Time and the brain: the illusion of now | Hinze Hogendoorn | TEDxUtrechtUniversity
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- How does the brain generate a coherent stream of visual awareness, when different visual features are processed separately in different places in the brain and at different times? And how does it generate the illusion that we live in the present, whereas the neural processes underlying visual perception necessarily take time - thereby incurring delays that are long enough that we should notice them? These are some of the questions that his research seeks to address.
Hinze Hogendoorn is an assistant professor at the department of Experimental Psychology (Faculty of Social Sciences) at Utrecht University. His research interests lie in the temporal aspects of perception, particularly vision.
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What I do know for sure is, when I'm waiting to hit "skip" on a TH-cam ad, that last second is about three seconds long.
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I've had that same experience many times
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😂I wouldn't be surprised if it's an encoded feature... 😂freeze last second for three seconds.
What I get from this speech is that if you try to hit a fly while watching your eyes in a mirror, a tennis ball will hit you in the face seven meters before expected. In 0.10 seconds.
MrGilRoland 😂😂
Hmmm well so far in my past I have used a tennis raquet to swat flies, the space between the strings gives the fly a chance to win (as usually is their odds) but the fact you can use loose prediction as to where the fly is means you will hit 90% of flies at 130KmH and chop them into teeny bits.... sad part is you tend to hit stationary objects in your house with a tennis raquet more often LOL Luckily it is almost winter here, so there are very few flies right now and things are not being broken in the house! I have a scuff mark on the very corner of my 23" monitor from last summer ooops... lucky
I had a dog that was very good at killing flies flying about. He would follow them, visually monitoring their path for a few moments, then move to a position where the fly wasn't at yet but was waiting with mouth open to crush the fly and spit him out when he arrived. This happened in a fraction of a second. I don't think my dog was trying to calculate the fly's future location by his past flight path as it was too erratic. It seemed to me that he somehow knew exactly where the fly would be when he killed it. ESP? Who knows. I've had dogs that seemed very psychic.
Aside from ESP, your dog likely HEARD where the fly is, ours and dogs eyesight (with all post-processing required) is waaaaaay slower than hearing. I notice our dog is nearly equaly good at catching flies in complete darkness as in optimal light, and another giveaway, she does not allways look at the fly, she looks for obstacles not to bump into, but turns ears towards fly at all times ;-)
The fly does not really fly randomly, at least not COMPLETELY randomly, and the dog is good at learning and predicting non randomness in animal behaviour, it is how it can catch a prey that is a bit faster and has way sharper turning diameter and higher power to weight ratio, like a rabbit or something. Or it would go hungry and eventually extinct...
lmao ::))))best comment
He had the audience at the swapping of the eyes. Great connection. Good talk 😌
Our brains create the perception of time but it isn't real. "The distinction between the past, present and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion." Albert Einstein
TimeWillTell facts👏 all is now reflection
The quote is accurate and is Einstein BUT he is not saying (as far as I read relativity) that time does not EXIST ... he says quite clearly here that there is no DISTICTION between past present and future so rather than not existing they are all in existence at the same time, thus time does exist it is our perception of it that is wrong.
Yes, all time exist "at the same time" but our brains create the linear view of time passing, that is the illusion. You may like Brian Greene on The B-Theory of Time, it goes into all this.
Mind is one important dimension of time.
Einstein wasn't perfect but he was one of the smartest people that ever lived. It's pretty clear that Bohr won the debate he had with Einstein regarding quantum mechanics ( specifically in regard to quantum non-locality) Einstein saying, "God doesn't play dice with the universe" Bohr replying, "Einstein, don't tell god what to do."
Mind blowing!!! That's exactly what I have been pondering upon. Love to hear it from someone else with a better way of expressing the idea.
If time flying does in fact mean one will have more fun, would that also explain why humans get stuck in ruts? For example, when driving a route, the second time driving it often feels shorter than the first time. Under this logic it would mean the second drive was more enjoyable. This would back up the idea of why humans love routine; it feels shorter and thus it's more enjoyable. So, could the actual reason for why change is hard for people be because it feels as if it takes more time?
Honestly, this is one of the best ted talks ever held.
very good presentation.....👍👍👍
It means brain is the Time Machine we were searching for ages.
With that one can visit past, present and future all and again come back to exact present time without being lost....😇😁😇
@Zaoshi Kaba can you please name that short anime???
The content was good, but the presentation was not good. Alot of misspoken words, problems with pronunciation and confusion of terms.
I find it more accurate to speak of the mind in correlation to the notion of Time rather than speaking of the physical brain all the time
That prediction construct I call a sense of trajectory. I love that he spoke of that.
Actually this man is wrong about switching the stare at your own eyes into the mirror and not seeing your own eye movement from the left to the right and back to left eye and so on. Yes, you see it. But it is so fast that it seems like you are blind and actually you are not blind at all. You are just too slow for the seepd of light. When you look into the mirror and you look at your right eye, there is a certain distance that the light travels from the mirror to your eye and back to the mirror. It takes time to do that. Let's say the mirror is a half a meter away from your face. Round trip for light to the mirror and back is one meter and it takes light 3.35641 nanoseconds for that round trip. For the sake of argument if your eyeball moved faster than the speed of light (it is impossible to do that, but let's suppose), you would see the movement of your eyes switching from left eye to the right eye. But even when you do the switching of your eyeballs from left to right at the sepeed of light, the delay reflected from the mirror is existent. You see it but you are not aware of it because of the tremendous speed of light. Your brain catches that but cannot process it in such short time. You are not blind at all in that 3.35641 nanoseconds. It is due to the fact of the speed of light that you ''see' it but cannot notice it.
This proves the existence of an intelligent creator
I remember I was asking myself these questions in 1985, glad to finally have some answers, thank you for a great speech
Yes, I ve noticed that too...the first time the second hand moves is longer than the consequent move.
Yeah, it was a bit confusing..
The speaker deserves a prize for saying “Right?” fewer than 10 times per minute.
I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WON'T BE ABLE TO FIGURE OUT THIS SIMPLE CONCEPT, WHICH IS REALLY THE REAL MEANING OF ALL, YES ALL OF THE CONCEPTS IN THIS MOTIVATIONAL PRESENTATIONS, EMPOWERING OF ONE SELF, LEARNED BEHAVIOR, FOCUS, TIME MANAGEMENT, ACHIEVING SUCCESS, ETC... THIS SIMPLE CONCEPT THAT SIMPLIFIES ALL OF THE ABOVE IN NINE WORDS AND CHANGES OUR LIVES AND HELP US ACHIEVE THE MOST THAT THIS GIVEN LIFE-EXPERIENCE THAT WE LIVE IS THIS:
"THE POINT OF POWER IS IN THE PRESENT MOMENT" SO FORGET THE PAST, JUST USE IT AS FEEDBACK OF WHAT WAS DONE AND DON'T LOOK AT IT AS A MISTAKE BUT AS A SPRINGBOARD FOR THE EXPERIENCES LEARNED THAT HAS SHAPED YOUR LIFE INTO WHAT YOU ARE TODAY, NOT AS A WASTE OF TIME BUT AS ACCUMULATED KNOWLEDGE YOU CAN USE TO COMPARE YOUR POSITION IN THE PRESENT. ALSO, FORGET THE FUTURE WHICH DOESN'T EXIST YET, IT WILL ONLY BE WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT BY FOCUSING IN "THE PRESENT MOMENT" AND EMPOWER YOURSELVES.
For the tennis-ball-flying-at-you example, what seems to be happening is that (much like with the house-fly) the ballplayer is reflexively extrapolating based on the sense data, and then reacting not to the (time-lagged) sense data itself, but to his estimate of where the tennis ball will be. The "good" player can return the serve intentionally, consistently, and in multiple controlled ways. It's the same in baseball: the hitters often can't actually _see_ most pitches. They're reacting based on reflexes, guided by coaching and honed through extensive practice.
Outstanding talk.! The biological content is incredible, and the delivery of the brain and eyes activity is described perfectly by Hinze. The most incredible 16 minutes of my day. Thank you for bringing this to the TH-cam world!
Actually this man is wrong about switching the stare at your own eyes into the mirror and not seeing your own eye movement from the left to the right and back to left eye and so on. Yes, you see it. But it is so fast that it seems like you are blind and actually you are not blind at all. You are just too slow for the seepd of light. When you look into the mirror and you look at your right eye, there is a certain distance that the light travels from the mirror to your eye and back to the mirror. It takes time to do that. Let's say the mirror is a half a meter away from your face. Round trip for light to the mirror and back is one meter and it takes light 3.35641 nanoseconds for that round trip. For the sake of argument if your eyeball moved faster than the speed of light (it is impossible to do that, but let's suppose), you would see the movement of your eyes switching from left eye to the right eye. But even when you do the switching of your eyeballs from left to right at the sepeed of light, the delay reflected from the mirror is existent. You see it but you are not aware of it because of the tremendous speed of light. Your brain catches that but cannot process it in such short time. You are not blind at all in that 3.35641 nanoseconds. It is due to the fact of the speed of light that you ''see' it but cannot notice it.
Awesome !!! Brilliant presentation!👍👌💐
I have a good example of the delay of your thoughts in real time : When you close your door, while doing it, you become aware, your key is inside. But even though, you KNOW you forgot the key, its too late to send a new signal to the brain NOT to close, its already too late. Though you are aware you forgot the key!!
What an EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT PRESENTATION!!!!! Thank You VERY MUCH!!!! From Istanbul Turkey, Daniel Patrick Young.
Yup, I keep telling people, that time doesn't exist, only change. Change happens here and now, and now is the only thing which exists.
When I was reverse engineering the video game Joust, I noticed many places where the software is making short loops that compute the motion of a bird that is expected in a few refresh cycles. The strange detail was that this code also used the current joystick value to compute acceleration even for future position. It became obvious only later, when I experimented with the actual hardware and slowed down the game by a factor of 100 aproximatively.
The motion of enemy bird was decided using the location predicted in half a second. That is why a novice player who have tendency to hold the joystick in the same direction get defeated easily by that artificial intelligence guiding the fly of other birds.
The more experienced players don't freeze, scared and unable to make a decision. If there is no immediate danger to avoid, they will move their bird to specific location to trap a victim, for example. Sometime, they may voluntarily stop moving for a few seconds, until all 3 pterodactyls give signs of chasing our player at that location. This clears the sky for about 5 seconds to try trapping a few buzzards. Joust was a very strange game, don't worry about the details. I found interesting to present the other side of the time stretching illusion where a video game designer incorporate elegant features to exploit the human timing deficiency or the paralysis of new players.
Other artifacts of the refresh algorithm of the video game Robotron 2084 also became clear when slowing down that game and commenting the thread sequencing in the source code.
You can't catch those house flies because your brain wrongly predict their location. The brain tells you where the fly will be in 1/4 second, you give order to the cerebellum to coordinate dozens of muscles toward that location. You miss because the flies never was at that location. You have been lied to whole time by this motion prediction system in your visual system.
This is the best most informative most relevant Ted Talk yet. I actually learned something new today
Actually this man is wrong about switching the stare at your own eyes into the mirror and not seeing your own eye movement from the left to the right and back to left eye and so on. Yes, you see it. But it is so fast that it seems like you are blind and actually you are not blind at all. You are just too slow for the seepd of light. When you look into the mirror and you look at your right eye, there is a certain distance that the light travels from the mirror to your eye and back to the mirror. It takes time to do that. Let's say the mirror is a half a meter away from your face. Round trip for light to the mirror and back is one meter and it takes light 3.35641 nanoseconds for that round trip. For the sake of argument if your eyeball moved faster than the speed of light (it is impossible to do that, but let's suppose), you would see the movement of your eyes switching from left eye to the right eye. But even when you do the switching of your eyeballs from left to right at the sepeed of light, the delay reflected from the mirror is existent. You see it but you are not aware of it because of the tremendous speed of light. Your brain catches that but cannot process it in such short time. You are not blind at all in that 3.35641 nanoseconds. It is due to the fact of the speed of light that you ''see' it but cannot notice it.
How you will use this useless information?
Literally the brain is a time machine, for the past, present and future.
That's a real good talk. Makes me rethink my understanding of time. His clock example was spot on I did experience that so many times just that I didn't know why was that like that?
Actually this man is wrong about switching the stare at your own eyes into the mirror and not seeing your own eye movement from the left to the right and back to left eye and so on. Yes, you see it. But it is so fast that it seems like you are blind and actually you are not blind at all. You are just too slow for the seepd of light. When you look into the mirror and you look at your right eye, there is a certain distance that the light travels from the mirror to your eye and back to the mirror. It takes time to do that. Let's say the mirror is a half a meter away from your face. Round trip for light to the mirror and back is one meter and it takes light 3.35641 nanoseconds for that round trip. For the sake of argument if your eyeball moved faster than the speed of light (it is impossible to do that, but let's suppose), you would see the movement of your eyes switching from left eye to the right eye. But even when you do the switching of your eyeballs from left to right at the sepeed of light, the delay reflected from the mirror is existent. You see it but you are not aware of it because of the tremendous speed of light. Your brain catches that but cannot process it in such short time. You are not blind at all in that 3.35641 nanoseconds. It is due to the fact of the speed of light that you ''see' it but cannot notice it.
"Now" is the transitional frame between the past and the future, as soon as you say Now, it is past. Some comedians have had great fun with this.
That was one of the better Ted talks.
One time I had an experience on DXM (a very strong hallucinogenic) where I was listening to song, and the timing was incredibly different than normal. At one point, it seemed like the disc stopped and then skipped forward about 10 seconds, but it didn't. It was my perception. It was the most remarkable damn thing.
William Koscielniak dxm is very interesting
Lay off the cough syrup ! shrooms are better ! 😄
Once I was watching a Hong Kong martial arts movie, their lips seemed to move first and then I would hear the voices. It was like my brain was processing the visual movement of their lips before it could process the sound of their voices, weird eh. Has anyone else experienced this strange phenomenon?
Robert Leruyet 😁 what?? Yeah it's called English voice dubbing!!
Maybe it doesn’t work properly
Cool...thanks! Color, motion, then form. Got it.
High doses of psilocybin mushrooms removes the sense of time. It is an incredible feeling to be present and at one with the universe.
How can i get psilocybin? Should i attempt to make it myself or is that too dangerous for a novice?
@@drkshea2430 You can go to a state where it is legal like netherlands, or you have to search for some connections in the dark underground ^^
Some mushrooms grow in the woods in some places at the right time, but you have to be very careful to pick up the right one and not a toxic mushroom. I wouldnt recommend this!
You can also grow it for youself, but you need a fungal spore and its a little bit of work.
if you have some of the right mushrooms, just take a little bit in the beginning. Stay safe!
I felt this during a freaky high dose of a DMT trip.
Time was sooo incredible stretched. It was just 5 minutes on my clock, but for me it felt more like years. I couldnt believed it!
It was sooo weird and astonishing.
@@JonesP77 Years? Wow, didn't have that experience. Sounds awesome. You could live multiple lives like in Rick and Morty when Morty plays a video game and he lives an entire lifetime in five minutes. Lol.
@@daithiocinnsealach3173 Something like that, but i had most of the time no body, i was just concious in a weird and awesome place.
The coming back was weird. I remembered slowly that i am a human being and i have a life here and i was so greatful for everything i have in my life. It was the best thing ive ever experienced by far!
There were only 2 times in which i experienced past lives (at least i think they were past lives):
One time i was a gazelle for some minutes (i got eaten by an animal, sound more bad than it actually was) and the other time i was a plant and i was "eating" sunlight.
Being a plant is really wonderful, especially if you getting some sunlight. Very strange and so much satisfaction, like being hungry and you can eat, but more, i dont know, just more from something and more the whole plantbodys is involved ^^
Well, this was my experience or at least what i am able to remember.
Life eats life, thats one lesson i learned :-D
I think there is a correlation between how many DMT you take and for how long the experience feel like.
The more DMT you take, the more information you get, the more information you get, the longer it feels like!
And i took a really really great amount for this experience! ;-)
I've totally observed "shapeless color forms that resolve a fraction of a second after first noticing"!
Anyone out there from Tanzania with a bit curiosity like mine; LIKE THIS!
Wow. . thanks. Great talk.
There are no coincidences but only plans, once you tune yourself to the right vibration that resonates well with the universe everything will just flow for you, even time
Highly intriguing! Thank you! =)
TSQM - Time Symmetric Quantum Mechanics - Information processed within microtubules of neurons is sent through time referral to make seamless corrections in our experience of what we call consciousness. Biophysics of Consciousness 2016
The time gap is not so small, everything has happened a long time ago, but we all need time to realize it. This is destiny.
*He disproved his own hypothesis when he mentioned sound. It is NOW eternally. Time is the illusion.*
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How so?
Color is UR-anciently crucial (green/ripe, branch/snake) and easily calculable from pure optic nerve data: Combine & compare 3 similar numbers: Presto: color. No accident it is so rapidly calculated....easy & useful.
Might the "now" moment be how decoherence is expressed in the time dimension of space-time? So, in space we experience solid matter (as opposed to the wave it emerged from) and in time we experience the "now". The implication would be that time is emergent from mass, not fundamental. Also, the arrow of time would therefore be the result of our continuously expanding universe, which in turn "stretches" all matter, which in turn generates a continuous flow of new "now" moments. Another implication of this way of thinking is that entropy is the result of our expanding universe.
Have you by any chance read Stalking The Wild Pendulum?
Time is change, our brain just enjoys to connect and predict stuff based from its senses.
👏👏 Brilliant explanation
The visual delay actually has been scientifically measured, experimentally confirmed to be approximately 80 ms. Our brains compensates for this delay by predicting the future.
13:25 damn. That explains back in elementary school, the church had fan ceilings and everytime we looked up at one fan, it would seem that it just starting to spin, to a point me and my friends were convinced that the fans did not move until we look at them and we used to wonder why.
Dmitri Lessy
Cos we exist in a simulation...
Not joking, read up on the 'Double Slit Experiment'
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Bravo! Merci
Waiting for my brain to rewrite the history of these last 16 minutes
Time sounds more like a language / perception / relationship interpreted by us like Gravity! It's more like decided by our positioning and interaction caused, than we being a helpless at the result end. Like lying down, sitting and walking affects our relationship with gravity & thus the result, time also seems to be a relator! We perceive is future but when we stop perception, we enter past. The "stop" switch is now. It's the flip what / when I now. Unfortunately perception by design in normal ways are forward only. What if we know and be the Source of Time???
The example of the moving eyes was interesting for me. Just yesterday I was speaking to a coworker and very much noticed how "jiggly" her eyes were. Now I'm curious to observe the eye movement of other people I speak with.
You cannot see your eyes move, because when they move, you're no longer looking at them....unless you move your head or your mirror simultaneously.
Actually, you will be 'blind' whenever you move your eyes in a saccadic motion, known as saccadic masking. This partly helps building up the experience of a stable environment.
True, I've done this lol
Unless you only move one at a time.
prhughes0 Well done
@@Iwantoff that made me giggle
Whatever we see is not what the things really are. We are really just energy which cannot be created nor destroyed. We are transformed within the universe. Energy is transformed, never destroyed
It's almost simple, we are chasing labels. Only thing that makes sense is we were never alive to begin with, but that conflicts with our labels.
The now in the brain is now, and the now in the mind is now, but they are different nows.
It´s actually possible to consciously be aware of seeing something move, say a gekko, in the periphery of the eye, and then know "oh, it´s a gekko". I mean to spearet these two phases while experiencing them. But usually this happens only when you get a bit scared, like often when something unexpectedly moves in the periphery of your eye "in the jungle".
That’s brillient. Thanks
Excellent video. Philochrony is the theory that describes the nature of time and demonstrates its existence. Time is magnitive: objective, Imperceptible (intervals) and measurable (duration).
This is actually profound.
time=expansion, time perception is other question related to live kingdom, just subjective matter that robots like us can experience. "Now" is the expansion's continuous next step. the only valid stage of the reality, pass is gone and future is coming, predictable somehow. without expansion there is not now. time is flowing differently depending the expansion speed and the mass is pulling back the expansion. so, slower expansion= slower time :)
Uh OK, I guess so, Thanks best wishes, Bart
Thus, it is equally true that as you read this, you haven't been born yet, and died long ago.
Very nice speech. Totally related to relativity...
"The one thing that all change needs is time" I would argue that it is the other way around. How would you even start to define time without a change from a configuration to another?
Gracias por compartir.interesante tema. Nuestro cerebro es la computadora de nuestro cuerpo.,ahí se procesa toda la información y el cerebro mandá la acción. El cerebro es lo máximo,es nuestra caja de sorpresas.
Thanks!
Your eyes are your camera on the world. Your eyes are what you use to see the world. A blind man feels his world totally from a person who has sight.
Truly brilliant
Actually this man is wrong about switching the stare at your own eyes into the mirror and not seeing your own eye movement from the left to the right and back to left eye and so on. Yes, you see it. But it is so fast that it seems like you are blind and actually you are not blind at all. You are just too slow for the seepd of light. When you look into the mirror and you look at your right eye, there is a certain distance that the light travels from the mirror to your eye and back to the mirror. It takes time to do that. Let's say the mirror is a half a meter away from your face. Round trip for light to the mirror and back is one meter and it takes light 3.35641 nanoseconds for that round trip. For the sake of argument if your eyeball moved faster than the speed of light (it is impossible to do that, but let's suppose), you would see the movement of your eyes switching from left eye to the right eye. But even when you do the switching of your eyeballs from left to right at the sepeed of light, the delay reflected from the mirror is existent. You see it but you are not aware of it because of the tremendous speed of light. Your brain catches that but cannot process it in such short time. You are not blind at all in that 3.35641 nanoseconds. It is due to the fact of the speed of light that you ''see' it but cannot notice it.
wow, you explained it very well😄
To see your eyes move you'd have to be looking at them. But if you were looking at them they wouldn't be moving.
If you stare at one eye in a mirror and start walking past in the mirror, keeping your focus on that eye, you can see your eyes moving relative to your head.
Clock stuff is for real, used to observe during childhood.
I always thought I was the only person who experienced that clock thing. I thought I was CRAZY!
Wow!
All measurements are relative. Reality is what you believe it to be, even if it’s not. Senses and other people can prompt confusion or confirmation. Problems arise when you believe you are right, the other is wrong and you and they are not prepared to learn otherwise. Hence we experience the result of the problem with dogmas, whether they are categorised as religious, economic, political, scientific or whatever.
Your eyes don't move, unless you only have one eye... whats actually happening when you look back and forth between eyes is that you change which eye you are using as the dominant eye. When you look in your right eye you are using mostly your right eye. When you look into your left eye your using more of your left eye. Now when you stare into other people eyes, you might look into a left eye with a right eye and vice versa, and the eyes would then have to move around. If you coordinated movements, and both looked into each others left eye then together looked at each others right eye, then I bet you would not see their eyes move. Its a matter of perspective.
Now is where your consciousness is locked into!!!
I have done my own observation and thought on past, present, and future. We all have a memory of the past whether it was years ago or just seconds ago. The future is coming toward us at any measurement of time then becomes the past. So what is the present? The present has to lay somewhere between the future and the past, so how do we quantify the present in time, now that becomes a much harder question. Take a person and a chair, as the person approaches the chair, the thought of setting in the chair is the future, but once this person sets in the chair the approach is now the past. Now one might quantify the present as how long the person sets in the chair until the moment the person gets up and does something else. But let's go deeper, that is the person is having a conversion with another person about what they did in the past and what they plan to do in the future. Every word spoken between the two quickly becomes a past spoken word, yet one might quantify time by saying the present is sitting in the chair while having a conversation. But is this really a true time quantify of the present, setting in the chair having the conversion? No it is not, it is only a prescription of quantifying time of the present. We live, breath, eat, walk and all things we think and say are causal effects of our brain, or more precise the firing of synapses in our brain. Once the synapses in our brain fires, then that action is the past. So the present for the brain only last long enough to fire off synapses. So on quantifying the present with time as we are accustomed to based on moments and other measurements of time, is our only way of measuring the present as we experience it, but is it really the present. Breaking down of the present based on our brains synapses firing thus becoming the past makes an interesting conversion. The past and the future can be quantified by said measurements if only in the planning stage of the future. But does the present truly exist at all?
I think out of past present and future, the future is the most problematic. As you know, we remeber the past but don't rememeber the future. But the future can be calcutated from the past. But it would take the quantum computer to compute it with unlimited possibilities. Such computer would have to to compute all the probabilities that had ever happened in the World and I think the future can be known.
Perhaps this is why sitting quietly, not moving, eyes closed is the closest method to existing in the moment...
Interesting
There is no such thing as time, only change, and there is a subtle difference. Time is an abstract concept used to understand, measure and explain change.
Correct.
Interesting presentation, this reminds me that the further away in space that an object is from
the perceiver the longer the light takes to travel between the two.
So as the spatial distance diminishes between the perceived and the
perceiver the closer in time the perceived image of an object is to the moment
of now.
The complete image being perceived is a coalesced image
of a serial set of images that exist in a spatial and temporal gradient
with a dimensional flavour being added in accordance with the
relationship between the oscillatory state of the perceiver and the
perceived.
And because now is the only time in which the perceiver can perceive
something this indicates that the true moment of now exists where the
perceiver exists which is where the fabricated reality really is
projected onto and since now is always now then that which is in the now
looking into the various integrated slices of time space dimension
information will do so eternally.
Where there is an awareness of ones own existence within a consolidated
reality image that really is ones own image extracted from a greater
composition which is always there.
The observed components as rendered within the image being perceived never
existed within the same time or the same space as understood by humans
but their shadows intersected in the moment of now that exists within
the living being that perceives the image.
That composite image as perceived by an observer only ever existed
within the perceiver which leads me to wonder if I am just dreaming,
if I'm just a dreamer which is eternally dreaming jumping from life to life
checking out the scenery.
Is this the real life or is this just fantasy?
Caught in a landslide no escape from reality,
open your eye look up through the scroll and see.
Wow.
Some one commented on double vision earlier idk what that is but I have a lazy eye they don't do it on there own but I can control them at anytime and make them do it individually and I always see them when they move
Awakening can last for a lifetime, but opening ones' eyes will happen in an instant. - Anthony de Mello, not a philosopher per say but an inspirational author to me nonetheless.
Will this have anything to do with the Ted Talk? I think not but decided to share it anyway.
To answer the description of this video.... they mention that it takes time for all our neurological functions to process the things we sense. So they ask why we don't notice that delay. It's really simple. As an analogy it's like a dry river. When the beginning stream of water comes down you will notice the delay of the stream. But once flowing it's just a consistent flow. It doesn't go on off on off. Like water disappearing and reappearing. It's not the best analogy but I hope you get what I'm saying. It's like once the senses get processed then you won't realize there's a delay. I mean you don't have to know all the science to understand that. And when it comes to baseball and specifically batters they apparently process visual information quicker than normal people. It's like they adapted after practicing and exposing their visual senses to fast moving objects all the time. There's no science needed to understand that is what's going on. And I speak from personal experience that is true.
I suspect that another reason why flies are hard to hit, especially with your hand, is the air cushion that forms around your hand as it speeds through the air. The fly gets swept up in that cushion and is moved away.
ergo - the flyswatter
Your sudden movement discharges electricity which flies can feel. The faster you swat, the more current you create. Next time you're trying to kill a fly, take a slower more direct path to intercept it.
TheAnimator they have only few days to live, so you're just way too slow in their time scale.
he's full of self importance... platitudes with an attitude.
~~~T=R+M/ Intensity of attachment; How would we quantify this when how to come up with the baseline numbers? NeedNew Math and language? Or does Ramanujan's work help this thru -1/12?
Time=reason+memory divided by the Intensity of attachment ............doodles.
Inner Total Freedom: Total Freedom from the I, the me, the self, the observer, the listener, the chooser, the experiencer, the interpreter, the so-called True or Higher Self, which is an illusion invented from the past conditioning of the brain.
It acts like a filter, which limits, distorts, shapes and colors all perceptions, and so you never Perceive anyone or anything as it actually is.
It tells you what to think, how to feel and what to do. Moreover, it invents the illusion of division, separation, and disconnection from everyone and everything, which leads inevitably to conflict, violence, and suffering.
Just like a woman can't be half pregnant, your brain is either Totally Free OR you are functioning at some level of slavery to self-deceptions.
Inner slavery has many levels.
Inner Freedom has no levels.
Enlightenment does not take time. Enlightenment is not of time. It is not a process. It is not the product of time or the things of time, eg. method, technique, diet, yoga. There is no path to it. It is effortless and choiceless. It happens faster than the speed of light. It is once and for all, now and forever.
Do Jacob's Ladder. Set yourself Totally Free of fear, anxiety, sorrow, envy, greed, jealousy, violence, hatred, loneliness, attachments, competitiveness, ambition, bias, and prejudice in daily, once and for all, now and forever. There's no reason why anyone need waste another day trapped in the Matrix of self-deceptions. See my group on FB called "Total Enlightenment NOW!".
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Flies can instantly detect the air pressure difference. As you are swiping your hand at it, you create higher pressure in front of the fly. And this triggers the fly to react. It has nothing to do with time.
Of course, the unstated premise of this talk is that a continuous and objective time exists outside of perception that is made up of finite moments, which of course is inconsistent with an infinitely continuous object time. Since a finite and subjective moment is what defines experience, by logic an infinitely continuous objective time cannot exist. Therefore, an objective time emerges from our experience of the precursors and outcomes of the sensation of moments no matter how these moments actually come into existence.
If you've got double vision and look into a mirror you can see your eyes moving from normal to double vision. also there are a certain species of jellyfish who when injured can biologically revert to an earlier state before they were injured. That's technically reverse time travel at least in a biological sense.
Perception is a dance between streaming data and (multiple, simultaneous) predictions as to its cause.
"Those temptingly red berry-like things: are the more like this red cherry or that (or that)?.... AchSo....could be (deadly) nightshade....look around....purple&yellow flowerythings?... yep ...D.N. confirmed....don't touch."
when you open your eyes in the morning, the one thing that you are not seeing is NOW!!!!... woww!!!
thinking makes us travel in the past and future and we miss the moment bcoz this moment cannot be imagined it can be lived with full awareness. living in the moment is eternal living.
Amazing
This was excellent and the European ones usually aren't.
This confirms that what we senes, see etc, is just a memory. So no matter how fast its still a memory our souls observe. We have no brain but only a memory machine and that coupled to a soul. WE did evolve this but gOd created it this way.
our soul is not looking out the eyes but at a screen.
Sounds like you've been listening to Rupert Spira given the Screen analogy. I'm not sure what's up with this relative reality. I noted the Witness, Soul and God. And some relative existence here. Clearly we're existing in multiple States simultaneously. There's an lot to sort out. God is Great.
he didn’t even explain that eye muscles are the twitchy type, and your brain has to adjust the visual input to compensate. a neat test is asking someone to pan their eyes across a horizon, and videotape their eyes. you will notice their eyes twitched, and never moved smoothly. your eyes can move smoothly in some circumstances in which your brain decides it needs to, however doing this for more than brief infrequent periods will cause very noticeable strain. so how do you see things smoothly? think of somewhere in your brain, there is a little tv screen, and a little neuron with arms holding a camera over it. by moving the camera the opposite direction as the actual movement over one “frame” of video, and again the opposite direction but from the side of the actual direction on the next “frame”, you can smooth it out. (you may need to think about this a little to make sense of it spatially) this works because the entire field of view moves the same direction and the same speed, across the entire fov at any moment in time. then, your brain has a smoothly changing input, which is necessary for approximating form, motion, and depth. all it has to do next is slightly blur them together (part of persistence of vision), to smooth out any inconsistencies and remove noise. some parts of the brain process the visual input before this, and some process it afterwards. it is even possible to train your brain to mentally adjust your center of view to look at things, which can be very useful for looking at fast objects, quick glances needing little detail, reducing eye strain, and having essentially reverse tunnel vision.
Who is the observer that observed the functions of the different neural circuitries? We need to "figure out" the mastermind behind all these by "inquiry". We will never find answers no matter how hard we try, because we are looking in a totally different direction.
Move two eyes together you will not see them move a use it takes a fraction of a sec to input sight o the Brin from your eyeball
the illusion is the past and the future . "now" is the only place that exists , it is an absolute and cannot be conceptualized . its eternity. its all there ever was or will be. stop dreaming ppl
Now what?
Human 'percieved/realized present' is always a past moment in time-space.
James is correct; "now" is the persistent time, the time in which each existing entity always is. Consider the fact that when a "now" becomes a "past" you are again in a "now." and again and again we are always precisely "now."
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well put - thank you
Good talk, time is the ultimate deciding factor for all predictions. Just like vision, we cant see our eyes because we only look forward, it's like 2 parallel lines, it will never cross over to the other line and see ourselves through our eyes. The caveman could be also not in an alert state to immediately assume hes right about what he sees therefore he needs more time in order to make something of it. If the caveman has had the pressure of losing time, then he will presume that what he sees is right and possibly have the wrong conclusion. But then again cavemen didn't have the concept of time or did they. So before you even finish the phrase when is now, the though has already passed, since our brains process information much faster than we speak it. That is why sometimes people prefer to not say anything, because before a person has finished speaking we already know what he will say and how we should react to it.
Now he tells me!
Different cultures may perceive change and time differently than our clock obsessed culture.
I still have not heard a comprehensive scientific understanding of what time is. Perhaps without 'change' - time does not exist.
There's a lot of 'new age' stuff about an importance of 'living in the present moment' that may give people the idea that this a 'point' on a time line. As humans, we are 'fuzzy' [as in fuzzy logic].
Our brain processes - and consciousness are dispersed. We can have many simultaneous perceptions whether this is continuous or intermittent data being 'activated'.
Yes, we only receive a certain amount of 'intermittent' data through the senses. We 'join the dots' with 'patterns' the brain has created from our past experiences. We do not actually experience a present point in time. Thoughts are generally coloured by the past. However, I understand that some meditations attempt to engage one or more senses and limit thought.
Hearing may provide a more continuous intake of external data.
I have pondered over the same in my life. There is no scientific explanation what time is. You quoted change. But change is movement. So, time can be or is movement. I also thought that time is a force. But very subtle and subliminal force.
Time is an arbitrary regular count, used by living organisms to synchronize processes and activities. This count exists in the simplest of single celled organisms and is coded into the DNA molecule. Time is a mystery to physicists, but not a mystery to biologists. Different organisms count at different rates. Time is relative to the organism. Einstein showed that time is relative, although it was already obvious to any parent of a two year old child, anyone waiting for a bus, trying to catch a fly or struggling in a life or death situation. Because time is only useful to living organisms, and living organisms take up a very small proportion of the universe, time is not fundamental to the workings of the universe. Time is a tool and therefore it is something that does not exist independently. Time appears to move forward because the arbitrary regular count is only useful when it moves in one direction. A count from 1, 2, 3 or 3,2, 1 are equally useful but a count of 1,3,2 is not useful at all. Clocks measure movement or change, not time. A good clock is one that agrees with another clock. Your watch is good when it shows midday and the sun is directly above you. Clocks can be mechanical, chemical, atomic or biological. Clocks are influenced by motion, temperature, pressure, gravity and probably other things, therefore two ‘identical’ clocks in different environments will count differently. This does not mean that time changes. Relative time, means the future, present and the past are also relative to the organism. The past is held in present memory, the future is supposition extrapolated from remembered experience, and the present has already past. So because time is relative, time travel is not possible and the time paradox does not exist. Location is also relative, the three dimensions of space are relative to another location in space . There is no absolute starting point to measure from. Because time and space are both relative there is no absolute beginning and no absolute end, only the organism’s relative beginning and the organism’s relative end. Therefore there is no need for a god nor a big bang to create a beginning. There is only movement and change which organisms make sense of by using the tools of three dimensional space and one dimensional time.
For example
• Keeping track of time: The fundamentals of cellular clocks - PMC (nih.gov)
• Circadian clock - Wikipedia
I think the only way you can have now is if you froze time. But with quantum mechanics nothing is ever still do i don't think now exists. What he said about the second hand on a watch taking forever to tick when you first look at it is true. I am a watch collector and noticed this but didn't know why.
The artificial time should been an equal amount of time each with suggestion that it was twice as long for one group while half as long for the other.
I CAN see my eyes move in the mirror. I see it extremely clearly. I also live with a rare medical condition that's caused by brain to develop uniquely. I wish I knew what this means!??!?!??! :O I am so fascinated! GREAT talk, soul friend!!!!!!!!!
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just like everyone else does
Well there you go lol there's a like.
I think he’s quite clever but theees a real argument there on lots of aspects of his lecture,
Is this also why when we go somewhere going seems so much longer than returning
Agree, always thought about it. Another same illusion we experience is..When you dial someone's number on phone, you hear ringing sound. Now you try shifting your phone from one ear to another, you tend to experience so delay in ringing.....you know what i mean?
There’s that moment in traveling,,your leaving from,,then you’re going to,,
@@prasannakumar5140 this sounds interesting, but I don't get it completely. Could you explain it more in detail? We really experience a delay in ringing because of moving the phone from one ear to another ear?
Fjodor Dostoevsky I think they mean that sometimes (also in my experience) when you're calling someone and you switch the phone to the other ear while the other person hasn't picked up, you hear silence for a bit that sounds longer than the usual breaks between the ringing sound. Although, from the movies and all, I think the sound depends on different systems in different countries. Like here in India when you call someone it's like "*ring*.....*ring*" there's a break in between.
Back to Prasanna's observation, that very break (marked by ".....") sounds longer when you switch ears.