z just have to mass roach, F2 A move to win games, if not...just trade roach and macro at home :)
I am kind of new to SC2 but how do you really counter this rush? I mean I heard the commentators mention a battclecrusier rush, but other than that would a few bunkers work too?
@@endefisto123 Well, you see Maru actually did hold that Roach Ravager push in game 2, then he just get bone-headed and move all of his Bio away leaving the Tanks completely defenseless. To defend this as Bio Terran, you need to delay the 3rd CC, get earlier Tanks production from the Factory, and set up a couple Bunkers in the front. Terran has been holding against this since the beginning of LOTV, Maru just get the rugged pull under his feet because he never expected Rogue to do this in consecutive games. As for the BC-Mech, technically it should also counter this roach style because they dont shoot up, and BC can teleported over early to get quicker scout and delay the push by taking down drone, focing more Queens, Spores, ect..
I can rewatch it again and again. 60 banelings rolling. Priceless surprise face of Maru. Following zerglings CC hit&run. Thank you Rogue for this entertaining match!
2:15:36 "Rogue is exploding right now!" - amusing choice of words, considering what the widow mines do to rogue immediately after Artosis says this. XD
Love that content announcement for this year AfreecaTV is the bomb! Can't wait for 3 super tournaments. Also this GSL finals i'm about to watch!!! WOOOOOO GO MARU
It's not even an all in. A Zerg can recover from a roach rush 10 times easier than a Protoss can recover from a 2 base immortal sentry, or a terran can with a 2 base tank marine scv.
Maru not in his top form. That already showed in the semis. Grats to Roguer Zerg Gamer for a anstonishing performance. Beast mode in macro, micro and decisinmaking
These are the finals that assure us all that the action is not scripted, it is, indeed, as real as it gets. This looked like a C day of ladder games from Maru and a carefully choreographed coffin dance from Rogue.
This was the best macro zwerg i have seen since serral was at his best! More Bases, more workers, more army (yeah not the best, but enough mass) and even in upgrades. Great zerg play rouge :)
Careful of the two base timing as well. Best method is to get in early harass for a bit of scouting and slow down the max out and switch to marauders + Medivacs for the first push. More gas friendly than tanks for close battles.
slow trickle of damage=inevitable loss Maru was shamed away from using 2 rax by Rogue in the video before. He should have opened the first game with a 2 rax to fry Rogue's nerves.
not enough money and time . you see zerg max production at 8 min , while maru has only 13x-14x and 60 drone vs 40 scv . how can he stand against rouge with every single strike . beside that he need marine also for raid and defend zergling.
@@peterk2735 Kinda true, kinda not We are not talking about you and me who are bad at this game The pressure by roach-ravager is 1-- Efficient 2.- Consistent 3.- Reliable 4.- Flexible The only reason he lost was because 1 echange was awfull...not "decent" o respectable
Interestingly enough, Roach Ravager fell out of favor exactly because top micro guys like Maru were so good at defending it. Rogue figured something out and Maru just wasn't at the top of his game.
@@sebastianpalominos3706 The reason Maru lost is because he wasn't on his game. Maru 3-0 Rogue at IEM earlier this year defending this zerg build order.
Bien por Rogue, imparable! Merecido campeón. Maru no estuvo a la altura de la final, su nivel estuvo bajo, que raro 🤔. Seguro que Trap lo Hubiera hecho mejor, lástima. Felicitaciones Rogue 👏🏻
One of the best macro terran out there, have medivac, tanks, marines and marauders and get killed by roach ravager. These games where just stupid and lame. Rogue was afraid to go late game.
@@alexandrelachance77 In case you missed it, Maru had incredibly fast drilling claws and had some terrifying pushes to end the game early. We simply did not get to late game because Maru was not able to defend (aside from that 1 game that he actually did). Slow banes wrecking 22 scvs? How can you even blame Rogue for that?
Damn, what a spanking.... tbh I was kinda expecting it, felt like rogue was the clear favorite but still that was a pretty perfect series from him. Congrats to Rogue!
@@Abayake It's an OP a-move/attack race and I was sure of this result as soon as I saw Rogue form in this tournament (which is below 80% ). He dominates other tournaments in top form and can only be challenged by another zerg (Dark (in top form), Serral, Raynor). No other player/race has even a REMOTE chance of winning.
@@Iosif-Bitie-glava.37.stih.17 Whine less and get better so you can understand the mind games and difficulty of what he did maybe? If you think this is just a-move you’re just plain old stupid (which might be why you’re bad at the game)
SPOILERS! Between the first 3 games vs. Trap and the 4 wins Rogue had here, Maru has proven to be predictable and uncreative. Maru will probably go down as one of the greatest mechanical players of all time, but IMO, his former teammates have shown during this GSL that there is something inherently missing from his games.
He is a bit like Inno in that regard. Soo was also another teammate, who countered Maru hard and threw him out of a WCS. Forgot the year, but it was the year, when Maru dominated all GSLs and was top favourite to be the next worlchampion. And then he proxyraxed 3 times vs Soo and Soo hardcountered it 3 times and kicked him out of the tourny.
I'm revisiting after I started playing zerg, and I'm just mind boggled at how Rogue keeps breaking tank lines with roach ravagers like it's nobody's business.
@@GetterRay I can write a short essay regarding this but I will make it really short. Husky stopped posting videos out of the blue without saying anything. He never said he was going to stop doing TH-cam and he never said thank you to his subscribers. Years later, he suddenly appeared to the public as a supporting role for his girlfriend who was a successful youtuber. On her channel, Husky made a video on reading the comments in his last video since a lot of those comments were about how disappointed they were because Husky just left them hanging dry. Most of these comments were logical explaining how Husky’s actions were ungrateful towards his viewers and how he wasn’t that great at handling the situation. What Husky did was on his reaction video: he purposely chose only the comments that insulted Husky in a very immature way. He portrayed as if all of his disgruntled viewers were acting like them and were hating on Husky for no good reason. Husky continuously mocked the viewers as a whole. Husky never apologized or thanked towards the viewers for his actions but he had the audacity to mock them. He later explained that he had problems with his voice so he stopped doing TH-cam, but that doesn’t explain how he couldn’t tell his viewers when he stopped doing TH-cam and just hide from his viewers.
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Two of the best, I can't help but keep coming back for the tastosis show. Nice work fellas
Artosis: “I don’t knowwwww....maybe he can come back from this-look at the tech.”
Tasteless: “Were you watching the last game? This is over dude.”
timestamp pls.
@@TimLee356 1:40:23
I mean... close enough, but yikes.
@@dexterdouglas I typed it from memory, fight me!
@@MatthewBakke i didnt even find it wtf lol
Huge thanks to everyone involved!!⚡️🍻♥️
"The game of Whack-A-Mole needed a few more whacks for the Terran to win" - Tasteless, 2021. Top tier analysis. SC2 forums in shambles claiming you can't basetrade a terran
Yeah I died when he said that 🤣
It's fun to watch chat go by arguing about protoss being OP in a TvZ.
Buff Toss, Nerf Zerg.
Toss has won 0 gsls in about 4 years LOL
@@999-t3t8b exactly, It's so comical hearing people complain about Toss being OP when they've historically been the worst race at pretty much every level, but especially so at the pro level.
@@Teferi66 not true. Below top level they've been the strongest. And the reason at the very top level they aren't winning is because they don't have players on the level of maru or serral for example. Toss players haven't evolved with the game because they haven't needed to for a long time. And now they are stuck not being the very best players. Imbalanced faction is no substitute for skill.
@@TheMHB199 I actually strongly disagree, protoss is the best pub stomp race and the worst competitive race because they have the easiest units to control, with the lowest micro potential of any race, terrans and zergs have the most intricate and micro intensive units and or economic systems which are super hard to use, but also allows for the highest possible skill caps, where protoss has a far lower skill cap which, quite simply can’t allow for their most skilled players to fully express their skill in game.
The level of skills in a bo7 of this man is insane. He never play roach ravagers because it is not viable at the highest level in ZvT. Dark always go with it and he ends up losing against top level Terran, as he just did in this gsl. So coming to this final against the 4th race with a new approach of such a inferior style, and tripling it down like roach was op show how terrifying a prepared rogue can be. In terms of strategy and preparation. This was THE absolute master class. Don't get fooled be the anti-meta midgame tech, it was a true form of starcraft genius. So impressed. Can't wait for next season
In term of preparation , it was a masterclass. In term of entertainment and storytelling, it was super bad x)
52:40 GAME 1
1:32:05 End of first commercials
2:05:47 End of second commercials
HF!
tyty
I accidentally skipped to the end at spoiled it for myself :(
@@Snesboy09 :c
You're a king
LETS GO¡!!!!!¡!!!! This has to be the first season where I watched all the matches right after they go on TH-cam! So excited!!
Disappointed yet? I was. Roaches every game. Such a snoozefest.
@@WestliFerZul goddamit. Space spider vs boom boom guys every game :((
it makes it special! started watching in gsl in 2020 and it still just as fun
@@bigdicccompanybreadmaker6505 haven't played this game seriously in a long long time but damn isn't the pro scene fun
yeah games were terrible, ASL is way more fun and dynamic with BW
Maru vs. Trap was the true finals!
Best semifinals in GSL history!
LUL just admit it , Rogue is the GOAT of SC2, he not even lost a bo7 in his life
Doesn't the true final stand for when 2 players are very even in the semis and the winner just stomps the other guy in the final and not get stomped?
2:15:36 Little did Artosis realize how literal that statement was about to be.
@@yuuki3 They literally survive with one health
@@ЕвгенийЦыкин-ч5о Artosis ...
@@yuuki3 Yeaits it's stupid they can survive 3 mine hits with 1 hp because they actually heal that quick. Unless all 3 hits are instantaneous u need four mine connections to clear a muta flock.
lmao
@@RoseGold-Playa Tbh, mines killing mutas in anything less than that would be op, Mutas are tier 2 and require immense micro, having a tier 1 unit that requires 2 clicks to properly set up, kill them, would be utterly unfair.
2:07:48 that drone at the top left hovering back to the hatch instead of getting knocked away by the grenade xD
lol 😆
what a great drone
Wth 🤣
imba
Lol
Production was great this season!
Without having to worry about public access, they focused on many other aspects of the tournament and more on the social media interactions. Which, like you said, really improved a bunch of the production.
But the song choice is questionable lol
Easy to implement recommendation to improve client/viewer experience: add som blank content after the videos so that we cannot know in advance what is going to happen by mid show
Agree. Hate that I can predict the score from the track-bar.
This was a live stream….it’s not a match recording so it ends when the show is over. It was never intended for people to catch up if you missed it because you would have known the results already
I guess Vibe will have to rename his videos from "Bronze to GM" to "Bronze to GSL Champion".
Such a weird series. Even the game Maru won was weird. Either Maru was just really off his game or he's getting some money on the side lol
@@RadicalnessSC2 Maru didn't look too great against trap either. He seems too noncommittal
I love the segments/interviews GSL makes for the players. This type of content allows the players to share their personality with the international community. Much love for Gyuri and AfreecaTV but tbh the short winner's interviews after games don't set up for much more the usual "I'm thankful the win. I'll try harder. Ty to my fans." Would love for them to maybe invest their efforts into more substancial content. I'm fluent in korean so I have no need for translation but I think it'd be great for the SC community as a whole to be able to relate to each other a bit more.
GGWP! Thank you AfreecaTV and GSL
I disagree with the winner interviews being pointless. It's nice to wind down after a deciding match and recap some of the highlights from the matches, which Gyuri does a great job of. She is really one of the best interviewers imo, super energetic and very detailed with her questions, not just generic scripted questions. It'd be pretty boring if we just jumped from one matchup to the next without some sort of social interlude.
@@orcapuff True. That's a fair point. It's not like we need to choose one or the other at the end of the day. Absolutely no shade towards Gyuri at all just to be clear. Just think there's definitely room for improvement in terms of connecting with a more global audience. Again, just nitpicking tiny details as a long time gsl viewer.
Tasteless: I think rogue is scarier than trap
Artosis: How dare you
Me: Dead
Given Rogue's intimate familiarity with how Maru plays Terran, I think this game was just Rogue getting a perfect opponent for him to fight. He knows in and out how Maru plays Terran after years of being his teammate and sparring partner and was EXTREMELY well prepared for it. This was as much Rogue being a beast of a Zerg as it was him knowing how best to fight Maru, and exploiting his weaknesses. Granted, I think Maru did perform sub-par this final. Maybe he was overthinking things, or maybe he's just gotten too comfortable in his tried and true style and just couldn't adapt on the fly as well as other Terrans might have. Either way Rogue performed excellently, and I hope this final acts as a motivator for Maru going forward.
yea, and why doesn't it work the other way around? Maru knows how Rogue play as well, but that doesn't change much because of the few options you've left against someone who is throwing shit at you without even bothering to be cost-effective, and then you still lose
Much hinsight bias here
LOL. Wrong. Rogue was sparring with TY and Cure. All they had to do was look at how he was playing in the last matches and come with a reasonable game plan that would work the most often.
@@mongolian242 Maru could not practice with Dark, because he is Rogue teammate, was a bummer. I am quite sure Dark would have prepared Maru against that Roach Ravager pressure style. Instead, I heard Maru was practicing against some EU Zerg (maybe Serral/Elazer/Reynor) and those guys almost never use Roach Ravager in their games, its LingBane all the way for them.
2:07:50 gliding drone
Ahahahahhaaha)
Thank you for this.
Wow, totally missed that. That drone looked happy.
BTW the zergling macro was crazy !!
just riding the waves
As the OG Stephano once said, "Just make hroaches."
The last few months it’s been Roaches and Queens Walking across the map, basically Stephano at the end of WoL, Back when they first added the actual range attack to Queens, rather than it being a dumb long range melee attack, and transfuse was a flat 100 health heal. At least the “Seoul Stroll” is a good name for it 😂
I was thinking exactly ab Stephano max roach timing push by the en of WoL..
Humiliation. I don't think THIS shaped up to be the best GSL final ever. Despite casters doing their best first three games were so one-sided it was painful to watch.
Agreed
Must say, Maru adapted too slowly, if he hadn’t drop 3 games, he wouldn’t be in such a vulnerable position. That slow
banelings taking out 22 scv in the last game was the final nail in the coffin.
I cant even believe that Maru the 4th race drop his first three games against roaches.
He went for planned strategies for every map I think, he didn't expect those timings.
He was chasing the mutas around, didnt catch it :(
Didnt react when banes swarmed his army later on either
Maru went pure marine against roaches for 3 games in a row. His builds were really weak, he just didn't seem right mentally.
damn i didnt think maru would get stomped this badly
Well, to be fair, Maru swept him at Katowice.
It's a boring series. No more back and forth nail biting games. Each game it's an overwhelming victory for one person. BORING
Maru looked really shaky this whole season imo. His marine spreads/etc looked pretty sloppy, seemed like he was second guessing himself a lot too. He should have lost to Trap, Trap basically threw three games then got cheesed.
@@defaultdefault3995 I think it's due to LotV economy model. It's stupid
@@KorewaKosmo sorry I’m not the most experienced star craft guy, what is lotv economy?
that game was something else. Also, heard rumors of how good the commentators are and damn are they good.
out of any e-sport ive watched i havnt seen a better caster team than tastosis
Tasteless and Artosis (Tastosis) is the best casting team I’ve ever seen. Both analysis and their banter is 100%
@@DxWiggins I still miss some Day9 thrown in :(
@@connormcgregor4578 hell I still miss husky
@@DxWiggins H2the Usky XD those were truly the golden years
I was pulling for Maru but gotta give credit to Rogue, that was a stomp.
@AfreecaTV eSports Please add 1-2hrs of blank video on the ends of vods pls
Plz
Atleast in the ro4 on
Impossible ask for a stream VOD on TH-cam. You can't expect them to stream into the void for 2 hours.
@@WuYixiang i would assume it's absolutely possible...
YES PLEASE add fillers to stop spoilers
To the lone blizzard intern who is responsible to balance this game. Keep it up buddy, you are doing a great job.
no! zerg still need infestor buff
is he though? I can think of 2-3 little tweaks at least.
@Long Pham nydus, vipers, tanks and ravens need some serious nerfs.
Rogue is playing at such a ultra high level. Life, the Zerg GOAT, was the last to reach such a pinnacle of excellence.
Life was very good and fun too watch. Too bad he went to jail for match fixing and paying people off to throw matches.
Oh, look at Maru's army AAAAND ITS GONE :[
from now on, I'm just making roaches. if rogue can do it, so can I :P
Watch out, though. Sometimes Terrans on ladder use smart builds.
Been doing that for years now and got a over 80% win rate VS terran, can confirm its good!
@AfreecaTV eSports Please add 1-2hrs of blank video on the ends of vods plz.
this
It would be awesome if they did but they won't because if people don't watch until the end of the video it messes up the youtube algorithm for video suggestions.
yeah spoils it when you see Rogue 3-1 and notice only 20 mins left in video... which presumably includes a trophy ceremony, so safe to say who won and viewing spoiled.
53:07
We stood at the edge of the worllllllllld
Seeeeeeeeeeeizzzze the STEAKKKKKKKKS
(Steaks!)
snakes*
seasoned steaks*
That game 4 gentleman's throw though
Yeah. He didn’t want Maru to look too bad
game 4 Rogue charity
I stayed home to watch it. Not sure this was a good game, but at least it was weird as hell.
it was a good game imo- i understand that producers probably want a close game, but in terms of pure stratergy and preperation Rogue smashed this. Never thought roach ravager complete army was anything more than for laddar.
@@royh8907 lol wut, this build order has been known since the beginning of time, rogue just executed extremely well
@@JustYahAverageJoe Yeah, 4 years now of roach ravager mainstreaness. Tastosis must be high
@@JacKThEREapER0 It's not like that. It's a stratergy that is not usualy the "main army" because it does not do well against higher tech unites. Roach ravager is considered to be a slightly "lesser skill" laddar army, Rogue pulled it off with such skill and smashed victory.
@@royh8907 And what does that have to do with the fact that it's old as shit?
53:33 start game 1
Watch Wings of Liberty in 2010.
Come back 11 years later.
"Oh wow, "marines, marauder medivac", vs roaches. I guess I didn't miss much."
Did I just watch Hyun possess Rogue for this finals? :P
Was thinking the same thing! Hyun shed a tear watching this.
Seemed like it, didn't it?
if maru was gonna put up that kinda performance he shouldve let trap play the finals that wouldve been a fun match.
Trap is a tactical pauser
Protoss has absolutely no chance against zerg and hasn't for years now.
looked like a massive mismatch, like as a kid when you wrestle your dad
The main issue is that terran can't produce fast enough to keep up with the constant wave attack of zerg. The second issue is that terran doesn't have strong enough unit tech in the early game to hold off the Roach Ravager frontal attacks. Mauraders are good, but not enough. If you notice the fights, terran consistently lacks an anchor point on which to hold his defences. I think this is definitely a strong zerg meta strategy, but perhaps if Terran had built planetaries at his third bases, he might have been able to fight around them, and thus he might have been able to protect his scv line better, thus allowing him to continue to max out. Basically Zerg played like a true zerg, using mass wave attacks and simple micro to grind the terran into dust. Pretty much the same strategy that the Soviets used against the Nazis. Amazing gameplay and strategy by Rogue for sure, although Maru's micro was nothing to laugh at either.
Check the fights where terran is winning (g4)
maru is intentionally constricting the field with buildings to create an advantageous position.
In so many of these engagements, zerg has a superior arc. It's mostly due to T playing to his tanks (which works great vs. ling) but when roaches get their ideal arc against marines, it's really rough.
As I am no expert,
please you expert guys tell me why maru didn't build a raven for the first three games.
Wouldn't anti armor missile shut this down? Or would it just be too much of an investement?
they never thought of it. they spend all their time learning how to click and push buttons with insane speed. it's like why boxers and fighters have coaches and strategists. they just punch, someone else needs to think for them.
Anti armor is a joke. There are reasons higher rank and pros dont use it, dont bother. Seeker missile use to keep mass strart in micro skill check. Now Raven is generally a low value unit.
@@hongkyang7107 ye. Thats why the pros use it all the time in TvT. Because its trash. /facepalm
Ill answer this:
Raven is a heavy gas investment and time out of the starport/techlab build time. 1 Raven is equivalent of 2 medivac/tanks. If it was just for that, your idea could work but the main problem come from Mana/radius. In most games, Rogue waited to be max to push, if he scout the raven, he can easily split his roach and only get 5-10 to get hit at most. (and he has like 30-10ravager at that point) You don't have 4 shots of anti-armor missile, you have 1 or 2 at most. If you hit 5 or less roaches/ravagers, you insta lose because the raven doesn't make up its cost and you need the DPS. If you hit 10(which you would have to be lucky and rogue not splitting), Rogue can easily just go back a bit with those and wait 10s and push again. It might save you a bit of time, but the problem against the build is an economy one. By pushing and doing a lot of economic damage, you prevent a 3rd base from ever going up while you have a 3rd of your own and a 4th on the way.
@@topperharley7142 ** against zerg and toss
Sorry I did not make that clear to you.
I want to see Rogue vs. Reynor. Two strong early game players.
Was thinking this the whole series. Rogue just copied Reynors style that won him IEM, would be an interesting matchup of roach queen all ins lol
I thought dark was the best roach player, and i just remember i never thought
roach need to be nerfed i think, makes mid game so boring. Protoss now hat voidray to deal with it but for terran is really hard. i still remembered last 2 year when all Z just have to mass roach, F2 A move to win games, if not...just trade roach and macro at home :)
@@tieptran3613 'roach needs to be nerfed' lmao
Give these roaches/ravagers to 85% players out there, and watch them being slaughtered by Terran MMM! Rogue is just uniquely strong with them...
I am kind of new to SC2 but how do you really counter this rush? I mean I heard the commentators mention a battclecrusier rush, but other than that would a few bunkers work too?
@@endefisto123 Well, you see Maru actually did hold that Roach Ravager push in game 2, then he just get bone-headed and move all of his Bio away leaving the Tanks completely defenseless. To defend this as Bio Terran, you need to delay the 3rd CC, get earlier Tanks production from the Factory, and set up a couple Bunkers in the front. Terran has been holding against this since the beginning of LOTV, Maru just get the rugged pull under his feet because he never expected Rogue to do this in consecutive games.
As for the BC-Mech, technically it should also counter this roach style because they dont shoot up, and BC can teleported over early to get quicker scout and delay the push by taking down drone, focing more Queens, Spores, ect..
I can rewatch it again and again. 60 banelings rolling. Priceless surprise face of Maru. Following zerglings CC hit&run. Thank you Rogue for this entertaining match!
2:15:36 "Rogue is exploding right now!" - amusing choice of words, considering what the widow mines do to rogue immediately after Artosis says this. XD
Not the result i was hoping for, but totally out classed by the winner. The banelings at the end were disgusting! LOVE IT!
For anyone else wondering, the song is " an ordinary extinction" by architects
Which one?
Love that content announcement for this year AfreecaTV is the bomb! Can't wait for 3 super tournaments. Also this GSL finals i'm about to watch!!! WOOOOOO GO MARU
terran players traumatized for life...
I feel like every zero finals is different variations of roach all ins
Balanced game ;)
It's not even an all in. A Zerg can recover from a roach rush 10 times easier than a Protoss can recover from a 2 base immortal sentry, or a terran can with a 2 base tank marine scv.
amazing production!, excellent content!, such an amazing S1. thanks AfreecaTV. congratulations to the champion!, such a beast!
Maru not in his top form. That already showed in the semis. Grats to Roguer Zerg Gamer for a anstonishing performance. Beast mode in macro, micro and decisinmaking
This reminded me of Hyun many years ago when he would overpower opponents with roaches.
GG's - thank you for casting the season!
These are the finals that assure us all that the action is not scripted, it is, indeed, as real as it gets.
This looked like a C day of ladder games from Maru and a carefully choreographed coffin dance from Rogue.
The 64 banes rolling in, what a nightmare 😂
What a great series. And a great GSL. Thanks GSL 👍
Nice! Thank you AfreecaTV!
when is next asl vid?
LOL and we aren't getting any patches anymore, amazing
Better learn mech openers :D
@@patrickpy1222 maru forgot to build the marauder part of mmm, he went pure marine for some reason
love how the music changes after first blood
Normal TV: skipping Ads
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The length of the video spoils the result halfway in! Can't you start to add some length without content after the match to avoid this?
Rouge is getting better and better and better
Please make the vids longer with black screen or whatever so its not obvious who is winning the tournament after 3 games
This
This was the best macro zwerg i have seen since serral was at his best!
More Bases, more workers, more army (yeah not the best, but enough mass) and even in upgrades.
Great zerg play rouge :)
The action starts at: 48:45
gettin hyped up for best GSL finals ever and then it is this shit ...
so now roach/ravager will become the new meta in TvZ instead of zerg/baneling style?
Careful of the two base timing as well. Best method is to get in early harass for a bit of scouting and slow down the max out and switch to marauders + Medivacs for the first push. More gas friendly than tanks for close battles.
glad its evolving at least
@@lamalien2276 Ling muta has been the least interesting to watch after i started to look at SC2 again. Same basic movements and tempo
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
bUfF tErRaN
yeah same glad i didnt stay home for this and just watched after work damn what a gay play from rogue
@@TonkoRockets Agreed. I wish Maru figured it out quicker. Almost looked like soO playing the way he leaned into the roach ravager so hard.
you mirrored my sentiments exactly :( *sigh*...
Woooh that laser show!!!
Rogue pulled a Dark, even better than Dark does.
Soooo how do you stop roach ravager?
Hour of b.s. before the game begins and then they cut the first 20 seconds? This could have been edited way better
Damn. That was a thrashing. Rogue took it old school. Get huge quick and smash.
Very glad and feeling hopeful with the final state of the game; it's super cool that the balance team abandonned their game like this 🙃
@@lowaimnobrain for the past 3 years zergs have won as many premier tournaments as terrans and protoss combined. Nice try at gaslighting though
The really sad part is that the balance team wanted to keep working on the game but Blizzard/Activision didn't wanna fund it so they had to stop:/
@@sage4670
Zerg was OP for a little too long, for the better part of 2019 and early-mid 2020. Now that's fixed. Recent GSL/GSL ST results prove that.
is zerg imba?!
Terran is imba, Zergs are a bit bellow.
TY really has too much time on his hands, well, at least he is quite laidback about going to the army
I find GSL finals more often than not, to be disappointing.
11 years of bops
Ggs. God damn, do I love the TvZ matchup.
Its so insanely annoying to get run over by roach ravager. Shame Maru didn't go banshee like Inno
slow trickle of damage=inevitable loss
Maru was shamed away from using 2 rax by Rogue in the video before. He should have opened the first game with a 2 rax to fry Rogue's nerves.
not enough money and time . you see zerg max production at 8 min , while maru has only 13x-14x and 60 drone vs 40 scv . how can he stand against rouge with every single strike . beside that he need marine also for raid and defend zergling.
2:14:58 I want to see Artosis real reaction if he was in maru's position playing online lol
You wouldn't hear the end of it😂
@@waqarkhan1325 obviously you never watched any clips of artosis play I presume. Ha~
@D's Real Reviews yeah I know u definitely saw the clips.... Mr. Khan should definitely check it out too =D
Really not fun to watch a player use the exact same build and playstyle over and over again and crush his opponent.....
Well that’s on Maru, you’d expect a player of his caliber to adapt to it. I don’t think he was at top form this time, made a lot of misplays
@@peterk2735 Kinda true, kinda not
We are not talking about you and me who are bad at this game
The pressure by roach-ravager is
1-- Efficient
2.- Consistent
3.- Reliable
4.- Flexible
The only reason he lost was because 1 echange was awfull...not "decent" o respectable
@@peterk2735 he literally did three different builds the first three games, what are you talking about
Interestingly enough, Roach Ravager fell out of favor exactly because top micro guys like Maru were so good at defending it. Rogue figured something out and Maru just wasn't at the top of his game.
@@sebastianpalominos3706 The reason Maru lost is because he wasn't on his game. Maru 3-0 Rogue at IEM earlier this year defending this zerg build order.
We stand at the edge of world, SEIZE THE SNAKES
Bien por Rogue, imparable! Merecido campeón.
Maru no estuvo a la altura de la final, su nivel estuvo bajo, que raro 🤔.
Seguro que Trap lo Hubiera hecho mejor, lástima.
Felicitaciones Rogue 👏🏻
one overlord micro away from making this a 4-0
Game 1 53:17
Game 2 1:06:58
Game 3 1:32:09
Game 4 1:49:40
Game 5 2:05:47
Game 6 2:25:24
Game 7 2:43:21
why didnt maru try battlecruiser open?
never thought of it
Queens.
Maru lookes SO tired in these matches.
He looks exhausted. He did not prepare well enough.
its exhausting waking up every day as a Terran
Yeah he didn’t seem to be in his best form.
One of the best macro terran out there, have medivac, tanks, marines and marauders and get killed by roach ravager. These games where just stupid and lame. Rogue was afraid to go late game.
@@alexandrelachance77 In case you missed it, Maru had incredibly fast drilling claws and had some terrifying pushes to end the game early. We simply did not get to late game because Maru was not able to defend (aside from that 1 game that he actually did). Slow banes wrecking 22 scvs? How can you even blame Rogue for that?
Damn, what a spanking.... tbh I was kinda expecting it, felt like rogue was the clear favorite but still that was a pretty perfect series from him. Congrats to Rogue!
I expected it too. Not because he is that better. It's because zerg is an OP race.
@@Iosif-Bitie-glava.37.stih.17 Zerg is OP now. They've always been the easiest race to play.
@@Iosif-Bitie-glava.37.stih.17 Literally only rogue can do this shut the fuck up (dark completely fails at it for instance)
@@Abayake It's an OP a-move/attack race and I was sure of this result as soon as I saw Rogue form in this tournament (which is below 80% ). He dominates other tournaments in top form and can only be challenged by another zerg (Dark (in top form), Serral, Raynor). No other player/race has even a REMOTE chance of winning.
@@Iosif-Bitie-glava.37.stih.17 Whine less and get better so you can understand the mind games and difficulty of what he did maybe? If you think this is just a-move you’re just plain old stupid (which might be why you’re bad at the game)
this is the beauty of SC2, just like that tvz meta will change on the ladder = )
SPOILERS!
Between the first 3 games vs. Trap and the 4 wins Rogue had here, Maru has proven to be predictable and uncreative. Maru will probably go down as one of the greatest mechanical players of all time, but IMO, his former teammates have shown during this GSL that there is something inherently missing from his games.
He is a bit like Inno in that regard. Soo was also another teammate, who countered Maru hard and threw him out of a WCS. Forgot the year, but it was the year, when Maru dominated all GSLs and was top favourite to be the next worlchampion. And then he proxyraxed 3 times vs Soo and Soo hardcountered it 3 times and kicked him out of the tourny.
Or maybe, he just got famous coz he did proxy all the time and won with it. But after ppl figured it out, hasnt been going that well?
@@Daniel-rd6st it was SoS, not Soo
@@sidundead13 You are right! I keep mixing up those two.
I'm revisiting after I started playing zerg, and I'm just mind boggled at how Rogue keeps breaking tank lines with roach ravagers like it's nobody's business.
Game starts at 53:18 btw for anyone who cares to know
Every time Rogue plays some finals it is so one-sided... I thought Maru would win.
Thanks!
I was rooting for Maru but Rogue was just a total monster. He deserved the win
Well... At least the round of 4 was exciting
lol i guess you're not stimulated by seeing 60 banes from the best player evaporate the other best player.
the hype guy in the pre match interview had me floored
1:11:22 wow, HuskyStarcraft flashback...
The last funny bit he did before deleting his channel
screw that ungrateful animal
@@kalee6 What did he do? I haven't heard that name since WoL beta.
@@GetterRay I can write a short essay regarding this but I will make it really short. Husky stopped posting videos out of the blue without saying anything. He never said he was going to stop doing TH-cam and he never said thank you to his subscribers. Years later, he suddenly appeared to the public as a supporting role for his girlfriend who was a successful youtuber. On her channel, Husky made a video on reading the comments in his last video since a lot of those comments were about how disappointed they were because Husky just left them hanging dry. Most of these comments were logical explaining how Husky’s actions were ungrateful towards his viewers and how he wasn’t that great at handling the situation. What Husky did was on his reaction video: he purposely chose only the comments that insulted Husky in a very immature way. He portrayed as if all of his disgruntled viewers were acting like them and were hating on Husky for no good reason. Husky continuously mocked the viewers as a whole. Husky never apologized or thanked towards the viewers for his actions but he had the audacity to mock them. He later explained that he had problems with his voice so he stopped doing TH-cam, but that doesn’t explain how he couldn’t tell his viewers when he stopped doing TH-cam and just hide from his viewers.
@@kalee6 thanks for the context
Did I really have to fast forward through 55 freaking minutes of this video to get to the first game?
Is it so hard to click 2-3 times with a mouse?
@@amai2307 That's what I did.
Thanks to my coach Stephano.