Can penalty shoot-outs be improved?
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Perhaps the most nerve-shredding component in competitive football, the penalty shootout. One vs one, shooter vs keeper. It's a simple and straight forward task, score the goal, win the game, miss and the opposition can win.
But surely there is a fairer way to divide the result of a game? Seb Stafford-Bloor explores the alternatives, Henry Cooke illustrates.
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#Penalties - กีฬา
managers racing from one end of the pitch to the other seems ideal to me
Have the manager piggyback a player of their choice
Egg and spoon race could be thrown in there too.
Let them do it while juggling a ball.
how about shoulder carrying the heaviest fan in the audience from each team?
🤣🤣🤣
I love the penalty shootout. It's not "fair" in the best possible way - it's a psychological test that resonates with invested fans, and it's also a rare opportunity for goalkeepers to take the spotlight
Yeah. But I would comeback with the rematch, but with less time (60 min?) and then the penalties. It seems less unfair (and we would have more games to watch).
not rare enough imo
@@Yngvar_ this is the worst idea I have ever heard no one will ever listen to you or respect you
@@Yngvar_ more games is the last thing football needs
@@Yngvar_ awful idea the players are already being stretched to their limits the last thing they want is more games
For all its flaws, penalty shootouts' positives, as described in the video, probably make it the best option, though the MLS style run-up is a nice variant. Maybe one little tweak I would suggest would be to have it be best of 7, rather than best of 5, to slightly lessen the impact of missed penalties on individuals & place more emphasis on the team as a whole.
Good idea. Why not make it every outfield player. Then it’s truly the full team.
@@MM-ev1fg I did consider that, although maybe that'd drag a bit much, plus with sendings off, it might actually benefit the team that incurred them if their best takers could go twice.
MLS run up is awful any half decent player can score
@@zoeysiddiqi1532 can't you make that exact same statement about a penalty from the spot?
@@nickhamblin8179 I would say sent of players automatically count as a failed attempt
Penalty shoot outs are one of the few things that non football fans would watch and then totally get the drama. Beautifully incorporates the glory and heartbreak of football.
Exactly thats why I love them so much
True, was just watching the Morocco Spain penalty shootout and my friends who don’t watch the sport said that this is the only thing entertaining about it
Penalty shootouts are stupid! A team could completely dominate another team on the pitch and still lose in a penalty shootout because shootouts are 50-50. A team of high schoolers could beat a world cup champion in a penalty shootout!
@Mihail Parshin Well sometimes the other team gets lucky or gets a favorable call. I've seen games where the best team hit the goal post 5 times and attacled relentlessly throughout the whole game outshooting the other team 20 shots to 5, got an unfavorable call and because of that remained tied after 120 minutes.
@Mihail Parshin No. The better team needs to blame the rules and we need to come up with something better that a stupid shootout. That is why FIFA has relentlessly searched for an alternative. Sounds like you would just go back to flipping coins to settle games. LOL. That's just hillbilly mentality!
I don't think there are any better alternatives to replace PSO. yes it takes a great deal of mental strength and also sometimes luck, but that's what make PSO perfect for football. With this, even underdogs like russia, croatia and morocco could upset bigger teams
The caveat is how to prevent abuses and condemnations towards football players who fail at PSO, especially online abuses
I would split the pitch in half (from the top of the 18-yard-box to the halfway line) and play next goal wins with only 5 players on each team. An added caveat could include each team sacrificing a player every 2 minutes without a goal. That would be so much fairer and more exciting than a penalty shootout.
The idea of other alternative is to prevent shock and upset for bigger teams and their fans.
@@the_one_the_only4651 great idea just replace our sport with Futsal...
It's a crapshoot, but boy is it exciting - I'm sure anyone who's ever experienced one in person will never forget it, isn't that what football is about?
I like the idea of using shots on goal or disciplinary records to settle ties. It will encourage more attacking play during regular time and prevent weaker teams from packing the bus for 120 minutes just hoping to bag an undeserved penalty shootout win. That’s been my biggest beef with shootouts. They’re often not a fair representation of who deserved to win the game.
Should be mentioned how exciting and nerve wracking penalty shoot-outs are. It's my mum's favorite moment of football, and I guess it's the same for other people who aren't big football fans but still watch worldcups and other major tournaments.
this is the first time i've heard of ADG and i liked it, but then you mentioned how shootouts are free from referee bias and i immediately thought of how controversial tackles could be in ADG.
Also you're giving all the advantage to the defenders, since they'll have 2 players while the attacker is only 1.
I have a suggestion to improve this: 2 Attackers (freely moving), and the defender and goal keeper can't leave the penalty box. Plus a time limit. Less contact, more strategy.
@@divyatulsi1520 That's an overwhelming advantage to the attackers, even more so than a penalty kick. Defender has to challenge the attacker with the ball - passes to other attacker in box - easy goal. 3 attackers, 2 defenders might work.
@@pizzashark7067 why not have 11 attackers and 11 defenders but the defenders can also score? Oh wait
Even without being in a FIFA committee 😁, I've discussed this with my friends before, and it's really hard to think of a better alternative to penalty shoot-out in football. And quite frankly, it's the favourite part for some people who don't really watch football. The tension and expectation can be beautiful to watch if you are a neutral.
I want to watch a match with the one player removal rule just once.
watch portugal vs the netherlands WC 2006 lol
@@andrewvu7865 I did. Battle of Nuremberg. I was thinking without the violence lol
watch NHL
I want to see a World Cup final five-a-side
@@andrewvu7865 LMFAOOOOO
No... penalties are exactly what their name indicates
PENALIZING both teams' inability to win the game in 120 min!!
It's supposed to be grueling and suffer... it's part of the drama of the game
Also it's very fair and clear... the ball either goes in or not... no room for misinterpretation from bad referees
Based
when you put it like that it does sound perfect....
I would favor this. If the score is level after 120 minutes, both teams are eliminated.
@@jstnrgrs Then who would qualify instead of them?
@@lawliet_4821 no one, there's just no winner this year. like ninja warrior
I believe there is a statistical advantage in going first on penalty shootouts, so a good way of tweaking them without changing the formula too much would be to just swap the order of the teams between shots, to make it fairer.
@Suba CHAD It has been tried by a few competitions. But from what I heard, officials found it too confusing and routinely messed up the cycle. I personally like the ABBA format (if we have to keep penalties) so learning who shoots first in each round, and what the consequences of each outcome will be, will need to be taught clearly and unambiguously.
I think that was attempted in some youth tournaments, but last I heard of it was in 2018 or so. It seemed like a fine idea on paper, and something I think is worth bringing back to a discussion on shootouts.
@subachad3269 Winner takes it all?
Statistically in the world cup the team that goes second has won more.
@@devanman7920 its an outlier then not a presentation of the statistics
Right on time to see this after spain was knocked out after failing every penalty shoot out
Clearly the people that run the channel have a time machine and know what will happen in the next games
Or they made their video in advance and release it at the most opportune time to increase viewership.
@@monicag.k.tambajong Or they saw what happened to Japan and decided to make a video about it.
...or they just knew that there would inevitably be at least one penalty shootout in the World Cup and were waiting for the right moment to release a video they had made in advance
Another alternative is doing the penalty kicks at the end of full time (before extra time starts) And the winner of the PSO is declared the winner if extra time ends in a draw. This takes away from the worst of the PSO while retaining the best parts. It also decreases the tactic of smaller teams playing just for the draw. It also allows the team that lost the PSO to attempt to win the game in extra time. And takes the pressure off the individuals taking the penalty.
I was about to suggest the exact same thing. This idea could really work!
I like the idea but what if it's still a draw after the extra time? back where it started
@@exgardevior then the winner of the penalty shoot would advance
This is the best alternative i've read from all the comments, and one I think would work and add real excitement to the following extra time as the penalty shootout losers would really have to go for it
Nah...
I’m all for people giving their opinions… but some of the suggestions I’ve read so far are comical, they almost sound like training drills i would’ve done in juniors😂😂
If penalties weren't traditionally accepted you could say the same about them.
@@ryansmith-jr4gn Never said otherwise.
@@jameswright21 but penalties are traditionally accepted?
My only suggestion is that there should be more penalties, perhaps ten. Part of the current issue is that players who ‘step up’ are then vilified for missing. If every outfield player was expected to take one, and the manager determined the order, players would have less pressure on them. Missing one penalty out of ten is then no big deal.
maybe seven would be ideal. ten would have too many players take the shot
@@qazburger2461 wouldn't always reach 10 if a team miss a few in a row like spain.
also means there's far less pressure on the first few so you would put weakest first which is good.
but there would be a dilemma of who to choose with 7 because you wouldnt want your weakest to take them, but should all be equal, you're having the weakest taking sudden death pens.
but yeah 20/22 pens seems a lot
Yeah no players still get abuse over missing 1/11 unfortunately.
@@sinewybug8415 20 pens seems a lot… after 120 minutes of football? Pens take a few second each and there’s already often more than 10
As a football fan, penalties are one of my favorite things about the game. It is harsh when it happens to your team but I think it is just crazy to watch. It just ends the game. It is harsh but intense and brings all of the emotions out.
Tifo putting Kane on thumbnail: I am somewhat of a time-traveller myself.
I like the ADG idea. One other idea I have as an attempt to minimize penalty shootouts in tournament play, is one I recently thought of when reflecting on Croatia making it to the 2022 semi-final without having more than 1 non-penalty shootout win. The idea is that during the tournament, for every penalty shootout a team participates in, they accrue one "miss" in subsequent shootouts. So for a team in a second shootout, they begin with a "miss" on the penalty score sheet, for a third shootout, they begin with 2, and so on. While teams can still win a penalty shootout while beginning with 1 or more misses, it clearly grants an advantage to teams who haven't had previous shootouts. The idea is to discourage teams from grinding games down to a tie in hopes of beating what might be a better opponent in a penalty shootout. So it doesn't get rid of the shootout, but it offers some incentive for teams to be more aggressive in winning a game before it comes to a shootout.
Park the bus to win for reasons you didn't create
I’ve seen people saying penalties in regulation are also problematic as a single, sometimes unintentional or inconsequential, moment can define the result of a game by being punished with a roughly 75% chance of a goal. I think this problem and the one with penalty shootouts can be solved by simply moving the ball back. By lowering the chance of scoring, it is isn’t as big of a punishment for something potentially irrelevant, and lowers the expectations for takers in a shootout, decreasing the pressure and amount of abuse players may get from missing
My idea is to play the shootout before the period of extra time.
Say Italy play Brazil, and Brazil win the shootout held immediately after the 90 minutes. You then go into extra time knowing that if both teams are still level at the end, the match is awarded to Brazil.
If Italy managed to get a goal in ET, then they win instead.
Sort of makes the shootout result like a half goal.
This would mean that rather than the game being decided entirely by spot kicks, the two teams would at least be able to play some football to determine a result.
This is honestly a great idea. It gives one of the teams an advantage in the ET, and forces the other to push for a change of outcome. I really like it.
Really like this idea
After 90 minutes, each team takes 2 penalties each then plays 15 minutes of extra time, then another 2 penalties followed by another 15 minutes. Add the total score from the penalties and extra time together and use sudden death penalites if needed. It would force a team to attack if they end up behind after a round of penalties.
Love this idea! Keeps most of the drama of penalties but winning the match ultimately depends on the entire team in extra time
Lame
So: Argentina - France 2:2
Mbappé scores, Messi scores, Martinez saves Coman's shot, Dybala scores. (i.e. 4-3)
Fifteen minutes of extra time follow. They remained scoreless.
Two more penalties: Tchouameni misses - Paredes scores - Kolo Muani scores - Montiel scores. This would have made it 6-4.
And in the second fifteen minutes of extra time, Messi and Mbappé score. This would mean it is a 7-5 win for Argentina.
The pressure of penalties is part of the magic you cant change it leave the game alone ffs
Great quality video brav keep up the good work brav much love.
Penalties work pretty well (it's only occasionally you get some shootouts that go on for over twenty shots each). If you want to try to address the issue of individual jeopardy, then you could add scenarios involving more players. Eg attacking corners, attacking free kicks where all the players on the team are involved.
I could imagine the tussle during the corner kick anticipation will become a hotbed of arguments (fouls, offsides, etc).
You're them welcoming refereeing bias into it, plus the chances of teams scoring from them is low, and you could be there for ages
@@yohannessulistyo4025 Halve or less, the number of players, for ease of refereeing. You've now got 3 officials available (bring one lino onto the field)
I think it could be improved by moving the spot back and shifting the competitive balance more towards the keeper. Making the scores more challenging makes them - perhaps- more exciting which is what the current system doesn’t really allow for. Maybe the spot becomes a small arc to create some potential for different shots as well. Give the shooter one touch to keep the keeper honest. Idk.
I want them to make a rule for the penalty takers. They should not be able to run up to the ball and stop in order to try to trick the keeper. It should be one smooth movement to the ball, no skipping, or freezing, just one smooth movement to kick the ball in the goal.
I’d rather move the penalty further away from the net say at the edge of the penalty box.
They're only allowed to stutter, they aren't allowed to stop. If you watch Jorginho or Fernandes, they never completely stop, just suddenly slow down right before the kick
@@Gremunky One smooth movement,that includes no stuttering. If goalkeepers have to stay on the line, there must be some restrictions for penalty takers too.
@@andrebrown8969 there are restrictions, just like I said. See Heung-Min Son's disallowed penalty against Fulham in 2018, he stopped before he kicked the ball, so it got disallowed. As long as the player doesn't fully stop, it's legal. They're allowed to vary the speed at which they approach
@@Gremunky I don't them to vary their speed. One smooth movement. You either approach quickly or slowly or somewhere in between that. No varying of speed.
I still like Golden Goal best...."next goal wins it" was always good enough for us as kids
So Liverpool winning the FA cup final in 1971on Golden Goal would be an improvement on watching Charlie George score that fantastic winning goal in the second period of extra time? Golden goal was the worst option ever IMO. In some matches the best part of the game occurs in extra time.
@@djfez58 of course it does, but I'm not sure we are really querying the merits of extra time it self. Had CG's goal been the first scored in ET then, in your own words, that would have been a "fantastic" goal to win a game......anyway, I think the video suggests none of the solutions are perfect so I guess it'll still be penalties for a while yet 🙂
Mate the video literally said it was disliked by many
It works for hockey
But that would tire out the players even more. Causing injuries and more. Imagine you play for 200 minutes and still fail to score the next goal
I would love to see ADG trailled in some tournaments. I enjoy the drama of a penalty shootout but what i absolutely hate is a game where both sides refuse to take chances and basically just fitter away 120 minutes to get to that point. Ideally something to fix that would be nice.
I think a major issue is what to do with fouls. Like if I need to defend Messi I will just foul him every time. Replaying is obviously not desirable. We can also just allow free kicks and penalties but that would just defeat the purpose
Can't believe you didn't mention the perfect system: MULTIBALL!
With 2x multiplier for the special golden ball
I don’t think there is any player who experienced the cruel beast of penalties like Roberto Baggio. An amazing player who’s career is mostly remembered for the most high profile penalty miss. And he never really got over it.
This video just got recommended after England’s departure from Qatar 2022 world cup in the Quarter finals. The thumbnail for this vid in relation to penalties was such wild timing💀
1:51 - Nice Infinity War reference
As Italian who had to suffer big losses and incredible victories with all mentioned methods, I still prefer to retain the psychological PSOs style
You are also not minding the physical efforts players put into action over 120+ minutes, which is very needed to be considered to avoid extra physical stress (And I highly doubt that adopting the ADG model will reduce the psychological impact)
Moreover, as I like Underdogs stories, and I love GKs showcasing their penalty-saving skills, it's better to preserve PSOs.
Haha, I'm English and I agree. Most alternatives fail to consider the detrimental impact they will have on the regular 90 minutes. e.g., indefinite extra time or ADG completely change substitution strategy.
except underdogs are far less likely to win a penalty shootout, since underdog teams have less experience with them since they're in tournaments less often. like for example Japan v Croatia in the world cup, the general consensus was that japan was the better team in regulation time, but Croatia had far more experience in pens. Not to mention that if teams know they have an advantage in penalties it makes extra time negligible since they virtually park the bus for the whole 30 mins
A free kick shoot out where players can line up from any chosen spot on the D of the penalty area would be interesting.
Regarding penalty shootouts, they may not always reward the better team, but it's hard to top the drama of penalties. I love watching them as a neutral and I'm constantly on my feet pacing when my team is involved in one.
If all else fails, have extra time where the keepers can't use their hands. 😅
I also think a free kick shootout would be a good idea, but I think the ball placement should be a little bit farther away. And the play would be over once the ball touches the ground.
A free kick shootout would be interesting but it might be too slanted the other way - too hard to score rather than 80% chance of scoring. I don't know what the average conversion rate is for free kicks but I assume it's low.
@@pcoccoli
But it will be fair for all side.
@@pcoccoliput a limit on the number of people in the wall would solve that. or used a fixed training wall
Nothing will ever be able to replace the tension that comes with a penalty shootout, the yes or no outcome makes it definitive and thrilling.
Always right on point
Speaking of pens my tinfoil hat theory is that all the players are afraid to put this world cups ball in the air on pens. It seems to be taking flight higher and quicker than normal. I could be trippin but I’m convinced 😂
I also had the same thought. You saw players such as Kimpembe, and Maguire blasting it in the top corner during the Euros. And in general, the shootouts in the Euros and Copa Americas saw the ball hit the roof more often than not.
The way Japan or Spain took their Pk's, I had the same doubt
seems reasonable
Think the problem with ADG is you'd end up with marginal fouls with 2 minute VAR breaks to determine outcomes of individual rounds. You'd get situations where it stays 0-0 deep into round 8-9. How would you choose who the D is? (whoever is chosen would then be more fatigued if their penalty was coming up). Would it need to be rotated as with attacker?
They could try moving PK's to after 90 mins and use it as a tie breaker if no one scores after 30 mins of extra time. Would make ET more fun!
I like it. It creates a more attack vs defence dynamic, rather than maintaining a stalemate into extra time as we already saw 90 mins play out and end in a draw anyway. Someone else in the comments proposed a similar idea where the winner of pens after 90 earns 0.5 goals, followed by extra time where the losing team is now more strongly incentivised to attack.
1:55
Throwing in Infinity War blip dialogue was a touch of class
As has been stated in the video, the penalty shootout really has no rival in it's clarity, effectiveness and adherence to the spirit of the game. If a side like Japan and Spain aren't good at penalties, it's as good as saying they weren't good enough to win the game.
If anything, it demonstrates how disproportionately little focus is put into being good at penalties. Teams will min-max every aspect of a game then make tactical clangers in the deciding moment.
Just swap the order of Penalties and extra time. If a teams wins the shootout, they only have to draw in extra time to go through. If the team loses, then they have to win at extra time. That way, the game can end with us watching actual football
ooo actually good idea ngl
No then the team that wins the shootout will park the bus
@@salvadorjimenez1467 and its the other team's responsibility to break through
@@beard6329 boring af then
That’s a brilliant idea but what happens if the other team scores a goal in the extra time proceeding the PSO?
I have a nice tweak to penalties, the shoot out could be done first, then the winner given an advantage point, afterwards the extra time is played, and the team with an advantage could win either by a draw or a win, and the other team must win the extra time.
This should reduce the randomness and the cruelty of the PSO, and create more competitive exciting extra time rather than the traditional cautious and dull ones.
“Mr. Stark, i don’t feel so good..” lol
Could try moving the penalty spot back a little bit
Am I wrong for thinking alternating corners? Just swap out goalies and reposition. It would almost have to be a timed attempt but could work. Or a small touch line hash mark where it has to cleared by without being timed. Am I wrong?
I hate penalties, so I love this idea. I would suggest maybe having only reduced players (especially defenders) so that it wouldn't take too many attempts to score.
@@trevorvanderwoerd8915 definitely a good idea.
i really like the one player off idea. if it ever came to a 1 on 1 it would be cool to see
Idea: Flip the order to Extra Time and Penalties. After the 90 minutes ends in a draw, the game goes straight to penalties. The winner the shootout gains 0.5 of a goal (for instance the scoreline would read 2.5-2), and then we commence with 30 minutes of Extra Time - in which one team must eventually win but the team that were better from the spot gaining a fair advantage. This not only reduces the heartache of missing the deceive pen as the team will have time to change the outcome, it also solves the issue of ET periods often being slow, dull spectacle as losing team will have the incentive to go and attack!
Really good idea!
What if it ends in a draw after penalties and ET? There's no definitive outcome.
@@praveenmitikiri9481 you can’t score a half a goal. That’s the point with the penalties being before extra time
@@chrisgarry22 It's not literally half a goal, it just means that whoever wins extra time goes through but if extra time is a draw then the team that won the shootout goes through. So if Morocco won the shootout, Morocco would go through with a draw but Spain would have to win by 1 goal to win (can be thought of as Morocco going through 0.5-0 if they draw and going out 0.5-1 if they lose)
Sounds overcomplicated and boring
It's fine the way it is
As someone who played as a keeper, penalty is too easy of a task to fairly settle two teams. Even amateur players can score a penalty at a high percentage, which means the skill difference between the two teams is basically eliminated in the shootout. I like the idea of moving the spot for shootout further away, maybe the edge of the box. That way the shootout still keeps all of its advantages, but the skills of both the players and the keepers matter much more.
Elite sport is all about heroes and villians. Nothing is more brutal or magnificent illustration of this than Football's penalty shootout. It should never go. if players aspire to win tropheis and world cups, then they should accept penalty shootouts are a potential pitfall of that path to greatness. Penalty shootouts are possibly the most tense and greatest illustration of what makes sport great.
I love the attacker, defender, goalie model. I want to see it in action!
Penalties are a bit like qualifying in F1, both are the best way to sort the best from the rest under pressure, and completely under appreciated purely because of the amount of time they have been used in their respective sports. They aren’t perfect sure, but the alternatives are far far worse propositions
Why would anyone change the penalty shootout?
The joy of winning would never be so great, if the misery of losing would be reduced.
And yes it is supposed to be a mental meat grinder for the players. Kicking a penalty is easy for any professional player, the mental part is the interesting bit.
I still think there is life in golden goal with making some rule changes, maybe something like the backcourt rule from basketball, I think Stefano Pioli talked about it a while back. Although very possible you could end up with a lot of fouling and teams OK to boot it down field and constantly turn the ball over to eachother to run down time
That Thanos SNAP! reference was extremely on point! 😂
I like the idea of the ADG model however I think 2v2 would be better as it would encorperate all 10 outfield players for each team... this way the encorperation of teamwork and cohesion would be mixed in and be in more of the spirit of football
I was thinking 2ADG: 2 attackers v. defender and goalkeeper. That appeals to me more than ADG.
How about 3v3? You can have 1 player as the third man run.
Finally the first one here . Another great video
I've got a idea go to set pieces or corners for tied games that run out of extra time.
I ask my question again. Was the issue with the Kindle version of the How to watch football sorted? I saw reviews how the Kindle experience was horrible
Tifo getting this out before England lose on pens in the quarter finals again
Penalties are great for spectators though. Pure drama.
I like the idea of dueling corner kicks. It might take a little longer but it preserves more of the game.
The best solution LAST GOAL RULES:
1. Penalty shoots will be before overtime
2. If some team score more goals than other, this team wins.
3. If both teams scores goals, but still draw, who score last goal win
4. If both teams don't score goals, team who win penalty shoots, win a game.
So in overtime every minute we have team who leading games, and team who is losing games. If someone score goal, other team have good change to win game, so them need just score goal
I think pentalties shoot outs should stay forever. A quick, simple and packed with emotions solution.
Honestly I actually like the ice hockey style shootouts the NASL and early MLS had and actually wouldn’t mind if FIFA and UEFA adopted it
Sure I’m also big Ice Hockey fan (which might be why I prefer it) but personally I like it as it’s less guess and luck based that the current way is and is instead much more based on the skills of the attacker and goalkeeper
The ADG proposal is actually kind of similar except a defender is added
Field hockey made the switch from football style to ice hockey style and I think it's better for it. The one difference being that the ball can go backwards so rebounds count too. You simply have 8 seconds to score. Not sure how that part worked in the MLS implementation
@@skintythe1andonly MLS shootout (and NASL, who also used it) you got one shot. It's a better simulation of an actual situation, but it does pose a non-minor risk of injury (fairly easy for the two players to collide). Pure sudden death works in hockey (but not often swiftly, playoff games going into a second 20 minute period are fairly common and exhausting even with subs). But part of it is that there isn't enough room to bunker (I've seen a shot beat the goalie, hit the crossbar the rebound go down the ice and be scored in the other end within 10 seconds). The problem with Soccer OT is that there is a LOT of empty space to waste time in, especially if the other team are pulled back (and they likely will be).
@@skintythe1andonly yeah 8 seconds is much better in hockey than strokes
Oh wow, I used to have Nigel Winterburn's Super Mega ADG Shootout back in the day!
Most attempts on target could be an interesting one... would reward attacking play and probably produce more goals.... could be trialled in a pre season tournament
I think they should take the pointing system from tiebreaks in Tennis. Basically that means anytime the aggregate of the score during penalties is an odd number they change the team taking the penalty. It would almost eliminate the issue of one team chasing the other.
They’ve done this before. I remember them experimenting with an ABBA penalty order instead of ABAB not too long ago. Idk why it stopped
The two point lead Idea would also be interesting
The answer is no. Penalties are the ultimate showdown and they are fair enough to establish a correct winner.
However, the way they are taken can certainly be improved because the ones we have been seeing at the World Cup were often atrocious lol.
All the fails in the shootout between Spain and Marocco were easily predicted by just looking at how these players approached the ball. It cannot be explained how top players are so terrible at shooting a ball 11 meters from the goal.
Yes but penalties cause weaker team to park the bus for 120 minutes. Yesterday's match was close to unwatchable due to how boring it was. Marocco knew they couldn't win without penalties so they only played defense for the whole game
Penalties are fair when both teams are trying to score but in the case of matches like this it's just killing what makes football entertaining
@@azerty1933 But they will get destroyed by overwhelming attack of portugal.Park the bus rule won't work on bigger teams
@@Blackpill149 even if it's not a reliable strategy it's still enough to cause some absolutely unwatchable games
I'd rather watch teams playing 7v7 then 5v5 after full time rather than watching 120 minutes of waiting for penalties
@@azerty1933 yes, but what else could Morocco do? They don't have the players to take Spain head-on.
And if Spain are so much better, than that superiority should translate to better quality of penalty taking/saving.
Nah man, you're just bitter Spain lost.
@@azerty1933 All weaker teams play on the counter and is a legitimate and very common football strategy. It will never go out no matter the changes you make, unless you are planning to completely change the sport into an 11-man basketball.
Saying Morocco only played defense is also highly misleading, considering that the best chances in the game in the first 90 minutes were almost all Morocco's and they only lacked finishing (Cheddira in particular was wasteful). Spain was just keeping possession for the sake of it without producing chances until the Moroccans started tiring, and even then there were only a few good chances that were never capitalised on.
1:15 That idea goes back even further than the MLS; to it's predecessor, the NASL in the 1970s. Only that was from the 35 yard line that was introduced in that league.
Like ice hockey, a player would start from the centre spot / circle having 20sec to score with the keeper staying on his line until the advancing player enters the box if he / she chooses to do so.
One idea I'm surprised not to have heard yet is to have some penalties in the shootout taken from further away - for example, the first three from the D. (Any more might bias it too much towards the favourites, who tend to have more technically gifted players.)
This would put more emphasis on scoring as an achievement, rather than missing as an embarrassment. To me, that is the biggest problem with penalties - that they tend to create "villains" rather than heroes and disasters rather than triumphs.
For a while now I've been a fan of no shoot-outs in major tournament finals. Obviously, in earlier rounds, there has to be a timely end for the sake of fitness moving on, but for the finals, they should just play until someone eventually scores.
My basic outline:
Keep playing 15-minute periods, switching sides each time. After the first (normal) extra time, each team gets an additional sub. Just keep playing and if it takes an extra hour so be it. If someone can't continue, you play down a man. Someone will score eventually.
In ADG, what happens if a foul is committed? Retake? Bookings?
Just to counter the last argument - id say the question of if the keeper is on or off their line is an example of how penalties aren’t purely objective
How about shrinking the field and making it a 5 vs. 5 or 6 vs. 6? Alternatively just move the goals to the sides so the short side of the field becomes the long side of the field. It'd become a game of Futsal basically. Temporary lines would have to be drawn but honestly that would ensure a goal goes in.
Honestly, reading these suggestions I can’t tell who’s joking and who’s not, that’s worrying😅
I like penalties and how intense they are.
I think ADG is a good idea, but it would be even better if it were a 2v2 + the goalkeeper scenario, with 5 attempts for each team. If tied, a 1v1 between the keepers.
I agree with the end part saying that penalty shootouts are definitve and not subjective, however they on ocassion don't escape controversy especially when officials fail to sanction a goalkeeper coming off his line. They have to be more firm on that and I would suggest finding deterrents for those "tippy tappy" run ups, they're not illegal, but it's a bit unfair on the goalkeeper who's already limited on his movement.
No
I've always felt shoots should be in this before format,
AB, BA, AB, BA and so on.. Statistically, iirc, 75% of shootouts are won by the team going second.
They did try that before and binned it [I think the Community shield was done that way once], but I do prefer that system. It's actually the team going first that wins 60% of the time.
Very interesting!
Has to be a crossbar challenge
These discussions only happen when there is an upset. It is fair. If a team deserved to win in the regular time or extratime they would have, with var this is more true.
Exactly that. And should there be a dubious decision such as the foul on Saka in the Euro 2020 final the referees including var should be made to give an explanation immediately after the match.
Set plays where one team attacks and the other defends, then swap. 3 each + Sudden death.
The ball can be placed outside the box in any position.
Defending team is allowed a wall of up to 3 people.
Each team is allowed 5 players in the penalty area (Not including the wall)
Each team has 10 seconds to shoot then swap over.
Whole team can be involved from both side, allows for some interesting arranged plays and dramatic moments.
This made me laugh lol, I’m gonna guess you’re American😂😂
That sounds like a training drill lol
@@kdburner7356 British Mate.
Have to say I prefer pens, but when I saw what criteria Fifa were after I made something to fit that criteria.
@@kdburner7356 By that standard, every set piece is a training drill. As are penalty shootouts themselves.
Golden goal and silver goal weren't really alternatives to the penalty shootout as panelties were still used if teams were tied after extra time. They were more alternatives to extra time. One option would be to use another statistic to use to determine a game winner such as shots on goal, possession, or discipline records. But none of those would provide the entertainment of the penalty shootout. The only change I'd make is to use both sides of the field to take penalties... ie, shoot at one goal for 3 pens, then the other for the rest of the shootout so no team gets an advantage shooting on front of their own fans
5 players of each team, a goalie, and a ball on each side of the field, first team to score wins
Swap the order of penalties and extra time. Win the penalties and you only need to draw extra time to go through. Lose penalties and you have to win in extra time. Makes extra time more meaningful and finishes a game with teams actually playing football
Think I like this one the best.
I really like this suggestion!
How about 5 rotating turns of a 3 v 2 attacking drill from the halfway line with a 45 second clock? Defenders objective is to kick the ball into touch. It would tie in with the growing interest in planned set piece's and would lead to exciting attacking moves that constantly evolve game to game. Imagine watching Haaland, De Bruyne and Foden run at Maguire and McTominay with de Gea in goal for the FA Cup final. You could restrict each participating players involvement to 3 separate drills to add in a strategic planning element between teams as they try to plan out whether to play the best players together or spread them out.
It has a little bit of an american football trick play or FIFA Street vibe to it, but it would be fun.
ADG reminds me of the one on ones that took place at the 2019 RugbyX tournament.
Bro just leave them as they are
I like the ADG idea a lot. Maybe do some trials in junior tournaments. I think it could be a significant improvement to PSO because it should take away most of the luck aspect and reward skilled players both on the attack and defence.
(F) hockey used to do the same penalties as football but has since changed it to a 1v1 with the keeper where you have 8 seconds to score, that was a massive improvement over the football style ‘strokes’
I’d be interested in seeing the creativity of individual players as well as how the goalkeeper would react due to the size of the goal.
@@herbertmorales333 yeah, in (f)hockey the goals are a bit smaller and the keeper has pads on so he usually runs out to create an acute angle but with football, the strategy would have to change.
I think PSO is one of the most interesting things of football and is basically impossible to replicate on any other sport. And is also very fair.
The penalty is condensed expression of the whole game. A attacker trying to score a gol vs a goalkeeper trying to stop a shot. It's takes the "luck" variable completely off the equation, there's no bounce/spin on the ball, there is no gust of wind, no other players to help/hinder anyone.
Yet the PSO is completely unpredictable because it takes every mental and technical skill from all the players involved. No alternative method can achieve that.
"It's takes the "luck" variable completely off the equation"
What are you on about ? It's quite the opposite: there is still very much luck involved. Have you actually seen a penalty shootout ? In most cases, keepers RANDOMLY CHOOSE a direction to dive. I know sometimes the shooters give away their intentions through either body language or eyesight, but those are RARE occurences, especially at high levels. So given that there are 3 main directions (left, right, middle) that mathematically results in a LUCK factor of 66% -> that's how many times the goalkeepers have no chance of succeeding, not because of lack of skill, but because of lack of luck.
Yes, I agree that PSOs are very good, but they are definitely NOT perfect. And the huge involvement of luck is precisely the PSOs biggest drawback.
When determining who is better, you want the complete opposite: as little luck involved as possible, ideally 0. That's why 66% is waaay to much.
The solution to this is, as others have pointed out, moving the kicking spot further back, so that keepers will not be forced to randomly choose a direction to dive, they would instead have to use their skill, reflexes and (jumping) strength to get to the ball.
Obviously, you don't want to move the spot too far back and make it too easy for the keeper. You want to find the sweetspot where the keeper can wait and see where to jump, but he still needs good reflexes, speed, strength, skill in order to pull of a save. And even when he does have all those down, he might still not get the save if the shooter kicks it very well (a powerful and well placed shot)
England fans wanting a penalties alternative. Lmao!!
I still think there could be better and the 1-on-2 variant seems like it's worth trying however, since more is now known about the psychology and analytics of penalty-taking, I find the current shoot-out more intriguing and less random and would be fine if it continued on.
Ok, hear me out. How about being able to take the ball and score from the rebound? If the ball goes out or is caught/pinned into the ground by the goalie, then the penalty is over, but if it hits the goalie or the frame of the goal, the taker can get the rebound as many times as they like until they score or the ball goes out or is caught/pinned into the ground by the goalie.
I like MLS old style penalties, but there is no way to make it fair
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