Here's what "blasphemy against the holy spirit" means, and why it won't be forgiven "for the eon" - Israel rejected their Messiah. Christ forgave them on the cross, knowing they they would get a second chance to usher in the Kingdom through the apostles. The apostles, at pentecost, were given divine power from God (also known as the holy spirit), to do miraculous healings and works. Israel and the pharisees rejected the apostles as well. They rejected the power of God (or holy spirit) as it acted through the apostles. Now Israel is set aside for eon, until "the fullness of the nations" comes to Christ. Israel still has promises that need to be fulfilled; but this comes in the next eon, because they are "not forgiven" until then. (Romans 11 details this)
@@HunterStiles651 coming from an Orthodox, it's far better to be Catholic than JW. And, at least Catholics are Apostolic, something Protestants can't say
@@HunterStiles651than youre not very good in Catholic theology, which is clearly based on Scripture. We only disagree on the very argueable, minor things. And stop hating us but not the Orthodox, we are almost the same.
Really? Can you please back that up? I would be curious to see the correct translation versus the corrupt one. You know, to do an actual side by side comparison.
@@dennisjump8655 JWs think their Bible is the most accurate one. So if you can show the deity/personhood of the Holy Spirit from their own Bible, it’s a win.
Blasphemy can also only be done against God. When Jesus says that anyone who blasphemes against the Spirit will not be forgiven, He’s implying that the Spirit is God.
@JoeOrsak In the dictionary, a cult means [ a group of people who follow a man ]. Do you VOTE? If so, then aren't you following a man ? Are you involved in a cult ? Do your accusations actually apply to you ?
@@KK-AA-YY I haven't voted yet, and even if I have, that doesn't mean that I follow that person, because I don't have to agree with them in everything. Jehovah's Witnesses follow a group of men, that is, governing body, in almost every meeting they're reminded that loyalty to them is loyalty to God, and they should follow them even if their decision seems to not make any sense. What's more, the BITE model which describes among others how cults operate, apply to JW religion. BITE is short for Behavior, Information, Thoughts and Emotions and those are things they're controlling What's more, isn't the practice of shunning and Anty-Blood transfusion policy pretty cultist? (If you take blood and get caught you get "deleted from the congregation", which means shunning, which is an example of control over behavior. You also get shunned if you no longer want to be Jehovah's Witnesses)
This channel changed my Christianity view on almost a 180° I remember thinking that God is just one person and that the holy spirit is not a being, I don't know what else will change in the future. Sometimes its a bit hard to change my beliefs, but I guess its better as long we become more Bible acurrate christians.
In my opinion, God being three persons and one being makes Christianity more believable. Most people say that if God is greater than us then He should be beyond personality. Yet what they usually mean by this is that God has no personality. Christianity is the only religion that offers a glimpse of what a being beyond human personality would be like: three persons and one being.
Jehovah's Witnesses often respond to claims about the Trinity by asking, "Where is the Father and Son mentioned together with the Holy Spirit in this verse?" Or when the Father and Son are mentioned in other verses, they question, "Where is your Holy Spirit here?" They seem unable to grasp how Christians understand the concept of the Trinity. They expect every verse to explicitly mention the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit together; otherwise, they argue that the Trinity must be false. When we speak about the Spirit, they interpret it as referring to Jehovah alone. If we point to verses showing the unity of Jesus and Jehovah, they counter by citing Jesus' statement that "the Father is greater than him." Even more troubling is when they claim that the early Church corrupted the Bible, altering verses to support the "false doctrine of the Trinity." It’s so sad to hear such claims. I feel so sorry for them.
@@stevej71393 they strip the holiness out of everything. They treat the baptism of Jesus like their own, to show his dedication to the faith and that he belongs to the community. Nothing about salvation or anything regarding Gods grace. Sure God talks and sends a dove with his active force and such, but yeah. Nothing below surface level.
They don't say it was the early church that corrupted the Bible. Yes, some spurious insertions came later, with the passage of time, but these have been identified.
Actually, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all mentioned in Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14... So... Let them not say, "Oh, the mention of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit in 1 John 5:7 is but a corrupt addition ".
@timothytakang5407 What's your argument really? Are you saying 1John 5:7 in the King James: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one," is not a spurious insertion? Also, the Bible never said: " God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit." The idea of creating a triune God didn't come about until hundreds of years after the death of the apostles. If it was so important and we should believe it then why wasn't it explained by Jesus and his apostles? Why centuries later by the creeds and councils of men?
@@ZaneTalks392 yeah, that's true. The rule is there to deter people from seeing other versions of religion. (Mainly because if they see them, they would most likely switch religion)
0:32 I'll have you know that my power outlet has told me to turn it off many times, but every time that happened I soon woke up... coincidence? I think not!
Acts 13:2 - As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, "Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." That doesn't sound like an electric toaster to me.
Now that's how the Holy Spirits speak not a convulsing person there as if someone is breakdancing. Oh, of course its the Wrong spirit that enters them.
The "how can a person fill a person" question assumes that the Holy Spirit is a physical being. Clearly, whoever asked that question did not put any thought into it. The Spirit fills us humans the same way that God's presence filled the temple. That's why Paul calls us the "Temple of the Holy Spirit." That's why this person can fill a person because He is a Spiritual being inhabiting a physical being.
A Jehova's Whitness isn't allowed the Bible without JW produced commentary, to prevent them from coming to the wrong conclusion. I think that tells enough about the JW interpretation of the Bible.
Yes they are. Much of there commentary isn't original but citing other sources. Also most Cristians believe you should have a commentary of some kind for the same reason you should use a commentary when you read Shakespeare. We are thousands of years and culturally and linguistically removed from the text. This is why Catholics cite tradition.
@@mitslev4043 "Also most Cristians believe you should have a commentary of some kind for the same reason you should use a commentary when you read Shakespeare." What? That's wrong on both counts, I was instructed to read Shakespeare without any commentaries in school routinely and never once have really bothered to read the commentaries, its never been useful, I have no idea where you got this sily idea. And there has never been a requirement as a member of an orthodox Christian congregation, who has resided in Catholic circles, argued and discussed Scripture by reference in Eastern and Oriental Orthodox circles, and currently resides inside a fundamental Protestant outlook among fellow congregants, to read anything in Scripture with commentaries, in fact some of my Bibles don't have them much or at all, while others are full of textural criticism references and not commentaries. Even some of my study Bibles don't have any commentaries in them. What are you talking about? And what exactly do you mean culturally and linguistically removed from the text? Commentaries are not textual criticism nor are they required to recognize the context, in fact my entire outlook of reading Scripture in context has always been without any notes, references, commentaries, or textual criticism because I am quite familiar with the context, and I'm not the only one. The whole point of the Reformation especially, and has bled into the entire rest of the Church, is that you are not given interpretation, but you read truthfully so as to be led by the Spirit Himself individually.
Time-stamps 0:37 - The Holy Spirit has a will (1 Corinthians 12:11). 1:00 - The Holy Spirit has a mind (Romans 8:26-27). 1:29 - The Holy Spirit searches and knows the deep things of God (1 Corinthians 2:10-11). Testify’s point, “Does electricity search or know anything?” 1:45 - The Holy Spirit has emotions (Ephesians 4:30). 2:11 - The Holy Spirit bears witness (John 15:26). The Holy Spirit intercedes on our behalf (Romans 8:26). 2:45, 3:08 - Testify’s point about Matthew 12:32, “You can only blaspheme a being with dignity and personhood.” 3:15 - Testify’s point about Hebrews 10:29, “You don’t insult or blaspheme an impersonal thing.” 3:35 - If the Holy Spirit is distinct in a personal way, why doesn’t the Holy Spirit have a name? Not all personal beings in scripture have names! 4:30 - “The Holy Spirit has… • a mind • will • emotions • dignity • works and speaks” On that note, Acts 13:2 and Acts 28:25-27 are most interesting passages about the Holy Spirit speaking. In particular, the Holy Spirit self-identifies with a personal pronoun in the Greek (Acts 13:2).
It's a shame really, and He's the closest to us. He's the one we live with, that teaches us, guides us, shows us how to become better sons of God. He's the one who empowers us. Heck, He's responsible for our rebirth. Without Him Jesus' mission on earth was not complete, which was why He made sure to gather His disciples and breathe The Spirit into them before He left
Exactly, when I was talking with a JW I brought up Acts 5:1-4 to show that the Holy Spirit has emotions so He isn't just a force but then he said that my conclusions are too far and I conclude more than the text says... such blindness... the word of God is clear and they do everything to change it in such a way to make it agree with their assumptions and yet call it "exegesis" and "deep analysis of the Bible"
Keep reading.... we are told exactly who's spirit it was that was tested a few verses down: 9 But Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord?"
@@JonnyDoe-k1k Peace be with you Friend ❤️ The Spirit of the Lord is a Reference to the Holy Spirit. Just like how talking to the Son of God means talking to Jesus.
@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 yes, I understand... just as the Son of God is not the God he is the Son of, so the spirit of God is not the God it is the spirit of.... Peace be with you also. That's a nice thing to say.
@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 peace be with you also.. yes I understand that it is referencing the holy spirit. Just as Son of God refers to God's son, so too "the spirit of the Lord" refers to God's spirit.
@@bennelong8451 state me on the Quran the equivalent of The genesis Islam should definitely have how the world was made right ? Check the beginning of the Quran
Alright, time to play Devil's Advocate for a couple of questions: 1. People will say that got information from google, but Google doesn't actually give information, just send connects you to websites that actually have the information. So would it not be analogous to say that claiming to get a message from God and claiming to get a message from the Holy Spirit as literally meaning the same thing, even if the words are different? 2. So this Video points to the Holy Spirit as having personified traits, but couldn't the Holy Spirit just be God's messenger? Or in other words, just a servant of God?
Peace be with you Friend ❤️ 1. The Holy Spirit is God, so Yes. 2. The Holy Spirit is more than a servant, he is the Spirit of the Father & the Son, which describes the Relationship that he has with the Father & the Son.
These next passages are about the Holy Spirit being a separate person from the Father and the Son, and also being God. Matthew 3:16-17 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 15:26-27 But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning. John 16:13-15 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you. 2 Samuel 23:2-3 (David calling the Spirit God) “The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me, And His word was on my tongue. 3 The God of Israel said, The Rock of Israel spoke to me: ‘He who rules over men must be just, Ruling in the fear of God. Acts 5:3-4 (Peter calling the Spirit God) But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
Awesome video, Holy Spirit is a true blessing in my life. ^^ (Also in timestamp 41-43 seconds, was that electric character based off the old comic, dial H for hero?)
@@Josh-bn4ki ah ok thx for clarifying that, Dial H for hero is an old comic series that i think might have helped inspire ben 10, and i think the electric hero from that might have a similar design. other than that, this video was epic and really helps with explaining the trinity and unique person of Holy Spirit
These next passages are about the Holy Spirit being a separate person from the Father and the Son, and also being God. Matthew 3:16-17 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 15:26-27 But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning. John 16:13-15 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you. 2 Samuel 23:2-3 (David calling the Spirit God) “The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me, And His word was on my tongue. 3 The God of Israel said, The Rock of Israel spoke to me: ‘He who rules over men must be just, Ruling in the fear of God. Acts 5:3-4 (Peter calling the Spirit God) But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
How do I talk to/interact with the Holy Spirit? I kinda feel bad knowing I spend so much time praying and talking to God and Jesus, and not including Him. Before our workouts, my bf and I pray, telling God we’re building our bodies as temples for the Holy Spirit to reside it, but that’s the most I’ve ever really thought about Him.
Peace be with you Friend ❤️ Just ask the Father to Fill you with his Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit produces Fruits in our Lives (Galatians 5:22-26). The Holy Spirit helps us to Live for Christ & Convicts us of sin (John 14:26/15-26/16:7-15/ 1 John 3:24). Do Not grieve the Holy Spirit by an evil Live, for More information read Ephesians 2:25-32.
Also by talking to Jesus you talk tk the holy spirit since they one God but also distinct people but don't worry the buble even says have the fellowship of the Holy Spirit.
There's another passage which proves the Holy Spirit is Divine and nobody thinks about it. It's Hebrews 10: 15-16 : "The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts" The Holy Spirit *testifies* and *says* then follows a verse from Jeremiah 31 and it's written *says* *the* *Lord* ! So WHO says this verse ? The Holy Spirit who is God. In the passage of Jeremiah it's the tetragrammaton.
Wish you would do a video arguing against the cataclysm of the Catholic Church and the errors in their beliefs, like saying Mary is the queen of heaven and that they took out the commandment about having idols, idols made of crosses and saints
It's not hard to understand. Only when making the claim that God's spirit is an actual person, separate but equal to Almighty God does it become illogical and therefore "difficult to understand".
These next passages are about the Holy Spirit being a separate person from the Father and the Son, and also being God. Matthew 3:16-17 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 15:26-27 But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning. John 16:13-15 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you. 2 Samuel 23:2-3 (David calling the Spirit God) “The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me, And His word was on my tongue. 3 The God of Israel said, The Rock of Israel spoke to me: ‘He who rules over men must be just, Ruling in the fear of God. Acts 5:3-4 (Peter calling the Spirit God) But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
Matthew 12:31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Does this mean those Muslims that understand the Gospel and continue to reject/slander it will not be forgiven?
There are many interpretations of this verse. 1. If you ever insult the Holy Spirit, that's it for you. Don't bother becoming a Christian as you won't be forgiven. 2. If you deny the Holy Spirit until your death, that's blasphemy as you are denying the spirit of truth. 3, If you come to the full knowledge of the truth of God, similar to how the pharisees knew of Jesus from Scripture before his coming, yet say that the Holy Spirit was not the one that filled Jesus, in fact, it was the devil. I personally believe its both 2 and 3.
@@tjpg25yeah thats likely the case imo. Many Muslims genuinely don't fully understand Christianity and get a lot of the theology wrong as their own religion teaches a faulty interpretation of what Christians believe. So if they convert they should be fine.
Wow I was wrong I’m not a JW I’m regular Christian but I thought that it was just a force since it was the power of Jesus and the father that’s for making that clear to me
@@uli6996 Great, I'm glad you asked for one. Let me show you why the Holy Spirit is NOT a Person and why Jehovah's Witnesses are correct: Both the Hebrew and Greek words for “spirit” are the same words that are translated “WIND.” Like wind, holy spirit cannot be seen; but still it is a force that can produce effects. Its referred to as the “Spirit of God” or the “Spirit of the LORD” which is evidence that it is an instrument of God.-Gen. 1:2; Judg. 15:14 At Matthew 11:19 Jesus personified “WISDOM” and depicted it as having “works” or “children.” Yet “wisdom” is not a person with an individual existence. Also, Romans 5:14, 21 personalizes “death” and “sin” as reigning kings. But we know for a fact they are not living persons. Jesus did the same in regard to the spirit; he personalized something that was actually not a person, just like he did with Wisdom. Another example we can use is the sun. The sun might be personified as a “helper,” just as the holy spirit was personified as being, since the SUN itself helps and is responsible for giving us light and brings warmth and flourishes life on Earth. Also (in case you throw this argument), what is recorded in John chapters 14 through 16 about the pa·raʹkle·tos (Paraclete, Comforter or helper) harmonizes with what the rest of the Bible says about the holy spirit. The LORD (Jehovah) through Jesus Christ USED the holy spirit to help Christians in the first century C.E. By means of it as a “helper” they gained INCREASED UNDERSTANDING of God’s purposes and prophetic Word. (Acts 2:33; 1 Cor. 2:10-16; Heb. 9:8-10) Men miraculously AIDED by the spirit spoke in foreign languages, explained God’s will and prophesied.
These next passages are about the Holy Spirit being a separate person from the Father and the Son, and also being God. Matthew 3:16-17 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 15:26-27 But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning. John 16:13-15 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you. 2 Samuel 23:2-3 (David calling the Spirit God) “The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me, And His word was on my tongue. 3 The God of Israel said, The Rock of Israel spoke to me: ‘He who rules over men must be just, Ruling in the fear of God. Acts 5:3-4 (Peter calling the Spirit God) But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
3:53 to 4:01 That's just plain stupid. Anyone who has a sliver of understanding of spirit beings would know that spirits possess people all the time. If demons can do it, why not God? It's crazy how people believe paranormal activity by demons without question but when it's from God they fire up their skepticism to the max. If a witch says she got teleported somewhere nobody thinks she's lying, if a CHRISTIAN says he was being attacked or something and God teleported him somewhere IMMEDIATELY people find it hard to believe. Why is that? You think only the devil can do these things? Then you aint seen nothing yet
0:01 The reason JW can't understand the Holy Spirit is because He's God. Pagans can only ever have a warped concept of God. Even at our best, finite believers can have an incomplete understanding of the infinite God, but it is a correct understanding.
I think a good video would be how the watch tower misrepresents christian believes such as the Trinity. They think it is something more similar to modalism (their site says that Jesus and the Father are not the same person, just as a trinitarian would argue, but somehow it should be a refutation of our belief).
After talking with a JW I live with and her friend, her friend wrote a 28 page paper trying to refute the few verses I had written down for them to look at (with 10 of those pages just being on the use of the name "Jehovah") In her argument, she made the same point, saying that the Father and Jesus are not the same person. It shows they really don't understand what we mean with the concept of the Trinity at all.
those who think the Holy Spirit is a force - and this was endemic in church "Christianity" 50 years ago) do NOT KNOW HIM they certainly are not led by Him, where scripture says those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God the thing is this belief still lingers though in another form the idea that the Holy Spirit, though a person, GIVES US an impersonal force is as absurd.' they claim that love joy peace and " the strength" are impersonal energies which we can and must manipulate after asking for them as energies and then claim to have "by faith" that turns the Holy Spirit into a demiurge ( look it up) that WE use it also puts all the burden of making the act of will back onto us. but those who walk in the flesh CANNOT Make this act of will and Romans also says that it does NOT depend on him who WILLS or runs so it is a doctrine of despair to those perceptive enough to see it
If there is a third divine person - the Holy Spirit - then he would have to be created as the second Son of God after the Logos, because the Logos was created first. But nowhere in Scripture is there any such evidence that such a being was created, called the holy spirit. He pours out his spirit, anoints with the Holy Spirit, etc. (Acts 2:17,33; 10:45; 10:38). Thus, this is the activity of God Himself, not a third divine person, and not *electricity*. It is impossible to achieve salvation without the work of the Holy Spirit. If this activity is performed by the third person of the Trinity, then there is a second intermediary needed for salvation, and this does not agree with the infallible teaching of the apostles and our Lord about the only name of Jesus, through whom salvation is possible. Jesus said to the disciples: “He who sees me sees Father” (John 14:9). The apostle teaches that Jesus is “For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in the Son” (Col. 1:19, 2:9). It seems that for theologians however, this simple teaching was not enough, and this teaching of Holy Spirit being a person was introduced in 3rd century - and from these three persons they formed the concept of one God.
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Romans 8:26 "In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans".
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you
JW: Holy Spirit is energy EO: God is energy, energy is how God interacts with creation.God’s essence is unknown. Bible: The Holy Spirit fills believers. Divine simplicity enjoyer: heretics
Dude, could you please not use insulting and diminishing images to describe anyone who disagrees with you religiously. It just creates this toxic and unreasonable enviroment. As followers of Jesus we should all love one another, instead of insulting and disrespecting anyone.
The Holy Spirit is the essence of God. That fact both makes perfect sense of the aforementioned verses, and with the fact that large swaths of early Christians did not think that the Spirit was a separate person.
Blasphemy the Holy Spirit is when you keep rejecting like the pharaoh who hardened his heart. You will be forgiven if you repent and accept Jesus. The devil will like to make you think you’re not forgiven. Remember Paul was a blasphemer.
To honor the Holy Spirit, I often refer to Him in this manner: "God the Holy Spirit". I am thankful that He is always with me to illuminate God's word to my mind and heart and to comfort me when things go wrong.
The Bible never says "God the holy spirit " Nowwhere in the Bible does it EVER say that ! When someone makes up their own god, that's IDOLATRY, which is strictly forbidden.
@KK-AA-YY the word Trinity" is not found in God's word, but it nevertheless describes the truth of the Triune God. Similarly, since the Holy Spirit is almighty God, it's no blasphemy to refer to Him as God the Holy Spirit.
@@rickgomez2885 Doesn't the Bible flat out tell us who God is ? 👇 1 KINGS 18:39 . . Darby Bible Translation . . ""And all the people saw [it], and they fell on their faces and said, Jehovah, he is God! Jehovah, he is God!""
@rickgomez2885 Why are all these people in the Bible, named after God ? Jehoadah Jehoaddan Jehoahaz Jehoash Jehohanan Jehoiada Jehoiakim Jehoiarib Jehonadab Jehonathan Jehoram Jehoshaphat Jehosheba Jehoshua Jehozabad Jehozadak * We can see that Jehovah is God.
I printed off five or more pages of Bible verses with the Holy Spirit showing mind, will, emotions, speaking, referenced as Jehovah in a verse in Hebrews 3, speaking to people, etc. The Jehovah's Witnesses at my house just waived a magic wand and declared they were all "personification". And used the Proverb about Wisdom being personified. Anyway from listening to Ron Rhodes, you just have to hope to put a pebble in their shoe... something that will be there and gently irritate them with the truth of God's Word.
These next passages are about the Holy Spirit being a separate person from the Father and the Son, and also being God. Matthew 3:16-17 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. John 15:26-27 But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning. John 16:13-15 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you. 2 Samuel 23:2-3 (David calling the Spirit God) “The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me, And His word was on my tongue. 3 The God of Israel said, The Rock of Israel spoke to me: ‘He who rules over men must be just, Ruling in the fear of God. Acts 5:3-4 (Peter calling the Spirit God) But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
@@trentitybrehm5105 excellent!💯 Thank you so much for sharing! I think I'd like to record all the passages in separate lists for easy reference. I'm sure such a list exists but I don't have it yet. I'll have to recheck my book from Ron Rhodes. It'd be great to have one list of the clearest passages that identify the Holy Spirit as God (like the very you sent from Acts) Another regarding the Holy Spirit or Jesus represented most clearly in the OT, and the one you sent from Samuel may be the best I've ever heard regarding Holy Spirit! Thank you! And I have 3 or 4 now from the NT talking about the Holy Spirit that reference the OT talking about Jehovah/Yahweh! I'm finishing up a book about the divinity of Jesus, because I took it for granted for so many years, until confronted with the lies and twisting the scriptures of the Jehovah's Witnesses and Islam. I've just got to write those passages down in various lists (Jesus being directly called God, Jesus being worshipped, OT passages referenced in the NT that show Jesus is Jehovah/Yahweh as well, etc.) The only list I have compiled right now is one showing the Holy Spirit is a Person and not just the force of God, as the JW's choose to believe. So I have about 5 pages of verses so far (still adding!) with the Holy Spirit referenced with personal pronouns, speaking directly to people several times, having a mind, will and emotions and even preferences, and many other kinds of things like that. I'm falling in love with God's Word all over again and so excited. Thank you so much for the passages you've sent! I'll add them to the one list that I do have and sit down and create the other lists, and use the other verses you sent. Create... one for the Holy Spirit being God and another one for the Holy Spirit being Jehovah... which will show quite clearly that Jehovah or Yahweh is the name of the Triune God and not the personal name just for the Father. The Jehovah's Witnesses made a big deal about knowing the personal name of God, which they meant the Father... and part of their denial that the Holy Spirit is even a Person. I tried to gently show the 5 pages worth of the Holy Spirit being a person. They had one canned response. "Oh that's just personification, like wisdom in the book of Proverbs".... It's really sad how much satan can blind us, even when they claim to get their beliefs from the Bible, but shown overwhelming evidence from the Bible itself, they disregard... If you don't mind would you say a prayer for Jonathan, Mr. Brewster, Mr. Louis, and a Mr. Spurgeon. Anyway thank you very much for the additional supporting Scriptures. God's Word is so amazing!
Greetings my brother in Christ Love your content. Well i wanted to ask tht can u make a video on other major world religions too like hinduism, buddhism etc and how can u debunk them Love u bro.
The Jw's, interpreted the holy spirit as the active force of Jehovah, first it appeared like dove, second , it appeared like 120 tongues of fire when it was given to them,
@TestifyApologetics I recently discovered this while reading Hebrews 3:7-11. The only reference that I've found that identifies the Holy Spirit as Jehovah. I'm sure you know the many OT verses that are used about Jesus and when you look them up, they're referring to Jehovah/YHVH, but this was the first one I have discovered that says the Holy Spirit says something that is an OT reference and the reference is referring to Jehovah. Anyway I was super excited and had no one to tell except the JW's who were visiting, but they dismissed it just like the OT quotes about Jesus identifying Jesus as Jehovah as well.
Peace be with you Friend ❤️ Not only that, but Hebrews 10:15-16 quotes Jeremiah 31:33 as being a direct quote from the Holy Spirit. It is, in fact, a direct quote from YHWH. So the Holy Spirit is YHWH. ❤️🕊️
@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 You know... I think I had my chapter incorrect. The one you mentioned is the one I incorrectly stated. I have been searching for the clearest Bible verses about the Holy Spirit being God. I had the one from Acts 5, where Peter uses the Holy Spirit and God interchangeable and then I recently found the one you correctly stated in Hebrews 10, showing the Jehovah is the name of the Triune God and not just God the Father... and I also believe the reference in Isaiah doubly called the Holy Spirit Jehovah and God during the passage. That's so exciting!! Do you know of any other passages where it clearly shows the Holy Spirit being referenced to as God or Jehovah (YHWH)?
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 You've made my Thanksgiving! That's so amazing! So Isaiah 6 clearly shows that Jesus is Jehovah from the reference from it, then Jesus says in John 12:21, Isaiah saw My Glory!" AND the reference you shared with me from Acts 28 that clearly shows that Holy Spirit is Jehovah! WOW! How precious and delightful is God's Word! Thank you for commenting and sharing what you've learned with me. I wasn't excited to study about other worldviews. I began to do it because I'm working on a book I've been writing for 10 years on the topic of indoctrination... because the word gets thrown around so much and I had noticed the subtle and not subtle changes in culture during my lifetime. It took years before the Lord helped me to flesh out the topic and really be able to understand it and then another few years before I was able to articulate what I had learned. Anyway, eventually I began to hope to plumb the depths of various indoctrinations from different sources so I can present a well rounded and hopefully interesting plethora of examples for each of the various indoctrinations. Eventually I began reading about various worldviews and when I began getting to the cults of Christianity, it was honestly intimidating. However, I never dreamed it would lead me into such a rich and deep dive into so many scriptures, since the JW's, Mormons, Islam really twist the Bible. It's just brought God's Word to life for me, in a new and deeper way than it has before. It's made me actually think and research the doctrines that I had taken for granted. God's Word is so inexhaustible! And Mesmerizing! I am just in awe of Him. Thank you for sharing some more of the deep treasures of His Word with me. I very much appreciate it.
@@lovesickforone Amen 🙏🏻. & No Problem, Friend ❤️ The Word of God is Alive & Powerful (Hebrews 4:12). Inspired by God(2 Timothy 3:16). Which Jesus wants us to be Sanctified in(John 17:17). God Bless 🙏🏻❤️
John 4: 23 ... a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
The majority of my family is Mormon, some family member have been warning them about it, but it doesn't seem to be enough for them. Can you please upload a video on Mormonism?
Peace be with you Friend ❤️ In Context, the Bible does uses "He" for the Father, but in 1 Corinthians 12:11, "He" can mean the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:4,7).
Some of these are weak in spite of the fact I agree. The spirit distributes spiritual gifts as He wills. "He" in this context could be the father. I'm not letting a trinitarian get away with saying the bible never uses "He" to say the father. A sign is a non living object that tells you where to go. So is a telephone if someone is speaking from the other side. Electricity searches for the lowest resistance path, also knowing could be in reference to the spirit being the only one doing the will of god. "my calendar testifies that I was not there on that date". People lie to objects all the time like mirrors for example.
Peace be with you Friend ❤️ In Context, the Bible does uses "He" for the Father, but in 1 Corinthians 12:11, "He" can mean the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 12:4,7).
Due to the Greek, the referrent to "He" can only be the Spirit. The verse does not contain a separate word for "he" there, and the immediate antecedent is the spirit, which forces us to conclude that it is the Spirit that does these things. In Greeks verbs are conjugated and do not need a separate pronoun to indicate the actor, rather the action of the verb is implied to be the one of whom the passage discusses, that being the Spirit.
the video presents common Trinitarian arguments for the personhood of the Holy Spirit, but it does so by relying on specific interpretations of scripture, assuming anthropomorphism equates to literal personhood, and oversimplifying the Jehovah's Witnesses' doctrine. the core issue is the interpretation of biblical language and the application of later theological concepts to ancient texts. while the video may be persuasive to those who already hold a Trinitarian view, it's not a definitive debunking of the Jehovah's Witnesses' position.
@@TestifyApologetics a non-response which avoids engaging with a substantive critique by dismissing it based on its supposed origin (genetic fallacy). a proper response requires addressing the actual arguments presented, regardless of their source.
@@TestifyApologetics 1) the video's arguments rely heavily on specific interpretations of biblical passages. Jehovah's Witnesses have different interpretations of the same verses, which lead them to a different conclusion. the video doesn't engage with these alternative interpretations in depth. for instance, Jehovah's Witnesses interpret the "grieving" of the Holy Spirit as referring to grieving God, whose spirit is being grieved. 2) the video assumes that any description of the Spirit acting like a person must mean the Spirit is a person. this ignores the possibility of anthropomorphism, where non-human entities are described using human characteristics. the Bible often uses anthropomorphic language to describe God himself (e.g., God's hand, arm, eyes), which doesn't mean God has a literal physical body. 3) some of the anticipated rebuttals use circular reasoning. for example, the video argues that because evil spirits can fill people while remaining personal beings, the Holy Spirit filling people also proves personhood. this assumes the very point it's trying to prove. 4) the concept of "personhood" as understood in modern Trinitarian theology is a complex philosophical and theological concept that developed over centuries. simply applying this concept to biblical texts without considering the historical and linguistic context can be misleading. 5) the video simplifies the Jehovah's Witnesses' understanding of the Holy Spirit. they don't simply view it as an impersonal force like electricity. they believe it is God's active force, emanating from him, but not a separate person within a Trinity.
Different interpretations exist, sure, but they need to stick to what the text actually says. Take Ephesians 4:30-how does an impersonal force “grieve”? The Greek clearly refers to personal emotion. And calling the Spirit’s actions anthropomorphic doesn’t work either. The Spirit teaches, intercedes, and even gets lied to (Acts 5:3-4). That’s way beyond metaphor. It’s not like saying “God’s hand,” which is clearly symbolic. The argument about evil spirits isn’t circular-it’s an analogy. If evil spirits, as personal beings, can “fill” people, it makes sense the Spirit, described with personal traits, could too. No assumptions there. Yes, Trinitarian theology developed over time, but the Bible already shows the Spirit as personal. The terms evolved; the concept didn’t. Finally, Jehovah’s Witnesses calling the Spirit “God’s active force” doesn’t explain away the personal actions and traits attributed to the Spirit in Scripture. Forces don’t grieve, teach, or intercede. The text points to personhood, plain and simple. Leave the cult bro.
Really liked this video. How would you respond to the "Well that's not a valid Bible translation, and if you look at our translation you'll see that..." ?
I was asked recently if we are able to pray to the Holy Spirit and only the Holy Spirit. The Spirit is certainly a person, He is referrered to as such in the Scripture, but I have seen arguments from both sides online on question of if we can pray to only the Holy Spirit without also invoking the Father or the Son. The ones in favor point out the Holy Spirit is God, which is true, and thus we can pray to Him just as we could the Father or the Son. I've read others saying we cannot because the Holy Spirit does not speak on His own initiative, citing John 16:13-14, and that no clear examples of prayers directed only towards the Holy Spirit can be found within the Bible. I will admit that I am a bit stumped on this one.
Peace be with you Friend ❤️ You can pray to the Holy Spirit but Not only to the Holy Spirit. Our Prayer is to God; the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit.
Prayer is rightly directed to the person of the triune God who is responsible for the particular work at the heart of our prayer. An Example that I found is; we should never pray, “Thank you, Father, for becoming incarnate and dying on the cross for my sins.” That prayer is wrongheaded! Rather, we should pray, “Thank you, Son of God, for becoming incarnate and dying on the cross for my sins.”
As for John 16, this Explanation should cover it; ""consider the full context of Jesus’s affirmation of the Spirit’s role: “He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.” One wonders how the specific role of the Spirit highlighted here-glorifying the Son by speaking about Jesus (i.e., inspiring Scripture, which focuses on Christ)-would preclude prayer to the Spirit, even something like this: “Holy Spirit, thank you for inspiring the Gospel of John and revealing the glory of Jesus!” Prayer to the Spirit for his intervention through works specifically attributed to him-e.g., conviction of sin, inspiration of Scripture, regeneration, sanctification-by no means contradicts Jesus’s affirmation in this passage""
1 John 4:16 God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
I think you get their conception of the holy Spirit wrong. They don't simply see it as a force but a manifestation of gods will. So for example i am a person and my will moves my arm. They would say the will of god acting on reality is the holy Spirit. The will mind etc of the holy Spirit is simply the fathers under their conception.
I think portraying the spirit as a sort of "messenger," "arbiter," or "personal essence" of God seems to be most accurate. It's not as though the Spirit behaves independantly from God, but rather seems to be the literal "Spirit" of Christ / The Father. The Living Will as it were.
@@patrick953 Yes, I suppose in the same sense as Christ being His own person from The Father, but in a much more abstract or spiritual sense. Romans 8:9 is partly what I mean by this: "You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ." and Galatians 4:6 "Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, ‘Abba, Father.’" Both passages refer to The Holy Spirit as "The Spirt of God", "The Spirit of Christ" or "The Spirit of His Son." So it's not as though Christ's spiritual form is a different thing from The Holy Spirit, but rather, spiritualism itself is a little unconventional, so Christ can be separate from His own Spirit as though they are two persons, because they are. In a similar sense, people often refer to their own Spirit as being separate from their Ego(self), so I believe this is the same as that.
when making videos on jws if you want to show them their inconsistency you should really consider using the new world translation because if you use anything else they will see what the new world translation says and if it's different which it will probably be because it is changed they will dismiss you. ephesians 4:30 for example doesn't land because their bible says God's holy spirit instead of the Holy Spirit. they will just say don't hurt God's feelings or something.
To add on, we the believers are likened unto empty vessels (I believe this assertion is made in Galatians, but I don't remember if I'm right), which alludes to the fact that we ourselves are temples unto the living God. As God the Father is up in Heaven doing his thing, and Jesus the Son is at his right hand constantly interceding for us, the Holy Spirit dwells on this earth. More specifically, this is the part of God that dwells within us. There's a lot more I could potentially go on about, but I am not particularly well-versed and am at fault for getting something wrong. I'd rather tie the whole temple comment at the end to this little tidbit.
Zechariah 4:6 NIV [6] So he said to me, “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,’ says the Lord Almighty. God's Spirit and His power are separated. Case closed.
@2:53 So doesn't your assertion here actually contradict the Trinity? If Jesus and the Holy Spirit are both God, why can one speak against Jesus and be forgiven but not the Holy Spirit? How do you reconcile that using arguments derived from Scripture that are also consistent with every other verse? Speaking against Jesus should be the same as speaking against God or the Holy Spirit, no? Further, it is suspect that the author doesn't mention "speaking against" God himself. If one were to start from your belief in the same Trinity that the writer of this Scripture also allegedly believed in, it seems logical that they would mention the status of "forigivability" when speaking against God, if only because they also mentioned the other two parts of the Trinity and the difference in "forgivability" for speaking against either. The fact that they did NOT suggests that there is a relationship between the two (God and the Holy Spirit) such that mentioning both is unnecessary but it DOES require a distinction from the Son.
Peace be with you Friend ❤️ It depends on the Role. Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit is denying the Conviction of the Holy Spirit until you die (John 16:8-11/Hebrews 10:28-29).
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 This doesn't answer the question at all. There is a clear distinction made in the Scriptures between Jesus and the Holy Spirit. If they are both God then "speaking against" either should be just as unforgivable.
Correction he does have a name. All three of the trinity are YHWH. That's why we baptize in the NAME (one name not plural) of the Father the Son age the Holy Spirit. One name three persons
In the Greek texts what people commonly call the New Testament, one can nit find ant text where the holy spirit is called a "he". Poor translation has meant that at times, the masculine pronoun "he" is used of the holy spirit but that is due to just that, poor translation and theological bias. When a translators stays by the rules of grammar no where is the hoy spirit ever called a he. The holy spirit is often personified like so many inanimate things are personified in the Bible. Just because a thing is said to do what humas can di does nit make them individuals.
If Holy Spirit wasn't a person blasphemy against him as unforgivable sin wouldn't make sense
Here's what "blasphemy against the holy spirit" means, and why it won't be forgiven "for the eon" -
Israel rejected their Messiah. Christ forgave them on the cross, knowing they they would get a second chance to usher in the Kingdom through the apostles.
The apostles, at pentecost, were given divine power from God (also known as the holy spirit), to do miraculous healings and works.
Israel and the pharisees rejected the apostles as well. They rejected the power of God (or holy spirit) as it acted through the apostles. Now Israel is set aside for eon, until "the fullness of the nations" comes to Christ.
Israel still has promises that need to be fulfilled; but this comes in the next eon, because they are "not forgiven" until then. (Romans 11 details this)
I got to give it to you, from all theories and conspiracies around that passage, this is the first time I heard this one.
But blasphemy against the Holy Spirit being the unforgivable sin puts the Holy Spirit above the Father, no ?
@@Ryan_Nath I assume since they're all equally god blaspheming against one is doing it to them all.
DO NOT BLASPHEMY THE ELECTROMAGNETIC FORCE
I appreciate your videos as a former JW (now a Catholic)
I suppose that's *an* improvement, just not a particularly big one.
@@HunterStiles651 coming from an Orthodox, it's far better to be Catholic than JW. And, at least Catholics are Apostolic, something Protestants can't say
@@HunterStiles651 Trust me, as a protestant, he made HUGE improvement
I'm a Catholic trying to preach to JW. Pray for me, brother. Welcome home.
@@HunterStiles651than youre not very good in Catholic theology, which is clearly based on Scripture. We only disagree on the very argueable, minor things. And stop hating us but not the Orthodox, we are almost the same.
JWs only rebuttal: “You’re using a corrupt translation!”
Sounds familiar?
Yes
Really? Can you please back that up? I would be curious to see the correct translation versus the corrupt one. You know, to do an actual side by side comparison.
@@dennisjump8655 JWs think their Bible is the most accurate one. So if you can show the deity/personhood of the Holy Spirit from their own Bible, it’s a win.
Their argument is the same method that the Muslim Apologist used,@@ChristOverAll-1
@ChristOverAllJeremy If the Holy Spirit is a person, what is the name of the Holy Spirit?
Blasphemy can also only be done against God. When Jesus says that anyone who blasphemes against the Spirit will not be forgiven, He’s implying that the Spirit is God.
He also said any blasphemies against him could be forgiven in the age, thus means Son, and Holy Spirit are both also God.
@@justchilling704One of the best trump moments is when he was asked what his favourite verse is, you should check it out
@@justchilling704wouldn't it mean/prove Jesus is not God?
@ No, if you can blaspheme Jesus, Jesus is subtly saying he is in fact God. No way around that. The Biblical authors do not randomly use words.
@@CanadianLoveKnot you can only commit blasphemy to God, if he doesnt have divine nature any offends against him wouldn't be a blasphemy
As ExJW, i'm thankful for every blow against that cult!
@@bennelong8451 By shunning if you? Like... what this argument is about?
@@tymion2470 💀💀💀
Lol
@JoeOrsak
In the dictionary,
a cult means
[ a group of people who follow a man ].
Do you VOTE?
If so, then aren't you following a man ?
Are you involved in a cult ?
Do your accusations actually apply to you ?
@@KK-AA-YY I haven't voted yet, and even if I have, that doesn't mean that I follow that person, because I don't have to agree with them in everything.
Jehovah's Witnesses follow a group of men, that is, governing body, in almost every meeting they're reminded that loyalty to them is loyalty to God, and they should follow them even if their decision seems to not make any sense.
What's more, the BITE model which describes among others how cults operate, apply to JW religion. BITE is short for Behavior, Information, Thoughts and Emotions and those are things they're controlling
What's more, isn't the practice of shunning and Anty-Blood transfusion policy pretty cultist? (If you take blood and get caught you get "deleted from the congregation", which means shunning, which is an example of control over behavior. You also get shunned if you no longer want to be Jehovah's Witnesses)
This channel changed my Christianity view on almost a 180°
I remember thinking that God is just one person and that the holy spirit is not a being, I don't know what else will change in the future.
Sometimes its a bit hard to change my beliefs, but I guess its better as long we become more Bible acurrate christians.
In my opinion, God being three persons and one being makes Christianity more believable. Most people say that if God is greater than us then He should be beyond personality. Yet what they usually mean by this is that God has no personality. Christianity is the only religion that offers a glimpse of what a being beyond human personality would be like: three persons and one being.
@@WideMouthBingo
Glad you have the more or less correct view of God now.
Jehovah's Witnesses often respond to claims about the Trinity by asking, "Where is the Father and Son mentioned together with the Holy Spirit in this verse?" Or when the Father and Son are mentioned in other verses, they question, "Where is your Holy Spirit here?" They seem unable to grasp how Christians understand the concept of the Trinity. They expect every verse to explicitly mention the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit together; otherwise, they argue that the Trinity must be false.
When we speak about the Spirit, they interpret it as referring to Jehovah alone. If we point to verses showing the unity of Jesus and Jehovah, they counter by citing Jesus' statement that "the Father is greater than him." Even more troubling is when they claim that the early Church corrupted the Bible, altering verses to support the "false doctrine of the Trinity."
It’s so sad to hear such claims. I feel so sorry for them.
How do they view the baptism of Jesus? That seems like a pretty clear depiction of the trinity to me.
@@stevej71393 they strip the holiness out of everything. They treat the baptism of Jesus like their own, to show his dedication to the faith and that he belongs to the community. Nothing about salvation or anything regarding Gods grace. Sure God talks and sends a dove with his active force and such, but yeah. Nothing below surface level.
They don't say it was the early church that corrupted the Bible.
Yes, some spurious insertions came later, with the passage of time, but these have been identified.
Actually, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all mentioned in Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14... So... Let them not say, "Oh, the mention of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit in 1 John 5:7 is but a corrupt addition ".
@timothytakang5407 What's your argument really?
Are you saying 1John 5:7 in the King James:
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one,"
is not a spurious insertion?
Also, the Bible never said:
" God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit."
The idea of creating a triune God didn't come about until hundreds of years after the death of the apostles.
If it was so important and we should believe it then why wasn't it explained by Jesus and his apostles?
Why centuries later by the creeds and councils of men?
Gonna send this to my JW friend..
@@mrAletheon god bless you
Tell us how it goes 👀
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought JWs had some sort of rule that they couldn’t read or watch other religion’s propaganda.
@@ZaneTalks392 yeah, that's true. The rule is there to deter people from seeing other versions of religion. (Mainly because if they see them, they would most likely switch religion)
@@ZaneTalks392 it's how they keep the false religion going
0:32 I'll have you know that my power outlet has told me to turn it off many times, but every time that happened I soon woke up... coincidence? I think not!
😂funny
Clever boy!
Isaiah 63:10 "they rebelled and grieved his Holy spirit" , you can't really make a force grieve
Gravity when dropping a fork on the ground be like: 😔
the bible also personifies death and wisdom are they people as well ?
@@Mt554. Not the same context.
It isn’t a force it’s God, thus why your able to blasphemy against the Spirit, Because the spirit is God
@@BiblicalTrinitarian its actually very similar context, by his logic, death and wisdom are people
Acts 13:2 - As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, "Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them." That doesn't sound like an electric toaster to me.
Now that's how the Holy Spirits speak not a convulsing person there as if someone is breakdancing. Oh, of course its the Wrong spirit that enters them.
The "how can a person fill a person" question assumes that the Holy Spirit is a physical being. Clearly, whoever asked that question did not put any thought into it. The Spirit fills us humans the same way that God's presence filled the temple. That's why Paul calls us the "Temple of the Holy Spirit." That's why this person can fill a person because He is a Spiritual being inhabiting a physical being.
A Jehova's Whitness isn't allowed the Bible without JW produced commentary, to prevent them from coming to the wrong conclusion.
I think that tells enough about the JW interpretation of the Bible.
Yes they are. Much of there commentary isn't original but citing other sources.
Also most Cristians believe you should have a commentary of some kind for the same reason you should use a commentary when you read Shakespeare. We are thousands of years and culturally and linguistically removed from the text. This is why Catholics cite tradition.
@@mitslev4043 I highly doubt they are permitted to read other Bibles and your comment doesn't make much sense anyway
@@mitslev4043
"Also most Cristians believe you should have a commentary of some kind for the same reason you should use a commentary when you read Shakespeare."
What? That's wrong on both counts, I was instructed to read Shakespeare without any commentaries in school routinely and never once have really bothered to read the commentaries, its never been useful, I have no idea where you got this sily idea.
And there has never been a requirement as a member of an orthodox Christian congregation, who has resided in Catholic circles, argued and discussed Scripture by reference in Eastern and Oriental Orthodox circles, and currently resides inside a fundamental Protestant outlook among fellow congregants, to read anything in Scripture with commentaries, in fact some of my Bibles don't have them much or at all, while others are full of textural criticism references and not commentaries. Even some of my study Bibles don't have any commentaries in them. What are you talking about? And what exactly do you mean culturally and linguistically removed from the text? Commentaries are not textual criticism nor are they required to recognize the context, in fact my entire outlook of reading Scripture in context has always been without any notes, references, commentaries, or textual criticism because I am quite familiar with the context, and I'm not the only one. The whole point of the Reformation especially, and has bled into the entire rest of the Church, is that you are not given interpretation, but you read truthfully so as to be led by the Spirit Himself individually.
Time-stamps
0:37 - The Holy Spirit has a will (1 Corinthians 12:11).
1:00 - The Holy Spirit has a mind (Romans 8:26-27).
1:29 - The Holy Spirit searches and knows the deep things of God (1 Corinthians 2:10-11).
Testify’s point, “Does electricity search or know anything?”
1:45 - The Holy Spirit has emotions (Ephesians 4:30).
2:11 - The Holy Spirit bears witness (John 15:26).
The Holy Spirit intercedes on our behalf (Romans 8:26).
2:45, 3:08 - Testify’s point about Matthew 12:32, “You can only blaspheme a being with dignity and personhood.”
3:15 - Testify’s point about Hebrews 10:29, “You don’t insult or blaspheme an impersonal thing.”
3:35 - If the Holy Spirit is distinct in a personal way, why doesn’t the Holy Spirit have a name? Not all personal beings in scripture have names!
4:30 - “The Holy Spirit has…
• a mind
• will
• emotions
• dignity
• works and speaks”
On that note, Acts 13:2 and Acts 28:25-27 are most interesting passages about the Holy Spirit speaking.
In particular, the Holy Spirit self-identifies with a personal pronoun in the Greek (Acts 13:2).
Always praying for JW, Mormons, and Muslims to come to believe in and know Jesus. Keep running the good race Testify 🫡
@@ryanevans2655 thanks
In shaa allah i dont become Christian 🤲
i asked for a video about the jehova witnesses like 2 days ago in a previous video and here it is now, awesome
My own power outlet gave up under stress. Glory to GOD it didn't continue to catch fire. 👀
The Spirit speaks!
1Tim.4:1; Heb.3:7
Nice to see a video about the Holy Spirit. He’s by far the least talked about of the 3
It's a shame really, and He's the closest to us. He's the one we live with, that teaches us, guides us, shows us how to become better sons of God. He's the one who empowers us. Heck, He's responsible for our rebirth. Without Him Jesus' mission on earth was not complete, which was why He made sure to gather His disciples and breathe The Spirit into them before He left
Thanks!
Glory To Our Lord Jesus Christ Forever Amin
No! Allah is god!
Real
@@bennelong8451 god is god?
@@bennelong8451 allah is satan
Exactly, when I was talking with a JW I brought up Acts 5:1-4 to show that the Holy Spirit has emotions so He isn't just a force but then he said that my conclusions are too far and I conclude more than the text says... such blindness... the word of God is clear and they do everything to change it in such a way to make it agree with their assumptions and yet call it "exegesis" and "deep analysis of the Bible"
Keep reading.... we are told exactly who's spirit it was that was tested a few verses down:
9 But Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord?"
@@JonnyDoe-k1k
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
The Spirit of the Lord is a Reference to the Holy Spirit.
Just like how talking to the Son of God means talking to Jesus.
@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 yes, I understand... just as the Son of God is not the God he is the Son of, so the spirit of God is not the God it is the spirit of....
Peace be with you also. That's a nice thing to say.
@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 peace be with you also.. yes I understand that it is referencing the holy spirit. Just as Son of God refers to God's son, so too "the spirit of the Lord" refers to God's spirit.
If i open to the section of 'Goat' in the dictionary, it says "Testify"
only Jesus is the GOAT, and he's the Lamb.
Jehovah’s Witnesses are wrong about EVERYTHING. Not just the Holy Spirit 👌👌🙏🙏
Only Islam is correct
@@bennelong8451Islam is false because it contradicts the Bible
@@bennelong8451 state me on the Quran the equivalent of The genesis
Islam should definitely have how the world was made right ?
Check the beginning of the Quran
@bennelong8451 ????
@@bennelong8451 Find me Genesis in Islam my friiend
If I’m not mistaken even as early as Genesis the Spirit shows personage coming down to Hagar to guide her and Ishmael through the wilderness
Well done, Erik!
My pastor preached on this yesterday!
Thanks for what you do, Testify!
"Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong about The Holy Spirit" among other things
The fact that u released this 9hrs ago & last night i was txting my old boss & trying to get him out of the cult mindset
"get out of here bozo" in my native tongue bozo means w**re 😅 I was baffled for a moment.
Great video!
lol oops didn't know. bozo here means clown
@TestifyApologetics ye, i get it, it's justso funny I had to comment🤣
@@TestifyApologeticsKeep using bozo in your videos to keep the meme alive 👏
You Armenian? (Google helped)
@driteanimations6330 nah, Georgian
I frew up in this cupt waster 40 years. Sine of my friends ended their lives because they were shunned.
Glad to hear you got out
Alright, time to play Devil's Advocate for a couple of questions:
1. People will say that got information from google, but Google doesn't actually give information, just send connects you to websites that actually have the information. So would it not be analogous to say that claiming to get a message from God and claiming to get a message from the Holy Spirit as literally meaning the same thing, even if the words are different?
2. So this Video points to the Holy Spirit as having personified traits, but couldn't the Holy Spirit just be God's messenger? Or in other words, just a servant of God?
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
1. The Holy Spirit is God, so Yes.
2. The Holy Spirit is more than a servant, he is the Spirit of the Father & the Son, which describes the Relationship that he has with the Father & the Son.
The Holy Spirit isn’t simply just God’s messenger because he is also portrayed as being God himself as per Acts 5:3-4 and 2 Corinthians 3:17-18.
These next passages are about the Holy Spirit being a separate person from the Father and the Son, and also being God.
Matthew 3:16-17
When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 15:26-27
But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
John 16:13-15
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
2 Samuel 23:2-3 (David calling the Spirit God)
“The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me, And His word was on my tongue. 3 The God of Israel said, The Rock of Israel spoke to me: ‘He who rules over men must be just, Ruling in the fear of God.
Acts 5:3-4 (Peter calling the Spirit God)
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
"You ever see your power outlet make a choice?" Sure, it keeps refusing to charge my phone. Maybe it's broken.
Make more vidoes on JW's pls
Absolutely.
Ok
@@TestifyApologetics You could do a part 2, the personhood of the Holy Spirit in the old testament
*Wehovah's Jitnesses*
@darkwolf7740
I like to call them "Watchtower Crackheads."
Thanks a lot brother
Awesome video, Holy Spirit is a true blessing in my life. ^^ (Also in timestamp 41-43 seconds, was that electric character based off the old comic, dial H for hero?)
It's electro from the 60s spiderman cartoon. Not sure what dial h for hero is so I don't know if they're related.
@@Josh-bn4ki ah ok thx for clarifying that, Dial H for hero is an old comic series that i think might have helped inspire ben 10, and i think the electric hero from that might have a similar design. other than that, this video was epic and really helps with explaining the trinity and unique person of Holy Spirit
Their version sounds kinda like The Force to me. 🤣
it is
lol
@@Bruh-cg2fk Actually more like The Schwartz from Spaceballs.
Cause while The Force isn't a person, canonically speaking it does have a will of sorts.
Paul is just personifying the spirit; Paul also tells us you cannot separate the spirit from the body.
Source?
verse right now.
These next passages are about the Holy Spirit being a separate person from the Father and the Son, and also being God.
Matthew 3:16-17
When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 15:26-27
But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
John 16:13-15
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
2 Samuel 23:2-3 (David calling the Spirit God)
“The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me, And His word was on my tongue. 3 The God of Israel said, The Rock of Israel spoke to me: ‘He who rules over men must be just, Ruling in the fear of God.
Acts 5:3-4 (Peter calling the Spirit God)
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
@ 1:30
The Scripture Quoted Is 1 Corinthians 2:10-11
It Was Mistakenly Pronounced 12:10-11
Great Video
How do I talk to/interact with the Holy Spirit? I kinda feel bad knowing I spend so much time praying and talking to God and Jesus, and not including Him.
Before our workouts, my bf and I pray, telling God we’re building our bodies as temples for the Holy Spirit to reside it, but that’s the most I’ve ever really thought about Him.
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
Just ask the Father to Fill you with his Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit produces Fruits in our Lives (Galatians 5:22-26).
The Holy Spirit helps us to Live for Christ & Convicts us of sin
(John 14:26/15-26/16:7-15/ 1 John 3:24).
Do Not grieve the Holy Spirit by an evil Live, for More information read Ephesians 2:25-32.
Also by talking to Jesus you talk tk the holy spirit since they one God but also distinct people but don't worry the buble even says have the fellowship of the Holy Spirit.
"How do I talk to/interact with the Holy Spirit?"; like a friend would. If you feel you should talk to the Spirit more, then do so.
There's another passage which proves the Holy Spirit is Divine and nobody thinks about it. It's Hebrews 10: 15-16 :
"The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says: “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts"
The Holy Spirit *testifies* and *says* then follows a verse from Jeremiah 31 and it's written *says* *the* *Lord* ! So WHO says this verse ? The Holy Spirit who is God. In the passage of Jeremiah it's the tetragrammaton.
Nice video.
They also cant answer knock knock jokes
this says it was posted an hour ago but i swear i’ve already seen it
Wish you would do a video arguing against the cataclysm of the Catholic Church and the errors in their beliefs, like saying Mary is the queen of heaven and that they took out the commandment about having idols, idols made of crosses and saints
He won’t do that bc then his Catholic audience will stop watching.
why did the title show as "squabble up" 😭
Testify please can you make a video on who the Holy Spirit is and how he operates because it’s hard to understand
It's not hard to understand. Only when making the claim that God's spirit is an actual person, separate but equal to Almighty God does it become illogical and therefore "difficult to understand".
These next passages are about the Holy Spirit being a separate person from the Father and the Son, and also being God.
Matthew 3:16-17
When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 15:26-27
But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
John 16:13-15
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
2 Samuel 23:2-3 (David calling the Spirit God)
“The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me, And His word was on my tongue. 3 The God of Israel said, The Rock of Israel spoke to me: ‘He who rules over men must be just, Ruling in the fear of God.
Acts 5:3-4 (Peter calling the Spirit God)
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
nice video keep up doing the good work of god hope to see more like it in the future
Matthew 12:31
Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
Does this mean those Muslims that understand the Gospel and continue to reject/slander it will not be forgiven?
There are many interpretations of this verse.
1. If you ever insult the Holy Spirit, that's it for you. Don't bother becoming a Christian as you won't be forgiven.
2. If you deny the Holy Spirit until your death, that's blasphemy as you are denying the spirit of truth.
3, If you come to the full knowledge of the truth of God, similar to how the pharisees knew of Jesus from Scripture before his coming, yet say that the Holy Spirit was not the one that filled Jesus, in fact, it was the devil.
I personally believe its both 2 and 3.
@@tjpg25yeah thats likely the case imo. Many Muslims genuinely don't fully understand Christianity and get a lot of the theology wrong as their own religion teaches a faulty interpretation of what Christians believe. So if they convert they should be fine.
Wow I was wrong I’m not a JW I’m regular Christian but I thought that it was just a force since it was the power of Jesus and the father that’s for making that clear to me
No I'm sorry but Testify is wrong in this video the Holy Spirit is not a person. All his arguments he made in this video were way out of context
@@true_witnessso instead of just saying he’s wrong.. Explain how he’s wrong, and show evidence
@@uli6996 Great, I'm glad you asked for one. Let me show you why the Holy Spirit is NOT a Person and why Jehovah's Witnesses are correct:
Both the Hebrew and Greek words for “spirit” are the same words that are translated “WIND.” Like wind, holy spirit cannot be seen; but still it is a force that can produce effects. Its referred to as the “Spirit of God” or the “Spirit of the LORD” which is evidence that it is an instrument of God.-Gen. 1:2; Judg. 15:14
At Matthew 11:19 Jesus personified “WISDOM” and depicted it as having “works” or “children.” Yet “wisdom” is not a person with an individual existence. Also, Romans 5:14, 21 personalizes “death” and “sin” as reigning kings. But we know for a fact they are not living persons. Jesus did the same in regard to the spirit; he personalized something that was actually not a person, just like he did with Wisdom.
Another example we can use is the sun. The sun might be personified as a “helper,” just as the holy spirit was personified as being, since the SUN itself helps and is responsible for giving us light and brings warmth and flourishes life on Earth.
Also (in case you throw this argument), what is recorded in John chapters 14 through 16 about the pa·raʹkle·tos (Paraclete, Comforter or helper) harmonizes with what the rest of the Bible says about the holy spirit. The LORD (Jehovah) through Jesus Christ USED the holy spirit to help Christians in the first century C.E. By means of it as a “helper” they gained INCREASED UNDERSTANDING of God’s purposes and prophetic Word. (Acts 2:33; 1 Cor. 2:10-16; Heb. 9:8-10) Men miraculously AIDED by the spirit spoke in foreign languages, explained God’s will and prophesied.
Amen 🙏🏻❤
These next passages are about the Holy Spirit being a separate person from the Father and the Son, and also being God.
Matthew 3:16-17
When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 15:26-27
But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
John 16:13-15
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
2 Samuel 23:2-3 (David calling the Spirit God)
“The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me, And His word was on my tongue. 3 The God of Israel said, The Rock of Israel spoke to me: ‘He who rules over men must be just, Ruling in the fear of God.
Acts 5:3-4 (Peter calling the Spirit God)
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
3:53 to 4:01 That's just plain stupid. Anyone who has a sliver of understanding of spirit beings would know that spirits possess people all the time.
If demons can do it, why not God?
It's crazy how people believe paranormal activity by demons without question but when it's from God they fire up their skepticism to the max.
If a witch says she got teleported somewhere nobody thinks she's lying, if a CHRISTIAN says he was being attacked or something and God teleported him somewhere IMMEDIATELY people find it hard to believe.
Why is that? You think only the devil can do these things?
Then you aint seen nothing yet
Exactly
0:01
The reason JW can't understand the Holy Spirit is because He's God.
Pagans can only ever have a warped concept of God.
Even at our best, finite believers can have an incomplete understanding of the infinite God, but it is a correct understanding.
pagans also had trinity - look up trimurti, 3 main gods of Babylon, 3 main gods of the Roman Empire and
@karroteu5000
A council of three gods is different than one triune God.
This is one more thing that makes Christianity unique.
@@karroteu5000Not what Trinity means...
You ready to rage quit on smash bros, Testify?
if I'm playing against my sons, the answer is yes.
@@TestifyApologeticsWe need a smash bros livestream ASAP 🙏
@@TestifyApologetics Who is your main?
Good explanation.
I think a good video would be how the watch tower misrepresents christian believes such as the Trinity. They think it is something more similar to modalism (their site says that Jesus and the Father are not the same person, just as a trinitarian would argue, but somehow it should be a refutation of our belief).
Basically JWs is Strawmaning Nicene Cristianity
After talking with a JW I live with and her friend, her friend wrote a 28 page paper trying to refute the few verses I had written down for them to look at (with 10 of those pages just being on the use of the name "Jehovah") In her argument, she made the same point, saying that the Father and Jesus are not the same person. It shows they really don't understand what we mean with the concept of the Trinity at all.
those who think the Holy Spirit is a force - and this was endemic in church "Christianity" 50 years ago) do NOT KNOW HIM
they certainly are not led by Him, where scripture says those who are led by the Spirit are the sons of God
the thing is this belief still lingers though in another form
the idea that the Holy Spirit, though a person, GIVES US an impersonal force is as absurd.'
they claim that love joy peace and " the strength" are impersonal energies which we can and must manipulate after asking for them as energies and then claim to have "by faith"
that turns the Holy Spirit into a demiurge ( look it up) that WE use
it also puts all the burden of making the act of will back onto us.
but those who walk in the flesh CANNOT Make this act of will and Romans also says that it does NOT depend on him who WILLS or runs
so it is a doctrine of despair to those perceptive enough to see it
If there is a third divine person - the Holy Spirit - then he would have to be created as the second Son of God after the Logos, because the Logos was created first. But nowhere in Scripture is there any such evidence that such a being was created, called the holy spirit. He pours out his spirit, anoints with the Holy Spirit, etc. (Acts 2:17,33; 10:45; 10:38). Thus, this is the activity of God Himself, not a third divine person, and not *electricity*. It is impossible to achieve salvation without the work of the Holy Spirit. If this activity is performed by the third person of the Trinity, then there is a second intermediary needed for salvation, and this does not agree with the infallible teaching of the apostles and our Lord about the only name of Jesus, through whom salvation is possible. Jesus said to the disciples: “He who sees me sees Father” (John 14:9). The apostle teaches that Jesus is “For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in the Son” (Col. 1:19, 2:9). It seems that for theologians however, this simple teaching was not enough, and this teaching of Holy Spirit being a person was introduced in 3rd century - and from these three persons they formed the concept of one God.
@@karroteu5000 brother, you're rights
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
The Son was Never created, neither was the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit possesses a Mind, Emotions & Will.
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Romans 8:26 "In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans".
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you
JW: Holy Spirit is energy
EO: God is energy, energy is how God interacts with creation.God’s essence is unknown.
Bible: The Holy Spirit fills believers.
Divine simplicity enjoyer: heretics
Dude, could you please not use insulting and diminishing images to describe anyone who disagrees with you religiously. It just creates this toxic and unreasonable enviroment. As followers of Jesus we should all love one another, instead of insulting and disrespecting anyone.
I know they will just say “his will” refers to God (as in the Father, but they deny the Trinity), not the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit is the essence of God. That fact both makes perfect sense of the aforementioned verses, and with the fact that large swaths of early Christians did not think that the Spirit was a separate person.
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
Not separate but Distinct. Some did believe in it, like Tertullian.
Blasphemy the Holy Spirit is when you keep rejecting like the pharaoh who hardened his heart. You will be forgiven if you repent and accept Jesus. The devil will like to make you think you’re not forgiven. Remember Paul was a blasphemer.
Our thoughts are not God's thoughts and our ways are not God's ways.
I'm a raised Oneness Pentecostal. Ive been watching every one of your videos, really nice art style you got.
To honor the Holy Spirit, I often refer to Him in this manner: "God the Holy Spirit". I am thankful that He is always with me to illuminate God's word to my mind and heart and to comfort me when things go wrong.
The Bible never says
"God the holy spirit "
Nowwhere in the Bible does it EVER say that !
When someone makes up their own god, that's IDOLATRY, which is strictly forbidden.
@KK-AA-YY the word Trinity" is not found in God's word, but it nevertheless describes the truth of the Triune God. Similarly, since the Holy Spirit is almighty God, it's no blasphemy to refer to Him as God the Holy Spirit.
@@rickgomez2885
Doesn't the Bible flat out tell us who God is ?
👇
1 KINGS 18:39
. . Darby Bible Translation . .
""And all the people saw [it], and they fell on their faces and said, Jehovah, he is God! Jehovah, he is God!""
@rickgomez2885
Why are all these people in the Bible, named after God ?
Jehoadah
Jehoaddan
Jehoahaz
Jehoash
Jehohanan
Jehoiada
Jehoiakim
Jehoiarib
Jehonadab
Jehonathan
Jehoram
Jehoshaphat
Jehosheba
Jehoshua
Jehozabad
Jehozadak
* We can see that Jehovah is God.
@@KK-AA-YY are you a Jehovah's Witness?
I printed off five or more pages of Bible verses with the Holy Spirit showing mind, will, emotions, speaking, referenced as Jehovah in a verse in Hebrews 3, speaking to people, etc.
The Jehovah's Witnesses at my house just waived a magic wand and declared they were all "personification".
And used the Proverb about Wisdom being personified.
Anyway from listening to Ron Rhodes, you just have to hope to put a pebble in their shoe... something that will be there and gently irritate them with the truth of God's Word.
These next passages are about the Holy Spirit being a separate person from the Father and the Son, and also being God.
Matthew 3:16-17
When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
John 14:26
But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
John 15:26-27
But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.
John 16:13-15
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
2 Samuel 23:2-3 (David calling the Spirit God)
“The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me, And His word was on my tongue. 3 The God of Israel said, The Rock of Israel spoke to me: ‘He who rules over men must be just, Ruling in the fear of God.
Acts 5:3-4 (Peter calling the Spirit God)
But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? 4 While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."
@@trentitybrehm5105 excellent!💯 Thank you so much for sharing! I think I'd like to record all the passages in separate lists for easy reference. I'm sure such a list exists but I don't have it yet. I'll have to recheck my book from Ron Rhodes.
It'd be great to have one list of the clearest passages that identify the Holy Spirit as God (like the very you sent from Acts)
Another regarding the Holy Spirit or Jesus represented most clearly in the OT, and the one you sent from Samuel may be the best I've ever heard regarding Holy Spirit! Thank you!
And I have 3 or 4 now from the NT talking about the Holy Spirit that reference the OT talking about Jehovah/Yahweh!
I'm finishing up a book about the divinity of Jesus, because I took it for granted for so many years, until confronted with the lies and twisting the scriptures of the Jehovah's Witnesses and Islam.
I've just got to write those passages down in various lists (Jesus being directly called God, Jesus being worshipped, OT passages referenced in the NT that show Jesus is Jehovah/Yahweh as well, etc.)
The only list I have compiled right now is one showing the Holy Spirit is a Person and not just the force of God, as the JW's choose to believe.
So I have about 5 pages of verses so far (still adding!) with the Holy Spirit referenced with personal pronouns, speaking directly to people several times, having a mind, will and emotions and even preferences, and many other kinds of things like that. I'm falling in love with God's Word all over again and so excited.
Thank you so much for the passages you've sent! I'll add them to the one list that I do have and sit down and create the other lists, and use the other verses you sent. Create... one for the Holy Spirit being God and another one for the Holy Spirit being Jehovah... which will show quite clearly that Jehovah or Yahweh is the name of the Triune God and not the personal name just for the Father.
The Jehovah's Witnesses made a big deal about knowing the personal name of God, which they meant the Father... and part of their denial that the Holy Spirit is even a Person.
I tried to gently show the 5 pages worth of the Holy Spirit being a person. They had one canned response. "Oh that's just personification, like wisdom in the book of Proverbs"....
It's really sad how much satan can blind us, even when they claim to get their beliefs from the Bible, but shown overwhelming evidence from the Bible itself, they disregard... If you don't mind would you say a prayer for Jonathan, Mr. Brewster, Mr. Louis, and a Mr. Spurgeon.
Anyway thank you very much for the additional supporting Scriptures. God's Word is so amazing!
Greetings my brother in Christ
Love your content.
Well i wanted to ask tht can u make a video on other major world religions too like hinduism, buddhism etc and how can u debunk them
Love u bro.
The Jw's, interpreted the holy spirit as the active force of Jehovah, first it appeared like dove, second , it appeared like 120 tongues of fire when it was given to them,
3:23 why did you add "wrong"? That was completely correct
I think the "wrong" could have been as a Response to the "the Holy Spirit isn't a person".
David Wood and AP said they would have you on if you wanted to chat sometime
@TestifyApologetics I recently discovered this while reading Hebrews 3:7-11. The only reference that I've found that identifies the Holy Spirit as Jehovah.
I'm sure you know the many OT verses that are used about Jesus and when you look them up, they're referring to Jehovah/YHVH, but this was the first one I have discovered that says the Holy Spirit says something that is an OT reference and the reference is referring to Jehovah.
Anyway I was super excited and had no one to tell except the JW's who were visiting, but they dismissed it just like the OT quotes about Jesus identifying Jesus as Jehovah as well.
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
Not only that, but Hebrews 10:15-16 quotes Jeremiah 31:33 as being a direct quote from the Holy Spirit.
It is, in fact, a direct quote from YHWH. So the Holy Spirit is YHWH. ❤️🕊️
@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 You know... I think I had my chapter incorrect. The one you mentioned is the one I incorrectly stated.
I have been searching for the clearest Bible verses about the Holy Spirit being God.
I had the one from Acts 5, where Peter uses the Holy Spirit and God interchangeable and then I recently found the one you correctly stated in Hebrews 10, showing the Jehovah is the name of the Triune God and not just God the Father... and I also believe the reference in Isaiah doubly called the Holy Spirit Jehovah and God during the passage.
That's so exciting!!
Do you know of any other passages where it clearly shows the Holy Spirit being referenced to as God or Jehovah (YHWH)?
@@lovesickforoneI can think of:
Acts 28:25-27 - Isaiah 6:9-10
Acts 7:51 - Exodus 32:9
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 You've made my Thanksgiving! That's so amazing! So Isaiah 6 clearly shows that Jesus is Jehovah from the reference from it, then Jesus says in John 12:21, Isaiah saw My Glory!" AND the reference you shared with me from Acts 28 that clearly shows that Holy Spirit is Jehovah!
WOW! How precious and delightful is God's Word!
Thank you for commenting and sharing what you've learned with me.
I wasn't excited to study about other worldviews. I began to do it because I'm working on a book I've been writing for 10 years on the topic of indoctrination... because the word gets thrown around so much and I had noticed the subtle and not subtle changes in culture during my lifetime. It took years before the Lord helped me to flesh out the topic and really be able to understand it and then another few years before I was able to articulate what I had learned.
Anyway, eventually I began to hope to plumb the depths of various indoctrinations from different sources so I can present a well rounded and hopefully interesting plethora of examples for each of the various indoctrinations.
Eventually I began reading about various worldviews and when I began getting to the cults of Christianity, it was honestly intimidating. However, I never dreamed it would lead me into such a rich and deep dive into so many scriptures, since the JW's, Mormons, Islam really twist the Bible.
It's just brought God's Word to life for me, in a new and deeper way than it has before. It's made me actually think and research the doctrines that I had taken for granted. God's Word is so inexhaustible! And Mesmerizing! I am just in awe of Him.
Thank you for sharing some more of the deep treasures of His Word with me. I very much appreciate it.
@@lovesickforone Amen 🙏🏻.
& No Problem, Friend ❤️
The Word of God is Alive & Powerful
(Hebrews 4:12). Inspired by God(2 Timothy 3:16). Which Jesus wants us to be Sanctified in(John 17:17).
God Bless 🙏🏻❤️
John 4: 23 ... a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
Yes, that is Jesus speaking.
He literally said . .
"the true worshipers will worship
THE FATHER"
Acts 5:3-4 . When they lied to the Spirit they lied to God.
The majority of my family is Mormon, some family member have been warning them about it, but it doesn't seem to be enough for them. Can you please upload a video on Mormonism?
"Distributes spiritual gifts as He(God) wills."
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
In Context, the Bible does uses "He" for the Father, but in 1 Corinthians 12:11, "He" can mean the Holy Spirit
(1 Corinthians 12:4,7).
@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22
Hello there fellow Bible reader.I just read those verses.Found nothing about the Holy Spirit being a "he".
May the Holy Spirit be with you
Some of these are weak in spite of the fact I agree.
The spirit distributes spiritual gifts as He wills. "He" in this context could be the father. I'm not letting a trinitarian get away with saying the bible never uses "He" to say the father.
A sign is a non living object that tells you where to go. So is a telephone if someone is speaking from the other side.
Electricity searches for the lowest resistance path, also knowing could be in reference to the spirit being the only one doing the will of god.
"my calendar testifies that I was not there on that date".
People lie to objects all the time like mirrors for example.
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
In Context, the Bible does uses "He" for the Father, but in 1 Corinthians 12:11, "He" can mean the Holy Spirit
(1 Corinthians 12:4,7).
Due to the Greek, the referrent to "He" can only be the Spirit. The verse does not contain a separate word for "he" there, and the immediate antecedent is the spirit, which forces us to conclude that it is the Spirit that does these things.
In Greeks verbs are conjugated and do not need a separate pronoun to indicate the actor, rather the action of the verb is implied to be the one of whom the passage discusses, that being the Spirit.
Electricity does not have a mind and cannot intercede.
the video presents common Trinitarian arguments for the personhood of the Holy Spirit, but it does so by relying on specific interpretations of scripture, assuming anthropomorphism equates to literal personhood, and oversimplifying the Jehovah's Witnesses' doctrine. the core issue is the interpretation of biblical language and the application of later theological concepts to ancient texts. while the video may be persuasive to those who already hold a Trinitarian view, it's not a definitive debunking of the Jehovah's Witnesses' position.
thanks, chat gpt
@@TestifyApologetics a non-response which avoids engaging with a substantive critique by dismissing it based on its supposed origin (genetic fallacy). a proper response requires addressing the actual arguments presented, regardless of their source.
literally none of what ChatGPT spit out for you is substantive, it says nothing about what I said in the video. Think for yourself bud.
@@TestifyApologetics 1) the video's arguments rely heavily on specific interpretations of biblical passages. Jehovah's Witnesses have different interpretations of the same verses, which lead them to a different conclusion. the video doesn't engage with these alternative interpretations in depth. for instance, Jehovah's Witnesses interpret the "grieving" of the Holy Spirit as referring to grieving God, whose spirit is being grieved. 2) the video assumes that any description of the Spirit acting like a person must mean the Spirit is a person. this ignores the possibility of anthropomorphism, where non-human entities are described using human characteristics. the Bible often uses anthropomorphic language to describe God himself (e.g., God's hand, arm, eyes), which doesn't mean God has a literal physical body. 3) some of the anticipated rebuttals use circular reasoning. for example, the video argues that because evil spirits can fill people while remaining personal beings, the Holy Spirit filling people also proves personhood. this assumes the very point it's trying to prove. 4) the concept of "personhood" as understood in modern Trinitarian theology is a complex philosophical and theological concept that developed over centuries. simply applying this concept to biblical texts without considering the historical and linguistic context can be misleading. 5) the video simplifies the Jehovah's Witnesses' understanding of the Holy Spirit. they don't simply view it as an impersonal force like electricity. they believe it is God's active force, emanating from him, but not a separate person within a Trinity.
Different interpretations exist, sure, but they need to stick to what the text actually says. Take Ephesians 4:30-how does an impersonal force “grieve”? The Greek clearly refers to personal emotion.
And calling the Spirit’s actions anthropomorphic doesn’t work either. The Spirit teaches, intercedes, and even gets lied to (Acts 5:3-4). That’s way beyond metaphor. It’s not like saying “God’s hand,” which is clearly symbolic.
The argument about evil spirits isn’t circular-it’s an analogy. If evil spirits, as personal beings, can “fill” people, it makes sense the Spirit, described with personal traits, could too. No assumptions there.
Yes, Trinitarian theology developed over time, but the Bible already shows the Spirit as personal. The terms evolved; the concept didn’t. Finally, Jehovah’s Witnesses calling the Spirit “God’s active force” doesn’t explain away the personal actions and traits attributed to the Spirit in Scripture. Forces don’t grieve, teach, or intercede. The text points to personhood, plain and simple. Leave the cult bro.
Really liked this video. How would you respond to the "Well that's not a valid Bible translation, and if you look at our translation you'll see that..." ?
Excellent
3:57 i guess i am not a person as i fill a bucket
I was asked recently if we are able to pray to the Holy Spirit and only the Holy Spirit. The Spirit is certainly a person, He is referrered to as such in the Scripture, but I have seen arguments from both sides online on question of if we can pray to only the Holy Spirit without also invoking the Father or the Son.
The ones in favor point out the Holy Spirit is God, which is true, and thus we can pray to Him just as we could the Father or the Son. I've read others saying we cannot because the Holy Spirit does not speak on His own initiative, citing John 16:13-14, and that no clear examples of prayers directed only towards the Holy Spirit can be found within the Bible.
I will admit that I am a bit stumped on this one.
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
You can pray to the Holy Spirit but Not only to the Holy Spirit. Our Prayer is to God; the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit.
Prayer is rightly directed to the person of the triune God who is responsible for the particular work at the heart of our prayer.
An Example that I found is; we should never pray, “Thank you, Father, for becoming incarnate and dying on the cross for my sins.” That prayer is wrongheaded! Rather, we should pray, “Thank you, Son of God, for becoming incarnate and dying on the cross for my sins.”
As for John 16, this Explanation should cover it;
""consider the full context of Jesus’s affirmation of the Spirit’s role: “He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.” One wonders how the specific role of the Spirit highlighted here-glorifying the Son by speaking about Jesus (i.e., inspiring Scripture, which focuses on Christ)-would preclude prayer to the Spirit, even something like this: “Holy Spirit, thank you for inspiring the Gospel of John and revealing the glory of Jesus!” Prayer to the Spirit for his intervention through works specifically attributed to him-e.g., conviction of sin, inspiration of Scripture, regeneration, sanctification-by no means contradicts Jesus’s affirmation in this passage""
“How can a spirit occupy a believer?”
You mean like your soul is doing right now?
1 John 4:16 God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.
The Holy Spirit does have a name. YHWH, or if you like since we're talking about JWs, Jehovah.
I think you get their conception of the holy Spirit wrong. They don't simply see it as a force but a manifestation of gods will. So for example i am a person and my will moves my arm. They would say the will of god acting on reality is the holy Spirit. The will mind etc of the holy Spirit is simply the fathers under their conception.
I think portraying the spirit as a sort of "messenger," "arbiter," or "personal essence" of God seems to be most accurate. It's not as though the Spirit behaves independantly from God, but rather seems to be the literal "Spirit" of Christ / The Father. The Living Will as it were.
The spirit has a mind and intercedes with the father, hence it is it's own person.
@@patrick953 Yes, I suppose in the same sense as Christ being His own person from The Father, but in a much more abstract or spiritual sense. Romans 8:9 is partly what I mean by this: "You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ." and Galatians 4:6 "Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out, ‘Abba, Father.’" Both passages refer to The Holy Spirit as "The Spirt of God", "The Spirit of Christ" or "The Spirit of His Son." So it's not as though Christ's spiritual form is a different thing from The Holy Spirit, but rather, spiritualism itself is a little unconventional, so Christ can be separate from His own Spirit as though they are two persons, because they are. In a similar sense, people often refer to their own Spirit as being separate from their Ego(self), so I believe this is the same as that.
Well I have. Either to work or not to work
when making videos on jws if you want to show them their inconsistency you should really consider using the new world translation because if you use anything else they will see what the new world translation says and if it's different which it will probably be because it is changed they will dismiss you. ephesians 4:30 for example doesn't land because their bible says God's holy spirit instead of the Holy Spirit. they will just say don't hurt God's feelings or something.
To add on, we the believers are likened unto empty vessels (I believe this assertion is made in Galatians, but I don't remember if I'm right), which alludes to the fact that we ourselves are temples unto the living God. As God the Father is up in Heaven doing his thing, and Jesus the Son is at his right hand constantly interceding for us, the Holy Spirit dwells on this earth. More specifically, this is the part of God that dwells within us.
There's a lot more I could potentially go on about, but I am not particularly well-versed and am at fault for getting something wrong. I'd rather tie the whole temple comment at the end to this little tidbit.
the thing i respect about them is that they still dress up.
What’s the song at the end of the video?
your videos about islam made me a stronger muslim thank you so much ❤
unless you got a refutation all you're telling me is you choose irrationality for emotional reasons.
Sounds like the spirit is our conscience
Zechariah 4:6 NIV
[6] So he said to me, “This is the word of the Lord to Zerubbabel: ‘Not by might nor by power, but by my Spirit,’ says the Lord Almighty.
God's Spirit and His power are separated. Case closed.
@2:53 So doesn't your assertion here actually contradict the Trinity? If Jesus and the Holy Spirit are both God, why can one speak against Jesus and be forgiven but not the Holy Spirit? How do you reconcile that using arguments derived from Scripture that are also consistent with every other verse? Speaking against Jesus should be the same as speaking against God or the Holy Spirit, no?
Further, it is suspect that the author doesn't mention "speaking against" God himself. If one were to start from your belief in the same Trinity that the writer of this Scripture also allegedly believed in, it seems logical that they would mention the status of "forigivability" when speaking against God, if only because they also mentioned the other two parts of the Trinity and the difference in "forgivability" for speaking against either. The fact that they did NOT suggests that there is a relationship between the two (God and the Holy Spirit) such that mentioning both is unnecessary but it DOES require a distinction from the Son.
Peace be with you Friend ❤️
It depends on the Role.
Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit is denying the Conviction of the Holy Spirit until you die
(John 16:8-11/Hebrews 10:28-29).
@@Daniel_Godismyjudge--Isah33.22 This doesn't answer the question at all. There is a clear distinction made in the Scriptures between Jesus and the Holy Spirit. If they are both God then "speaking against" either should be just as unforgivable.
@teraxiel
But it does answer the Question.
Both are from the Same Essence, but Both have Distinct Roles.
Please do a video explaining exactly what it means to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
Correction he does have a name. All three of the trinity are YHWH. That's why we baptize in the NAME (one name not plural) of the Father the Son age the Holy Spirit. One name three persons
Amen. ❤
In the Greek texts what people commonly call the New Testament, one can nit find ant text where the holy spirit is called a "he". Poor translation has meant that at times, the masculine pronoun "he" is used of the holy spirit but that is due to just that, poor translation and theological bias. When a translators stays by the rules of grammar no where is the hoy spirit ever called a he.
The holy spirit is often personified like so many inanimate things are personified in the Bible. Just because a thing is said to do what humas can di does nit make them individuals.