UPSET PILOTS ABOUT AIR FORCE 1 during poor weather at Philadelphia
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Weather delays for everyone except...
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Stupid comment. Why be political? Stick to ATC.
@basfinnis - How is he being political? He is stating the truth.
@@basfinnis Explain what is political about that.
@@basfinnisthis video is ATC. Did you watch it at all?
I don't think you can characterize them as upset. They all seemed calm and professional.
Annoyed would be a closer description.
wisely, no one makes any overt remarks, because we are now seeing how the various agencies viciously come after anyone who speaks out....... It's the new American way!
You can hear it in the voices. Annoyed, as I would be.
You can characterize anyone as upset.
Agreed. Just like ahhh f’. lol
Well I know from personal experience how disruptive the President can be to freeway traffic, so I imagine air traffic experiences similar troubles.
Ironically when then President Obama visited Tokyo, traffic got better for the days he was in town. Everyone was encouraged to use public transport and most did. Easiest driving on those days. :-)
@@North_West1 Same when the Olympics were in Los Angeles.... lol, but when he drove through Portland Oregon they must not have put out the memo.
How disruptive can a President be to Humanity? We are testing the limit right now
Yes, we are with a crooked expresident...
@@daleannharsh8295 Here in Portland, any President visits here sooooo rarely, we're not used to it. So of course, a bunch of us will be out along the approach to wave at the plane & all over town for the Beasts, either welcoming them or displaying a sign of any number of messages.
AF 1 contact departure is the best radio transmission an airport manager can hear as the walk on eggshells VIP movement is over. Takes days to set up for AF 1 at airport, takes about an hour to tear it all down.
what do they have to set up?
@@lateolukeor5641red runway obvs
dude should be on foot, the way he runs this country
I really don't hear any upset pilots. But then again........everyone's threshold is different.
Yeah, the title was very misleading.
they're low key upset
I don't think they care unless they're on the last leg of a 4-day trip. They're still blocking time and getting paid sitting on a taxiway waiting to depart. Ez money. 😂
Happened to me once on connecting flight in PHL. 1st leg ground stopped on taxiway at BOS for VIP arrival in PHL. 2nd leg ground stopped on taxiway in PHL for departing VIP. When ops resumed the captain said "the good news is depatures have resumed. The bad news is we are about #48 in line." Unfortunately he was barely exaggerating.
Remember years ago I was supposed to depart from Chicago, and saw the VC-25B (that 747) on the ramp when I arrived at the airport. While my flight was already on the taxi way and pilots already said "cabin crew prepare to take off", the plane suddenly took a turn and shot off its engines then pilots came one and said we have a delay. I chuckled and said the president is also leaving... some passengers wondered how I know that, and I explained I saw the plane, while others looked up on their phone and confirmed president was visiting.
And moments later a shadow flew by our plane, and we get back on our way right away.
Yeah upset is a strong word but you can tell they were annoyed. “Says it all” was the give away.
Flying over Rockford Illinois years ago when Obama had a moving bus trip and the TFR was changing by the minute. Never heard a controller so busy trying to get planes around that clusterf$c, including me
It's always a pain, but what are you gonna do? I've experienced far worse delays because of this and nobody here really sounded upset.
Always gets me that the name everyone refers to them by is also their callsign. Pilot sounded very nice and respectful
What do you mean by that always gets you? I don't see what's so significant about it.
Yeah, because hes living a life of apology. Id be sorry too if I were them. Our privileged white male president is an asshat.
Everyone refers to them by that because it is their callsign?
Polite, respectful....and incomplete in his readback. While his "acknowledge" is completely legal, it wasn't helpful.
@@rk5634 I assume he means that in every culture, everyday people all call it Air Force 1, instead of the presidential plane, for instance. It is probably the only callsign 99% of people will ever know.
As an air traffic controller for 37 years….VIP movement sucks
Wow, you started at 19?
@@BlueSkyUp_EU Yes! In the Navy for five years then on to the FAA. I was in the Navy when President Reagan fired the PATCO controllers
A delay because the president is moving, seems kinda obvious he gets priority?
He just needed priority to get back to his basement for ice cream and a nap.
@@m.choudry4898 Arent you bored of this schtick by now? Everyone else is.
@Jayfive276 - Not by the looks of the comments.
Not everyone got the memo so they are wondering or surprised by the unexpected delay.
Corn pop 1 is out of FL130 going direct insane.
I feel their pain from across the Atlantic. Got stuck on a train for over an hour once on what would normally be a 10 minute journey because HM Queen decided to stop off for a cup of tea in Glasgow while on her way to Balmoral. Why can't these people invest in a flask and stick to the normal schedules?
They have to be seen hobnobbing with the commoners to maintain the charade.
She was sizing up young girls at schoosl for Andrew. They are truly an evil family
I doubt that happened.
@@johannesbols57 I doubt you were on the train.
Oh honey. Your idea of service is leaving a snotty hanky in the church pew.@@billb7876
I didn't hear anyone upset.
You don't have to sound mad to be considered upset. Everyone here just sounds a bit lethargic.
Because upset isn't a sound, it's a feeling or emotion. You cannot hear feelings or emotions.
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 You can hear it in the tension of the voice and in sighs, grunts, and various other body noises.
I like how Brickyard went low on fuel even before engine start up and departure! 😅
"Tower, we need landing vectors, we're here on the taxiway and low on fuel."
The contracting airlines are pushing these little buggers a lot further than they were intended. Look at the 737, built for milk runs and regional service, now fly transatlantic, and regularly fly to Hawaii.
It can happen when there’s a delay with departures. Planes usually don’t carry a lot of extra fuel as that would result in a higher fuel consumption and thus higher operating costs. It is pre-calculated how much fuel is needed to taxi to the runway, but if there’s a delay for something and they burn too much fuel, they might have less than what they legally need for departure and in that case they have to go back to the gate and refuel
He likely taxied out to a holding pad by the runway and was told to shut down the engines by ATC for an extensive delay (VIP movement as well as possibly weather). He was likely getting close to min fuel listed on the flight release for departure. If you are not able to takeoff before reaching that min fuel number, you have to either coordinate with dispatch to see if there is anything you can do to make the min fuel number lower (removing an alternate that’s not required or maybe taking a shorter route) or you have to return to the gate to be refueled.
I recently learned about the Gimley Glider...
In one unnamed African nation they close the airport and hour before and an hour after a VIP departure. I think the reasoning was because the capital city airport also served as an Air Force base and they didn't want to risk some pilot jumping in one of the rusty Mig-21s that hadn't moved in decades and chasing down and shooting down the VIP flight. Anyway VIP charter for some Vice President (who might have been the presidents son from memory) arrives about an hour before the pick up and gets refused any airspace clearance and threatened with shoot down. By what method is anyones guess but anyway had to divert and his Grand Exellency couldn't get picked up for his shopping holiday to France/Greece whatever because of their own rules.
1:36 should read 'can neither confirm nor deny' which is usually a sort of jokey comment about keeping a secret, so this reads as less annoyed than the current subtitle.
Once got denied my destination because a VIP TFR was going to go hot over it 45 minutes after my filed arrival, IFR. It was Bush and not long after 9/11 so should have expected it for a part 91 guy.
Mel Brooks said it. "It's good to be the king".
I was flying back in the day and we ended up with a 4hr delay because of Air Force One.
That's all that politicians are made for. Ruin everyone's day
Now i'm wondering how a MAYDAY call would be handeld in such a situation
Well, I believe the pinhead on AF1 would be given priority over any emergency.
@@reggvegabsolutely wrong.
@@camerong819 Really???
Emergency aircraft has priority over everything and everyone.
@@reggveg Noone gives a fuck about your political beliefs.
For anyone who are in the field, if it's between a medevac/air ambulance and AF1 (regardless on who is the sitting POTUS), which one gets priority?
The priority goes mayday calls, medevac, AF1,
Medevac above af1
Where is the UPSET part?
Happened to me into PHL for freakin prince charles . Not sure how a figurehead from another country warrants disrupting traffic
Heir to the most important ally.
@@dermann439 Right, the inbreeding is not his fault.
Surprised that VIP confirmation was confirmed over open air traffic channels.
I live in the DC area. You just get used to the presidential motorcade, Marine 1 and Air Force 1 haulting traffic.
Lol. In soviet Russia there are no arr/dep traffic 30 min before VIP movement and 15 min after.
In US it's not even close to that delays)
In a couple African nations it's an hour or two either side. They're terrified of being shot down by their own air force if someone stages a coup.
I'd be annoyed if I had to be delayed for that too.
Can you imagine flying a potato around? Talk about embarrassing.
That sounded normal...
Everyone just sound just sound a bit lethargic, which is quite appropriate really.
Ive dealt with af1 a couple times. Once we delayed them (Obama) because of an active medevac mission and ive been last one in before Af2. They just dont want anything moving on the ground while af1 is landing or taking off. All the taxiways along the runway will have ops or police blocking them. Overall its not too terrible considering its our most valuable asset flying around.
I'm suddenly all a-fire with curiosity to know if any ATC has ever told AF1 to say when ready to copy a number....
I don’t see the need to maintain such aircraft separation, compared to closing roads for similar VIP movements. What’s the issue with being established on a 10 miles final with AF1 lining up?
It's all theatre. No real security by doing any of this.
The Resident of the United States
Somebody was in a hurry to get to the 9th wonder
Of the world. 🇺🇸
Who wouldn't be? It is, after all, " a haven of ironic species ".
It was "one of the nine wonders of the Earth", then he corrected it to "one of the seven wonders of the world". Both are wrong, but at least he still recognized that one was. 😂
Better than hurrying to get to his 9th golf course of the week like the last one (despite promising to be "too busy to play golf")
@calcutronsmith9198 Joe has been on vacation 40% of all days in office.
He probably flew to Delaware for another vacation.
They don’t even sound upset?
I'm sure NOTAMS had something about "VIP" movement.
My dads the guy who said “they can neither confirm nor deny” at 1:36 lol he’s a 320 captain and they were getting ready to push back I think
How does he like flying the 320?
@@MasterChief773 he really liked it, but he is switching to the 787 now
No "seeyuhhh" from AF1? BOOOOOO!
On a sort of unrelated presidentisl 747 matter, several times Ive been over in Newport News Virginia, I've spotted the AF1 747 doing touch-and-go at PHL
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...as is apparently an ideal not-busy facility for practice. I dropped my errands and found a good viewing spot up close. Cool to watch, but each time now, there were a couple students also in the pattern, in Cessnas, performing same. I bet that was pretty nifty, alternating with the big 747.
Sure surprised me to see it come over my head on Jefferson.
I can neither confirm or deny! Says it all.
“Air Force one , advise when ready to copy a phone number”
Foxtrot Juliet Bravo
just say it snowflake
Didn’t really anyone upset, slightly annoyed maybe.
I don't think the pilot were upset.
The few times AF1 has come to SA they always land at one of the bases so hearing this is weird
Isn’t a 747 between DC and PHL a little excessive? Is a helicopter too vulnerable? The drive from DC to Rehoboth isn’t far but that would probably shut down Baltimore.
Its more of a pain to shut down 139 miles
Shutting down Baltimore for any reason would be a blessing!
Seems to me back in the day pilots and ATC would get rather excited about AF1 coming through. These days I would be annoyed too.
Only election deniers would get annoyed
@@gerardm.5047 😂you mean like Hillary Clinton? Nah, bro, see… very, very few people in this whole world have any respect for Biden whether he actually won the election or not. Why is that do you think?
Those pilots aren't upset, pretty clickbait of you... anyone who spends time in the air has dealt with VIP movement and everyone here handled it professionally (as usual).
If you can’t have a Perk of the job when you’re president of the USA, who can
How long does it take to recharge the electric engines on FJBs plane?
LGB burns only the greenest jet A. LOL
“AF1 cleared for takeoff. Get off my runway and leave my airspace.”
The guys didn't seem particularly upset, but I guess how much upset was in the air depends on Depends Force One.
Didn't really seem upset; they knew what was going on.
Unrelated: from some of the fuel calls one hears on these videos while planes are waiting to takeoff, the airlines sure don't provide any buffer. I get that it's to save weight/fuel, but some of the margins seem so small.
Airlines aren't required to plan the fuel for waiting time on the ground, only in the air. So nothing done wrong here.
I guarantee that the bean counters looked at the whole cost through their entire operation, the average taxi time, and decided that the cost of the occasional plane having to go back and top off was lower than the cost of dragging extra fuel around most of the time.
Does the pilot of AF 1 ever get a phone no. to call for a "possible pilot deviation," however improbable such an event might be?
Never. I’ve heard them cleared to land on 27L and they said, “No, we’re going to land on 27R.” Literally. They can do whatever they want.
They're all military men/women with 10+ years of service. These guys are sharp, procedures-oriented, and by-the-book.
@@mar_man813he didn’t read back his clearance though
Isn't AF1 supposed to read back instead of just saying "acknowledged "?
Hasn't even taxied and already low on fuel 😳
They don't sound upset. Even if they're upset, they won't expose it all on ATC. :D
Who was upset?
Not sure about Upset...
Haha - in some countries I think the VIPs can take over scheduled pax service flights and just go on their shopping trip to france / doctors visit with the plane. Ouch if you were sitting there getting ready for takeoff. Or the plane is held for an hour or two - connections be damned :) Makes being competitive sometimes harder for the "flag" carriers. Air Zimbabwe I think had a few troubles as a state owned enterprise in part because of the government's "supervision". Hopefully they've sorted things out by now.
"What's our sequence? We're a little low on fuel, sorry." Wow he was so upset 🙄
Man, low on fuel and they haven't even departed yet? Doesn't seem like great planning there...
@@calcutronsmith9198 - They don't carry unlimited amount of fuel around like your car! They have a calculated amount with margin for a contingency landing. Extended idling on the taxiways will cut into that margin. Their planning enabled them to determine they were getting low on fuel. The more you know......
@@calcutronsmith9198 Usually mean, the Airline do the math for the fuel needed for the taxing, fly and for emergency divert, maybe a few gallons more... probably they were on the limit of those few gallons
@@calcutronsmith9198 "Low on fuel" meaning they likely planned for 20-30 minutes of taxi fuel and instead due to bad weather compounded by Air Force 1 movement, they are anticipating 45-50 minutes of taxi time. This lowers margins such that if they had to divert to a different destination they may risk getting into reserve fuel which would result in some paperwork with company. If they were truly in danger of literally running out of fuel in the air, they'd have returned to the gate by now.
I can neither confirm nor deny...
I think all of us would be interested in hearing ATC-AF1 communication without the need of a hyped up, inaccurate video title.
This channel is way too good and professional to resort to clickbait. Nobody likes to feel tricked.
Just some constructive criticism for one of my very favorite channels on TH-cam
I don’t get what the issue is here. It doesn’t matter who is in Air Force1. The Air Traffic Controllers are protecting the Presidency of the United States Of America not an individual.
Technically, it wouldn't be Air Force 1 if the President wasn't on the plane. If it was just the aircraft, or another official, the plane would have a different callsign.
@@eniolafolorunso1095exactly so dont know what that guy is on
@@eniolafolorunso1095 I agree but my point was it doesn’t matter who is the President in the actual aircraft. The Presidency is more than an individual.
Ohh l heard Air Force One!! 😊
No one was upset, not even Piedmont 6040.
2:32 Better that rpa4426 had taken another slot for taking Off and gone straight to a apron spot and called a fuel truck to fill up
I'm just glad it's Joe in the AF1, not Donny.
AF1 and POTUS movement disrupts everything when they fly in and move around cities.
Murica!
AF1, cleared for take-off and get the hell out of here!!!
2:45 I didn’t know AF1 used VHF for communications.
When using civilian airports they do. They can used both military and civilian frequencies as needed.
@@ARUSApacecarHAMPTON Interesting. Thanks for the info.
Try navigating through Rehoboth Beach when this *guy* is in-town.
I know people who are actual friends with him that leave town when he's there.
Nobody sounded upset?
This is one the comments should have probably been turned off on. The children have arrived in the comment section. 🙄
@@MattyEnglandand another child has replied, reinforcing my point.
Yeah I guess they cant exactly just throw AF1 into the stack.
other presidents do it...
Little short of fuel??
VIPs should be utilizing military fields and not delaying commercial traffic in order to get their shots with the press. Way too much work for one person...
Especially when they're telling everyone else to stop driving their cars because climate change.
Id be upset too if i had to wait for bo bo joe
Does AF1 get its own tower radio frequency?
no
AF1 is a Navy plane and it's flight path is top secret.
@@Ms.Opinionated Hmm... I always assumed that AIR FORCE ONE was an AIR FORCE plane. The only thing Navy about it is the blue of the flag on the tail.
AFI is a band
Air Force in the name should be a clue it's an Air Force aircraft. If it was a Navy aircraft, it would be Navy 1 if the president was aboard.@@Ms.Opinionated
Flying Potato.
Piedmont?
@tomvance - yep. Believe it or not the old flat blue bird of the Carolina's is still around, at least in name. USAirways kept it alive as a wholly owned subsidiary regional carrier. So now it is part of the AA group. They fly ERJS, used to be 145s. About 400 flights a day based out of the old USAir PHL and CLT hubs.
A little painful to think that I can remember ticketing a 727 flight with them back before USAir bought them. They were an awesome little airline.
@@lisanadinebaker5179 wow, I remember them flying from Richmond to Roanoke, 32 min, $99 round trip in the mid-80s.
@tom Vance - yep. They were 'regional' before it was a buzzword. They did a lot of those $99 rates, esp out of GSO.
Some people would argue that when USAir bought them and incorporated many of their best practices, it improved that airline exponentially. I lived in Pittsburgh at the time, and I definitely noticed a step change. USAIR kept customer service in Winston-Salem for many years but finally gave in and moved it.
FYI, the 400/day was the prepandemic number. They should be back up to at least that by now. More demand continues to fall to the regionals.
Don't know why the pilots are snarky. They know atc can't say president or vp
The one thing that lacked in this video was someone being upset.
AF1 pilots wearing masks during flight? Kinda sounded that way - I know military pilots are fairly clipped but still... (also it would make sense if they did)
Waited for trump for over an hour at LGA. That was years before he was president.
Why? His jet is a civilian aircraft like any other.
@@mwd331 There were 43 airliners held up that night. He had a transoceanic release time to comply with. I did not know then that his pilot had a direct line to NY ATC. There is a documentary about his 757 operations where he was watching a football game and damn near missed LGA’s curfew.
Nobody seems really "upset" although I have to say 4426 if you are low on fuel on start up… Perhaps you should not be departing. This was a Clickbait title
They were low on fuel after being idle on the ground for an extended time due to weather and AF1 and approaching their limit for departure. Nothing wrong there.
Definitely not upset
Just curious on how many times brandon fell up the stairs.
Clickbait headline for more clicks. Nobody was remotely upset.
Presidential haircut in progress. At least this one didn't take 30 minutes like it did for bubba at LAX.
Pilots were not upset. Careful with headlines!
Why would they be upset, they clearly knew what was happening.
Because they are being delayed because of criminals, they have every right to be pi55ed off
Get over it.
Commercial traffic should have priority over these government baffons
'upset' ... oh right, trolling for clicks.
Wow they were MAD… I don’t understand why people have to scream like that to get their point across
Many are saying that they didn't hear upset pilots. That's because upset isn't a sound, it's a feeling or emotion. You can't hear feelings or emotions.
For example, have you ever been upset but still maintained your professional composure?
If it can't be detected, how do you know it happened?
@@653j521
It can be detected just not by hearing it.