@@ConstantineVidalis LeBron James (for his career): 7.4 APG 3.5 TOV LeBron james (Peak passing [2020]): 10.2 APG 3.9 TOV Chris E Paul: 9.4 APG 2.5 TOV Steve Nash: 8.5 APG 2.9 TOV Nikola Jokic (this season): 9.0 APG 3.0 TOV Tyrese Haliburton (pre injury and Siakam trade): 12.5 APG 2.5 TOV top 10? yes. top 3? Absolutely not.
Imagine Kobe gets Dwight, ships him out because he's soft, then gets fuckin Kat. My guy would've been planting C4 in Pelinka's office lmao Also Mo's Stockton disrespect is actually toxic lmaooo
his ok i guess he never got his time to shine but he had the better team with Stockton and malone in 97 and 98 finals( not saying mj is worst then Stockton he’s the GOAT)and STILL lost poor salt lake man the jazz aren’t a terrible team there just poverty they trade for the wrong person in the markenin trade they could of got deroson he’s not in his prime but they need some veteran support
Rondo had a higher IQ offensively and defensively. The only thing Trae does better than Rondo is shoot but it’s still widely inefficient at times and he turns the ball over a lot. If you’re looking to build a championship team, you need a player like Rondo. Not to say Trae can’t win one, but so much of the offence has to be sacrificed to fit his style of play. Plugging him into Boston isn’t as simple as they’re making it sound especially with how Trae plays lol
“The only thing trae does better is shoot” might be the most brain dead take I ever heard. Trae is better at literally every facet of scoring. His layup package is better (by ALOT), he has the best floaters in the game except for maybe Jokic, and he is a better mid range scorer and is on top of that he is the better shooter. On every level of scoring trae outclasses Rondo (by more than Rondo beats him in passing). The biggest gap that Rondo has is his defense but give Trae Kevin Garnett and that defense would be fine
Rondo knew what to do in those situations. Trae is nowhere near the defender pre-ACL Rondo is. This shouldn't even be up for a debate. Doc had his greatest amount of success when Rondo was his PG because of how much Rondo challenged him straight up. Rondo's IQ clears Trae's even on Trae's best day.
@@Devin2292Trae has the better float and middy game for sure but rondos layups were just as good as traes, Trae has a bigger bag but to do was tricky too and got there well. He shoots better around the rim % wise than Trae too.
Man... Y'all just made my day sad by disrespecting my man, John Stockton. He's the definition of unselfishness and the greatest passer of all time, as well as a top-tier defender.
I think Magic, Jokic, Nash, and Lebron are better passers. No disrespect to Stockton, but I think those four players are better playmakers and create a lot more with their passing.
@@engidohaile201There is no universe where LeBron, Kidd, and Nash are better passers than John Stockton. Magic, sure, but the other three are laughable.
Mo's take on Stockton Is WILD. Loved the video and congratulations on appearing on a banner during a game. Keep the videos coming cuz i'm ready to watch 'em.
@@Sectrix2pptop 10 pg all time are 1. Stephen Wardell curry 2. Magic Johnson 3. Isaiah Thomas 4. John Stockton 5. Steve Nash 6. Jerry west 7. Gary Payton 8. Jason Kidd 9. Derrick rose 10. Bob Cousy
Listen, put aside his anti-vax nonsense and association with nasty man for a sec. 10x All-Star, 11x All-NBA, 5x All-Defense, and by FAR the all-time leader in 2 of the 5 major stat categories (assists and steals). I don't even like the man, but nothing says "I don't know ball" like slandering John Stockton
As someones who’s favorite player ever is John Stockton I feel disrespected man give me Stockton Luka will never catch up to his steals or assist numbers and Stockton also was a solid shooter he could do it all and efficiently he could score he could defend he could dribble he could pass dont pit disrespect to my boy ever again
@@Nazoto look at his team. look at his injuries. look at his bad luck. he averaged the most points 2 times in a row with good players in the league. if he had better players he would have gone far
Rondo was the better all around player Blakes actually played both sides of the ball Joker is a superior player McGrady was better on both sides and more clutch Pau defense puts him over the top Barkley played in era where defense mattered just as much as offense. Not one dimensional. AD never played against anyone who was feared defensively Luka. Next Manu all around game was better and was a team first player
Y’all assess peaks and then bring up a team accolade like playoff success. Tatums team this year was leagues better than any team T-Mac ever had (bc they were never healthy). At his peak, T-Mac was a better offensive player and defensive player than Tatum has been at any point in his career so far, and it’s not even really a debate.
The recency bias is crazy. 30 point guards you’d have over John Stockton. Ok buddy. I mean if you’re talking like that then yeah give me nick claxton over bull Russell. No shit, the game evolving like crazy. Don’t matter. You gotta compare a player to his era, not to what the guys are doing nowadays vs what that player did back when they played.
To say it’s not close is crazy. We get way too enamoured on the offensive end as if defence doesn’t exist. Jokic is an A+ offensive player, but KG is like a B+/A Defensively Jokic is like a C/C+ and KG is an A+. I get Jokic’s passing is what puts him over the top, but KG was a hell of a passer at the PF back in the 2000’s averaging 4-6 assists and that was a lot for a big at that time. If he had the spacing today and the added responsibility of now being able to run the floor as a point forward, he can easily average 8-9 assists along with the already 10-13 rpg and 20-24 ppg.
Rondo as a first option was 2010-2012 lol he made the finals, ecf, and was dropping bombs in 2012 Isaac and Mo are delusional Trae Young would make the 08 celtics worse he plays zero defense 😂
Yeah “glorified rick rubio” leading the nba all time in steals and assists by THOUSANDS. Top of pg all time EASY. Not saying he’s more talented than Luka but the Stockton shade is wild
The fact that the comments think that Stockton could make it in today's league. Scorekeepers admitted to upping Stockton's numbers. He doesn't deserve shit. Neither him or Nasty Man will never and should never get respect in any way honestly.
1) Rajon Rondo. My reason because he's a better playmaker. He doesn't have the range Trae has but older experience with rings is better than newer version who's still trying to find the click. No hate on Trae but Rondo is HIM. 2) Blake Griffin! No explanation. 3) Nikola Jokic Garnett knows how to get in your head and they both have 1 chip a piece plus great experience but being a big with great passing, can lead the team and his basketball IQ is underrated, gimme that! I'll take that in a big man of the league. 4) Tracy Mcagrady! Dude was a monster! He would COOK YOU and was HE WAS HIM. No hate against Tate but damn Tracy! Put TMac Grady against Tatum in the ships and i guarantee Rockets is lifting off! PUN INCLUDED! 5) Pau Gasol. No explanation required! 6) Tough call; slight edge to Anthony Davis! Can i have both? 7) John Stockton with the slight edge. No explanations. Let the clips speak but I'm not saying Luka ain't him. He's clearly proving it! 8) Manu Ginobli. NO EXPLANATIONS.
What is this video t-mac over tatum easy rajon over trae rajon made it way farther achieved way more then trae but trae better but trae better but jt made it farther and so hes better
I have a friend who thinks Magic is better than Lebron. I asked him if prime Lebron took the place of Magic on the Lakers when they played the Bulls in the finals, would the Lakers have won? Hell yeah!
I agree with Dons TMac take. Playoff success doesn’t necessarily equate to the more skilled player. It definitely measure greatness, but not everything.
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Sleeping on T Mac, man was averaging 30 when teams were averaging 90. He was quite literally a third of an entire teams offense in and of himself.
IM DEAD XD
(98 to be specific)
It's his injuries that lowered his value for anything
Mo’s Stockton hate almost rivals Don’s Wilt rant 😂😂😂
I’m taking Rondo over Trae off of straight vibes.
rondo has the worst vibes of all time
Rondo looks like a villainous ninja turtle 😭😂
All time assists leader and all time steal leader? The slander is CRAZY
Overrated.
Most overrated Playmaker oat
@@ConstantineVidalis LeBron, Josh giddey, (i know for a FACT im missing someone)
@@MeemXDXD5 LeBron is a Top 3 Playmaker ever lol
@@ConstantineVidalis
LeBron James (for his career):
7.4 APG
3.5 TOV
LeBron james (Peak passing [2020]):
10.2 APG
3.9 TOV
Chris E Paul:
9.4 APG
2.5 TOV
Steve Nash:
8.5 APG
2.9 TOV
Nikola Jokic (this season):
9.0 APG
3.0 TOV
Tyrese Haliburton (pre injury and Siakam trade):
12.5 APG
2.5 TOV
top 10? yes. top 3? Absolutely not.
Question of the week: who is going to be better in 2 years Tyrese Maxey or Chet Holmgren?
Chet
chet fs
Fs Chet because what else can Tyrese realistically get better at
Chet but damn close
maxey
The Stockton disrespect by Mo was crazy...
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Imagine Kobe gets Dwight, ships him out because he's soft, then gets fuckin Kat. My guy would've been planting C4 in Pelinka's office lmao
Also Mo's Stockton disrespect is actually toxic lmaooo
Put some respect on stocktons name
Max Strus>>>>>>>>>>
Ik
Austin reaves clear
No
his ok i guess he never got his time to shine but he had the better team with Stockton and malone in 97 and 98 finals( not saying mj is worst then Stockton he’s the GOAT)and STILL lost poor salt lake man the jazz aren’t a terrible team there just poverty they trade for the wrong person in the markenin trade they could of got deroson he’s not in his prime but they need some veteran support
Rondo had a higher IQ offensively and defensively. The only thing Trae does better than Rondo is shoot but it’s still widely inefficient at times and he turns the ball over a lot. If you’re looking to build a championship team, you need a player like Rondo. Not to say Trae can’t win one, but so much of the offence has to be sacrificed to fit his style of play. Plugging him into Boston isn’t as simple as they’re making it sound especially with how Trae plays lol
“The only thing trae does better is shoot” might be the most brain dead take I ever heard. Trae is better at literally every facet of scoring. His layup package is better (by ALOT), he has the best floaters in the game except for maybe Jokic, and he is a better mid range scorer and is on top of that he is the better shooter. On every level of scoring trae outclasses Rondo (by more than Rondo beats him in passing). The biggest gap that Rondo has is his defense but give Trae Kevin Garnett and that defense would be fine
@@Devin2292rondo better
@@dawsonkremer2106 Trae better. READ CORRECTLY.
Rondo knew what to do in those situations. Trae is nowhere near the defender pre-ACL Rondo is. This shouldn't even be up for a debate.
Doc had his greatest amount of success when Rondo was his PG because of how much Rondo challenged him straight up. Rondo's IQ clears Trae's even on Trae's best day.
@@Devin2292Trae has the better float and middy game for sure but rondos layups were just as good as traes, Trae has a bigger bag but to do was tricky too and got there well. He shoots better around the rim % wise than Trae too.
Man... Y'all just made my day sad by disrespecting my man, John Stockton. He's the definition of unselfishness and the greatest passer of all time, as well as a top-tier defender.
Just because you have the most assists doesn't make you the best passer of all time
I think Magic, Jokic, Nash, and Lebron are better passers. No disrespect to Stockton, but I think those four players are better playmakers and create a lot more with their passing.
Lebron is not a better passer than Stockton bro.
Only Magic is unbeatably better
@@rhfluffyfishfury9105Yes he is There are 4 better passers all time than Stockton:Magic,Lebron,Nash & Kidd
@@engidohaile201There is no universe where LeBron, Kidd, and Nash are better passers than John Stockton. Magic, sure, but the other three are laughable.
Mo's take on Stockton Is WILD.
Loved the video and congratulations on appearing on a banner during a game.
Keep the videos coming cuz i'm ready to watch 'em.
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"Munching like Pac-Man" got me CREASING 😂😂😂
The John Stockton hate is crazy.
He wouldn't even be picked up somewhere in the south
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@@Sectrix2pptop 10 pg all time are
1. Stephen Wardell curry
2. Magic Johnson
3. Isaiah Thomas
4. John Stockton
5. Steve Nash
6. Jerry west
7. Gary Payton
8. Jason Kidd
9. Derrick rose
10. Bob Cousy
@@Anthony-mo9zyinteresting
"Gimme your black card as well" and "I'm taking the darker one" killed me
Mo, Kyle Guy or John Stockton?
Prime Blake (last 2 years in LA and first 2 years in Detroit) > Zion
NAH THE DISRESPECT TO STOCKTON IS CRAZY😭😭
Bro just be chatting for vibes fr lol smh
Tatum Over Tmac is NASTY 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
He didn’t clear the car 😂😂😂
Ayo if Donovan got his black card confiscated can I borrow it with no intention of returning it? 👀👀👀
Best NBA TH-camr
The photo of Giannis behind mo💀💀💀
He fooled 13 year old you 😂😂 😂😂
Ant is 22 not 23😂❤
Man y’all entertaining asf
Your munching 😂😂😂
We are DONE with John Stockton
KAT is better than Paul I know he got multiple rings but like bro kat more athletic and better shooter and is a decent defender I think Karl’s better
T-Mac & JT the same player lowkey … one had help and the other didn’t until it was to late and injuries happened
Jokic doesn't move mountains he moves Horses
Most overrated player I seen
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 what makes jokic overrated
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 I’ve never seen a take more blatantly wrong in my life … you’d make good money on ESPN
Random J Brown slander lol
First
Nope u aint
Listen, put aside his anti-vax nonsense and association with nasty man for a sec. 10x All-Star, 11x All-NBA, 5x All-Defense, and by FAR the all-time leader in 2 of the 5 major stat categories (assists and steals). I don't even like the man, but nothing says "I don't know ball" like slandering John Stockton
Anti-vax nonsense?
32 seconds ago is crazy
Ngl we need more of these videos.
Black Card being rescinded is wild lmao
“Give me Duncan Robinson”
Yeah Mo imma need that basketball card from you dawg
Calling a grown man Karl is wild💀
As someones who’s favorite player ever is John Stockton I feel disrespected man give me Stockton Luka will never catch up to his steals or assist numbers and Stockton also was a solid shooter he could do it all and efficiently he could score he could defend he could dribble he could pass dont pit disrespect to my boy ever again
Ya these guys are idiots
Kat, Ad, and Ant would wash tf outta pau, charles, and ginobili
Is Chet the best white American in the league rn?
No. Reaves
I’m a Lakers fan and I don’t know about that. Reeves is a better ball handler/passer, but Chet is a better shooter and more valuable defender
Honestly yeah lol I was just having a conversation about this with some friends not too long ago. Chet the great white hope lowkey for white Americans
Prime Tmac was a beast. Even Kobe said he was the toughest to guard. Tatum only went further in the playoffs is because his team was wayyy better
Still wasn't able to get past the first round.
@@Nazoto look at his team. look at his injuries. look at his bad luck. he averaged the most points 2 times in a row with good players in the league. if he had better players he would have gone far
The Stockton disrespect is wild. Really puts these guys ball knowledge in question
OR they have different opinions
Rondo was the better all around player
Blakes actually played both sides of the ball
Joker is a superior player
McGrady was better on both sides and more clutch
Pau defense puts him over the top
Barkley played in era where defense mattered just as much as offense. Not one dimensional. AD never played against anyone who was feared defensively
Luka. Next
Manu all around game was better and was a team first player
I clicked on it because I saw a Magic vs Steph comparison 😥 They never showed that part
Y’all assess peaks and then bring up a team accolade like playoff success. Tatums team this year was leagues better than any team T-Mac ever had (bc they were never healthy). At his peak, T-Mac was a better offensive player and defensive player than Tatum has been at any point in his career so far, and it’s not even really a debate.
Trae young is better and is a fit to be a first or second option, rondo is probably a better fit in allot of good teams.
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0:29 that black card part was so unnecessary but funny af 😂😂
Ginobili absolutely posterized Chris Bosh and we’re saying he couldn’t poster John Collins that’s gross
Best NBA youtuber
The Stockton disrespect is ridiculous.
The recency bias is crazy. 30 point guards you’d have over John Stockton. Ok buddy. I mean if you’re talking like that then yeah give me nick claxton over bull Russell. No shit, the game evolving like crazy. Don’t matter. You gotta compare a player to his era, not to what the guys are doing nowadays vs what that player did back when they played.
Jokic > KG
I’m sorry Jokic is wildly better it’s not even close tbh
KG is better, what are u saying
To say it’s not close is crazy. We get way too enamoured on the offensive end as if defence doesn’t exist. Jokic is an A+ offensive player, but KG is like a B+/A
Defensively Jokic is like a C/C+ and KG is an A+.
I get Jokic’s passing is what puts him over the top, but KG was a hell of a passer at the PF back in the 2000’s averaging 4-6 assists and that was a lot for a big at that time. If he had the spacing today and the added responsibility of now being able to run the floor as a point forward, he can easily average 8-9 assists along with the already 10-13 rpg and 20-24 ppg.
To say its not even close is a stretch
Jokic can't even play defense. Not to mention dude got a stacked team in their prime with one ring. Rode the bench for two years.
If it’s about all time Kg is better but about season or skill wise I’d say it’s closer
Rondo as a first option was 2010-2012 lol he made the finals, ecf, and was dropping bombs in 2012 Isaac and Mo are delusional Trae Young would make the 08 celtics worse he plays zero defense 😂
Yeah “glorified rick rubio” leading the nba all time in steals and assists by THOUSANDS. Top of pg all time EASY. Not saying he’s more talented than Luka but the Stockton shade is wild
Prime Rondo over Trae Young Any Day is crazy Don😂😂
The fact that the comments think that Stockton could make it in today's league. Scorekeepers admitted to upping Stockton's numbers. He doesn't deserve shit. Neither him or Nasty Man will never and should never get respect in any way honestly.
1) Rajon Rondo.
My reason because he's a better playmaker. He doesn't have the range Trae has but older experience with rings is better than newer version who's still trying to find the click. No hate on Trae but Rondo is HIM.
2) Blake Griffin!
No explanation.
3) Nikola Jokic
Garnett knows how to get in your head and they both have 1 chip a piece plus great experience but being a big with great passing, can lead the team and his basketball IQ is underrated, gimme that! I'll take that in a big man of the league.
4) Tracy Mcagrady!
Dude was a monster! He would COOK YOU and was HE WAS HIM. No hate against Tate but damn Tracy! Put TMac Grady against Tatum in the ships and i guarantee Rockets is lifting off! PUN INCLUDED!
5) Pau Gasol.
No explanation required!
6) Tough call; slight edge to Anthony Davis! Can i have both?
7) John Stockton with the slight edge.
No explanations. Let the clips speak but I'm not saying Luka ain't him. He's clearly proving it!
8) Manu Ginobli.
NO EXPLANATIONS.
Bruh Trae is not better than Stockton. Stockton is one of the best pure PG’s ever. Even Payton said he was the hardest player to guard.
Charles va AD is easy if uou compare the actually AD versis his potential. AD isnt consitantly a dog like Chuck
John Stockton is the all-time leader in assists and steals. There are maybe like 5 point guards in history I’d rather have over him. Mo is tripping.
Give me Manu Ginobili 24/7 365. he beat the sh*t out of that USA team back in 04 olympics.
Im pickin luka but how we not gonna talk about how Stock leads all time in assist and steals and NEVER got hurt? And he could shoot. Get outta here
The John Stockton and Charles Barkley disrespect is unbelievable
Stockton was Steve Nash with defense. Put some respect on his name, just because he's associated with Malone, stop it.
ANT over Manu and T-Mac over Tatum any day....that shoudn't even be questioned wth.
The Stockton disrespect is crazy.
No shot they win w trae young lol..pierce and allen not getting touches at all..rondo gave them the ball to make plays..not just get the assist
Put Trae young on the 08 Celtics and they may not win anything. They’d start hunting Trae down.
1:45 true
So Trae young put up a 40-10-8in the ECF….. wait that was rondo 😬😬😬
Did he just say Rondo playmaking is debatably better than Trae?😂
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What is this video t-mac over tatum easy rajon over trae rajon made it way farther achieved way more then trae but trae better but trae better but jt made it farther and so hes better
T Mac disrespect is crazy. Tatum should have been 3-0d
Rondo’s better than Trae Young. There’s more than just being a scorer on not good teams in the league
The amount of times I rewatched “better than Karl” is unhealthy 😂
Trae isn’t going to average 25 a game with the big three … Rondo was what they needed …
Rondo def over Trae young. Trae inefficient and plays 0 defense
Better passer between young and rondo is not debatable… it’s rondo
Okay but real talk why do y'all hate John Stockton so much
Rondo fit that system way better than Trae would have.
Gimme rondo too wtf yall takes be chopped sometimes
Nah WTF ate yall insane? What's up w the Stockton hate
Ad is better then Charles in 95% of scenarios
kg vs giannis would be more fair of a comparison
This definitely shows your age the beginning was ridiculous, Tatum over Tracy McGrady's insane. Brushing off KG and John.....
When was Tmac made the 2nd round again?
Prime T Mac was way better than Tatum ever was
The disrespect on Stockton goes crazy
Stop disrespecting Stockton dawg come on
KG so underrated, better than Jokic.
I’m taking Trae over rondo but the rondo disrespect was crazy. Early 2010s rondo was a beast it’s a lot closer than yall made it out to be lol.
lol it was just a response to Donnavan's energy the other way. Its for sure close
So much disrespect to Stockton😂
Rondo over Trae and it's not close.
black racism, hello 2024
Tatum over Tmac is just crazy
Man, T-Mac disrespect is insane
I have a friend who thinks Magic is better than Lebron. I asked him if prime Lebron took the place of Magic on the Lakers when they played the Bulls in the finals, would the Lakers have won? Hell yeah!
I agree with Dons TMac take. Playoff success doesn’t necessarily equate to the more skilled player. It definitely measure greatness, but not everything.