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To me Namor was giving off Magneto(Fox Films) vibes in terms of his ideology and thought process in how he approaches and views the world. Especially the idea of “Us vs them”.
Trauma and genocide can do that to people. For Magnito it was WW2 and for Namor it was colonization. They are the extreme push back to the atrocities of the current society.
They did Namor very well. Only complaint anyone can have is his pronunciation of the name....which isn't even relevant in face of the perfomance and accuracy of the characters portrayal
I hope they don't make Spider-man have special mutant genes, a large reason WHY Spiderman is such an amazing hero is because ANYONE can be under that mask. It was just Peter that got bit that day. People didn't like the whole "Peters dad made the spiders with his dna" twist from TASM 2 because all that did was make Peter "The Chosen One" the only one in the world who could have ever become spiderman. We know that Tom Holland has max 4 more solo movies under his belt, due to the scoopers and also Tom himself saying he doesn't wanna play spiderman in his late 30s. I think Peter will either quit or die and Miles will take his place in phase 8 or 9, so they'll have to explain that Miles also coincidentally has this spider mutant gene. When an easier explanation COULD be that anyone getting bitten by said spider would grant them powers.
spiderman is wack. people would cry if he wasn't a smart science boy. im done with his character. maybe its holland, maybe its the writing but either way i don't like it. and a lot of their new characters/actors that they brought in are top grade but killing them with this kind of productions. like cmon, black widow.
Plus there's a whole history in the comics of him being a mutate rather than a mutant, and being respected by the X-Men and other mutants, but still not quite fully accepted as family
Is Mutate = Mutant tho'? Because in the House of M storyline, a universe where Mutant is above and beyond Human, Spider-Man was considered a public figure in that universe and he's not a Mutant (unless I missed the point where Wanda created the world to include Mutate as Mutant). So I guess Mutate is considered equal to Mutant, but they're inherently different.
I want to know with the Thanos blip affecting Taluken, it will be interesting to see how Namur reacts to people from his kingdom turning to dust and more in the sea!
6:28 This is actually due to variance in the TYPE of SS Serum. Hydra's SS needed metallic limbs, the new SS serum was designed to make them concealable. This is actually explained in Falcon and the Winter Soldier!
I can see the Mutants pop up as a "villain" at first on Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars. With Kang's reasoning behind the "disappearance" of Mutant kind was because of the Multiversal War and He Who Remains was to blame for it (and played as a meta nod that everything prior to his death was because Fox's X-Men is a separated IP, so their "disappearance" was kinda justified) Something along the line of "You should've exist way back in the beginning, since you all are Children of the Atom"
I like this idea. He Who Remains pruned all timelines that had mutants because the X gene was too unpredictable and would breed the one mutant who could defeat him.
In the comics, there are "proto-mutants" - mutants that were born with their powers already activated. Supposedly, they're one step back from mutant evolution. In X-lore, the theory was that proto-mutants all died off because humans recognized them at a time when they couldn't fend for themselves, hence the next generation of mutants had their powers triggered during puberty. If you want to investigate more about proto-mutants in Marvel comics, it's pretty obscure but you'd need to direct your search towards "Jamie Madrox, Multiple Man" as the proto-mutant lore mostly revolves around him. Good Luck!
They can say that mutants was always there but really it’s a timeline adjustment from Loki and the death of he that remains.. in the comics people like the hulk wasn’t killed from gama because of similar reasons that mutants exist
It would be nice if following a civil war involving Namor and talokan , the MCU introduces a storyline that has the government hunting for more mutants and they discover krakoa, a nation of mutants that have been hiding all along with the help of the eternals to avoid a war with humanity. Ok idk about the eternals but I know they gone throw that in there somehow 😅
Yknow what would be crazy, is if we're heading into the dystopian future we saw in the earlier x men movies, one in which robot sentinels have damn near eradicated mankind in order to destroy the mutant gene... But given the expansion and the meta of the MCU I'm sure things won't be exactly like that..
In the comics celestials not only created mutants but allowed some people to get powers instead of dying. My understanding of captain America is that super soldier serum is the only thing that would give anyone super powers with side effects
I think we should be seeing, comparatively, many mutants from now on because of the snap but mutants were always there. They were just very rare. That way we can still have myth, legend, and historical context to old mutants (like Namor) and keep the Maximoff twins as mutants, but moving forward we’ll see many more because of the snap. And it’s not necessarily the people who were snapped. The universe felt the radiation from the use of the stones 4 times (Thanos twice, Hulk, and Tony). That is a lot of radiation so, like having too many x-rays, it could cause mutations. But just like having many x-rays can increase your chances of mutations (usually seen in the form of higher chances of cancer) there is no guarantee of having mutations. If anything, the people who were not snapped away would have a higher chance of getting mutations that give them powers because, as stated above, they experienced infinity stone snap radiation 4 times compared to the people who experienced 2 snaps.
Seems like the MCU is hinting that radiation could be something that’s vital to activating mutations. I think it’s extremely likely that the Snap will play a huge role in introducing mutants, especially because the radiation that would have gone out across the universe (3 times) would likely have to have an affect on people
Wilfred Nagel the guy who made the serum in FATWS explicitly said he made his serum for stealth so that there wouldn't be bulging muscles like with Erskine's. As for Bucky HYDRA presumably didn't have Erskine's formula as well.
When I watched phase 4 over again time and time again in almost every show and movie they would talk about genes a lot or something like it… from falcon and winter soldier- black widow when they said certain genes or something like that is how the black widow who graduates finishes the process
Another awesome episode! When Ryan spoke about "anyone with mutated genetics" being considered a mutant, it made the X-Men feel just another set of faces joining the MCU and teaming up. If Carol Danvers, Bruce Banner, and Steve Rogers are all mutants, what makes Professor X or Cyclops special? Outside of their respective abilities, of course. I love the idea of the blip having something to do with sparking genetic mutation in humans with the X-Gene. The mutants deserve an origin that gives them a proper rise within the MCU. They should be teased, built up to, and explored. Also, I'd love to see an adaptation of Marvel's Civil War II. It was a great story.
Kevin Feige is supposed to bring all his Marvel projects into Secret Wars (Blade franchise, 2000 X-Men franchise, 2003 Hulk, 2002 Daredevil, and the MCU)
I think we could also see it explained that some mutants existed before, but many were recruited by Charles Xavier and so far the X-men were just VERY careful to stay under the radar. Possibly even using mutants with the right abilities to cause any witnesses to forget what they've seen
I don’t think that would work with Spider-Man since part of his popularity is because everyone “ thinks “ they’d become Spider-Man if they were bitten and thus we can all see ourself in Spiderman.
Kill Ratio Panther vs. Sherman was something like 5-10:1. For every 5-10 Shermans that got killed, only one Panther was shot down. Sounds not like the Sherman "tears through" the Panthers ;)
If it were me running things, I would establish mutations have alway been among us. I would debut X-Men concurrently with the Fantastic 4, revealing that they first came into prominence in the 1960s. And whereas the FF disappeared in their origin story, prompting them to be considered lost and irrelevant to the previous MCU phases until they re-emerge in their upcoming film, mutants would have an origin wherein their struggle was entwined with the Equal Rights Movement in the 60s. I would have the origin end in a huge confrontation where someone did a similar thing to comicbook Wanda's "No More Mutants." And what that did was remove mutants from collective consciousness, not existence itself. The handful that became "known" in the 60s were suddenly unknown, much like the Peter Parker spell. Then a future phase shows that worldwide effect lifted by some event and mutants become known again. (Kinda like The Sentry's comics origin too.) And perhaps a good way to do it is when the Skrull invasion is discovered. Perhaps something is done to try to reveal them all in hiding (think ending of They Live) and a byproduct of that event also reveals the cosmically redacted knowledge of mutants through the decades. That's the general story I'd pitch.
Sherman tanks, individually , were badly outclassed by the German model. It took about 5 Shermans to take out a Panzer, and that by using 4 of them as decoys.
After secret wars I could see the government trying to push for a certain program To control the rise of more powered individuals Both mutants and other superheroes The creation of the Sentinel program The sentinels not only killed mutants in the original days of future past story but other heroes fell like Spider-Man The Fantastic 4 Iron man etc. So it’ll be interesting to see how this plays out as more mutants continue to appear
I think they’ll do both, so while there will be the scientific people who classify the difference in mutate and mutant and just people who got cosmic powers I also think to the average person and bad politicians they will group them. I hope they use muties like in the old X-Men cartoons.
Honestly, I always thought that populist villains classifying all superheroes as "mutants" would make way more sense than the public arbitrarily deciding that soms superheroes were bad because they were born with powers instead of being bitten by a radioactive ground sloth.
Just wondering, would Legion also be considered canon? It would be pretty cool to see Professor Xavier’s son again, his powers were like the scarlet witch sort of
Civil War Two should start as a disney plus series first. Something in the light of andor, a political thriller, and then culminate into a civil war movie which is a head on conflict similar to civil war 1.
For what happen to Deadpool, I call it DNA Memory; like in the original X-Men timeline in the 1980's Wade was indeed a mutant but since the timeline was reset he was reboot or incarnated to a regular guy but with a high possible chance his X-Gene was indeed inside him but had to be reactive somehow; more like being reincarnated to me in a way but that's how I see it
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Steve Rodgers appearance changed because he didn't just take the super solider serum from Erskine he was also infused/injected with vita rays that helped him grow. Bucky and John Walker just took the serum and it was a knock off version too
A great time to reveal that spider man is a mutant and to say that the spider bite would have killed anyone else would be in Spider man freshman year. Also I think they're 5 and 6 they should just plant seeds of mutants and the war on mutants should be in phase 7 or 8
I could see Baron Zemo being a super key figure moving forward. Namor and magneto both have somewhat of a supremacist ideology (which Zemo challenges). Who knows. If a serious enough war breaks out maybe they'll try to go the Krakoa route with the Xmen (so the mutants can have their own safe haven like Wakanda and Talokan...rather than fail at peaceful coexistence). I haven't seen this storyline personally, though, but i think it's a fresh direction from the Xmen we have seen on screen.
I can’t explain why exactly, but… I foresee a Thunderbolts subplot being the DODC finding reason to incarcerate Taskmaster, studying her abilities, & then using those findings to start a Sentinel Program. I can’t tell if this thought is clairvoyance, or just what I want to happen. Also, just as a random aside, BRING BACK MUSTAFA SHAKIR AS BUSHMASTER!! Season 2 of Luke Cage gave us an antihero on par with MBJ’s portrayal of Killmonger. “Never backward, always forward. Always.” -Pops (R.I.P.) 💕
I always thought that when they undid the snap, that was the perfect time to introduce mutants into the MCU. Like maybe mutants were always around but rare. then undoing the snap was the catalyst for the x-gene being activated on a global level: obviously the half that was brought back wouldve become mutants. It seemed like the perfect way to introduce them and I hope it still factors into it.
Honestly, I've always thought the most straightforward answer to "Why haven't we seen mutants yet?" has been to just look at the first X-Men movie, or the first episode of the cartoon, or X-Men First Class: They are a newly emerging phenomenon, the scientific community has just gotten up to speed to even classify them, and the few mutants who were around were mostly isolated, and certainly didn't KNOW they were "mutants", just that they were special. The way I always understood it was first people within the mutant community recognized each other, then people in certain branches of science and government became aware, but it wasn't until some tipping point event made them visible to the world-at-large. So basically, we HAVE been seeing either some mutants, or at least a world where they lurked in the shadows. I mean, the X-Men have to start SOMEWHEN, might as well be now.
I commented on one of your videos about the differences between Mutants and Mutates. Basically, Mutates are enhanced beings who got powers due to their DNA being mutated on a molecular level, eg; Spider-Man, Hulk, Captain Murica, Captain Marvel, Bucky, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, etc. Mutants are those who are born with mutated DNA, the X-Gene, which awakens mutant powers when they are under extreme stress. Francis pretty much nailed it. But I have a theory, that the Vibranium meteorites were sent from Arishem for the new Celestials body, the Celestial incubating within Earth. There could have been multiple meteorites of Vibranium that scattered across the Earth, so that it can absorb the cosmic energy surrounding and on earth, which then feeds into Tiamut. Maybe even Anti Vibranium in Antarctica, since Celestials need various abilities and Various Vibranium strands can afford that. But due to the Vibranium that have been here since the Dinosaurs, they have mutated life forms like plants in Wakanda and Talokan. This could have also mutated human DNA when humans were evolving from fungi and other lifeforms, hence leading to humans possessing the latent X Gene. In the MCU so far, it isn't powerful enough yet to be awakened to create the race of Mutants. But due to multiple snaps with the cosmic energy from the Infinity Gauntlet that had cosmic energy readings like never seen before, that wave of energy could have stirred the X Gene within humans who had it, thus awakening it from its sleep mode. But the person then has to undergo extreme stress to fully activate this X-Gene.
Eternals and Deviants are the key to bring mutants into MCU. I think they are already there but they very rare but cause the snap it awaken it that dormant in humans. Eternal movie is key to everything I think a million years ago a Deviant join with a Eternal and in turn it (they) started to breed with humans life on the earth. I think there were few active mutants before the snaps.
The answer lays in the movie Eternals I think that Deviate infect an Eternal 10,000 years ago or more, this Hybrid started to breed with Homosapiens or maybe Neanderthals this form a gene in the offspring. Call the X-gene.
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I think the Eternals and Deviates, A Hybrid with both Eternal and Deviate DNA's that choose to breed with the Human. That key to X genes. That event create the mutants.
People have said The Thanos Snap is a cheap way to bring mutants into the MCU. Why is it cheap?, it's literally an easy way to bring mutants without messing up the canon. If Thanos could make half of all life in the universe disappear, he could easily make less mutants than that appear.
Others have mentioned it but let’s try to clear this up. In the comics there is a significant portion of humanity that carries the X-Gene a gene that was engineered into humanity to give them the potential for superpowers. Some of these individuals have an X-Gene that is strong enough to express itself naturally, these people are MUTANTS. Mutants are characters like Professor X, Wolverine, Cyclops, etc. Other people with the X-gene require some kind of outside catalyst to activate their X-Gene, these are MUTATES. Mutates include people like Hulk, Spider-Man, Captain America, and Black Panther. As for introducing Mutants to the MCU I think the easiest and most likely way is to slowly introduce the idea of the X-gene being engineered into humanity early on in our evolution. But then expressly say that no one in the 616 universe has a strong enough X-gene to produce a Mutant only Mutates. Even Namor would count as a mutate since his exposure to the heart shaped seaweed in utero gave him his powers. Fast forward to Avengers Secret Wars and 616 will become merged with another reality that does have natural mutants thus being able to suddenly have proper mutants In the MCU while preserving lore that becomes impossible with the infinity snap idea such as Wolverine being really old or Apocalypse being one of the first mutants and 1000s of years old.
No, no, no… they better not make Hulk a mutant! I’m already mad about them changing Ms. Marvel from Inhuman to Mutant. Yes I’m aware that I’m one of the only few people that like the Inhumans but damn it, I still like them!!
Dont think so… marvel know we been waiting for the longest for mutants to arrive to the MCU only to tell us they been there this whole time and its the same characters we seen already… yeah that would definitely suck!
I'm hoping they'll keep the term 'mutant' specific to ppl who possess the X gene. Spider-Man, Hulk, Fantastic Four, etc should all be considered 'mutates' only imo.
There 3 class of people Humans and Mutant and Anamolous. Anamoulous is a person possessing mutant genetic potential ( meaning their children could be mutants.) Different kinds of Mutants Lupines, Neyaphems, Cheyarafims
Making a movie with Steve Rogers and Peter Parker and banner as mutants is as out of place as ridiculous as a movie where Superman was born and raised in Gotham without superpowers. Screen crush hasn’t done their comic research.
You're trying to say that Mutates are Mutants and that is just incorrect. Mutates are mutated through something in their lifetime, while mutants are born with the X-Gene. I doubt the MCU will change that.
This would be very similar to how the Kree treated the Skrulls in Captain Marvel. This would also tie in very neatly to Magneto's Jewish heritage because this is exactly how Adolf Hitler and the Nazis treated the Jewish people during World War 2.
People actually wondered about this. If I remember correctly, people like Spider-Man, Hulk, and Captain Marvel are Mutates, not Mutants. While mutants already had the genetic disposition from birth, Mutates originally had normal DNA that was altered by an outside source.
Oh great kind of reminds me of wandavision tried watching the first episode couldn't do it at all and then Doctor Strange 2 comes out really excited but then all of a sudden it's about a Wanda I have no clue about her backstory but let's make this movie about Wanda now I have no clue what's going on in Doctor Strange 2
….just naming all super powered superhero’s as mutants would be the laziest move in the history of comic books. I don’t know screen crush understands the level of nerd rage that would ensue. Also this is the first time that I realized that this channel doesn’t really know these characters passed the movies.
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To me Namor was giving off Magneto(Fox Films) vibes in terms of his ideology and thought process in how he approaches and views the world. Especially the idea of “Us vs them”.
Namor has always been like that
Trauma and genocide can do that to people. For Magnito it was WW2 and for Namor it was colonization. They are the extreme push back to the atrocities of the current society.
Movies* have always been like that
They did Namor very well. Only complaint anyone can have is his pronunciation of the name....which isn't even relevant in face of the perfomance and accuracy of the characters portrayal
But his us vs them is Vibranium holders vs non holders. He could care less about Mutants.
I hope they don't make Spider-man have special mutant genes, a large reason WHY Spiderman is such an amazing hero is because ANYONE can be under that mask.
It was just Peter that got bit that day.
People didn't like the whole "Peters dad made the spiders with his dna" twist from TASM 2 because all that did was make Peter "The Chosen One"
the only one in the world who could have ever become spiderman.
We know that Tom Holland has max 4 more solo movies under his belt, due to the scoopers and also Tom himself saying he doesn't wanna play spiderman in his late 30s.
I think Peter will either quit or die and Miles will take his place in phase 8 or 9, so they'll have to explain that Miles also coincidentally has this spider mutant gene.
When an easier explanation COULD be that anyone getting bitten by said spider would grant them powers.
Was looking for this comment, so I didn't have to say it haha
spiderman is wack. people would cry if he wasn't a smart science boy. im done with his character. maybe its holland, maybe its the writing but either way i don't like it. and a lot of their new characters/actors that they brought in are top grade but killing them with this kind of productions. like cmon, black widow.
Plus there's a whole history in the comics of him being a mutate rather than a mutant, and being respected by the X-Men and other mutants, but still not quite fully accepted as family
The general public thinks Spider-Man is a Mutant.
Is Mutate = Mutant tho'? Because in the House of M storyline, a universe where Mutant is above and beyond Human, Spider-Man was considered a public figure in that universe and he's not a Mutant (unless I missed the point where Wanda created the world to include Mutate as Mutant). So I guess Mutate is considered equal to Mutant, but they're inherently different.
What mutants do you think we'll see next in the MCU?
The beast in secret invasion
It would be great to see Channing Tatum finally have his chance to play Gambit in the MCU
Abigail Brand as the mutant with a direct revelation in Secret Invasion.
Forgetmenot
Hinted Wolverine already
I want to know with the Thanos blip affecting Taluken, it will be interesting to see how Namur reacts to people from his kingdom turning to dust and more in the sea!
The comparison with gun registration and mutant registration is amazing. And it even leads to a civil war.
You do realize that mutants registration was first thought of around 40 years ago in the comics.
Your transitions are the best. We don't talk about that much.
6:28
This is actually due to variance in the TYPE of SS Serum.
Hydra's SS needed metallic limbs, the new SS serum was designed to make them concealable. This is actually explained in Falcon and the Winter Soldier!
I can see the Mutants pop up as a "villain" at first on Kang Dynasty or Secret Wars. With Kang's reasoning behind the "disappearance" of Mutant kind was because of the Multiversal War and He Who Remains was to blame for it (and played as a meta nod that everything prior to his death was because Fox's X-Men is a separated IP, so their "disappearance" was kinda justified)
Something along the line of "You should've exist way back in the beginning, since you all are Children of the Atom"
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I like this idea. He Who Remains pruned all timelines that had mutants because the X gene was too unpredictable and would breed the one mutant who could defeat him.
Peter's father used his blood when he engendered human spiders.
So the spiders knew peter.
In the comics, there are "proto-mutants" - mutants that were born with their powers already activated. Supposedly, they're one step back from mutant evolution. In X-lore, the theory was that proto-mutants all died off because humans recognized them at a time when they couldn't fend for themselves, hence the next generation of mutants had their powers triggered during puberty. If you want to investigate more about proto-mutants in Marvel comics, it's pretty obscure but you'd need to direct your search towards "Jamie Madrox, Multiple Man" as the proto-mutant lore mostly revolves around him. Good Luck!
They can say that mutants was always there but really it’s a timeline adjustment from Loki and the death of he that remains.. in the comics people like the hulk wasn’t killed from gama because of similar reasons that mutants exist
It would be nice if following a civil war involving Namor and talokan , the MCU introduces a storyline that has the government hunting for more mutants and they discover krakoa, a nation of mutants that have been hiding all along with the help of the eternals to avoid a war with humanity. Ok idk about the eternals but I know they gone throw that in there somehow 😅
I think the sentinel program would work well for this story. The science will designate who is a mutant , the sentinels hunt them down
Yknow what would be crazy, is if we're heading into the dystopian future we saw in the earlier x men movies, one in which robot sentinels have damn near eradicated mankind in order to destroy the mutant gene...
But given the expansion and the meta of the MCU I'm sure things won't be exactly like that..
In the comics celestials not only created mutants but allowed some people to get powers instead of dying. My understanding of captain America is that super soldier serum is the only thing that would give anyone super powers with side effects
I think we should be seeing, comparatively, many mutants from now on because of the snap but mutants were always there. They were just very rare. That way we can still have myth, legend, and historical context to old mutants (like Namor) and keep the Maximoff twins as mutants, but moving forward we’ll see many more because of the snap. And it’s not necessarily the people who were snapped. The universe felt the radiation from the use of the stones 4 times (Thanos twice, Hulk, and Tony). That is a lot of radiation so, like having too many x-rays, it could cause mutations. But just like having many x-rays can increase your chances of mutations (usually seen in the form of higher chances of cancer) there is no guarantee of having mutations. If anything, the people who were not snapped away would have a higher chance of getting mutations that give them powers because, as stated above, they experienced infinity stone snap radiation 4 times compared to the people who experienced 2 snaps.
Seems like the MCU is hinting that radiation could be something that’s vital to activating mutations. I think it’s extremely likely that the Snap will play a huge role in introducing mutants, especially because the radiation that would have gone out across the universe (3 times) would likely have to have an affect on people
Wilfred Nagel the guy who made the serum in FATWS explicitly said he made his serum for stealth so that there wouldn't be bulging muscles like with Erskine's. As for Bucky HYDRA presumably didn't have Erskine's formula as well.
All of this wouldn’t surprise me if the MCU is laying the groundwork for the XMen
"We're all infected."
The Walking Dead, Season One.
If Namor was around for like 500 years then the X-gene was around for at least that long
When I watched phase 4 over again time and time again in almost every show and movie they would talk about genes a lot or something like it… from falcon and winter soldier- black widow when they said certain genes or something like that is how the black widow who graduates finishes the process
Another awesome episode! When Ryan spoke about "anyone with mutated genetics" being considered a mutant, it made the X-Men feel just another set of faces joining the MCU and teaming up. If Carol Danvers, Bruce Banner, and Steve Rogers are all mutants, what makes Professor X or Cyclops special? Outside of their respective abilities, of course.
I love the idea of the blip having something to do with sparking genetic mutation in humans with the X-Gene. The mutants deserve an origin that gives them a proper rise within the MCU. They should be teased, built up to, and explored. Also, I'd love to see an adaptation of Marvel's Civil War II. It was a great story.
Steve Rogers and Carol Danvers and Bucky Barnes and Bruce Banner are all Mutates!!!! and don't have the X-gene and NOT BORN THAT WAY!!!!
I agree with them classifying most enhanced individuals as mutants, and also there will be another civil war at some point
Kevin Feige is supposed to bring all his Marvel projects into Secret Wars (Blade franchise, 2000 X-Men franchise, 2003 Hulk, 2002 Daredevil, and the MCU)
I think we could also see it explained that some mutants existed before, but many were recruited by Charles Xavier and so far the X-men were just VERY careful to stay under the radar. Possibly even using mutants with the right abilities to cause any witnesses to forget what they've seen
I don’t think that would work with Spider-Man since part of his popularity is because everyone “ thinks “ they’d become Spider-Man if they were bitten and thus we can all see ourself in Spiderman.
In the comics Bruce, Jen, Ross, Betty and others are classed as "gamma mutates". Neither mutants nor inhumans
the mcu isnt the comics they change things all the time.
Black Widow, in the Black Widow screen when she falls from the building, bangs around during the fall and lands on her feet was really muti like 🤔
this got some huge Genosha vibe. i really hope they dont mess mutants up!
so the MCU is somwhat like the Ultimate Marvel universe in the comics where most of the Enhanced people are nearly all called Mutants.
Kill Ratio Panther vs. Sherman was something like 5-10:1. For every 5-10 Shermans that got killed, only one Panther was shot down. Sounds not like the Sherman "tears through" the Panthers ;)
Need Michael Fassbender Magneto / Namor team up
If it were me running things, I would establish mutations have alway been among us. I would debut X-Men concurrently with the Fantastic 4, revealing that they first came into prominence in the 1960s. And whereas the FF disappeared in their origin story, prompting them to be considered lost and irrelevant to the previous MCU phases until they re-emerge in their upcoming film, mutants would have an origin wherein their struggle was entwined with the Equal Rights Movement in the 60s. I would have the origin end in a huge confrontation where someone did a similar thing to comicbook Wanda's "No More Mutants." And what that did was remove mutants from collective consciousness, not existence itself. The handful that became "known" in the 60s were suddenly unknown, much like the Peter Parker spell. Then a future phase shows that worldwide effect lifted by some event and mutants become known again. (Kinda like The Sentry's comics origin too.) And perhaps a good way to do it is when the Skrull invasion is discovered. Perhaps something is done to try to reveal them all in hiding (think ending of They Live) and a byproduct of that event also reveals the cosmically redacted knowledge of mutants through the decades. That's the general story I'd pitch.
Sherman tanks, individually , were badly outclassed by the German model. It took about 5 Shermans to take out a Panzer, and that by using 4 of them as decoys.
I serious want you to direct a comic movie Ryan , the way you put things together is just right
After secret wars
I could see the government trying to push for a certain program
To control the rise of more powered individuals
Both mutants and other superheroes
The creation of the Sentinel program
The sentinels not only killed mutants in the original days of future past story but other heroes fell like Spider-Man
The Fantastic 4
Iron man etc. So it’ll be interesting to see how this plays out as more mutants continue to appear
This is true in the original story DOFP the Sentinels kill all the powered individuals.
In the 90s spiderman cartoon, spiderman was considered a mutant by Charles Xavier.
I think they’ll do both, so while there will be the scientific people who classify the difference in mutate and mutant and just people who got cosmic powers I also think to the average person and bad politicians they will group them. I hope they use muties like in the old X-Men cartoons.
Honestly, I always thought that populist villains classifying all superheroes as "mutants" would make way more sense than the public arbitrarily deciding that soms superheroes were bad because they were born with powers instead of being bitten by a radioactive ground sloth.
But since Namor is 500 years old wouldn't there already be mutants before thanos snap half the population?
There is theory that some Mutants like Professor X and Magneto and Logan were the few Mutants are active the others are dormant. Mutants are Born
Just wondering, would Legion also be considered canon? It would be pretty cool to see Professor Xavier’s son again, his powers were like the scarlet witch sort of
Dude is the definition of OP, nah OP is an understatement describing him
@@madtitan0825 hes basically reality
They dont need to make it canon. If they wanted legion in the mcu they could just make a new version of him that's part of the mcu.
@@madtitan0825 yea and that show was badass
@@Krill25 well they might as well add him in after the mutant saga cause he’s like omega mutant
Spiderman part would be hard with silk but maybe they could magic retcon her
Civil War Two should start as a disney plus series first. Something in the light of andor, a political thriller, and then culminate into a civil war movie which is a head on conflict similar to civil war 1.
For what happen to Deadpool, I call it DNA Memory; like in the original X-Men timeline in the 1980's Wade was indeed a mutant but since the timeline was reset he was reboot or incarnated to a regular guy but with a high possible chance his X-Gene was indeed inside him but had to be reactive somehow; more like being reincarnated to me in a way but that's how I see it
After you put out your last wakanda forever vid breakdown, all the other breakdown channels jumped on all your theories! :)
Hey Doug! You’re my favorite
I would love to see a Civil War 2 in the MCU but only after the Multiverse Saga and after the mutants and Fantastic Four are fully flushed out.
Dream show would be a 6 episode Weapon X mini-series featuring their new Wolverine before the main X-Men movie(s) drop
Like Bourne meets Saw lol
The whole underwater race are gilled super soldiers.
Cutest Doug - I mean Dog, in the world!
Steve Rodgers appearance changed because he didn't just take the super solider serum from Erskine he was also infused/injected with vita rays that helped him grow. Bucky and John Walker just took the serum and it was a knock off version too
Cap was also hit with vita-rays. That’s why he grew. Same thing for Peggy.
A great time to reveal that spider man is a mutant and to say that the spider bite would have killed anyone else would be in Spider man freshman year. Also I think they're 5 and 6 they should just plant seeds of mutants and the war on mutants should be in phase 7 or 8
In tobeys spiderman he finds out his dad made the spiders only work on his family
They just explained Apocalypse’s skin tone..
I could see Baron Zemo being a super key figure moving forward. Namor and magneto both have somewhat of a supremacist ideology (which Zemo challenges). Who knows.
If a serious enough war breaks out maybe they'll try to go the Krakoa route with the Xmen (so the mutants can have their own safe haven like Wakanda and Talokan...rather than fail at peaceful coexistence).
I haven't seen this storyline personally, though, but i think it's a fresh direction from the Xmen we have seen on screen.
Baron Zemo target that mutates that made not born!!!
I wonder if he chose not to mention the Quantum Realm as Theory. Wasp says “it’s evolution” when talking about the impact that it had on her
I can’t explain why exactly, but… I foresee a Thunderbolts subplot being the DODC finding reason to incarcerate Taskmaster, studying her abilities, & then using those findings to start a Sentinel Program. I can’t tell if this thought is clairvoyance, or just what I want to happen.
Also, just as a random aside, BRING BACK MUSTAFA SHAKIR AS BUSHMASTER!! Season 2 of Luke Cage gave us an antihero on par with MBJ’s portrayal of Killmonger.
“Never backward, always forward. Always.” -Pops (R.I.P.) 💕
Heyyyyy u said Namor right at the end!
Could Captain America: New World Order be that Civil War II or a version of it and Secret Invasion and Armor Wars be the precursive lead ins?
This is where the fun begins 🙏🏽
I always thought that when they undid the snap, that was the perfect time to introduce mutants into the MCU.
Like maybe mutants were always around but rare. then undoing the snap was the catalyst for the x-gene being activated on a global level: obviously the half that was brought back wouldve become mutants.
It seemed like the perfect way to introduce them and I hope it still factors into it.
Phase 5, the government will be the antagonist.
I assumed thano's snap was gonna create mutants. Made sense
I can buy the hulk being a mutant. Captain America, no dice. Also don't think they will go that route with Carol Danvers.
Honestly, I've always thought the most straightforward answer to "Why haven't we seen mutants yet?" has been to just look at the first X-Men movie, or the first episode of the cartoon, or X-Men First Class:
They are a newly emerging phenomenon, the scientific community has just gotten up to speed to even classify them, and the few mutants who were around were mostly isolated, and certainly didn't KNOW they were "mutants", just that they were special.
The way I always understood it was first people within the mutant community recognized each other, then people in certain branches of science and government became aware, but it wasn't until some tipping point event made them visible to the world-at-large.
So basically, we HAVE been seeing either some mutants, or at least a world where they lurked in the shadows. I mean, the X-Men have to start SOMEWHEN, might as well be now.
Do beast and Bruce banner ever team up to work on any science stuff?
I commented on one of your videos about the differences between Mutants and Mutates. Basically, Mutates are enhanced beings who got powers due to their DNA being mutated on a molecular level, eg; Spider-Man, Hulk, Captain Murica, Captain Marvel, Bucky, Daredevil, Fantastic Four, etc.
Mutants are those who are born with mutated DNA, the X-Gene, which awakens mutant powers when they are under extreme stress. Francis pretty much nailed it.
But I have a theory, that the Vibranium meteorites were sent from Arishem for the new Celestials body, the Celestial incubating within Earth.
There could have been multiple meteorites of Vibranium that scattered across the Earth, so that it can absorb the cosmic energy surrounding and on earth, which then feeds into Tiamut. Maybe even Anti Vibranium in Antarctica, since Celestials need various abilities and Various Vibranium strands can afford that.
But due to the Vibranium that have been here since the Dinosaurs, they have mutated life forms like plants in Wakanda and Talokan. This could have also mutated human DNA when humans were evolving from fungi and other lifeforms, hence leading to humans possessing the latent X Gene.
In the MCU so far, it isn't powerful enough yet to be awakened to create the race of Mutants. But due to multiple snaps with the cosmic energy from the Infinity Gauntlet that had cosmic energy readings like never seen before, that wave of energy could have stirred the X Gene within humans who had it, thus awakening it from its sleep mode. But the person then has to undergo extreme stress to fully activate this X-Gene.
Eternals and Deviants are the key to bring mutants into MCU. I think they are already there but they very rare but cause the snap it awaken it that dormant in humans. Eternal movie is key to everything I think a million years ago a Deviant join with a Eternal and in turn it (they) started to breed with humans life on the earth. I think there were few active mutants before the snaps.
The answer lays in the movie Eternals I think that Deviate infect an Eternal 10,000 years ago or more, this Hybrid started to breed with Homosapiens or maybe Neanderthals this form a gene in the offspring. Call the X-gene.
So I don't normally enjoy the ad segments in TH-cam shows like this but every single time your ad section comes up the transitions are so well done that I never seem to mind them. Thank you for that and I hope you get good sponsors. 👍
So glad I subbed this channel has so much effort and hard work pit into every video thanks Ryan! Great vids and theories man really interesting to think about 👍 🤔
If everyone is a mutant then no one is a mutant.
I think the Eternals and Deviates, A Hybrid with both Eternal and Deviate DNA's that choose to breed with the Human. That key to X genes. That event create the mutants.
People have said The Thanos Snap is a cheap way to bring mutants into the MCU.
Why is it cheap?, it's literally an easy way to bring mutants without messing up the canon. If Thanos could make half of all life in the universe disappear, he could easily make less mutants than that appear.
A new gene in their gentetic code. A new gene in Jean
Just glad you didn’t sell me a Scottish Title this time
Others have mentioned it but let’s try to clear this up. In the comics there is a significant portion of humanity that carries the X-Gene a gene that was engineered into humanity to give them the potential for superpowers. Some of these individuals have an X-Gene that is strong enough to express itself naturally, these people are MUTANTS. Mutants are characters like Professor X, Wolverine, Cyclops, etc. Other people with the X-gene require some kind of outside catalyst to activate their X-Gene, these are MUTATES. Mutates include people like Hulk, Spider-Man, Captain America, and Black Panther.
As for introducing Mutants to the MCU I think the easiest and most likely way is to slowly introduce the idea of the X-gene being engineered into humanity early on in our evolution. But then expressly say that no one in the 616 universe has a strong enough X-gene to produce a Mutant only Mutates. Even Namor would count as a mutate since his exposure to the heart shaped seaweed in utero gave him his powers. Fast forward to Avengers Secret Wars and 616 will become merged with another reality that does have natural mutants thus being able to suddenly have proper mutants In the MCU while preserving lore that becomes impossible with the infinity snap idea such as Wolverine being really old or Apocalypse being one of the first mutants and 1000s of years old.
Namor was in his mother belly, he was born with his ability, the others turn blue and the future children are blue
Selene is older than Apocalypse!!!
The way he shoehorns these ads
Did Ryan stop doing the “that is your mom” bit or am I just not paying enough attention?
No, no, no… they better not make Hulk a mutant! I’m already mad about them changing Ms. Marvel from Inhuman to Mutant.
Yes I’m aware that I’m one of the only few people that like the Inhumans but damn it, I still like them!!
In the comics Deadpool is not a Mutant and Juggernaut is not a Mutant. I am uncertain about the characters in the movies.
Can't snap your fingers with a gauntlet on
I think in the comics Deadpool was not really a mutant. He was given his powers by a serum made from Wolverine's blood.
Correct. Not a mutant, but a "mutate." He was given Wolverine's healing factor.
@Dank Fartz in the comics he is defined as a mutate and can't enter Krakoa based on that technicality.
@Dank Fartz "i think in the comics" learn how to read....
I'm wondering if Cap new world order will be about mutants?
Soooo many people would be upset if every enhanced are rebranded to mutants
Dont think so… marvel know we been waiting for the longest for mutants to arrive to the MCU only to tell us they been there this whole time and its the same characters we seen already… yeah that would definitely suck!
This is the difference between Mutates like Spiderman and Deadpool. And mutants like Magneto and Wolverine. Not too mention half mutants like namor.
Deadpool is a Mutant now in the movie version
I'm hoping they'll keep the term 'mutant' specific to ppl who possess the X gene.
Spider-Man, Hulk, Fantastic Four, etc should all be considered 'mutates' only imo.
There 3 class of people Humans and Mutant and Anamolous. Anamoulous is a person possessing mutant genetic potential ( meaning their children could be mutants.) Different kinds of Mutants Lupines, Neyaphems, Cheyarafims
Making a movie with Steve Rogers and Peter Parker and banner as mutants is as out of place as ridiculous as a movie where Superman was born and raised in Gotham without superpowers.
Screen crush hasn’t done their comic research.
You're trying to say that Mutates are Mutants and that is just incorrect. Mutates are mutated through something in their lifetime, while mutants are born with the X-Gene. I doubt the MCU will change that.
The dog calls him "person"? 😂
This would be very similar to how the Kree treated the Skrulls in Captain Marvel. This would also tie in very neatly to Magneto's Jewish heritage because this is exactly how Adolf Hitler and the Nazis treated the Jewish people during World War 2.
I really hope they don't make everyone a mutant.
People actually wondered about this. If I remember correctly, people like Spider-Man, Hulk, and Captain Marvel are Mutates, not Mutants. While mutants already had the genetic disposition from birth, Mutates originally had normal DNA that was altered by an outside source.
Hey Ryan... Technically, you could be considered a mutant because of your blue eyes, which is a genetic mutation, lol.
Oh great kind of reminds me of wandavision tried watching the first episode couldn't do it at all and then Doctor Strange 2 comes out really excited but then all of a sudden it's about a Wanda I have no clue about her backstory but let's make this movie about Wanda now I have no clue what's going on in Doctor Strange 2
The DoDC are the one's who will introduce sentinels into the MCU
….just naming all super powered superhero’s as mutants would be the laziest move in the history of comic books.
I don’t know screen crush understands the level of nerd rage that would ensue. Also this is the first time that I realized that this channel doesn’t really know these characters passed the movies.
Ahh, yes, Kamala said it! "Whatever it is, it'll probably just be another label." 🙈