I feel like Spider-Man Unlimited’s Green Goblin should get a pass because it’s a complete different character. It’s not really an adaptation more like an alternate version
@@KillerMoth3663it’s not an adaptation, it’s a reimagining of the character. The ultimate series in general is less of an adaptation and more of a creative reimagining since the purpose of the series was to remake the series and put brand new spins on iconic characters. They weren’t trying to adapt or repeat what they’ve been doing for decades. Most adaptations make minor changes to lore here and there, maybe some changes are less minor than others but they don’t change TOO much. But a reimagining is a totally different thing that flips the lore on his head
@@erlendkaarb2038 there are a few signs of it being shown like when Green Goblin was questioning him on where Peter Parker was and Jonah didn’t rat him out
I think you were wrong about Lizard. The worst adaptation is definitely from the 2017 cartoon. Connors is a horrible person who exposes Peter's identity to frame him. There's no emotional attachment to Peter, and he is a useless lizard.
"Venom is goofy, even as a villain" "Gwen Stacy in comics was a bland character" Proof that this guy has actually read the comics and isn't just repeating what others have said.
Damn i definitely misread what you wrote and I’d like to apologize for my statements LOL I take full responsibility for my comments I appreciate you looking out for me
@@spidermania Okay, but have you seen Kingpin's appearance in the Spider-Woman cartoon from the 70s? He turns invisible, but you still know where he is at all times, because he's constantly eating and we can see the food.
@@spidermania Tbh I like the trial of the incredible hulk's version of Kingpin, similar to JJJ, I don't think we really have a bad on screen depiction of the character
The problem with insomniacs venom is it being just a “goo hulk”. He can’t swing from webs (which is a venom trait passed from the host), doesn’t act like a spider neither nor does he joke with Parker a lot. Venom is a character that is the most iconic spiderman villain and he’s supposed to act like his “poison”. The emblem on the chest represents his spider like abilities yet isn’t. I can do this all day but I hope y’all get the point
they even copied the scene of Hulk where he jumps at an airborne object shooting at him and then repeatedly punching that object from Avengers movie and yeah u nailed Venom's description
He's not supposed to even in the comics he's still very different from Spider-Man everyone thinks Venom is just supposed to be an evil Spider-Man but he is so much more way much more Venom's whole purpose was to take over the world and infect people with the Symbiote that was his original purpose later on it begins to become destroying Spider-Man plus all are just finding something to complain about cuz I guarantee you if Venom was exactly like Spider-Man you wouldn't want to play the game and you'd probably say "there's nothing different Venom is just evil Spider-Man with a black suit"
Venom is literally just Knull Harbringer in this game. His entire personality is "Goo and Angry at Spider-Man" and: Eddie Venom was massive cause Eddie himself was Massive. Symbiotes still have limits how much They can spread and grow. Carnage had to 24/7 eat meat to grow enough mass to take over small city. This Venom have unlimited goo and is Hulk sized. Venom was Goofy, he was Goofy even when as Villain which was Mentioned in Video. He dies, like dies dies and his personality makes it really hard to see potential Venom Spin Off (No way They dont have plan with there being entire fully Playable Venom Segment) and believe he Lethal Protector now. Venom did bad stuff but wasnt stereotypical Alien Invader.
@@theoneperson3996 incorrect if you think his personality is goo and mad at Spider-Man you didn't pay attention to the game personality is so much more than that yes symbiotes have limits but with meteorite from their planet make some more stronger even in comics he can spread without having to eat anything as long as he has the meteorite also that's not really true cuz Eddie in the Tom Hardy Universe still massive Eddie Brock isn't massive in the comics there's been some times where Eddie Brock wasn't massive and Venom still was all this to say Venom is a symbiote who bonds with his host emotions towards Spider-Man are loving and caring not hatred if you play the game venom has Harry's emotions meaning he truly cares about Spider-Man thinks what he's doing is right thinks what he's doing is helping people but at the same time symbiote itself also wants to spread
I actually really liked the Insomniac version of Venom. They did say it would be different going in, plus there’s a spinoff on the way so I’m not counting it out yet. If I was to give a worse version of Venom, I’d say the Ultimate Spider-Man (TV) version. Every other version the symbiote is an alien from space, that version is made out of spidey’s blood and insecurities and they would find the stupidest ways to keep bringing it back
Oh hell no. That very clearly goes to Sonyverse Venom. A lot of Ultimateverse got stupid as it dragged on but Ultimate Venom's debut storyline was some of the best Spidey content period and a high point of Ultimate Spider Man, there's a reason they had Symbiote Ultimate Spidey in Shattered Dimensions. And Insomniac's Harry Osborne is basically Ultimate Eddie Brock in everything but name (with a tiny dash of ASM2 Harry thrown in for spice); clearly Ultimate got some stuff very right and fundamentally understood the core elements of why Venom is one of Spider Man's 3 archfoes. Venom movie Venom strips away almost every aspect of Venom that matters and turns him into the homeless loser of symbiotes along the way, to such a degree that some of his most iconic design aspects and powers (like shooting webs and having the spider symbol) can't even be justified in the continuity. It would be like if Nintendo announced the Zelda movies wouldn't have Link but the first film is a Dark Link movie without Link even being in the continuity. I'd sooner have faith in a solo Green Goblin movie than I would a solo Venom movie, it was about the worst idea they could have come up with to try and start "spider man universe without spider man"- let's pick the one character who is literally verbatim called "the evil spider man" and "the shadow of Spider Man whose existence is intrinsically and forever linked to his past" by Stan Lee.
@@JacobNintendoNerd99 All good. I should have specified it was the tv version. I have no hate for the comic version. In fact I think they actually look quite cool
To be fair... Insomniac did say that their version of Venom was a completely different approach and original take on the character. So I don't think you can really compare Insomniac Venom to classic Venom.
Spider-Man 2 Mysterio was my first introduction to the character. I liked how he had a more alien vibe than other adaptations. The funhouse of doom level was one of my favorite parts of the game.
@@davidbjacobs3598 that was a perfect way to end his character in the game. The whole time I thought Mysterio was a real villain and the game was building him up to be a big scary boss… only for him to go down with one punch at a grocery store. Then he was revealed to be Quentin Beck and the whole Mysterio persona was fake. You could imagine how I reacted as a kid. It’s a very accurate portrayal of Mysterio in my opinion.
The movie Venom is quite honestly, one of the best adaptations. Yes his origin is different but the character? Dude is basically Lethal Protector and Neversoft Venom and he steals the show everytime he speaks. Miles better than many versions that erase the humor out of him (Like Friends or Foe, Mua3 and Raimi3) and expecially better than the mindless creature we see in Ultimate Spiderman.
Thank god someone else agrees. Venom is single handedly my favorite marvel, hell, even comic book character in general, and the movie version was great. Sure it wasn’t traditional and didn’t have Spider-Man, but I think the way they handled it was fine, and the venom-Eddie relationship was perfectly portrayed in a goofy like manner, especially in venom 2. And carnage in that movie was dope too, he got too much hate.
@@Muksss a great adaptation of the worst Venom ever who was written by a Venom hater (because a mindless monster is apparently better than nuanced mix of humor and grotesque). Hence a garbage adaptation of the original character
I don’t think insomniac’s venom should be called bad just for not being Eddie and having a different motivation. Sure, The Dialogue Can Be Confusing As You Wonder If Venom’s Talking Or Harry But The Thought Of Him Doing All Of This To Heal People But Seeing It Through A Twisted Lens Makes A Cool Idea And Venom Is Just A Beast As He Killed The Man That Killed HALF Of The Sinister 6 And Wasn’t Even Impressed. Also, I Can’t Tell If You Don’t Like Him Having The Gooey Tendrils But If So, I’m Wondering If You Know What Symbiote’s Are And They’re Abilities Because That Is A Normal Attribute Of Symbiote’s And Can Form Objects Like Bombs Or Scythes Easily. Also, just because he isn’t as goofy doesn’t mean he’s bad. Sure, the whole darker venom isn’t the same as the original but it’s still a great adaptation and Harry doesn’t want revenge on Peter so there’s no reason to make many quips against him as his motivation is to Help everyone. To Improve everyone. To heal everyone. Next, the hulking beast thing isn’t that amazing but it’s still good. The way your describing him makes him seem like he’s not always a giant or big or muscular and if he wasn’t then we’d be closer to just having another spider-man 3 movie venom. This venom is good so I don’t think he deserves the hate your laying down on him
an adaptation means you're adapting something. And they adapted only the design. It isnt the same character, same motivations, same personality. The only thing they have in common is the looks and the name. And the reason for they name are totally different too. One is because of the venom eddie and the symbiote feel towards peter/spidey the other is just cause it sounds cool
@freddycashbear2164 Sonys Venom at least gave the character a bit of personality, outside of mindlessly killing people and taking over the city like some generic forgettable super villain.
Yeah, I don't like how everyone hates an adaptation because it's different and newer , that's called nostalgia at its worst . Doing something new makes things interesting Also did everyone forget about WOS Venom , he's basically the same idea as Insomniac Venom , he's not comic accurate at all and doesn't have the same anti-heroic goofy personality as the original Venom yet I see nobody complaining about him nor saying that this was a disservice to the character, again another example that proves that nostalgia is one of the reasons because people will say WOS is better SM2 because of nostalgia
They actually did Venom perfect it is really good Venom's original purpose was to spread the Symbiote and infect the Earth in the comics I'm glad that they made that similar and not just made him hate Spider-Man I'm glad they gave him more purpose than to just hate Spider-Man and as for the dialogue it's not really confusing he's trying to trick Peter into letting him quote on quote Heal the World but also maintaining a symbiotic Bond meaning that there is a double meaning behind the whole Heal the World thing part of Venom which is Harry wants to heal the world with Peter the other part of venom wants to spread the Symbiote like he was supposed to do since the Symbiote does heal people they decided to do both
Questions for you: Venom is Eddie and the symbiote, they named themselves that because they don't like Spidey. Why does Harry name himself venom? What part of Harry hates Peter enough that he would feasibly, want to even be poison to Spider-Man?
@@ItzApotato5907 So it got its name from human serial numbers, on a canister. Almost like it was obligatory to name him that and not because of the character's own motivations.
That’s a dumb excuse for a video about adaptions. That’s if I’m making a tire list on how faithful different adaptations are to their source material, but I Ignore one of them for whatever the reason is.
@@dangerousdays2052 He still pushed Grandma of the stairs, killed mom, dad and the dog. He was bullied by other kids there but that's about it as far as I remember. Besides it's not sympathetic but more so understanding why he is the way he is if that makes sense.
@@mayotango1317 Comic Thanos was better because he was literally in love with Death and that's a new level of crazy. Movie Thanos didn't even make sense because the infinity gauntlet could make more resources.
I don’t hate insomniac venom but he did need more time in the game than they gave him but let’s hope they bring him back and make it eddie Edit: So I just found out about the leaks about insomniac roadmap, I can laugh the people who thought Venom wouldn’t come back
@@xeibei4804 well carnage is coming and we didn’t find out where the piece of venom’s tongue went. And venom is one of the biggest spider man characters it wouldn’t surprise if me he comes back
@@anidiot192i cant imagine them doing it. It already took them so long to release spiderman 2 now they gotta make a nee game for miles, spiderman 3 the wrap up the goblin stuff and are making a wolvering game. I hope tho they do
• Spider-man unlimited goblin could be pretty interesting if he was own character. Though might need to to make him look less like green goblin and vulture if that happened. • Live-action carnage was bad but his design was FIRE. Also are you sure spider-man unlimited isn't the worst? • What do you think are the best and worst adaptions of scorpion, tombstone and hammerhead?
Live action Carnage looked almost as bad as he was written. They got nearly everything fundamentally wrong with his design, they literally just went "red Venom"
@@Coconut_Prrson I do agree that carnage should be leaner and more lightly built. But I have no problem if they have the same height, even if that isn't the usual.
@@lbrett7054 Blood red colour. More distinct difference between red and black. Black teeth. Pink mouth. No tongue. Shoe feet. Played by Cameron Monaghan. Ya know, Carnage.
Me personally, the only take I disagree with from this video is Venom only because it’s a different variant of the character. Venom has had a handful of hosts: Eddie Brock, Harry Osborn, Mac Gargan, Flash Thompson, etc. That is why I can understand the changes to the character in the Spider-Man 2. It is the best portrayal for a Harry Osborn Venom, which there haven’t been many, but as a whole I think he is a good Venom overall
Also people were saying venom was supposed to be goofy, but this version of venom is more similar to Ultimate Spiderman (comics) venom and web of shadows venom, who both were serious
2017 show Miles is a more terrible adaptation. He has nothing to really set him apart from Peter, he is too close to age to him, he goes to the smart school with Peter too. He's just bland.
I did like the episode in Spider-Man Unlimited where Venom was separated from the symbiote and we got to see Eddie Brock as a person and see his sympathetic side when being nursed back to health.
Swapping out Eddie Brock with Harry Osborn was an excellent move on Insomniac’s part because the writing on his arc is nearly flawless. Harry was a dying man who wanted to heal the world, and the symbiote offered him a twisted version of that dream through turning others into symbiote infected zombies. The game made Venom more than just a stalker out to kill Spider-Man. Venom was actually a threat to the safety of not only New York City but the entire planet. And his relations with Peter (being that Harry is his best friend) as well his motivations makes Venom a very sympathetic character. And Tony Todd has given us one of the best comic book villain performances of all time to boot. He is better then the movie versions of Venom Insomniac version is one of the best. But at least you put Spider Man Unlimited instead. For Electro, it should have been the 2017 cartoon instead. They gender swapped that character. 90s Electro is peak even if it wasn't Max Dillion
Not really the Symbiote is evil for no reason and out of nowhere it comes with the "let's take over the city" and I don't like how they blame everything on it like with peter it's like "I wasn't angry it was the Symbiote it's all his fault" when the Symbiote doesn't do that he enhances your negative emotions it doesn't just make them out of nowhere
@@Manuelaiello204 no, it didn't came out of nowhere. The symbiote thinks it's full filling Harry's dream of wanting to heal the world. The symbiote didn't become evil for no reason. Once it touches the meteorite, it gains the memory on when it first crash lands on Earth. Plus every version of the symbiote is like that. Where the more Peter keeps it then the more it alters his personality and makes him aggressive. That part stayed true to the source material and as seen in previous iterations like Spider Man 3, 90s and Spectacular Spider Man
They got venoms characterization completely wrong as the video said. All venom was was an evil hulking goo monster with a meatpuppet kid host named Harry. He didn’t have any of the real venoms motivations
@Yurislug Yeah, and the original version has been sidelined or further added after the 90s show. And even then, i think there's been some comics that show that the symbiote was being more hostile with crime while Peter was asleep. So it's not like the symbiote isn't prone to commit heinous acts thinking its what the host wants (insomniac venom)
Spider-Man 3 Venom is the most accurate in terms of origin because originally venom said “I “and not “we” and it didn’t increase his size Eddie was just unnaturally buff for a reporter plus it had inspiration from ultimate Eddie Brock if you compared the two eddie Brock’s side by side so it was a fusion of ultimate Eddie Brock and 616 symbiote. Sony venom is the most inaccurate in terms of origin but it nails how wacky venom is and the friendship between Eddie and the symbiote.
Honestly, I kinda disagree on Insomniac's Venom. It's a canon thing that the Symbiote chooses different hosts. Such as Mac Gargan being an occasional host. And Harry was Venom in Ultimate Spider-Man. Insomniac confirmed they wanted a different take on Venom from the comics, because they don't want to retread old stories. And I didn't think he was goofy. He was threatening, and more importantly, he's an antagonist to both Peter and Spider-Man, hence why Harry had to be Venom. Stan Lee said Venom is a mix of Peter and Spider-Man's enemy. But it's your opinion. I subbed btw. 😉
@batmanarkhamfan-cr4do, he wants to do more than take over the world. He wants to save or "Heal" the world. He is Venom in the narrative of the story because he's an antagonist to Peter and Spider-Man. With Harry being Venom, he wants to save the world by turning people into Symbiote zombies, because the Symbiote was keeping Harry stable, slowing his disease. The Symbiote in the game genuinely cared about Peter, and was hurt by being rejected by him. It's actually more fleshed out than in the comics or other media imo.
@batmanarkhamfan-cr4do, Yeah. I'm on the camp that the Symbiote doesn't really turn people dark. Instead, it helps them let out their negative emotions that they repress. So if anything, the Symbiote is a victim as well. We're gonna have to wait and see, because Tony Todd confirmed that there are unused Venom dialogue we have yet to hear. Either way, I liked Venom in Ps4 2.
14:16 Really, I mean it's still far better than the emo mutant kid version of Vulture from the Ultimate Spider-Man series, he's got a interesting backstory but the design and character does not work for me. They could have gone with the bald senior-citizen instead
Well actually venom and andrew spiderman are actually in the same universe since they are in sony and venom lives in San Francisco while andrew spiderman lives in new york so thats why spiderman wasn't there.
Insomniac venom could have been a really good adaptation, but because insomniac were rushed, his motives were ass, his behavior was annoying, being a tantrum murder thrower, if his behavior wasn’t so bad he could be very well received, his voice was very good for venom, his abilities were top notch, bringing his wings, something a lot of adaptations miss, his strength and corruption, he had such great potential, but Sony had to be filthy money hungry Jew like rats, and they ruined spider man 2 entirely, for what could’ve been another hit game
@@walterandrews4985 Your comment instantly lost any value the second you used cringe emojis like a FaceBook mom. Edit: I like how you accused me of not arguing against the point being made, when in reality I just didn't think that your comment had any worth to it to even warrant a debate. Also me not wanting to argue against some tool on the internet makes me a "gen z twitter brain"? Dude, I was born in the 90s, try to actually be creative in a comment section next time.
The 90s adaptation making Electro red skull’s sun is so hilarious to me. Like show-runners famous for not even allowing Spider-Man to throw punches because it needs to be child appropriate turned around and went “hmmmm how do we make this character less boring for kids watching?Oh I know let’s make him a Nazi that’ll make him cool!”
2:52 Ok respectfully disagreeing,insomniac venom is one of the best adaptations,venom by himself is goofy and fun,but the spiders see him as a big hulking monster,I know he’s unable to web swing and that’s ass,but still venom is a dark character too he’s eaten brains,killed uncle Ben in other universes,actually tried to kill Spider-Man’s girlfriend,assaulted eddies gf,got it on with a corpse,and did it with another corpse,and he’s also eaten hulk. Venom is a very fucked up piece of shit and they got that right in the games
WOW what a supprise. venom has a different motivation because his host is not eddie brock but a guy whos main goal in life after nearly dying to a disease is to heal the world i am truely shocked that he is different then comic venom with a completly different motivation. also on a serious note he is goffy in the game sometimes given his short screentime. he acts tough and all that but then goes "last chance,last chance, join us this is your last chance" multiple times showing his sorta soft side of harry and the symbiote who wants peter back or when he "acts" like he need peter's help and all that then when peter arrives goes "thanks for coming pete" and his line when they got to the school right before he and peter are about to fight he says "this is where we became best friends" which is also kinda goffy but fits consedring harry is the host while yes he isnt like comic venom because he dosent have a lot of screentime like comic venom nor he will probably never appear in insomniac universe cuz bro is dead
Ehh, I wished Venom got more screen time in Insomniac Spiderman2. I think that would have made the character a lot better imo. Honestly, I don’t think the game was cooking fr. Too many story lines and they didn’t even end well.
I feel like everybody gets the whole "they're not a match" thing wrong with Carnage in Venom 2. I believe that they were basically the perfect match that we know them to be in the comics but if you remember when they are said not to be a match it is when carnage starts strangling Shriek which I believe is the one thing Cletus and the symbiote didn't agree on. So when Carnage tried to kill Shriek and Cletus tried stopping him I think it just STOPPED them from being symbiotic and the perfect match but before that they basically were since they had the same goal and where bonded on a molecular level as we see with Carnages abilities in the film.
The fact that Cletus even had romantic feelings towards Shriek is what killed the character for me. Cletus is a psychopath and he’s sees Shriek as only an acquaintance at best. The only thing they have in common is their desire for Mayhem. Carnage could care less what happens to Shriek.
People seriously need to stop hating on Insomniac’s Venom. They have said this already, IT WOULD NOT HAVE MADE SENSE TO MAKE EDDIE VENOM IN THE STORY. Peter no longer works at the Bugle meaning he can’t screw up Eddie’s career (this is circumstantial so there’s a chance he still can). And Harry had been set up as Venom in the last two games so there was literally no going back. Stop hating on Harry, he’s a good Venom, just let it rest.
10:26 I will grant you this, but Insomniac's Kraven might beat this guy for me. It's a video game and in video games you need waves and waves of nameless goons to smack around for exp points, so now Kraven has his own mini army. Yeah, Kraven comes from a wealthy family or something, but I don't know if it's enough to fund his own plethora of soldiers, guns, vehicles, drones, robot dogs and his own cage-fight arena. He's Kraven the HUNTER, not Kraven the Cobra Commander. He's supposed to be jumping from roof to roof and throwing spears, not firing machine guns from a jet plane. Let's not forget how he just casually kills some of the other villains he'd more likely team up with, no doubt in some attempt to make him more manacing, but just makes him look more Gray Stu.
I actually really like Spider-Man 2 mysterio. Probably because that was my first introduction to the character. But as a kid he creeped me out, I legit thought he was an alien. He’s probably the reason why I have a fear of aliens today.
1:40 That kids cartoon realized the issue about Miles and Peter called Spider-Man at the same time and actually gave him an original name. Yeah, it's a stupid name, but hey, it's a kids show and at least it's an original name. Lemme say that again, a kids show actually recognized the Miles Spider-Man problem. A KIDS SHOW! Don't even come at me, Miles needs his own name. I don't care if someone likes him as Spider-Man, he needs his own identity.
Saying a kids show did it, is because kids have a hard time differentiating and telling things apart. You’re quite literally comparing your intelligence level to that of a 2 year old child. That’s the only reason they changed miles name in the show. I really hope this helps but I doubt it will. The miles hate is so forced and doesn’t exactly listen to reason. Have a good day.
I like both lethal protector venom (goofy and funny) and the big hulking venom and ig in the venom game you’re gonna get the venom that you want. But what I don’t agree at all with is that Harry had no motivation to him being venom he definitely did and venom doesn’t just have to be Eddie brock. Even in the comics venom has had other hosts.
14:02 I feel you buddy 😂 that was sooo hard back then when I was younger, but I appreciate that version of Mysterio mostly because it was my introduction to this character
I think Insomniac Venom gets away with not being Eddie because it would have felt so forced to just introduce him when there's so much going on. Also, I don't think Venom needed to be the more heroic version in this story because he was born out of rage and betrayal so to have him be a beast worked. Plus, Insomniac could probably expand on him later with the way it ended.
it wouldnt. They introduced otto in the first game just to make him the main villain and in this universe its official that eddie and peter already know eachother
@@nunogabriel646not only did they already set up Harry as Venom for the past two games, S-M 2 has TWO protagonists in Peter and Miles. They would need to build up Peter's AND Miles's respective plotlines and arcs, while dealing with their own supporting characters, Harry's storyline and his ties to the Symbiote, and needing to find a balance without having one overshadow the other. Throwing Eddie into the mix would be contrived and make the story fall apart.
not at all, it would be much easier to make harry a side character and work on his relationship with peter and his new friends and introduce harry as a new villain. Cause peters plotline in this game involves his friends. The first game had to develop octavius into a villain and did it much better than with harry. Mr. I dont think 1 more character would've been the thing to make the story fall apart. Specially cause it is already rushed and harry as venom doesnt make any sense. So having eddie as venom would open doors for the game to be bigger and have better development and eddie being venom would be much easier to explain/believe@@maxximusprime2970
No, that Mysterio level in Spider-Man 2 (2004) platform/swinging thing was the worst, and I hated it, I played the level like yesterday, and it's easily the like top 3 worst levels in the game, mostly because you lose speed very fast and I had to swing back to the first platforms in order to gain speed
The thing with insomniacs venom is that it’s THEIR Venom. He’ll probably be more like Venom IF they give him to Eddie. But for now it’s just Venom on someone else which would make Venom different
The chance that they WON'T give Venom to Eddie in the planned Venom solo game Insomniac is making "if fans show interest" (translation: it's already in development & we're playing coy for an article) is comically low, heck they just may relegate Carnage to said spin-off & recreate Maximum Carnage but with Miles & Eddie instead of Peter, that'd be neat.
The Raimi Flash is way worse than the MCU Flash in my opinion. Flash in the MCU reminds me of actual bullies from school, annoying kids who talk a lot of shit but wouldn't do anything. Raimi's Flashes most notable thing is him trying to beat up Peter at school, besides that he has zero character. MCU Flash is also a Spider-Man fanboy
No hate but i love spider-man 3s venom,hes everything i love about the character in one adaptation,and they removed a lot things that made the character goofy which i liked.
2017 Ben is so bad. Ben isn’t supposed to be smart, he’s a blue collar guy that’s does his best to be a father figure to Peter even though he can’t fill Richard Parker’s shoes
Insomniac Mary Jane is definitely the worst. Wrong job, wrong dreams, completely different personality, and her hair is not even red in the 2nd game. It's a weird brown color.
The reason why the original trilogy and TASM1 were memorable, was because of the producer LAURA ZISKIN It was because of her and her husband (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the movies had depth She was the only one capable to tell AVI ARAD when to back off Unfortunately, she died in 2011, during the production of TASM1 Without her, there was no one to stop Arad from destroying the franchise Spider-man was nothing without her
Insomniac Venom is the most comic accurate by far man(Except for the Harry instead of Eddie part). You GOTTA tell me what you're smoking so I can stay well tf away from it lmfao
I cant agree that fact ''Venom is goofy , fun dude'' , Venom has dark sense hummor I agree that but not too much goofy like Venom Movie's , he should be menacing, frightening, threatening... They showed us correctly about that at Marvel's Spider Man 2 , Major Wrong thing about Insomniac's Venom ; He is just acting like Hive Mind Monster , and he just care take over the world , no man that was completly wrong about Venom's Motivation , Venom never cared about conquer the world , He always only wanted take revenge from spiderman or prove himself as better protector than spiderman. Second wrong thing about Insomniac's Venom ; he has spider logo but he cant web swing.
I can explain Trial of the incredible hulk Kingpin. These were three tv specials set after the 70s hulk series, the producers forced Bill bixby (both played david banner but also director) to add a hero for a spin off in each film. Expect death of the incredible hulk both return and trial acted for a thor and daredevil Kingpin of course was the villain chosen for trial to match daredevil.
What makes me kinda sad is TASM2 Green Goblin’s design ALMOST works for me. I like it being a mix of technology and mutation. If it looked more monstrous, it could have been awesome, but as is, it doesn’t look like a goblin, it looks like Harry got leprosy or something
If you want another good Rhino story you should check out the book Spider-Man: The Darkest Hours, it’s a great little story and is legitimately the reason why Rhino is my all time favorite Spidey villain
I agree with the avengers spiderman being one of the worst but I feel like the 1970’s spiderman was the worst adaptation ever because 1. He had really had no story it was mostly just action and stuff 2. Spiderman didn’t even talk 3. The costume looks bad.
In my opinion spider man 2 was a good Adaptation I really never respect venom and. I wanted him to be more like a villain and not a good ball and I feel like they did a good job making him look like a threat and an actual villain
hard disagree about insomniac’s take on venom. it made sense for the story they were trying to tell. and given what they said, they were explaining about it being a different take on the character. I think a lot of people should have seen it coming. what really would have pissed me off if they had tried to pull a Arkham Knight with venom. if you know you know, this is coming from a Eddie Brock fan so.
It wouldn't have made much sense to squeeze Eddie Brock into the game as Venom and it felt more personal to Peter to have Harry be Venom. Also wouldn't it be boring to have the same exact story rehashed over and over again. This was something new and different which I appreciate.
I don't think you get how insomniac's venom works. Harry was his host for 2 years, whem venom makes everyone symbiotes is because he thinks he helps them, the goal of harry and peter was to heal the world, with the symbiote harry is healthy, so he wants to heal the world, he gives that "gift" to everyone thinking he does good and he don't want to hurt peter too muchbecause he knows he is his friend and want him to help him
I don't think anyone would disagree with you about Avengers Game Spider-Man being awful I certainly don't, the game was so bad I took it back and got my money back after a week
The problem is that Miles is often in the same universe as Peter, who is often Spider-Man first. Having two superheroes called Spider-Man could be confusing. If they really want to use Miles as *the* Spider-Man, they either need to get rid of Peter (no reader wants that), or send Miles to a dimension without a mainline Spider-Man (which Marvel seems reluctant to do). Getting rid of Peter would be poison to one of the few parts of Marvel Comics that people still care about, and keeping Spider-people separate would eliminate the Spider-verse, which has become popular due to the movies. Really they should've learned their lesson from the Spider-clone saga. Poor Ben Riley.
@@alpyki2588 We currently have couple people using the Flash name , and multiple Daredevils, idc if it's confusing They're both Spider-Man and Ben will eventually come back as the Scarlet Spider and so is Kaine
@@DrPepperIsBae I only say could be, perhaps if this is one's first journey through comics and they picked up one issue expecting Miles and get Peter, or visa versa. Especially nowadays with the amount of varient covers, who exactly is on the front of the book isn't always who is actually inside the issue. Or how the big two often use one of their mainline comics to introduce heroes who then get their own runs.
For MJ, Kirsten Dunst and Insomniac. Insomniac MJ is so.. fucking.. annoying. All she does is complain about "not being your partner." And she nags about being treated like a damsel in distress, but when shes ACTUALLY IN DANGER, she expects Spider-Man to save her. Like what the fuck man. She wants to be a hero so bad but like, CAN U LIFT 10 TONS WITH YOUR BARE HANDS? like, jesus she is so annoying. Atleast Raimi MJ was bearable, insomniac is just so annoying
Insomniac Venom was definitely a good adaptation. Yes it wasn't Eddie Brock, but the Character still hit the classic venom strigs. Made Peter Bully Mcguire, then bonded to another person who had history with Peter, the 2 get into an epic fight...round and round we go. It was definitely more emotional this time, but it worked all things considered. Besides if they do decide to make a venom spin off game, then the blue prints for the classic rivalry are their. Venom possibly didn't die and is now looking for revenge against pete, plus we still have the Carnage story to follow up on, so you never know.....
i think the reason electro was so weird and changes to his backstory was cause of the james cameron 90s film so they wouldn't confuse people with continuity and when the cameron film got cancelled they didn't have much to work with in the 90s show
I've been a Spider-man fan my whole life and Insomniac's venom is my favorite venom in any movie , show or video game . I just want Venom to be scary not goofy
Totally respect your opinion. Just had one thought reading this so imma share, tell me to fuck off and thats it no more replies from me. The thought being: Why change Venom to be something hes not when Riot and Carnage exist. The evil horrific versions of Venom
@@aligameover6138 no! Thats why we love Venom, hes a very complex character He starts off as a horror monster like Michael Myers. He stalks Peter in the dark. Hes not mindless, hes cunning in how he wants to torment Peter mentally. He wants to make Peter peranoid and feel unsafe. Venom doesnt go straight to violence cause he isnt a mindless brute. He genuinely hates Spiderman and wants to make his life hell. Just killing him with punches isnt enough for him. Later when Eddie realizes how hateful and horrible hes become. He seeks help from Spiderman and they become partners, its a long road but he learns to love instead of only hate. And heres when the more goofy moments happen, but its nice cause it shows his growth. And it isnt weird because he used to always use his words when tormenting Peter like asking how Aunt May is doing. Just now he directs them towards enemies and not Spiderman. He toys with his foes with words because he likes seeing them feel unsafe We love Venom for going from a cunning tormentor, to a cunning friend. If we just want to see an alien goop monster who only wants to see death and destruction and kills first thinks second. Then we turn to Riot and Carnage. They're perfect at what they do like Venom is perfect at what he does Hope i didn't talk for too long, and im not trying to change your mind, i just love talking about a character i love. If you love Insomniac Venom, then good! I love him too, his fight was awesome. Hes just not THE Venom to me ^^
To be fair on the Black Cat one, she doesn't really push for Peter to be evil and take over the world until she herself is under the influence of her own symbiote. Until then she just acts as her normal seductive bad influence for Peter. She starts out all "let's have a little fun" to "let's dominate the earth" and it's 100% the symbiote that is still attached to her in Web of Shadows.
I personally like the way Insomniac strayed away from iconic stuff to more refreshed things like Venom being Harry. Now lets be honest. You'd complain if Venom was Eddie without setup or a proper connection between him and Peter. Making Harry Venom worked better with the setup from the previous games. We knew it was coming but lots of us were coping hard. While on Venom, if i had to pick a favorite adaptaion and a least favorite one, my most would have to be Spectacular because of the story and the black suit arc. Least would be Raimi from a weak design and a not so monstrous voice.
With all due respect, hard disagree on Insomniac's Venom. First off I'm okay with him not being Eddy Brock and Insomniac changing his story a little bit. Insomniac's Spider-Man is not going for a hard adaptation of the Comics, Norman Osborne is the Mayor, Miles exists in this universe, and other villains have their looks and backstories changed a little bit, there's even a comic spin off of this specific universe. As for him being too serious, I think the jury is still out on that one. In the beginning of the story when Harry first has the symbiote and isn't venom yet, he acts like a goofball. The Symbiote also bonded with Peter and he still had his quips early on when he had it. There is going to be a Venom spin off that will most likely flesh out his character more, and I think that's when we'll see the more goofball like Venom, the hulking monster Venom was just his introduction. Also I am just now playing Spider-Man 2, I just got to where Harry goes on a rampage as Venom so please no spoilers (I know I ran the risk of this by writing, but I had opinions I wanted to get out )
Finally someone said it. Insomniac Venom is a TERRIBLE version of the character, and yet I’ve seen that portrayal receive nothing but almost unilateral praise. Marvel needs to stop trying to make Harry Venom work, because it never will. Add on top of that, Venom’s plan in the game and his behaviors throughout make NO sense in terms of the classic character. He’s basically just another big dumb city-destroying apocalyptic threat, which isn’t at all what makes Venom so compelling. He’s a very deeply personal character, and the second you get rid of that, all you have left is what you get in the game. A mindless monster with a Saturday morning cartoon villain’s plan and utterly non-existent characterization.
I don't know when Venom became a funny goofy dude, but I can assure you that he has a sick and evil humor. Not in a goofy, but more like a sinister way. Like in Spectacular Spider-Man. That was a good representation. Never seen SM: Unlimited, it's not my SM show. Insomniac's Venom was refreshing because he was a villain again and not a friendly neighborhood antihero. Yes, he did not have Eddie's motivation since he's not Eddie. But it's definitely Venom since he has that manipulative nature to it. And to be fair, Harry had bigger issues than Eddie did. Eddie lost his job and his carreer, Harry thought he was ditched when he was straight-up DYING. And this is why the line "We are strong. And healthy. This is what you wanted. Isn't it?" hit so much stronger towards Norman, because Norman was the one who put Harry in that container. And I am absolutely offended how you did not mention Sam Raimi's Venom. I prefer Venom to be a hulking talking monster with motivation rather than a weak-ass screaming parasite which is only good for a suit.
I'm gonna stand here and defend MCU flash by saying that if you go back to read the Ditko era, Flash there was also such a fucking dingus, making his Spider-man fan club and getting his ass owned every issue. He was less Peter's bully and more his petty rival classmate, so it's def more comic accurate than most adaptations already. Also, if you gonna adapt a bully teenager character in the modern age, having a wedgie-giving, lunch-money-stealing jock ain't the way to do it. that shit just doesn't exist anymore. So honestly, having Tony Revolini funny moments and being a cocky dumb preppy is a rich decition, but for what it is, it works.
Theres a difference between an adaptation and a different version of a character insomniac venom is their own version of that character and imo his portrayal and motivations work well in the context of the insomniac story
I think you kinda missed the point of insomniacs Venom. He’s not meant to be the loveable goofball he is in the comics and movies. If he was more of a fun character it would’ve taken away a lot of the impact of his scenes and his purpose in the narrative. He’s the main villain of the game and in order to make this villain leave an impact on the narrative he needed to be much more serious and threatening. But he’s not just a giant hulking monster like you described him as. Venom wants to heal people and the only way he believes to do that is by infecting them. Also just because it’s not Eddie doesn’t automatically make it bad. Having Eddie be venom in this story would’ve felt forced and unnecessary. I could go more into detail as to why this depiction of Venom isn’t bad but it’s 1:00 am and I’m tired.
I think as his own character Insomniac Venom is fine. He’s written more like a natural disaster caused by human failure than a rounded character with motivations. I would like to see him get a carved out spot in that universe but it is what it is. I kind of view it as a better handled version of the Ultimate Spiderman cartoon venom mixed with Web of Shadows venom which has the same problems as insomniac venom except without the built in build up to the monster venom. My personal worst venom is probably that Ultimate Spiderman cartoon venom. Unlimited venom was pretty bad but at least he had a really great episode with Eddy in that cartoon.
The Lizard 2017 and The Lizard from MTv Spider-Man are a Tie, who the hell was thinking that turning New York City into a lizard would be a good idea? Also in MTv Spider-Man we BARELY see the Lizard, Spidey just pursue a dark lethal monster who it's supposed to be Dr Connors but he barely looks like a lizard. Kraven in Ultimate Spiderman also breaks the "hunting with bare hands" thing of Kraven, he takes all the Hydra Upgrades to fight Spiderman instead of hunting him. Also, Spectacular Spiderman Kraven was the 1st version I met.
I kind of get your point about Venom in insomniac not being goofy, but I don’t understand why he should be goofy. Venom was goofy because he appeared in early Spiderman media which itself was usually goofy for kids. Every Spiderman villain was goofy at some point, but most of them evolved to actually be villains you’re supposed to take seriously. If green goblin can go from being goofy as hell in the 90s to being a psychopath in the live action movies and being seen as cool, why does Venom have to stay in the box of being a goofy character to laugh at. His origin story wasn’t really at all funny enough to warrant him bring goofy in the first place because he was had a more tragic/serious origin. Venom felt abandoned by Spiderman and Eddie felt sabotaged by Spiderman. Their bond at first is entirely based around an unhealthy vendetta against spider man along with a blind wrath towards people that get in the way of their goals. That doesn’t sound like a goofy character. At least not to me. I respect your view of Venom regardless though. Goofy Venom is hilarious. Is it at all a weird or uncommon opinion that I like the cartoon design that gives him lips?
Venom appeared at the peak of edgy abd dark comics in the 90s. Nothing for really for kids back then. Everything was ained towards edgy teenagers that wanted darker and cooler stories, hence the name "Lethal Protector". Him being goofy is a personality trait
@chandllerburse737 ngl I knew he first appeared during the edgy days of comics, but when I meant "goofy in his first appearance" I meant his first appearance on TV. My bad. I don't think Venom not being a complete monster is a good excuse for Marvel to make goofy part of his character though. He can be a serious character with no humor and still be written as an genuinely compelling anti hero.
The hell are you talking about? I played Spider-Man 2 and he's right Insomniac Venom is the worst he's just a monster who's evil for literally no reason
@@ZachZonebe fr right now 💀 The Symbiote is just straight up an evil monster using both peter and Harry for what he wants and at one point instead of just finding an host now he wants to take over earth because??? The Symbiote shouldn't be evil it's should be s creature who wants to create a bond but it enhances the host's negative emotions
I’m not really familiar with most adaptations but I will say that o personally liked Spider-Man 2’s Venom. Sure, it’s not Eddie, but I feel like it could feel forced if they included him, and hey, Insomniac is apparently open to doing a venom spinoff game if enough people are interested, maybe Eddie will be in that game? I also don’t mind how “not venom” this venom is because every version of venom I’ve seen has been wildly different, and venom’s plan in this game was just Web of Shadows all over again…as someone who loves that game, this is the OPPOSITE of a problem. I was actually cool with most of the takes in this video because all the arguments just seemed to be “this isn’t for me” and not “they butchered this character on every level and the people who made this deserve eternal damnation”……some people do take their adaptations that seriously
I actually really like Venom in Spider-Man 2 but I definitely only enjoy him in the symbiote context, reflecting the worst versions of Peter, Harry, MJ, and spreading to other innocent people. The actual character of Venom himself is definitely not represented in this game basically at all which I understand being disappointing, but I'm okay with it in the context of the story
Dawg I’ve been watchin a ton of your videos, love all of them but I really love how like honest you are, love that you respond to peoples comments and will talk about your opinions even change them when good opinions are brought up, bravo to you dawg
aye i appreciate that man. I read a lot of spider-man and watch a lot. But i dont know everything. its important to recognize others may know more about a topic than you do! Appreciate the love yo
I feel like Spider-Man Unlimited’s Green Goblin should get a pass because it’s a complete different character. It’s not really an adaptation more like an alternate version
He's still a green goblin adaptation, though. He counts
Edit: Yeah, I agree with you now. The replies made good points.
He still takes the mantle of the goblin
@@KillerMoth3663it’s not an adaptation, it’s a reimagining of the character. The ultimate series in general is less of an adaptation and more of a creative reimagining since the purpose of the series was to remake the series and put brand new spins on iconic characters. They weren’t trying to adapt or repeat what they’ve been doing for decades. Most adaptations make minor changes to lore here and there, maybe some changes are less minor than others but they don’t change TOO much. But a reimagining is a totally different thing that flips the lore on his head
@@KillerMoth3663 Its the same situation as spidergwen though.
I thought the ultimate green goblin wasn’t that bad, looks better than just a green guy on flying kite
The fact that he couldn’t find a bad adaptation of Triple J goes to show how often Spider-Man media gets him right and I love it
I mean there's not much to get him wrong either
Because it's all J.K. Simmons 💀
@@bananaman8274 not every Jonah is played by JK Simmons, just most of them
I don't like that JJJs positive sides haven't been featured in the MCU.
@@erlendkaarb2038 there are a few signs of it being shown like when Green Goblin was questioning him on where Peter Parker was and Jonah didn’t rat him out
I think you were wrong about Lizard. The worst adaptation is definitely from the 2017 cartoon. Connors is a horrible person who exposes Peter's identity to frame him. There's no emotional attachment to Peter, and he is a useless lizard.
Agreed. Not sympathetic
Hmmm I def think that’s a very awful rendition of the character. Idk how I let him slip through this video
@@spidermania hmmm. Idk. You could make a comment and pin it, or just mention it in a later video saying you changed your mind? Idk 🤣
@@KillerMoth3663 lots of people suggested doing a sequel video so don’t be surprised to see it there
@@spidermania ok thanks. I saw another comment thread where you and others were discussing green goblin too, I'll watch when the next one comes out
"Venom is goofy, even as a villain" "Gwen Stacy in comics was a bland character"
Proof that this guy has actually read the comics and isn't just repeating what others have said.
Literally I was shocked when bro spit that trash at me
@@spidermania I think bro was agreeing with you
@@rayv6671 ah shit Lmfaoooo
Damn i definitely misread what you wrote and I’d like to apologize for my statements LOL
I take full responsibility for my comments I appreciate you looking out for me
Venom is goofy as a character tho. At least when he first started out he was goofy
I was laughing so hard when you pulled out the Incredible Hulk TV show from the 70s and a Wii game as worst adaptations for Kingpin and Lizard😂😂😂
Bruh those to were EASILY THE WEIRDEST lol
@@spidermania Okay, but have you seen Kingpin's appearance in the Spider-Woman cartoon from the 70s? He turns invisible, but you still know where he is at all times, because he's constantly eating and we can see the food.
@@spidermania Tbh I like the trial of the incredible hulk's version of Kingpin, similar to JJJ, I don't think we really have a bad on screen depiction of the character
@@davidbjacobs3598 I’ll definitely have to rewatch I do not remember that at all LOL
@@davidbjacobs3598 THERE WAS A SPIDER-WOMAN CARTOON?!
The problem with insomniacs venom is it being just a “goo hulk”. He can’t swing from webs (which is a venom trait passed from the host), doesn’t act like a spider neither nor does he joke with Parker a lot. Venom is a character that is the most iconic spiderman villain and he’s supposed to act like his “poison”. The emblem on the chest represents his spider like abilities yet isn’t. I can do this all day but I hope y’all get the point
they even copied the scene of Hulk where he jumps at an airborne object shooting at him and then repeatedly punching that object from Avengers movie and yeah u nailed Venom's description
Insomniac's Venom is like 10 feet something, which automatically makes him bigger than most versions of the Hulk.
He's not supposed to even in the comics he's still very different from Spider-Man everyone thinks Venom is just supposed to be an evil Spider-Man but he is so much more way much more Venom's whole purpose was to take over the world and infect people with the Symbiote that was his original purpose later on it begins to become destroying Spider-Man plus all are just finding something to complain about cuz I guarantee you if Venom was exactly like Spider-Man you wouldn't want to play the game and you'd probably say "there's nothing different Venom is just evil Spider-Man with a black suit"
Venom is literally just Knull Harbringer in this game. His entire personality is "Goo and Angry at Spider-Man" and:
Eddie Venom was massive cause Eddie himself was Massive. Symbiotes still have limits how much They can spread and grow. Carnage had to 24/7 eat meat to grow enough mass to take over small city. This Venom have unlimited goo and is Hulk sized.
Venom was Goofy, he was Goofy even when as Villain which was Mentioned in Video.
He dies, like dies dies and his personality makes it really hard to see potential Venom Spin Off (No way They dont have plan with there being entire fully Playable Venom Segment) and believe he Lethal Protector now. Venom did bad stuff but wasnt stereotypical Alien Invader.
@@theoneperson3996 incorrect if you think his personality is goo and mad at Spider-Man you didn't pay attention to the game personality is so much more than that yes symbiotes have limits but with meteorite from their planet make some more stronger even in comics he can spread without having to eat anything as long as he has the meteorite also that's not really true cuz Eddie in the Tom Hardy Universe still massive Eddie Brock isn't massive in the comics there's been some times where Eddie Brock wasn't massive and Venom still was all this to say Venom is a symbiote who bonds with his host emotions towards Spider-Man are loving and caring not hatred if you play the game venom has Harry's emotions meaning he truly cares about Spider-Man thinks what he's doing is right thinks what he's doing is helping people but at the same time symbiote itself also wants to spread
I actually really liked the Insomniac version of Venom. They did say it would be different going in, plus there’s a spinoff on the way so I’m not counting it out yet. If I was to give a worse version of Venom, I’d say the Ultimate Spider-Man (TV) version. Every other version the symbiote is an alien from space, that version is made out of spidey’s blood and insecurities and they would find the stupidest ways to keep bringing it back
criminal he didnt mention that one
Oh hell no. That very clearly goes to Sonyverse Venom.
A lot of Ultimateverse got stupid as it dragged on but Ultimate Venom's debut storyline was some of the best Spidey content period and a high point of Ultimate Spider Man, there's a reason they had Symbiote Ultimate Spidey in Shattered Dimensions. And Insomniac's Harry Osborne is basically Ultimate Eddie Brock in everything but name (with a tiny dash of ASM2 Harry thrown in for spice); clearly Ultimate got some stuff very right and fundamentally understood the core elements of why Venom is one of Spider Man's 3 archfoes.
Venom movie Venom strips away almost every aspect of Venom that matters and turns him into the homeless loser of symbiotes along the way, to such a degree that some of his most iconic design aspects and powers (like shooting webs and having the spider symbol) can't even be justified in the continuity. It would be like if Nintendo announced the Zelda movies wouldn't have Link but the first film is a Dark Link movie without Link even being in the continuity.
I'd sooner have faith in a solo Green Goblin movie than I would a solo Venom movie, it was about the worst idea they could have come up with to try and start "spider man universe without spider man"- let's pick the one character who is literally verbatim called "the evil spider man" and "the shadow of Spider Man whose existence is intrinsically and forever linked to his past" by Stan Lee.
@@JacobNintendoNerd99 I'm not talking about the comics. I'm talking about the version they did for TV where eddie brock was not in it at all
@@funsquidtag5063 Oh shit. That makes more sense.
Damn shared titles and non specific version namings!
@@JacobNintendoNerd99 All good. I should have specified it was the tv version. I have no hate for the comic version. In fact I think they actually look quite cool
To be fair... Insomniac did say that their version of Venom was a completely different approach and original take on the character. So I don't think you can really compare Insomniac Venom to classic Venom.
Still a bad Adaption
@@xeibei4804 we can agree to disagree.
@@xeibei4804definitely not worse than Raimi's SM3 Venom lmfao
@@xeibei4804Still way better than both of Sony’s attempts at Venom.
@@scivoidwell, harry has been venom before so I don’t think he should be dunked on just for that
Spider-Man 2 Mysterio was my first introduction to the character. I liked how he had a more alien vibe than other adaptations. The funhouse of doom level was one of my favorite parts of the game.
I love his final "fight." It's so silly and had me laughing hysterically. Great memory!
@@davidbjacobs3598 that was a perfect way to end his character in the game. The whole time I thought Mysterio was a real villain and the game was building him up to be a big scary boss… only for him to go down with one punch at a grocery store. Then he was revealed to be Quentin Beck and the whole Mysterio persona was fake. You could imagine how I reacted as a kid. It’s a very accurate portrayal of Mysterio in my opinion.
his whole arc (including the quentin back challenges) is my fav. part in the whole gameXD
The alien motif was in the comics as faked being a alien they just amped it up in the game
The movie Venom is quite honestly, one of the best adaptations. Yes his origin is different but the character? Dude is basically Lethal Protector and Neversoft Venom and he steals the show everytime he speaks. Miles better than many versions that erase the humor out of him (Like Friends or Foe, Mua3 and Raimi3) and expecially better than the mindless creature we see in Ultimate Spiderman.
if you're talking about the Ultimate Spider-Man game its a great adaptation of the Ultimate comics
Thats not venom. Thats the coockie monster
Thank god someone else agrees. Venom is single handedly my favorite marvel, hell, even comic book character in general, and the movie version was great. Sure it wasn’t traditional and didn’t have Spider-Man, but I think the way they handled it was fine, and the venom-Eddie relationship was perfectly portrayed in a goofy like manner, especially in venom 2. And carnage in that movie was dope too, he got too much hate.
@@CrazyEight-art sure and spectacular spiderman is a garbage show with the worst venom ever...
@@Muksss a great adaptation of the worst Venom ever who was written by a Venom hater (because a mindless monster is apparently better than nuanced mix of humor and grotesque). Hence a garbage adaptation of the original character
Matthew Lillard as carnage with Andrew coming back would’ve been a dream come true 😢
lillard would make a great carnage if it's still 2011 with tobey spidey
lillard would make a great carnage if it's still 2011 with tobey spidey
I don’t think insomniac’s venom should be called bad just for not being Eddie and having a different motivation. Sure, The Dialogue Can Be Confusing As You Wonder If Venom’s Talking Or Harry But The Thought Of Him Doing All Of This To Heal People But Seeing It Through A Twisted Lens Makes A Cool Idea And Venom Is Just A Beast As He Killed The Man That Killed HALF Of The Sinister 6 And Wasn’t Even Impressed. Also, I Can’t Tell If You Don’t Like Him Having The Gooey Tendrils But If So, I’m Wondering If You Know What Symbiote’s Are And They’re Abilities Because That Is A Normal Attribute Of Symbiote’s And Can Form Objects Like Bombs Or Scythes Easily. Also, just because he isn’t as goofy doesn’t mean he’s bad. Sure, the whole darker venom isn’t the same as the original but it’s still a great adaptation and Harry doesn’t want revenge on Peter so there’s no reason to make many quips against him as his motivation is to Help everyone. To Improve everyone. To heal everyone. Next, the hulking beast thing isn’t that amazing but it’s still good. The way your describing him makes him seem like he’s not always a giant or big or muscular and if he wasn’t then we’d be closer to just having another spider-man 3 movie venom. This venom is good so I don’t think he deserves the hate your laying down on him
an adaptation means you're adapting something. And they adapted only the design. It isnt the same character, same motivations, same personality. The only thing they have in common is the looks and the name. And the reason for they name are totally different too. One is because of the venom eddie and the symbiote feel towards peter/spidey the other is just cause it sounds cool
@freddycashbear2164 Sonys Venom at least gave the character a bit of personality, outside of mindlessly killing people and taking over the city like some generic forgettable super villain.
Yeah, I don't like how everyone hates an adaptation because it's different and newer , that's called nostalgia at its worst . Doing something new makes things interesting
Also did everyone forget about WOS Venom , he's basically the same idea as Insomniac Venom , he's not comic accurate at all and doesn't have the same anti-heroic goofy personality as the original Venom yet I see nobody complaining about him nor saying that this was a disservice to the character, again another example that proves that nostalgia is one of the reasons because people will say WOS is better SM2 because of nostalgia
That might be true, but for me the worst venom is still Insomniacs for various reasons. And the ultimate cartoon show
They actually did Venom perfect it is really good Venom's original purpose was to spread the Symbiote and infect the Earth in the comics I'm glad that they made that similar and not just made him hate Spider-Man I'm glad they gave him more purpose than to just hate Spider-Man and as for the dialogue it's not really confusing he's trying to trick Peter into letting him quote on quote Heal the World but also maintaining a symbiotic Bond meaning that there is a double meaning behind the whole Heal the World thing part of Venom which is Harry wants to heal the world with Peter the other part of venom wants to spread the Symbiote like he was supposed to do since the Symbiote does heal people they decided to do both
Nah bro insomniac venom def gets a free pass
Its not like any other venom
He has a diff host so like that’s why his intentions are different
You know venom has had different host before its just that Eddie is the main continuity host but I agree insomniac did a good job idc
Questions for you: Venom is Eddie and the symbiote, they named themselves that because they don't like Spidey. Why does Harry name himself venom? What part of Harry hates Peter enough that he would feasibly, want to even be poison to Spider-Man?
@@k2tme451 the symbiote in the game was called venom coz the canister in which the symbiote was had a code name
And that code name was vnm 262
@@ItzApotato5907 So it got its name from human serial numbers, on a canister. Almost like it was obligatory to name him that and not because of the character's own motivations.
That’s a dumb excuse for a video about adaptions. That’s if I’m making a tire list on how faithful different adaptations are to their source material, but I Ignore one of them for whatever the reason is.
Venom 2 trying to make Carnage a sympathetic villain was an atrocity. Carnage's entire personality is that he is irredeemably evil.
How was he sympathetic?
@@kendi5391 They said his parents beat him or something that was why he was evil
@@dangerousdays2052 He still pushed Grandma of the stairs, killed mom, dad and the dog.
He was bullied by other kids there but that's about it as far as I remember.
Besides it's not sympathetic but more so understanding why he is the way he is if that makes sense.
That work with Thanos.
@@mayotango1317 Comic Thanos was better because he was literally in love with Death and that's a new level of crazy. Movie Thanos didn't even make sense because the infinity gauntlet could make more resources.
2:51 Utterly perplexed that he can say this stuff about this version of venom, and yet the Spider-Man 3 version apparently gets a free pass.
Yeah that automatically makes his opinion invalid
Ya’ll ain’t wrong about Eddie in Spider-Man 3, but did ya’ll not find Symbiote Tobey goofy and funny in that movie?
Sh sh sh shhhhut up
@@starvedeggmanissocool nnnnnn nooooo
The worst JJJ is Lego marvel super heroes. His voice is HORRENDOUS
I don’t hate insomniac venom but he did need more time in the game than they gave him but let’s hope they bring him back and make it eddie
Edit:
So I just found out about the leaks about insomniac roadmap, I can laugh the people who thought Venom wouldn’t come back
He wont come back we see the symbiot die
@@xeibei4804 well carnage is coming and we didn’t find out where the piece of venom’s tongue went. And venom is one of the biggest spider man characters it wouldn’t surprise if me he comes back
@@xeibei4804they're hoping to make a Venom game, so they very much might come back.
@@anidiot192i cant imagine them doing it. It already took them so long to release spiderman 2 now they gotta make a nee game for miles, spiderman 3 the wrap up the goblin stuff and are making a wolvering game. I hope tho they do
Either way, he still was way better than Sony’s Venom.
The Insomniac Venom was different, but I still think he was pretty cool
Spider-Man: Lotus version of Peter Parker/Spider-Man are worse version adaptation of Spidey at all!
As bad as it is, it's not official, so i guess it doesn't really count
• Spider-man unlimited goblin could be pretty interesting if he was own character. Though might need to to make him look less like green goblin and vulture if that happened.
• Live-action carnage was bad but his design was FIRE. Also are you sure spider-man unlimited isn't the worst?
• What do you think are the best and worst adaptions of scorpion, tombstone and hammerhead?
Live action Carnage looked almost as bad as he was written. They got nearly everything fundamentally wrong with his design, they literally just went "red Venom"
I do prefer Carnage when he is smaller than Venom tho. makes him look more like a neferious little goblin. just an absolute bloodthirsty gremlin
@@GreaserMan Describe how you would design him.
@@Coconut_Prrson I do agree that carnage should be leaner and more lightly built. But I have no problem if they have the same height, even if that isn't the usual.
@@lbrett7054 Blood red colour. More distinct difference between red and black. Black teeth. Pink mouth. No tongue. Shoe feet. Played by Cameron Monaghan. Ya know, Carnage.
You know fans of Insomniac's Venom have never touched a comic in their lives.
Me personally, the only take I disagree with from this video is Venom only because it’s a different variant of the character. Venom has had a handful of hosts: Eddie Brock, Harry Osborn, Mac Gargan, Flash Thompson, etc. That is why I can understand the changes to the character in the Spider-Man 2. It is the best portrayal for a Harry Osborn Venom, which there haven’t been many, but as a whole I think he is a good Venom overall
Also people were saying venom was supposed to be goofy, but this version of venom is more similar to Ultimate Spiderman (comics) venom and web of shadows venom, who both were serious
Also I thought venom was more goofy because he bonded with Deadpool first before Peter
2017 show Miles is a more terrible adaptation. He has nothing to really set him apart from Peter, he is too close to age to him, he goes to the smart school with Peter too. He's just bland.
You just described every miles comic book
I did like the episode in Spider-Man Unlimited where Venom was separated from the symbiote and we got to see Eddie Brock as a person and see his sympathetic side when being nursed back to health.
Swapping out Eddie Brock with Harry Osborn was an excellent move on Insomniac’s part because the writing on his arc is nearly flawless. Harry was a dying man who wanted to heal the world, and the symbiote offered him a twisted version of that dream through turning others into symbiote infected zombies. The game made Venom more than just a stalker out to kill Spider-Man. Venom was actually a threat to the safety of not only New York City but the entire planet. And his relations with Peter (being that Harry is his best friend) as well his motivations makes Venom a very sympathetic character. And Tony Todd has given us one of the best comic book villain performances of all time to boot. He is better then the movie versions of Venom Insomniac version is one of the best. But at least you put Spider Man Unlimited instead.
For Electro, it should have been the 2017 cartoon instead. They gender swapped that character. 90s Electro is peak even if it wasn't Max Dillion
Not really the Symbiote is evil for no reason and out of nowhere it comes with the "let's take over the city" and I don't like how they blame everything on it like with peter it's like "I wasn't angry it was the Symbiote it's all his fault" when the Symbiote doesn't do that he enhances your negative emotions it doesn't just make them out of nowhere
@@Manuelaiello204 no, it didn't came out of nowhere. The symbiote thinks it's full filling Harry's dream of wanting to heal the world. The symbiote didn't become evil for no reason. Once it touches the meteorite, it gains the memory on when it first crash lands on Earth. Plus every version of the symbiote is like that. Where the more Peter keeps it then the more it alters his personality and makes him aggressive. That part stayed true to the source material and as seen in previous iterations like Spider Man 3, 90s and Spectacular Spider Man
They got venoms characterization completely wrong as the video said. All venom was was an evil hulking goo monster with a meatpuppet kid host named Harry. He didn’t have any of the real venoms motivations
@Yurislug Yeah, and the original version has been sidelined or further added after the 90s show. And even then, i think there's been some comics that show that the symbiote was being more hostile with crime while Peter was asleep. So it's not like the symbiote isn't prone to commit heinous acts thinking its what the host wants (insomniac venom)
@Yurislug then why is Peter blaming it on the symbiote saying things like "you will lose yourself".
Calling insomniac venom one of the worst venoms when Spider-Man 3 exist is crazy
For real he was a fucking tank machine in the game.
Spider-Man 3 Venom is the most accurate in terms of origin because originally venom said “I “and not “we” and it didn’t increase his size Eddie was just unnaturally buff for a reporter plus it had inspiration from ultimate Eddie Brock if you compared the two eddie Brock’s side by side so it was a fusion of ultimate Eddie Brock and 616 symbiote. Sony venom is the most inaccurate in terms of origin but it nails how wacky venom is and the friendship between Eddie and the symbiote.
Honestly, I kinda disagree on Insomniac's Venom. It's a canon thing that the Symbiote chooses different hosts. Such as Mac Gargan being an occasional host. And Harry was Venom in Ultimate Spider-Man. Insomniac confirmed they wanted a different take on Venom from the comics, because they don't want to retread old stories. And I didn't think he was goofy. He was threatening, and more importantly, he's an antagonist to both Peter and Spider-Man, hence why Harry had to be Venom. Stan Lee said Venom is a mix of Peter and Spider-Man's enemy. But it's your opinion. I subbed btw. 😉
He didnt say he was goofy he said he wanted him to be goofy because thats what venom normally is
@@ms_0317, I misheard then. Fair enough, but it still fits in with the fact that they wanted a different perspective on Venom's character.
@batmanarkhamfan-cr4do, he wants to do more than take over the world. He wants to save or "Heal" the world. He is Venom in the narrative of the story because he's an antagonist to Peter and Spider-Man. With Harry being Venom, he wants to save the world by turning people into Symbiote zombies, because the Symbiote was keeping Harry stable, slowing his disease. The Symbiote in the game genuinely cared about Peter, and was hurt by being rejected by him. It's actually more fleshed out than in the comics or other media imo.
@batmanarkhamfan-cr4do, Yeah. I'm on the camp that the Symbiote doesn't really turn people dark. Instead, it helps them let out their negative emotions that they repress. So if anything, the Symbiote is a victim as well. We're gonna have to wait and see, because Tony Todd confirmed that there are unused Venom dialogue we have yet to hear. Either way, I liked Venom in Ps4 2.
14:16 Really, I mean it's still far better than the emo mutant kid version of Vulture from the Ultimate Spider-Man series, he's got a interesting backstory but the design and character does not work for me. They could have gone with the bald senior-citizen instead
You should do *BEST costumes for EVERY spider-man character*
Not a bad idea homie
Well actually venom and andrew spiderman are actually in the same universe since they are in sony and venom lives in San Francisco while andrew spiderman lives in new york so thats why spiderman wasn't there.
Insomniac venom could have been a really good adaptation, but because insomniac were rushed, his motives were ass, his behavior was annoying, being a tantrum murder thrower, if his behavior wasn’t so bad he could be very well received, his voice was very good for venom, his abilities were top notch, bringing his wings, something a lot of adaptations miss, his strength and corruption, he had such great potential, but Sony had to be filthy money hungry Jew like rats, and they ruined spider man 2 entirely, for what could’ve been another hit game
My opinion is that Edward Brock has been used too many times. I felt a break when insomniac chose Harry Osborn.
I'm confused what do you mean by that
@@springsaber He means the fact that the Symbiote was given to Harry for a change instead of Eddie like usual. Not a lot to be confused about.
hopefully Green Goblin is a random person in the next game since they have used Norman Osborn too much😂😂
@@walterandrews4985 Your comment instantly lost any value the second you used cringe emojis like a FaceBook mom.
Edit: I like how you accused me of not arguing against the point being made, when in reality I just didn't think that your comment had any worth to it to even warrant a debate. Also me not wanting to argue against some tool on the internet makes me a "gen z twitter brain"? Dude, I was born in the 90s, try to actually be creative in a comment section next time.
@@superstarultra instead of arguing the point being made, try to talk trash. Definitely a gen z twitter brain 😂
The 90s adaptation making Electro red skull’s sun is so hilarious to me. Like show-runners famous for not even allowing Spider-Man to throw punches because it needs to be child appropriate turned around and went “hmmmm how do we make this character less boring for kids watching?Oh I know let’s make him a Nazi that’ll make him cool!”
2:52 Ok respectfully disagreeing,insomniac venom is one of the best adaptations,venom by himself is goofy and fun,but the spiders see him as a big hulking monster,I know he’s unable to web swing and that’s ass,but still venom is a dark character too he’s eaten brains,killed uncle Ben in other universes,actually tried to kill Spider-Man’s girlfriend,assaulted eddies gf,got it on with a corpse,and did it with another corpse,and he’s also eaten hulk. Venom is a very fucked up piece of shit and they got that right in the games
LMAO this was awful to read. Insomniac venom is garbage.
WOW what a supprise.
venom has a different motivation because his host is not eddie brock but a guy whos main goal in life after nearly dying to a disease is to heal the world
i am truely shocked that he is different then comic venom with a completly different motivation.
also on a serious note he is goffy in the game sometimes given his short screentime.
he acts tough and all that but then goes "last chance,last chance, join us this is your last chance" multiple times showing his sorta soft side of harry and the symbiote who wants peter back
or when he "acts" like he need peter's help and all that then when peter arrives goes "thanks for coming pete"
and his line when they got to the school right before he and peter are about to fight he says "this is where we became best friends" which is also kinda goffy but fits consedring harry is the host
while yes he isnt like comic venom because he dosent have a lot of screentime like comic venom nor he will probably never appear in insomniac universe cuz bro is dead
Goffy? You mean goofy?
Ehh, I wished Venom got more screen time in Insomniac Spiderman2. I think that would have made the character a lot better imo. Honestly, I don’t think the game was cooking fr. Too many story lines and they didn’t even end well.
I feel like everybody gets the whole "they're not a match" thing wrong with Carnage in Venom 2. I believe that they were basically the perfect match that we know them to be in the comics but if you remember when they are said not to be a match it is when carnage starts strangling Shriek which I believe is the one thing Cletus and the symbiote didn't agree on. So when Carnage tried to kill Shriek and Cletus tried stopping him I think it just STOPPED them from being symbiotic and the perfect match but before that they basically were since they had the same goal and where bonded on a molecular level as we see with Carnages abilities in the film.
The fact that Cletus even had romantic feelings towards Shriek is what killed the character for me. Cletus is a psychopath and he’s sees Shriek as only an acquaintance at best. The only thing they have in common is their desire for Mayhem. Carnage could care less what happens to Shriek.
I forgot that unlimited made Venom and Carnage brothers
People seriously need to stop hating on Insomniac’s Venom. They have said this already, IT WOULD NOT HAVE MADE SENSE TO MAKE EDDIE VENOM IN THE STORY.
Peter no longer works at the Bugle meaning he can’t screw up Eddie’s career (this is circumstantial so there’s a chance he still can).
And Harry had been set up as Venom in the last two games so there was literally no going back.
Stop hating on Harry, he’s a good Venom, just let it rest.
Eddie or not he's still an all around poorly written character. Harry is maybe the worst Venom host we have ever seen.
@@worm9591Harry still had a better reason and carried a lot more emotional impact than Eddie with his "You got me fired so I'm mad"
@@worm9591Ultimate Spider-man’s incel Venom would like a word.
10:26 I will grant you this, but Insomniac's Kraven might beat this guy for me. It's a video game and in video games you need waves and waves of nameless goons to smack around for exp points, so now Kraven has his own mini army. Yeah, Kraven comes from a wealthy family or something, but I don't know if it's enough to fund his own plethora of soldiers, guns, vehicles, drones, robot dogs and his own cage-fight arena. He's Kraven the HUNTER, not Kraven the Cobra Commander. He's supposed to be jumping from roof to roof and throwing spears, not firing machine guns from a jet plane. Let's not forget how he just casually kills some of the other villains he'd more likely team up with, no doubt in some attempt to make him more manacing, but just makes him look more Gray Stu.
I actually really like Spider-Man 2 mysterio. Probably because that was my first introduction to the character. But as a kid he creeped me out, I legit thought he was an alien. He’s probably the reason why I have a fear of aliens today.
1:40
That kids cartoon realized the issue about Miles and Peter called Spider-Man at the same time and actually gave him an original name.
Yeah, it's a stupid name, but hey, it's a kids show and at least it's an original name. Lemme say that again, a kids show actually recognized the Miles Spider-Man problem. A KIDS SHOW!
Don't even come at me, Miles needs his own name. I don't care if someone likes him as Spider-Man, he needs his own identity.
Saying a kids show did it, is because kids have a hard time differentiating and telling things apart.
You’re quite literally comparing your intelligence level to that of a 2 year old child. That’s the only reason they changed miles name in the show.
I really hope this helps but I doubt it will. The miles hate is so forced and doesn’t exactly listen to reason.
Have a good day.
I like both lethal protector venom (goofy and funny) and the big hulking venom and ig in the venom game you’re gonna get the venom that you want. But what I don’t agree at all with is that Harry had no motivation to him being venom he definitely did and venom doesn’t just have to be Eddie brock. Even in the comics venom has had other hosts.
The only reason he’s called venom is because of Eddie Brock.
14:02 I feel you buddy 😂 that was sooo hard back then when I was younger, but I appreciate that version of Mysterio mostly because it was my introduction to this character
I think Insomniac Venom gets away with not being Eddie because it would have felt so forced to just introduce him when there's so much going on. Also, I don't think Venom needed to be the more heroic version in this story because he was born out of rage and betrayal so to have him be a beast worked. Plus, Insomniac could probably expand on him later with the way it ended.
it wouldnt. They introduced otto in the first game just to make him the main villain and in this universe its official that eddie and peter already know eachother
@@nunogabriel646they already set up Harry
@@nunogabriel646not only did they already set up Harry as Venom for the past two games, S-M 2 has TWO protagonists in Peter and Miles. They would need to build up Peter's AND Miles's respective plotlines and arcs, while dealing with their own supporting characters, Harry's storyline and his ties to the Symbiote, and needing to find a balance without having one overshadow the other. Throwing Eddie into the mix would be contrived and make the story fall apart.
not at all, it would be much easier to make harry a side character and work on his relationship with peter and his new friends and introduce harry as a new villain. Cause peters plotline in this game involves his friends. The first game had to develop octavius into a villain and did it much better than with harry. Mr. I dont think 1 more character would've been the thing to make the story fall apart. Specially cause it is already rushed and harry as venom doesnt make any sense. So having eddie as venom would open doors for the game to be bigger and have better development and eddie being venom would be much easier to explain/believe@@maxximusprime2970
No, that Mysterio level in Spider-Man 2 (2004) platform/swinging thing was the worst, and I hated it, I played the level like yesterday, and it's easily the like top 3 worst levels in the game, mostly because you lose speed very fast and I had to swing back to the first platforms in order to gain speed
The thing with insomniacs venom is that it’s THEIR Venom.
He’ll probably be more like Venom IF they give him to Eddie.
But for now it’s just Venom on someone else which would make Venom different
The chance that they WON'T give Venom to Eddie in the planned Venom solo game Insomniac is making "if fans show interest" (translation: it's already in development & we're playing coy for an article) is comically low, heck they just may relegate Carnage to said spin-off & recreate Maximum Carnage but with Miles & Eddie instead of Peter, that'd be neat.
@@hsemicoloncwell Peter is supposed to be retired so it make since for those two to work together.
@@dante_0962 He is not retired, he is just taking a break.
The Raimi Flash is way worse than the MCU Flash in my opinion. Flash in the MCU reminds me of actual bullies from school, annoying kids who talk a lot of shit but wouldn't do anything. Raimi's Flashes most notable thing is him trying to beat up Peter at school, besides that he has zero character. MCU Flash is also a Spider-Man fanboy
No hate but i love spider-man 3s venom,hes everything i love about the character in one adaptation,and they removed a lot things that made the character goofy which i liked.
in my opinion, Venom in Spider-Man 3 is not so bad, he hardly conveyed the essence of Venom in the comics
Spider-Man fans see something different than what they’re used to and think it’s the worse thing ever
People having a different opinion than that means he automatically hates changes.
2017 Ben is so bad. Ben isn’t supposed to be smart, he’s a blue collar guy that’s does his best to be a father figure to Peter even though he can’t fill Richard Parker’s shoes
Yeah Venom is a goofy dude. Still like insomniac venom for what he is
Insomniac Mary Jane is definitely the worst. Wrong job, wrong dreams, completely different personality, and her hair is not even red in the 2nd game. It's a weird brown color.
I think imsomniac venom is perfect for the story, and the fact they went their own way is cool. Not everything has to be comic accurate
The reason why the original trilogy and TASM1 were memorable, was because of the producer LAURA ZISKIN
It was because of her and her husband (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the movies had depth
She was the only one capable to tell AVI ARAD when to back off
Unfortunately, she died in 2011, during the production of TASM1
Without her, there was no one to stop Arad from destroying the franchise
Spider-man was nothing without her
I can't agree with the carnage pick, any story that references him going through the internet in maximum carnage gets a pass from me
LOL honestly totally fair
9:44 and onwards had no reason to be funny as fuck lmfao
Insomniac Venom is the most comic accurate by far man(Except for the Harry instead of Eddie part). You GOTTA tell me what you're smoking so I can stay well tf away from it lmfao
Nah Venom is a hater not Peter's yandere friend. Nowhere near comic Venom in personality
@@walterandrews4985 Read the 90s Symbiote arc then come back. You'll see what I'm talking about. He *is* a yandere lmao
I cant agree that fact ''Venom is goofy , fun dude'' , Venom has dark sense hummor I agree that but not too much goofy like Venom Movie's , he should be menacing, frightening, threatening... They showed us correctly about that at Marvel's Spider Man 2 , Major Wrong thing about Insomniac's Venom ; He is just acting like Hive Mind Monster , and he just care take over the world , no man that was completly wrong about Venom's Motivation , Venom never cared about conquer the world , He always only wanted take revenge from spiderman or prove himself as better protector than spiderman. Second wrong thing about Insomniac's Venom ; he has spider logo but he cant web swing.
I can explain Trial of the incredible hulk Kingpin. These were three tv specials set after the 70s hulk series, the producers forced Bill bixby
(both played david banner but also director) to add a hero for a spin off in each film.
Expect death of the incredible hulk both return and trial acted for a thor and daredevil
Kingpin of course was the villain chosen for trial to match daredevil.
Wow the more you know! Thanks for the knowledge drop yo!
Bro sandman 2017 show got like 10 minutes of screen time he doesn’t exist for any part of the show
What makes me kinda sad is TASM2 Green Goblin’s design ALMOST works for me. I like it being a mix of technology and mutation. If it looked more monstrous, it could have been awesome, but as is, it doesn’t look like a goblin, it looks like Harry got leprosy or something
If you want another good Rhino story you should check out the book Spider-Man: The Darkest Hours, it’s a great little story and is legitimately the reason why Rhino is my all time favorite Spidey villain
Professor Arturo / Gimli played Kingpin???????
I agree with the avengers spiderman being one of the worst but I feel like the 1970’s spiderman was the worst adaptation ever because
1. He had really had no story it was mostly just action and stuff
2. Spiderman didn’t even talk
3. The costume looks bad.
In my opinion spider man 2 was a good Adaptation I really never respect venom and. I wanted him to be more like a villain and not a good ball and I feel like they did a good job making him look like a threat and an actual villain
Big shoutout to Amazing Spiderman's video game and having Scorpion and Rhino just be mute genetic hyrbrids, gotta be my least favorite.
hard disagree about insomniac’s take on venom. it made sense for the story they were trying to tell. and given what they said, they were explaining about it being a different take on the character. I think a lot of people should have seen it coming. what really would have pissed me off if they had tried to pull a Arkham Knight with venom. if you know you know, this is coming from a Eddie Brock fan so.
Oh, there is a bad jameson
In the 70’s live action spiderman show, hes a perfectly reasonable boss who never shouts and looks nothing like jameson
It wouldn't have made much sense to squeeze Eddie Brock into the game as Venom and it felt more personal to Peter to have Harry be Venom. Also wouldn't it be boring to have the same exact story rehashed over and over again. This was something new and different which I appreciate.
Yep, and Venom was still hella fun in that one
@@DrSalvadorsSack it is, Imsoniac and Movie Venom are the best versions of the character ever
Bro I have been saying mathew lillard would play a perfect carnage for years and I’m glad someone finally thinks the same also
I don't think you get how insomniac's venom works. Harry was his host for 2 years, whem venom makes everyone symbiotes is because he thinks he helps them, the goal of harry and peter was to heal the world, with the symbiote harry is healthy, so he wants to heal the world, he gives that "gift" to everyone thinking he does good and he don't want to hurt peter too muchbecause he knows he is his friend and want him to help him
I don't think anyone would disagree with you about Avengers Game Spider-Man being awful I certainly don't, the game was so bad I took it back and got my money back after a week
It feels like Disney refuse to call Miles Spider-Man and gives him shitty names
The problem is that Miles is often in the same universe as Peter, who is often Spider-Man first. Having two superheroes called Spider-Man could be confusing.
If they really want to use Miles as *the* Spider-Man, they either need to get rid of Peter (no reader wants that), or send Miles to a dimension without a mainline Spider-Man (which Marvel seems reluctant to do). Getting rid of Peter would be poison to one of the few parts of Marvel Comics that people still care about, and keeping Spider-people separate would eliminate the Spider-verse, which has become popular due to the movies.
Really they should've learned their lesson from the Spider-clone saga. Poor Ben Riley.
@@alpyki2588 We currently have couple people using the Flash name , and multiple Daredevils, idc if it's confusing They're both Spider-Man and Ben will eventually come back as the Scarlet Spider and so is Kaine
@@DrPepperIsBae I only say could be, perhaps if this is one's first journey through comics and they picked up one issue expecting Miles and get Peter, or visa versa. Especially nowadays with the amount of varient covers, who exactly is on the front of the book isn't always who is actually inside the issue. Or how the big two often use one of their mainline comics to introduce heroes who then get their own runs.
For MJ, Kirsten Dunst and Insomniac. Insomniac MJ is so.. fucking.. annoying. All she does is complain about "not being your partner." And she nags about being treated like a damsel in distress, but when shes ACTUALLY IN DANGER, she expects Spider-Man to save her. Like what the fuck man. She wants to be a hero so bad but like, CAN U LIFT 10 TONS WITH YOUR BARE HANDS? like, jesus she is so annoying. Atleast Raimi MJ was bearable, insomniac is just so annoying
PS1 Venom is the goat
Wait that background music, Dr doom OST in UMvC3?
Yup!
Insomniac Venom was definitely a good adaptation. Yes it wasn't Eddie Brock, but the Character still hit the classic venom strigs. Made Peter Bully Mcguire, then bonded to another person who had history with Peter, the 2 get into an epic fight...round and round we go. It was definitely more emotional this time, but it worked all things considered. Besides if they do decide to make a venom spin off game, then the blue prints for the classic rivalry are their. Venom possibly didn't die and is now looking for revenge against pete, plus we still have the Carnage story to follow up on, so you never know.....
Yeah this game was what we needed from Raimi's Spiderman 3 and the Amazing Spider-Man 2.
i think the reason electro was so weird and changes to his backstory was cause of the james cameron 90s film so they wouldn't confuse people with continuity and when the cameron film got cancelled they didn't have much to work with in the 90s show
I've been a Spider-man fan my whole life and Insomniac's venom is my favorite venom in any movie , show or video game . I just want Venom to be scary not goofy
Totally respect your opinion. Just had one thought reading this so imma share, tell me to fuck off and thats it no more replies from me.
The thought being:
Why change Venom to be something hes not when Riot and Carnage exist. The evil horrific versions of Venom
@@WonderSilver so venom was always just a goofy idiot in the comics ?
@@aligameover6138 no! Thats why we love Venom, hes a very complex character
He starts off as a horror monster like Michael Myers. He stalks Peter in the dark. Hes not mindless, hes cunning in how he wants to torment Peter mentally. He wants to make Peter peranoid and feel unsafe.
Venom doesnt go straight to violence cause he isnt a mindless brute. He genuinely hates Spiderman and wants to make his life hell. Just killing him with punches isnt enough for him.
Later when Eddie realizes how hateful and horrible hes become. He seeks help from Spiderman and they become partners, its a long road but he learns to love instead of only hate. And heres when the more goofy moments happen, but its nice cause it shows his growth. And it isnt weird because he used to always use his words when tormenting Peter like asking how Aunt May is doing. Just now he directs them towards enemies and not Spiderman. He toys with his foes with words because he likes seeing them feel unsafe
We love Venom for going from a cunning tormentor, to a cunning friend.
If we just want to see an alien goop monster who only wants to see death and destruction and kills first thinks second. Then we turn to Riot and Carnage. They're perfect at what they do like Venom is perfect at what he does
Hope i didn't talk for too long, and im not trying to change your mind, i just love talking about a character i love. If you love Insomniac Venom, then good! I love him too, his fight was awesome. Hes just not THE Venom to me ^^
@@WonderSilver I'm pretty sure Venom's gonna be a lot more goofy in his own game when it comes out
To be fair on the Black Cat one, she doesn't really push for Peter to be evil and take over the world until she herself is under the influence of her own symbiote. Until then she just acts as her normal seductive bad influence for Peter. She starts out all "let's have a little fun" to "let's dominate the earth" and it's 100% the symbiote that is still attached to her in Web of Shadows.
I personally like the way Insomniac strayed away from iconic stuff to more refreshed things like Venom being Harry. Now lets be honest. You'd complain if Venom was Eddie without setup or a proper connection between him and Peter. Making Harry Venom worked better with the setup from the previous games. We knew it was coming but lots of us were coping hard. While on Venom, if i had to pick a favorite adaptaion and a least favorite one, my most would have to be Spectacular because of the story and the black suit arc. Least would be Raimi from a weak design and a not so monstrous voice.
With all due respect, hard disagree on Insomniac's Venom. First off I'm okay with him not being Eddy Brock and Insomniac changing his story a little bit. Insomniac's Spider-Man is not going for a hard adaptation of the Comics, Norman Osborne is the Mayor, Miles exists in this universe, and other villains have their looks and backstories changed a little bit, there's even a comic spin off of this specific universe. As for him being too serious, I think the jury is still out on that one. In the beginning of the story when Harry first has the symbiote and isn't venom yet, he acts like a goofball. The Symbiote also bonded with Peter and he still had his quips early on when he had it. There is going to be a Venom spin off that will most likely flesh out his character more, and I think that's when we'll see the more goofball like Venom, the hulking monster Venom was just his introduction. Also I am just now playing Spider-Man 2, I just got to where Harry goes on a rampage as Venom so please no spoilers (I know I ran the risk of this by writing, but I had opinions I wanted to get out )
Finally someone said it. Insomniac Venom is a TERRIBLE version of the character, and yet I’ve seen that portrayal receive nothing but almost unilateral praise.
Marvel needs to stop trying to make Harry Venom work, because it never will. Add on top of that, Venom’s plan in the game and his behaviors throughout make NO sense in terms of the classic character. He’s basically just another big dumb city-destroying apocalyptic threat, which isn’t at all what makes Venom so compelling. He’s a very deeply personal character, and the second you get rid of that, all you have left is what you get in the game. A mindless monster with a Saturday morning cartoon villain’s plan and utterly non-existent characterization.
EXACTLY!!
I don't know when Venom became a funny goofy dude, but I can assure you that he has a sick and evil humor. Not in a goofy, but more like a sinister way. Like in Spectacular Spider-Man. That was a good representation. Never seen SM: Unlimited, it's not my SM show.
Insomniac's Venom was refreshing because he was a villain again and not a friendly neighborhood antihero. Yes, he did not have Eddie's motivation since he's not Eddie. But it's definitely Venom since he has that manipulative nature to it. And to be fair, Harry had bigger issues than Eddie did. Eddie lost his job and his carreer, Harry thought he was ditched when he was straight-up DYING. And this is why the line "We are strong. And healthy. This is what you wanted. Isn't it?" hit so much stronger towards Norman, because Norman was the one who put Harry in that container.
And I am absolutely offended how you did not mention Sam Raimi's Venom. I prefer Venom to be a hulking talking monster with motivation rather than a weak-ass screaming parasite which is only good for a suit.
I'm gonna stand here and defend MCU flash by saying that if you go back to read the Ditko era, Flash there was also such a fucking dingus, making his Spider-man fan club and getting his ass owned every issue. He was less Peter's bully and more his petty rival classmate, so it's def more comic accurate than most adaptations already.
Also, if you gonna adapt a bully teenager character in the modern age, having a wedgie-giving, lunch-money-stealing jock ain't the way to do it. that shit just doesn't exist anymore. So honestly, having Tony Revolini funny moments and being a cocky dumb preppy is a rich decition, but for what it is, it works.
TASM1 was going somewhere
But everything derailed because AVI ARAD wanted to include The Lizard so he could sell more toys
Theres a difference between an adaptation and a different version of a character insomniac venom is their own version of that character and imo his portrayal and motivations work well in the context of the insomniac story
I think you kinda missed the point of insomniacs Venom. He’s not meant to be the loveable goofball he is in the comics and movies. If he was more of a fun character it would’ve taken away a lot of the impact of his scenes and his purpose in the narrative. He’s the main villain of the game and in order to make this villain leave an impact on the narrative he needed to be much more serious and threatening. But he’s not just a giant hulking monster like you described him as. Venom wants to heal people and the only way he believes to do that is by infecting them. Also just because it’s not Eddie doesn’t automatically make it bad. Having Eddie be venom in this story would’ve felt forced and unnecessary. I could go more into detail as to why this depiction of Venom isn’t bad but it’s 1:00 am and I’m tired.
I think as his own character Insomniac Venom is fine. He’s written more like a natural disaster caused by human failure than a rounded character with motivations. I would like to see him get a carved out spot in that universe but it is what it is. I kind of view it as a better handled version of the Ultimate Spiderman cartoon venom mixed with Web of Shadows venom which has the same problems as insomniac venom except without the built in build up to the monster venom. My personal worst venom is probably that Ultimate Spiderman cartoon venom. Unlimited venom was pretty bad but at least he had a really great episode with Eddy in that cartoon.
The Lizard 2017 and The Lizard from MTv Spider-Man are a Tie, who the hell was thinking that turning New York City into a lizard would be a good idea? Also in MTv Spider-Man we BARELY see the Lizard, Spidey just pursue a dark lethal monster who it's supposed to be Dr Connors but he barely looks like a lizard.
Kraven in Ultimate Spiderman also breaks the "hunting with bare hands" thing of Kraven, he takes all the Hydra Upgrades to fight Spiderman instead of hunting him. Also, Spectacular Spiderman Kraven was the 1st version I met.
I kind of get your point about Venom in insomniac not being goofy, but I don’t understand why he should be goofy. Venom was goofy because he appeared in early Spiderman media which itself was usually goofy for kids. Every Spiderman villain was goofy at some point, but most of them evolved to actually be villains you’re supposed to take seriously. If green goblin can go from being goofy as hell in the 90s to being a psychopath in the live action movies and being seen as cool, why does Venom have to stay in the box of being a goofy character to laugh at. His origin story wasn’t really at all funny enough to warrant him bring goofy in the first place because he was had a more tragic/serious origin. Venom felt abandoned by Spiderman and Eddie felt sabotaged by Spiderman. Their bond at first is entirely based around an unhealthy vendetta against spider man along with a blind wrath towards people that get in the way of their goals. That doesn’t sound like a goofy character. At least not to me. I respect your view of Venom regardless though. Goofy Venom is hilarious. Is it at all a weird or uncommon opinion that I like the cartoon design that gives him lips?
Venom appeared at the peak of edgy abd dark comics in the 90s. Nothing for really for kids back then. Everything was ained towards edgy teenagers that wanted darker and cooler stories, hence the name "Lethal Protector". Him being goofy is a personality trait
@chandllerburse737 ngl I knew he first appeared during the edgy days of comics, but when I meant "goofy in his first appearance" I meant his first appearance on TV. My bad. I don't think Venom not being a complete monster is a good excuse for Marvel to make goofy part of his character though. He can be a serious character with no humor and still be written as an genuinely compelling anti hero.
Spiderman Unlimited had a lot of bad adaptations I see lol. I never watched that cartoon and I see I’ve made the right choice.
It wasnt bad but it definitely wasnt accurate LOL
@@spidermania Well then maybe I will give it a watch if I run out of things to watch lol
bro made it WAY too obvious that he didn't play Spider-Man 2
The hell are you talking about? I played Spider-Man 2 and he's right Insomniac Venom is the worst he's just a monster who's evil for literally no reason
@@Manuelaiello204 maybe try playing the game with sound and the monitor turned on 💀
@@ZachZonebe fr right now 💀
The Symbiote is just straight up an evil monster using both peter and Harry for what he wants and at one point instead of just finding an host now he wants to take over earth because???
The Symbiote shouldn't be evil it's should be s creature who wants to create a bond but it enhances the host's negative emotions
@@Manuelaiello204 whatever you say, lil bro 👍 it’s almost your bed time, you should probably go to bed soon!
@@ZachZoneyou got cooked and ratioed log off your acc now
How do you get "Spin" out of a Spider-themed hero?
FR FR like HOW?!?
Maybe cause he “spins” webs? Idk it sucks no matter how you get the name
The dutch word for spider is spin.
@@Arachnid-Man Thanks for letting me know
I still don't like the name tho
@@manu_solano explanation is most likely I'd guess.
I’m not really familiar with most adaptations but I will say that o personally liked Spider-Man 2’s Venom. Sure, it’s not Eddie, but I feel like it could feel forced if they included him, and hey, Insomniac is apparently open to doing a venom spinoff game if enough people are interested, maybe Eddie will be in that game?
I also don’t mind how “not venom” this venom is because every version of venom I’ve seen has been wildly different, and venom’s plan in this game was just Web of Shadows all over again…as someone who loves that game, this is the OPPOSITE of a problem.
I was actually cool with most of the takes in this video because all the arguments just seemed to be “this isn’t for me” and not “they butchered this character on every level and the people who made this deserve eternal damnation”……some people do take their adaptations that seriously
Bud really implied that Insomniac Venom is worse than the Ultimate Spider-Man TV show Venom 💀
I actually really like Venom in Spider-Man 2 but I definitely only enjoy him in the symbiote context, reflecting the worst versions of Peter, Harry, MJ, and spreading to other innocent people. The actual character of Venom himself is definitely not represented in this game basically at all which I understand being disappointing, but I'm okay with it in the context of the story
Dawg I’ve been watchin a ton of your videos, love all of them but I really love how like honest you are, love that you respond to peoples comments and will talk about your opinions even change them when good opinions are brought up, bravo to you dawg
aye i appreciate that man. I read a lot of spider-man and watch a lot. But i dont know everything. its important to recognize others may know more about a topic than you do! Appreciate the love yo