What went wrong in this Gold game? | Spectating Overwatch 2
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The DPS moment vs the Pharah was also good because no one in low rank ever wants to attempt to kill Pharah, so if the Ana didn't kill her there, she was gunna roll the whole team and probably stagger them for at least 1.5 teamfights. Legit see it happen constantly.
They dont aim up in high masters either 🤷🏼♂️
yeah it's especially worse on Console in the lower ranks. I bet you could Pharamercy your way to High Diamond easily
@@Smokronon console Ana is just about the best pick against pharah due to her consistent damage, compared to widow needing to charge, cass fall off, soldier needs pinpoint accuracy with his low damage, bastions solid
As someone who recently started playing ranked this is absolutely spot on. It's so annoying.
@@domothebro2435huh how is soldier low damage against pharah? Also try using Ashe, torb, or baptiste, they all work better than cassidy
the comments from chat whenever it’s a console video is so cringe knowing that most of them aren’t any better lol
Kinda funny, I was thinking the same when I read the comments here, that sh!t on him. 😂
Exactly if anything sticks are a handicap in this game
I think this guy has mad ping or just horrible reaction times. Every ability they used to save an ally came out after they were already dead
10:14 Perhaps you'd be surprised, then, by how many people die in their spawn door mere inches from the health restore barrier.
Reading "my tank was feeding" really made my eyes roll cause we can all improve. Then the first play happened and I laughed thinking "ok there's some truth to this lol." But yeah, lots of room for improvement for this player.
It's just pointless in general to think like that especially in the moment. Better to look at it as I can't keep the tank alive with my current playstyle can I adjust that style or swap supports to keep tank alive. If not then what can I do to make up for the tank's deaths can I keep the dps up more to make up for the lack? At least that's my opinion on blaming others since you can only control your own actions.
It's a team game. Your TEAM does actions that result in either a win or loss. Sure you can focus some on yourself but at some point when you've tried everything you can think of, it literally can't be just your fault@@skittlemenow
@@aerikhollingsworth1640 I don't think you understood what I was saying. It's not about assigning blame so much as about a way of eliminating negative thought patterns. Blaming or being upset with the rest of the team won't help you in the moment it's just a distraction. You can only change and adjust your own actions. After the game you can consider whether or not the rest of the team failed or not.
tanks in lower ranks always feed, especially the braindead doom players. nothing new
You can only improve yourself so much before the outcome gets taken out of your hands.
This "JusT ImPRovE YourSELf" phrase only works up until a point.
A tank feeding is a tank feeding.
The best I can do is go lifeweaver and hope he knows why I'm pulling his ass back. And while I'm feeding my healing into him feeding into the other team then the rest of the team is losing out on heals.
Tanks also have to carry their weight.
If they're just running out of range into teams and achieving nothing then they need improve themselves because there's only so much 1 person can do in a TEAM GAME
I'm absolutely loving the green screen "Alright, so!..." The ensuing pause is pure gold lmao.
The scuffed green screen is my absolute favorite thing
they held their ults for way too long - they also barely used their lamp
if your bap ult or ana ult can turn a fight, use it
and they need to make sure their healing counts, they were wasting a lot of ammo and ended up not healing their teammates even when they intended to lol
Legit, off the bat, I love the idea of a gameplay mystery.
a "What went wrong" style.
As a gold Ana player, this hurts my soul. They’re just lost constantly instead of moving with the team. They don’t heal, everyone dies. Then they stagger as they move back 10+ meters giving the other team more space. They spend too much time doing nothing, I’d be not very happy with my teammate if they did this
And the person is taking 100 years to make decisions. The awareness of cooldowns is non-existent. If Emongg said, that this is bronze 1 gameplay, I would have believed that. I am a support main too (Ana, Bap, Moira in rotation atm) and especially with Ana, you can enable so much within a round. Holding on nano for dozen minutes just made me anxious hahahaha
They got half of the healing stats they should have had. It's fine if they want to go for damage when the enemy is still very far away but they have to focus heals when they are in their face
Bronze 1 and I feel the same. Plenty of time spent watching teammates die not enough healing.
@@Antonio-ys5zd Support dps is best when peeling with another player. Be it the other support fighting off a flank or throwing in a few points with your dps or tank to focus fire an enemy.
I wouldn't give advice if you are a lower rank than them bro... whatever they are doing in this video is better than what you could
@@skittlemenow
6:04
Roshibird286: I will use Amplification Matrix here.
Emongg: To heal the Orisa, right?
Roshibird286:...
Emongg: To heal the Orisa, right??
Every time their stick drift goes I just go “FIRELORD OZAI”
My day has been made by the mere idea of potg green screen Emongg
also this video shows he doesnt know you can heal and dps at the same time... (edit) Their reaction time is also slothlike.
I think it's jsut a combo of low reaction time and bad mechanics that means they get immensely overwhelmed if they have to do any more than one thing at a time. Overshooting heals left and right, allies fall over any time they go for even a slight bit of dps. Yea, they're just immensely mechanically troubled. They could probably play better on Brig
It looks like controller, not keyboard and mouse. You can see the little flicks and the aim assist working. Much harder to do shoot-shoot-heal, unless you line up your teammates with your enemies. When I switch back to controller to play on console with friends, I can't do the things I usually do.
@@thetheocracy7214 baps heal is an aoe heal, if you line up the teamfight you can heal and dps through your team at the same time
@@thetheocracy7214 you can literally press the buttons at the same time
Someone on Horizon Lunar Colony just got healed and was really confused.
Almost fell out of my chair.. xD
Even I went like 'Nano your Dva/ Turret Bast!' during third round overtime. It's always all or nothing mentality for me there if no ult is used as last resort (and used wisely).
I love watching these because it means there’s hope, yet, for me.
Most of the time he just seemed scared except when front lining as Ana (??) "Taking matters into my own hands" by running or hiding during team fights and reset opportunities while your mates die in a 4v5....
Where were his moments he was talking about? Killing a 1 hp Soldier when the team fight was already won? 😂
There needs to be a shirt that’s green screen emongg with the words ALRIGHT SO on it
poor emongg almost lost it so many times in this video 😅
Why does everyone in this lobby play like they have plot armor
LMAO this is such a good description of what we are seeing here
Truly an emongg video
Literally every game i play as tank i get heals like this istg i'm cursed or some shit
You make good points in many ways, but at other times, some of the things you griped about...like no one has perfect awareness 100% of the time. Like when you were screaming at him to use nano, there was no way he could have known the Orisa would use a spear to knock him out of LOS to where he wouldn't be able to use the nano in time. No one is in perfect control of the situation, a lot of it is reactive.
tbh both tank and our protagonist played pretty ok
I love emonggs awkward intros xD
I've just found your channel! Really loving the talk throughs. I'm at bronze ATM, not very good at the game yet. Hopefully start to improve watching these videos!
I think this guy was pretty good for console gold. Still the first one to blame should always be yourself if you’re really trying to win.
ALRIGHT SO
ALRIGHT SO
This has absolutely convinced me you get matched with MMR regardless of rank because my god, my offrole bronze matches on switch doesn't look this incompetent xD not many console players look like these but somehow we're always represented by them
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This guy is stronger than me playing with controller drift this bad
This was genuinely frustrating to watch
This bap belongs in silver. Not gold. Must have been carried to gold.
Bro this was so frustrating to watch, I'm not even good at bap or ana and I do not struggle this much to keep my team alive on them
Their Bap keeps on missing the heals 😭
The dva pact is getting him triggered
3:15 Why would he waste lamp when Orisa could've just javelin spinned to the doorway to get to cover faster?
Are you deaf or blind or both?
Orisa spin was on cooldown and why would she waste a cool down on that when bap could js healed her to full hp n she would've survived
1.) 2:55 Orisa wasted fortify 1v1ing an Ana at distance -couldve used when the bomb came if they didn't use it earlier.
2.) 3:08 Went back and saw Orisa did javelin spin to try and escape the bomb, but they tried to cross the exposed highground instead of staying behind their original cover.
3.) Lamp is one of the longest cooldowns in the game. Yes I agree he could have healed her, but I don't agree that a 25sec cooldown needed to be used for that.
So yes, bad decision making on both parts, but not fair to put it entirely on Bap here.
@@RandomCivilianswhen you ask someone to look at a replay, you want them to give you good advice you can implement in your future games. you want to learn something. so if someone just fixates on what your teammates did wrong, that's useless to you. it doesn't help you learn, it doesn't shed light on situations where you could have changed the outcome of a team fight or round. it's counterproductive.
instead, a good replay viewer will give you feedback like this. they will tell you "you could have prevented this teammates death by doing X" because that is useful information. whether your teammate could have or should have done something different is 1000% irrelevant because you don't control what your teammates do. you do, however, control what YOU do
hopefully this helps you adjust your expectations for the advice given in spectating videos! it's about providing help to the submitter by letting them know things they could have done differently so they can be a more impactful teammate in the future.
@@sethescope Emongg explicitly states that he will tell you when it is your fault and when it's your teammates fault. Knowing your teammates cooldowns is completely relevant because if he had healed the orisa he would have needed it for the enemy retake on low ground. He can control what he does, but having all the information before making a decision is key, like how emongg likes to point out when people just use their abilities to press buttons on cooldown just because they're available. The criticism can still be constructive by making the asking player aware of their teammates playstyles. If your orisa is using everything on cooldown and pushing out of position doesn't mean you should.
Poor Baptiste. The control is drifting😂
I love it that I can see a controller player just by their sens and aim
Nah this guy has default sens on Xbox while I have much faster and more accurate on Xbox but I'm also in Gold somehow
i almost never see people hold server in diamond and lower, and it really is dominant on this map, makes for easy first point when nobody goes there ever
Im so glad im here so early, i love watching these videos ❤
This is they type of guy that reports me when I tank. New players dont understand tank and then get tilted immediately
this is the first one that ever hurt to watch, keep it up emongg LOL
The worst support ever. I'm not good either (my max rank as Plat 5), but oh my god...
4:10 is that really his fault for not healing, or the Orisa standing in a Dva ult.
He’s missing all his shot cuz he doesn’t use his exoboots. Obviously they had hitscan so he has to be careful but he he plays corners he can jump more and teammate die less
We making out of the spawn doors with this one!!!
There were a lot of mistakes made but some of the damage that tank was taking I'd seriously consider reviewing the other team for an aimbot or something. Like not to excuse the mistakes made but I genuinely wonder about that for this match.
You know it's gonna be a magical game when one of the first things you see is a soldier and rein just booking it into the team and not expecting to just explode
So in what rank do people who play Bap find out that you can shoot and heal at the same time?
I can barely talk and play at the same time….and I am in diamond….I found out in plat…..maybe 8 months into this game….can I do it…. No…lol. When did u learn
I started doing it when I was mid plat, masters now but it should start around mid diamond from what I be seeing.
I want to submit a vod but idk if my games are interesting enough to be spectated 😔
Back to you me, thanks me 😅😅😅 needs to he your green screen sign off😂😂
Emongg should show people how to pin.
I remember horizon lunar colony
I feel like I’ve had this guy on my team when I’m tank and it is rough. It’s like they watch tips and tricks vids and try to apply everything as much as possible but at all the wrong times and wrong situations. So many things to list off they’re doing wrong that in a game when you’ve got everything else to worry about you can’t even put the words together to explain to them what all they need to change. This vid kinda helped though seeing it like this (instead of through death spectator lol) because from now on my advice to these players is just stop overthinking and play your role.
That person is still in your rank for a reason. You HAVE to adjust. Since they're not making positioning adjustments, you have to be mindful of their LOS and hyper focus on staying in it so you can get sufficient heals as opposed to diving as much.
I am sure you play with so many supports who would say the exact same thing about you. you're in the same rank as them for a reason.
@@andersj91 it’s unreasonable to adjust for the one person a mile behind the rest of the team and nothing you can do when you are in their LOS and they’re trying to dps or line up the perfect Ana nade instead of simply keeping the tank up
@@sethescope nah dude sorry you feel called out but I only get placed so low because my internet sometimes drops and I get penalized. The other day I dropped 3 ranks because I got disconnected for like a minute, rejoined and won and went on to win the next 4 games but on placement only the penalty counts
@@Noisivus don't worry, I don't feel called out lol I'm much more highly ranked than you so we aren't in the same lobbies. but you're huffing a very common type of copium, you have this need to believe you're better than the people you're playing with so you are going to use anything necessary to support that belief. you're not going to acknowledge the moments when you mess up or give them equal weight because those moments contradict your belief. happens all the time.
With these healer it is better to stay in spawn as tank.
This video is just everyone messed up, tank got too aggressive at important moments and support was either out of position or wasn’t healing the tank
Only 10 minutes in and this match is worse than any bronze match I've played in. Gold? Nah, someones telling barneys
That's how gold lobby work my friend.
The new intro is fire
people like this get carried to ranks they shouldn’t be in and this is why in your match you either steamroll or get steamrolled. every time im climbing, it usually feels less like my enemies are getting better and more like my teammates get worse.
if you want to climb further, focusing on yourself and your mistakes will be a lot more productive and useful than fixating on what your teammates are supposedly doing wrong.
also, you might feel that way because you dont understand why your teammates in a higher tank do certain things so you think they're playing badly when they're actually making the right choices and you're the one who needs to catch up and learn.
i think this is some kinda byproduct of the participation trophy generation, you can never blame anyone for anything except yourself in some kind of spiritual growth enlightenment garbage. the cold hard truth is not everyone is cut out for competitive anything. some people have poor game sense, poor coordination, inability to focus on a task, etc etc. they shouldnt leave qp but they do... honestly idk what the solution is because if everyone on both teams was actually the same skill every game would be an hour long stress fest trying to win in overtime. there needs to be a winner and a loser. pretty sure matchmaker knows this. @@sethescope
@@sethescopeIt really sounds like he isn't good and blames others. But some times I have a feeling that most of the time I get the worse team mates. For example an Ash who miss 5 shots in close range and die, Dps Zen and Moira and my favorite tanks and dps who run into a 1 vs 5 (most of the time they have bastion) and blames the support.
16:32 The dude was reloading! Are you freaking blind? WTF!! I hate tanks because of this: They think supports don’t have to reload, they have infinite heals.
SUBBED FOR THE GREEN SCREEN!
I hate that this is Gold cuz his Sensitivity on xbox is HORRIBLE while mine is fast and accurate on Zen/Junkrat/Rein
JTAC5 on xbox
Whenever I play ow2 I get sick
Physical pain through thee roof
This was a painful watch
If this is console gold I'm fine staying in silver
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This isn't gold, it feels like bottom bronze, target priority is bad for both the tank and the supports
Welcome in gold.
A few months back I deleted OW2. Yesterday I saw my OW disc and figured why not I played a total of 7 ranked games (in gold) 6 of them I had a late game quitter on my team and the last an enemy that quit after they lost first fight (of course the match resets and the rest of the 4 on the enemy team don’t get a lose) I quickly remembered why I again deleted that cancer
I don't know about yall but all i saw was a support who tried to damage the whole game without trying to heal his tank and when the tank died he blamed him of feeding, Don't get me wrong tank was feeding at the beginning and i think it was 2nd point attack and tank need to work on positioning and timing but how do you expect me and my people to live and help you live if you won't look at us and keep us up?
How can you expect me to give shit when NOBODY SHOOT THE 🐦? HOW CAN YOU EXPECT ME TO CARE WHEN DPS AND TANK DON'T KNOW WHAT PEAL MEANS. 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮
@@jrpgnation6375 I'm going to give you a piece of advice that I wish someone had given me years ago - if you have good positioning as a support, you won't need your teammates to peel for you. and if you have good positioning, your team will actually be able to peel for you.
you can't control whether your team will turn around for you, but you can control whether you position well. I say, focus on what's in your control and save yourself with good positioning
what scope said but also shouldn't the other support also help you fight the flanker?
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How is this person in gold?
I've seen much worse in gold or Plat.
gold my ass
Why do low SR players hold their ults till OW24?
because they know ultimates are powerful and don't want to waste them. they may also not understand all the situations where using an ultimate can be a good idea. it's not that hard to understand lol
The thought process of this person concerns me 😂 tank blaming yet this the play...uh
I couldn't even finish this video because the reaction time/aim was just.. hard to watch.
The aim assist is making them feel good about themselves XD
It's harder than playing point and klick. 😂
The tank bias is kinda crazy in this vod review. Ana in overtime made a great play getting first pick on mercy and dva just stood there and absorbed as much damage as possible without using their fly to get to where the Ana was and Emongg blamed Ana. (Not to say this person wasn’t randomly afk at times). I also think the spam heal your tank is bad advice, they did that in the spawn doors and had no ammo when the tank left safety. Gibraltar first is so hard in metal ranks on support because no one has good positioning on either team so it’s just chaos.
Their tanks positioning was pretty bad, but Ana also dropped off the high ground and missed at least 5 of her shots trying to save him which led to the tanks death. Regardless of whether or not it was Ana’s fault if you want to get out of metal ranks you have to not crack under pressure which is exactly what happened.
how does advice like "your tank sucked, there is nothing you could have done differently" help this player learn?
fault and blame are useless concepts. if you truly want to improve and climb, it's not about who's ultimately to blame for a situation. it's all about understanding all the different mistakes you made that contributed to the outcome. maybe their mistakes didn't matter too much in this specific game, but they WILL matter in a different game, so it's important to understand the mistakes you make in every game you play. you have to be your own worst critic.
I heard Emongg say that it was the tank's fault if they were out of position. You're just looking to complain honestly.
Fifthst!
toast rank player .
Ahh, console. Kind of makes sense. Game looks mid bronze. The thumbnail kind of said it all. They are both garbage.
ok its been a month now, please fix your green screen effect
it's called a joke, my friend. the green screen is SUPPOSED to be scuffed. the overwhelming majority of the community thinks the bad green screen is hilarious and charming. the scuffed nature is a feature, not a bug. it's supposed to be bad. hopefully this clears things up for you!
@@sethescope I was before aware of the humor and the satire that he has set up with this effect. I find it funny myself. It would be just nice to see Emongg in crisp quality in this newscaster mode which looks awesome no matter how it's made.
I was unaware of the tone I've set with my comment but it was meant to be taken half-jokingly. A grumpy fan type of comment. I apologize for the miscommunication and for giving a feeling of negativity.
@@mefo7706 here's the biggest brain idea I'll have all week: what if he gets another green screen and alternates so on one day we get Professional Streamer Emongg™️ and then the next day we get crunchy gremlin emongg lol best of both worlds!
That would be nice @@sethescope! he must use it only for something big like OWL jumping there, pointing, switching from game to map, showing action unfold! Ahhh