I dont mean to be offtopic but does any of you know a trick to get back into an instagram account..? I was dumb lost the password. I appreciate any assistance you can give me
@Aries Ulises i really appreciate your reply. I got to the site thru google and I'm in the hacking process atm. Seems to take quite some time so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
I worked for LTPB between 1965 to 1974 in the building section based at Junction Road. The two main lines I worked on were the Edgware and High Barnet. When the trains would pull in we would speak to the guards to keep the doors open longer so we could get building materials in to take from one station to the other. One day we tripped getting into a coach and we dropped these bags of cement and they burst, the passengers got covered in cement. We also had a black gang, that repaired the bitumen on the platforms, we used to push the hand rollers into the coaches to take to another station, this particular day we pushed it in and it went through the floor of the coach, needless to say we were not the flavour of the month. Being a carpenter I did a lot of restoration work for LT, the biggest one was when the fire went through Totteridge station. I have lots of different stories I could tell. I still say working for LTBP was the best job I ever had. John.
Arguably the finest design of underground train ever produced for London Transport. I love the the warm, cosy interiors and the seating layout. The sound of the compressors also brings back memories.
I was a Guard on the Piccadilly line around 1970,there were a few of these back then on the Picc Line,I also drove them several times,good to see them again! (The lighting then was with small bulbs installed so it was pretty dim inside the carriages.)
I remember seeing these on the Piccadilly line. Mostly they were on the Northern and Bakerloo. The lights would dim slightly when the train accelerated - especially when leaving stations. Thankfully we still have one of these trains, in the heritage fleet.
@@CitytransportInfoplus Yes you're right about the lights dimming,also they were slightly faster than the later stock,noticeable on the long stretch between Hammersmith and Acton town. There were also a couple of 1962 stock trains on the picc line at that time,with one having experimental electric doors which could not be held open,as a guard we had to be extra careful on those!
I qualified as a motorman, also on the Piccadilly Line, in the mid-70s after a 3 year apprenticeship & 6 month stint as a guard. I fondly remember driving these great trains as well as having driven 1956/59/62 & 73 stocks. I still have the guard's key & motorman's control & reverser keys as momentos of those days. Would love to have a go of the preserved train though! One can dream, eh!
Do you know how many were on the Piccadilly Line? I never saw or rode on any in service, but I know they were there....I remember seeing one in one of the bays at Northfields Depot whilst passing through in 1975, this was whilst the first 1973 Stock units were on test, so that '38 example couldn't have been on the line for much longer....
@@ianmcclavin I grew up in Southgate, I remember the red trains as a special treat. I would would estimate no more than one in five units were this stock.
Very early, one Sunday morning in the summer of 1991, I rode one of these trains south from Golders Green. Though I'm Canadian, and was just visiting England for the summer, I was already enough of a transit geek that I recognized that this was a special historical train, so I *had to* ride it.
Oh how i loved these trains on the Bakerloo line! I used to travel in the 1970s. The light was dimmer and cosy. Mind you if you wore high heels in the rush hour and held the ceiling strap, if there was a curve in the tunnel you nearly ended up on the knee of the person sitting in front of you! But they smelt great and made a proper clanking ‘tube’ noise. So glad they’ve preserved one
I enjoyed watching that. Brought back memories of a school trip to London 1977 & my first time riding the underground. I loved the dim lighting flickering, the wood finish inside & the sound of the traction unit as it gained speed. Thank you 😊
It says a lot about the quality of 1930's construction standards that (admittedly a small number of them) the 1938 stock is still in full daily service
Yes, I often wonder how long present-day trains will last. Especially with respect of electric control gear where the technology is always advancing. Already we've seen trains withdrawn because despite being a decade or so 'old' the electrics were so obsolete that spare parts were unobtainable. (Birmingham Airport Maglev train)
citytransportinfo wonder if the 1972 mk2 stock currently on the Bakerloo line will be a viable option for replacing the 1938 (class 483) stock currently on the Isle of Wight
Perhaps, at present though these are needing major rebuilds (because of rust) just to keep them going. It might be better for the Isle of Wight to get some extra trains tagged on to the next batch of tube trains.
5:27 The archetypal sounds of the London of yore: descending planes scything the suburban sky and the mellifluous ascending moan of eternally departing tube trains and old EMUs
Drove these trains on the Northern Line in 1969. Based at Golders Green. Although there were plenty of speed limits these trains had no speedometers then. They kept breaking down and kicked up a lot of dust from the brake pads. So glad when I was moved to the Central Line with more modern trains. The worst trains I remembered was the Q Stock on the District Line.
I am too young to remember the Q stock. I'm hoping that the London Transport Museum project to create a 4 car Q stock train which can carry passengers is successful.
Oh these 1938 cars were my all time favourites since the age of 4 I wanted to be a tube train driver, and what did I become a drummer with Long John Baldry
When these tube trains were in service, during the sixties and seventies, they were much neglected and often dirty. Some were cleaned before being withdrawn, after there was an increase in funding. So nice see one in a condition close, to what have been like when new. These trains are art deco style for an art deco tube system. ❤️
Take a trip to the isle of wight, i was there last week and you can still ride this stock day in day out for real on their island Line, lovely old trains.
I had a ride on one just before withdrawal ( 1985? ) and loved it. Rode two on the i.o.w. worse experience in a long time, I think the p way was to blame. By the way love your work. My local line was the central at West Ruislip ( I still miss the 62 stock ). Now living in Dorset .
The Bakerloo always has had the old trains on the network... the 1938 stock being replaced by the ex-jubilee 1972 Mk2 stock with a couple of Mk1s from the Northern Line.
It got brand new trains with the Watford Joint Stock, but they only lasted a decade or so as the Standard stock was faster. I think the 1938 tube stock was new when they were introduced on the Bakerloo Line - replacing the 1920 Tube Stock which was built by Cammell Laird and had oval end windows (like the subsurface F stock)
I used to live on the Isle of Wight when I was a kid and watched the 1938 tube stock go past my back garden. The trains are still in use on the island too. Some great heritage.
In the 1970s during the Callaghan government, this is the tube stock I remember riding on when I rode the Northern Line. They were distinctive from the Picadilly and Victoria line stock, by then 1957 or 1968 stock. Many stations then, also had wood escalators.
The Piccadilly had mostly 1959 tube stock but also used a few of these 1938's as well, especially in rush hours, whilst the Victoria had the 1967 tube stock.
The 70's were interesting on the Northern Line. They kept the best condition 1938 Stock, and introduced the two fleets of 1972 Stock, Mk2 with red painted doors, Mk1 unpainted, so it was anyone's guess what type of train was going to turn up!! Eventually the 1938 Stock gave way to 1959 Stock off the Piccadilly, which also displaced the 1972 Mk2 Stock to the Jubilee Line via the Bakerloo. The Northern was, eventually the last line to operate 1938 Stock, as after the last Bakerloo example had been withdrawn, five trains were reinstated on the Northern Line in the peaks, until 1989.
5:50 The 'Unknown Location' Is a view point off of Harley Road in Harlesden. It particularly looks over the part of the Barkerloo line section in between Willesden Junction and Harlesden, where the line cuts underneath the national rail / freight lines that run towards the Royal Mail Depot I believe.
I couldn't help but think of some preserved pre-war IND subway cars here in New York...and then I looked and found that they're from the same era. Only some of those old IND cars are actually owned by the New York Transit Museum, but through certain deals, there are enough to operate a single 8-car train for a special weekend service toward the end of the year. This particular service is open to the public (just pay the fare as if you were using any other route), unlike most excursions.
Thanks for the nice video ! I rode these trains back in the day ! Never gave even a first thought then about train with no guards ! Still,this must be seen as progress. Sadly, MONEY MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND FOR CERTAIN TYPES ! Bob in Brittany.
Ah yes,that's what you see on refurbed stock,but let me take you back to 70/80's,by then they were dirty filthy crabby old things,you sunk in the seats as they were 'shot',just like today's picalilly outdated stock,oh and fag buts stuck between the floor slats (wooden),stunk of nicotine,i think smoking was banned after kings x fire in '87,and if you want to learn about a real bad crash,wealdstone early 60's was HORRENDOUS....Pete
I suspect that the stylish lampshades were removed and not replaced, perhaps as a way to save money, the circular lights were the light bulbs from which came the illuminated.
Was it this stock which was involved in that tragic Moorgate Disaster in 1975. Motorman Newson was the Driver if I recall correctly. Never got to the bottom of it .
Yes it was. I passed through Moorgate station (albeit a different platform) on my way to school about 20 minutes before the event. It was a terrible disaster with many people killed and although theories abound no-one is really sure why the train ran through the station non-stop and smashed into the tunnel end wall.
originally the front lights were illuminated in different configurations as a headcode as a way of telling some railway workers (signalmen - who would not be able to see the destination boards) to know where it was going
its a mix - some of the moving images was HD filming in the period 2012 - 2018, but also there are older scenes which were filmed using a SD video camcorder, S-VHS video (mostly in the 1990s) and 1980s footage using a super 8 film camera.
I remember the Carriage in the London Transport Museum carried the destination Bushey Heath Via Charing Cross, a nod to the never finished Northern heights project
The tube car at the Buckinghamshire Railway Centre at Quainton Road station does this too. I feel very strongly that not completing the electrification works was a very big mistake, although perhaps instead of doubling the Finchley Central - Edgware line passing loops at both Mill Hill stations might have sufficed. I can understand why the extension from Edgware was abandoned, although so much was already built... Apparently some people (children, I think) drowned whilst playing in the abandoned extension tunnels in the Elstree area. This was only 'made safe' when the M1 motorway was built.
@@CitytransportInfoplus apparently, Brockley Hill station would have been within the Greenbelt boundary, but Elstree South and Bushey Heath were outside
6:50 The 1938s had lost their fluted Art-Deco glass lampshades well before then, in the 1960s - though they were still to be seen in some sub-surface 'Q' stock cars after that.
They were a bit like the IND museum train sonicboy678 mentions - all sorts of oddments coupled together, clerestory-roofed 1920s cars contrasting with streamlined ex-1930s stock - those were the ones with the Art-Deco lampshades. My favourite Q stock carriage was a 1923 driving-motor with a completely flat front that made it resemble a goods-van (the clerestory didn't curve down at the ends), very high-backed transverse seats, old-fashioned bell-shaped lampshades, brass-scrollwork ventilators and some quite elaborate wood panelling. I don't think the drivers and guards liked it much, though: there was a wooden destination-board instead of a roller-blind, the driving-cab was very narrow, and the guard was hidden away in an equally cramped cubby-hole with non air-operated doors; I remember it always used to start with a huge lurch, even compared with the almost equally ancient driving-motor at the other end of the train.
In September 2019, South Western Railway announced it would be leasing five two-car Class 484s (refurbished D78 district line trains) for use on the upgraded Island Line, Ryde Pier Head to Shanklin, Isle of Wight from 2020. These will continue to be powered by electricity drawn from the third rail
I've only been there once, it was in 1986 when Network SouthEast had a special offer on Network Day. Alas I have not found any films at all from that day, which is a surprise. I cant remember why - surely I did take a camera?
thats the compressor - the doors were air powered (and so were the brakes) and that sound is the machine which creates the compressed air that these need - to those of us who actually travelled on these trains hearing that sound (plus the starting and ending sounds) adds authenticity. Some trains still have these, so its still possible to hear this sound today (2020) eg: Class 315 trains, 1972 tube stock, Class 455 - all of these trains are used in various parts of London
@@CitytransportInfoplusThanks. Thought it was something like that. So is that the same sound as 1996 stock on the northern line, or they don't use compressed air?
They just look so... normal and familiar. These were the ones I went on in my teens in the early 80s when I started going to lo dont on my own. All the noises, the doors the compressors. Fantastic
is that what those buttons were called? we were so awful...dingily curvy platforms were the best for mucking up thereat alighters' days...oo la, porter's button
If you think that train is small then you would do well to visit the Glasgow Subway. Its trains are even smaller! Best tio go soon, as there will soon be brand new fully walk-through trains!
Hmm, interesting question ... at some stage (I do not recall exact dates) trains started being painted in Bus Red instead of what I think was called Underground Red. The Bus Red was a lighter shade! Especially the trains in the District line were formed of train units in the different shades, I am not sure about the Bakerloo line trains.
@@CitytransportInfoplus Yes, I think the change in red colour scheme coincided in each case with the gold "London Transport" lettering being replaced with white roundels on the sides.
Maybe, although not in the areas with the transverse seats If you visit the London Transport Museum in Covent Garden you can sit in part of 1938 stock tube train car.
I have read conflicting information as to the construction of the 1938 tube stock. Steel or aluminium? The train involved at Moorgate was 1938 stock but I have read about rescuers cutting through steel.
It had to be steel, as the first aluminium trains were built after WW2 The first use of aluminium was in some of the post-war R stock, although most of the fleet were 1938 Q stock cars which were converted after the war. The first aluminium tube trains (similar in size to the 1938 stock) were the experimental 1956 tube trains.
@@CitytransportInfoplus Thanks for that. I wonder if the Moorgate crash would have been much different if the stock had been made from the lighter material!!
@@pauloconnor2980 Paul ally is weaker than steel,the crash would have been worse in my view,hence the wings of the planes at 9/11 cutting through steel columns did not add up,the wings would have fallen off or whatever,but that all depends on one's view about 9/11 ! You can easily research that on utube
I'm not a train geek but I'm fascinated by these particular trains. There's something about them, maybe it's because they're from an era when my grandparents were children. I might have to visit the Isle of Wight just to have a ride on one.
Only these trains had those closely spaced bus style seats. Especially tall adults were too big for them - not enough leg room (just like aircraft seats). This did not worry me when I used them as I was a teenage schoolboy.
Are these trains still used on this line or is it just one train that comes out of a museum every now and then? I know they're still used for now in the IOW.
@@kilianb.3859 there are 2 diffrent types of london underground trains: subsurface (which are larger and run quite close to the streets above since they were tunneled with the cut and cover method, the subsurface lines are circle, hammersmith and city, metropolitian, district.) Then u have the deep level trains which is smaller since the tunnels they were designed to fit into was cut by tunneling shields and were very deep underground (the 1938 stock is part of this) the deep level lines are bakerloo, victoria, jubilee, northen, picadilly, central, waterloo and city. (I cant remember if i missed any out).
People were often smaller, I can remember old people as a kid in the sixties, who were shorter and smaller than my parents, who were born before the second world war.
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The 1938 stock fits so seemingly well in a modern version of the tube network. They are beautiful.
These trains still feel quite modern, they certainly don’t feel ancient
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I worked for LTPB between 1965 to 1974 in the building section based at Junction Road. The two main lines I worked on were the Edgware and High Barnet. When the trains would pull in we would speak to the guards to keep the doors open longer so we could get building materials in to take from one station to the other. One day we tripped getting into a coach and we dropped these bags of cement and they burst, the passengers got covered in cement. We also had a black gang, that repaired the bitumen on the platforms, we used to push the hand rollers into the coaches to take to another station, this particular day we pushed it in and it went through the floor of the coach, needless to say we were not the flavour of the month. Being a carpenter I did a lot of restoration work for LT, the biggest one was when the fire went through Totteridge station. I have lots of different stories I could tell. I still say working for LTBP was the best job I ever had. John.
Arguably the finest design of underground train ever produced for London Transport. I love the the warm, cosy interiors and the seating layout. The sound of the compressors also brings back memories.
I was a Guard on the Piccadilly line around 1970,there were a few of these back then on the Picc Line,I also drove them several times,good to see them again! (The lighting then was with small bulbs installed so it was pretty dim inside the carriages.)
I remember seeing these on the Piccadilly line. Mostly they were on the Northern and Bakerloo.
The lights would dim slightly when the train accelerated - especially when leaving stations.
Thankfully we still have one of these trains, in the heritage fleet.
@@CitytransportInfoplus Yes you're right about the lights dimming,also they were slightly faster than the later stock,noticeable on the long stretch between Hammersmith and Acton town.
There were also a couple of 1962 stock trains on the picc line at that time,with one having experimental electric doors which could not be held open,as a guard we had to be extra careful on those!
I qualified as a motorman, also on the Piccadilly Line, in the mid-70s after a 3 year apprenticeship & 6 month stint as a guard. I fondly remember driving these great trains as well as having driven 1956/59/62 & 73 stocks. I still have the guard's key & motorman's control & reverser keys as momentos of those days. Would love to have a go of the preserved train though! One can dream, eh!
Do you know how many were on the Piccadilly Line? I never saw or rode on any in service, but I know they were there....I remember seeing one in one of the bays at Northfields Depot whilst passing through in 1975, this was whilst the first 1973 Stock units were on test, so that '38 example couldn't have been on the line for much longer....
@@ianmcclavin I grew up in Southgate, I remember the red trains as a special treat. I would would estimate no more than one in five units were this stock.
1938 stock looks well ahead of its time, looks about 50 years old not 80
Very early, one Sunday morning in the summer of 1991, I rode one of these trains south from Golders Green. Though I'm Canadian, and was just visiting England for the summer, I was already enough of a transit geek that I recognized that this was a special historical train, so I *had to* ride it.
Oh how i loved these trains on the Bakerloo line! I used to travel in the 1970s. The light was dimmer and cosy. Mind you if you wore high heels in the rush hour and held the ceiling strap, if there was a curve in the tunnel you nearly ended up on the knee of the person sitting in front of you! But they smelt great and made a proper clanking ‘tube’ noise. So glad they’ve preserved one
Head to the Isle if Wight where they were still used daily if you want a real nostalgia fix.
However, I think they are phasing them out now.
@@HammerLex77 unfortunately not anymore
@@Scottish_Transport_Explorer Indeed.
Now pulled from service. ☹️
That bought back some memories. I was a guard on those and have driven them on the Bakerloo line. Had a great time in my younger days !!
I enjoyed watching that. Brought back memories of a school trip to London 1977 & my first time riding the underground. I loved the dim lighting flickering, the wood finish inside & the sound of the traction unit as it gained speed. Thank you 😊
Love love love the colour and design!
It says a lot about the quality of 1930's construction standards that (admittedly a small number of them) the 1938 stock is still in full daily service
Yes, I often wonder how long present-day trains will last. Especially with respect of electric control gear where the technology is always advancing. Already we've seen trains withdrawn because despite being a decade or so 'old' the electrics were so obsolete that spare parts were unobtainable. (Birmingham Airport Maglev train)
citytransportinfo wonder if the 1972 mk2 stock currently on the Bakerloo line will be a viable option for replacing the 1938 (class 483) stock currently on the Isle of Wight
Perhaps, at present though these are needing major rebuilds (because of rust) just to keep them going. It might be better for the Isle of Wight to get some extra trains tagged on to the next batch of tube trains.
I understand
LT spent 3mil on the refurbishment
Beautiful and elegant stock.
Aswome job on digitizing the older footage
Thank you!
There are two ways to enjoy them in the virtual world TS22 London Heritage Pack and Bakerloo Line Train Sim World 2 1938 Stock DLC
5:27 The archetypal sounds of the London of yore: descending planes scything the suburban sky and the mellifluous ascending moan of eternally departing tube trains and old EMUs
Drove these trains on the Northern Line in 1969. Based at Golders Green. Although there were plenty of speed limits these trains had no speedometers then. They kept breaking down and kicked up a lot of dust from the brake pads. So glad when I was moved to the Central Line with more modern trains. The worst trains I remembered was the Q Stock on the District Line.
I am too young to remember the Q stock. I'm hoping that the London Transport Museum project to create a 4 car Q stock train which can carry passengers is successful.
Joe what was wrong with the Q stock?I missed both of these stocks as they were fore my time.
Oh these 1938 cars were my all time favourites since the age of 4 I wanted to be a tube train driver, and what did I become a drummer with Long John Baldry
Well that’s a strange coincidence, Long John Baldry wanted to be a Fireman.
When these tube trains were in service, during the sixties and seventies, they were much neglected and often dirty. Some were cleaned before being withdrawn, after there was an increase in funding. So nice see one in a condition close, to what have been like when new. These trains are art deco style for an art deco tube system. ❤️
Take a trip to the isle of wight, i was there last week and you can still ride this stock day in day out for real on their island Line, lovely old trains.
Not for much longer - they are getting different trains 'soon'.
Do you know when? I love these trains,I'll have to revisit now the lock down is easing!!
@Mr. No Name Well the 483s definitely aren’t coming back!
I had a ride on one just before withdrawal ( 1985? ) and loved it. Rode two on the i.o.w. worse experience in a long time, I think the p way was to blame. By the way love your work. My local line was the central at West Ruislip ( I still miss the 62 stock ). Now living in Dorset .
Thanks for commenting and the good wishes :-)
More to come...
ive never been in to trains but i must say its amazing how far we’ve come, and the little design changes between each model are cool to see
The Bakerloo always has had the old trains on the network... the 1938 stock being replaced by the ex-jubilee 1972 Mk2 stock with a couple of Mk1s from the Northern Line.
It got brand new trains with the Watford Joint Stock, but they only lasted a decade or so as the Standard stock was faster. I think the 1938 tube stock was new when they were introduced on the Bakerloo Line - replacing the 1920 Tube Stock which was built by Cammell Laird and had oval end windows (like the subsurface F stock)
I used to live on the Isle of Wight when I was a kid and watched the 1938 tube stock go past my back garden. The trains are still in use on the island too. Some great heritage.
Beautiful motor and track sounds!
So good to see this i live literally behind York road station which closed in 1932 and is still standing !! These trains would have stopped there!
In the 1970s during the Callaghan government, this is the tube stock I remember riding on when I rode the Northern Line. They were distinctive from the Picadilly and Victoria line stock, by then 1957 or 1968 stock. Many stations then, also had wood escalators.
amiausUSA ay wooden escalators, what caused what happened in 1987 (kings cross fire) to happen
In a documentation about London Underground, a TV reporter wrongly said 1986.
The Piccadilly had mostly 1959 tube stock but also used a few of these 1938's as well, especially in rush hours, whilst the Victoria had the 1967 tube stock.
The 70's were interesting on the Northern Line. They kept the best condition 1938 Stock, and introduced the two fleets of 1972 Stock, Mk2 with red painted doors, Mk1 unpainted, so it was anyone's guess what type of train was going to turn up!! Eventually the 1938 Stock gave way to 1959 Stock off the Piccadilly, which also displaced the 1972 Mk2 Stock to the Jubilee Line via the Bakerloo. The Northern was, eventually the last line to operate 1938 Stock, as after the last Bakerloo example had been withdrawn, five trains were reinstated on the Northern Line in the peaks, until 1989.
5:50 The 'Unknown Location' Is a view point off of Harley Road in Harlesden. It particularly looks over the part of the Barkerloo line section in between Willesden Junction and Harlesden, where the line cuts underneath the national rail / freight lines that run towards the Royal Mail Depot I believe.
Thanks. I looked on Google maps and noticed that there is a very high wall, so it might not be easy to get similar 'present day' scenes.
By the looks of it people were travelling on it like it was a regular train haha
yes regular train, now preserved
I couldn't help but think of some preserved pre-war IND subway cars here in New York...and then I looked and found that they're from the same era.
Only some of those old IND cars are actually owned by the New York Transit Museum, but through certain deals, there are enough to operate a single 8-car train for a special weekend service toward the end of the year. This particular service is open to the public (just pay the fare as if you were using any other route), unlike most excursions.
3:06 D Stock and 1938 Stock side by side, this will happen again soon on the Isle of Wight !
several months apart - the Isle of Wight railway will close for several months and then reopen with the replacement trains
@@CitytransportInfoplus Oh, okay. To adapt the Ryde tunnel and the height of thr platforms I suppose
I feel like the 67 or 72TS would fit better on the island line than the D stock
@@bellcc2930 Very true, but SWR chose the D Stock so that's what will be coming
@@bellcc2930 they want more normal trains instead of tube stock now, hence them using a converted tube stock instead of a normal tube stock
Thanks for the nice video ! I rode these trains back in the day ! Never gave even a first thought then about train with no guards ! Still,this must be seen as progress. Sadly, MONEY MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND FOR CERTAIN TYPES ! Bob in Brittany.
So cool to see guards on the train
I'm pleased to see they have 1970s cigarette ads in the preserved car in the LT Museum.
tobacco adverts (cigarettes, cigars, 'roll your own' tobacco, etc) were very much part of the scene back in those days.
I think the, 'ladies and gentlemen' announcements sound very civilised and appropriate for these old trains!
I love the fact that the train shows, 'London Transport' lettering: this makes me curiously emotional and I don't know why! lol
These are on the Isle of Wight railway
Wow, back when Elephant and Castle was called just Elephant. Times have changed kids
Derpmander Believe the commonly used name is “The Elephant’s Arsehole”
Such a beautiful stock
Ah yes,that's what you see on refurbed stock,but let me take you back to 70/80's,by then they were dirty filthy crabby old things,you sunk in the seats as they were 'shot',just like today's picalilly outdated stock,oh and fag buts stuck between the floor slats (wooden),stunk of nicotine,i think smoking was banned after kings x fire in '87,and if you want to learn about a real bad crash,wealdstone early 60's was HORRENDOUS....Pete
This is not intended to be rude:
At 5:49, I am happy he put Unknown Location, instead of guessing and getting it wrong. :)
Thank you.
I do not see that as being rude or anything bad at all.
Oh, thanks!! I am going to London tomorrow (3.4.18) and will be uploading some trains videos, I would love you to see them!! Thanks. Gary.
Is there any reason why the stylish old lampshades had to be replaced with the hideous new circular ones?
I suspect that the stylish lampshades were removed and not replaced, perhaps as a way to save money, the circular lights were the light bulbs from which came the illuminated.
Been there seen it done it got my job as a Motorman on the Northern line at Edgware in 1970 ...
Never did like them 🤔No where to place your tea ☕when driving😒
That Sound is satisfying.
So so true
Was it this stock which was involved in that tragic Moorgate Disaster in 1975. Motorman Newson was the Driver if I recall correctly. Never got to the bottom of it .
Yes it was. I passed through Moorgate station (albeit a different platform) on my way to school about 20 minutes before the event. It was a terrible disaster with many people killed and although theories abound no-one is really sure why the train ran through the station non-stop and smashed into the tunnel end wall.
There are videos on the Moorgate crash, you can watch.
Almost like the Redbirds of NYC...
The headlight configuration is strange though...
originally the front lights were illuminated in different configurations as a headcode as a way of telling some railway workers (signalmen - who would not be able to see the destination boards) to know where it was going
When was this? this could not of been the 1980s by the quality on the camera.
its a mix - some of the moving images was HD filming in the period 2012 - 2018, but also there are older scenes which were filmed using a SD video camcorder, S-VHS video (mostly in the 1990s) and 1980s footage using a super 8 film camera.
1938 now in muziem of transport
I remember the odd 38 working on Piccadilly Line from Uxbridge in mid 70s.
I feel sure that I saw this a few times.
I bet you put a lot of thought into that comment.
I remember the Carriage in the London Transport Museum carried the destination Bushey Heath Via Charing Cross, a nod to the never finished Northern heights project
The tube car at the Buckinghamshire Railway Centre at Quainton Road station does this too.
I feel very strongly that not completing the electrification works was a very big mistake, although perhaps instead of doubling the Finchley Central - Edgware line passing loops at both Mill Hill stations might have sufficed. I can understand why the extension from Edgware was abandoned, although so much was already built... Apparently some people (children, I think) drowned whilst playing in the abandoned extension tunnels in the Elstree area. This was only 'made safe' when the M1 motorway was built.
@@CitytransportInfoplus apparently, Brockley Hill station would have been within the Greenbelt boundary, but Elstree South and Bushey Heath were outside
6:50 The 1938s had lost their fluted Art-Deco glass lampshades well before then, in the 1960s - though they were still to be seen in some sub-surface 'Q' stock cars after that.
Thanks... I never experienced the Q stock, it finished when I was quite young.
They were a bit like the IND museum train sonicboy678 mentions - all sorts of oddments coupled together, clerestory-roofed 1920s cars contrasting with streamlined ex-1930s stock - those were the ones with the Art-Deco lampshades. My favourite Q stock carriage was a 1923 driving-motor with a completely flat front that made it resemble a goods-van (the clerestory didn't curve down at the ends), very high-backed transverse seats, old-fashioned bell-shaped lampshades, brass-scrollwork ventilators and some quite elaborate wood panelling. I don't think the drivers and guards liked it much, though: there was a wooden destination-board instead of a roller-blind, the driving-cab was very narrow, and the guard was hidden away in an equally cramped cubby-hole with non air-operated doors; I remember it always used to start with a huge lurch, even compared with the almost equally ancient driving-motor at the other end of the train.
London Tranport 1938 Tube Stock
Ah yes, those red leather arm rests polished to a mirror finish by countless elbows. Memories!
sounds nearly like old DSB S-Tog
probably they were built in the same era
1938 stock is due to be replaced on the Isle of Wight very soon. Maybe they'll get some later Tube stock to replace it.
that is what is happening - albeit in the form of converted District line trains from Vivarail
In September 2019, South Western Railway announced it would be leasing five two-car Class 484s (refurbished D78 district line trains) for use on the upgraded Island Line, Ryde Pier Head to Shanklin, Isle of Wight from 2020. These will continue to be powered by electricity drawn from the third rail
good video remember trains well used to drive trains on district line from acton town in 70sI see depot is now museum
No clips of the ones on the Isle of Wight?
Better have it in a seperate video.
I've only been there once, it was in 1986 when Network SouthEast had a special offer on Network Day. Alas I have not found any films at all from that day, which is a surprise. I cant remember why - surely I did take a camera?
What's that winning sound at 7:30 as the doors open? I also hear it on the northern line.
thats the compressor - the doors were air powered (and so were the brakes) and that sound is the machine which creates the compressed air that these need - to those of us who actually travelled on these trains hearing that sound (plus the starting and ending sounds) adds authenticity.
Some trains still have these, so its still possible to hear this sound today (2020) eg: Class 315 trains, 1972 tube stock, Class 455 - all of these trains are used in various parts of London
@@CitytransportInfoplusThanks. Thought it was something like that.
So is that the same sound as 1996 stock on the northern line, or they don't use compressed air?
They just look so... normal and familiar. These were the ones I went on in my teens in the early 80s when I started going to lo dont on my own. All the noises, the doors the compressors. Fantastic
The train from the London Transport Museum would look better if the window pillars were painted cream.
maybe but the trains spent many years with red window pillars - so the LTM livery is authentic, for when the trains were withdrawn
is that what those buttons were called? we were so awful...dingily curvy platforms were the best for mucking up thereat alighters' days...oo la, porter's button
I'm guessing London was populated by "little people" back in 1938... judging by the height of the old stock
If you think that train is small then you would do well to visit the Glasgow Subway. Its trains are even smaller! Best tio go soon, as there will soon be brand new fully walk-through trains!
The eight is more than 6-feet 7 inches inside at the center. You step "down" into them.
The height of the 'old stock' is the same as any other tube stock. It is dictated by the size of the tube, not the height of the passengers.
Even the Epping Ongar line
5:50 Unknown location, it's just after Harlesden if heading southbound. See this video watch?v=s7cX_M-4irA between 14:40 and 14:57.
Does the preserved unit still run excursions?
The P2 Person it’s currently undergoing testing to receive its certificate to allow it to continue running but yes it can still run
Plus they run on the isle or Wright
That's good to hear. And yes, I already knew some of them still run on the Isle of Wight.
The only problem now is with the resignalling of the underground the amount of lines it can operate on is gradually shrinking
Is that shade of red the same as 38s had in 1970s? My memory is of a darker shade.
Hmm, interesting question ... at some stage (I do not recall exact dates) trains started being painted in Bus Red instead of what I think was called Underground Red. The Bus Red was a lighter shade! Especially the trains in the District line were formed of train units in the different shades, I am not sure about the Bakerloo line trains.
@@CitytransportInfoplus Yes, I think the change in red colour scheme coincided in each case with the gold "London Transport" lettering being replaced with white roundels on the sides.
Definitely darker similar to cardinal red colour in 1950/60s
Is it my imagination, or were the 1938 stock trains more spacious than the current trains on the Northern Line?
Maybe, although not in the areas with the transverse seats
If you visit the London Transport Museum in Covent Garden you can sit in part of 1938 stock tube train car.
Got That Right,So Were The A and D stock on the Met/District Lines
No way!
I have read conflicting information as to the construction of the 1938 tube stock. Steel or aluminium? The train involved at Moorgate was 1938 stock but I have read about rescuers cutting through steel.
It had to be steel, as the first aluminium trains were built after WW2
The first use of aluminium was in some of the post-war R stock, although most of the fleet were 1938 Q stock cars which were converted after the war. The first aluminium tube trains (similar in size to the 1938 stock) were the experimental 1956 tube trains.
@@CitytransportInfoplus Thanks for that. I wonder if the Moorgate crash would have been much different if the stock had been made from the lighter material!!
I know what you mean, but do not know the answer. I do not know the strength / crashworthyness of the different materials.
@@pauloconnor2980 Paul ally is weaker than steel,the crash would have been worse in my view,hence the wings of the planes at 9/11 cutting through steel columns did not add up,the wings would have fallen off or whatever,but that all depends on one's view about 9/11 ! You can easily research that on utube
@@CitytransportInfoplus Were the experimental trains the basis for the ones used on the Central Line from sometime in the mid 60's.
Nice
Love it
This train should be ready by now.
These London tube trains are so short, height-wise.
Yes - tall people do have to mind their heads.
Some trains are taller. Especially on the sub-surface lines.
I'm not a train geek but I'm fascinated by these particular trains. There's something about them, maybe it's because they're from an era when my grandparents were children. I might have to visit the Isle of Wight just to have a ride on one.
Dont Have To.Hop On A Bakerloo Line to Harrow and Wealdstone,like stepping into a time warp!
There is a static one of these you can sit in at the London Transport Museum in Covent Garden.
How can I get a ride on this I presume it’s the only one left.
London Transport Museum runs them, and the information is advertised on their website ('vehicles on the move' page)
Or you could just go to the Isle of Wight
Epping-Ongar railway will convert two Class 483s (Island Line 38 stock) to battery operation.
The old trains look like a bus
Only these trains had those closely spaced bus style seats. Especially tall adults were too big for them - not enough leg room (just like aircraft seats). This did not worry me when I used them as I was a teenage schoolboy.
The conversion units look so worn down
Much smarter colour schemes and livery’s. 👍
When was this filmed
it spans many years from the mid 1980s to 2019
0:57
Are these trains still used on this line or is it just one train that comes out of a museum every now and then? I know they're still used for now in the IOW.
Grandpa 👴🏻 train 🚂
Wow, the old trains were small :D
London still has trains that size.
In Glasgow, Scotland, their Subway trains are even smaller!
@@CitytransportInfoplus Thank you for your answer, I didn't know that. :)
@@kilianb.3859 there are 2 diffrent types of london underground trains: subsurface (which are larger and run quite close to the streets above since they were tunneled with the cut and cover method, the subsurface lines are circle, hammersmith and city, metropolitian, district.) Then u have the deep level trains which is smaller since the tunnels they were designed to fit into was cut by tunneling shields and were very deep underground (the 1938 stock is part of this) the deep level lines are bakerloo, victoria, jubilee, northen, picadilly, central, waterloo and city. (I cant remember if i missed any out).
People were often smaller, I can remember old people as a kid in the sixties, who were shorter and smaller than my parents, who were born before the second world war.
The new trains are just bullshit
not quite, but yes these are nicer!
What line is that stock on
At the time Stanmore was served by the Bakerloo line - nowadays it is served by the Jubilee line
Why it screen like 2018 it need to be 1938 screen not 2018
Also wait it a. Museum train sorry
First of all, in 1938 video quality was better than today's HD, but due to the fact it's old and filmed on old cameras it appears bad quality.
I grew up with these red tubes on district line in East London
In the 70s that was they were taken out of circulation about 79