What is the torque on the Engine Pro and EP-2 Pro? On the manufacturer's website, both have 55 N.m. Elsewhere the EP-2 Pro is reported to have 80Nm and has a planetary gear and the Engine Pro only 55Nm and has no planetary gear but direct drive. So how is it right?
Great video. Love these, but ended up going with the Engwe C20 Pro 500w. Getting 30mph and lighter bike for much less money sounded good to me. Have you tried that one out?
So the speed difference between the two bikes with GPS is only 1mph, but with the speedometer it is 5mph. Methinks that Engwe have fiddled with the speedometer of the engine pro to make it look faster than it actually is.
I'm unsure. It feels quite a bit faster than the ep-2. I haven't looked into how gps calculates exact speed but I'm wondering if over short distances they aren't as accurate as youtubers tend to believe.
@@e-VRC I've seen youtubers claim GPS speeds with bikes that do not have the motor or battery to do them. Like 38mph with a 750 and 48volt on a 70+ lb bike.
@@e-VRCyou have to change the wheel size. It May say 24 inch as default and you May have 22 inch. Change it and you Will get more precise. In app or settings
I've just read the laws in the UK state that you can't use an ebike with a motor bigger than 250w or one that with propel you above 15mph without pedal assist. So what's the point of these if we can't legally ride them. So frustrating
Register as a moped and put on plates if worried about law. Should be okay using off road. Otherwise limit the speed to 25kmph and you'll probably be okay
or just ride them and put a 250w motor licence label on if police stop you show them that and it will be all good thats what i do but only got stopped once within like 2 years so
Really good videos thanks for doing these. I was about to get the Engine Pro but realised that it has a thumb throttle which I don't really like to be honest. As you have both I was wondering if you knew if it was possible to swap to a twist throttle on the Engine Pro? Also at the end of the video, you mentioned a few Issues with the Engine Pro, I was wondering if they are major enough Issues not to buy one over the EP-2 Pro? thanks for all your help
Yeah you should be able to swap to a twist. I agree i prefer the twist throttle but thumb isn't a deal breaker for me.... as for issues it's little things like having to bend the fender arms (see the components comparison video), the pedal crank arms are on backwards, the paint chipped a little too easily. Little quality control issues like that. But overall the bike is great.
I'd say the value is equal and the increase in price is appropriate for the extra stuff so it just depends if you want them. For example i love the hydraulic brakes but I could get by without them same with chunky kick stand and better gears. Range and speed are the main things. I did a side by side comparison video so you can see all the aesthetic differences
If you get the international version you shouldn't pay any extra tax compared to getting the standard version. Usually any extra taxes we have to pay due to us being in the UK are in the delivery costs or already accounted for in the displayed price.
Hello, a very good test of these bikes in your performance. However, I have a question, I bought the Engwe 750 pro bike and I see that you have a similar problem to my buzzing fenders. You have an idea how to silence them
I do want the Engwe Engine Pro (once I've sold a kidney of course), but twist and go ebikes aren't legal as they're classed as a motorbike...bloody UK laws.
@@richardajoy79 Fingers crossed! Thing is throttles are allowed but only to 6mph. I wish ebike manufacturers would stop putting the power on their motors and give us a quick 'legal reset' button that limits speed to 15.5mph and throttle speed to 6.
@@e-VRC thank you very much mate, helmet looks really cool, might buy in the future, what size did you get for your head? Unsure what size I should get?
Have you had any trouble with police? i know these bikes arent legal in uk or ireland without light moped license, i get paranoid i will get stopped one of these days
Not yet. I feel ok on a bike as long as I'm not being dangerous since there are legal ebikes. I feel much more paranoid on a scooter but even then i think they're generally ok with you as long as you're being sensible. Of course this can always depend on the individual.
still slow for a 750 w motor , i get 29 mph on my 250 w motor on plane ,i do have a 350 w beast controller but i exspected a little more from a 750 w motor ......
@@e-VRC it should be much faster ,but you are correct 29 mph is fast for 250w motor ,i do have a beast controller,i guess thats the reason the bike can get to it ,and it maintain the high speed even on stipp hills...
@@donce666 definitely. I wouldn't wear that black one if I had an actual motorcycle but I think it's more protective than the usual bike helmet. I'm sure protection is fine but the mouth bit is flimsy, missing screws and the padding isn't the best looking. It feels fine though.
Did you read the story about Mate bikes being took to court by the DVSA for none compliant ebikes IE there 750w models.The judge found them guilty and as a consequence they have been fined and ordered to recall all such none compliant ebikes.Me thinks that there will be a crack down coming on such none compliant ebikes.
A guy in Hereford got caught on a 750w ebike and got 6 penalty points on his car licence for no insurance. These bikes are cheap for a reason, far better spending more on a quality legal ebike with high torque.
The bikes are not illegal to sell, only illegal to use on UK roads. They can be used on private land. Its the purchaser that decides how they use it not the manufacturer.
@Mange2 Wrong, the bikes, as they are over 250w are illegal to use on UK roads, cycleways, towpaths, riverbanks, footpaths or anywhere else that isn't private land owned by you or private land you have permission from the owner to use.
I recently ordered the EP-2 Pro due to my 125 cc front suspension crapping out on me. Then I found out about the laws regarding E-Bikes and how retarded they are. So now I have had to cancel my order and look at fixing my bike. Good job UK government /s
That's why I went with the ADO A20F+ International Version 500W it's stamped 250w on the hub and can turn the throttle on and off so its fully UK road legal with throttle turned off according to the place I got it from.
Yeah the ebike laws suck here. But I am happy that their legal in some form unlike escooters (apart from rentals). That way at least you aren't an obvious target on one. Ado have the right idea when it comes to... 'blending in' 😂
@@boredalchemist That's a patently false statement considering the number of people that are getting done for having no insurance or having a license, riding bikes over 250w. Forgive me for not wanting to play Russian roulette with my license.
@@e-VRC Yes even though its fairly low risk being stopped on a e-bike there will always be that one time where you do get stopped by a cop that knows all about e-bikes and WILL give you a ticket for no insurance as a 750w is classed as an e-moped, yes its a pity our government are so dumb when it comes to e-scooters in many towns now the police are clamping down on them, the only way would be to paint you e-scooter in the same colour as the rentals 🤣🤣
If you search the value from down to earth viewpoint, pro-2 is better of course. Let's say I considered how fast I arrive from my home to my work place, 44 km (27 miles) if I have some problem with my car. So the conclusion is, that for 400€ , I win 2-3 miles over?Or 5 minutes shorter time on this distance? Plus those useless hydro suspension which ad and the weight and expenditures to keep them up in proper condition. The game is not worth of candles, gentlemen...👎😕
Hi. Please tell me which star is in front on the PRO and on the EP-2 PRO. How many teeth.
What is the torque on the Engine Pro and EP-2 Pro? On the manufacturer's website, both have 55 N.m. Elsewhere the EP-2 Pro is reported to have 80Nm and has a planetary gear and the Engine Pro only 55Nm and has no planetary gear but direct drive. So how is it right?
Realmente é bem estranho... e ele não responde a sua dúvida
Great video. Love these, but ended up going with the Engwe C20 Pro 500w. Getting 30mph and lighter bike for much less money sounded good to me. Have you tried that one out?
Thanks! My latest video was of the 250w c20 pro. Nice bike and looks amazing. Enjoy it 👍
Easy to unlock?
Engine Pro has nearly 40% more amps so it accelerates much quicker.
So the speed difference between the two bikes with GPS is only 1mph, but with the speedometer it is 5mph. Methinks that Engwe have fiddled with the speedometer of the engine pro to make it look faster than it actually is.
I'm unsure. It feels quite a bit faster than the ep-2. I haven't looked into how gps calculates exact speed but I'm wondering if over short distances they aren't as accurate as youtubers tend to believe.
@@e-VRC I've seen youtubers claim GPS speeds with bikes that do not have the motor or battery to do them. Like 38mph with a 750 and 48volt on a 70+ lb bike.
@@Docinaplane i do wonder how accurate gps is over short 'speed test' distances
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@@e-VRCyou have to change the wheel size. It May say 24 inch as default and you May have 22 inch. Change it and you Will get more precise. In app or settings
Where you get that helmet ? the one in your link doesnt look the same, just got the Engine Pro and love it
He got his from Aliexpress. They're not very good. Better quality and design can be had in the Shark Street Drak helmet.
I've just read the laws in the UK state that you can't use an ebike with a motor bigger than 250w or one that with propel you above 15mph without pedal assist. So what's the point of these if we can't legally ride them. So frustrating
Register as a moped and put on plates if worried about law. Should be okay using off road. Otherwise limit the speed to 25kmph and you'll probably be okay
or just ride them and put a 250w motor licence label on if police stop you show them that and it will be all good thats what i do but only got stopped once within like 2 years so
Really good videos thanks for doing these. I was about to get the Engine Pro but realised that it has a thumb throttle which I don't really like to be honest. As you have both I was wondering if you knew if it was possible to swap to a twist throttle on the Engine Pro? Also at the end of the video, you mentioned a few Issues with the Engine Pro, I was wondering if they are major enough Issues not to buy one over the EP-2 Pro? thanks for all your help
Yeah you should be able to swap to a twist. I agree i prefer the twist throttle but thumb isn't a deal breaker for me.... as for issues it's little things like having to bend the fender arms (see the components comparison video), the pedal crank arms are on backwards, the paint chipped a little too easily. Little quality control issues like that. But overall the bike is great.
Acelerador da ENGINE PRO é horrível... não gostei... pra piorar fica do lado esquerdo
Looking for a folding ebike, would you reckon the ep2pro is the best value for money at the moment? Cheers
Of the ones I've tried ep2 pro is amazing value.
@@e-VRC Is there anywhere in the west midlands you can view these bikes?
what helmet did you use on this video ??
my friend bought the ep2pro but it only goes 25 kmh when it says 42 kmh on the website
You need to unlock the speed
@@sahelmoreira6245 we figured it out but thanks
should change the amp settings to 25 in them both and see
Is that sound that the bike make after braking normal?
But which would you choose for value?
Is the engine pro worth the extra lolly?
I'd say the value is equal and the increase in price is appropriate for the extra stuff so it just depends if you want them. For example i love the hydraulic brakes but I could get by without them same with chunky kick stand and better gears. Range and speed are the main things.
I did a side by side comparison video so you can see all the aesthetic differences
Thank you young man
@@e-VRC but what is then like a better option? What should I choose?
@@basbeen3957 which did you choose im at the same crossroads
I'm on the Engwe website, I live in the U.K., do I order the International version to get the 750W motor? Will I pay import tax?
If you get the international version you shouldn't pay any extra tax compared to getting the standard version. Usually any extra taxes we have to pay due to us being in the UK are in the delivery costs or already accounted for in the displayed price.
Hello, a very good test of these bikes in your performance. However, I have a question, I bought the Engwe 750 pro bike and I see that you have a similar problem to my buzzing fenders. You have an idea how to silence them
Is it the rattling? I haven't tried to fix it but other people have said they just tightened everything up.
I put black rubber straws on the side silver thingy and tighten up screws a bit extra so it’s very quiet now.
How did you male the ep2pro og so fast mine only gode 27 mph
I only got 27 on the flat. I got more when i pedalled as fast as I could and it was slightly down hill.
Flat road
25 kmh
Without paddling
How many kilometres can go with engine pro ?
100km
so i wonder if the Engwe EP-2 Pro is legal if i max it at 25.
Did you manage to find anywhere that sells Engwe on a Cycle to work Scheme?
pogo cycles Tom , just got a quote from them
Is there a cooldown after you max out the throttle nonstop?
@@krisjaniscukermanis3120 doesn't seem to be. I've had throttle full over quite long distances.
I just ordered an ep2 pro if it's 500 peaking at 750 I'm gonna be very pissed.
its 500w peaking at 750w but its still fast but i sold mine.
What hat do you wear //recommend etc? Especially for uk weather lol.
Water proof jacket over a jumper and warm trousers. Obviously a helmet and padded stuff is always worth it just in case.
What is the app called?
Which bike is better engwe pro 2 or engwe pro?
Engine pro
I do want the Engwe Engine Pro (once I've sold a kidney of course), but twist and go ebikes aren't legal as they're classed as a motorbike...bloody UK laws.
Annoying isn't it. Especially as throttle gives way more safe control than standard pedal assist
@@e-VRC , hopefully the UK lawmakers wont stay stuck in the past for too long. I personally prefer thumb throttles.
@@richardajoy79 Fingers crossed! Thing is throttles are allowed but only to 6mph. I wish ebike manufacturers would stop putting the power on their motors and give us a quick 'legal reset' button that limits speed to 15.5mph and throttle speed to 6.
Just put a 250 watt sticker on it!
What helmet are you using in this video?
It's from aliexpress. Did a video on it recently. Can't remember what it's called but it's 'scorpion' style.
@@e-VRC thank you very much mate, helmet looks really cool, might buy in the future, what size did you get for your head? Unsure what size I should get?
@@chowder447 i got a large 👍
Engwe ep2 price in 870£ on ebay but official engwe website uk price is 949£. Can you plz guide me should i buy it from ebay ???
Is that 949 including discount codes? Also is it 2nd hand on eBay?
@@e-VRC yes including discount code and brand new on ebay so i think i should buy from ebay
What's the mirror on the bike?
It's from amazon. Don't leave home without it 👍
Excellent engine pro for me. Thanks
No climb test between them?
Coming soon 👍
@@e-VRC very nice, you are a king
@@e-VRC alright. You have some good hills in mind?
Have you had any trouble with police? i know these bikes arent legal in uk or ireland without light moped license, i get paranoid i will get stopped one of these days
Not yet. I feel ok on a bike as long as I'm not being dangerous since there are legal ebikes. I feel much more paranoid on a scooter but even then i think they're generally ok with you as long as you're being sensible. Of course this can always depend on the individual.
still slow for a 750 w motor , i get 29 mph on my 250 w motor on plane ,i do have a 350 w beast controller but i exspected a little more from a 750 w motor ......
29 is definitely fast for a 250 rather than 29 being slow for 750. 750 mid drive could potentially go faster. Or with a lighter rider.
@@e-VRC it should be much faster ,but you are correct 29 mph is fast for 250w motor ,i do have a beast controller,i guess thats the reason the bike can get to it ,and it maintain the high speed even on stipp hills...
hello and thank you for what you do by showing us many interesting things, you have all my respect
Thanks, anytime 👍
@@e-VRCWILD, that you still answer that fast after over a year
whats the helmet you got on?
Cheap aliexpress 'scorpion' style helmet. Got a better one now from Noblemantech. The difference in quality is night and day.
@@e-VRC Thanks, was leaning towards ILM 3/4 to full convertible and quality is somewhat important especially on the streets of central London.
@@donce666 definitely. I wouldn't wear that black one if I had an actual motorcycle but I think it's more protective than the usual bike helmet. I'm sure protection is fine but the mouth bit is flimsy, missing screws and the padding isn't the best looking. It feels fine though.
Please what's the name of your helmet?
It's a cheap version of a 'scorpion' helmet from aliexpress
My ep2 with maxed settings gets up to 38mph
how bro?
Did you read the story about Mate bikes being took to court by the DVSA for none compliant ebikes IE there 750w models.The judge found them guilty and as a consequence they have been fined and ordered to recall all such none compliant ebikes.Me thinks that there will be a crack down coming on such none compliant ebikes.
A guy in Hereford got caught on a 750w ebike and got 6 penalty points on his car licence for no insurance. These bikes are cheap for a reason, far better spending more on a quality legal ebike with high torque.
The bikes are not illegal to sell, only illegal to use on UK roads. They can be used on private land. Its the purchaser that decides how they use it not the manufacturer.
@Mange2 Wrong, the bikes, as they are over 250w are illegal to use on UK roads, cycleways, towpaths, riverbanks, footpaths or anywhere else that isn't private land owned by you or private land you have permission from the owner to use.
But he is saying that the owner decides how to use them which is how manufacturers and shops get around the illegality when selling them.
Did you write this somewhere else? I'm sure I replied but maybe my phone lost signal or something.
Engine pro 1000 w . Legal in norway ? Plz tell me plzzz plzzz plzz plzzz plz tell me i dont know the rule
No
Why bro
@@shahan1465 i will see today in larvik 2 guys on e bikes
@norwegianboy4379 its oki to have motor with 1000 but the speed need to be max at 25H over that its illegal
Engwe ep2 pro can turn up speed uk mine do 35-38 mph🏴
Thanks
No problem
EP2 Pro pick at 900W
anything over 20mph is more enough when you live in london u dont wanna go 30mph down a road XD
I recently ordered the EP-2 Pro due to my 125 cc front suspension crapping out on me. Then I found out about the laws regarding E-Bikes and how retarded they are. So now I have had to cancel my order and look at fixing my bike. Good job UK government /s
dont worry about it, no one cares
That's why I went with the ADO A20F+ International Version 500W it's stamped 250w on the hub and can turn the throttle on and off so its fully UK road legal with throttle turned off according to the place I got it from.
Yeah the ebike laws suck here. But I am happy that their legal in some form unlike escooters (apart from rentals). That way at least you aren't an obvious target on one. Ado have the right idea when it comes to... 'blending in' 😂
@@boredalchemist That's a patently false statement considering the number of people that are getting done for having no insurance or having a license, riding bikes over 250w. Forgive me for not wanting to play Russian roulette with my license.
@@e-VRC Yes even though its fairly low risk being stopped on a e-bike there will always be that one time where you do get stopped by a cop that knows all about e-bikes and WILL give you a ticket for no insurance as a 750w is classed as an e-moped, yes its a pity our government are so dumb when it comes to e-scooters in many towns now the police are clamping down on them, the only way would be to paint you e-scooter in the same colour as the rentals 🤣🤣
Change he freewheel to 11 - 28T
🤙🏼👀⚡
I have the pro can get 28mph right out of box also your driving on wrong side of the road lol
@@Outsidetrailsandwoods 😂😂
Like it a lot
You really chose a bad road.
Haha yeah it's terrible 😂
If you search the value from down to earth viewpoint, pro-2 is better of course.
Let's say I considered how fast I arrive from my home to my work place, 44 km (27 miles) if I have some problem with my car.
So the conclusion is, that for 400€ , I win 2-3 miles over?Or 5 minutes shorter time on this distance?
Plus those useless hydro suspension which ad and the weight and expenditures to keep them up in proper condition.
The game is not worth of candles, gentlemen...👎😕