Professor hoodbhoy there is a definition of bharatvarsh as the land between the Himalayas and the Indian Ocean. The people who lived in this area were bound by the common Vedic culture practiced in variety of ways.
@@denk3236 Sangam (poems) literature did contain old stories. Please do remember that sangam literature as we know it today, was mostly compiled and documented during British era. 🙏🙏
@@kdshak4904 Bharatvarsha was mentioned even in Chanakya's Arthashastra in 300BC. The reason why EVERYONE in India belonging to Dharmic religions & not outsider enemy religions readily accepted BHARAT as our nation is because for thousands of years we ALWAYS referred to our collective civilization as BHARAT / BHARATAKHANDA / BHARATAVARSHA.
I emphasized multiple times before and will say again, how lucky we are that Parvez Hoodbhoy is one of ours. His intense beliefs in Science and the courage with which he can present his views are unparalleled, thank you sir you are our best!
Marevellous discussion, Unfortunately, Pakistan has ONE Hoodbhoy and India has many more. Let's hope we can develop more Hoodbhoy. India education class may help the subcontinent society. We pray. Long live all of you. Abdul Basit
Wow... Prof Pervez is phenomenally brilliant and not afraid to call it like it is, certainly doesn't pander to any left wishful thinking. It's a pity on the observation he made about the Maulana Azad University in Hyderabad, India. I live few hours drive from there. Hope someone enlightens them into modernity.. Great many thanks to the organizers for this. Hats off👏👏👏
Haven't watched such an excellent, superb and outstanding initiative on TH-cam video. Very big salute to Pervaiz Hoodbhoy saheb. Salute and thanks to each of the participants.
Dr. Hoodbhoy is good in science, but cursory on history. Two Nation Theory was not started by Jinnah as Dr. Hoodbhoy states, but much earlier by Syed Ahmed and Iqbal.
Bharatvarsha was mentioned even in Chanakya's Arthashastra in 300BC. The reason why EVERYONE in India belonging to Dharmic religions & not outsider enemy religions readily accepted BHARAT as our nation is because for thousands of years we ALWAYS referred to our collective civilization as BHARAT / BHARATAKHANDA / BHARATAVARSHA.
My Hindu community has never approved of marriage or even dining with Muslims. Rajput - Mughal marriage were exceptions to the rule and were strategical political compromises not evidence of some composite culture.
2:20:20 Hoodbhoy: India’s Hindu bourgeoisie helped it industrialise. Islami bourgeoisie of Pee’stan wasn’t up to it. Check the role of Islam in this. The main cause of Pee’stan stumbling down the creek!
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انسان مل کر رھنے والی مخلوق کا سردار ھے یہ مل کے رھنے میں مختلف طرحیں پیدا کرتا ھے قومیں قوموں سے ملتی ھیں ترقی ھوتی ھے ھندوستان ایک کثیر القومی دنیا ھے انسانوں کا ایک باغ اسے جنگل بنا دینا پرلے درجے کی نادانی ھے قوموں کے درمیان تفاوت تنوع ھیں انہیں مثبت استعمال کیا جانا چاھیے مزھب تو ایک سلیوشن ھی جوڑنے کا ھے مزھب قوم قبیلے کی بنیاد پر جھگڑے کرنا وھی کرتے ھں جو اس ساٸنس کو نہیں سمجھتے نادان
No Pervez - please do not start your session with ancient India was a divided entity with disparate beliefs. All ancient civilizations Chinese, Indian, Greco-Roman, Persian created their own philosophy, beliefs/religion, language, script, art and architecture and much more that are unique to that civilization with regional variations. That gives a very strong glue and provides a base for building a modern nation and state. This is the primary reason why India and China are back among the top 5 economies and will be in the top 3 in 10 years.
exactly. even china broke a lot of time but look today, when concept of modern nation states emerges, china is whole again infact even bigger than what it used to be .
If you look at how ppp treats the people of karachi, you will see that there are other reasons for the current state of affairs in pakistan. The only way to have an objective answer is to check how indian muslims feel in india now.
@@hassanazad4627 May be you should provide a provision or a law so that Indian Muslims who gave difficulties in India be given asylum or citizenship in Pakistan? Just like CAA, in India. These Muslims of India voted for partition of India but didn't leave to Pakistan. In essence, these are your own people,say they are Non Resident Pakistanis. Take them back. They want to live among us and do gazwa e hind and we consider them to be a nuisance and a national security threat. We don't want then. And TBH, momins can't live or coexist with others, not just in India but elsewhere in the world too.
With due respect mr Raza India irrespective of Modi in power, we are a lot more tolerant than our neighbour, let's not forget that PM modi staked his politics to visit Nawaz Sharif for his granddaughters wedding, with a hand of friendship, Pakistan is obsessed with Kashmir not us, vajpayee visited lahore with same sense. We are willing to move on as long as Pakistan gets over the K obsession
The root of the problem is that Kashmiris are obsessed with liberty which was snatched from them by India by force at the time of partition. Common sense solution is to let the people of Kashmir decide in a free plebiscite as on the books at UN for decades.
It’s not that simple. Kashmir acceded legally to India through an instrument of accession, the very same terse document signed by a large number of princely states that acceded to both India and Pakistan. This accession was further affirmed through a vote in 1953 by a duly elected Kashmiri constituent assembly. If India allows a referendum in Kashmir under simply the principle of self determination (the mood in Kashmir may well have changed now), what is the legal basis to deny a similar referendum in other parts of India and pray, in Pakistani Baluchistan, Sindh and NWFP? It will be demanded, and before you know it, there will be civil war in the entire subcontinent and dislocation of populations not seem even during partition. Any Indian will therefore never agree to a suicidal referendum. Holding peace hostage to a plebiscite in Kashmir is basically saying one is not interested in peace. Other solutions need be sought and perhaps the Kashmir assimilation that Modi is doing right now may be the best way forward to peace, since that may eventually lead to eventually weakening the resolve in Pakistan to pursue any objectives in Kashmir. Historically, peace😂 is usually a result of defeat of an adversary’s resolve to take territory.
@@edisonbrain do not try to justify the stealing the right of Kashmiris for self determination that was promised to them and is enshrined in a UN resolution. India claims to be democracy but want to use the right of a prince to accede to India against the wishes of the Kashmiri people? 75 years of history shows Kashmiris will not give up the right to choose their destiny. Rulers of Pakistan can hardly manage their own country let lone manage Kashmir insurgency. Instead of being fanatic about holding territory, civilized societies let people living in the territory decide their future. Referendums in Scotland, Catalina Spain, Quebec Canada are some examples. Also, don’t try to equate the situation in Kashmir with the situation in Baluchistan. The insurgency there came about long after independence as a result of political mismanagement. Kashmiris were robbed of their right of self determination from day one.
India as one entity Bharat finds mention in so many of our ancient scriptures. Even in Vedic rituals we identify our location as bharata varsha and aryavarta. The problem is that fake historians like romilla thapar have no knowledge of Sanskrit and Pali. With due respect Hoodbhoy is wrong
British political election system created majority Hindu identity. Upper caste Hindus knew that majority lower castes will overwhelm them unless they are all brought under the banner of Hindu religion. By 1890’s many enlightened British wanted to handover control to local political party. So they set up Indian Congress party. Initially the party was supposed to be religion-free inclusive political grouping. To gather votes, Hindu and Muslim leaders both actively used religious slogans. That was the start of 2 “political” groups or Two Nation Theory.
He dodged everything, difference were always there just because you didn't mention that doesn't mean killings and plunders didn't happened. there is no fact it is bla bla bla only.
So basically Mr. Pervez wants to emphasize on the point that unpartitioned India didn't really belong to Hindus . I need J Sai Deepak to have a good discussion with him.
Indian subcontinent is Multi-National region. Pretty much every province/state has their own language, culture, and history. Thus an MNT (Multi Nation Theory) is more applicable than TNT (Two Nation Theory). The drawback of MNT is that it may result in Balkanization. However beating all these nations together in the name of Islam or Hindutva is not good either.
The partition of India based on two nation theory, operationally defined as Muslims can’t live with Non-Muslims. Both Parvez, and Ravi lived in a country where they were minorities. Their success was based on their acceptance by the American or the majority community (not to minimize the American failure with its Afro-American population). I find it curious non of the scholars are willing to outline the inherent psychological conditions present then and now. Non of these scholars are looking at the inherent incompatibility of Democracy (one person one vote) as evidenced by struggle for Bengal Des, modernity (rule of reason), within the Islamic community as evidenced by the total lack of social reforms, negation of rights of minorities, or even others who may hold different mode of worship. It is so idiotic to view the past with the modern glasses, for example let us look at the American Empire. It came to power after the Second World War and stands on the shoulders of European achievements. The reach of the American culture is now universal. Can we justify American civilization with the modern human rights spectacles. The empires are both political and cultural. Non of these modern scholars are versed in the pre Mughal Indian history (as evidenced by their comments on India’s history, or the Indian struggle as depicted in the writings (puran). As a psychologist I have to acknowledge I can’t even talk to these scholars even with a few drinks together. For me their foundation of their understanding of history, politics, social development is suspect. I do admire Dr. Parvez for his effort to rise above his basic conditioning. His Indian counterparts are so tightly armored and incased in their belief systems that their existing reality of an internal ideological servitude escapes them.
2:14:17 Ravi Sinha, what a blocked head! Hoodbhoy says that the equivalence on the treatment meted to Hindus in Pee’stan and that of the Muslims in India is false, since the Hindus in Pee’stan are close to being decimated. Sinha, who doesn’t even live in India goes: no no Muslims in India are treated worse. Such are the Jaichands! Lage raho!
Dr. Pervez Hoodabhoy is a rare intellectual who conducts a rational analysis of information available to him and forms opinion based on it. But he does not represent an average Pakistani-indeed an average Pakistani would not find him acceptable at all. I don't foresee coming together of two countries in the foreseeable future. Even though I like Pakistani singers, comedians, dramatists and even intellectuals. Unfortunately we will remain as we are for considerable time. Jinnah has been discussed too much but he ended up creating Pakistan that is a problem child and will remain so for decades.
Professor hoodbhoy I realise you are left leaning but you need to get a view of the other side. Do read the works of minakshi Jain and jay Sai deepak. Romila thappar has a colonial mindset.
It's just another india Pakistan hyper optimistic dialogue full of jiber jaber of peace harmony and bullshit. There has been lots of voice towards hindu nationalism which is in rise in India. But they didn't account empirically and logically the reason of animosity from Indian side and Rise of Hindu Nationalism. I'm a common Hindu and probably most apt to answer this, first Hindu nationalism is not a Singular perhaps it's reaction to asserting Muslim Indenting, India as a land is melting pot of thoughts, culture and civilization. All co-exist within umbrella of Indianess, but unfortunately muslims wants to asserts itself as opposed to Hindus, Muslims don't want to embrace modernity ex is recent choosing Hijab over education. Second the cross border terrorism controlled by Pakistan, terrorism must stop at all count if any dialogue to resume but unfortunately Pakistan is moving towards more religious fundamentalism. Second Pakistan itself don't want to trade with India remember India didn't put embargo over trade relations with Pakistan.
Correction - Akbar was not half local. Akbar’s mother was Persian. His father Humanyun had no Indian blood either.
Professor hoodbhoy there is a definition of bharatvarsh as the land between the Himalayas and the Indian Ocean. The people who lived in this area were bound by the common Vedic culture practiced in variety of ways.
Before 1947, Indian Population was never partitioned based on their religion. Pakistanis cannot pursue and justify this unholy and bloody partition.
That’s post colonial idea. 🙏🙏🙏
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Written in Sangam literature
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Sangam (poems) literature did contain old stories. Please do remember that sangam literature as we know it today, was mostly compiled and documented during British era. 🙏🙏
@@kdshak4904 Bharatvarsha was mentioned even in Chanakya's Arthashastra in 300BC.
The reason why EVERYONE in India belonging to Dharmic religions & not outsider enemy religions readily accepted BHARAT as our nation is because for thousands of years we ALWAYS referred to our collective civilization as BHARAT / BHARATAKHANDA / BHARATAVARSHA.
I emphasized multiple times before and will say again, how lucky we are that Parvez Hoodbhoy is one of ours. His intense beliefs in Science and the courage with which he can present his views are unparalleled, thank you sir you are our best!
Marevellous discussion, Unfortunately, Pakistan has ONE Hoodbhoy and India has many more. Let's hope we can develop more Hoodbhoy. India education class may help the subcontinent society. We pray. Long live all of you. Abdul Basit
That's such a decent and thoughtful discussion. Thank you all for contributing your views that may somehow help our current generations to coexist.
Wow... Prof Pervez is phenomenally brilliant and not afraid to call it like it is, certainly doesn't pander to any left wishful thinking. It's a pity on the observation he made about the Maulana Azad University in Hyderabad, India. I live few hours drive from there. Hope someone enlightens them into modernity..
Great many thanks to the organizers for this. Hats off👏👏👏
Problem is not with race but it is in Islam, problem is not if Jahangir or Aurangjeb had Indian blood or not, problem is in their faith
Haven't watched such an excellent, superb and outstanding initiative on TH-cam video. Very big salute to Pervaiz Hoodbhoy saheb. Salute and thanks to each of the participants.
Wonderful insightful discourse by Professor Hoodbhoy
Dr. Hoodbhoy is good in science, but cursory on history. Two Nation Theory was not started by Jinnah as Dr. Hoodbhoy states, but much earlier by Syed Ahmed and Iqbal.
True! Hoodbhoy Is Not So Well At History.
Bharatvarsha was mentioned even in Chanakya's Arthashastra in 300BC.
The reason why EVERYONE in India belonging to Dharmic religions & not outsider enemy religions readily accepted BHARAT as our nation is because for thousands of years we ALWAYS referred to our collective civilization as BHARAT / BHARATAKHANDA / BHARATAVARSHA.
My Hindu community has never approved of marriage or even dining with Muslims. Rajput - Mughal marriage were exceptions to the rule and were strategical political compromises not evidence of some composite culture.
2:20:20
Hoodbhoy: India’s Hindu bourgeoisie helped it industrialise.
Islami bourgeoisie of Pee’stan wasn’t up to it.
Check the role of Islam in this.
The main cause of Pee’stan stumbling down the creek!
It would be better if we could get a list of speakers along with their introduction
Excellent presentation. Very thoughtful and needed lecture to the present context. Congratulations to speaker and New Socialist Initiative (NSI) team.
Know Jinnah, Gandhi, and the British Partnership which led to the Partition of India
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انسان مل کر رھنے والی مخلوق کا سردار ھے یہ مل کے رھنے میں مختلف طرحیں پیدا کرتا ھے قومیں قوموں سے ملتی ھیں ترقی ھوتی ھے ھندوستان ایک کثیر القومی دنیا ھے انسانوں کا ایک باغ اسے جنگل بنا دینا پرلے درجے کی نادانی ھے قوموں کے درمیان تفاوت تنوع ھیں انہیں مثبت استعمال کیا جانا چاھیے مزھب تو ایک سلیوشن ھی جوڑنے کا ھے مزھب قوم قبیلے کی بنیاد پر جھگڑے کرنا وھی کرتے ھں جو اس ساٸنس کو نہیں سمجھتے نادان
No Pervez - please do not start your session with ancient India was a divided entity with disparate beliefs. All ancient civilizations Chinese, Indian, Greco-Roman, Persian created their own philosophy, beliefs/religion, language, script, art and architecture and much more that are unique to that civilization with regional variations. That gives a very strong glue and provides a base for building a modern nation and state. This is the primary reason why India and China are back among the top 5 economies and will be in the top 3 in 10 years.
exactly. even china broke a lot of time but look today, when concept of modern nation states emerges, china is whole again infact even bigger than what it used to be .
1979 also saw the birth of AL Qaeda with the siege of the most sacred mosque in Mecca in November.
The two nation theory is a non issue today. It was cremated on the streets of Dacca on the early morning of March 26, 1971.
If you look at how ppp treats the people of karachi, you will see that there are other reasons for the current state of affairs in pakistan. The only way to have an objective answer is to check how indian muslims feel in india now.
I just googled shabana azmi cannot find a house in Mumbai and found many links to the difficulties faced by Muslim celebrities in india.
TNT is not for Pakistan vs. India anymore. It is more for Indian majority vs. Indian minority. India is turning out to be a two nation country.
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But Javed Akhtar lives in same Mumbai. How ?
@@hassanazad4627 May be you should provide a provision or a law so that Indian Muslims who gave difficulties in India be given asylum or citizenship in Pakistan? Just like CAA, in India. These Muslims of India voted for partition of India but didn't leave to Pakistan. In essence, these are your own people,say they are Non Resident Pakistanis. Take them back. They want to live among us and do gazwa e hind and we consider them to be a nuisance and a national security threat. We don't want then. And TBH, momins can't live or coexist with others, not just in India but elsewhere in the world too.
With due respect mr Raza India irrespective of Modi in power, we are a lot more tolerant than our neighbour, let's not forget that PM modi staked his politics to visit Nawaz Sharif for his granddaughters wedding, with a hand of friendship, Pakistan is obsessed with Kashmir not us, vajpayee visited lahore with same sense. We are willing to move on as long as Pakistan gets over the K obsession
The root of the problem is that Kashmiris are obsessed with liberty which was snatched from them by India by force at the time of partition. Common sense solution is to let the people of Kashmir decide in a free plebiscite as on the books at UN for decades.
@@KF-786 No More Terr0rists State Like Pakístan In Neighbourhood.
@@KF-786 Common sense would be to erase your kaum like you did in your country
It’s not that simple. Kashmir acceded legally to India through an instrument of accession, the very same terse document signed by a large number of princely states that acceded to both India and Pakistan. This accession was further affirmed through a vote in 1953 by a duly elected Kashmiri constituent assembly.
If India allows a referendum in Kashmir under simply the principle of self determination (the mood in Kashmir may well have changed now), what is the legal basis to deny a similar referendum in other parts of India and pray, in Pakistani Baluchistan, Sindh and NWFP? It will be demanded, and before you know it, there will be civil war in the entire subcontinent and dislocation of populations not seem even during partition. Any Indian will therefore never agree to a suicidal referendum. Holding peace hostage to a plebiscite in Kashmir is basically saying one is not interested in peace. Other solutions need be sought and perhaps the Kashmir assimilation that Modi is doing right now may be the best way forward to peace, since that may eventually lead to eventually weakening the resolve in Pakistan to pursue any objectives in Kashmir. Historically, peace😂 is usually a result of defeat of an adversary’s resolve to take territory.
@@edisonbrain do not try to justify the stealing the right of Kashmiris for self determination that was promised to them and is enshrined in a UN resolution. India claims to be democracy but want to use the right of a prince to accede to India against the wishes of the Kashmiri people? 75 years of history shows Kashmiris will not give up the right to choose their destiny. Rulers of Pakistan can hardly manage their own country let lone manage Kashmir insurgency. Instead of being fanatic about holding territory, civilized societies let people living in the territory decide their future. Referendums in Scotland, Catalina Spain, Quebec Canada are some examples. Also, don’t try to equate the situation in Kashmir with the situation in Baluchistan. The insurgency there came about long after independence as a result of political mismanagement. Kashmiris were robbed of their right of self determination from day one.
India Should build a Temple for Jinnah in every city ....thanks to him ,we dont have to live with gangrene....
India as one entity Bharat finds mention in so many of our ancient scriptures. Even in Vedic rituals we identify our location as bharata varsha and aryavarta. The problem is that fake historians like romilla thapar have no knowledge of Sanskrit and Pali. With due respect Hoodbhoy is wrong
exactly. these wampanthi historian have dstored and given their interpretation of history, not the history itself.
The unholy and unnatural state of Pakistan should be dismantled.
Great analysis.
British political election system created majority Hindu identity. Upper caste Hindus knew that majority lower castes will overwhelm them unless they are all brought under the banner of Hindu religion.
By 1890’s many enlightened British wanted to handover control to local political party. So they set up Indian Congress party. Initially the party was supposed to be religion-free inclusive political grouping.
To gather votes, Hindu and Muslim leaders both actively used religious slogans.
That was the start of 2 “political” groups or Two Nation Theory.
He dodged everything, difference were always there just because you didn't mention that doesn't mean killings and plunders didn't happened. there is no fact it is bla bla bla only.
Jha and Thapar seriously🤣🤣. Apparently, Sindu was an Arabic term as well.
Jinnah was known as ambassador of Hindu Muslim unity. What happened that he stopped trusting Hindu leaders ?
lol
Lol.
So basically Mr. Pervez wants to emphasize on the point that unpartitioned India didn't really belong to Hindus . I need J Sai Deepak to have a good discussion with him.
Indian subcontinent is Multi-National region. Pretty much every province/state has their own language, culture, and history.
Thus an MNT (Multi Nation Theory) is more applicable than TNT (Two Nation Theory).
The drawback of MNT is that it may result in Balkanization. However beating all these nations together in the name of Islam or Hindutva is not good either.
Hindutva will kill jihad
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These type of extremist posts should be avoided. They simply flame the hate and further the cause of anarchists.
The partition of India based on two nation theory, operationally defined as Muslims can’t live with Non-Muslims. Both Parvez, and Ravi lived in a country where they were minorities. Their success was based on their acceptance by the American or the majority community (not to minimize the American failure with its Afro-American population).
I find it curious non of the scholars are willing to outline the inherent psychological conditions present then and now.
Non of these scholars are looking at the inherent incompatibility of Democracy (one person one vote) as evidenced by struggle for Bengal Des, modernity (rule of reason), within the Islamic community as evidenced by the total lack of social reforms, negation of rights of minorities, or even others who may hold different mode of worship.
It is so idiotic to view the past with the modern glasses, for example let us look at the American Empire. It came to power after the Second World War and stands on the shoulders of European achievements. The reach of the American culture is now universal. Can we justify American civilization with the modern human rights spectacles.
The empires are both political and cultural. Non of these modern scholars are versed in the pre Mughal Indian history (as evidenced by their comments on India’s history, or the Indian struggle as depicted in the writings (puran).
As a psychologist I have to acknowledge I can’t even talk to these scholars even with a few drinks together. For me their foundation of their understanding of history, politics, social development is suspect. I do admire Dr. Parvez for his effort to rise above his basic conditioning. His Indian counterparts are so tightly armored and incased in their belief systems that their existing reality of an internal ideological servitude escapes them.
2:14:17 Ravi Sinha, what a blocked head!
Hoodbhoy says that the equivalence on the treatment meted to Hindus in Pee’stan and that of the Muslims in India is false, since the Hindus in Pee’stan are close to being decimated.
Sinha, who doesn’t even live in India goes: no no Muslims in India are treated worse.
Such are the Jaichands!
Lage raho!
Dr. Pervez Hoodabhoy is a rare intellectual who conducts a rational analysis of information available to him and forms opinion based on it. But he does not represent an average Pakistani-indeed an average Pakistani would not find him acceptable at all.
I don't foresee coming together of two countries in the foreseeable future. Even though I like Pakistani singers, comedians, dramatists and even intellectuals. Unfortunately we will remain as we are for considerable time.
Jinnah has been discussed too much but he ended up creating Pakistan that is a problem child and will remain so for decades.
Hahaha you are now seculerising aurangzeb, to know what he was people have to read his book only.
Shah waliullah born 1707 and Aurangzeb dies 1707
Professor hoodbhoy I realise you are left leaning but you need to get a view of the other side. Do read the works of minakshi Jain and jay Sai deepak. Romila thappar has a colonial mindset.
first you learn, English, before you give your damn preaching.
Correct Shankar. He Has Mostly Read Marxist’s Book, So He Has Such Views.👍
no use in english language
RAHUL BETA VAPIS LAO. EK HI RASTA.
Sudhanshu you are talking rubbish
It's just another india Pakistan hyper optimistic dialogue full of jiber jaber of peace harmony and bullshit. There has been lots of voice towards hindu nationalism which is in rise in India. But they didn't account empirically and logically the reason of animosity from Indian side and Rise of Hindu Nationalism. I'm a common Hindu and probably most apt to answer this, first Hindu nationalism is not a Singular perhaps it's reaction to asserting Muslim Indenting, India as a land is melting pot of thoughts, culture and civilization. All co-exist within umbrella of Indianess, but unfortunately muslims wants to asserts itself as opposed to Hindus, Muslims don't want to embrace modernity ex is recent choosing Hijab over education. Second the cross border terrorism controlled by Pakistan, terrorism must stop at all count if any dialogue to resume but unfortunately Pakistan is moving towards more religious fundamentalism. Second Pakistan itself don't want to trade with India remember India didn't put embargo over trade relations with Pakistan.
You can become the best science teacher researcher in the world, but once you start reading Romilla Thapar you become the dumbest guy in no time
Why?
@@japantarzan3551 read Romilla Thapar to know more 🤣
@@karolbagh3793 who is Romila Thapar? Indian or Pakistani?
@@japantarzan3551 who are Indian or pakistani