Seeing Grinch ditch his m4 and pull out akimbo pistols then dropping down to one pistol is great representation of their slow descent to a sure but valiant and heroic death.
This has always made me wonder if the world ever found out about what Shepard did. Sure, TF141 got their names cleared and reinstated but I don't think it was ever said if Shepard's crimes were ever brought to light.
I'm sure that if Shepherd's crimes were brought to light, the following scenarios would most likely happen: TF-141 name is cleared. Shepherd's body will be removed from Arlington and reburied somewhere less memorable (perhaps even cremated and the ashes dumped into the ocean). Shepherd's name would be synonymous with that of Benedict Arnold and Vidkun Quisling. Future generations would revile him - in America as a despicable traitor with no sense of honor or loyalty and in both Russia and the rest of the world as one of two monsters who unleashed WW3 (the other being Makarov). Shepherd will go down in official history, not as the war hero he wanted to be, but as a war criminal.
funny is in MW III version of Rust, there is skull with throwing knive stick through left eye hole, right at position of where Price and Shepherd brawling. So it either easter egg or lead to another route : the sand storm back then buried Shepherd corpse, rescue team never found his corpse. I more believe this is just easter egg unrelated to main story since location of OG rust is next to river and very tall waterfall (where Price and Soap dropped down from) and no crashed heli around.
@@counterman-namreview516 It is. 1st, the OG mission took place in a place next to a river. There is no river or waterfall in Rust. 2nd, the map where Shepherd and Price faught really looks like Rust but it's not. Look carefully, noclip if you can. It's a totally different place. 3rd, OG MW and reboot MW are not connected.
Thank you,@@asswhip. Though, there are some considerable differences between Shepherd and The Boss. In fact, Joseph Allen would be much similar to The Boss than Shepherd, as Allen was used and discarded by Shepherd to further his ambitions much like how The Boss was used and discarded by the U.S. government.
Sandman and the Delta Team are the true heroes. Think about it. They held their ground, just the three of them only, to buy some time to the Helli pilot, Yuri, Price, and Russian president to escape. Their not afraid to die, to risk their lives for their fellow soldiers, and fought bravely until the very end.
In case some of you didn't know where did Frost go in this mission, there was a spec-ops mission "Black Ice" that you play as one of the TFT141-Delta Teams. The objective was to blast your way through the control room of the mine that Sandman and Price guys were in. When you reach the control panel, Overlord radioed you in a callsign of "Metal 0-4" in which is the callsign of Frost. He was ordered to blow up the controls and not knowing that it would cause the whole mine to collapse, in which successfully have the Russian president rescued while Sandman, Grinch, and Truck died (Also McCoy, who died in the lift). It still doesn't make any sense why Overlord ordered him to do that while the VIP and Delta Team were still in there.
@@Vedic-hs2es Initially, yes, but it wasn't just the control room that Frost managed to destroy. He literally activated self-destruct sequence which means it could gradually explode the mine. I think this could also explain why there's explosion everywhere in the mine while TF141/Delta were rescuing the president, even though we didn't cause any destructive action (except to doors and concrete floor) to the mine itself.
Wasn’t Sandman and Metal Team at Operation Kingfish? And Price sacrificed himself to save the rest of the team. They’ve worked together in the past and have a lot of trust in each other.
@@iareanoob2277 It's cannon because that was the mission that led to Price being captured by the russians and thrown into the gulag until they broke him out in MW2(2009), and yea its true COD themselves had the film made.
if you know your cod history, Price and metal zeroes did a mission before the events of cod mw2. This was not in any game as it is sort of a mini movie. This mission is where price get's captured hence he became prisoner 627. Metal Zeroes knew Capt price and they believe the guy as innocent
I try to pay attention to the plot in games and I thought about this too. My personal theory was that Price had such an amazing record that, while officially he was on everyone's shit-list, unofficially he still had some friends around the world at best and people were skeptical and cautious at worst, but nobody really wanted to track and kill Captain Price himself. Also proving he was still on the US/NATO's side throughout the story with the missions he and the 141 undertake, it wouldn't be difficult for Sandman to know something wasn't right with the Shepherd situation. And to be fair, it's world war 3, even if Sandman and Overlord were skeptical of Price, they would require all the help they could get and Price provided them with a lot during the game, like for example the Berlin tip or Volk's connection to Makarov
It’s war; the rules go out the window. During World War II, the War Department worked closely with the Italian mafia to prepare for the invasion of Sicily (and then Italy proper) while also getting them to help secure American shipyards against German spies. It was truly all hands on deck, and a lot of plea deals were made and criminals let off in the name of shortening the war.
Honestly this was the mission that made me love Modern Warfare 3. I remember playing this game nearly a decade ago, getting to this mission and it really stuck with me, that in the game there is no way to save them. This was the game that changed people's perspectives on war, the previous COD games portrayed war as this exhilarating moment to prove loyalty to your country and made it seem like a one-man team was fully possible, but when you reach this mission you realize that it's the opposite. War is hell, not everyone get's to live. You will watch your friends die, you will see carnage, and you have no hopes in changing that outcome. It makes you step back and think about how just fucked up war really is.
Another interesting fact Price informed sandman about Volk being Makarov bomb maker and that his location is in Paris so he basically confirm the intelligence for that major operation. And after that operation took place Sandman informed Price about the meeting with Makarov in Prague saying we have tier 1 teams assigned to handle this but they're not going to make it in time but you're close. Price simple responded with very and I'll contact you when it's done. And one final thing Price had a cade to call Sandman, That being access code Black Viking which guaranteed him secure line to asset Metal 0-1 = Sandman
So...why would delta sacrifice themselves? As a tier 1 special missions unit, which is also based on the SAS...who price was with as well as ghost and soap... Delta knows that the mission always comes first and the objective is priority 1. That means doing whatever it takes to complete the mission even if it means ensuring others make it. Hence...the sacrifice of sandman, Grinch, truck helping tf141 save the Russian President and ending ww3.
This is shoot and run game like typical FPS, but until now I didn't realize it had its own plot and lore. It connects the dots on what's going on the game story wise
Also have to remember that there are small oversights like this with this game in general. MW3s production was held up due to the legal issues going on with IW and sledgehammer at the time which means they had to release the game as polished as they could. They did a fantastic job with everything either way no doubt
A little bit of trivia on the briefing cutscene for Down The Rabbit Hole: because Task Force 141 was disavowed until after the Russian president's rescue, one of the imaging screens show the SAS emblem next to the Delta one instead. It may or may not be intentional but i'm guessing that it was done by someone up top to prevent people from getting the wrong idea.
if you know your cod history, Price and metal zeroes did a mission before the events of cod mw2. This was not in any game as it is sort of a mini movie. This mission is where price get's captured hence he became prisoner 627. Metal Zeroes knew Capt price and they believe the guy as innocent
i havent replayed "Down The Hole" but could it be that Overlord not responding to Price directly so that there will be no record of them being there because "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" because TF141 still have a bad rep. Sandman's team and Overlord could vouch for him but the DoD still doesnt trust TF141 after allegedly betraying them by killing Shepherd. Price also told Nikolai to call the Americans and probably said Nikolai was a traitor to Makarov so the mission could be given the green light easier.
It’s clearly referenced in the cutscenes that Delta will take credit and TF141 will be kept anonymous, I guess overlord knew TF141 and was not convinced they went rouge so it’s very likely all the intel Sandman got was privately shared to him and kept anonymous with cover story of Delta finding “documents” that corroborated their intel.
They had the same contact and the same goals, that’s why they worked together… the REAL question to ask is how did Alex Mason kill JFK the same week he was on a black op deep in Kazakhstan (that went sideways) in less than 5 days?
As i remember, there was a short clip here in yt, namely, operation kingfish, where SAS and delta force team up in finding makarov. I think that's when Price and soap first worked with the Delta guys th-cam.com/video/afs8lcfBY7Q/w-d-xo.htmlsi=DMe5Perus75f-GVc
They worked on an op in the past Named Kingfish where Soap Price Sandman where tasked to capture Makarov Its a infact a short film you can look up on yt as promotion
Seeing Grinch ditch his m4 and pull out akimbo pistols then dropping down to one pistol is great representation of their slow descent to a sure but valiant and heroic death.
Not just pistol, godamn Desert Eagles,
MK14
@paulyanez210
Thanks. Was gonna say that.
Um actually it was an Mk14.
This has always made me wonder if the world ever found out about what Shepard did. Sure, TF141 got their names cleared and reinstated but I don't think it was ever said if Shepard's crimes were ever brought to light.
I'm sure that if Shepherd's crimes were brought to light, the following scenarios would most likely happen:
TF-141 name is cleared.
Shepherd's body will be removed from Arlington and reburied somewhere less memorable (perhaps even cremated and the ashes dumped into the ocean).
Shepherd's name would be synonymous with that of Benedict Arnold and Vidkun Quisling.
Future generations would revile him - in America as a despicable traitor with no sense of honor or loyalty and in both Russia and the rest of the world as one of two monsters who unleashed WW3 (the other being Makarov).
Shepherd will go down in official history, not as the war hero he wanted to be, but as a war criminal.
funny is in MW III version of Rust, there is skull with throwing knive stick through left eye hole, right at position of where Price and Shepherd brawling. So it either easter egg or lead to another route : the sand storm back then buried Shepherd corpse, rescue team never found his corpse. I more believe this is just easter egg unrelated to main story since location of OG rust is next to river and very tall waterfall (where Price and Soap dropped down from) and no crashed heli around.
@@counterman-namreview516 It is.
1st, the OG mission took place in a place next to a river. There is no river or waterfall in Rust.
2nd, the map where Shepherd and Price faught really looks like Rust but it's not. Look carefully, noclip if you can. It's a totally different place.
3rd, OG MW and reboot MW are not connected.
@@samzorn4656 I see what you did with Shepherd and The Boss lmfao
Thank you,@@asswhip. Though, there are some considerable differences between Shepherd and The Boss.
In fact, Joseph Allen would be much similar to The Boss than Shepherd, as Allen was used and discarded by Shepherd to further his ambitions much like how The Boss was used and discarded by the U.S. government.
Honestly because price didn't care he believed in doing the right thing and they noticed that
“Don’t even think about it mate, where in this together” 😢
truck cover the right side
Sandman and the Delta Team are the true heroes. Think about it. They held their ground, just the three of them only, to buy some time to the Helli pilot, Yuri, Price, and Russian president to escape. Their not afraid to die, to risk their lives for their fellow soldiers, and fought bravely until the very end.
In case some of you didn't know where did Frost go in this mission, there was a spec-ops mission "Black Ice" that you play as one of the TFT141-Delta Teams. The objective was to blast your way through the control room of the mine that Sandman and Price guys were in. When you reach the control panel, Overlord radioed you in a callsign of "Metal 0-4" in which is the callsign of Frost. He was ordered to blow up the controls and not knowing that it would cause the whole mine to collapse, in which successfully have the Russian president rescued while Sandman, Grinch, and Truck died (Also McCoy, who died in the lift). It still doesn't make any sense why Overlord ordered him to do that while the VIP and Delta Team were still in there.
That didn’t set off the whole mine. Those were set off by desperate ultranationalists
Well that explosion was way too small.
@@Vedic-hs2es Initially, yes, but it wasn't just the control room that Frost managed to destroy. He literally activated self-destruct sequence which means it could gradually explode the mine. I think this could also explain why there's explosion everywhere in the mine while TF141/Delta were rescuing the president, even though we didn't cause any destructive action (except to doors and concrete floor) to the mine itself.
Overlord not responding to Price could just be that Price isn’t on the same frequency on the radio.
they met on operation kingfish where price was captured
ye, price covered for them, and then he got captured, sent to the gulag, and the rest is history
And Nikolai is trusted because he's an informative for SAS plus SAS and the USMC had a joint operation together
Wasn’t Sandman and Metal Team at Operation Kingfish? And Price sacrificed himself to save the rest of the team. They’ve worked together in the past and have a lot of trust in each other.
to be fair, it was a fan made shorts, so it wasn't technically canon
@@iareanoob2277 Cod themselves posted that short film so its canon
@@iareanoob2277 It's cannon because that was the mission that led to Price being captured by the russians and thrown into the gulag until they broke him out in MW2(2009), and yea its true COD themselves had the film made.
if you know your cod history, Price and metal zeroes did a mission before the events of cod mw2. This was not in any game as it is sort of a mini movie. This mission is where price get's captured hence he became prisoner 627. Metal Zeroes knew Capt price and they believe the guy as innocent
I try to pay attention to the plot in games and I thought about this too. My personal theory was that Price had such an amazing record that, while officially he was on everyone's shit-list, unofficially he still had some friends around the world at best and people were skeptical and cautious at worst, but nobody really wanted to track and kill Captain Price himself. Also proving he was still on the US/NATO's side throughout the story with the missions he and the 141 undertake, it wouldn't be difficult for Sandman to know something wasn't right with the Shepherd situation. And to be fair, it's world war 3, even if Sandman and Overlord were skeptical of Price, they would require all the help they could get and Price provided them with a lot during the game, like for example the Berlin tip or Volk's connection to Makarov
The old mw series was a master class in story telling. If only cod could make one as good as that anymore.
Interesting that Overlord would do things under the table given that he's a very high officer, you don't see this often.
It’s war; the rules go out the window. During World War II, the War Department worked closely with the Italian mafia to prepare for the invasion of Sicily (and then Italy proper) while also getting them to help secure American shipyards against German spies. It was truly all hands on deck, and a lot of plea deals were made and criminals let off in the name of shortening the war.
Honestly this was the mission that made me love Modern Warfare 3. I remember playing this game nearly a decade ago, getting to this mission and it really stuck with me, that in the game there is no way to save them. This was the game that changed people's perspectives on war, the previous COD games portrayed war as this exhilarating moment to prove loyalty to your country and made it seem like a one-man team was fully possible, but when you reach this mission you realize that it's the opposite. War is hell, not everyone get's to live. You will watch your friends die, you will see carnage, and you have no hopes in changing that outcome. It makes you step back and think about how just fucked up war really is.
WAW already did that when you couldn't save Sullivan and Chernov or when you had to save Polonky or Roebuck.
Another interesting fact Price informed sandman about Volk being Makarov bomb maker and that his location is in Paris so he basically confirm the intelligence for that major operation. And after that operation took place Sandman informed Price about the meeting with Makarov in Prague saying we have tier 1 teams assigned to handle this but they're not going to make it in time but you're close. Price simple responded with very and I'll contact you when it's done. And one final thing Price had a cade to call Sandman, That being access code Black Viking which guaranteed him secure line to asset Metal 0-1 = Sandman
4:28 the pain in his voice & our heart 💔
So...why would delta sacrifice themselves? As a tier 1 special missions unit, which is also based on the SAS...who price was with as well as ghost and soap...
Delta knows that the mission always comes first and the objective is priority 1. That means doing whatever it takes to complete the mission even if it means ensuring others make it. Hence...the sacrifice of sandman, Grinch, truck helping tf141 save the Russian President and ending ww3.
Crazy to think that this kinda shit happens in real life..not blinking even in the face of death...real MEN
Hopefully you can keep up old man.
Never noticed how Overlord addressed Price as Sandman
This is shoot and run game like typical FPS, but until now I didn't realize it had its own plot and lore. It connects the dots on what's going on the game story wise
I want mw3 remastered campaign release now
Honestly, what sandman did was kinda payback to what happened during kingfish when price stayed behind
These details (which were supposedly open especially every briefing) are resurfaced again, thanks again for this vod.
And i dropped one ofc
I mean at least Frost is alive and probably was there of the Spec Ops missions are canon.
Also have to remember that there are small oversights like this with this game in general. MW3s production was held up due to the legal issues going on with IW and sledgehammer at the time which means they had to release the game as polished as they could. They did a fantastic job with everything either way no doubt
Damn man one of the best even compelling mission you can ever remember.
Sandman’s last thought we’re probably “this time, this time I won’t fail to save you”
Crazy, I didnt know that.
Yeah the people who went on the Operation Kingfish mission were
Delta Force:
Sandman
Frost
Taskforce 141:
Price
Soap
Roach
Ghost
Sandman trusts price and price would have a s**t ton of convincing to make sure Sandman still trusts price
In ever even noticed that dang 🤣 props to Nikolai & Overlord for being the middlemen
This game needs the remaster treatment that the other two MW games got. I'd love to play it in a remastered state
but no with this terrible muffled sounds from latest remasters :( new cods sounds like shit or cartoon honestly
Literally a promo vid that shows sandman was working with 141 to hunt makarov
A little bit of trivia on the briefing cutscene for Down The Rabbit Hole: because Task Force 141 was disavowed until after the Russian president's rescue, one of the imaging screens show the SAS emblem next to the Delta one instead. It may or may not be intentional but i'm guessing that it was done by someone up top to prevent people from getting the wrong idea.
they really need to redo the final sandman mission and just let us play as 1 of the 3 down there till the end make it a whole ass movie event
Rest in peace
Sandman 🕊️🕊️ 🌹
3:00 i cried when i seen this 😢
Everyone that ever helped or aided TF141 either died for the cause of the cause or the good of the world. Rest in Peace to the fallen heros 🕊🖤
Grinch had the best weapons.
if you know your cod history, Price and metal zeroes did a mission before the events of cod mw2. This was not in any game as it is sort of a mini movie. This mission is where price get's captured hence he became prisoner 627. Metal Zeroes knew Capt price and they believe the guy as innocent
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Always wondered where Frost was during that mission in the diamond mine
There's a DLC Spec Ops mission "Black Ice" you are playing as Frost in that mission.
The fact we never saw sandman or delta in the new modern warfare really sucks
It's sad to be price because everytine he survives another mate dies. No wonder why the moment he killed makarov he had a cigarette.
Im pretty sure they were reavowed a mission or so before this
Because its a joint operation
They worked together in the past to try and kill makarov beforehand
i havent replayed "Down The Hole" but could it be that Overlord not responding to Price directly so that there will be no record of them being there because "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" because TF141 still have a bad rep.
Sandman's team and Overlord could vouch for him but the DoD still doesnt trust TF141 after allegedly betraying them by killing Shepherd. Price also told Nikolai to call the Americans and probably said Nikolai was a traitor to Makarov so the mission could be given the green light easier.
imagine if that knife hit the back of it instead
Wait overload but price said that not sandman.....
It’s clearly referenced in the cutscenes that Delta will take credit and TF141 will be kept anonymous, I guess overlord knew TF141 and was not convinced they went rouge so it’s very likely all the intel Sandman got was privately shared to him and kept anonymous with cover story of Delta finding “documents” that corroborated their intel.
Because TF141 is based of a real group called TF145 that was delta and sas guys
Just watch Operation Kingfish: Find Makarov. All the answers about Price and Sandman are there.
They had the same contact and the same goals, that’s why they worked together… the REAL question to ask is how did Alex Mason kill JFK the same week he was on a black op deep in Kazakhstan (that went sideways) in less than 5 days?
I still dont get it why sandman and his team need to die here. I mean they can get into the chopper asap while still covering fire.
No time for rescue them too
As i remember, there was a short clip here in yt, namely, operation kingfish, where SAS and delta force team up in finding makarov. I think that's when Price and soap first worked with the Delta guys
th-cam.com/video/afs8lcfBY7Q/w-d-xo.htmlsi=DMe5Perus75f-GVc
Wait, was Alexi's name green? Why was that the case?
Sad story indeed
They worked on an op in the past Named Kingfish where Soap Price Sandman where tasked to capture Makarov
Its a infact a short film you can look up on yt as promotion
why didn t alexi name is red ? is he on undercover or something
i mean red
Delta Force are TRUE heroes! My GOATES!
4:03
Because the NATO alliance has joint operations between member nations
The NATO does not cooperate with criminals+Yuri is Russian (a country that hates the NATO)
I'm early af, hello
Price lost everybody...