The thing with the remastering, and I wish more journalists would pay attention to this, is that Sony studios use proprietary engines so the remastering is actually done by cohorts of new developers to get them up to speed with the engine they're using -- according to Jason Schreier. This way they can learn the engine and make something that Sony can sell - it's a win/win for them. That's why they're remasters of newer games and not older ones. If they were going to do, in Guerrilla's case, Killzone then those games might not even have engine continuity - and it'd take way more people, money, and time to make them
Maybe put those teams on making DLC or expansions for games to achieve this like the last decade or more. Pretty lame to waste the resources on remasters that already look and run amazing on the current hardware. It's just padding because they are so slow at making new games now.
@@meeds7473 Thank you for bringing this up. It's getting overlooked a lot. I'm not saying there isn't any case to be made against how they're going about these remasters, but I think people are really not understanding their function from a developer perspective. And also... these remasters are not happening _instead_ of new games or older remasters. That's just simply not how it works.
Haley, completely with you on Trello being a lifesaver. I'm a PM at a marketing agency and started using it a little over a year ago and it's an absolute lifesaver, especially when you're managing the schedules / tasks of multiple people. Would highly recommend to anyone as a solid organization / productivity tool.
Similar to Kelsey's advice, after a promotion my boss told me instead of coming to him with questions, he asked that I generally go to him with a question paired with a potential solution. I'm sure it's context dependent and might not be as helpful in really developed endeavors. But we design new technologies and programs for cancer research. Often enough what we're trying to do doesn't have an readily available comparison point. Coming with some already considered ideas and suggestions really jump starts the conversation.
UFO 50 is awesome. It's great if you want to try something new, it's great if you want to nerd out about game design, it's great if you want a couple fresh small-scale games in your favorite genres, it's great if you want a bunch of fuel for technical speedruns and challenge runs, it's great if you want to dig into some meta lore and secrets, and it's great if you want to reexperience the era or care about the history the game is reflecting. It's super easy to recommend!
“We dove right in and started killing in the way we normally do.” Welcome to the latest MinnMax game: Kelsey Lewin or Manson Family? We give you a quote, and you tell us…
11:00 They specifically said during a gamescom demo that there will not be underwater combat. They pointed that out because there was an underwater section where the hunter collected some materials and that was it.
Literally the maker of the first video game console, Magnavox notoriously sued anyone who didn't license their 'ping-pong' game from them that they claimed a patent on in the mid 70s. And they won Every. Single. One. Even against Atari for Pong. Someone claiming they own the concept of 'ping-pong' and/or being able to interact with objects moving around on screen is laughable today but it flew back then, even defeating Nintendo(!) at the time when they tried to push against it. In my understanding, nowadays for something like that to be infringing on the patent, it would have to be the exact method, process and/or code of executing that action being lifted which at the point falls into copyright infringement territory. Filing the case in Japan also makes sense since copyright/IP law there is NOTORIOUSLY protective and vigilant. Cases are heavily stacked against defendants based on principle and history which makes it more alluring to file the case there.
Kelsey's definitely on the right track with washing the hat in the sink. I use liquid dish soap and that seems to work fairly well to remove any oils or sweat from the hat. Also, I'd be wary of putting hats in the washing machine because I have had the washing machine destroy the sweat band in a hat.
Soak hats in a bucket of water overnight, then hang it out to dry. Try different detergents or stain removers in the water to see which works best of your hat :3
@shifting_tides you do realize that has been the trope for the past 60 or so years right. It's literally the whole thing. Westerns are just samurai movies set in the wild west and vice-versa.
Haley's patent section was like turning over a rock and finding all sorts of creepy crawlies. Jeez, Nintendo. Are they doing okay, financially? Are they not making enough money?
There games sell a lot, they opened a museum, its just too assert power I don’t think its like they are struggling financially actually thats not even the case, and its also not like they sue companies over patents regularily, cause that would go badly its literally when they feel its violating something, nintendo isn’t gonna sue yo kai watch digimon lol.
3D underwater levels are cool in video games, if you look at the indie scene Subnautica, Another Crab's Treasure, or going back Ninja Gaiden had good underwater sections, Bayonetta 2 also.
6:00 “There is one remake everybody wants, and they would have been super happy if they showed it.” - Jeffm Me petting my cracked PS1 jewel case for Trasher: Skate & Destroy in my lap like Doctor Claw, “Yes Jeffm, tell the world what must be done. One remake to bind them all.”
I also say... don't buy too many extra clothes if the parents don't ask for them: we have more newborn baby clothes than we can ever use (literally probably use once) the baby will outgrow them before we can get through them all. We have also gotten outfits that make zero sense (newborn summer clothes for a fall/winter baby) etc. Something my buddies and I do is a 'diaper party' basically all the guys get together as an alternative to a baby shower (usually at a bar, or someone hosts a BBQ) and each guest has to bring a box of diapers, size doesnt matter, they will get used.
Thinking about naming characters, when I first got Breath of the Wild I asked my then 8 year old niece what I should call my horse. She suggested Clip Clop, and so Clip Clop it was. It was very cute realising Clip Clop was still around in Tears of the Kingdom, my niece being 14 by that point
@ 1:30:54 It's SO crazy that Ben brought that up... I'm mean brought up the fact of the word "that" is usually not being needed. I remember like 10 years ago, Kyle actually brought this up on the GI Podcast and it stuck in my head every since. Also, LONG TIME FIRST TIME, BABYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
1:29:00 That's a fun editing insight from Leo. The jokes on his essays are so well edited and always make me laugh. Good advice Ben, and good execution Leo!
Between the UFO 50 discussion, the Haley rant and the great patreon questions/answers awesome episode! For ideas to do in person I think the obvious is the long awaited MinnMax human pyramid and synchronized swimming extravaganza. Go hang a salami!
I teach technical writing and Hailey's comment on the overuse of the comma was on point. And, yes, the judicious use of the M dash can add some punch to your expression... Your team would be wonderful guest speakers for all your varied and engaging business experience. My students would love you... Keep up the great work! 🎉
Kelsey speaks the truth in regards to MH fans and new games. We’re always happy with whatever comes next. Though Wilds seems to be pushing things with the environments more than any others. Also glad to learn Kelsey is such a big fan! Def will be interested to hear what she thinks about Wilds at demo/ release time.
Says a lot about the state of the gaming industry that the topic that takes up the most time in this video is UFO 50 and it basically entirely positive. I think this game is a GOTY release that SHOULD beat out a lot of other AAA titles.
1:44:11 I know it was said in jest, but my wife was so excited to submit her first ever question, and she was sooo deflated because Hanson described it as pandering lol. I think she was talking about our baby "listening" to MinnMax with us while she was pregnant.
i think Hanson must struggle some with depression the idea that something he started and is a voice in would mean that much to somebody gets him doubting and second guessing the truth of his worth --- he's attempting to stay humble and i think it backfired in this case
Honestly, that did feel like a weirdly dismissive description of a listener email and I'm sure Ben would feel bad about it on reflection. @charoleawood that said, I really don't think it's helping anything to speculate about the man's mental health
@@alex2217 yes, it is speculation on my part but i'm not trying to stigmatize depression to me being a little depressed is perfectly normal we can be more understanding when there are perceived insensitivities because we all deal with feeling a little depressed from time to time --- it'd be strange if we didn't
The whole part about Ben always making black women as his custom characters and not wanting applause or to be treated like a hero was making me crack up. Then when he said he wanted the statue of him to be a black lady, I was cackling 😂
Why does Ben feel he needs to defend every corporation? People didn’t want a remaster and he feels he needs to champion it? Why? You don’t owe corporations anything.
I didn't need a Horizon remaster but a $10 upgrade with completely reworked animations to bring it up to Forbidden West standard is honestly not even worth getting upset about. They've done far more egregious things even this month
I would add to the Patent discussion, that this also a case of "Don't hate the player, hate the game.", because Haley MacLean left out some important details, when she talked about the small Japanese company being sued and "destroyed" by Nintendo, she left out the fact, that the smaller Japanese company tried to patent "Touch Analog controls" and make other developers pay for their patent. Then Nintendo sued them, because Nintendo had the patent first, but just didn't enforced them. Also there was the huge case, where Nintendo was sued from some Parent Trolls over the Wiimote in Texas. As much as it is dangerous for Nintendo to weaponize the patent, claiming patent is also a defensive move, so that nobody can take those and use it against yourself. MacLean is still right, that Parent law is crap and needs to be changed, so that software patents don't get give away like candy. Still Nintendo using them to attack a competitive developers, which clearly infringed their IP but they can't prove it somehow (?), isn't a good look.
I mean Horizon Zero Dawn remaster does look significantly better. I feel like it is pretty disingenuous to make out it doesn’t look much different. And I am speaking as someone who played it for the first time last year.
I find it a bit funny how there's this idea that theres nothing to play on PSVR2. PSVR2 games are coming out every week. Yeah, a lot of them aren't from big notable publishers, but there are 327 PSVR2 games either out already or coming out at some point.
It just seems a bit foolish to me to invest in an expensive sony device that sony isn't supporting when I could buy a vr system which is also getting all of these games and does get support.
@@reed1645 Really? What's the meaningful difference between PSVR2 and the Valve Index? No one's saying the Index is dead, yet it probably has less first party offerings than PSVR2.
@@Hazz3r I didn't say index, just a vr headset that's actually going to get support. Does psvr2 actually have any first party games? The only one I heard about was that horizon one which i'm personally not fussed on.
@@reed1645 There's not a whole lot of VR headsets to choose from, especially with your qualifier: "actually get support". If the Index isn't the alternative you're talking about then what is? Horizon, Gran Turismo, and Firewall Ultra.
@Hazz3r I was thinking meta quest myself as a potential purchase but honestly psvr2 is probably bottom of the list. It really does seem quite dead plus the whole no backwards compatibility thing doesn't make me feel confident in buying from sony.
I honestly prefer remasters nowadays to the unoriginal garbage stuff coming out now. These are the "new IPs" everyone is talking about wanting? No thank you.
That is such boomer bs. Final Fantasy 16, FF Rebirth, Elden Ring, God of War, Zelda TotK, Diablo, Dragons Dogma 2, Alan Wake 2 and on and on are all great games. Did you own an NES where half the games were licensed trash?
But they said it right here, studios and devs are wasting time and money on something that didn't need a remaster, you could have had a new game announcement instead of that in this showcase.
I'm all for remasters and remakes but make them for the games that actually deserve it, like Romancing Saga 2 getting a 3D remake? Definitely worth it. A remaster that makes Horizon look slightly nicer? Not so much.
The reaction to the Horizon Remaster is exacerbated because people are starting to foam at the mouth for a Bloodborne Remaster. Because I think a lot of people would be really happy if someone spent some time porting it to PS5 and getting it to run at 60FPS. The optics of spending a bunch of time on a game that "they don't care about" just increases the annoyance. My one caveat with Horizon's remaster is that they are backporting the Accessibility options from Forbidden West which is fantastic, even if it's a shame that its rolled into a product that Sony's charging money for, instead of an update to the original game.
The mispronunciation of Yotei was a little bit painful, not gonna lie. Gives me flashes of Mike Minotti mispronouncing Shin Megami Tensei lol. Too bad Sarah wasn't there to help. Great episode as always though!
I'm disappointed in the patent rent. I can understand hating the system but it really felt like "poor indie dev vs big bad company". You claimed that Nintendo loves sueing the competition but when did they actually do that? (Outside the one case from 2018 and the new one) You also barely mentioned the Colopl case and left out the important parts to make Nintendo look bad. Colopl was a patent troll and wanted other developers to pay them. Nintendo had a similar patent so they sued Colopl instead. It doesn't even matter what happens in the Palworld case. Colopl was the bad side and not the "poor small mobile dev". Nintendo does not fight their biggest competition in the court room. There are many Pokémon inspired games and Nintendo actually supports some of them. Yo-kai Watch was bigger than Pokémon in Japan for a short time (or at least close) but that didn't stop Nintendo from publishing the game outside of Japan. Pocketpair is also a bad company to protect. Their recent games are just "inspired" by BotW/Pokémon and the CEO orders his workers to plagiarize other companies and says creativity is not needed. At least one (former?) employee attacked their CEO on twitter and was/is suicidal because of the working conditions and the guilt of having worked for the company. Their initial PR response is just an excuse to explain delayed feature updates and an attempt to position themselves as "the representative" for indie games. That might've worked for reddit and games journalism in the west but the reception of this case in Japan is basically the opposite. I would've loved a patent rent based purely on the system and how Haley would improve it. Getting patents without enforcing them to stop other companies from patent trolling sounds like a good solution to a bad system to me. Mixing the argument with two cases where the sued companies are clearly in the wrong but are protected because they are indie made it a bad rent.
And it's also fine to wanna defend them if that's how you feel about it. I don't agree with him either but I don't need my opinion about that presentation to be validated by his.
As a former preschool and kindergarten teacher, I was surprised to hear Hailey (I think) say that The Giving Tree was no longer used in schools. So I looked it up, and could only find that it was banned in Colorado a long time ago, and there’s been some controversy about what the author’s intentions were. It seems to be used for a variety of reasons still, not just as a straight take. So I’m not sure what she was talking about here. 🤷♂️
More anecdotal, as in younger teachers are choosing not to use it not a governmental mandate or anything. My sister is a teacher and she and every other teacher she knows detests that book and will not let it in their classes haha.
You recorded this after State of Play, but have no segment talking about Like a Dragon: Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii that was announced on September 20th? Shame on you. That's extremely disappointing. I would have cancelled Patreon description after something like this if I had one.
The patent rant, was super hyperbolic and I wish you were more concise.Your message while fair just gets misconstrued with exaggeration, and presenting pocketpair as small inocent devs isn’t what I would do, despite thinking it would be good if they won.The intricacies of game patent law was good I just think the discussion on nintendo use off it was not presented beyond ugh they are shitty and destroy competition when thats not even the case or ever been a prevalent part pf there business, a cease and desist on a fangane is more destroying competition than the nintendo patent stuff.
I don’t think you guys realize how negative you’re being about Horizon. A lot of Horizon fans are genuinely excited to play, but the way you react to the game makes others mirror your attitude, especially people who have never played it before. It’s like you’re unintentionally pushing them to never even try or care about the game. When Horizon first launched, people were curious and excited, but now it seems like everyone is hating on it for no real reason, just copying each other’s reactions.
It's hilarious that a Patreon show that's one bad month away from shutting down thinks it's dunking on one of the most successful new videogame franchises of the last decade.
Anytime anything technical regarding videgames comes up you can count on Minnmax, and Haley especially, to have the worst possible takes imaginable. It's amazing you have that many people on the podcast and not a single one of them has a clue about how games are made.
"We haven't been getting Playstation games these days." - In a year in which Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, Astrobot and Helldivers 2 came out, that is a really bizarre opinion. I understand shitting all over Playstation is the cool hipster gamer (aka Minnmax) thing to do, but why say things that are just out and out wrong?
@@minnmaxThey're still all SIE published games though. People have no issue labelling Death Stranding or Bloodborne part of their portfolio even though they weren't first party.
Video games mechanic patents are fine. People are just being too emotional as if every single indie game is hidden gem. In 2023, 14k games released to steam. Most of the indie games are garbage shovelware like Palworld. Very few of the are actualy good. Talented devs will manage to walk around patents. Hoping Nintendo to put PocketPairs into their place.
1:30:00 Sorry, MinnMaxCrew, but I really gotta disagree with almost everything stated in this grammar discussion. I happen to agree with James Joyce in his work Ulysses or John Kennedy Toole in his work The Confederacy of Dunces that conforming your speech to not be conversational and to instead kowtow to regular grammar and syntax can absolutely obstruct your original intent. I just so happen to be writing the first book of my own right now in the style of these two writers and maybe it seems as though Hayley is not going to be a big fan of it, but her sister might. (^These are examples of sentences that kinda prove ma point if u catch me drift)
Love love love hearing the patent chat, thank you Haley. 👏👏👏
I’m a Mexican hearing on what they describe a taco and quesadilla is with this face 🫥
They are Minnesotans!! It's very exotic for them, ha... 😂
Hahaha same
cheese isn’t even that common on tacos in mexico lol
@@dingus2k only quesadillas with cheese hahah
@@Riceball80IA no just no haha get your taste buds checked
The thing with the remastering, and I wish more journalists would pay attention to this, is that Sony studios use proprietary engines so the remastering is actually done by cohorts of new developers to get them up to speed with the engine they're using -- according to Jason Schreier. This way they can learn the engine and make something that Sony can sell - it's a win/win for them. That's why they're remasters of newer games and not older ones. If they were going to do, in Guerrilla's case, Killzone then those games might not even have engine continuity - and it'd take way more people, money, and time to make them
I think a lot of journos know this but still go for outrage content and clickbait
Maybe put those teams on making DLC or expansions for games to achieve this like the last decade or more. Pretty lame to waste the resources on remasters that already look and run amazing on the current hardware. It's just padding because they are so slow at making new games now.
@@meeds7473 Thank you for bringing this up. It's getting overlooked a lot. I'm not saying there isn't any case to be made against how they're going about these remasters, but I think people are really not understanding their function from a developer perspective. And also... these remasters are not happening _instead_ of new games or older remasters. That's just simply not how it works.
Omg, that's so kind of Sony.
Haley mentioning those Miniclip games while talking about UFO 50 unlocked so many memories in my brain.
Dude SAME. I hadn't thought about it since my early teens and now its all flooding back
Save the Sherrif!
Huge stick rpg memories
It's Ghost of Yo-Tay. Yo-Tie would be spelled Yotai.
Well, I guess since Hanson decided not to do the work, I will.
Huber guessed 58%, and the poll was 54% Zelda to 46% SH2.
Excellent patent law talk!!!!!! Thank you Hailey!
I'm a simple man. I see a MinnMax video. I watch a MinnMax video.
Haley, completely with you on Trello being a lifesaver. I'm a PM at a marketing agency and started using it a little over a year ago and it's an absolute lifesaver, especially when you're managing the schedules / tasks of multiple people. Would highly recommend to anyone as a solid organization / productivity tool.
Similar to Kelsey's advice, after a promotion my boss told me instead of coming to him with questions, he asked that I generally go to him with a question paired with a potential solution.
I'm sure it's context dependent and might not be as helpful in really developed endeavors. But we design new technologies and programs for cancer research. Often enough what we're trying to do doesn't have an readily available comparison point. Coming with some already considered ideas and suggestions really jump starts the conversation.
UFO 50 is awesome. It's great if you want to try something new, it's great if you want to nerd out about game design, it's great if you want a couple fresh small-scale games in your favorite genres, it's great if you want a bunch of fuel for technical speedruns and challenge runs, it's great if you want to dig into some meta lore and secrets, and it's great if you want to reexperience the era or care about the history the game is reflecting. It's super easy to recommend!
It's wonderful. My GotY easily. I'm not even nostalgic for that era but I still love it
Loved Haley's explanation of the whole Nintendo patent situation!
I'm glad Kelsey recognizes the superiority of the Charge Blade
Kelsey always got that green gatorade
lmao I did not realize this is a thing I do. I just try to stay hydrated during the shows! 😂
Patents have also led to many wealthy people/businesses being credited for inventions instead of being credited for the first to patent
I'm looking at you Alexander Graham Bell
Ben, love your humor on this ep
Is Ben wearing his new fit?
“We dove right in and started killing in the way we normally do.”
Welcome to the latest MinnMax game: Kelsey Lewin or Manson Family? We give you a quote, and you tell us…
As a guy who is mexican! For a taco in mexico its mainly just meat, cilantro and onions. Taco bell has cursed yall :(
Yes wtf hard taco shell? Janet we needed you on this show. Nobody from socal would tolerate this.
11:00 They specifically said during a gamescom demo that there will not be underwater combat. They pointed that out because there was an underwater section where the hunter collected some materials and that was it.
Literally the maker of the first video game console, Magnavox notoriously sued anyone who didn't license their 'ping-pong' game from them that they claimed a patent on in the mid 70s. And they won Every. Single. One. Even against Atari for Pong.
Someone claiming they own the concept of 'ping-pong' and/or being able to interact with objects moving around on screen is laughable today but it flew back then, even defeating Nintendo(!) at the time when they tried to push against it. In my understanding, nowadays for something like that to be infringing on the patent, it would have to be the exact method, process and/or code of executing that action being lifted which at the point falls into copyright infringement territory.
Filing the case in Japan also makes sense since copyright/IP law there is NOTORIOUSLY protective and vigilant. Cases are heavily stacked against defendants based on principle and history which makes it more alluring to file the case there.
Kelsey's definitely on the right track with washing the hat in the sink. I use liquid dish soap and that seems to work fairly well to remove any oils or sweat from the hat. Also, I'd be wary of putting hats in the washing machine because I have had the washing machine destroy the sweat band in a hat.
Loved the patent talk. This is why Minnmax is so important to support.
For JeffM: Legend of Grimrock 2 is an amazing modern Dungeon Crawler. Skip those trash early ones and play this masterpiece!
Soak hats in a bucket of water overnight, then hang it out to dry. Try different detergents or stain removers in the water to see which works best of your hat :3
16:48 Spaghetti Eastern
where are the Udon Westerns?!
Cowboys in a samurai movie style? I'd watch it
@shifting_tides you do realize that has been the trope for the past 60 or so years right. It's literally the whole thing. Westerns are just samurai movies set in the wild west and vice-versa.
I would easily listen to Haley talk about gaming and ip law for hours.
Haley's patent section was like turning over a rock and finding all sorts of creepy crawlies. Jeez, Nintendo. Are they doing okay, financially? Are they not making enough money?
There games sell a lot, they opened a museum, its just too assert power I don’t think its like they are struggling financially actually thats not even the case, and its also not like they sue companies over patents regularily, cause that would go badly its literally when they feel its violating something, nintendo isn’t gonna sue yo kai watch digimon lol.
Sprinting is different from long distance running. It’s all about the fast twitch muscles. Ben might very well win the race.
3D underwater levels are cool in video games, if you look at the indie scene Subnautica, Another Crab's Treasure, or going back Ninja Gaiden had good underwater sections, Bayonetta 2 also.
2025 is so ridiculously stacked with potentially some of the best games released in the past decade
6:00 “There is one remake everybody wants, and they would have been super happy if they showed it.” - Jeffm
Me petting my cracked PS1 jewel case for Trasher: Skate & Destroy in my lap like Doctor Claw, “Yes Jeffm, tell the world what must be done. One remake to bind them all.”
I also say... don't buy too many extra clothes if the parents don't ask for them: we have more newborn baby clothes than we can ever use (literally probably use once) the baby will outgrow them before we can get through them all. We have also gotten outfits that make zero sense (newborn summer clothes for a fall/winter baby) etc.
Something my buddies and I do is a 'diaper party' basically all the guys get together as an alternative to a baby shower (usually at a bar, or someone hosts a BBQ) and each guest has to bring a box of diapers, size doesnt matter, they will get used.
Audio quality is so much more important than video quality. Leo is totally right.
Thinking about naming characters, when I first got Breath of the Wild I asked my then 8 year old niece what I should call my horse. She suggested Clip Clop, and so Clip Clop it was. It was very cute realising Clip Clop was still around in Tears of the Kingdom, my niece being 14 by that point
I just want to say how much I appreciated the JeffM fading out of existence edit. Whoever that was (Charles maybe?) - great job, I laughed.
@ 1:30:54 It's SO crazy that Ben brought that up... I'm mean brought up the fact of the word "that" is usually not being needed. I remember like 10 years ago, Kyle actually brought this up on the GI Podcast and it stuck in my head every since.
Also, LONG TIME FIRST TIME, BABYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
Guild Wars 2 has good underwater fights
Sekiro had some good ones too.
1:29:00 That's a fun editing insight from Leo. The jokes on his essays are so well edited and always make me laugh. Good advice Ben, and good execution Leo!
Between the UFO 50 discussion, the Haley rant and the great patreon questions/answers awesome episode!
For ideas to do in person I think the obvious is the long awaited MinnMax human pyramid and synchronized swimming extravaganza.
Go hang a salami!
1:23:02 lmao that caught me off guard
Editor like: "do i get to take artistic liberty" 😂
I teach technical writing and Hailey's comment on the overuse of the comma was on point. And, yes, the judicious use of the M dash can add some punch to your expression... Your team would be wonderful guest speakers for all your varied and engaging business experience. My students would love you... Keep up the great work! 🎉
Language, is entirely, arbitrary,
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but if UFO50 was haykeys 50th game then she's only played 99 games ) :
UFO50 contains 50 games but is also technically a game itself, so you can count it as 51 games - bringing her total up to 100!
I'm the only person on this planet that thought the State of Play was pretty great?!
Kelsey speaks the truth in regards to MH fans and new games. We’re always happy with whatever comes next. Though Wilds seems to be pushing things with the environments more than any others.
Also glad to learn Kelsey is such a big fan! Def will be interested to hear what she thinks about Wilds at demo/ release time.
Game patents are so BS and Haley's rant was right on!
1:14:14 PS I'm losing braincells watching this Palworld gameplay
Haley really just taught me more about video game patents in 20 minutes than I've learned about anything else in a week
BTW, I think Delsin Rowe is an anagram of "New Soldier"
Hey where’s Haley’s GALOT in the link?…or am I just blind? lol.
Says a lot about the state of the gaming industry that the topic that takes up the most time in this video is UFO 50 and it basically entirely positive. I think this game is a GOTY release that SHOULD beat out a lot of other AAA titles.
Hailey, you are in the clear, I have never washed a beanie in my got dang life and it has never been gross.
The ufo 50 talk makes me want to play it.
1:44:11 I know it was said in jest, but my wife was so excited to submit her first ever question, and she was sooo deflated because Hanson described it as pandering lol. I think she was talking about our baby "listening" to MinnMax with us while she was pregnant.
i think Hanson must struggle some with depression
the idea that something he started and is a voice in would mean that much to somebody gets him doubting and second guessing the truth of his worth --- he's attempting to stay humble and i think it backfired in this case
Honestly, that did feel like a weirdly dismissive description of a listener email and I'm sure Ben would feel bad about it on reflection.
@charoleawood that said, I really don't think it's helping anything to speculate about the man's mental health
@@alex2217
yes, it is speculation on my part
but i'm not trying to stigmatize depression
to me being a little depressed is perfectly normal
we can be more understanding when there are perceived insensitivities because we all deal with feeling a little depressed from time to time --- it'd be strange if we didn't
I'm guessing the Asheville meet-up is off, considering the weather over the weekend.
Correct.
@@minnmax bad times for North Carolina, among others. Man I hope the original responder who suggested the place got through ok.
Ben forgot Super 56, The Warioware inspired indie game where EVERYTHING is controlled by 1 button.
The whole part about Ben always making black women as his custom characters and not wanting applause or to be treated like a hero was making me crack up. Then when he said he wanted the statue of him to be a black lady, I was cackling 😂
Very cruel to make fun of Delsin Rowe when another Sony State of Play went by without an InFamous 1&2 Remake/Remaster announcement. 😫😮💨
Why does Ben feel he needs to defend every corporation?
People didn’t want a remaster and he feels he needs to champion it? Why? You don’t owe corporations anything.
I didn't need a Horizon remaster but a $10 upgrade with completely reworked animations to bring it up to Forbidden West standard is honestly not even worth getting upset about.
They've done far more egregious things even this month
Same reason you feel the need to bash em. Everyone can do what they want.
Whats the name of the site in Haley's GALOT?
Only Hanson could make me laugh at a joke like this 1:28:28
I’m with jeffm, those are different questions for the baby registry part
I would add to the Patent discussion, that this also a case of "Don't hate the player, hate the game.", because Haley MacLean left out some important details, when she talked about the small Japanese company being sued and "destroyed" by Nintendo, she left out the fact, that the smaller Japanese company tried to patent "Touch Analog controls" and make other developers pay for their patent. Then Nintendo sued them, because Nintendo had the patent first, but just didn't enforced them. Also there was the huge case, where Nintendo was sued from some Parent Trolls over the Wiimote in Texas.
As much as it is dangerous for Nintendo to weaponize the patent, claiming patent is also a defensive move, so that nobody can take those and use it against yourself.
MacLean is still right, that Parent law is crap and needs to be changed, so that software patents don't get give away like candy. Still Nintendo using them to attack a competitive developers, which clearly infringed their IP but they can't prove it somehow (?), isn't a good look.
1:35:00 big agreed on the mouthfeel. If you’re not needing crunch, I’m out.
I mean Horizon Zero Dawn remaster does look significantly better. I feel like it is pretty disingenuous to make out it doesn’t look much different. And I am speaking as someone who played it for the first time last year.
One way MinnMax could get better is not to make so many bad faith, disingenuous arguments.
I find it a bit funny how there's this idea that theres nothing to play on PSVR2. PSVR2 games are coming out every week. Yeah, a lot of them aren't from big notable publishers, but there are 327 PSVR2 games either out already or coming out at some point.
It just seems a bit foolish to me to invest in an expensive sony device that sony isn't supporting when I could buy a vr system which is also getting all of these games and does get support.
@@reed1645 Really? What's the meaningful difference between PSVR2 and the Valve Index? No one's saying the Index is dead, yet it probably has less first party offerings than PSVR2.
@@Hazz3r I didn't say index, just a vr headset that's actually going to get support. Does psvr2 actually have any first party games? The only one I heard about was that horizon one which i'm personally not fussed on.
@@reed1645 There's not a whole lot of VR headsets to choose from, especially with your qualifier: "actually get support". If the Index isn't the alternative you're talking about then what is?
Horizon, Gran Turismo, and Firewall Ultra.
@Hazz3r I was thinking meta quest myself as a potential purchase but honestly psvr2 is probably bottom of the list. It really does seem quite dead plus the whole no backwards compatibility thing doesn't make me feel confident in buying from sony.
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i thought it was Namco what patented the playable mini games on loading screens, not Sega
@10:33 Uncharted 4 and The Lost Legacy bullet speed mode. Max Payne 3
Nice drip, Ben.
I’m SO SICK of people complaining about the remasters. Are they necessary? Probably not. Does the complaining change anything? Nope.
I honestly prefer remasters nowadays to the unoriginal garbage stuff coming out now. These are the "new IPs" everyone is talking about wanting? No thank you.
That is such boomer bs. Final Fantasy 16, FF Rebirth, Elden Ring, God of War, Zelda TotK, Diablo, Dragons Dogma 2, Alan Wake 2 and on and on are all great games. Did you own an NES where half the games were licensed trash?
But they said it right here, studios and devs are wasting time and money on something that didn't need a remaster, you could have had a new game announcement instead of that in this showcase.
I'm all for remasters and remakes but make them for the games that actually deserve it, like Romancing Saga 2 getting a 3D remake? Definitely worth it. A remaster that makes Horizon look slightly nicer? Not so much.
It was all worth it for the Ghost Of Yotei reveal. Guess I *will* be buying a Pro in 2025 at least....
The reaction to the Horizon Remaster is exacerbated because people are starting to foam at the mouth for a Bloodborne Remaster. Because I think a lot of people would be really happy if someone spent some time porting it to PS5 and getting it to run at 60FPS. The optics of spending a bunch of time on a game that "they don't care about" just increases the annoyance.
My one caveat with Horizon's remaster is that they are backporting the Accessibility options from Forbidden West which is fantastic, even if it's a shame that its rolled into a product that Sony's charging money for, instead of an update to the original game.
If you like palindromes, listen to the song Bob by Weird Al.
The mispronunciation of Yotei was a little bit painful, not gonna lie. Gives me flashes of Mike Minotti mispronouncing Shin Megami Tensei lol. Too bad Sarah wasn't there to help. Great episode as always though!
I stopped my shower to say cheese as a main ingredient on a taco? then ben said "on a hardshell"...
I'm disappointed in the patent rent. I can understand hating the system but it really felt like "poor indie dev vs big bad company".
You claimed that Nintendo loves sueing the competition but when did they actually do that? (Outside the one case from 2018 and the new one)
You also barely mentioned the Colopl case and left out the important parts to make Nintendo look bad.
Colopl was a patent troll and wanted other developers to pay them. Nintendo had a similar patent so they sued Colopl instead.
It doesn't even matter what happens in the Palworld case. Colopl was the bad side and not the "poor small mobile dev".
Nintendo does not fight their biggest competition in the court room. There are many Pokémon inspired games and Nintendo actually supports some of them.
Yo-kai Watch was bigger than Pokémon in Japan for a short time (or at least close) but that didn't stop Nintendo from publishing the game outside of Japan.
Pocketpair is also a bad company to protect. Their recent games are just "inspired" by BotW/Pokémon and the CEO orders his workers to plagiarize other companies and says creativity is not needed. At least one (former?) employee attacked their CEO on twitter and was/is suicidal because of the working conditions and the guilt of having worked for the company.
Their initial PR response is just an excuse to explain delayed feature updates and an attempt to position themselves as "the representative" for indie games.
That might've worked for reddit and games journalism in the west but the reception of this case in Japan is basically the opposite.
I would've loved a patent rent based purely on the system and how Haley would improve it.
Getting patents without enforcing them to stop other companies from patent trolling sounds like a good solution to a bad system to me.
Mixing the argument with two cases where the sued companies are clearly in the wrong but are protected because they are indie made it a bad rent.
D4's new expansion gonna be fire, top bad it's over Minnmax's head lol
Ben unironically defending every single aspect of the state of play was a tough watch.. it’s okay to be critical of things you enjoy.
And it's also fine to wanna defend them if that's how you feel about it. I don't agree with him either but I don't need my opinion about that presentation to be validated by his.
As a former preschool and kindergarten teacher, I was surprised to hear Hailey (I think) say that The Giving Tree was no longer used in schools. So I looked it up, and could only find that it was banned in Colorado a long time ago, and there’s been some controversy about what the author’s intentions were. It seems to be used for a variety of reasons still, not just as a straight take. So I’m not sure what she was talking about here. 🤷♂️
More anecdotal, as in younger teachers are choosing not to use it not a governmental mandate or anything. My sister is a teacher and she and every other teacher she knows detests that book and will not let it in their classes haha.
Monster Hunter has good under water fights
You recorded this after State of Play, but have no segment talking about Like a Dragon: Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii that was announced on September 20th? Shame on you. That's extremely disappointing. I would have cancelled Patreon description after something like this if I had one.
The patent rant, was super hyperbolic and I wish you were more concise.Your message while fair just gets misconstrued with exaggeration, and presenting pocketpair as small inocent devs isn’t what I would do, despite thinking it would be good if they won.The intricacies of game patent law was good I just think the discussion on nintendo use off it was not presented beyond ugh they are shitty and destroy competition when thats not even the case or ever been a prevalent part pf there business, a cease and desist on a fangane is more destroying competition than the nintendo patent stuff.
Algo
I don’t think you guys realize how negative you’re being about Horizon. A lot of Horizon fans are genuinely excited to play, but the way you react to the game makes others mirror your attitude, especially people who have never played it before. It’s like you’re unintentionally pushing them to never even try or care about the game. When Horizon first launched, people were curious and excited, but now it seems like everyone is hating on it for no real reason, just copying each other’s reactions.
It's hilarious that a Patreon show that's one bad month away from shutting down thinks it's dunking on one of the most successful new videogame franchises of the last decade.
@Feanaro5503 You seem like you have some personal issues that you’re taking out on others. Hope you get the help you need.
Hyped when i saw the headlines for Soul Reaver but it looks like s*** compared to what can be done today
Spiderman 2 Remastered in 2025? Concord Remastered in '26?
Death stranding is going to bomb so hard lmao
Nobody wants a ps exclusive this gen, just calling it now
Yup, it's going to be Alan Wake 2 situation all over again
Anytime anything technical regarding videgames comes up you can count on Minnmax, and Haley especially, to have the worst possible takes imaginable. It's amazing you have that many people on the podcast and not a single one of them has a clue about how games are made.
Thanks for watching The MinnMax Show!
"We haven't been getting Playstation games these days." - In a year in which Stellar Blade, Rise of the Ronin, Astrobot and Helldivers 2 came out, that is a really bizarre opinion. I understand shitting all over Playstation is the cool hipster gamer (aka Minnmax) thing to do, but why say things that are just out and out wrong?
Only one of those is a 1st party game.
@@minnmaxThey're still all SIE published games though. People have no issue labelling Death Stranding or Bloodborne part of their portfolio even though they weren't first party.
For people who are covering games, you guys come off as uninformed and know jack shit about em
Video games mechanic patents are fine. People are just being too emotional as if every single indie game is hidden gem. In 2023, 14k games released to steam. Most of the indie games are garbage shovelware like Palworld. Very few of the are actualy good. Talented devs will manage to walk around patents. Hoping Nintendo to put PocketPairs into their place.
tacos are just meat, cilantro, onions and salsa. anything else is a bastardization of the greatest food on earth.
Let people have their fun/food. There's more than one way to skin a taco
1:28:30 Ben - secret Forsaken stan. Noted
Having sports teams as franchises is a microcosm of how much the USA is such a belligerent society.
1:30:00 Sorry, MinnMaxCrew, but I really gotta disagree with almost everything stated in this grammar discussion. I happen to agree with James Joyce in his work Ulysses or John Kennedy Toole in his work The Confederacy of Dunces that conforming your speech to not be conversational and to instead kowtow to regular grammar and syntax can absolutely obstruct your original intent. I just so happen to be writing the first book of my own right now in the style of these two writers and maybe it seems as though Hayley is not going to be a big fan of it, but her sister might.
(^These are examples of sentences that kinda prove ma point if u catch me drift)