1983 Tube Stock In Action (includes a ride inside!)
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- Footage of London Transport 1983 Tube Stock, including both external views from station platforms and a ride inside!
The on-screen comments in the film used the book called "London Underground Rolling Stock" written by Brian Hardy and published by Capital Transport as an information source.
The quality of the footage is incredible. It's wonderful to be able to access such a large archive of footage. Notwithstanding the technical aspect, it's so nostalgic to look at London Underground footage from this period.
EricG Thanks Eric.
At times I berate myself. If only I had known "then" what I know now. There is so much more that I would have filmed...
Even with the lower image quality (and my at times less than wonderful filming) I feel sure that future historians would have been delighted to see "something".
When I was a child I was not allowed to look after the family super 8 film camera, as it was thought that I would "waste" the film on trains, trams, etc.
citytransportinfo couldn't agree more. Thanks again, really enjoyable and nostalgic videos.
The sights and sounds of the train whilst it's moving and when it's stationary brings back so much memories.
Yes.
I remember using these a lot when i was still a kid. I also got off at Charing Cross almost all the time. Those were (and still are) my favourite tube trains, along with the D78. It's quite sad they didn't last longer. I wish they would've transferred some of them onto the W&C line or the Chesham shuttle service. They could've still been useful there.
Poor 1983 stock, i personally really like this tube train but it’s just unfortunate it wasn’t built for the modern day with its single leaf doors.
No it wasn't - for the D stock it was good, but for a deep level tube line it wasn't practical.
@myrickstargames I had no idea that it was rare - this footage has been on my computer for many months. I *might* have more footage on one of the videotapes which has not yet been digitised... hopefully I will be getting a new hard drive over the holidays and will be able to digitise some more.
Thank you for another interesting film.
I remember the 1983 Tube Stock trains from the '80s.
Keep up the good work...
I remember using these trains before the new jubilee line extensions was opened from charing cross where train used to terminate on the jubilee line!
This is a great video, steady and well recorded in high quality. I'm impressed.
you gotta love that air noise you hear once all the doors have closed
I think all underground trains have, its just on the 83 stock it was so prominent
@JeffOrnstein01
For many years underground trains had wooden floors, as wood represented the best material with the longest life. I think they used a special fire resistant hard wood, but nowadays some sort of linoleum is used instead.
These trains don't deserve their bad reputation. Firstly, they're much nicer than what we have nowadays (Bombardier and Alstom melarkey) and second, they sounded awesome! 5:14
yes, even the D stock could'nt do that
I agree, it's even more of a shame that the 96TS was made, the cheaper, "poor man's" 95TS.
Bombardier/Alstom all the way, the earlier tube stocks are classics too though, though by fact our tube stocks of now are better in any way :), you'll Probably be saying the same about the 92 tube stocks when they depart London
I doubt it, I'll probably say it about the 1995TS, but I look forward to the 1992TS's demise, they've been a constant source of problems for the Central Line Management and TfL overall, especially with their unreliability. Maybe even rivalling the Pacers up North.
I just heard that the '83 was like a smaller D.....now I see it's true! So was this the last type of Tube train to have those "hanging balls" the Tube was once known for?
@Wid552 1972Mk2
Lower expected passenger numbers which did not justify longer trains. It may be that the 1983 stock cars were slightly longer, so that a 6 car train was a smilar length to a 7 car 1972 MK2 stock train. I am not sure (this applies to the Piccadily Line 1973 stock compares to its previous 1959 stock).
Note that the present day 1996 stock trains were also originally just 6 cars in length, although they were subsequently extended to 7 cars.
@dontrequest I think the 1960 tube stock was nearer the 1967/72 than the 1956.
The 1956 was a forerunner of the 1959 and 1962. From memory internally it seemed the same as 1959/62.
ahh the single leaf doors on these rascals.. what a pain to get on!
+TheBritishLegions Thats one of the reasons why the trains did not last very long. There was a plan to rebuild the trains with twin doors but it would have been very expensive and in the end it was decided that it would be more cost effective to replace them, especially as more trains needed anyway for the extension to Stratford.
The air brake hiss was quite loud on these, another thing I remember.. quite nostalgic to hear it again.. lovely.
Sounds like a flushing 🚽
I remember these trains on the Jubilee line, the break release (which can be heard at 5:14) was the most characteristic sound of this stock.
Yes I remember that too - and am very pleased that I was able to record the sound
Being built with single-leaf doors was a big mistake, without those they'd probably still be running now. Scrapping them so young was a terrible waste. Surely at least two end cars could have been saved for preservation/specials today.
At least we have TH-cam. Thanks for the footage.
The trains also had electrical problems (or 'issues') but I suppose that this would have been possible to overcome. The single door issue did seal their fate, as it would have been very expensive to widen the doorways and since more trains were needed for the Jubilee Line extension it was felt to be operationally better to have a single fleet for the whole line than spending not much less money upgrading older trains and then have a mixed fleet. One car has been preserved at the London Transport Museum Acton Depot. I think its a batch two 1983 Tube Stock.
I do not recall the reason why, but the 1983 stock was mooted and then 'ruled out' as ' unsuitable' for the Isle Of Wight. No other Underground line in London needed these trains, so they ended up having short lives. Decades ago a similar fate befell the LNWR & Bakerloo Line Watford Joint Stock.
390h8er I know! 2-speed elevator doors
390h8er I agree unwise move to copy the single leaf doors from D78 District line stock, which also contributed to its short stint service on the Jubilee line. They were going to replace the single leaf doors to double, fix them up and send them to serve on the Pic line with the 1973 stock but was too expensive to do so and the 83 stock was dropped for good.
@@CitytransportInfoplus Were there ever any considerations in moving them to the Bakerloo Line?
@@LanceHerod-n5d the 83 stock is too big for the Bakerloo tunnels! A single 83 train was driven from Baker Street to E&C, and it was a failed experiment
A few 1983 Stock Trains were spotted at Harpur Hill in Derbyshire. They are now used for some sort of bomb testing.
Tis Really Obvioaaw
used to love these stock as a kid, but tbh .. the Victoria line and even the northern line ran older stock and they were superior with access, better interiors etc. Also added to the fact that the central line were running newer stock, which I used to hate passionately btw,,,,, kinda made the Jubilee d trains redundant
thanks!
These trains are seen in a few other films, but this is the only footage I have found (so far) that was taken inside them. At the present arte it wil be late 2014 or even 2015 before I have digitised all my historic films.I need 72 hour days!
@MrGriser I wish I could time travel to the 1900's and 1920's and film the trains... and trams, trolleybuses etc. London, Liverpool, Manchester and Newcaste Upon Tyne. All had 3rd rail electric railways of interest, as well as other transports.
I've been on these trains since I was young boy.
I've not found any 1990's video from stations Stanmore - Wembley Park.
Alas I also haven't found any video of the old Charing Cross platforms.
btw, that reply was about the 1983 stock coming in two batches - but to more fully answer your question, yes there was a 1973 stock for the Piccadilly Line and a different 1983 stock for the Jubilee Line.
I wonder what these trains would've looked like if they were ever converted for the J.L.E. We'll only have to use our imagination now. I also heard that some of this stock wwas to go on the Piccadilly line from 2001 (converted as well) but they never came to anything.
@Klingl3r Yes, it was taken at Willesden Green and that scene is also used in my film showing 6 trains passing through that station. This was uplifted several years ago... should still be there!
They were projected to last until 2020. Wish they did tbh
its not the first time that a fleet of trains was withdrawn after only a few years.
Ngl tho I kinda wished they could’ve run on another line
@@east_bay_transit_nerd one 83 TS train was driven on the Bakerloo line all the way down to E&C, but the train was too big for the tunnels and caught the tunnel walls whenever it navigated a turn. I believe the plan would've been to run the 83 stock between Queens Park and E&C (think there was a technical reason for not running them north of Queens Park)
There were two batches of these trains, which were introduced to the Jubilee Line when it only linked Stanmore with Charing Cross.
When the extension to Stratford was being built it was known that more trains would be required, and for various (many) reasons it was decided to completely replace these trains.
I loved this 1983/84 Tube stock. It is one of the best. Spacious and comfortable and fast.
Shame they got rid of it.
Spidy Man, for your information, I strongly agree with that. The 1983 tube stock cars are very valuable that TfL have an opportunity to build a new tube line.
In addition, the fact that it is been vandalised and the glass is shattered and the seats are broken, how is TfL going to repair them?
It is therefore a shame to see them gone to be fair.
@LondonTransportPhoto There is one car you can see at London Transport Acton Depot plus Brian Hardy's "London Underground Rolling Stock" includes these trains.
I know that I have some outside footage at West Hampstead. But I do not know if I have any more inside footage.
Very greatful of this upload, I would have replied to your PM but TH-cam was having problems yesterday
Jubilee Line 1983 Tube Stock
@resigamer17 And the obviously forgotten 1956 stock...
Which leads me to the question, were there 1972 stock trains which are designed similar to the 1956s?
dontrequest the 72 MkI was built for two person operation on the Northern line back in the day to help out the 59 stock, even though it heavily copies the 67 design, but it had a bad repuation for poor service and it was dubbed The Misery Line.
We have the DM 3734 in Acton, preserved and kindly transferred for our enthusiasts during depot open weekend days
Yes, I've seen it there.
I tought the title said "1983 stock in Acton"
+Kyle BroFlovski Thats easy enough to do, as the two words (action, Acton) are very similar!
citytransportinfo Ikr
Two of these cars are now on the roof of a building in Great Eastern Road near the junction of Shoreditch High Street.
@bronzeonion TH-cam have very recently changed the look of many pages, so maybe the problems were connected?
@LondonTransportPhoto I had no idea that it was rare - this footage has been on my computer for many months. I *might* have more footage on one of the videotapes which has not yet been digitised... hopefully I will be getting a new hard drive over the holidays and will be able to digitise some more.
Now the Jubilee line is under automatic operational control and the 1996 stock has had an upgrade and faster than before
yes, also the speed increase is mainly because prior to automation they were capped at 60% power
What made the single leaf doors kill the 83 stock but not the D stock?
The need for more trains on the Jubilee line and that the 1983ts had multiple issues related to their electronics* plus other features (not just the doors) so that in the end it was found that the most cost efficient long-term solution would be to increase the number of new trains so that the '83 fleet could be replaced. The Jubilee line having just one fleet of identical trains also reduces operating costs because there is only a need for one set of spare parts.
*The 1983ts trains were built in two batches which were not fully compatible electrically and dated from an era when 'more advanced' electrics began to be used but technology was moving so fast that what was advanced in 1983 was already old a decade later ... a situation that made spare parts difficult (if not almost impossible) to obtain.
The D stock were different again and but for the advent of the S stock for the other subsurface lines the District line would probably still be using D stock today. It was always a long-term aspiration of the LPTB and LT to 'one day' have what were essentially the same trains on all subsurface railway (SSR) services - at one time there was something like a dozen different types of train on the SSR! Especially pre-war, when the LPTB was founded.
thanks!
They also had some technical issues. But yes, the single door system proved to be the biggest handicap, and one which was just too expensive to solve.
@Klingl3r No, in those days no trains had door closing signals...
I remember, riding on these with my dad to go to visit one of his friend, who was/is a celebrity, probably somewhere in Greater London. I did not really like the 1983 stocks and I think that's because they used to bounce hard. However, I definitely think that a couple of units should have been left for preservation.
The London Transport Museum has one car, which I think is a DM.
Yes a 3 car train unit of each batch (there were two batches and they were slightly different inside) would have been nice, but they would have been technological nightmares to keep running as the electric control systems from that era would be seen as antiques by today's standards, so sourcing spare parts would have been horrifically difficult. This is the same problem the Birmingham Airport Magnetic Levitation train faced and explains why it had to close down.
@dronespace Thas was probably the 1972 Mk1 stock.
I was rather fond of that Tube stock, commissioned at a time when it looked like the Jubilee Line would just be Neasden to Charing Cross and not get to be extended along it's original proposed route(s) to Lewisham or wherever the other options were for out East, as the DLR took care of that. But when the JLE got the go-ahead, with Charing Cross station to be left out, along with the plan to computerise the route, a new stock was really the only option.
@TopGearrules Not the only time its happened - the Watford Joint Stock also only lasted about a decade.
I agree that it did seem to be 'too soon' but it was thought to be too expensive to convert them to double doors, and some sources say that they were unreliable and needed major investment in other ways as well.
Alas the trains went before I ever got around to taking soms still images of them inside.
Do you have any footage of the 1983TS and the 1996TS together? Or a 1996TS at Charing Cross in normal service?
I have some super 8 film which has 1972TS and 1983RS but as far as I can recall nothing with 1983TS and 1996TS together. For Charing Cross, I have some 35mm film still images with 1996TS. There was a gap period when I did not have a working camcorder.
th-cam.com/video/ccb5AziRxo8/w-d-xo.html
The J83 jubilee line stock?
The baby D stock
didn't last so long... the last time there was a distinctive feature on both tube and subsurface stock the tube variant also did not last long. This was the Cammel Laird tube trains which had oval end windows and what eventually became known as the F stock.
The tube stock version of the D stock train!
+Dean McFarlane yes. But not as long lived!
citytransportinfo Nowhere near. Gone long before their time but it was obviously meant to be.
Noddy Mac mini 78 stock version
I wonder if they'd hung on for a few more years, if these would have made a good replacement for the 38 stock on the Island Line?
@Miles Holder ...yes I know. I also know that the use of that sub-surface stock requires works, including I believe the lowering of the line under a bridge, which was raised because it used to flood, hence the need for wee trains. So my wondering was, if the 83 stock had hung on for a few more years, if these would have been a more natural replacement and not needed all that work?
I think the 83 stock had many technical etc issues and the fast paced evolution of electronics had rendered their onboard electrics as 'fit for a museum'. I feel sure they were investigated for this line.
@@CitytransportInfoplus at least the single leaf doors wouldn't have been as much of an issue on the Island Line :-)
So what ends must the 31½ trains've met? Concluding your having to get rid of them is but the first matter.
I believe this was considered but there was a potential problem with unprotected equipment being exposed to the sea air, which was also why the 1959 stock was not used.
I wish I could have gone on this stock my friend Julian has been on it before.
5:14 that brake release sounded like our NYC R46 subway cars😍😍
The only underground stock I've come across that doesn't have any acceleration traction motor sound or at least the sound was extremely low.
Also, one of the only Stock that was never refurbished into the London Underground complex livery, in the London Underground complex era.
I do hear a faint ac like acceleration noise at 2:20 but yes you are right it was extremely low...
Their traction motors were the leftovers from the Piccadilly Line recycled. Hence why they sounded different from the rest of the line. Yet as you hear them slow down, you hear the same deceleration noise of the traction motors as you do on the Piccadilly Line.
@@waleedarif6740They were going to trial it, but other stock had to take priority. Once they got around to the Jubilee line’s turn, they had begun replacing them with 1996 stock already. So was pointless. Only other stocks that never got a refurb were the 1959 and 1961 stock on the Northern and Central Lines.
Cool - thanks.
actually, its four!
if you look from the street you might only see two, however if you look from a passing Overground train you should see them all.
I am confused why we have a 1983 stock when it is older than the existing 1973 stock or is it refurbished?
Swiss Cottage northbound is not curved, and I suspect this could be the location at 4:41.
Why didn’t they just move these over to the northern line to replace the 59 stocks? Was it because of the weird door configuration
too many sharp curves on the northern - at about 60 ft the 1983 stock cars were as long (if not longer) as the D stock
Ironically, the only line where door configuration actually matters is Jubilee...
There are acouple of videos that have some footage including one of Fred Ivey's videos.
I guess the sound of these trains inspired the sound for the 1996ts traction motor
They look a hell of a lot like the 1995/96 stock.
Perhaps the seating was somewhat similar, but there are only a few possible options - especially as the trains *must* have longitudinal seats at the car ends / below the bodies - this is to make space for the wheels
That was the plan as they were going to refurbish these and keep them running as far as Charing Cross whilst the 96 stock continued to Stratford. However, an engineer I met who worked on these said that the traction motors were already knackered, the electrics were done on the cheap and rushed and that they all agreed basically that they would lose more money refurbishing these and running them to Charing Cross than they would just shelving the idea. Hence why the 96 stock was built almost identical to these with window size and the green bits by the doors. Originally they were going to keep the 83 stock. Charing Cross is still used as a depot when the 96 stock terminates at Green Park.
Is the closing doors chime on the 1983 stock like in the 1972 stock?
The sound was because the doors were operated using air pressure, until refurbishment the 1972 stock did not have door closing chimes
D stocks little brother
In my culture, trains are described as females, so I'd say more like little sister but in specific, I'd probably say, little cousine.
Deep level cousin
U should of recorded this train going into charing cross station but it's way too late now :(
I managed to get some still images in the now closed platforms. But not video, which is something that I now regret.
like the silver district line
+ Arav Maurya Yes, the 1983 tube stock had many design features that were similar to the D stock. But it was much less reliable.
I think that the 83 stock shouldn't have been fully replaced
Why did they use single leaf doors for these trains? Were they expecting lower than average passenger numbers?
because jubilee Line was from charing Cross up to stanmore then in 1998 they got replaced by 1996 stock
yes, they were expecting lower passenger numbers, plus saw how single leaf doors are cheaper.
early 80s costcutting
@@danwoodhouse9290 and it failed big time.
Bring back the 83 stock !!! ps this vid shows it just going past neasden depot, heading south!!! ie stanmore to charing cross!
Nice video 1983 stock is my favourite underground
The isle of wright missed out on these back in 1995 (correct me if I'm wrong) when these got replaced by the 1996 stock
I think there was a reason why they did not get these trains... I cant remember tho'. Sorry
It's fine i sub to you, your a good information TH-cam about London
i manager at Upminster toldme the 83 stock was "too advanced" for the island line
Ahhhhh I remember this!
What were Metro Cammell thinking to copy the single leaf doors to 1983 stock? They made a dog's dinner on this.
This helped to kill off its service life on the Jubilee line. Only the D Stock was able to get away with it.
I think the idea was to reduce maintenance costs. These trains (and D stock trains) were built at a time of declining passenger numbers and therefore station dwell times a few seconds longer were not seen as a terrible impediment. These trains experienced many technical issues and in the end it was decided that whilst new trains were more expensive the costs could be justified when the cost of resolving the technical issues experienced by these trains was also included in the equation.
As for the D stock, their replacement was also sooner than absolutely needed, again because of the longer station dwell times caused by the single leaf doors. It had been noted how the shorter station dwell times of Circle line trains using C stock (which had twin leaf doors) meant that on shared sections of line they they often caught up District Line D stock trains.
other reasons for scrapping these trains early was that the Jubilee Line extension project meant that more trains were needed, the cost of converting these trains to twin leaf doors was going to be 'expensive' and that there was a preference for having single fleets (ie: not different types of trains) on the same lines.
@KOOTHA KOOTHA What did mean is??
Why were these trains retired when they were soo new? Such a waste!
Why do the rights turn off when the train is in motion ?
I think you mean lights! When going over complicated pointwork the train is partially gapped, ie: none of the power collection shoes are touching power supply rails. Newer trains use batteries to prevent this from happening
Thanks nice piece of information there
The looks was the ONLY thing it partly shared with the d78 stock. As for the build quality and excellent reliability, I'm not so sure :P
And the motors
@@daveb0789 I was a toddler when I used the 83 stock. I think the trains suspension and doors sounded similar to the D stock.
I prefer the current rolling stock to this
Andrew Lipiainen I know right
YEEESSSSSSSS :D
@KOOTHA KOOTHA Late 1999 actually
It was vandalism to scrap these when you have that awful 1972 Mark11 stock still running on the Bakerloo. Even worse was that the later batch were not that old either.
Edward Pearce There were problems with these which required much money to be spent and at the time the 1972's were running better.
Also, I am not sure whether the 1983 trains were too long to fit the tunnels in the sharply curved sections of the Bakerloo Line tunnels.
citytransportinfo Yes and the brakes were poor too. I used to work for LUL at the time. It was still a terrible waste, which a lot of people thought at the time, and still do. Excellent videos btw.
Edward Pearce Thanks :-)
@Joe Schmo There has and still is on the Bakerloo line. The Mk 1s had silver doors and the IIs had red doors. Both were constructed for the Northern line to allow for the withdrawal of the worst 1938 stock which was becoming very troublesome/elderly at the time.
I see the lights were flickering
this happened when crossing complicated pointwork and the power collection shoes were gapped - but not every light would go out as some were also fed by batteries in case of a power failure whilst the train was in a tunnel
Lights were flickering on all pre-electronic trains (before 1992 stock). They could've avoided it by using auxiliary power supply, but they didn't... I don't know why, it was a thing in other countries since early 70's... (they probably using it now on Bakerloo and Piccadilly for DVA, but not for lights...)
I used these in 1997 they went year later funny doors they had
similar doors to the District line D stock trains - this was the second time that a distinctive design appeared on both subsurface and tube trains ... with the tube trains to end up being 'short lived'.
thames news said they were supposed to last until last year so why did they fail
More trains were needed in the late 1990's for the Jubilee Line extension to Stratford and it was decided that the cost of refurbishing the 1983 stock and then running two fleets of trains which need different spare parts etc was not much less then buying enough new trains to also replace the older trains.
This is not the only time that Underground trains have not lasted very long - the 'Watford Joint Stock' on the Bakerloo Line also only lasted a decade or so.
can you show me the other stock plz also is there a 1959 train somewhere
+london underground There's one in Acton Depot.
yes i saw it i hope they put more in there of the trains through time
they had to replace due to the screen doors
@hakc97isback sorry, I am not sure.
Swiss Cottage or St Johns Wood.
1983 stock was replaced by 1996 stocks what I shame these trains were relatively new
all door controls was done by passenger
+Daniel Brown the same applied to District Line D stock and Central Line 1992 tube stock when these trains were first built
the buttons
citytransportinfo would you happen to know when that was ceased?
+sjain D stock had the buttons removed when they were refurbished in the mid 2000's, but the buttons weren't used when the guards were removed, the 1992 stock buttons were never used anyways (on the Central line at least, maybe pre-refurbishment on the Waterloo & City).
doesnt really have much of a motor sound
I think I was in the unmotored trailer.
They didn't have much of a motor sound anyway. They were reconditioned 1973 stock traction motors. I was speaking to one of the project managers who was involved in building these trains. He said he knew they wouldn't last longer than 15 years as they were cheaply built and a quick fix. These were the last built with the old fashioned Silver livery and the only trains apart from the 1959 and 1962 stock that never made it to refurbishment. Saying that the 1959 stock did have a prototype refurbished but when LU realised they could reuse the 1972 stock on the Bakerloo line they decided it would be cheaper and more beneficial to replace the whole line with 1995 stock.
KOOTHA KOOTHA ooooookay then?
Quieter than the current stock on the Jubilee. Was on the Jubilee the other day and have used them regularly to get too Stratford. They are a howling, screaming, screeching, plastic mess. Literally deafening. Why that line was voted one of the most popular with it's trains being a 'big factor' is beyond me.
They are deafening, especially at Baker Street.
The current stock is now 14 years older than these were when they left service. Once TFL get the money, they’ve made it clear that all of the deep level stock will be replaced by the NTFL.
Although the 2009 stock will probably be left untouched as they’re the newest deep level stock on the network.
Problem is, I don’t think they will have the money to replace any other line bar the Piccadilly for another 20 years. Even then, they will be keeping the 1973 stock to run alongside the NTFL. They will not be scrapped as they can’t afford to replace the entire line with them yet.
Kilburn Park@hakc97isback
Big big mistake to have copied the D Stock design onto the 1983 stock. It prematurely killed off their service life on the Jubilee line.
Riddled with constant technical problems and delayed boarding times with the single leaf doors.
Only the ex District line D78 stock could get away with the single leaf doors.
What were the idiots at LT thinking at the time?
Single leaf doors were cheaper - less equipment to maintain. The delays were not so important as this was a time when passenger numbers were lower.
But, as you said, the 1983 fleet had many technical problems and the cost of converting them to twin-leaf doors was going to be so high that it proved to be more cost effective to just build brand new trains.
None Preserved and running as other types?
One car has been retained at the London Transport Acton Depot.
A few cars, I am unsure how many, have been retained in a difficult to see siding near South Harrow station.
4 cards are now on a building roof in Shoreditch, they are used in what I think is an educational facility and can be seen from passing East London Line trains in the Shoreditch area.
I think that the rest of the fleet is 'no more'
citytransportinfo Now the South Harrow cars are no more too
+Juan Sánchez True they were removed by Sonic Rail Services to carry out some maintenance in the area.
+Hornbylad200 they were scrapped last year
There's now just one car at the museum, the 4 at Shoreditch, one at a police training facility (as far as i'm aware), one at the Kids' Hospital at Great Ormond Street, and a couple being used for bomb testing that are pretty much destroyed.
So did i
Jubilee Line D78 Tube Stock
Harry, these were the tube equivalents of the D78 and were called 1983ts.
@@CitytransportInfoplus 1983 trailer standard? well they were preserved little (less then the driver motors) but I think you meant tube stock
Everything about those trains are horrible. Good that the 1996 stock replaced them!
Kieran Hughes Damn sight better that the 72s on the Bakerloo.
True
I spent a few years taking the bakerloo on the northern section, my bones are still rattling to this day.
@@EM-yk1dw Feck off heh heh
Kim Il-sung you can just say that to someone‘A opinion
Jubilee Line 1983 Tube Stock