Samsung 980 PRO Review - Samsung's First PCIe Gen4 SSD
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Notes:
- The SSDs you see in the graphs have been re-tested on a new platform. You cannot compare the numbers in this video with previous SSD reviews. I will have a full SSD comparison/roundup in the near future, or just ask for advice if you have questions.
- When I talk about real world performance impact, I'm talking about realistic (and common) consumer workloads: Loading Games, 1080p video editting, 4K video editting, Photoshop, Lightroom, etcetera. Of course it IS possible to show differences when working with huge 8K files for example. I try to be nuanced, but there is a limit :)
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction
2:04 - Capacities, Pricing
2:41 - Design, Thermals
3:34 - Enabling Write Caching, No More Driver
4:21 - No more 2-bit MLC NAND, Warranty Concerns
6:32 - Performance
8:00 - "Real World" Impact
9:33 - Talking about Future Benefits
10:36 - Final Thoughts
Disclosure:
- This product was provided by Samsung. As per my own guidelines, they don't get any say about anything in this video or any of my other reviews. It's not sponsored by them, they also didn't get to preview this video beforehand, or any other nonsense like that. My reviews reflect my own views, nothing more, nothing less.
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"If you ask a significant price premium for a premium product at least make sure that the price is the only real downside worth talking about" - Brilliant
Right!?
@@TechTesters Perhaps prosumer products can rest on being the current best? I wish the 10x rule applied to all these products then things could get exciting like they were when we were kids.
@@TechTesters I love your case! Would you mind telling me what it's called?
@@Alicecocoz that's the cooler master Cosmos C700M 😉
@@TechTesters Thank you! Really appreciate it 😀
Such a great review! Your in-depth technical explanations combined with "real world" performance is just so helpful. Thank you!
It feels like this is supposed to be called the 980 Evo instead of the 980 Pro given that it is TLC instead of MLC.
I think so too.
So 980 Evo will be QLC?
I really hope not.....
Honestly, I think it's fine, even for prosumer use. SSDs are proven to last longer than their rated endurance.
Writing 100GB a day on this lasts you 16 years.
True
I'm a subscriber for only a few months now but I must admit this. Your videos are GREATt! Good information - all that's needed to know, good quality video and audio (thank god!), and a lovely look and voice! Keep these videos coming, I'm here watching them all. 😃
this is as near to perfection you can get on a TH-cam channel: beautiful calming setup, great knowledge on the product and explained to perfection, and it sure helps that you are very easy on the eyes too. Stunning review in every way!!!
I have been waiting for so long for a review on the 980 pro, I am so glad somebody actually did it as everyone else seems to be uploading their 15th video on the 3080.
Just a heads up, the next video will include an RTX 3080 as well 😂
*cries in 960 pro*
You're missing out on those sequentials dude. How do you even youtube without em 😁
*cries in 850 evo*
2020, Still using HDD WD Blue 1TB WD10EZEX, Toshiba 500GB DT01ACA050 😂
Lol.
@Mr10Residentevilfan Even a 970 Pro. For gen 3. Would be still an upgrade.
Great review! You used all the benchmarks without getting lost in them.
And your conclusion - so eloquently put! Love it.
I thought you really nailed it with your closing statement about pricing should be the only downside/complaint regarding "Pro" gear.
She also nailed it with her nails.. ;)
One of the most thorough reviews for the 980 Pro. You've answered a lot of my questions in regards to future proofing my current build. I now know what to do. Excellent work!
Happy to hear, thanks! 😁
@@TechTesters Hello, I have a new notebook asus tuf a15, can I put it on my samsung 980 pro laptop?
Samsung should have dropped the PRO line when dropping MLC. It’s basically a 980 EVO.
Maybe they are downgrading pro series, and they will make new line up with even more ridiculous prices. These drives will be using mlc again and will feature high tbw
Exactly omg I thought I could count on them smh nope
you probably would have said the same thing when they went from SLC to MLC for their SSDs
I'm thinking that to achieve such high speeds using MLC would've been far to expensive. What i think is going to happen is the EVO series will also be TLC but with a slower speed.
@@nice8080 well lets help that they never go to PLC. Penta Level cells or 5 level cells. It already is a thing but its duration of usefulness is so short that no one who i can tell uses it outside of research labs trying to get it to last longer.
Great job! This review explains the pros and cons so well. Keep up the good work!
*Amazing presentation! Subbed! :)*
12:35 every manufacturer should keep in mind this sentence!
Ur review is super detailed. Not all reviewers do this. This is an excellent video you've made.
Oh there is a LOT more data, I just think it doesn't really help tell you what you need to know. I'm glad you enjoyed it, thanks! :D
This is the most comprehensive review of the 980 pro i have seen. All my questions answer in one go thankyou. Just ordered 250GB for my W11 OS.
Terrific review! Your hard drive reviews are very thorough. Not only from a tech spec aspect on it but also from a financial perspective. You've given me some food for thought since I was at first all set and ready to purchase this drive thinking that it would greatly increase read/write speeds and boost my system. But now I think I'm going to put a pause on this one for now and wait and see when new tech comes out maybe then it might be worth it. Fingers crossed. ;)
What a nice comment :) happy I helped. If it's a good upgrade depends on where you ome from though. If you're still on mechanical storage, nows a good time to upgrade to some sort fo SSD for sure!
Oh my this looks amazing
Thank you for this review! Really helped me a lot.
Video quality is on point! Thank you for the review
Damn how fast are you? Review already? Time for a coffee and watch this :P
I guess the laws of diminishing returns is in play... Currently have two systems with M.2 NVME in them. Samsung 960 pro 512gb and the other has the 970 Evo plus 256. The 980 having the performance cache isn't what I'm really looking for. I'm happy with my purchases. I'll wait for updates or better things. Thanks for the informative review Techtesters.
I wonder how a full mlc drive would run
maybe 990? I'm in a simillar situation having a 1tb 970 evo. I'm kinda annoyed that Samsung is even calling it a pro-grade drive lol. inb4 they introduce a new line up, Samsung 980 Elite for 350~400$/TB lol.
Your videos are so informative.
Very honest and detailed review. Thanks for that!! Greetings from Colombia :)
Glad you think so!
waiting on the 2TB version later this year
Despite the use cases that show where the 970 Evo Plus out performs, I would read those result and suggest to anyone with confidence "The 980 Pro is the best performing nVME drive" and of course people will need to work out their own cost limitations; AND universally understand that any SSD is way better than a HDD, and between them all there is little difference in gaming. The remaining and most relevant distinction between the 980 Pro and others, including its predecessors, is clear.
If you properly analyze the graph displayed @ 7:45, it should be obvious that the Samsung 980 Pro is STILL faster at completing work than the 970 Evo Plus up through probably 70~80 seconds. The 980 Pro screams ahead of the 970 Evo Plus being almost twice as fast for 27 seconds, then it slows down to maybe 70% of the speed of the 970, but is still transferring data and holds at that new point (I've seen other benchmark where the 980 Pro doesn't slow down further). While the 970 is "catching up", it wouldn't actually catch up unless the transfer operation extended past 70 seconds. That means it takes somewhere around 200GB or more in order for the 970 Evo Plus to have been faster than a 980 Pro. So, there's a situation where the 970 is faster, but I don't see that one happening very often even for a video editor.
This seems to be an "in denial" review of what is pretty solidly a better drive. It may not be quite the full domination like AMD's Zen3 did to Intel six months ago and into the foreseeable future; but those "real world" tests are not quite real at all. Reading or writing 16GB worth of 4k block sizes (let's just call them file sizes) is ridiculous. I am a software engineer who finds myself working with plenty of directories full of hundreds or thousands of files occasionally but having this scenario has never happened 1) these directories never add up to 16GB in a state where I have to copy them because I should be deleting built binaries and intermediate compiler and linker files that's bloating it to that size anyways. 2) Anyone needing to do this operation should sensibly be tar/gzip (or 7zip for Windows) before transmission for backing up, moving, or copying such a directory. My point is, it's interesting to see that the Samsung 970 Evo Plus performs well in these read/write scenarios, but those are contrived stress tests also (I admit, the others are synthetic benchmarks too). Anyone doing digital media work and editing - pictures, video, audio - is not working with files that small at all. At best, supporting files that small constantly needing IO performance may be specific to a web server serving up various files at random (though most certainly some should be cached in memory, or hell...cached by another web server specific tool); or possibly the specifics of a terribly implemented database or that databases worst case scenario for disk access.
what a brutally honest review with some genuine good advises for viewers! Won me with this one!
I'll always be honest, and I'll always try to be fair :) Even when I'm positive ;)
Great review! I'm not sure how I've missed this channel, Subbed!
Thank you so much 😁
I'd just wait for the Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus. Also, waiting for Western Digital and Sandisk.
When is the Sabrenet Rocket 4 Plus coming out
@@shashank1630 its out now, but the benchmark they shown was fake. the rocket 4 plus is much slower then the 980 pro and the heatsink of the sabrent is really bad.
@@shashank1630 Not even Sabrent knows when it's coming out ( somebody wrote to customer service ). Everyone on their Facebook page is asking the same question. It's just a paper launch. Abandon all hope.
Thank you. Great review. Was waiting for this drive to come out and sadly I am disappointed. It's 980 EVO, there's nothing pro about it.
Thanks! And 980 EVO probably would have been a better name
Really looking forward to purchasing a 860 Evo. Right now I'm still on a 4th gen Intel system with no NVME support. Love the video!
Thank you so much for this.
omg the presenter is amazing :)
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Good review, thank you. I was honestly wondering whether NVME PCI 4 - right now - was worth the premium as I have a few parts to replace at the same time. I think I’ll grab a PCIE 4 board but stick with a 3.0 M2 NVME drive (assuming it’s compatible?).
That should help reduce the total cost of the parts I need.
It might make sense to just to wait for the pcie 5 drives to start coming out.
I really like the way you present details, very simple and always easy to understand. Great channel, great review as always. The phrase "overall the 980 pro will be faster but most of the time not always" seems somehow implies that the 980 pro performance varies and is not guaranteed to perform regularly on the upper level.
Thank you! SSDs are complicated but I really wanted to break it down.
And you're right, the 3-bit with SLC cache approach will be faster in most situations, but if you just hammer it non-stop the 970 PRO will maintain higher sustained speeds over time. So for a server / database for example, it might matter.
I would love to test one of these. Seems great!
It might be fast enough for PS5,now we just have to wait for the price to drop for 2 TB version in the future,Ill probably buy 1 in 3 or 4 yrs for 2 TB version
"in 3 or 4 years for a 2TB version"
You do realize that TIME is a currency too right???
It should take no more than 1 or 2 months at the most for anyone with a job, bills, rent, etc to be able to set aside the money for a 2TB model if they truly want it.
3-4 years is a very long time to wait for a price drop of a couple of hundred dollars at the most.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M true
@@PSYCHOV3N0M I recently purchased the 1 TB version for $190,I missed out on the $175 deal but I’m not looking forward to get 2 TB because its the price of another PS5 but I do have money for it but it doesn’t makes sense to spend that much for only 2TB
@@redscorpion9325 What exact SSD model did you buy?
always the best
Another awesome video. Very informative.
Thank you!
Very impressive video. Great details and a charming presentation, I'm subscribed!
In my mind Pro always stood for Professional, not "Prosumer". They should have changed the tag of this line, because this isnt something that Pros would wanna use.
Also regarding the I/O meter in real use, I/O performance is extremely important in server use, where drives have to handle thousands of small I/O requests at a time.
I'd agree, but everyone seems to call fancy consumer products "pro" now. I guess enterprise is the new pro.
Q: Can I use the motherboard's heat spreader on top of Samsung's heat spreader?
yes
Excellent review, solved all my doubts. Thanks!
My pleasure! :D
Solid review. Thanks for clearly and concisely explaining the deal with the Samsung 980 Pro. Definitely some food for thought.
Glad it helped! 😊
I would buy this just to run Crystal Disk all day.
U should buy the upcoming Sabrent Rocket Plus instead. Faster and most likely cheaper.
99% of the consumer don't need this high of read/write speed. Its not going to help with games. Unless you have a profession where you have to transfer large files all day this is a waste of money.
@@mrcatsoup4496 there are plenty of games where loading in speed can determine who wins so in some games it makes a major difference. for instance last oasis. if your team under attack in another sever you have to travel and loading times can mean life or death. i can load in be traveling for a full 30 secs before the rest of my team regains connection.
@@mrcatsoup4496 Some people just like to have the latest and greatest tech on hand, this is the product for them.
@@WilliamChoochootrain I've been waiting forever for the Sabrent Rocket + it's just a paper launch my dude. The only people who have them are reviewers.
"They are releasing 3 capacities"... yes, one useless, one soon to be useless and one that is just about useful with games and programs getting bigger and bigger.
@DragonEggBedrockBreaking Complete Bullshit with "Useless" it all depends on what the heck you are doing. I use a 250gb 970 as a system drive (completely fine) and an 1tb 860 for Games. My mother uses in her laptop a 512gb SSD and the fucker is not even close to half the capacity after 2 years. And to store random data etc. i got 2x 4tb HDDs
@@mrn234 512 is good for os with some favourite games other games well i have other 2tb SSD xD
Nice job. You hit a lot of points and you do it well.
Ive waited for gen 4 ssd's from Samsung for long enough
At least now i can install a gen 4 Samsung ssd on my msi MEG x570 godlike mobo
Only waiting for 3080 to come back in stock again so i can complete my dream build
Should wait for 3080 super - double the amount of vRAM
Phison e18 drives might come soon but it remains to be seen how they compare to the 980 pro.
I am personally waiting for that and a 20GB version of 3080.
@@jnx7884 And a lot more expensive probably.
@@HighMv Yea probabaly, but it is and has always been so with super and TI models. The main selling point is that it can now (sorta) compete with the 3090 cards for much much cheaper (3080 is only 10/15% slower than a 3090 but with less than half the vRAM)
brother, technologies advance non-stop. In a year or two, AMD will have DDR5 and the new Ryzen 5 :D And then You're gonna want a new dream build :D And after that another thing will pop up, and the another ...
Be on board with removing custom drivers. Windows should automatically enable write caching and it will be take care of in a future build. Third party drivers are a security risk at best (who updates their hard drive drivers?)
I'm not convinced yet. Previous Samsung drives performed significantly better after swapping to the Samsung driver, and several SSDs don't auto-enable write caching, so you'll still need to check.
Some companies, like Sabrent, actually give you instructions to do this yourself. That wouldn't hurt.
Thank you great review with real information!!
Glad you think so! :D
I've had Samsung ssds for 3 years now and didn't know about the write caching. Thank you 🙏
For Samsung nvme drives, make sure you install the Samsung nvme driver too 😁 happy to help!
Looking forward to Sabrent's offerings as well.
Me too!
Same
Sabrent already has an pcie 4 drive (1tb) with 5000 read and 4400 write. It's on amazon right now for 160$ (199-40 coupon). If you mean a review for it then yeah.
@@ILikeWhatILike69 It's based on an older controller, and it's slower. I'm sure they have new products coming up soon.
I think most M.2 NVMe PCIe Gen4 SSDs still use the 28nm Phison E16 controller. It was the first NVMe PCIe Gen4 controller available. AMD invested $15M to rush development in 9 months to pair with their Ryzen 3000 Series launch. Samsung 8nm Elpis controller seems designed more for enterprise and datacenter NVMe SSDs that regularly sustain high IO queues. I don’t think it has any business in a consumer SSD. Ryzen Threadripper 3990X is the only consumer CPU currently available that would use more than 32 IO queues and it is prohibitively expensive. The consumer use cases are extremely limited that would require or utilize it.
we need the ps5 tech in new nvme pciexpress 4.0 ssd
Awesome video and also the most honest review of this SSD that I have seen so far.
I'm happy you think so! thanks!
Great video from a channel I'm surprised I didn't even know. Liked and subscribed, keep up the great work!
Thank you! 😊
I’ll just keep using 970s in my rigs. The 980s might be a good option for the new gaming consoles that have expandable nvme pcie4 storage.
Whats S?
Just bought one. 150 euros here in Holland for the 500 GB version. Building mine pc right now so I am curious about it.
How's the build going?
@@floki6481went perfect. The ssd is freaking fast.
@@merwinpique haha wicked. Just ordered the 1 TB model from DELL because it's sold out almost everywhere. This is my first build so I am pretty stoked for the parts to arrive.
@@merwinpique nice, in germany its 135€ for the 500 gb, but i ordered the 1 gb one for 209€, its the fastest ssd atm.
you've earned my sub fellow tech tuber :) I don't have my hands on 980s yet, thanks for going over this!
My pleasure 😁
great delivery, I subbed!
Thank you :D
I have a 970 pro and I swear I doesn't feel any faster vs my $60 860 evo and even cheaper $40 kingstons...
thats due to software issues.... 9/10 games and programs aren't optimized for such fast drives, which is why u wont even feel a difference between a samsung 860 evo (sata) and a samsung 980 pro (nvme gen4)
Same, but thats more of a limitation of nVME v1.3 protocol (overhead/ memory type
same experience here bro... 970 evo plus on pcie 3.0 and realworld feel is zero difference to the raid 0 evo 840 ssds I have that do 1000mb/s... dissapointing
I think this is PlayStation 5 compatible “unofficially” so far
Yes, but no 2 Tb version for this 980 Pro ?
@@dan8kdanhd757 It's coming in a couple months or so
Try to look for PM9A1, same drive much cheaper.
@Transistor Jump It's drive Samsung made for OEM used in prebuilt and laptop. You can't use Samsung Magician otherwise it's the same.
@Transistor Jump Lol, I never used it tho.
great video, genuinely found it informative and well presented, subscribing!
Thank you, and welcome!
I'm super happy with my 2 terabyte 970 evo plus. Ty for the tweaking tips.
I would be too! For the 970 evo (plus) just remember to install samsungs's driver.
thank you, as far as I understand I can save money for motherboard and buy with supporting pcie 3.0 and buy 970 pro, don't I?
@Srinivas Arasu for now, I have an old laptop.
Decided to buy stuff with pcie 4.0 as fastest for now.
Don't suppose you did a test vs a Sabrent Rocket NVME ?
Not yet, but I'll give them a poke for sure!
@@TechTesters won't make a purchase until I see a comparison with Sabrent.
You deserve way more subscribers tbh
Thanks for a great presentation, good and clear information. I like a very nice space set up and a cool rig in the back
Thank you!
The entire industry is going toward three bit, four bit, and next year five bit cells. Its how we'll get 4+ TB drives at prices that match mechanical drives.
And for most users, that will be completely fine!
98%
Far too expensive... I'll come back in 18 months when software actually uses this type of storage and then Samsung will be king again.
Thank you for the reviews! Love the channel! Currently using two Samsung m.2's gen3 and am looking forward to these new drives.
Thank you! :D
are you going to buy new one ?
@@pashnyovv I know I am planning on picking at least one up but your question may be for Techtesters and not me. 😁👍
@@longmeistergaming9740 have you looked for wd black sn850 or something else?
@@pashnyovv Have dealt with Samsung mostly for my M.2 drives in the past and will most likely stay the course for these new PCI-E Gen 4 drives as well. I will take a look at the WD Black SN850 though, thank you.
Brilliant video. Very informative, exactly what i needed!
Thank you!
Don't. Do. Premiers! Then I can't hit "watch later" and instead have to stare at the notification all day OR swipe it away and forget the video ever existed! 😭 FIRST WORLD PROBS!
Wanted to give it a try, will see for the future ;)
agreed!
@@TechTesters if it improves your stats, please go for it, it just annoys me, but I'm just one person!
i love samsung SSD's but they are so expensive.
Good content. Honest. Thank you
Thank you 😊
This Cosmos C700 build in the background is sick!
Just wait for the next video, trust me ;) (Might be the one after too, we'll see ;) )
Thanks for saving me from spending money on something that isn't even going to give me any real world benefits 😂
well - i stay with my 970 pro then
much higher quality
Excellent review!
This felt like a good & objective review, going from a positive aspect to a negative one back and forth it felt authentic and realistic. Thank you.
I think I'll be getting this SSD it seems solid.
Pun intended?
@@ofekzada2400 I had to re-read my comment to see where I could've made that pun... It wasn't intended ! (I think) hahaha
OMG your accent is beautiful! ;)
Man i wish i would see a boot time with this NVME! :(
You won't see a significant difference.
raido 0 ssds win 10 abt 6 secs and 970 evo plus 4-5 secs
I really like your detailed knowledge of PC technology 🔥
I've been waiting for this. I bought a 1 TB Gen 4 drive from Microcenter's brand Inland Pro, and it died after 5 days...Sooooo I just got the 970 Evo Plus. I use my computer mainly for editing my own TH-cam Videos and as a Freelance Editor. So I need reliability. The best way to configure your editing rig is to use 3 SSD's. OS, Video Previews Drive, and Adobe Cache Drive. So far I love my 970 Evo Plus, but I will be buying one of these soon as my OS drive. Love Samsung drives!!! Great Video guys!!!
Thanks! And good choice imho.
This ain't no "Pro". This is Junior Varsity edtion.
agreed 100%. they're tarnishing their branding by using TLC here. ruins the Pro branding 100% among anyone who has extensive knowledge on MLC vs TLC.
"Warranty VOID if product is used."
You smoked the drives. Excellent review.
Great video thank you for all the info
My pleasure :D
lol. the best part was the "vault" guy hold the ssd..
These ssd bring
UNLIMITED POWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEER
that's a riley refrence from linus tech tips
@@ggghhhhg9797 true
Very helpful review.
Glad you think so!
Thank you for this review!
I was hoping for Samsung to spice up the Gen4 speed race, but I think I will hunt for a larger 2TB+ 970 Evo/Pro instead.
If performance comes with caveats, decent price for large capacity is definitely the next step to look for instead.
Absolutely! And thanks!
should the sticker be removed when installing?
Nope! That's the heatspreader
it will void warranty if you do
My issue with this is Samsung does not factor in a customer's peace of mind. I know TLC is much practical, but my mind needs MLC and MLC warranty.
Exactly my point! 👊
Great review. Happy with my 970 evo plus.
Thanks!
I’m subscribing mainly because the host in lovely as heck!
welp! so much for Ps5's SSD being the fastest. :/
hopefully this comes in 8tb...... or at least 6. :)
2TB later, no word on 4TB or more :(
@@TechTesters Many thanks,
When this 2 TB version will be released ?
Omg she’s so pretty I can’t stop admiring her looks
I don't know what I think about 980pro , but I think you are amazing and your voice is soooooo soothing . wow
Thank you? 😊
You saved me a lot of cash. Thanks a lot. ❤️❤️
Hope it helped! :)
Thumbs up if you like the way she says "so."