For me, I unintentionally started the Howard mission after Peter got rid of the black suit and the sky was in a beautiful sunset time of day and it was just so peak
I did it after Peter starts looking for Harry, I needed something to cheer me up but instead I was so sad after it 😭 (Also fun fact that beautiful sunset time you’re talking about is usually referred to as Golden Hour :D )
I loved the robot dog mission. I started it right after Pete gets rid of the black suit & it felt like he was trying to redeem himself for how he was acting before and made it all the better
Thank you for actually pointing out the problems with the date quest for Miles. So many people were on either side of the spectrum with total celebration of Miles supporting a gay couple and the other side of "why did they force this so heavily?" So it was nice to hear a mention of the problems with the quest
I won't lie, i was concerned it would be either entirely about the fact that it was gay (whether in a positive light or not) but you did it perfectly, you didn't even acknowledge it which is honestly perfect for both sides
Gay people being acknowledged at all and not a total fucking easter egg will always be perceived as forced by these types of peope. Something straights never really had to worry about like ever. So yeah whenever people make that complaint, raise crimson flags.
In defence of Prowler Stashes - story wise, they were meant to finish before the end of Act 1, when Miles is still on his edgy revenge state. So, I would put it on Almost... tier. Also, I would put Rooftop Fireworks on whatever tier. Other than these two, I completely solidarity with this ranking!
I think it would be cool if there were side missions that required both of the Spider-Men like your pitch for the dynamic duo missions in the Arkham Bonds video.
I actually really liked the EMF missions because of the end. I never touched them during the story so Harry's grievances over EMF not working out in the finale hit hard. It felt really satisfying doing those missions postgame and listening to Harry's final message, it was almost like Peter finally got time to see how he and Harry's dream would have turned out and tried to redeem himself for his guilt over how he treated Harry.
I did the Howard quest right after Peter got the black suit. When Howard died it felt like that was the last straw that had prevented the black suit from influencing Peter.
Honestly, I think senior prank would’ve been more interesting if it was reveal at the end, that a kid from Miles school was framing Midtown. After all, even if Miles‘s school is beating them in competitions, Midtown students are supposed to be smart, right? Why would they leave messages specifically in criminalizing themselves? Seeing as they set up the fact of the students at Miles’s are a bit self-absorbed, how about habit that Midtown finally beat them at some so the student tried ruining their reputation by framing them for theft Now I’ll admit I don’t know anything about these two schools in the comics apart from the fact, Peter and Miles went to them. For all I know they could be real schools I have never been to New York. Looking at a purely from a storytelling standpoint, I think that would’ve been a neat direction to take it in.
the flame side quest was so awesome. my only complaint with how they handled wraith was that i see her way more than miles in free roam. kinda wish she was more rare to find
I hated the homecoming date sidequest. You mean to tell me you are struggling asking someone you're ALREADY DATING to homecoming? And you want me, Spiderman, to jump through hoops to help you and your annoying voice? This is something you ask a tech wiz friend to help with. Not spiderman. None of them and the kidnapped mascot sidequest. It was a nice puzzle. But then i realized the mascot that was kidnapped was just an empty suit. I thought some insane riddler wannabe kidnapped a man. Man, i hate school spirit. Love all the other side missions though.
I personally loved seeing Wraith in this game, I do feel like her vigilante outfit will have a much bigger upgrade in the future. Also interacting with her during free-roam crimes is super fun, especially playing as Miles since we've never seen Miles interact with Yuri. I'd love to see a DLC between Miles and Yuri.
I genuinely thought the single best part of the game was teaming up with Yuri or Harry in random crimes. It made me wish there were more 'Spidey-Friends' patrolling around New York during the game.
The emojis in the Hailey mission didn’t make her seem childish to me? Honestly it did the opposite making her be able to recognize people’s moods by their faces and so what if they add a little face to it?
I really liked them! I thought it fit Hailey’s personality since she’s always very bubbly and kind, so the emojis only aided in understanding how she perceives and experiences the world.
I personally am very excited for what Chameleon's story line has in store. In a way it feels like a second attempt at the Hush storyline from the Arkham Series so I hope it actually has a significant follow up.
When I first started the Howard mission, I thought it was kinda cheesy, but as I led those birds around the city, I realized just how meaningful that action was. Those birds loved Howard enough to follow his instructions and leave with a stranger. (I know Peter caught them in the fist game, so they are familiar with him, but they don’t actually know him, they only interacted for a very short amount of time). Perhaps they even knew he was going to die. So by the time I dropped the birds off at their new home, I was fully sold on the emotions the game was trying to convey.
Its both. Peter had no agency in his story and is just dragged along by the plot. Miles is just sidelined unless he has to show up Peter. This game is a MESS
@@no.1spidey-fan182 miles is literally the role that Peter is taking at the end of the game only there when times get tuff and Peter got miles captured forcing him to be in the karven story line
I think the difference imo is Peter is generally weaker and not the force of Justice he was in the first game. Like he’s clearly weaker than before and I know why but it’s so weird. In terms of the plot he carries the plot so hard As for Miles…yes he’s super sidelined in the story. For majority of the main story he appears for all of 10 minutes to either help a character he has no connection with (Felicia) or just introduce a new side quest (mysterium, drone chase, music store etc.) his arc is underbaked and it doesn’t feel earned at all with how little he’s in the main story: after I got the black suit, I barely touched Miles, not because I didn’t like playing as him, but the game gave me no reason to play as him when his story quests are short and irrelevant and his arc couldn’t be more undercooked
@@jessec.6876 generally struggling in 2 more than he ever did in 1. In the first game Peter 2v1’d vulture and electro and won. He also 2v1’d rhino and scorpion. He did all this under little rest then proceeded to beat mister negative and then he got badly injured by doc ock, dragged himself up, made a new suit and beat doc ock In the MM spinoff he gets his ass kicked by rhino…a villain he beat before in a 2v1 In SM2 he needs to be constantly saved, he gets almost killed by sandman where Miles has to save him, despite in the past beating sandman by himself. He gets overpowered in seconds by kraven and dies in 1 stab. After he gets the symbiote he’s pretty consistently top level but before he’s not pulling the insane things he did in the first game. He was definitely nerfed so it felt like him and Miles were more of a team
Okay, think about it... Carnage DLC drops. Cletus Kassady dons the symbiote, but due to the effects that fire have towards symbiotes, he is extremely enraged that his relationship to the Flame is tarnished. The symbiote takes control of his rage and chaotic mindset, and you have to use his own beliefs against him, using fire based means to eliminate one of the deadliest symbiotes in Marvel history. THAT is a DLC I'll certainly pay for.
As a platinum holder of all 3 Spider-Man games, I absolutely loved Spider-Man 2, the side quests were enjoyable, the collectibles weren't too hard to find, and the suits were okay. (Except for the *Sponsored Segment* suit) Overall I'd rate it 9/10
Even tho I love MSM2 so much, The Infamous Second Son spray painting was much better, I had it on PS4 but now on PS5 I dont bother trying it anymore, MSM2 is faster and better imo
I disagree with the Mysterio one. Thought the missions were generic and bland. The challenges in the first game were more memorable and a lot harder. The boss fight at the end was also brain dead easy. He never felt like a big bad villain at any point to me. It was just kinda there for me. Mediocre at best.
This is a great list. For me personally, the mysterio missions were kinda boring and the only real redeeming part of them was the final mission and the suit you get from it. I also appreciate the stance on the BV missions, as the amount of straight up wasted potential was sad.
I think the thing that carries Mysterio's missions is Mysterio. While it's otherwise just a generic wave-based arena with a few gimmicky objectives, the style and ongoing story about Quentin trying to turn over a new leaf (things like him refusing to use the Mysterio name or trying to rationalise collecting people's private data helped flesh him out in an interesting way) are what carried those missions for me.
In Miles Morales I completely ignored the Prowler missions because that sound mechanic was just so annoying. At least here it was passable. One thing that I found rather dumb was the air vent with the lasers, because you find the stash at the end near an exit that's easily accessible and doesn't have any obstacles. I agree with most rankings but I have to say the Mysteriums were a little disappointing. I wished it had more variety other than just combat missions. I like the time trial traversal missions from the first game and missed those
I agree with the majority of your rankings, but I have to say, I really enjoyed collecting the Spider-Bots. Sure, they were just kind of a mass collectible, but I’m a huge fan of the Spider-Verse comic series. I loved looking at the different Spider-Bots, and trying to figure out which version they were before picking them up. The end scene was a pretty big letdown though. I’ve read almost all of the Spider-Verse comics, and I have no clue who the heck that lady was either.
@@Shahzadan Wait, really? They chose some random character that never even made into the movie to make a cameo in the game. Even if she had been put in the movie, it would have been so much better to see Miguel, or even Lyla. Also, thanks. I had no clue she even existed.
Cletus stole the show. I have a huge bias because I absolutely love Carnage though. The dark and creepy atmosphere is so cool and I can’t wait for Carnage to arrive in dlc.
9:00 I predicted it during my first time and was so freaking sad when he suddenly hung up, i obviously feared the worst and i hate that i was right. 😢 Idk why they were cooking that good for some of those missions.
Quick heads up regarding the Spider-Bots collection quest. Delilah was a character that was planned for, but scrapped from, Across the Spider-Verse, but Insomniac didn't have the time to remove or replace her with another character.
The howard misson hit hard to me, the fact that he talked about his wife and hinting at him not being suited to watch his pidgeons made me almost cry a little.
Just wish we had more side quests in which it wrapped up with a cool boss battle. Considering how lore rich the spiderverse is, just wished we had a few more is all...
I didn’t want howard to die, man you got one of the best side character dying off while you fly his pets home with the most perfect music. Howard didn’t deserve to die, but he deserved the way they sent him off
For the Haley mission, there was a missed opportunity to make some sort of actual “puzzle” where the player has to translate American Sign Language into English to solve. Example could be she runs into someone who’s learning ASL and they want to practice it so they sign three things and as the player (pulling a page from Uncharted) we pull out Haley’s notebook that shows a couple hand signs to decipher what they’re saying. Granted, this requires player dissonance since Haley would know her own language by heart and she wouldn’t need to carry a notebook. Notebook would be for the player. That said, some deaf don’t learn ASL from day one. Maybe she learned in recent years or she carries it for other people that care to communicate with her in her language. Couple of holes in this suggestion but i was just spitballing. Point is, puzzle element with her language. Insomniac seem to care a lot about inclusion. If they wanted to put us in her shoes, focus on how she communicates maybe???
@@TheSpectacularSpooderMon side missions often have puzzles. Puzzles come in many forms. Could be as simple as matching two or three hand signs to 2 or 3 words. Das it
I wish I could agree with you on the Sandman missions. I want to love them. But the repetition, anticlimactic final mission and lack of closure of the conclusion bring it down for me. I think the final mission should have been something more than just fighting waves of the same goon you've been fighting and the conclusion afterward given Marko justice for what was done to him. You just placing the crystal statue on his ex's doorstep without explaining shit to his daughter doesn't do it for me. I wanted to see more of Marko physically in the game and we only got a first appearance from him and a phone call. He deserved so much better.
As a player of the game. I got to say i loved the Howard mission. Howard finally living in peace with his wife was an amazing concept idea and traversing alongside the pigeons was amazing definitely with the music in the background with Peters dialogue with the pigeons while the boats are sailing on the water. Loved this mission. R.I.P. Howard.
It’s really frustrating how much this game starts side missions with Miles’ main missions. They didn’t think through Miles’ inclusion in the main story, to the point that they just started most sidequests off with him so they could pretend they knew what they were doing with him. Wish they gave him more involvement in the story, this game really needed more time in the oven to balance the Venom and Kraven storylines with two Spidey’s lives. On top of the half-baked Venom plotline. Still an incredible game gameplay wise but Miles and Venom deserved way better than the story gave.
I agree with a lot of these rankings, for the most part, and I will admit that I was at first blinded by the creative aspects of the Hailey mission when it came to how everything was muffled that I only saw it’s shortcomings later. I do agree that the Flame side missions were the best of them all, especially with how it set up Carnage. I wonder if the reason they had Peter keep the Anti-Venom Symbiote was for the express purpose of using it to beat Carnage in a later DLC or the next game. As for Delilah (I hope I’m spelling that right), she was actually supposed to be Across the Spider-Verse but was ultimately cut from the movie. I think she was suppose to run some sort of multidimensional bar or something where she was like a shoulder for Spot to cry on and encourage him to be the Villain he ends up becoming, but I could be wrong.
I hate all the woke shit in the game. Why can't they make a game without politics if you wanna make something political, at least make it connect to the story just don't put it there for brownie points and this goes for both left and right games do not need to be political unless it's relevant to the game
I liked the music museum mission but I knew who would be the bad guy from the start because there was only one white guy in the whole mission and I knew they wouldn’t make a black character a villain. Darren was fun but way too obvious.😅
I just feel like this game and it’s side missions really didn’t do anything innovative. The bike riding is the biggest new gameplay mechanic that isn’t just new moves for the spider-men. Like Brooklyn visions could’ve been fun but they’re just you swinging around the city every time. Idk what I was hoping for or expecting, but most of the side missions just fell flat for me
I totally feel that. I think Insomniac's open world design has been criticized a lot since the game came out and to me the biggest problem is the lack of depth in their side activities. It's NYC, there's only so much one can do with designing the world. I think if this game had like 5 really killer side missions, criticisms of the world would be far more muted. Unfortunately, it feels like they only really cared about 1... maybe 2
@@GameDenColor imo even the ones like Wraith that they put effort into felt like the mid side missions from the first game. Other than the last mysterio mission nothing stood out to me as much as the first game. It just feels like they have a formula now and they’re playing it extremely safe
I reeeallly like the robot dog mission more than it deserves idk there’s just something about this lady being blind AND allergic to dogs so they can’t get a guide just being such a Spider-Man universe level fuck you from god degree of bad luck and I loved seeing her get such an outlandish solution to her problem in a way that makes perfect sense given the logic of the game world; gankes done more ex machina things then reprogram a robot dog with TH-cam videos
In hindsight, I really appreciate the risk they took with Graffiti Trouble and how you literally felt the world around you with the haptics, but it was definitely flawed in the gameplay department and could’ve been fleshed out better. Thank you for being one of the very few to actually critique it without crying “woke” or anything like that.
Miles: **yawns** Good morning my dear city! **checks phone** Anonymous: Looking good this red suit! Ganke: Come to the place! Hailey: **voicemail** Rio: Call me back!!! Miles: Hm. Aight. At his house Miles: Hey Mrs. Watanabe! How's it going? Wraith: Kid you still don't know right? Miles: **sighs deeply** Hailey: (Miles. Um. What you remember yesterday?) Miles: I just cured out Norman, got home and got to bed. Hailey: (Oh Miles. You're not being you.) Hailey: (The suit is changing you.) Miles: And the suit is the reason that you're not crying in my grave! Wraith: Yeah that's real great huh? Miles: Why don't ya get more wine 'til you fall in the floor! Hailey: (Hey! Don't.) Miles: I'm busting the SH*T out of it trying to save you and *THIS* is my reward?! Hailey: (I said "don't!") Miles: What does your commission was about?! Hailey: (I tried to talk about tha-) Miles: Yeah but didn't huh? Hailey: (I can't lose the degree Miles!) Miles: Your degree is to draw the truth! Hailey: (And I did wrote the) AH! Miles: **slaps Hailey** THE TRUTH IS THAT *I'M* THE HERO OF THIS CR4P AND I DON'T NEED YOUR HELP!! Hailey: **pants in fear**
@@mrmelonman2893 he’s literally hates on the mission cause you can play a as black girl and hates the home coming mission because you help an gay couple. I bet if the couple was straight he would have said better things just sad man don’t matter the game is still great regardless of his opinion
I liked the actual finding and collecting of the Spider-Bots, but the ending didn’t land for me. I spent up to, like, the last 5 or so bots guessing which comic character/group would have made and dispersed all of them, then got really deflated when it all clicked. I’m just honestly so tired of multiverse-this, multiverse-that these days, and this mission suffered for me because of it. I love the Spider-Verse films, and will probably go see Beyond, but the effect they’ve had on media-especially outside of Spider-Man-has been exhausting.
I disagree wholeheartedly on Harold. This story’s premise is completely dependent on some mysterious ailment that kills Harold on command when the mission ends. This is just baaaad writing. Especially seeing how easy it would have been to spin off the story from a crime where Harold gets assaulted and eventually succumbs. It would perfectly marry Spider-Guilt with a last wish and make everything much more cohesive and impactful.
Man I just did the Brooklyn visions lights camera action mission and I hate it still! This being my third time playing it, I can’t help but feel Miles should tell this kid to F off. He clearly just wanted him to do his work for him. Bugged the crap outta me
Personally, I loved the homecoming date mission - it was cool to help Lucas (who has a very similar name to my ex lol) ask his bf out. Made me feel good to see the queer representation. I see why you disliked it for the gameplay tho
My favorite part about the mission where Peter meet JJ is that the photo he gives him is the same picture that’s in the cover of the very first Spidey comic. I love Easter eggs like that
I don’t think the whole jazz history thing deserved to be in healing the world over grandpa mission. If the grandpa mission moved ppl to tears that says something
The depiction of Cletus Cassidy was up there with Kraven and Venom for me. The gameplay also has dual-team capabilities that I forgot to mention which gives it a little extra oomph. It's my favorite of the game and the most like the Arkham series villain-centric side missions which are pretty much the gold standard as far as I'm concerned
Also, I think Delila from the spiderbot mission may be this universe’s Lyla, the one from the movie. The names are very similar. Maybe Lyla is short for Delila?
I am so glad someone agrees with me on the bebop missions being preachy that isnt being incredibly racist and "anti woke" a great side quest that despite agreeability gets a little cringe and on the nose.
You know the worst part about this is is that how rare it is nowadays No one wants to just say hey this is preachy and that's it No everyone has to be full hulk either fully Anti woke or believe it's the best thing since sliced bread What is with the internet
I don’t blame Miles for being on Aaron, Aaron is partly responsible for Phins death after he lied to his face saying he was gonna help Miles. Even though he didn’t mean it, he could have also had Roxxon nearly kill him. Then the mf kidnaps Miles and locks him up after all that he’s done. I think Miles’s mistrust in Aaron is warranted
A quest-line I think could be cool would be one that introduces Hobie Brown’s Prowler. A new Prowler shows up and Miles (or Peter) has to figure out who they are as they commit heists.
this dude is like an art critic for video games. the emojis during the Hailey side mission dont have an ulterior motive of talking down to the player, its just an artistic choice for the character who is literally an artist that has to text to communicate
I don't think there's a sinister ulterior motive, it's a criticism of their decision. If it was legitimately art and not cheap, child-like emojis I would feel much differently
10:41 This is what happens though. Atleast for some of them, when you complete it with stealth only the second wave doesnt come out. Maybe they patched this because I'e been playing it recently so I dont know
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Hey apparently Delilah was supposed to be in the movie but it got cut before the could say anything to insomniac
For me, I unintentionally started the Howard mission after Peter got rid of the black suit and the sky was in a beautiful sunset time of day and it was just so peak
It was the last thing I did before 100% best way to send off the game
I did it after Peter starts looking for Harry, I needed something to cheer me up but instead I was so sad after it 😭
(Also fun fact that beautiful sunset time you’re talking about is usually referred to as Golden Hour :D )
omg sames ❤
@@randompotato7932nah aunt may is the way you should but hes good
@@timechanger6679damn
I loved the robot dog mission. I started it right after Pete gets rid of the black suit & it felt like he was trying to redeem himself for how he was acting before and made it all the better
Thank you for actually pointing out the problems with the date quest for Miles. So many people were on either side of the spectrum with total celebration of Miles supporting a gay couple and the other side of "why did they force this so heavily?" So it was nice to hear a mention of the problems with the quest
I appreciate that, I try not to get into any of that nonsense since I have no interest in feeding an infinite loop of crapola
I won't lie, i was concerned it would be either entirely about the fact that it was gay (whether in a positive light or not) but you did it perfectly, you didn't even acknowledge it which is honestly perfect for both sides
Bruh
@@xman143true and it probably was
Gay people being acknowledged at all and not a total fucking easter egg will always be perceived as forced by these types of peope.
Something straights never really had to worry about like ever.
So yeah whenever people make that complaint, raise crimson flags.
In defence of Prowler Stashes - story wise, they were meant to finish before the end of Act 1, when Miles is still on his edgy revenge state. So, I would put it on Almost... tier. Also, I would put Rooftop Fireworks on whatever tier. Other than these two, I completely solidarity with this ranking!
That makes sense for the Prowler Stashes, but I'm curious about where you got that information from. Is there a source you can share?
@@GameDenColorI assume the reasoning behind the stance for the prowler starches is the way that miles acts through out the ending cut scene.
The Howard side mission got me.
Me too
I think it would be cool if there were side missions that required both of the Spider-Men like your pitch for the dynamic duo missions in the Arkham Bonds video.
Agreed
@@GameDenColorcould you actually pitch some of those type of side missions for this game?
@@GameDenColor could you?
I actually really liked the EMF missions because of the end. I never touched them during the story so Harry's grievances over EMF not working out in the finale hit hard. It felt really satisfying doing those missions postgame and listening to Harry's final message, it was almost like Peter finally got time to see how he and Harry's dream would have turned out and tried to redeem himself for his guilt over how he treated Harry.
I did the Howard quest right after Peter got the black suit. When Howard died it felt like that was the last straw that had prevented the black suit from influencing Peter.
Honestly, I think senior prank would’ve been more interesting if it was reveal at the end, that a kid from Miles school was framing Midtown. After all, even if Miles‘s school is beating them in competitions, Midtown students are supposed to be smart, right? Why would they leave messages specifically in criminalizing themselves? Seeing as they set up the fact of the students at Miles’s are a bit self-absorbed, how about habit that Midtown finally beat them at some so the student tried ruining their reputation by framing them for theft
Now I’ll admit I don’t know anything about these two schools in the comics apart from the fact, Peter and Miles went to them. For all I know they could be real schools I have never been to New York. Looking at a purely from a storytelling standpoint, I think that would’ve been a neat direction to take it in.
That's a great idea. Actually have some story to tell rather than "rival school bad, my school perfect"
the flame side quest was so awesome. my only complaint with how they handled wraith was that i see her way more than miles in free roam. kinda wish she was more rare to find
I hated the homecoming date sidequest. You mean to tell me you are struggling asking someone you're ALREADY DATING to homecoming? And you want me, Spiderman, to jump through hoops to help you and your annoying voice? This is something you ask a tech wiz friend to help with. Not spiderman. None of them
and the kidnapped mascot sidequest. It was a nice puzzle. But then i realized the mascot that was kidnapped was just an empty suit. I thought some insane riddler wannabe kidnapped a man. Man, i hate school spirit. Love all the other side missions though.
that's what I'm sayin', the homecoming date was (respectfully) unnecessary imo
I personally loved seeing Wraith in this game, I do feel like her vigilante outfit will have a much bigger upgrade in the future. Also interacting with her during free-roam crimes is super fun, especially playing as Miles since we've never seen Miles interact with Yuri. I'd love to see a DLC between Miles and Yuri.
I genuinely thought the single best part of the game was teaming up with Yuri or Harry in random crimes. It made me wish there were more 'Spidey-Friends' patrolling around New York during the game.
@@nrnrn999 miles interact with Black Cat and Wraith are my favorite moments from Spiderman 2
I hope Yuri’s hair grows back soon.
@@TheeBlaclbadgerfan15 I think her haircut in this game looks good, but I could see her hair grow back to
@@TheeBlaclbadgerfan15 nah, she looks like Zhang Weili. I'm cool with it.
The emojis in the Hailey mission didn’t make her seem childish to me? Honestly it did the opposite making her be able to recognize people’s moods by their faces and so what if they add a little face to it?
I thought they were meant to mimic her graffiti art and I liked them
I really liked them! I thought it fit Hailey’s personality since she’s always very bubbly and kind, so the emojis only aided in understanding how she perceives and experiences the world.
Yeah I thought it was cute in like the best way possible
I thought the emojis made it feel more like old Comics
I personally am very excited for what Chameleon's story line has in store. In a way it feels like a second attempt at the Hush storyline from the Arkham Series so I hope it actually has a significant follow up.
When I first started the Howard mission, I thought it was kinda cheesy, but as I led those birds around the city, I realized just how meaningful that action was.
Those birds loved Howard enough to follow his instructions and leave with a stranger. (I know Peter caught them in the fist game, so they are familiar with him, but they don’t actually know him, they only interacted for a very short amount of time). Perhaps they even knew he was going to die. So by the time I dropped the birds off at their new home, I was fully sold on the emotions the game was trying to convey.
My problem with the game everyone said Peter is sidelined when in reality miles was the one sidelined, which is about 20% of the game
Its both. Peter had no agency in his story and is just dragged along by the plot. Miles is just sidelined unless he has to show up Peter. This game is a MESS
@@no.1spidey-fan182 miles is literally the role that Peter is taking at the end of the game only there when times get tuff and Peter got miles captured forcing him to be in the karven story line
I think the difference imo is Peter is generally weaker and not the force of Justice he was in the first game. Like he’s clearly weaker than before and I know why but it’s so weird. In terms of the plot he carries the plot so hard
As for Miles…yes he’s super sidelined in the story. For majority of the main story he appears for all of 10 minutes to either help a character he has no connection with (Felicia) or just introduce a new side quest (mysterium, drone chase, music store etc.) his arc is underbaked and it doesn’t feel earned at all with how little he’s in the main story: after I got the black suit, I barely touched Miles, not because I didn’t like playing as him, but the game gave me no reason to play as him when his story quests are short and irrelevant and his arc couldn’t be more undercooked
@@jlit5215 In what way is peter weaker?
@@jessec.6876 generally struggling in 2 more than he ever did in 1. In the first game Peter 2v1’d vulture and electro and won. He also 2v1’d rhino and scorpion. He did all this under little rest then proceeded to beat mister negative and then he got badly injured by doc ock, dragged himself up, made a new suit and beat doc ock
In the MM spinoff he gets his ass kicked by rhino…a villain he beat before in a 2v1
In SM2 he needs to be constantly saved, he gets almost killed by sandman where Miles has to save him, despite in the past beating sandman by himself. He gets overpowered in seconds by kraven and dies in 1 stab. After he gets the symbiote he’s pretty consistently top level but before he’s not pulling the insane things he did in the first game. He was definitely nerfed so it felt like him and Miles were more of a team
Okay, think about it...
Carnage DLC drops. Cletus Kassady dons the symbiote, but due to the effects that fire have towards symbiotes, he is extremely enraged that his relationship to the Flame is tarnished. The symbiote takes control of his rage and chaotic mindset, and you have to use his own beliefs against him, using fire based means to eliminate one of the deadliest symbiotes in Marvel history.
THAT is a DLC I'll certainly pay for.
Insomniac symbiotes aren’t weak to fire
The problem is they’d have to retcon that Insomniac’s Symbiotes specifically are resistant to fire, not weak.
It's like in Venom 2 when his girlfriend hurts his symbiote
(17:09) He just accidentally walked by the Chameleon, or at least the person he was disguised as in his mission
Whoa! Good eyes.
As a platinum holder of all 3 Spider-Man games, I absolutely loved Spider-Man 2, the side quests were enjoyable, the collectibles weren't too hard to find, and the suits were okay. (Except for the *Sponsored Segment* suit) Overall I'd rate it 9/10
I lost my grandpa to dementia last year. Find Grandpa got me bad when I played it. This and Howard brought tears out of me when I least expected it.
Even tho I love MSM2 so much, The Infamous Second Son spray painting was much better, I had it on PS4 but now on PS5 I dont bother trying it anymore, MSM2 is faster and better imo
You can get it on ps5
I know, but I dont want it for now@@Ethan-dt6fc
I disagree with the Mysterio one. Thought the missions were generic and bland. The challenges in the first game were more memorable and a lot harder. The boss fight at the end was also brain dead easy. He never felt like a big bad villain at any point to me. It was just kinda there for me. Mediocre at best.
Side missions were a lot better compared to the 2018 game.
Hel no enemy bases where lacking and combat challenges for Peter where removed 2018 was better
@@theironbokser2203 copium
This is a great list. For me personally, the mysterio missions were kinda boring and the only real redeeming part of them was the final mission and the suit you get from it. I also appreciate the stance on the BV missions, as the amount of straight up wasted potential was sad.
I think the thing that carries Mysterio's missions is Mysterio. While it's otherwise just a generic wave-based arena with a few gimmicky objectives, the style and ongoing story about Quentin trying to turn over a new leaf (things like him refusing to use the Mysterio name or trying to rationalise collecting people's private data helped flesh him out in an interesting way) are what carried those missions for me.
Nah those missions were peaked
In Miles Morales I completely ignored the Prowler missions because that sound mechanic was just so annoying. At least here it was passable. One thing that I found rather dumb was the air vent with the lasers, because you find the stash at the end near an exit that's easily accessible and doesn't have any obstacles.
I agree with most rankings but I have to say the Mysteriums were a little disappointing. I wished it had more variety other than just combat missions. I like the time trial traversal missions from the first game and missed those
The Hailey mission is heal the world tier because there is a cat and you can pet it
Nah I'm sorry, the one with the drone girl was far worse than the homecoming one. That mission was one of the only ones that actively annoyed me
I definitely agree
Even if it doesn’t make sense from a story perspective, it would probably be super annoying if you had to switch to Peter for the photo side quest
Vijay is literally just a gay stereotype that turns me straight
The electric spppiiiiiidddddeeeerrrrrr
I'm glad that your criticism of the homecoming mission wasnt just "gay = bad."
I agree with the majority of your rankings, but I have to say, I really enjoyed collecting the Spider-Bots. Sure, they were just kind of a mass collectible, but I’m a huge fan of the Spider-Verse comic series. I loved looking at the different Spider-Bots, and trying to figure out which version they were before picking them up. The end scene was a pretty big letdown though. I’ve read almost all of the Spider-Verse comics, and I have no clue who the heck that lady was either.
The lady is called Delilah and she’s in a deleted scene where the spot enters a villain bar and beats everyone up
@@Shahzadan Wait, really? They chose some random character that never even made into the movie to make a cameo in the game. Even if she had been put in the movie, it would have been so much better to see Miguel, or even Lyla. Also, thanks. I had no clue she even existed.
2:19 I said that the criminals in this mission must have been desperate to be stealing instruments.
Idk about desperate but I’m pretty sure Darren was paying them big bills for getting the instruments, so that’s the primary motive
Cletus stole the show. I have a huge bias because I absolutely love Carnage though. The dark and creepy atmosphere is so cool and I can’t wait for Carnage to arrive in dlc.
9:00 I predicted it during my first time and was so freaking sad when he suddenly hung up, i obviously feared the worst and i hate that i was right. 😢 Idk why they were cooking that good for some of those missions.
Quick heads up regarding the Spider-Bots collection quest. Delilah was a character that was planned for, but scrapped from, Across the Spider-Verse, but Insomniac didn't have the time to remove or replace her with another character.
The homecoming mission was just pandering honestly. It was forced, weird, stereotypical, and added no substance to the story or overall immersion.
The howard misson hit hard to me, the fact that he talked about his wife and hinting at him not being suited to watch his pidgeons made me almost cry a little.
Just wish we had more side quests in which it wrapped up with a cool boss battle. Considering how lore rich the spiderverse is, just wished we had a few more is all...
You weren’t supposed to know who deliah is
Just re-watching the Howard clip made me tear up. That shit messed me up the first time I played it and apparently, I’m still not over it.
I did the EMF final mission after Harry’s “death” and it hit so hard bro 😭
Bro called the mission with the gay people weird 💀
20:43 I hated those dorks too!!!
I didn’t want howard to die, man you got one of the best side character dying off while you fly his pets home with the most perfect music. Howard didn’t deserve to die, but he deserved the way they sent him off
The fireworks mission kinda got me in a very cheap way. My brother passed away in august of 2020, we share the same birthday too.
For the Haley mission, there was a missed opportunity to make some sort of actual “puzzle” where the player has to translate American Sign Language into English to solve. Example could be she runs into someone who’s learning ASL and they want to practice it so they sign three things and as the player (pulling a page from Uncharted) we pull out Haley’s notebook that shows a couple hand signs to decipher what they’re saying. Granted, this requires player dissonance since Haley would know her own language by heart and she wouldn’t need to carry a notebook. Notebook would be for the player. That said, some deaf don’t learn ASL from day one. Maybe she learned in recent years or she carries it for other people that care to communicate with her in her language. Couple of holes in this suggestion but i was just spitballing.
Point is, puzzle element with her language. Insomniac seem to care a lot about inclusion. If they wanted to put us in her shoes, focus on how she communicates maybe???
That feels unnecessary. It’s a side mission we aren’t trying to learn ASL. Sure it’d be inclusive but it’d add nothing to… anything.
@@TheSpectacularSpooderMon side missions often have puzzles. Puzzles come in many forms. Could be as simple as matching two or three hand signs to 2 or 3 words. Das it
I wish I could agree with you on the Sandman missions. I want to love them. But the repetition, anticlimactic final mission and lack of closure of the conclusion bring it down for me. I think the final mission should have been something more than just fighting waves of the same goon you've been fighting and the conclusion afterward given Marko justice for what was done to him. You just placing the crystal statue on his ex's doorstep without explaining shit to his daughter doesn't do it for me. I wanted to see more of Marko physically in the game and we only got a first appearance from him and a phone call. He deserved so much better.
8:45 finally someone criticizing the homecoming mission for something other than sexuality.
As a player of the game. I got to say i loved the Howard mission. Howard finally living in peace with his wife was an amazing concept idea and traversing alongside the pigeons was amazing definitely with the music in the background with Peters dialogue with the pigeons while the boats are sailing on the water. Loved this mission. R.I.P. Howard.
It’s really frustrating how much this game starts side missions with Miles’ main missions. They didn’t think through Miles’ inclusion in the main story, to the point that they just started most sidequests off with him so they could pretend they knew what they were doing with him.
Wish they gave him more involvement in the story, this game really needed more time in the oven to balance the Venom and Kraven storylines with two Spidey’s lives. On top of the half-baked Venom plotline.
Still an incredible game gameplay wise but Miles and Venom deserved way better than the story gave.
I did howards mission last and got the platnium. Never thought i would get emotional over it.
The Howard mission made me more emotional than the main story lol😂
I agree with a lot of these rankings, for the most part, and I will admit that I was at first blinded by the creative aspects of the Hailey mission when it came to how everything was muffled that I only saw it’s shortcomings later.
I do agree that the Flame side missions were the best of them all, especially with how it set up Carnage. I wonder if the reason they had Peter keep the Anti-Venom Symbiote was for the express purpose of using it to beat Carnage in a later DLC or the next game.
As for Delilah (I hope I’m spelling that right), she was actually supposed to be Across the Spider-Verse but was ultimately cut from the movie. I think she was suppose to run some sort of multidimensional bar or something where she was like a shoulder for Spot to cry on and encourage him to be the Villain he ends up becoming, but I could be wrong.
I hate all the woke shit in the game. Why can't they make a game without politics if you wanna make something political, at least make it connect to the story just don't put it there for brownie points and this goes for both left and right games do not need to be political unless it's relevant to the game
Cry about it
@@Dork_000 why are you upset I'm correct
@@Dork_000 I guess you want liberal politics in your video games, which is very odd
@@Mr.Manhattan-capta1n Cry about it
@@Dork_000 no it was a genuine question like I honestly wanna know why do you disagree with me? I wanna hear your point.
delilah was a cut character from across the spiderverse
I liked the music museum mission but I knew who would be the bad guy from the start because there was only one white guy in the whole mission and I knew they wouldn’t make a black character a villain. Darren was fun but way too obvious.😅
The spider-verse mission here was built off a deleted scene. It really hurts cause of it but it is what it is
I just feel like this game and it’s side missions really didn’t do anything innovative. The bike riding is the biggest new gameplay mechanic that isn’t just new moves for the spider-men. Like Brooklyn visions could’ve been fun but they’re just you swinging around the city every time. Idk what I was hoping for or expecting, but most of the side missions just fell flat for me
I totally feel that. I think Insomniac's open world design has been criticized a lot since the game came out and to me the biggest problem is the lack of depth in their side activities. It's NYC, there's only so much one can do with designing the world. I think if this game had like 5 really killer side missions, criticisms of the world would be far more muted. Unfortunately, it feels like they only really cared about 1... maybe 2
@@GameDenColor imo even the ones like Wraith that they put effort into felt like the mid side missions from the first game. Other than the last mysterio mission nothing stood out to me as much as the first game. It just feels like they have a formula now and they’re playing it extremely safe
I like how the sandman mission is in rock solid tier
I reeeallly like the robot dog mission more than it deserves idk there’s just something about this lady being blind AND allergic to dogs so they can’t get a guide just being such a Spider-Man universe level fuck you from god degree of bad luck and I loved seeing her get such an outlandish solution to her problem in a way that makes perfect sense given the logic of the game world; gankes done more ex machina things then reprogram a robot dog with TH-cam videos
In hindsight, I really appreciate the risk they took with Graffiti Trouble and how you literally felt the world around you with the haptics, but it was definitely flawed in the gameplay department and could’ve been fleshed out better. Thank you for being one of the very few to actually critique it without crying “woke” or anything like that.
The grandpa mission was definitely S
The twist at the end of the flame really shocked me and puts it at the top of my list
For the hunter bases the two waves don't spawn if you do stealth.
I wish this game was longer, even if it would've delayed the game.
If it was delayed we would've gotten all dlc stories by now and the game would have so much depth.
Miles: **yawns** Good morning my dear city! **checks phone**
Anonymous: Looking good this red suit!
Ganke: Come to the place!
Hailey: **voicemail**
Rio: Call me back!!!
Miles: Hm. Aight.
At his house
Miles: Hey Mrs. Watanabe! How's it going?
Wraith: Kid you still don't know right?
Miles: **sighs deeply**
Hailey: (Miles. Um. What you remember yesterday?)
Miles: I just cured out Norman, got home and got to bed.
Hailey: (Oh Miles. You're not being you.)
Hailey: (The suit is changing you.)
Miles: And the suit is the reason that you're not crying in my grave!
Wraith: Yeah that's real great huh?
Miles: Why don't ya get more wine 'til you fall in the floor!
Hailey: (Hey! Don't.)
Miles: I'm busting the SH*T out of it trying to save you and *THIS* is my reward?!
Hailey: (I said "don't!")
Miles: What does your commission was about?!
Hailey: (I tried to talk about tha-)
Miles: Yeah but didn't huh?
Hailey: (I can't lose the degree Miles!)
Miles: Your degree is to draw the truth!
Hailey: (And I did wrote the) AH!
Miles: **slaps Hailey** THE TRUTH IS THAT *I'M* THE HERO OF THIS CR4P AND I DON'T NEED YOUR HELP!!
Hailey: **pants in fear**
As Hard of hearing person i see nothing wrong with the graffiti trouble it cool and fun
Yeah he comes off a bit racist
@lcgraves4339 bro what u yapping about man?
@@mrmelonman2893 he’s literally hates on the mission cause you can play a as black girl and hates the home coming mission because you help an gay couple. I bet if the couple was straight he would have said better things just sad man don’t matter the game is still great regardless of his opinion
@lcgraves4339 as a black person your just yapping lmao. Cope harder both missions were mid at best
@@mrmelonman2893 nah you cope. They got yall mad as hell about a gay couple I hope they continue and add more missions with gay and black people
I liked the actual finding and collecting of the Spider-Bots, but the ending didn’t land for me. I spent up to, like, the last 5 or so bots guessing which comic character/group would have made and dispersed all of them, then got really deflated when it all clicked. I’m just honestly so tired of multiverse-this, multiverse-that these days, and this mission suffered for me because of it. I love the Spider-Verse films, and will probably go see Beyond, but the effect they’ve had on media-especially outside of Spider-Man-has been exhausting.
I disagree wholeheartedly on Harold. This story’s premise is completely dependent on some mysterious ailment that kills Harold on command when the mission ends. This is just baaaad writing. Especially seeing how easy it would have been to spin off the story from a crime where Harold gets assaulted and eventually succumbs. It would perfectly marry Spider-Guilt with a last wish and make everything much more cohesive and impactful.
Man I just did the Brooklyn visions lights camera action mission and I hate it still! This being my third time playing it, I can’t help but feel Miles should tell this kid to F off. He clearly just wanted him to do his work for him. Bugged the crap outta me
It's confirmed - Cletus Cassidy is healing the world
Personally, I loved the homecoming date mission - it was cool to help Lucas (who has a very similar name to my ex lol) ask his bf out. Made me feel good to see the queer representation. I see why you disliked it for the gameplay tho
The best spider man side mission was carnage
My favorite part about the mission where Peter meet JJ is that the photo he gives him is the same picture that’s in the cover of the very first Spidey comic. I love Easter eggs like that
the fnsm “monster in queens” side mission is my favorite
I don’t think the whole jazz history thing deserved to be in healing the world over grandpa mission. If the grandpa mission moved ppl to tears that says something
Bro was harsh and i love it
Howard mission was the best in the game, definitely, RIP howard
Symbiote nest missions are probably the worst over all. Very fun and tough sometimes, but doesnt add anything at all to the story
I just plat the game two days ago also that suit that he is wearing in the start of the video for miles love the cat slaps when doing a finisher moves
I was severely convinced you would rank The Flame stuff in Rock Solid. Remind me what it was that made it Healing the World.
The depiction of Cletus Cassidy was up there with Kraven and Venom for me. The gameplay also has dual-team capabilities that I forgot to mention which gives it a little extra oomph. It's my favorite of the game and the most like the Arkham series villain-centric side missions which are pretty much the gold standard as far as I'm concerned
I believe Delilah was a cut character that was supposed to be in beyond the spiderverse but got cut
Kinda wrong but ok
Also, I think Delila from the spiderbot mission may be this universe’s Lyla, the one from the movie. The names are very similar. Maybe Lyla is short for Delila?
Was the “I don’t know who Delilah is, I wish it was Miguel’s hologram babe” a joke? It’s the same person haha. They just call her lyla in the movies.
…no, she isn’t
I am so glad someone agrees with me on the bebop missions being preachy that isnt being incredibly racist and "anti woke" a great side quest that despite agreeability gets a little cringe and on the nose.
You know the worst part about this is is that how rare it is nowadays No one wants to just say hey this is preachy and that's it No everyone has to be full hulk either fully Anti woke or believe it's the best thing since sliced bread What is with the internet
@@knucklessammich3875 yes, or if someone does just say it's a little preachy someone goes off the rails and spout actual Nazi propaganda
I HATED the last EMF puzzle literally took me hours to do until I found out you could skip puzzles 😭😭
I like every side mission you can play as Peter because miles is BLA-
I had a glitch where I could beat the symbiote nests in 10 seconds.
I don’t blame Miles for being on Aaron, Aaron is partly responsible for Phins death after he lied to his face saying he was gonna help Miles. Even though he didn’t mean it, he could have also had Roxxon nearly kill him. Then the mf kidnaps Miles and locks him up after all that he’s done. I think Miles’s mistrust in Aaron is warranted
A quest-line I think could be cool would be one that introduces Hobie Brown’s Prowler. A new Prowler shows up and Miles (or Peter) has to figure out who they are as they commit heists.
Imagine when rio and miles were salasing, it transitioned to Rio and Jefferson dancing when they were young😢
this dude is like an art critic for video games. the emojis during the Hailey side mission dont have an ulterior motive of talking down to the player, its just an artistic choice for the character who is literally an artist that has to text to communicate
I don't think there's a sinister ulterior motive, it's a criticism of their decision. If it was legitimately art and not cheap, child-like emojis I would feel much differently
And for me the gay side mission the guy glitched out like crazy
the bird mission i littaery just satyed still and spamed the o button
10:41 This is what happens though.
Atleast for some of them, when you complete it with stealth only the second wave doesnt come out. Maybe they patched this because I'e been playing it recently so I dont know
Anything with Miles school i could of done without. Most of the time, I was like "God can't you guy figure this out yourselves."
I know the homecoming mission is probably everyone’s least fav. It pissed me off because the only reason it exists is to please the lgbtq mob
Actually you can do it stealthily and don't have to fight two waves
What the hell? I tried a couple times on my first playthrough. Maybe I screwed up somehow, I guess I gotta try again once I start a new playthrough