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- Why didn't Frost come to this mission? - Call of Duty MW3
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Frost was actually planned for this mission cause in the game files, there’s unused dialogue of Price talking to him directly
yea
Where can I find those dialogues?
What does he say
@@tomaxxghost6891 in Game archives
@@MOJO_JOJO701 accdg to the wiki, Price yells “Westbrook” and “Frost”
Frost got the "don't come to school tomorrow" by someone on the team and survived like that 💀
Grinch must have told him that. It pays to be the quiet kid.
He is the one who didn't come to school and a school shooting happened.
Makarov was like: I like you Frost don’t come to school tomorrow.
Basically Jackson, Ramirez, Frost, AC-130 gunner, astronaut in MW2, Sgt. Burn are NPC alike but they are playable
Roach
NPC means - Non-Player Character.
How does that make sense?
@@saidmass2 nah it mean non playable character
@@ZimX63 Google it
@@saidmass2 it's non playable character bro. If it's a non player character, then we the player still can play as the character. It will like the gta v character select wheel but with npcs instead
As you stated before, Frost's callsign is Metal-04, which is said by Overlord in the Spec Ops mission, so Theory 2 is the most likely theory why Frost is absent in Down the Rabbit Hole
Yeah it sounds plausible to me, cause as Price, Sandman and the others get out with the president, self destructing the mine would make it harder for anyone to track them down from there, and might eliminate any high value targets that they are or aren’t aware of. Plus it’d be harder for the ultranationalists to report what happened.
I mean there is a Spec Ops mission based on this level many people say its Frost considering that mission too takes place in This same level
@@tarheelpro87 theory 2 would be impossible since price would have to be in both the mission frost was missing in and the one he would be doing? therefore theory 2 gets debunked by itself
No, he was in a control room somewhere in the building, he's the one who caused the explosions at the end of the mission
In special ops overlord said metal 04 and that was Frost’s callsign
Frost should have been a playable character on this mission and Yuri should have appeared as NPC, since he already appearce as NPC in Dust To Dust and is generally more pronounced character. This would also gave Yuri more time to be shown as full character, since in MW trilogy characters are presented in more limited, narrow way when playable.
Would of made the end 10x more sad, a Delta being forced th o watch his bro th hers die
@@Rinde007 Or maybe even doing a last stand with your squad
@@reginaldcopperbottom468 At the end of the mission if you would play as frost: *New objective: buy time for the chopper* Then just you replaying that mission if it would be like this, you would say „It’s been an honour boys. 🫡 „
@CT--6666 Or the objective would be "protect yuri" since the former spetsnaz member gets incapacitated temporarily and then truck and price drag yuri to the chopper.
Metal 0-4 is the callsign of Frost, so Frost really impact "Down the rabbit hole" mission. It's a detail, but a nice one for who like the story of this trilogy (like me).
I did not understand a single thing
what?
Oh no, where's godzilla
If you look closely on New York and Berlin mission, Metal team/squad led by Sandman has a number after the callsign. Sandman = Metal 0-1 (Zero-One, means leader), Truck = Metal 0-2 (Zero-Two), Grinch = Metal 0-3 (Zero-Three), and Frost = Metal 0-4 (Zero-Four).
In the video, Metal 0-4 is mentioned by overlord with it's order to blow up the mine, or some part of it.
@@muhammadrayhanfirdaus1309 If frost was ordered to blow up the mine, why can't overlord tell him to blow up the mine after the president and everyone with him get out.
2:39 if this is canon, it’s possible that the team planned to destroy the mine but didn’t expect the to nearly get overrun by the end
That’s what I’m thinking, hence Delta Squad sacrificing themselves. There were just too many people.
and this canon to where he was i don't remember where i saw it was said
@@Nomad958shut UP look tô u pfp
(Not so) Short answer:
Jackson, Roach, Ramirez and Frost aren't characters. They're player vehicles to get you through the missions. The devs didn't write their personality because there isn't any. IW said that they wanted player to experience the story without taking part into it, which I personally think it's done very poorly as it leads to awkward moments where the player has to speak and they just stay silent (BF4 did the same and its MUCH worse). There were rare exclusions to that rule with Price at the end of MW3 and Yuri as he is actually a character yet you play as him and yet they still chose to keep him silent besides the flashback level. That kind of creative inconsistency looks bad.
Long answer?
[Insert Fan Theory Here]
Hey SPi, nice seeing u here
I think its great idea beacause The player connect with The charakter and feels like he is the soldier
When I played the game for first time, it made me feel the story more and I liked it
In the new cods like mw2 2022 you are playing with character with personality and I didn't enjoyed the camping that much
(Sorry for my bad english)
Btw big fan of your custom camping
That's the one theory I believe in as well...
So they were not characters at all? It's weird, I feel like in all these missions, I was Reznov talking to Mason (in the missions after the prison break), but they brought the Roach character in COD MOBILE, so if he's not a character, he shouldn't be there as a character, right? (The answer was also short :)
@@alphacodyt technically he is character but with no personality.
I didn't played black ops so I don't know how it work there
It's rather ironic seeing Yuri is silent throughout the time we play as him (except flashback), only for him to get a full fledged model and stuff in the final mission.
What I wanna say is, IW simply could've allowed us to play as Frost in this level, with Yuri beside us, behaving like he did in Dust to Dust. It wouldn't have been much of a hassle for the Dev's, and would've fit the scenario perfectly.
He actually said a few things in the intro of some missions.
Mission: "Back on the Grid"
*Soap:* _"So where do we start hunting?"_
*Yuri:* _"Africa. Makarov's been using local paramilitary force to move shipment into Sierra Leone. From there, they go towards Morocco. And into Spain."_
*Soap:* _"He's moving North."_
*Price:* _"Right towards Her Majesty's doorstep. What's the cargo?"_
*Yuri:* _"I don't know, but it's important to him."_
*Price:* _"Then I want it."_
Mission: "Eye of the Storm"
*Yuri:* _"Makarov's council altogether in the middle of a warzone? Sounds convenient."_
*Price:* _"Overconfidence makes you careless."_
Mission: "Blood Brothers"
*Soap:* _"Which vehicle will he be in?"_
*Yuri:* _"They constantly rotate their security. We won't know until he steps out."_
*Soap:* _"You seem to know a lot about Makarov."_
@@Take-aim-and-reload... yes but he dont talk when you playing as hım, i see that nice thing with mason, Alex mason .. "reloading" enemy down" cover me im reloading" "grenade out" . Things like that so.
The issue lies with the fact that Yuri was injured in Down the Rabbit Hole and had to be dragged to the chopper. Playing as Frost, you would have had your back to him, and wouldn't see the last stand of Metal Team in the same way.
@@cottoneyejoe8285 then give him the Yuri treatment. Same mission, same playable character but now Frost is the fourth member of team Metal in the mission and doesn't die in the elevator crash, voice lines and all. I think they could have just used one of the multiplayer voices and tell the actor to record a few extra lines if it was needed for his character (which I doubt)
That explosion at the end of black ice was a small explosion and wasnt the reason sandman died, if you actually watch the end of dtrh the explosions are coming from helicopters, so if frost was in black ice he didnt kill them.
also he could be the guy shutting down the aa guns in fire mission
Yea people tend to say frost killed his team but tbh the explosions weren't the reason sure yuri got injured and price had to evac him but the rest of J-SOC Delta stayed behind to cover the bird ( helicopter)
He would be KIA with the rest of the team. After the Hamburg mission (Rhino 1 and the Vice President Hostage Rescue), he was promoted to Captain Rank and led his own seperate unit in the Delta Force, similar to Sandman.
our boi got his own team:]
Sgt to Captain yea sure lol
@@pounc3r782 literally, battlefield commissions start at lieutenant
He took part in rescuing Alena, we can see his POV in the "Down the Rabbit Hole" (I think) Spec ops mission where he is the one to set the charges to the cave system, he even is referred to by his callsign "Metal-04"
I Thought Only NCOs Were On The Field For Delta Force
There are 2 theories:
Theory 1 (before looking up spec ops mission black ice):
Frost was injured while trying to rescue Alena. He is likely to have sustained rib damage or cracks which could have caused him to be unfit to continue the mission and is either hospitalized or providing off-site assistance with overlord (through internal radio) but we “the player” don’t hear.
Theory 2 (spec ops black ice mission):
His injuries were minor and with his actions throughout the war, he is promoted to be a delta squad leader and goes through black ice per mission gameplay.
I always figured that being on the wrong end of a door-breach while rescuing Alena would've injured him severely enough; Sandman is clearly shown landing on Frost's leg, and 250+ pounds of soldier and kit landing on your leg that way definitely isn't going to do that leg any favors
If you ask me frost was riding around the mine in a snow mobile and was on a different part of the map
Finally some braincells
aint that what was in the video
Not just above ground either, when he arrived underground he added tires and terrorized the reinforcements too.
@@aurorialgaming1935Thats my boy 🥲
Mw3’s campaign is so much like an action movie. I like to imagine if it was there would he a scene of Team metal, Frost and tf141 all setting out on a helipad. Frost walks up to price or Sandman and says “give em hell” before walking to his new squad
And his squad has like mg’s, rpg’s and what-not
I think every cod game needs to have heavy skill based matchmaking. To even out the gameplay.
Yes, it would be great
Yes, Ramirez too
Same, maybe Ramirez too as one of the Vaqueros
I feel Alex us sandman
@@alphacodyt I could see them extending the story into more games. MW3 and MW4. I really enjoyed Metal Team and I just found it odd. Whenever we’ve had a chopper there has been a door mounted minigun. If there had been one of those then Metal team would’ve survived.
That spec ops tie in blew my mind honestly you might be on to something there I never thought about it that way. I have always felt the spec ops missions were connected to the main story in some elusive way. Very excellent video!
I think Frost did kill his teamates, seeing as Overlord names "Metal 0-4" which was Frosts callsign. Also because of how often they tie the main story to the spec ops in this game.
Metal 0-4 would be the callsign for the 4th element in the team, not unique to Frost himself. So Team Metal would have Metal 0-1 through 0-4, regardless of who the individual element is
@Bean Martin VEVO except Cod did it as first number = squad, second number = individual. That's why Price is Bravo 0-6 in the new games. Even on a loading screen you can see that despite being 1 squad, every member of MW3s Delta team has different call signs. Sandman is 0-1, Grinch is 0-2, Truck 0-3, and Frost 0-4.
@@knightmare1267 The loading screen has them listed all as Metal zero 1 through 4. Metal 0-4 is only Frost's callsign because he is the 4th member of the team. If he was moved to a different team and someone else took his place, Frost doesn't take that callsign with him, the new person's callsign is becomes Metal 0-4.
I think it was just a oversight by the developers
@@goldenhedgehog9maybe overlord assign him to this mission like he as a juggernaut collecting radioactive sample solo mission
MW3 was a Miracle considering the development.
If they where given the time, my bet is that YURI would have been an NPC and we would have played as Frost in this mission.
I donno why when I was a kid I kinda liked Frost, maybe his missions were fun af, Yuri was still my fav in the cast,
I've always asked myself that question, but man, he definitely deserved some rest after Hamburg. 😂
what happened in Hamburg?
@@ayo_dannithe door blew up on him sandman landed on his leg a whole building fell on him yeah he definitely needs some rest
@@ALXAD3 To be fair bro survived a tank falling through a couple floors
Did you know that we are Frost in a spec ops mission.I don't remember which special ops mission but in the mission Overlord said
"Metal 0-4,Make your way to the stock exchange....." so I think its Frost
Yes, we play as Frost in some Spec Ops missions
@@alphacodyt black ice.
@@alphacodytspec ops are canon,their IS two Of them That are Frost training with The Delta Force
Down the Rabbit hole would've been better if we got to play as Frost.
If we actually changed trough the mission from Frost to Yuri in the middle of the mission
imagine if they could swap perspectives based on a specific part of the mission
@@brixenlang3207 Yup just like the mission "Iron Lady" 2 playable characters and perspectives in one mission
Poor MCcoy hé died so quickly
Hes probably just a DCcoy. Get it? Decoy? You know.... Yeah this one is bad
Tobey Maguire
Wow that was bad 😂
Poor man didn't even make it out of the elevator
Bro only had 1 line too 😂
Imagine this
Frost is înjured and waits for his Delta Team to come back but he sees Price with some dogtags
That would make for a badass cinematic/cutscene.
Yeah but impossible to get those tags
Price come back with Yuri and President without Delta Team
@@babycarrotz32 I know
But lets say someway or alternative cutscene Delta Team give their dogtags to Price (if you ask me making a emotial scene)
@@bigcuz4689 true
It’s probably just because they didn’t want to go through the trouble of giving him a character model and voice actor for one mission, or have the dissonance and weirdness of him being a silent and masked NPC. Honestly it would have made more sense to have Frost be the playable character in this one, with Yuri as the NPC, since Yuri already had a voice actor and NPC model. I like the theories in this video as in universe explanations though, especially theory 2.
Theory 2 is actually canon to the story.
Says who?
@@brawlstarssponsorships Overlord referred to the Operator in Theory 2 as "Metal 0-4" Which is literally Frost's callsign.
@@HazmattMorningstar Not confirmed by the developers though. Lots of spec ops missions are made just for fun.
@@brawlstarssponsorships Since when did developers have to say something was canon for it to be canon? Going by that logic, nothing in any game is canon unless the developers confirmed it, so like are you telling me no campaign missions in Modern warfare 3 are canon because the developers haven't confirmed it? Or that Shepherd didn't really betray us, or that Ghost and Roach never really died. going by that logic these never actually happened because the Developers haven't confirmed it.
@@HazmattMorningstar Ok.
My personal head canon (idk if SpecOps are canon but they might be) is that for some reason, Frost got wounded and couldn't partake. After he recovers and learns that Sandman and the other Delta men sacrificed themselves, Price recruits him as a new member of 141. Maybe he has some issues (having lost Soap, Yuri, Roach, Gaz, and the whole betrayal thing), but Frost is a well-trained ex-Spec Force op and it goes well.
playable characters like frost, Ramirez and roach always treated badly like their existence was ignored😢
I like to think that he stayed top side with everyone else as the joint team went in, but theory wise I would accept this as the reason why if it was 2 player, if it wasn't then frost is more of a beast than all of them doing that by his lonesome.
The second theory is the most accurate for the simple reason that it is a dlc and that it would not make much sense for Frost to disguise himself as pieces for the mission. In conclusion, Frost is one of the few protagonists they Are alive
spec ops isn't dlc. It's litterally part of the games package.
I like to believe he was just WIA in Scorched Earth and couldn't come to the mission. Keep in mind that Frost was apparently providing Overwatch for Kingfish (the long pincer movement that explains why Price was found in a gulag in MW2), so with his absence, Price and Frost are the sole survivors of Kingfish. And who knows, maybe Price just died at the end of MW3 where he's smoking a cigar, and Frost is just the only one left standing.
Don’t forgery Nick too
He was there but who knows.. Hard to say, maybe he wasn't and it is just spec ops mission.. Anyways.. In 2:38 Overlord calls Metal 0-4 and that's Frost which is mentioned in video and that is interesting point.
I think the reason why Frost didn't come to this mission is because he didn't want to die or he is taking care of something a mission before that
Frost killing his team is such a goofy plot twist
This actually reminded me of a thing Delta can do which is opt out of a mission if they're 100% "there". Saw an interview on a podcast of a former Delta guy and that made me think Frost opted out since they were already committing so many assets, they couldn't afford to lose all of Delta.
02:19 ay yo, what is this mission? I have spent hours in cod mw3 spec ops and I never saw this mission.
Spec ops DLC mission
@@star_t1 oh alright, thx
This is the question I’ve always asked and wondered
Me too :)
@@alphacodyt ive been searching for an answer for 10 years i guess cod fans are this braindead that they had nk idea where he was
I would love to see frost reappear in the future with actual voice lines that gave more depth to him
If COD MW2019 was instead a continuation of COD MW3 I always thought Alex being Frost was a cool concept and that his ‘sacrifice’ in the mission Game Over was to make amends for what happened here.
The reason I like Alex being Frost is because lore wise Alex was a Delta Force operator who becomes a CIA agent so it kinda lines up with the hypothetical.
frost and roach are siblings and since i dont think it ever says if alex has brothers while a very cool theroy it just doesnt work yk
@@senseless_yurei9433 Frost and Roach are siblings? I'm interested to know what you mean by this
@@HGJ8Productions According to google (not some fan page more like his profile page) He has two younger brothers named James Ellison, Gary "Roach" Sanderson, and Danny Ellison.
@@senseless_yurei9433 But Roach is british or canadian while Frost is american.
That could be because they are half siblings. We know of real life families that are like that.
Take Bruce Forsyth, the British game show host. His half brother is the Forsyth from Dynasty, an American, and both detested each other, to the point they never spoke after reaching adulthood.
Yet, both were said to be really nice men to interact and talk with.@@weplo1597
Frost was my favorite mw3 character. Playing as frost was just so cool.
same
For me, He's got The essence of Doom Slayer. Always silent, just doing with actions.
The truth is I will you want to play as frost in the campaign and online multiplayer
"Simple" Frost retired from the force.
There was dialogue of price talking to frost in the game files. So Frost was supposed to be in this mission but was cut later in the game’s development
Theory 2 is super cool and dark and makes sense, sending only one person to set the self destruction while there's a war in their backyard is very smart
I always wondered why Frost was not in this mission. Finally, someone made a video on this decade-long question that I have had. I thought it was because he was injured in action.
0:25
Director: Mccoy! You are supposed to be dead!
Mccoy: Okay. (dies)
Poor Mccoy :(
Probably command saw a much better use for frost’s skills, put him on solo to assist TF 141 and delta force, then is told to self destruct the place but does not know it was the wrong timing to set it off
Thats actually a good theory man
Nah in the mission he was told when to plant and destruct it by overlord wasn't frost fault
Finally, a video focusing on Frost. Man is a badass. Also, I think theory 2 is the most plausible hypothesis.
Good Video My Friend!
Thank you very much!
Frost was in this mission, he was in the dlc called black ice, you can play as him while riding a snowmobile, gunning enemies around the rabbit hole, he's basically clearing the path for sandman and price's team, and at the end of the dlc mission, frost pushed a button that made the hole explode, so in short, frost accidentally killed his team.
Didn't watch this video all the way through, did ya?
@@thegageinator805 yes I did, I just put this comment here to make it clear
Most likely, he was W.I.A in scorched earth. Overload would tell frost that the delta team and tf141 would be there, also the fact that overload was also in down the rabbit hole.
Frost was accidentally told the wrong time to rally at the motor pool. The poor dude was waiting there for hours, thinking everyone else was late.
Now i know why frost not come to this mission
Thanks for the information
00:57 why he's name pieces?
02:47 they active the bom is too early, that why diamond mine was explode
So we lost sandman,Grinch, and truck
They should've made Frost playable in the level, but you play as Yuri after the helicopter goes down. And then another spec ops mission sees Frost with the rest of Metal team during the explosions, but after the collapse he wakes up and Truck/ Grinch tells him Sandman and the other teammate is gone, and it becomes a journey to escape the ruins, but the efforts are feeble because a boulder falls onto them after a minute (the level is timed to be 1 minute long after the collapse, like Aftermath in COD4- after you fall from the helicopter the level is on an invisible timer)
Theory 1 is stupid because when Frost was "Injured" He was running and walking perfectly fine.
Theory 2 is actually the correct one.
You can walk when injured, i fractured 2 ribs when i fell of my dad's bike and walked for a while before throwing up and passing out, adrenaline goes hard.
@NastyRodriguez But, cam you keep on running perfectly without limping a bit? I know his Special Forces but it seems impossible for the human body to run perfectly,
It could be just a developer overlook and we are just delving in too deep.
@@radthearchopolist2459 You may have a point there, but it doesn't change the fact Theory 2 is the correct one. It's actually canon to the game.
I always wondered where Ramirez was during the events of MW3 too
like in the 1st mission cutscene you see that the 75th Rangers are still defending the country but there is no cameo of Ramirez in the game
I read online that frost was injured and sss left to recuperate while his team helped price
I love that they all wear the old 141-esq jackets
Not only are they're voice lines in the game files showing Frost was going to be present for Delta Force's final mission but if you look at Yuri's first person model when he jumps over the railing he has Frost's.
In MW3 remastered when First and Sandman breach the door they should make it so Frost gets piece of shrapnel through his leg. That was always my head canon as to why he was suddenly absent. Sure Sandman was in front of him but not only did they get blown back but they also fell through the floor. They could incorporate more of that in the remaster.
He has a reason for being absent though, if you've played spec ops you'd see because he has the task of blowing up the mine. Which is incidentally how the rest of his squad ends up dead
@@Lightning_God_kashimo I have played that mission but it’s questionable on how canon it is and if I remember correctly it was a DLC one. So during the campaign development Frost was likely taken out for other reasons.
I'm a year late, but maybe both theory's could be correct. While he saw metal team get on the helicopter he got dressed in the nearest combat outfit (which is why his outfit in that mission looked like the one in the tank engine) and then sneaked onto hammer 1-6's helicopter and then jumped off
Theory 1 is much more likely. Frost is replaced by a minor character who gets instantly killed off in the mission, and in real life fireteams are always reinforced in the event of a casualty, KIA or WIA. As Frost is also callsigned *_0-4,_* there wouldn't be that much of a problem if he was dead, especially since in the first mission of MW3, he is evidently just a grenadier with the fact he carries an XM25 as a secondary there.
For me, specifically remember that Frost is a staff sergeant, staff sergeant job is to...well be a squad leader, it might as well be that Airborne unit has reassign frost as staff sergeant again after the events of rescuing vice president and the Crashing the hell out of Volk before he bolts. So i assume Frost was at Fort liberty doing a number of paperwork while his Road trip buddies about to die in a siberian Diamond mine! And train a few more Recruit in Delta force, aka Task force green aka CAG!
If Theory 2 is correct, Frost will likely be dealing with the guilt for the rest of his life
Frost being on a seperate mission makes sense, i mean even when Overlord tells you to plant the DSM to initiate the self destruct he uses Frost's call sign (Metal 0-4)
Metal 0-4 is the callsign 4th element in Team Metal, not unique to Frost. If Frost was replaced, the new person would still be called Metal 0-4 and Frost’s callsign would be something else, where ever he was sent to
@@BeanMartinVEVO Yes but that special op takes place at the same time but in a different area of that mine. So hes still a part of Metal team just has different orders, and this being CoD I very much doubt at the time they took the time to know how fireteams actually worked in the military.
There won’t be a theory that Sandman died due to Frost trigger self-destruct sequence, because it was involve in combat cooperation: Sandman was sent to that mine with his mission is save Vorshevsky and his daughter, but in the same operation Frost was sent to mine control center to trigger self destruct sequence, both Frost and Sandman must have informed that Sandman is in a hostage rescue mission deep inside the mine and Frost won’t do it if Sandman team is still inside, of course command won’t authorise Frost to do so, except command order Frost to do that
I dont think that frost was injured because how someone injured from debris from a falling building still act normal like nothing happened like 6 seconds after a damm building falled on his entire squad including him?
Yes, but maybe he used all his strength to continue...
@@alphacodyt makes sense 👍
I always assumed he got injured when the rigged door went off,
Then later got medical care.
I don't wanna think Frost killed Metal team. It was just bad timing between everyone, with the enemy overwhelming the rescue team in the last part.
I hope in Modern Warfare 3 Remastered (if there's going to be ever, or at least MW3 Campaign Remastered), they bring back Frost in Down the Rabbit Hole as NPC, or letting us play as him, and leaving Yuri as NPC.
If they let us play as Frost, Price and Yuri carries us to chopper with the President. Leaving Yuri behind is literally not sensible.
If we stay as Yuri, Frost (I'm sad) should stay behind with Sandman and others, to protect Yuri, Price and the President. Or Frost comes back in Dust to Dust as NPC with different Juggernaut suit (light armored, its visor is similar as his own) and raising hell upon Oasis Hotel with Price and Yuri.
Man, my hands are trembling :D
hope you are well! In my opinion, if they return Frost, the story line may change...
he was planned and probably we will see him on one of early build of MW3 if they exists
Frost was an old informat of shepherds and wanted to get them killed but failed when he separated. He now has disappeared in the world never to be found
i think it's simply just an overlook. COD games involve hundreds and thousands of people working on it and it's easy to forget a minor character.
i dont think a playable character who player stick with half of the game can be called "minor"
They didn't forget the SAS guys from COD4 during the SAS mission in MW3, they wouldn't forget Frost, if he isn't in the mission there must be a good reason for it.
In a game i played as a kid one dev forgot a person in the game so it's possible
@@ssww3 different scenarios.
@@prizrak-br3332hes apparently in the spec ops mission that takes place on the same level
I imagine Frost would feel so bad about himself and feel guilty when he learns that he unintentionally killed his allies when he hit the self destruct button.
Also on a another note, why do the Inner Circle have a self destruct button? Did they get it from Dr Doofenshmirtz?
Probably because they knew that some day they would be overrun by some army of the government, and they prepared it to kill as many enemies as they could to escape to a new direction
But then the "minor" assault of the 144 and the Delta force taked place by surprise, they dint have time to organize a retreat or something and the self destruction was activated, killing and destroying the vast majority of the Makarov Army
Really, Doofinsmirth?😂😂😂
Glade to see I am not the only one who wondered this since 2011. Yeah it's a real mystery why the devs decided to not add Frost in this mission, a real shame, always wanted him to be in it.
On the bright side, Frost got to live. Also, I never got to play this spec ops mission so this is my first time knowing it's real content. I had zero chances to connect the dots.
Edit:
3:16 Also, as much it is a memorable and beautiful scene, it IS incredibly ridiculous how not a single enemy shot nor an RPG hit them (except for Sandman in his neck).
I always thought it was the same mission at the same time and Frost was clearing a secondary objective
Yooooo I always wondered where the hell was Frost in that mission, those memories of playing the Modern Warfare trilogy in my PS3 just came flooding in.
I heard back in those years that as result of Frost heroic actions in prevoius missions he was given the command of another delta squad and that's the reason why he is not there.
Now that I think about it there was another theory (althought I'm sure this one is completely fake but interesting anyway) that said that originaly there was a MW4 game planned where Price would create another TF141 with McMillan taking the place of Sheperd and including characters like Nikolai, Frost, Dunn, Foley, Ramirez, Burns and Walcott
That could have been insane,but i BET That if it happened,sgt Foley and cpl Dunn sacrificed there lives for Ramirez, Then there would be another final stand with the tf141 were Frost planted bombs under a bridge ( where the last stand will happen) telling Price to leave him behind and dies while Price gets Flashbacks Of his Friends been killed😢
Ngl everytime i hear Overlord speak, i get a wave of nostalgia
My headcanon:
Frost was injured by the blast at the end of Scorched Earth (the very last scene when you try to breach the last room, but baddies blow the door in your face and fly off with the girl). Stunned and bleeding from the numerous wounds caused by wooden splinters (exploding doors are not fun), Frost insisted he was good to go just to stay with his team. Sandman had to give him a direct order to seek medical help.
With Frost in the hospital, Sandman had to bring a replacement for Metal 0-4 (Sgt. McCoy who dies in the elevator during "Down the Rabbit Hole"). It is likely Frost did not know about the mission and only got to know about it later from the news. From another source, he then learned about Team Metal's fate, thus causing an immense survivor's guilt and a serious case of PTSD.
For his exploits, Frost was highly decorated. But in the spec ops community, while highly respected, he never achieved the same near-mythical reputation as Sandman, Grinch, and Truck that went out in the blaze of glory, holding the line. For the rest of his long and accomplished career, Frost was burdened with regret over leaving his team.
The wiki for Frost actually mentions the special op with Metal-04 but it’s up for speculation whether it’s canon.
I always said if they did mw4 it would be price and frost as survivors dealing with losing their teams
0:48 my man be looking frosty 🥶🥶🥶
If you keep looking down there you can see sandman and grinch both due then truck throws a grenade and he turns back and he doesn't see any of the evac heli and idk what happend after
he did call him metal 0-4, and thats Frost Callsign 2:37
Not all of us have the 2011 Modern Warfare Secret Spec Ops DLC
I just now read about frost, he is alive, because he didn't took part in that mission where whole team dies
Had I been involved with making the game, Frost would either be an NPC helping Team Metal, or the playable character involved in the final stand as Price and Yuri get the president to the chopper.
Imagine Frost working with Price and Yuri in Dust to Dust
What a massive dissapoint, he shouldve been there end of discussion theres no "Muh black ice" he should have been there, period.
Fr or at least show frost in a heli coming down after black ice
"i didn't read the script so i'm gonna self destruct the mine myself!" -Literally frost after he didn't read the script
Derek was in that mission, just working behind the scenes under a different mission codenamed: “Black Ice”, where he destroyed the mine. There’s no other canonical theory of why the mine exploded besides the mission “Black Ice”.
In 2:16 theory 2 - When frost is alone because he was absent from the "Down the rabbit hole"
And in second vids, frost was in tunnel as the overload asked him to put C4 plant in "self destruct" to cause "Sandman and his team USMC"
But sandman sacrifice himself and his team to captain price and Yuri
So let's go back to frost, So the pipe have explode with small then he decide to escape by going to helicopter...
As a I kid I kept looking for him because he was my favorite to play
I always assumed he just got injured and couldn’t participate being he went through a lot in scorched earth, because the spec ops are alternative missions based on the campaign.
Omg finally, these are the real questions and I must know the answers.
I Love Frost I hope they add more background to him in MW3 Remastered.
frost probably had some vacation time saved up
I always thought it would have made more sense to play as Frost in this mission, since Yuri isn’t the playable character in the next mission anyway. Would’ve been better for continuity. The deaths of Sandman and the others would have been slightly more impactful if you, as Frost, survived and had to witness their deaths.
Fun fact in the elevator sometimes mccoy would have a changed model and name and u can get the model of frost and even his name u can keep restarting for it to happen because it happened to me
I think theory no. 2 has the most sense.
Frost Is technically the same of the 2 charachters in the special missions
I heard that frost is there during that mission “Down the rabbit hole” but the issue is that he is the one who causes the death of Grinch, sandman and truck since the mission he is on there is started in spec ops
Frost knew what's about to happened so he bailed out and wait outside
They should've added him and had him (you) escort the president personally (as in you have one arm on him, pushing him to the helo as you shoot at the enemy behind you) and Sandman says something like "Frost, stay with the president. Protect him at all costs. Do NOT leave his side" and then he turns to fight with Grinch and Truck as you get on the helo with the Prez.