Which NBA Star Had The Better Career?
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- Which NBA career would you want?
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“Which career was better?”
- proceeds to name every “non career” reason why they better 😂☠️
Exactly the things they’re bringing up are subjective reasons
They're not talking about accolades, they're talking about which one you'd rather have, so the stuff off the court matters
@@ChineseMusicianGamer then why not name this “who would you rather have?” 😂😂😂
@@WaiseaWorthingtonYou have to be joking 😭. No disrepct but “career” doesn’t just defined by accolades. Like if you work at a company it doesnt only matters about how much money you got. Its about the environment how workers treat you and more bruh 😭
"Bol Bol clears all of these guys" - Shaq
But he’s just lazy as ****
Steph being the greatest shooter ever should be used as an argument the same way Shaq's dominance is
yeah, that mf legit changed how teams played.
No it shouldn’t that isn’t an argument, no one uses Shaw’s dominance alone they look at how he dominated, no one should look at curry shooting alone but how his shooting helps him dominate
Cop out answer by curry crybabies who have no real argument 😂😂😂😂
@@hijisfriend9030no he didn’t the rules and stat analysis did you bum
And shaq isn't like the 'unarguably' most dominant ever (wilt exists)
Steph is in his own realm of shooting with no competition
"Notice that one of them is in the arena and one of them is in the club"😂
Bird is more talented, but Magic had the better career.
I say the same thing all the time magic and bird are the same player just bird has a way better shot & better defender
@@RaulFlores-ge7uhand better rebounder. Magic is a better passer but not by much
@@TheDwight12 That is crazy. Magic's passing was far better than Bird's and any player to that point. He catalyzed the Lakers to play offense in an entirely new way, which was high possession AND high efficiency basketball. Raw stats do not represent how good of a passer Magic was, between 83-91 he had between a 42-49 assist percentage, Bird's highest was 28.9 (good but incomparable). He was better at the rim (Bird shot less than 50% from two 6 times, Magic 1 time; and Magic averaged 54% for two compared to Bird's 50%), he was a better ball handler, he was a better passer, and he was better at playing the passing lanes. He started his career as a mediocre free throw shooter, but by the end was well above 85% for his last 8 years (averaged 88/89 before he retired the first time). Bird was a superior defender before his injuries, but Magic's effect on the offense was massive. You can see this in his offensive win shares, where he had 4 years higher than 11, 3 higher than 12. Bird hit 11 offensive win shares once. And position mattered in the 80s, while Magic would defend the interior, he also defended wings far more than Bird and therefore was not in the same positions to grab rebounds. He was a fantastic rebounder.
I am not saying this to you, but rather to those who didn't get to experience Magic. Bird was a dead eye who transformed isolation basketball, while Magic was a maestro that changed how team offense was played.
@@michaelcarrig627I think u made ur point clear with that English essay LMAO
@michaelcarrig627 If Bird had the ball as much as Magic did he'd be just as great of a passer. Just watching the 2 Bird because of his shot had more variety in passes he could make. Magic made regular passes look flashy and difficult. Bird made high difficulty passes look somewhat easy. Bird is a better rebounder scorer defender and team leader. Magic wasn't even the best player for some of his chips. Magic is extremely underrated but not as good as Bird
i have seen an ad for u guys at an NBA game!
big milestone for real
acutally?
@@louiecao4690 yeah its real you could see it in the arena. These guys made it
it’s bc they are partnered with house of highlights
Same
Poor D Rose, what it could've been
Isaac and mo trippin d rose destroys butler career
@@GOONSSCno he doesn’t only thing d rose has over butler is an mvp. D rose never made It to the finals
@@Masquin__Indigoo bro he had to go against prime lebron with super team Miami heat and the Kyrie and lebron Cavs and would take them to 6-7 games with a let’s just say not great teams. Some included jimmy butler, sure he was young but still.
@@GOONSSC Jimmy faced 2020 bron and prime Giannis
@@Masquin__Indigoo lol when? I hope you don’t mean last year where Giannis was out hurt and then came back recovering from an injury. What he did in that last series was insane and I’m not downplaying that but that was not prime Giannis. And yes he made it to the finals and lost, none of those eastern teams in his 2020 finals run really move me. 1 run doesn’t make you better DERRICK ROSE. What are we talking about???
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW GOOD TIM DUNCAN WAS
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They title the video better career and then just discuss who was liked more! Clearly timmy had the better career
@@rocktor1987 preach
@@rocktor1987 Tim was more consistent but Kobe's highs were a lot higher than Tim's highs
@@AceTheSkylordHis lows were lower also tho
Damn those Rudy vs Paul takes are rough for poor Rudy 😂
I’m baffled by the crew saying that Steph has the longevity over Shaq. Shaq had 14 straight seasons averaging 26 and 12, Steph’s currently only had 12 seasons averaging 20 and 6 so far in his career (that’s including his 2020 injured season). Shaq 14 All NBA selections to Steph’s 8, that’s 8 first team selections for Shaq to Steph’s 4. Not saying you can’t have Steph above Shaq all-time, but stating he’s got longevity over Shaq is factually wrong as of 2024.
14 straight? No, he didn't. His last season averaging that was in 03, which makes it 10, and then his numbers dropped significantly. It's still very good, but 27ppg to 21 is pretty steep. Comparing allstar and all nba appearances for two different positions is faulty. Shaq was accumulating almost half of his when most elite centers were too old or retiring. Steph was competing against arguably the most stacked era for pgs in history. Shaq has played 19 years versus Curry's 16. You look at the last 10 years for each, and Curry clears him by a mile. As a matter of fact, curry is still playing at an elite level, whereas Shaq slow3d d9wn tremendously by his 12th or 13th season.
@@remnant8898 I was talking his overall average across those 14 seasons, I mistyped and was meant to put 26 and 6 for Steph. I was also referring to seasons where they were considered one of the best players in the league. Shaq’s prime was during the slowest paced seasons of all time, so his ppg dropping was still elite overall. He was still in MVP conversations during the mid 2000s, including runner up in 2005. I didn’t include All Star games as they are popularity contests unlike All NBA selections. I agree Steph’s prime was during arguably the greatest point guard era of all time, but most of Shag’s prime was during inarguably the strongest era for NBA centers ever, that’s why I included All NBA selections. People forget Shaq had 7 elite seasons before he even won his first championship. Again, not to say that Steph hasn’t had a long prime or saying he won’t surpass Shaq in his longevity, he’s not there yet though. Certainly not considering what Isaac said in this video.
@@PeterAtkinson okay, I'll take your word for it. The pacing argument isn't valid in this case because Shaq was still getting 18-20 shot attempts per game and he was the only elite center in the league. If he wasn't, then can you name the centers that Shaq was facing when he finally started winning chips? Because after 99, as I said earlier, most of the great centers were way past their prime or retired. And those 7 elite seasons prior to his 1st chip, he was getting swept in 6 of them, in spite of the fact that he had stacked teams. I factor in that Steph didn't come into the league as a top notch player, had to be relegated to 2nd or 3rd option his first 2 years, then after his injury riddled 3rd year, began to take off and never looked back. We're talking about longevity, you can't even look at Shaq's last 6 years and have an argument that he sustained the level of greatness that Steph is doing right now at his age.
@@remnant8898 I can’t be bothered typing any more long replies but you make valid arguments that I don’t disagree with. It’s a fun conversation to have and I have both in very similar positions on my all time list. 👍👍
Wrong, just wrong
Id take snapping my leg over being known as the guy who shut down a season lol
The season would’ve been shut down eventually regardless
Nice video you guys are so entertaining 😊
I saw you guys on a Milwaukee vs Pacers game!! Great job❤!!!
heartbeat was the word of the day for the boys
People really forget how incredible Tim Duncan was, just because he wasn't flashy. But the dude was a certified winner!
I would say jimmy butler also because the dude is also a better leader and reignited they’re heat culture
yall need to have call in shows where fans can come in and have converstions
Yalls laughs are crazy
Yall should do a Best Random MVP for a moment runs. Like, Linsanity, TJ Warren, etc
can you guys make that "who your rather let you daughther date" again? great show by the way
With how great and charismatic yall are. I think bringing up the stats and accomplishments of the two being discussed would have been fun to watch. I know it’s all opinion based but I would of liked to see yall actually dive into it
How tf is klay and harden close 😭😭it’s obviously harden
Klays whole career is in a winning environment while being a key piece into that winning team. James harden have a couple good years in houston, and after that his career doesnt matter anymore. So ill take klay
@@Balloffamer imagine if harden was in klays position. He would be t15 all time. Also harden is top 30 how is klay even close to that?
@@Intelligenz1 ok, you cant say "if they switch position" thats not how this works, sometimes you just get lucky to be in a position like klay and you cant change that. Sure harden is top 30 all time, but his career is nowhere near as respected as klay is
@@Balloffamer not as respected, but we are talking about who had the better career.
@@Intelligenz1 i love prime harden, but klay can win more over a longer period of time, so ill take klay
“I want to be a splash brother” 😂
Duncan > Kobe every day
You know they broke it down pretty well here. It's just hard to make a case for Duncan. Gimme kobe no disrespect
@@cloudunderweather9554 I’ll take the dude who can play with everyone and doesn’t put himself above the team over the shot chucker that chased his best ever teammate out of town but you do you
@@JMesey9478 i respect your preference, and you can take whoever you like, but this isnt about who you like. Who objectively had the better career? Who's name is bigger, who's done more for basketball, eye test, numbers, peak, peer assessments, dominance, playoffs, these are some things i consider when looking at a persons career.
And the fellas were right, aside from a few accolades, and consistency in his career, I kinda have to give the rest to kobe. Granted, consistency is a BIG deal since we're talking whole career, so I 100% understand duncan
On what basis
@@ShreedharBihani on the basis I chose him? It’s called an opinion and I don’t have to explain mine to you or anyone clown 🤡
Steph made Andrew Wiggins good
I think they made these picks in a heartbeat 😭
Do a Conference Champion non NBA Championship team tier list. ‘96 Sonics are S.
Y’all did my boy Giannis dirty behind mo 😂😂😂
i appreciate that donovan didn't trust us crayon eaters to know what onyx is, so strongly that he just explained isaac's joke
Nice video
💕 video 📹 ♥️ life OK for kobe and and his 👨👩👧 for his life. 👋
Shaq did have longevity, in his second season in the NBA 1994 he made all NBA 3rd team. In his 3rd last season in the NBA in 2009 he made all NBA 3rd team. It’s a misconception Shaq wasn’t good for the last 6 years of his career the only years he was a superstar level player were 2010 and 2011
There’s no way you’re picking a career over the other because of popularity that’s insane
Derrick Rose and Jimmy butler are really interesting to compare, on one hand arguing for Derrick Rose you have
Derrick Rose has an MVP the closest Jimmy butler got to being MVP is being tenth in MVP voting
Derrick Rose has an all NBA first team selection the best Jimmy got was a second team
Derrick Rose was able to win that MVP in a league were there was prime Kd and Prime LeBron
Then arguments for Jimmy
It’s clear that Jimmy isn’t a regular season guy and therefore MVP voting doesn’t affect his legacy as much as some other players who don’t get as drastically better in the playoffs
Jimmy has more all stars more all NBA selections and has 5 all defensive second team selections while D Rose has none
Jimmy has been to the finals twice winning eastern conference finals MVP in 2023 being the second time in history where a player has lead an 8th seed to the finals (the other time was the lockout with the 8th seed having won 50 games)
Jimmy has 2 finals appearance Derrick Rose has none with the furthest him getting in the playoffs being conference finals in 2011
I think I would have to take Jimmy in this scenario of who’s had the better career though if D Rose hadn’t got injured it would almost certainly be him
I will actually take Tim Duncan career than kobe because of the "ALLEGATIONS" that happen in 2003
That's not associated with his career, that's his personal life
Literally has nothing to do with his career lol
Boogie’s 2x Gold Medal puts him above Wall
This video alone serves that the most influential players don't always have the best careers bc Tim is easily over Kobe, Russ is over AI, etc.
Bro you cannot tell me that Duncan losing in 7 against the heatles is worse than Kobe getting gentlemen’s swept by the 04 pistons. I’ll hear that Kobe had the greater overall career, but not for that reason
Or that beatdown in 08.
It's not even close to Duncan's worst loss. Losing to the 8th seeded Grizzlies in the 2011 playoffs was worse.
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@9:30 if that is your basis for selecting a better career then that is just ridiculous it’s not even about basketball anymore
Tim Duncan had a better career than Kobe
Somebody with Common sense
I feel like we forgetting yall talking about careers....
You wanna be pg? Your leg snaps in half at some point i’d rather be gobert because of that
Tim never went threw ups and downs because he was that good ☠️Tim's career was so good that he single-handedly convinced 98% of the basketball community that the spurs was a good team when he got drafted and when he won his first couple rings 😂
Tbh id rather be gobert. I do not want two series winners on my head
People never bring those up against PG nowadays
My picks:
Magic
Duncan
Curry
Iverson
Gobert
Boogie
Jimmy B
Jimmy Butler went to the finals with cody zeller ...
Gobert >>>
Why because of the dpoys? Paul George a 10 time all star rudy only has 3
@@yahiaali4059That's bc no one likes him
@@expiredmilk5435For good reason, bro is boring asf
8:34 / 15:27
you discount Shaq for his last years, but you dont discount steph for his first years. he wasnt anything early which is why he got that small price tag contract and then exploded bcuz of that contract they got success. Shaq demanded the most money for a long long time.
Tim Duncan clears.
Kobe over Duncan is insane 😂
why mo got a bald giannis poster
Gobert will always be remembered for COVID
Kobe had the better career cuz he was "kobe" but if kobe did the same things as Duncan and retain the "kobe" factor then kobe wud be even greater than Duncan is now
Cousins
I would NEVER want droses career let’s all be honest it’s considered a tragedy more then anything Jimmy butler on the other hand has a very underrated underdog career give me him any day with all due respect
I’m taking Jimmy over Rose bc I’m not tryna go through all those injuries bruh
I left after they said Kobe had a better career than Tim Duncan
2 sides of the ball Kobe over Curry and lebron
Harden had a better career than Klay, sure Klay got the chips but Klay was never even all NBA second team Harden was an MVP and second in MVP voting with a finals trip and arguably being the greatest scorer of all time
Duncan better career but Kobe better player they got that reversed. 2nd half of Timmy D’s career he allowed Tony Parker to be the main guy in San Antonio. He also doesn’t have remarkable numbers for like the second half of his career but he’s a dawg regardless
Gobert and covid
Westbrook is literally the all time triple double leader and has a much better MVP run. It's westbrook
AI's mvp run led him to the finals. Russ got beat in the 1st round. What're we talking about?
Russ went to the finals aswell. Westbrook nearly averaged a triple double.
@@GummyGunny Russ went to the Finals with a top 2-3 player in KD. AI carried a team with no offensive weapons beside himself. These are not comparable.
Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Steph Curry, Allen Iverson Paul George, John Wall, Jimmy Butler, James Harden
Magic Johnson,Kobe Bryant,Shaquille O Neal,Allen Iverson,Paul George,DeMarcus Cousins,Derrick Rose,James Harden
Magic
You are basically just ranking off fan/media perception and not really comparing their careers 🤔
D Rose ftw
Isaac is a munch D Rose is levels above Jimmy Butler career wise. Those finals trips were luck
Shaq also has 3 fmvps and curry only got 1
Curry has two mvps Shaq has one
Boogie over John Wall
My myplayer
The Rudy Gobert hatred is insanity. His career is way better than Paul George's.
Timmy had the better career. He never missed the playoffs.
shaq with developing kobe got a three peat. please… don’t be fool.
i'm not that little i'll beat all of you in 4 v 1
duncan had a better career kobe is more popular, playstyle doesnt mean your better
Duncan > Kobe for sure. Same rings, more MVPs, more finals MVPs, superior individual stats, better longevity, better defender, leader of a dynasty in a small market, and I’d argue both of their peaks were equally dominant just in very different ways
Superior individual stats is cap, better defender is cap, not even close as a scorer btw.
@@Alex-wz9ze advanced stats has Duncan well above Kobe, Duncan is in the convo for GOAT defender Kobe is not. Scoring yes Kobe was better but there’s a lot more to who had the greater career than just scoring.
@@Entername-md1ev by that logic Jokic is better than everyone cause his advanced stats are the best
Kobe Bryant over Duncan is wild. Kobe isn't even the greatest Laker ever. I'd take Magic, Kareem, and arguably Shaq over Kobe. Plus, Duncan is ALWAYS listed as a better all-time player than Kobe.
Not even close. Always? While they were playing, Duncan was never thought of as either the best player or face of the league. Kobe was and has. Kobe clears Duncan. You're lying to yourself if you believe otherwise.
Rename segment to "whose career would you rather have?"
Why is public opinion apart of the conversation? Like by the logic in the video D Rose had a better career than Karl Malone, because “look at his influence and look at how people love D Rose”
Public opinion has nothing to do with what a player accomplished, like White Chocolate, bro was a certified bum for a majority of his career, still had clout tho.
Shaq got 4 rings faster than steph curry so im going with shaq
Also shaq has 3 fmvp compared to curry's weakass 1 fmvp lmao, not even close.
@@andybeardsack7898 idk man, shaq career is kinda weird, after the lakers stint, he kinda went ring chasing after that so idk i might wanna lean to steph
@@Balloffamer So you lean more on longevity? Because accolades wise it's shaq
Yall are tripping. Shaq was getting swept every year until Kobe became a superstar. Shaq also got his 1st ring in his 8th season, steph in his 6th. Shaq got his last ring in his 14th, steph, in his 13th. Shaq got 3 fmvps playing against teams with no centers. Steph got robbed of at least 2 fmvps outside of the one he does have. And that one is more impressive than any of Shaqs. The smallest dude on the court became the most feared player on the court.
D rose won a sympathy mvp he was not true mvp he only got that award because his team had the best record in the league
If you take harden over klay im sorry. Harden (rightfully) gets so much shit for how he plays, flopping like a magicarp.
Y’all are not discussing career🤣 y’all are talking legacy
Duncan over Kobe.
If the the question is better player all their anseer is reversed.
In my eyes.
Bird vs Magic : Bird. Because I'm white and he indeed is our Northstar. Even I never saw him play because I'm to young. But he's my second favorite player ever.
Duncan vs Kobe : Kobe. Ok I have all the respect for Duncan. And he was indeed a great player. But his game was a bit boring to watch if you ask me. And Kobe was a stone cold killer. And one of the most exciting player's to watch. So give me Kobe over Duncan every day. And also he's my favorite player ever.
Westbrook vs AI : AI. Crossover against MJ enough said. One of my favorite MJ moments. Because MJ sucks at basketball. And I'm a huge MJ hater.
Magic beat Bird in 1979 but he had a better team. Bird beat Magic in 1984. KAREEM beat Bird in 1985. Magic beat Bird in 1987. The import years are 1984 and 1985. Bird and McCale were done in 1987.
Bird fans cope 😂, bird lost fmvp to a literal nobody 😂😂😂 he was the bum who got carried by his team magic has 2 more rigs and 1 more fmvp lil bro
@@traytyler9951 Bird and Magic both played with Hall of Famers. But why shortchange Kareem? He was the driving force behind the Lakers 1985 Championship. And Bird beat the Hakeem-led Rockets in 1986. Would they have beaten the Lakers that year? Who knows. Maybe the Celtics matched up better against Hakeem and Sampson than against Magic and Kareem. But you can go back and look at the one-on-one footage of Bird against Hakeem. Bird won the one-on-one matchup. Bird also beat Moses Malone, one of the greatest centers in NBA history and who destroyed Kareem in 1983, in his sophomore year in the NBA.
Two of curry's rings are bullshit, shaq clears him easily.
Tim Duncan is better than Kobe
yes, but kobe had a better overall career, the point of the video
Cap
@@Nuthinnull Not cap 😂
@@Y210Svjust a little bit of cap
They title the video better career and then just discuss who was liked more! Clearly timmy had the better career more mvps, more finals mvps, more winning seasons!
YES i would love to have tim duncan career over kobe anyday of the week. More winning, multiple mvps and fmvps, more consistent and doesnt have to deal with a lot of injuries
Steph curry is not a problem for the warriors team murders in life on court ⚫️⚫️👦🍒🍒🌹🌹
shaq is better than steph lol please
crazy how they talk about career yet never mention the money & earnings as the other factor
on john wall & boogie I choose wall simply because he earns more than boogie
like way more, wall earns more than 200M while boogie not even 100M on nba salaries (all before tax)
Jimmy butler is not in no hall of fame.
😅
3 of stephs championships don't count
This guy doesn't know basketball
I know it’s not basketball topic but can you guys talk about the Kendrick and Drake beef for a little bit ?
curry 2014-15 mvps so fraudulent should been ads mvp
Kobe was more popular, but Timmy has more accolades.
The main argument to put Kobe over timmy was that he was a better player and that while both had a lot of help like most stars did, Timmy had far more help over the course of his career and it was more consistent so Kobe did more with less. This isn't to say Kobe didn't have help, he did. But timmy had his core of him, manu, tp, and good role players for much longer than kobe had shaq or pau.
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