@@WaiseaWorthingtonYou have to be joking 😭. No disrepct but “career” doesn’t just defined by accolades. Like if you work at a company it doesnt only matters about how much money you got. Its about the environment how workers treat you and more bruh 😭
@@TheDwight12 That is crazy. Magic's passing was far better than Bird's and any player to that point. He catalyzed the Lakers to play offense in an entirely new way, which was high possession AND high efficiency basketball. Raw stats do not represent how good of a passer Magic was, between 83-91 he had between a 42-49 assist percentage, Bird's highest was 28.9 (good but incomparable). He was better at the rim (Bird shot less than 50% from two 6 times, Magic 1 time; and Magic averaged 54% for two compared to Bird's 50%), he was a better ball handler, he was a better passer, and he was better at playing the passing lanes. He started his career as a mediocre free throw shooter, but by the end was well above 85% for his last 8 years (averaged 88/89 before he retired the first time). Bird was a superior defender before his injuries, but Magic's effect on the offense was massive. You can see this in his offensive win shares, where he had 4 years higher than 11, 3 higher than 12. Bird hit 11 offensive win shares once. And position mattered in the 80s, while Magic would defend the interior, he also defended wings far more than Bird and therefore was not in the same positions to grab rebounds. He was a fantastic rebounder. I am not saying this to you, but rather to those who didn't get to experience Magic. Bird was a dead eye who transformed isolation basketball, while Magic was a maestro that changed how team offense was played.
@michaelcarrig627 If Bird had the ball as much as Magic did he'd be just as great of a passer. Just watching the 2 Bird because of his shot had more variety in passes he could make. Magic made regular passes look flashy and difficult. Bird made high difficulty passes look somewhat easy. Bird is a better rebounder scorer defender and team leader. Magic wasn't even the best player for some of his chips. Magic is extremely underrated but not as good as Bird
No it shouldn’t that isn’t an argument, no one uses Shaw’s dominance alone they look at how he dominated, no one should look at curry shooting alone but how his shooting helps him dominate
@@Masquin__Indigoo bro he had to go against prime lebron with super team Miami heat and the Kyrie and lebron Cavs and would take them to 6-7 games with a let’s just say not great teams. Some included jimmy butler, sure he was young but still.
@@Masquin__Indigoo lol when? I hope you don’t mean last year where Giannis was out hurt and then came back recovering from an injury. What he did in that last series was insane and I’m not downplaying that but that was not prime Giannis. And yes he made it to the finals and lost, none of those eastern teams in his 2020 finals run really move me. 1 run doesn’t make you better DERRICK ROSE. What are we talking about???
The Kobe v Duncan pick was ridiculous to even have to think about lol. That was a tough one. Duncan was pretty much always the best player on the Spurs, Robinson was getting up there in age, it took Kobe a bit to become the man in LA. Both have the 5 rings, 2 MVPs etc. I’d edge it to Kobe as well. Tough one tho.
I’m baffled by the crew saying that Steph has the longevity over Shaq. Shaq had 14 straight seasons averaging 26 and 12, Steph’s currently only had 12 seasons averaging 20 and 6 so far in his career (that’s including his 2020 injured season). Shaq 14 All NBA selections to Steph’s 8, that’s 8 first team selections for Shaq to Steph’s 4. Not saying you can’t have Steph above Shaq all-time, but stating he’s got longevity over Shaq is factually wrong as of 2024.
14 straight? No, he didn't. His last season averaging that was in 03, which makes it 10, and then his numbers dropped significantly. It's still very good, but 27ppg to 21 is pretty steep. Comparing allstar and all nba appearances for two different positions is faulty. Shaq was accumulating almost half of his when most elite centers were too old or retiring. Steph was competing against arguably the most stacked era for pgs in history. Shaq has played 19 years versus Curry's 16. You look at the last 10 years for each, and Curry clears him by a mile. As a matter of fact, curry is still playing at an elite level, whereas Shaq slow3d d9wn tremendously by his 12th or 13th season.
@@remnant8898 I was talking his overall average across those 14 seasons, I mistyped and was meant to put 26 and 6 for Steph. I was also referring to seasons where they were considered one of the best players in the league. Shaq’s prime was during the slowest paced seasons of all time, so his ppg dropping was still elite overall. He was still in MVP conversations during the mid 2000s, including runner up in 2005. I didn’t include All Star games as they are popularity contests unlike All NBA selections. I agree Steph’s prime was during arguably the greatest point guard era of all time, but most of Shag’s prime was during inarguably the strongest era for NBA centers ever, that’s why I included All NBA selections. People forget Shaq had 7 elite seasons before he even won his first championship. Again, not to say that Steph hasn’t had a long prime or saying he won’t surpass Shaq in his longevity, he’s not there yet though. Certainly not considering what Isaac said in this video.
@@PeterAtkinson okay, I'll take your word for it. The pacing argument isn't valid in this case because Shaq was still getting 18-20 shot attempts per game and he was the only elite center in the league. If he wasn't, then can you name the centers that Shaq was facing when he finally started winning chips? Because after 99, as I said earlier, most of the great centers were way past their prime or retired. And those 7 elite seasons prior to his 1st chip, he was getting swept in 6 of them, in spite of the fact that he had stacked teams. I factor in that Steph didn't come into the league as a top notch player, had to be relegated to 2nd or 3rd option his first 2 years, then after his injury riddled 3rd year, began to take off and never looked back. We're talking about longevity, you can't even look at Shaq's last 6 years and have an argument that he sustained the level of greatness that Steph is doing right now at his age.
@@remnant8898 I can’t be bothered typing any more long replies but you make valid arguments that I don’t disagree with. It’s a fun conversation to have and I have both in very similar positions on my all time list. 👍👍
Shaq vs Steph is a long conversation, but we are 20 years past prime shaq, and he still is the first name that springs to everyones mind when asked about a basketball bigman, also, the last player to 3peat with 3 finals mvps.
When you talk about the greatest shooter, the name that springs to everyone is Curry, when people shoot a 3pt ball they shout Curry's name, like how they shout kobe when they shoot a fade
Bro you cannot tell me that Duncan losing in 7 against the heatles is worse than Kobe getting gentlemen’s swept by the 04 pistons. I’ll hear that Kobe had the greater overall career, but not for that reason
With how great and charismatic yall are. I think bringing up the stats and accomplishments of the two being discussed would have been fun to watch. I know it’s all opinion based but I would of liked to see yall actually dive into it
@@cloudunderweather9554 I’ll take the dude who can play with everyone and doesn’t put himself above the team over the shot chucker that chased his best ever teammate out of town but you do you
@@JMesey9478 i respect your preference, and you can take whoever you like, but this isnt about who you like. Who objectively had the better career? Who's name is bigger, who's done more for basketball, eye test, numbers, peak, peer assessments, dominance, playoffs, these are some things i consider when looking at a persons career. And the fellas were right, aside from a few accolades, and consistency in his career, I kinda have to give the rest to kobe. Granted, consistency is a BIG deal since we're talking whole career, so I 100% understand duncan
@@son-gamer4675 No he hasn't. How many MVPs does Klay have? How many MVP vote SHARES even? How many scoring titles? How many assist titles? How many All-NBA First Teams? How many All-NBA teams period? Getting carried to 4 championships doesn't mean you had the better career.
Harden had a better career than Klay, sure Klay got the chips but Klay was never even all NBA second team Harden was an MVP and second in MVP voting with a finals trip and arguably being the greatest scorer of all time
Tim never went threw ups and downs because he was that good ☠️Tim's career was so good that he single-handedly convinced 98% of the basketball community that the spurs was a good team when he got drafted and when he won his first couple rings 😂
Klays whole career is in a winning environment while being a key piece into that winning team. James harden have a couple good years in houston, and after that his career doesnt matter anymore. So ill take klay
@@Intelligenz1 ok, you cant say "if they switch position" thats not how this works, sometimes you just get lucky to be in a position like klay and you cant change that. Sure harden is top 30 all time, but his career is nowhere near as respected as klay is
Kobe had the better career cuz he was "kobe" but if kobe did the same things as Duncan and retain the "kobe" factor then kobe wud be even greater than Duncan is now
Derrick Rose and Jimmy butler are really interesting to compare, on one hand arguing for Derrick Rose you have Derrick Rose has an MVP the closest Jimmy butler got to being MVP is being tenth in MVP voting Derrick Rose has an all NBA first team selection the best Jimmy got was a second team Derrick Rose was able to win that MVP in a league were there was prime Kd and Prime LeBron Then arguments for Jimmy It’s clear that Jimmy isn’t a regular season guy and therefore MVP voting doesn’t affect his legacy as much as some other players who don’t get as drastically better in the playoffs Jimmy has more all stars more all NBA selections and has 5 all defensive second team selections while D Rose has none Jimmy has been to the finals twice winning eastern conference finals MVP in 2023 being the second time in history where a player has lead an 8th seed to the finals (the other time was the lockout with the 8th seed having won 50 games) Jimmy has 2 finals appearance Derrick Rose has none with the furthest him getting in the playoffs being conference finals in 2011 I think I would have to take Jimmy in this scenario of who’s had the better career though if D Rose hadn’t got injured it would almost certainly be him
I would NEVER want droses career let’s all be honest it’s considered a tragedy more then anything Jimmy butler on the other hand has a very underrated underdog career give me him any day with all due respect
Duncan better career but Kobe better player they got that reversed. 2nd half of Timmy D’s career he allowed Tony Parker to be the main guy in San Antonio. He also doesn’t have remarkable numbers for like the second half of his career but he’s a dawg regardless
@@TooMirrowGyatt Russ went to the Finals with a top 2-3 player in KD. AI carried a team with no offensive weapons beside himself. These are not comparable.
Shaq did have longevity, in his second season in the NBA 1994 he made all NBA 3rd team. In his 3rd last season in the NBA in 2009 he made all NBA 3rd team. It’s a misconception Shaq wasn’t good for the last 6 years of his career the only years he was a superstar level player were 2010 and 2011
Duncan > Kobe for sure. Same rings, more MVPs, more finals MVPs, superior individual stats, better longevity, better defender, leader of a dynasty in a small market, and I’d argue both of their peaks were equally dominant just in very different ways
@@Alex-wz9ze advanced stats has Duncan well above Kobe, Duncan is in the convo for GOAT defender Kobe is not. Scoring yes Kobe was better but there’s a lot more to who had the greater career than just scoring.
They title the video better career and then just discuss who was liked more! Clearly timmy had the better career more mvps, more finals mvps, more winning seasons!
YES i would love to have tim duncan career over kobe anyday of the week. More winning, multiple mvps and fmvps, more consistent and doesnt have to deal with a lot of injuries
All of you who are saying Duncan is a better player than arguably the most skilled player in nba history is legit insane and ya are doing heavy drugs 😂 You can argue Duncan had a better career because he was in a better team system for the most part. But better player is legit insane.
you discount Shaq for his last years, but you dont discount steph for his first years. he wasnt anything early which is why he got that small price tag contract and then exploded bcuz of that contract they got success. Shaq demanded the most money for a long long time.
Kobe Bryant over Duncan is wild. Kobe isn't even the greatest Laker ever. I'd take Magic, Kareem, and arguably Shaq over Kobe. Plus, Duncan is ALWAYS listed as a better all-time player than Kobe.
Not even close. Always? While they were playing, Duncan was never thought of as either the best player or face of the league. Kobe was and has. Kobe clears Duncan. You're lying to yourself if you believe otherwise.
Anyone who thinks Duncan was better than Kobe? I flatly don’t respect you, sorry. That’s equally as stupid as having Durant or Steph over LeBron. We watched them in the same era. It was not a discussion. We randomly decided to try to rewrite history and pretend that isn’t the case. They’re not in the same class. Duncan’s great. Top 10. Not in Kobe’s class.
@@Louiscypher0903 idk man, shaq career is kinda weird, after the lakers stint, he kinda went ring chasing after that so idk i might wanna lean to steph
Yall are tripping. Shaq was getting swept every year until Kobe became a superstar. Shaq also got his 1st ring in his 8th season, steph in his 6th. Shaq got his last ring in his 14th, steph, in his 13th. Shaq got 3 fmvps playing against teams with no centers. Steph got robbed of at least 2 fmvps outside of the one he does have. And that one is more impressive than any of Shaqs. The smallest dude on the court became the most feared player on the court.
“Which career was better?”
- proceeds to name every “non career” reason why they better 😂☠️
Exactly the things they’re bringing up are subjective reasons
They're not talking about accolades, they're talking about which one you'd rather have, so the stuff off the court matters
@@Ripheart789 then why not name this “who would you rather have?” 😂😂😂
@@WaiseaWorthingtonYou have to be joking 😭. No disrepct but “career” doesn’t just defined by accolades. Like if you work at a company it doesnt only matters about how much money you got. Its about the environment how workers treat you and more bruh 😭
@@WaiseaWorthington I mean that's how they talk about it in the video, the title is a bit misleading.
"Bol Bol clears all of these guys" - Shaq
But he’s just lazy as ****
Bird is more talented, but Magic had the better career.
I say the same thing all the time magic and bird are the same player just bird has a way better shot & better defender
@@RaulFlores-ge7uhand better rebounder. Magic is a better passer but not by much
@@TheDwight12 That is crazy. Magic's passing was far better than Bird's and any player to that point. He catalyzed the Lakers to play offense in an entirely new way, which was high possession AND high efficiency basketball. Raw stats do not represent how good of a passer Magic was, between 83-91 he had between a 42-49 assist percentage, Bird's highest was 28.9 (good but incomparable). He was better at the rim (Bird shot less than 50% from two 6 times, Magic 1 time; and Magic averaged 54% for two compared to Bird's 50%), he was a better ball handler, he was a better passer, and he was better at playing the passing lanes. He started his career as a mediocre free throw shooter, but by the end was well above 85% for his last 8 years (averaged 88/89 before he retired the first time). Bird was a superior defender before his injuries, but Magic's effect on the offense was massive. You can see this in his offensive win shares, where he had 4 years higher than 11, 3 higher than 12. Bird hit 11 offensive win shares once. And position mattered in the 80s, while Magic would defend the interior, he also defended wings far more than Bird and therefore was not in the same positions to grab rebounds. He was a fantastic rebounder.
I am not saying this to you, but rather to those who didn't get to experience Magic. Bird was a dead eye who transformed isolation basketball, while Magic was a maestro that changed how team offense was played.
@@michaelcarrig627I think u made ur point clear with that English essay LMAO
@michaelcarrig627 If Bird had the ball as much as Magic did he'd be just as great of a passer. Just watching the 2 Bird because of his shot had more variety in passes he could make. Magic made regular passes look flashy and difficult. Bird made high difficulty passes look somewhat easy. Bird is a better rebounder scorer defender and team leader. Magic wasn't even the best player for some of his chips. Magic is extremely underrated but not as good as Bird
Steph being the greatest shooter ever should be used as an argument the same way Shaq's dominance is
yeah, that mf legit changed how teams played.
No it shouldn’t that isn’t an argument, no one uses Shaw’s dominance alone they look at how he dominated, no one should look at curry shooting alone but how his shooting helps him dominate
Cop out answer by curry crybabies who have no real argument 😂😂😂😂
@@hijisfriend9030no he didn’t the rules and stat analysis did you bum
And shaq isn't like the 'unarguably' most dominant ever (wilt exists)
Steph is in his own realm of shooting with no competition
"Notice that one of them is in the arena and one of them is in the club"😂
i have seen an ad for u guys at an NBA game!
big milestone for real
acutally?
@@louiecao4690 yeah its real you could see it in the arena. These guys made it
it’s bc they are partnered with house of highlights
Same
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW GOOD TIM DUNCAN WAS
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They title the video better career and then just discuss who was liked more! Clearly timmy had the better career
@@rocktor1987 preach
@@rocktor1987 Tim was more consistent but Kobe's highs were a lot higher than Tim's highs
@@AceTheSkylordHis lows were lower also tho
Poor D Rose, what it could've been
Isaac and mo trippin d rose destroys butler career
@@GOONSSCno he doesn’t only thing d rose has over butler is an mvp. D rose never made It to the finals
@@Masquin__Indigoo bro he had to go against prime lebron with super team Miami heat and the Kyrie and lebron Cavs and would take them to 6-7 games with a let’s just say not great teams. Some included jimmy butler, sure he was young but still.
@@GOONSSC Jimmy faced 2020 bron and prime Giannis
@@Masquin__Indigoo lol when? I hope you don’t mean last year where Giannis was out hurt and then came back recovering from an injury. What he did in that last series was insane and I’m not downplaying that but that was not prime Giannis. And yes he made it to the finals and lost, none of those eastern teams in his 2020 finals run really move me. 1 run doesn’t make you better DERRICK ROSE. What are we talking about???
People really forget how incredible Tim Duncan was, just because he wasn't flashy. But the dude was a certified winner!
Damn those Rudy vs Paul takes are rough for poor Rudy 😂
I would say jimmy butler also because the dude is also a better leader and reignited they’re heat culture
The Kobe v Duncan pick was ridiculous to even have to think about lol. That was a tough one. Duncan was pretty much always the best player on the Spurs, Robinson was getting up there in age, it took Kobe a bit to become the man in LA. Both have the 5 rings, 2 MVPs etc. I’d edge it to Kobe as well. Tough one tho.
Kobe only got one mvp and only two fmvps
Yall should do a Best Random MVP for a moment runs. Like, Linsanity, TJ Warren, etc
I’m baffled by the crew saying that Steph has the longevity over Shaq. Shaq had 14 straight seasons averaging 26 and 12, Steph’s currently only had 12 seasons averaging 20 and 6 so far in his career (that’s including his 2020 injured season). Shaq 14 All NBA selections to Steph’s 8, that’s 8 first team selections for Shaq to Steph’s 4. Not saying you can’t have Steph above Shaq all-time, but stating he’s got longevity over Shaq is factually wrong as of 2024.
14 straight? No, he didn't. His last season averaging that was in 03, which makes it 10, and then his numbers dropped significantly. It's still very good, but 27ppg to 21 is pretty steep. Comparing allstar and all nba appearances for two different positions is faulty. Shaq was accumulating almost half of his when most elite centers were too old or retiring. Steph was competing against arguably the most stacked era for pgs in history. Shaq has played 19 years versus Curry's 16. You look at the last 10 years for each, and Curry clears him by a mile. As a matter of fact, curry is still playing at an elite level, whereas Shaq slow3d d9wn tremendously by his 12th or 13th season.
@@remnant8898 I was talking his overall average across those 14 seasons, I mistyped and was meant to put 26 and 6 for Steph. I was also referring to seasons where they were considered one of the best players in the league. Shaq’s prime was during the slowest paced seasons of all time, so his ppg dropping was still elite overall. He was still in MVP conversations during the mid 2000s, including runner up in 2005. I didn’t include All Star games as they are popularity contests unlike All NBA selections. I agree Steph’s prime was during arguably the greatest point guard era of all time, but most of Shag’s prime was during inarguably the strongest era for NBA centers ever, that’s why I included All NBA selections. People forget Shaq had 7 elite seasons before he even won his first championship. Again, not to say that Steph hasn’t had a long prime or saying he won’t surpass Shaq in his longevity, he’s not there yet though. Certainly not considering what Isaac said in this video.
@@PeterAtkinson okay, I'll take your word for it. The pacing argument isn't valid in this case because Shaq was still getting 18-20 shot attempts per game and he was the only elite center in the league. If he wasn't, then can you name the centers that Shaq was facing when he finally started winning chips? Because after 99, as I said earlier, most of the great centers were way past their prime or retired. And those 7 elite seasons prior to his 1st chip, he was getting swept in 6 of them, in spite of the fact that he had stacked teams. I factor in that Steph didn't come into the league as a top notch player, had to be relegated to 2nd or 3rd option his first 2 years, then after his injury riddled 3rd year, began to take off and never looked back. We're talking about longevity, you can't even look at Shaq's last 6 years and have an argument that he sustained the level of greatness that Steph is doing right now at his age.
@@remnant8898 I can’t be bothered typing any more long replies but you make valid arguments that I don’t disagree with. It’s a fun conversation to have and I have both in very similar positions on my all time list. 👍👍
Wrong, just wrong
Timmy all time underrated, any argument against his legacy always based on aura
Steph made Andrew Wiggins good
Id take snapping my leg over being known as the guy who shut down a season lol
The season would’ve been shut down eventually regardless
can you guys make that "who your rather let you daughther date" again? great show by the way
Gobert >>>
Why because of the dpoys? Paul George a 10 time all star rudy only has 3
@@yahiaali4059That's bc no one likes him
@@expiredmilk5435For good reason, bro is boring asf
Shaq vs Steph is a long conversation, but we are 20 years past prime shaq, and he still is the first name that springs to everyones mind when asked about a basketball bigman, also, the last player to 3peat with 3 finals mvps.
When you talk about the greatest shooter, the name that springs to everyone is Curry, when people shoot a 3pt ball they shout Curry's name, like how they shout kobe when they shoot a fade
The fact that James harden vs klay Thompson s career was a debate is crazy
heartbeat was the word of the day for the boys
Tbh id rather be gobert. I do not want two series winners on my head
People never bring those up against PG nowadays
I saw you guys on a Milwaukee vs Pacers game!! Great job❤!!!
Bro you cannot tell me that Duncan losing in 7 against the heatles is worse than Kobe getting gentlemen’s swept by the 04 pistons. I’ll hear that Kobe had the greater overall career, but not for that reason
Or that beatdown in 08.
It's not even close to Duncan's worst loss. Losing to the 8th seeded Grizzlies in the 2011 playoffs was worse.
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Tim Duncan clears.
This video alone serves that the most influential players don't always have the best careers bc Tim is easily over Kobe, Russ is over AI, etc.
Nice video you guys are so entertaining 😊
Yalls laughs are crazy
With how great and charismatic yall are. I think bringing up the stats and accomplishments of the two being discussed would have been fun to watch. I know it’s all opinion based but I would of liked to see yall actually dive into it
11:40 lmaoooo
I feel like we forgetting yall talking about careers....
Tim Duncan had a better career than Kobe
Somebody with Common sense
Y’all did my boy Giannis dirty behind mo 😂😂😂
My picks:
Magic
Duncan
Curry
Iverson
Gobert
Boogie
Jimmy B
“I want to be a splash brother” 😂
There’s no way you’re picking a career over the other because of popularity that’s insane
@9:30 if that is your basis for selecting a better career then that is just ridiculous it’s not even about basketball anymore
Duncan > Kobe every day
You know they broke it down pretty well here. It's just hard to make a case for Duncan. Gimme kobe no disrespect
@@cloudunderweather9554 I’ll take the dude who can play with everyone and doesn’t put himself above the team over the shot chucker that chased his best ever teammate out of town but you do you
@@JMesey9478 i respect your preference, and you can take whoever you like, but this isnt about who you like. Who objectively had the better career? Who's name is bigger, who's done more for basketball, eye test, numbers, peak, peer assessments, dominance, playoffs, these are some things i consider when looking at a persons career.
And the fellas were right, aside from a few accolades, and consistency in his career, I kinda have to give the rest to kobe. Granted, consistency is a BIG deal since we're talking whole career, so I 100% understand duncan
On what basis
@@ShreedharBihani on the basis I chose him? It’s called an opinion and I don’t have to explain mine to you or anyone clown 🤡
I’d take cousins over wall I’m pretty sure he was considered the best center in the league before he got injured.
Gobert will always be remembered for COVID
You wanna be pg? Your leg snaps in half at some point i’d rather be gobert because of that
Klay over Harden is ridiculous
Play had a way better career than harde
@@son-gamer4675 No he hasn't. How many MVPs does Klay have? How many MVP vote SHARES even? How many scoring titles? How many assist titles? How many All-NBA First Teams? How many All-NBA teams period? Getting carried to 4 championships doesn't mean you had the better career.
I will actually take Tim Duncan career than kobe because of the "ALLEGATIONS" that happen in 2003
That's not associated with his career, that's his personal life
Literally has nothing to do with his career lol
Do a Conference Champion non NBA Championship team tier list. ‘96 Sonics are S.
duncan had a better career kobe is more popular, playstyle doesnt mean your better
Harden had a better career than Klay, sure Klay got the chips but Klay was never even all NBA second team Harden was an MVP and second in MVP voting with a finals trip and arguably being the greatest scorer of all time
Notice how they cant use basketball reasons for kobe 😂
Kobe´s aura will always be unmatched
Boogie’s 2x Gold Medal puts him above Wall
Tim never went threw ups and downs because he was that good ☠️Tim's career was so good that he single-handedly convinced 98% of the basketball community that the spurs was a good team when he got drafted and when he won his first couple rings 😂
Kobe over Duncan is insane 😂
While I do consider Kobe to be the better player, I don't know how you can argue his Career was better than Tim's
How tf is klay and harden close 😭😭it’s obviously harden
Klays whole career is in a winning environment while being a key piece into that winning team. James harden have a couple good years in houston, and after that his career doesnt matter anymore. So ill take klay
@@Balloffamer imagine if harden was in klays position. He would be t15 all time. Also harden is top 30 how is klay even close to that?
@@Intelligenz1 ok, you cant say "if they switch position" thats not how this works, sometimes you just get lucky to be in a position like klay and you cant change that. Sure harden is top 30 all time, but his career is nowhere near as respected as klay is
@@Balloffamer not as respected, but we are talking about who had the better career.
@@Intelligenz1 i love prime harden, but klay can win more over a longer period of time, so ill take klay
You should compare Tmac and Vince Carter
Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Steph Curry, Allen Iverson Paul George, John Wall, Jimmy Butler, James Harden
Magic Johnson,Kobe Bryant,Shaquille O Neal,Allen Iverson,Paul George,DeMarcus Cousins,Derrick Rose,James Harden
Magic
it cant be harden. klay has rings harden dosent
@@Fish2live2469 thanks to Steph Curry
We do love Larry Legend lol.
Kobe had the better career cuz he was "kobe" but if kobe did the same things as Duncan and retain the "kobe" factor then kobe wud be even greater than Duncan is now
I think they made these picks in a heartbeat 😭
Derrick Rose and Jimmy butler are really interesting to compare, on one hand arguing for Derrick Rose you have
Derrick Rose has an MVP the closest Jimmy butler got to being MVP is being tenth in MVP voting
Derrick Rose has an all NBA first team selection the best Jimmy got was a second team
Derrick Rose was able to win that MVP in a league were there was prime Kd and Prime LeBron
Then arguments for Jimmy
It’s clear that Jimmy isn’t a regular season guy and therefore MVP voting doesn’t affect his legacy as much as some other players who don’t get as drastically better in the playoffs
Jimmy has more all stars more all NBA selections and has 5 all defensive second team selections while D Rose has none
Jimmy has been to the finals twice winning eastern conference finals MVP in 2023 being the second time in history where a player has lead an 8th seed to the finals (the other time was the lockout with the 8th seed having won 50 games)
Jimmy has 2 finals appearance Derrick Rose has none with the furthest him getting in the playoffs being conference finals in 2011
I think I would have to take Jimmy in this scenario of who’s had the better career though if D Rose hadn’t got injured it would almost certainly be him
are we talking about the better career or the better pr?
Shaq was dominant, but Steph launched a revolution.
I would NEVER want droses career let’s all be honest it’s considered a tragedy more then anything Jimmy butler on the other hand has a very underrated underdog career give me him any day with all due respect
Boogie over John Wall
Duncan better career but Kobe better player they got that reversed. 2nd half of Timmy D’s career he allowed Tony Parker to be the main guy in San Antonio. He also doesn’t have remarkable numbers for like the second half of his career but he’s a dawg regardless
Tim Duncan is better than Kobe
yes, but kobe had a better overall career, the point of the video
Cap
@@Nuthinnull Not cap 😂
@@koldtermsjust a little bit of cap
Westbrook is literally the all time triple double leader and has a much better MVP run. It's westbrook
AI's mvp run led him to the finals. Russ got beat in the 1st round. What're we talking about?
Russ went to the finals aswell. Westbrook nearly averaged a triple double.
@@TooMirrowGyatt Russ went to the Finals with a top 2-3 player in KD. AI carried a team with no offensive weapons beside himself. These are not comparable.
Shaq did have longevity, in his second season in the NBA 1994 he made all NBA 3rd team. In his 3rd last season in the NBA in 2009 he made all NBA 3rd team. It’s a misconception Shaq wasn’t good for the last 6 years of his career the only years he was a superstar level player were 2010 and 2011
Shaq also has 3 fmvps and curry only got 1
Curry has two mvps Shaq has one
@@shivumagarwal Steph stole one from Harden
In realistic terms, Tim Duncan may have had a better career. Awards show for it.
2 sides of the ball Kobe over Curry and lebron
Duncan > Kobe for sure. Same rings, more MVPs, more finals MVPs, superior individual stats, better longevity, better defender, leader of a dynasty in a small market, and I’d argue both of their peaks were equally dominant just in very different ways
Superior individual stats is cap, better defender is cap, not even close as a scorer btw.
@@Alex-wz9ze advanced stats has Duncan well above Kobe, Duncan is in the convo for GOAT defender Kobe is not. Scoring yes Kobe was better but there’s a lot more to who had the greater career than just scoring.
@@Entername-md1ev by that logic Jokic is better than everyone cause his advanced stats are the best
Jimmy is definitely above Derrick Rose all time but if Rose wasn’t so injury prone he would be clear.
Shaq won 3 rings as the best player on the team. Curry did that only twice
white guy tripping bruh, what a opp in every convo
U can make arguments about careers but boogie was definitely a better player than wall
Jimmy Butler went to the finals with cody zeller ...
Isaac is a munch D Rose is levels above Jimmy Butler career wise. Those finals trips were luck
They title the video better career and then just discuss who was liked more! Clearly timmy had the better career more mvps, more finals mvps, more winning seasons!
YES i would love to have tim duncan career over kobe anyday of the week. More winning, multiple mvps and fmvps, more consistent and doesnt have to deal with a lot of injuries
All of you who are saying Duncan is a better player than arguably the most skilled player in nba history is legit insane and ya are doing heavy drugs 😂 You can argue Duncan had a better career because he was in a better team system for the most part. But better player is legit insane.
D Rose ftw
why mo got a bald giannis poster
I’m taking Jimmy over Rose bc I’m not tryna go through all those injuries bruh
“who had the better career” then proceeds to let fact over feelings come in between the kobe vs timmy debate. talk sounded like CASUALS
you discount Shaq for his last years, but you dont discount steph for his first years. he wasnt anything early which is why he got that small price tag contract and then exploded bcuz of that contract they got success. Shaq demanded the most money for a long long time.
his first years were alright for a rookie
8:34 / 15:27
The Rudy Gobert hatred is insanity. His career is way better than Paul George's.
It's not. George 1 ring Rudy 0
Kobe Bryant over Duncan is wild. Kobe isn't even the greatest Laker ever. I'd take Magic, Kareem, and arguably Shaq over Kobe. Plus, Duncan is ALWAYS listed as a better all-time player than Kobe.
Not even close. Always? While they were playing, Duncan was never thought of as either the best player or face of the league. Kobe was and has. Kobe clears Duncan. You're lying to yourself if you believe otherwise.
Bro Kareem was literally on the downside of his career with the Lakers!
Cousins
Gobert and covid
Duncan over Kobe.
Broo u guys talking bout the who’s better not who has better career.
Anyone who thinks Duncan was better than Kobe? I flatly don’t respect you, sorry. That’s equally as stupid as having Durant or Steph over LeBron. We watched them in the same era. It was not a discussion. We randomly decided to try to rewrite history and pretend that isn’t the case. They’re not in the same class. Duncan’s great. Top 10. Not in Kobe’s class.
shaq with developing kobe got a three peat. please… don’t be fool.
You are basically just ranking off fan/media perception and not really comparing their careers 🤔
D rose won a sympathy mvp he was not true mvp he only got that award because his team had the best record in the league
Shaq got 4 rings faster than steph curry so im going with shaq
Also shaq has 3 fmvp compared to curry's weakass 1 fmvp lmao, not even close.
@@Louiscypher0903 idk man, shaq career is kinda weird, after the lakers stint, he kinda went ring chasing after that so idk i might wanna lean to steph
@@Balloffamer So you lean more on longevity? Because accolades wise it's shaq
Yall are tripping. Shaq was getting swept every year until Kobe became a superstar. Shaq also got his 1st ring in his 8th season, steph in his 6th. Shaq got his last ring in his 14th, steph, in his 13th. Shaq got 3 fmvps playing against teams with no centers. Steph got robbed of at least 2 fmvps outside of the one he does have. And that one is more impressive than any of Shaqs. The smallest dude on the court became the most feared player on the court.
Didn't the players vote rudy as most overrated?
Timmy had the better career. He never missed the playoffs.
He never not had help either!
Nice video
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