Fun fact: There used to be a specially designed tube carriage specifically intended for the transport of Elephants however it was never used due the lack of reason for it to exist.
Indeed. How about the Watford Joint Stock, specifically for the Bakerloo service on the dc lines from Queen's Park to Watford Junction? Quite niche really.
I've always liked the look of the 1906 Gate Stock, with their rounded body shape, their large windows, and especially their clerestory roofs with the rounded ends. I wonder if anyone would be interested in building a replica, even a single coach, so we have a full-size representation of what they were like.
I seriously doubt it. Tube stock is challenging because they would need some disused section of LU to drive on, and the only section spring to mind, the Aldwych-branch, is likely to be severed permanently, as the space at the Holborn-end is required for improving Holborn station. To drive on the mainline - well, the original gate-stock was deemed unsuitable for that already back in the days - not to mention it still needs the electric collection units to work. As a static exhibit? Maybe, but then realistically more like a mock-up, without motors and boggies? The LT museum already have a lot of vehicles in storage, so I doubt they'd be interested. You don't spend ££££+ only to put it in a storage. Sorry for sounding pessimistic, but I don't see it happen. Ever.
Great summary. We have a lot to thank UERL and Yerkes for. It's amazing that air powered doors were first installed over 100 years ago, considering that on the mainline network manual slam doors have been common until very recently.
Amtrak still has manually operated doors for the Superliners (but not the similar California Cars or Surfliners), and Amfleet IIs (but, strangely, not Amfleet Is).
In Excelsior, MN, one surviving streetcar (Tram in the U.K.) is a gate car. Duluth Street Railway 78 is a small four-wheel car built in 1893, but it still has its gates because it was never modernized. Rides are given regularly by the shores of Lake Minnetonka.
That was an interesting image of the Edwardian-era three car units. I'm so used to the idea of tube trains being the same length as the platforms, it seems funny to imagine a tube train with just three coaches turning up.
Four car trains were standard running between Epping and Ongar on the central line , occasionally they would go as far as Loughton . They were slightly different to the usual stock on the central line in the fact that there was glass at the front so you could actually see through the drivers cab and along the track
@@steveosborne2297 Really? Surely they were just shortened rakes of the normal tube stock of 1956 or thereabouts. My dad and I travelled on the line around 1967 and he got some cine film footage out the front, but only because the driver had helpfully left the central cab door open. I did get a full frontal view of Epping-Ongar after it was preserved and they ran an ex-BR dmu where indeed you could see out the front, but those never operated the line in LT days. I think the experimental 1960 stock that originally worked the Woodford-Hainault shuttle later gravitated to Epping-Ongar (and I think got reduced from 4 cars to 3) but again, no direct front view. I always thought they looked particularly attractive externally; more rounded.
@@iankemp1131 No I used to use the tube every day (1965-70) to go to school in Buckhurst Hill and once we got back to Epping hop over onto the Ongar line and they always had the see-through cabs .
@@steveosborne2297 Fascinating. Do you know what sort of stock it was? Was it a full glass panel right the way across behind the driving compartment, as in dmus, or just the central connecting door? The latter is what I remember, but you travelled on it much more often than me!
Well done for making your adverts funny and worth watching. I skip nearly all adverts where possible but yours are as good as the rest of your content. You are the play button to my fast forward.
In 1944, AC& F merged with the J.G. Brill company, a maker of buses and trams. I have a radiator? badge lettered for a,c,f (that's the exact way it is done, in lower case) on its upper half and BRILL on the lower half. About 4 inches in diameter, I found it at a classic car show and it sits on a shelf about five feet away from me as I write this.
The 1923 "standard" tube stock would have looked very modern when introduced, and even 100 years later have aged very well. They were still in use on the Isle of Wright lines into the 1990's. Maybe a video about these sets in their centenary year would be good.
This has nothing at all to do with tube lines or railroad rolling stock, but whoever put that cuff and crease in Mr. Yerkes' pants was a master of the craft.
Skilful pressing, the mark of a gentleman. Or would-be one in Yerkes's case. The late Victorian and Edwardian eras were the golden age for social-climbing con artists. Edward VII cared little where your money came from... as long as you splashed it around. But like his British forerunner, George Hudson, Mr Yerkes was a visionary as well as a crook. They gave Britain the world's first intercity network and its first urban rapid transit system.
Great episode. As a railroader, I always love hearing more about the people who work on rail networks, the ‘Gatemen’s allowance’ made me laugh as the company I work for arrived at a similar agreement whereby conductors hired pre-1985 receive a bonus check for the imaginary brakemen no longer working under them.
You have answered our prayers for a new image of Charles Yerkes. Oh Great Hazzard. Oh, How wonderful. Is the guy with the beard another Tube Line entrepreneur?
The American term of car also extended to and is still used for all multiple unit trains also the underground lines adopted directional names -East,West ,South and Northbound rather the conventional Up and Down reference.Trains on the Glasgow system used folding metal lift style doors for many years.
6:00 unforrtunately I have never heard of a company named "Hungarian Railway and carriage works". One contender may be Ganz-Mavag, which in original Hungarian would be spelled like this: Magyar Királyi Állami Vas-, Acél- és Gépgyárak, or it may be a subsidiary to Siemens, who built the first underground railway on the European continent in Budapest, in 1896
I wonder how similar these cars are to the Gibbs Hi-V cars of the Interborough Rapid Transit in New York. Both were constructed by the ACF, and at about the same time. Might be cool to see what the ACF learned from New York that they then applied to the tube and vice versa
I seem to remember in the 1970,s riding on the the Glasgow subway and they had metal gates at the end of the cars but they face on to the platform Top video as usual Jago keep up the great work .
Absolutely right, those were the original 1896-7 cars and apparently although most had air doors fitted later, some of the original lattice gate stock survived in service until refurbishment in 1977.
The use of steel for railway carriages is inextricably intertwined with shredded wheat. Henry Druschel Perky was a pioneer of steel railcars; he invented and then commercialised the shredded wheat biscuit whilst promoting his steel railcars. Eventually the shredded wheat took precedence in his life. He died, coincidentally, in 1906.
To be fair to the _Times_ correspondents, mispronouncing the names of mass transit stations _is_ an ancient American tradition. For example, on the MBTA Green Line in Boston, one of the oldest transit lines in the nation, there is a whole stretch of stations whose names seem to have been scientifically selected to sound as funny as possible when shouted into a balky PA system by someone with a heavy local accent and an imperfect commitment to detail: Lechmere, Science Park, North Station, Haymarket, Government Center, Park Street, Boylston, Arlington.
When the London to Scotland trains were upgraded recently the announcing system was also changed, with English people reading Scottish place names. It wasn't a success and had to be changed back again in the interests of harmonious relations between the two countries...
@@TheAltonEllis When I last lived in greater Boston, 20+ years ago, it was still a crapshoot whether you got one of the silver Red Line trains with the recorded announcements ("Now entering: Porter Square. Change here for the Commuter Rail"), or the old white ones where you might get a yell into the PA if you were lucky ("POHTAH. 'MUTAH RAIL"). :)
Still like the Southern Region ( LSWR / SWR ) from Wimbledon - Raynes Park, Motspur Park, Stoneliegh, Ewell West, Epsom, Ashted , Leatherhead, Effingham Junction , London Road , Guildford and Guildford.
@@highpath4776 Apologies for the pedantry - Wimbledon, Raynes Park, Motspur Park, Worcester Park, Stoneleigh, Ewell West, Epsom, Ashtead, Leatherhead, Effingham Junction, Bookham, Horsley, Clandon, London Road (Guildford) and Guildford.
You didn't show us the museum's Sleet Loco, ESL 107. They were made at Acton Works by joining two 1903 Central Line cabs+equipment compartment together, back to back. Slightly earlier than 1906 stock but similar in design and concept.....
I like the look of the 1906 stock. The cab area looks like a diesel engine front was hastily inserted unto a subway train. They also look like the New York City IRT Hi-V and Lo-V trains (like the Bakerloo 1906 stock, they were built by American Car & Foundry). It's a shame that most of the early sub-surface and deep tube stocks have no single preserved specimen. I was looking at the wikipedia page mfor the 1906 stock, and there is part of only one 1906-stock train preserved.
Have you forgotten the IRT,converted Gate cars,run on the El's? They were run on the 2,3,6&9th lines,and the BRT/BMT cars ran on the Mytle Avenue line,which shut down in the 1960's! The Transit Museum has a few specimens[operational,at that],so all is not lost! Chicago,and Boston also had gate cars,too! And Boston actually operated their cars in Subway service(steel cars hadn't been invented then),so Yerkes influenced much more territory than one might imagine 😳! Thank you for your attention ☺️! Thank you 😇!
I normally avoid sponsorships and ads like the plague, but that guy's face is too great! It looks like he's been spooked by something and he's saying "Woo!"
Great video as always Jago! I am curious though, what's the story about the surviving largest bit of the 1906 stock? Why is it only a remnant and not a whole car? How did it get into its current status?
The book is so considerate, that I'm guessing the "Hungarian Railway and Carriage Works" is supposed to be the "Magyar Waggon- és Gépgyár Rt." (Hungarian Wagon- and Machine Works Company), which was manufacturing carriages for the London underground in 1904 and 1905 in Győr, Hungary. (The company's name was changed a couple of times, added the name Rába - one of the rivers of Győr and also a product line of the company -, then left the "wagon and machine works" part, turned more and more the road vehicles, It still exists today, and has an English name too (besides its Hungarian name) today: RÁBA Automotive Group.
Ah, one has really arrived when there is a letter to The Times to complain about one. It takes great skill to achieve such an accolade, which should be worn with pride. Which is unlike arriving post-haste on the first page of the London Evening Standard which is to be considered to be the ultimate in having displayed bad taste and/or behaviour.
Ah,1906 I remember it well! Lots of old ACF stuff still around here......in Pennsylvania. There was actually many Carbuilders here, some do still exist.
It's very snobbish to criticise local pronunciations such as "Ampstid". When I was young in Harrogate (North Yorkshire) we always called it "Arrygit" but Network Rail announcements at Leeds City station now make it sound like it's in the Home Counties. Now living in Glasgow, I sometimes hear Home Counties types criticising the way we say "Milngavie" - but oblivious that the way they say the River Thames as "Temz" is ludicrous, instead of "Thaymz" or "Tha - mez" at it should probably be. Long live Ampstid if it annoys posh Home Counties types!
I fume every time the automated announcer on a GWR train says "Ivy Bridge" (instead of IVYbridge as one word) so it's not just you northerners who get mistreated this way!
@@danielferris7960 That's interesting - my old local station was Starbeck which is pronounced as two words Star Beck, accent on the second syllable. However the automated annoucements say STAR beck for some reason. There used to be a pub near the station called the Star Beck Inn - two words! I would have said IVYbridge, although I have never alighted there or been there.
@@Clivestravelandtrains A station on my local line in Melbourne is being rebuilt as part of a level crossing removal project, and it's been announced that it's being renamed Glen Huntly instead of Glenhuntly "to correct a historical misspelling" from the 1930s. It's situated on Glen Huntly Road, Glen Huntly so fair enough you might say but no, some of the Facebook posters are quite incensed, particularly the lady who insists it was spelled Glenhuntly on her birth certificate in the 1940s and she's not changing it for anyone. Facebook outrage threads are a gift that keeps on giving.
Local pronunciations - you could start a fight in a monastery with them. The BBC used to publish a booklet with standard pronunciations for place names both in the UK and abroad; a friend who worked as a continuity announcer told of the most terrible arguments during its preparation. My daughter-in-law was born and raised in North Yorkshire and speaks almost perfect RP, but she always refers to the home of Betty's Tea Rooms as 'Arrowgit' - any other choice might result in permanent excommunication from God's own county.
The 1906 stock very much puts me in mind of the original Glasgow Subway rolling stock, especially with the lattice gates and the wood-paneled interiors. Hardly surprising considering roughly 10 years seperated their respective introductions, but still lol
What a tolerable and appreciable ‘Tale From Da Tube’, Mr. J. Hazzard. Keep up 🆙 da good work-Keep ‘em ‘Tales From The Tube 🚇’ arriving onto the TH-cam Station 🚉.
I’m still mildly surprised they Underground, any part of it really, was using the gate method of boarding! I’m so used to the British concept of having multiple sets of sliding doors (or swinging for mainline stock) that this was quite a surprise. Truly a shame none of these Gates are left. New York City had a trio of “Gate” cars preserved by the City’s Transit Museum, though they were wooden and would’ve never worked “Underground” in revenue service
The swinging doors (known as slam doors) are no more. According to Wikipedia the last stock was withdrawn in December 2005, though they did re-appear briefly on a couple of spur lines. They were awkward to use and could be very dangerous (I saw somebody seriously hurt by a carelessly opened door) so I don't mourn their passing. The 'modern' sliding doors are much better, but they let cold air in in the winter.
@@hb1338 Slam doors were (comparatively) safe when all trains had slam doors so people understood and respected them. It was amazing how quickly people forgot slam door safety once sliding door trans entered service; in the West Midlands we withdrew slam door class 310 EMUs in the mid-90s but had to reintroduce them after a few months owing to problems with the replacement class 323 units, and it was unbelievable how stupidly people were behaving on the slammers compared to only 6 months previously. If we'd had mobile-phone-zombies (you know, the ones who walk around in circles and almost fall of the platform edge because they're paying no attention whatsoever to anything except their call) at the same time as slam-door trains there would have been serious injuries daily and at least a fatality a week.
Great video, Jago - always fascinating! Keep up the amazing work! Some new Yerkes photos in this one…? Also, there was a small orange-ish sign on a pillar that reads “RVP” - anyone know what this may stand for?
Yerkes didn't acquire the GN Picadilly & Brompton Railway. He formed it from three of his acquisitions - the GN & Strand, the Piccadilly & Brompton, and the "Deep Level" project of the Metropolitan District Railway. He joined them together by getting authorisation to extebnd the P&B at one end to join the GN & Strand near Holborn, and at the other to join the Deep Level District at South Kensington. The section of the GN&S from Holborn to Strand (later renamed Aldwych) was built, and run as a shuttle until 1994. The DLD was never built east of South Kensington, but the step plate junctions where the two lines would have joined can still be seen, together with the never-used DLD westbound platform tunne. l
The El trains of my old hometown of NYC had larger platforms and gates the last was delivered in 1912. And most of the gate El trains in Manhattan were rebuilt into sliding doors operated by compressed air from an air compressor. 😊
Never heard of the 1906 Stock. But they were nicknamed “The Gate Stock”. Which does seem very strange. But at least they were built to carry passengers when the London Underground was built and expanded as what we know of today.
Last week, I was next to a WW-II era Caterpillar D7, with the American Car & Foundry monogram on the sides of the seat, nested circular initials. Turns out ACF built over 11,000 D7's, some of them for the British Army. Caterpillar supplied the engines and some of the mechanical components. Cat kept it quiet, embarrassed that they needed to farm out some of the production. D7's were favored over D8's, as they were smaller and lighter, so could be carried on a landing craft.
In the old days. the top shelf was where newsagents put the "gentlemen's" magazines, I am told. I think 'top drawer' would be a better choice of words.
Well, I never thought that you'll mention my homeland. So here is a fun fact for you: the official name of the Hungarian supplier was Magyar Waggon- és Gépgyár Részvénytársaság, shortened to (Győri) Vagongyár. Its remnants operate now as Rába.
I appreciated that and did not find I needed to "tolerate" it at all! 😀 On some of those "motor" cars, like the one in the still at 11:32, what is behind those slats? If I didn't know better, I'd say it was where the engine was to generate the electricity for the traction motors ... but I do know better, and know these aren't Diesel-electric (what do you call them? Electro-Diesel or something? When there is an internal combustion engine turning a generator to make electricity ...). So what equipment was in there? Or was it the lounge and they patrons wanted privacy?
@@henrybest4057 Yes, the Standard Stock that Jago mentioned had the same kind of electrical equipment. I remember riding on them on the Isle of Wight in the late 1980s. To control acceleration there were banks of resistors, and relays that switched these in and out. The relays also switched the motors from 'series' (low speed/power) to 'parallel' (high speed/power) as the train speeded up. You could hear all the relays chattering away as the train moved off!
@@SportyMabamba And the 1938 stock was the first tube stock where underfloor switchgear was achieved, with the obvious advantage of leaving more space for passengers in the bodyshell.
In a way the early twentieth century Tube companies, were starting a tradition, that has persisted to this day. Different rolling stock on different lines, although standardisation is still going on. Plus complaints about the Tube service, appear to have become a norm and talking point for the newspapers. 😁
Regarding one's favourite tube stock, I suspect it depends on when one first encountered a tube train. You panned past mine briefly at Acton at 12:09. The triangular roof end grille of the 1938 stock is always notable. They also had comfortable interiors. (Northern Line in the 1960s)
People pay good money nowadays to ride up and down on those old units. It is noticeable that the basic design concept to the tube train hasn't changed much since the gate stock was withdrawn. The modern S stock retains many of the features that were introduced with the 1908 stock. I once visited the Isle of Wight as boy and rode on these very old trains. The commuters using them to travel to Portsmouth on the ferry complained very bitterly about them and eventually they were replaced with slightly more recent vintage trains which were not much of an improvement. The Island Line has now been upgraded with revised D stock, but the company that did the upgrade has gone bust, so the future is uncertain. Thanks for uploading.
Our Melbourne Red Rattlers must have been based on these trains in part. They were very luxurious Edwardian electric suburban trains. It always amazes me how Melbourne 's inner surburn stations in the east and south east were copies of English stations. No wonder I felt at home while in the UK.
Seeing those TH-cam chapters (or whatever their called) on the bottom of the video saying Charles Yorkies almost made me think that there was a life-sized evil chocolate version of Charles Yerkes, which I now realize is definitely something Tfl should do.
Fun fact: There used to be a specially designed tube carriage specifically intended for the transport of Elephants however it was never used due the lack of reason for it to exist.
Lack of reason?
Or lack of jumbo escalators?
I suppose there were no trunk routes on the underground 😁
Was there another for the transport of Castles?
@@stephenlee5929 Interestingly, no. The original intention was for the castles to be placed *below* the elephants during transit.
Well, you can't spell Loxodon without London...
I've got to say that I love how the mahogany panelled carriages looked with the rich colour and wrought iron fixtures, they're just beautiful.
I'd love a series running through all the tube stocks and how good they were!
Indeed. How about the Watford Joint Stock, specifically for the Bakerloo service on the dc lines from Queen's Park to Watford Junction? Quite niche really.
or terrible
A day without a Jago Hazzard video is like boiled egg without soldiers.
I've always liked the look of the 1906 Gate Stock, with their rounded body shape, their large windows, and especially their clerestory roofs with the rounded ends. I wonder if anyone would be interested in building a replica, even a single coach, so we have a full-size representation of what they were like.
I seriously doubt it. Tube stock is challenging because they would need some disused section of LU to drive on, and the only section spring to mind, the Aldwych-branch, is likely to be severed permanently, as the space at the Holborn-end is required for improving Holborn station. To drive on the mainline - well, the original gate-stock was deemed unsuitable for that already back in the days - not to mention it still needs the electric collection units to work. As a static exhibit? Maybe, but then realistically more like a mock-up, without motors and boggies? The LT museum already have a lot of vehicles in storage, so I doubt they'd be interested. You don't spend ££££+ only to put it in a storage. Sorry for sounding pessimistic, but I don't see it happen. Ever.
This electricity thing wont catch on, you mark my words.
Reading this a hundred years later feels different 💀💀💀
2:50 I'm sure everyone's interested - this is Wilton Lackaye as Svengali, from the original 1895 production of "Trilby" at the Park Theatre, Boston.
Great summary. We have a lot to thank UERL and Yerkes for. It's amazing that air powered doors were first installed over 100 years ago, considering that on the mainline network manual slam doors have been common until very recently.
the Munich subway trains still have that to this day, even though they are rapidly being phased out.
Amtrak still has manually operated doors for the Superliners (but not the similar California Cars or Surfliners), and Amfleet IIs (but, strangely, not Amfleet Is).
In Excelsior, MN, one surviving streetcar (Tram in the U.K.) is a gate car. Duluth Street Railway 78 is a small four-wheel car built in 1893, but it still has its gates because it was never modernized. Rides are given regularly by the shores of Lake Minnetonka.
That was an interesting image of the Edwardian-era three car units. I'm so used to the idea of tube trains being the same length as the platforms, it seems funny to imagine a tube train with just three coaches turning up.
They only play this game at Southeastern stations, in the morning. Four coaches instead of eight. The despair! The panic!
Four car trains were standard running between Epping and Ongar on the central line , occasionally they would go as far as Loughton .
They were slightly different to the usual stock on the central line in the fact that there was glass at the front so you could actually see through the drivers cab and along the track
@@steveosborne2297 Really? Surely they were just shortened rakes of the normal tube stock of 1956 or thereabouts. My dad and I travelled on the line around 1967 and he got some cine film footage out the front, but only because the driver had helpfully left the central cab door open. I did get a full frontal view of Epping-Ongar after it was preserved and they ran an ex-BR dmu where indeed you could see out the front, but those never operated the line in LT days. I think the experimental 1960 stock that originally worked the Woodford-Hainault shuttle later gravitated to Epping-Ongar (and I think got reduced from 4 cars to 3) but again, no direct front view. I always thought they looked particularly attractive externally; more rounded.
@@iankemp1131 No I used to use the tube every day (1965-70) to go to school in Buckhurst Hill and once we got back to Epping hop over onto the Ongar line and they always had the see-through cabs .
@@steveosborne2297 Fascinating. Do you know what sort of stock it was? Was it a full glass panel right the way across behind the driving compartment, as in dmus, or just the central connecting door? The latter is what I remember, but you travelled on it much more often than me!
Whenever Jago talks about historical trains, I remember the bit about Eurostar which lives rent-free in my mind.
Jago is one of the only channels I know to make sponsorships interesting and funny 😂
Max Fosh is hilarious as well
How about @JayForeman?
@@simonwinter8839 Well said my namesake.
Well done for making your adverts funny and worth watching. I skip nearly all adverts where possible but yours are as good as the rest of your content.
You are the play button to my fast forward.
In 1944, AC& F merged with the J.G. Brill company, a maker of buses and trams. I have a radiator? badge lettered for a,c,f (that's the exact way it is done, in lower case) on its upper half and BRILL on the lower half. About 4 inches in diameter, I found it at a classic car show and it sits on a shelf about five feet away from me as I write this.
The 1923 "standard" tube stock would have looked very modern when introduced, and even 100 years later have aged very well. They were still in use on the Isle of Wright lines into the 1990's. Maybe a video about these sets in their centenary year would be good.
Just noticed the poster for RIAT. As a reservist I got to work there for several years. Saw some amazing stuff.
Your Ad Reads combined with editing are getting more and more iconic.
This has nothing at all to do with tube lines or railroad rolling stock, but whoever put that cuff and crease in Mr. Yerkes' pants was a master of the craft.
Skilful pressing, the mark of a gentleman. Or would-be one in Yerkes's case. The late Victorian and Edwardian eras were the golden age for social-climbing con artists. Edward VII cared little where your money came from... as long as you splashed it around.
But like his British forerunner, George Hudson, Mr Yerkes was a visionary as well as a crook. They gave Britain the world's first intercity network and its first urban rapid transit system.
Great episode. As a railroader, I always love hearing more about the people who work on rail networks, the ‘Gatemen’s allowance’ made me laugh as the company I work for arrived at a similar agreement whereby conductors hired pre-1985 receive a bonus check for the imaginary brakemen no longer working under them.
You have answered our prayers for a new image of Charles Yerkes. Oh Great Hazzard. Oh, How wonderful. Is the guy with the beard another Tube Line entrepreneur?
The American term of car also extended to and is still used for all multiple unit trains also the underground lines adopted directional names -East,West ,South and Northbound rather the conventional Up and Down reference.Trains on the Glasgow system used folding metal lift style doors for many years.
Another great broadcast. Every time Jago Hazzard drops a video about the tube, the song "The Right Track" from Phyllis Dillon comes into my mind😉
6:00 unforrtunately I have never heard of a company named "Hungarian Railway and carriage works". One contender may be Ganz-Mavag, which in original Hungarian would be spelled like this: Magyar Királyi Állami Vas-, Acél- és Gépgyárak,
or it may be a subsidiary to Siemens, who built the first underground railway on the European continent in Budapest, in 1896
Not quite it's the old name of RABA
Yerkies! There should be a drinking game, everytime Jago does a video and each time he mentions Yerkies you guzzle a pint. 😊
Similar gate car designs were also popular in New York, Chicago, many cities. Power-operated doors arrived in the 1920.
I wonder how similar these cars are to the Gibbs Hi-V cars of the Interborough Rapid Transit in New York. Both were constructed by the ACF, and at about the same time. Might be cool to see what the ACF learned from New York that they then applied to the tube and vice versa
I seem to remember in the 1970,s riding on the the Glasgow subway and they had metal gates at the end of the cars but they face on to the platform Top video as usual Jago keep up the great work .
Absolutely right, those were the original 1896-7 cars and apparently although most had air doors fitted later, some of the original lattice gate stock survived in service until refurbishment in 1977.
Yes definitely in 1971 when I lived there 👍
Oh Jago, how we love your adverts... Another fabulous video. You are the Protagonist to my Tale from the Tube
The use of steel for railway carriages is inextricably intertwined with shredded wheat. Henry Druschel Perky was a pioneer of steel railcars; he invented and then commercialised the shredded wheat biscuit whilst promoting his steel railcars. Eventually the shredded wheat took precedence in his life. He died, coincidentally, in 1906.
I bet he couldn't eat three cars !!
9:23 - Fond memories of this stock on the IOW as a kiddie. (Last rode in in 1986 when it was painted in NSE colours).
Brilliant video, love the pun the gateway to the future 😂
To be fair to the _Times_ correspondents, mispronouncing the names of mass transit stations _is_ an ancient American tradition. For example, on the MBTA Green Line in Boston, one of the oldest transit lines in the nation, there is a whole stretch of stations whose names seem to have been scientifically selected to sound as funny as possible when shouted into a balky PA system by someone with a heavy local accent and an imperfect commitment to detail: Lechmere, Science Park, North Station, Haymarket, Government Center, Park Street, Boylston, Arlington.
Boston native here and I absolutely concur! IF you can hear the announcements at all over the screech of Red Line trains going into Harvard! 🤣
When the London to Scotland trains were upgraded recently the announcing system was also changed, with English people reading Scottish place names. It wasn't a success and had to be changed back again in the interests of harmonious relations between the two countries...
@@TheAltonEllis When I last lived in greater Boston, 20+ years ago, it was still a crapshoot whether you got one of the silver Red Line trains with the recorded announcements ("Now entering: Porter Square. Change here for the Commuter Rail"), or the old white ones where you might get a yell into the PA if you were lucky ("POHTAH. 'MUTAH RAIL"). :)
Still like the Southern Region ( LSWR / SWR ) from Wimbledon - Raynes Park, Motspur Park, Stoneliegh, Ewell West, Epsom, Ashted , Leatherhead, Effingham Junction , London Road , Guildford and Guildford.
@@highpath4776 Apologies for the pedantry - Wimbledon, Raynes Park, Motspur Park, Worcester Park, Stoneleigh, Ewell West, Epsom, Ashtead, Leatherhead, Effingham Junction, Bookham, Horsley, Clandon, London Road (Guildford) and Guildford.
Always happy to see a stock related video from Jago! Hope to see a video one day on my favourite LT Stock, the flare sided CO/CPs.
As usual, incredibly well researched, not least about the gatemen's allowance lasting through to 1985. Well done (as usual).
8:10 Same thing happens here but with bus stops. The announcer at 2x speed is timeless.
Hi Jago from Spain. Yet another trip down Memory Lane. Thank you.
You didn't show us the museum's Sleet Loco, ESL 107. They were made at Acton Works by joining two 1903 Central Line cabs+equipment compartment together, back to back. Slightly earlier than 1906 stock but similar in design and concept.....
I like the look of the 1906 stock. The cab area looks like a diesel engine front was hastily inserted unto a subway train. They also look like the New York City IRT Hi-V and Lo-V trains (like the Bakerloo 1906 stock, they were built by American Car & Foundry).
It's a shame that most of the early sub-surface and deep tube stocks have no single preserved specimen. I was looking at the wikipedia page mfor the 1906 stock, and there is part of only one 1906-stock train preserved.
I like the look of you
I was reminded of a caboose which was the look out carriage on the American railroads.
Funnily enough, I was reminded of the BMT’s old Gate Cars, both in their original form and the rebuild Q and QX
Have you forgotten the IRT,converted Gate cars,run on the El's? They were run on the 2,3,6&9th lines,and the BRT/BMT cars ran on the Mytle Avenue line,which shut down in the 1960's! The Transit Museum has a few specimens[operational,at that],so all is not lost! Chicago,and Boston also had gate cars,too! And Boston actually operated their cars in Subway service(steel cars hadn't been invented then),so Yerkes influenced much more territory than one might imagine 😳! Thank you for your attention ☺️! Thank you 😇!
A big shame/
Well, there was the Great Eastern's 'Jazz Service' operating an intensive steam service into Liverpool Street.
What a lovely 😊 vintage tube train 🚊.
I normally avoid sponsorships and ads like the plague, but that guy's face is too great! It looks like he's been spooked by something and he's saying "Woo!"
Best ad I've seen yet for a computer security service . . . .
Great video as always Jago! I am curious though, what's the story about the surviving largest bit of the 1906 stock? Why is it only a remnant and not a whole car? How did it get into its current status?
Brilliant video as usual, Jago! Your sponsor's video was very good! 😂
Marvellous! A well-presented and informative video, our favourite pantomime villain, a tolerable advert and superb voice acting too.
Great video, as always. Cheers.
The book is so considerate, that I'm guessing the "Hungarian Railway and Carriage Works" is supposed to be the "Magyar Waggon- és Gépgyár Rt." (Hungarian Wagon- and Machine Works Company), which was manufacturing carriages for the London underground in 1904 and 1905 in Győr, Hungary.
(The company's name was changed a couple of times, added the name Rába - one of the rivers of Győr and also a product line of the company -, then left the "wagon and machine works" part, turned more and more the road vehicles, It still exists today, and has an English name too (besides its Hungarian name) today: RÁBA Automotive Group.
Ah, one has really arrived when there is a letter to The Times to complain about one. It takes great skill to achieve such an accolade, which should be worn with pride. Which is unlike arriving post-haste on the first page of the London Evening Standard which is to be considered to be the ultimate in having displayed bad taste and/or behaviour.
Great vid as always Jago 👍
Ah,1906 I remember it well! Lots of old ACF stuff still around here......in Pennsylvania. There was actually many Carbuilders here, some do still exist.
Fun fact: the early balcony design of tube trains were based more or less off the elevated trains in New York.
Interesting video Jago, plus Charles Yerkes.. excellent! Just make sure there's nobody hiding in your house. 😂
My Dad was born in 1914 and told me about the gate stock when I was a kid riding standard stock on the Piccadilly line.
AC&F had quite the portfolio, having built thousands of units for the NYC Subway, and hundreds more for the Pennsylvania and Long Island RR.
…..and you’re the “air-operated doors” 🚪 to all of TH-cam, Mr. J. Hazzard !
It's very snobbish to criticise local pronunciations such as "Ampstid". When I was young in Harrogate (North Yorkshire) we always called it "Arrygit" but Network Rail announcements at Leeds City station now make it sound like it's in the Home Counties. Now living in Glasgow, I sometimes hear Home Counties types criticising the way we say "Milngavie" - but oblivious that the way they say the River Thames as "Temz" is ludicrous, instead of "Thaymz" or "Tha - mez" at it should probably be.
Long live Ampstid if it annoys posh Home Counties types!
I fume every time the automated announcer on a GWR train says "Ivy Bridge" (instead of IVYbridge as one word) so it's not just you northerners who get mistreated this way!
@@danielferris7960 That's interesting - my old local station was Starbeck which is pronounced as two words Star Beck, accent on the second syllable. However the automated annoucements say STAR beck for some reason. There used to be a pub near the station called the Star Beck Inn - two words!
I would have said IVYbridge, although I have never alighted there or been there.
@@Clivestravelandtrains A station on my local line in Melbourne is being rebuilt as part of a level crossing removal project, and it's been announced that it's being renamed Glen Huntly instead of Glenhuntly "to correct a historical misspelling" from the 1930s. It's situated on Glen Huntly Road, Glen Huntly so fair enough you might say but no, some of the Facebook posters are quite incensed, particularly the lady who insists it was spelled Glenhuntly on her birth certificate in the 1940s and she's not changing it for anyone. Facebook outrage threads are a gift that keeps on giving.
Local pronunciations - you could start a fight in a monastery with them. The BBC used to publish a booklet with standard pronunciations for place names both in the UK and abroad; a friend who worked as a continuity announcer told of the most terrible arguments during its preparation. My daughter-in-law was born and raised in North Yorkshire and speaks almost perfect RP, but she always refers to the home of Betty's Tea Rooms as 'Arrowgit' - any other choice might result in permanent excommunication from God's own county.
@@Clivestravelandtrains Stairns to reezun, dunnit. Beck means a small stream, so the name of the village was at some point Star Beck or similar.
The 1906 stock very much puts me in mind of the original Glasgow Subway rolling stock, especially with the lattice gates and the wood-paneled interiors. Hardly surprising considering roughly 10 years seperated their respective introductions, but still lol
What a tolerable and appreciable ‘Tale From Da Tube’, Mr. J. Hazzard. Keep up 🆙 da good work-Keep ‘em ‘Tales From The Tube 🚇’ arriving onto the TH-cam Station 🚉.
10:58 No gatekeeping from you, I guess. That’s nice.
I’m still mildly surprised they Underground, any part of it really, was using the gate method of boarding! I’m so used to the British concept of having multiple sets of sliding doors (or swinging for mainline stock) that this was quite a surprise. Truly a shame none of these Gates are left. New York City had a trio of “Gate” cars preserved by the City’s Transit Museum, though they were wooden and would’ve never worked “Underground” in revenue service
The swinging doors (known as slam doors) are no more. According to Wikipedia the last stock was withdrawn in December 2005, though they did re-appear briefly on a couple of spur lines. They were awkward to use and could be very dangerous (I saw somebody seriously hurt by a carelessly opened door) so I don't mourn their passing. The 'modern' sliding doors are much better, but they let cold air in in the winter.
It shouldn't be surprising. There was once a time when you couldn't use a telephone without it being plugged into a wall.
@@hb1338 Slam doors were (comparatively) safe when all trains had slam doors so people understood and respected them.
It was amazing how quickly people forgot slam door safety once sliding door trans entered service; in the West Midlands we withdrew slam door class 310 EMUs in the mid-90s but had to reintroduce them after a few months owing to problems with the replacement class 323 units, and it was unbelievable how stupidly people were behaving on the slammers compared to only 6 months previously.
If we'd had mobile-phone-zombies (you know, the ones who walk around in circles and almost fall of the platform edge because they're paying no attention whatsoever to anything except their call) at the same time as slam-door trains there would have been serious injuries daily and at least a fatality a week.
In NYC there was The BU gate cars that exclusively ran on elevated lines three of them still exist in the Transit museum
If I had a shot of whisky every time Charles Yerkes is mentioned across all of Jago Hazzards Videos, I think I would be dead
Great video, Jago - always fascinating! Keep up the amazing work! Some new Yerkes photos in this one…? Also, there was a small orange-ish sign on a pillar that reads “RVP” - anyone know what this may stand for?
RVP = Rendezvous Point, it’s where the emergency services will meet LU staff during an incident.
@@SportyMabamba There are many of them dotted around Heathrow Airport as well.
@@SportyMabamba TY!!
Yerkes didn't acquire the GN Picadilly & Brompton Railway. He formed it from three of his acquisitions - the GN & Strand, the Piccadilly & Brompton, and the "Deep Level" project of the Metropolitan District Railway. He joined them together by getting authorisation to extebnd the P&B at one end to join the GN & Strand near Holborn, and at the other to join the Deep Level District at South Kensington. The section of the GN&S from Holborn to Strand (later renamed Aldwych) was built, and run as a shuttle until 1994. The DLD was never built east of South Kensington, but the step plate junctions where the two lines would have joined can still be seen, together with the never-used DLD westbound platform tunne. l
Read the title as 1986 stock (A prototype for the 1992 stock) that only ran from 1988-1989 on the Jubilee line
The El trains of my old hometown of NYC had larger platforms and gates the last was delivered in 1912. And most of the gate El trains in Manhattan were rebuilt into sliding doors operated by compressed air from an air compressor. 😊
"Such methods are only importations from America..."
I'd be suspicious of the Americans too, and I'm American.
Sort of English gone rogue - at least we saved you from being French. 😃
Never heard of the 1906 Stock. But they were nicknamed “The Gate Stock”. Which does seem very strange. But at least they were built to carry passengers when the London Underground was built and expanded as what we know of today.
Last week, I was next to a WW-II era Caterpillar D7, with the American Car & Foundry monogram on the sides of the seat, nested circular initials. Turns out ACF built over 11,000 D7's, some of them for the British Army. Caterpillar supplied the engines and some of the mechanical components. Cat kept it quiet, embarrassed that they needed to farm out some of the production. D7's were favored over D8's, as they were smaller and lighter, so could be carried on a landing craft.
A 12 min vid, nearly feature length, certainly a good short at the flicks from the 1950s, though it does have the ad break in it.
Yerkes also built the largest refractor telescope on Earth which is to be found at the Yerkes Observatory near Chicago.
Different photos of Charles - you're treating us Yerkes connoisseurs!
JAGO: Your research, documentation, and presentation is always top-shelf!! You really have created an impressive body of work!! Thank you!!!
In the old days. the top shelf was where newsagents put the "gentlemen's" magazines, I am told. I think 'top drawer' would be a better choice of words.
Well, I never thought that you'll mention my homeland. So here is a fun fact for you: the official name of the Hungarian supplier was Magyar Waggon- és Gépgyár Részvénytársaság, shortened to (Győri) Vagongyár. Its remnants operate now as Rába.
I hope this is a gateway to more rolling stock videos... pun intended.
I miss travelling by tube, maybe tomorrow is the day 🚉
Funny I'd never noticed but yes, underground carriages are referred to as cars in announcements. It's quicker I suppose.
I may look into that museum when I return to London for another visit.
I appreciated that and did not find I needed to "tolerate" it at all! 😀
On some of those "motor" cars, like the one in the still at 11:32, what is behind those slats? If I didn't know better, I'd say it was where the engine was to generate the electricity for the traction motors ... but I do know better, and know these aren't Diesel-electric (what do you call them? Electro-Diesel or something? When there is an internal combustion engine turning a generator to make electricity ...). So what equipment was in there?
Or was it the lounge and they patrons wanted privacy?
@@henrybest4057 Yes, the Standard Stock that Jago mentioned had the same kind of electrical equipment. I remember riding on them on the Isle of Wight in the late 1980s. To control acceleration there were banks of resistors, and relays that switched these in and out. The relays also switched the motors from 'series' (low speed/power) to 'parallel' (high speed/power) as the train speeded up. You could hear all the relays chattering away as the train moved off!
That’s the electrical switchgear compartment.
Nowadays it’s under the floors
@@SportyMabamba And the 1938 stock was the first tube stock where underfloor switchgear was achieved, with the obvious advantage of leaving more space for passengers in the bodyshell.
In a way the early twentieth century Tube companies, were starting a tradition, that has persisted to this day. Different rolling stock on different lines, although standardisation is still going on.
Plus complaints about the Tube service, appear to have become a norm and talking point for the newspapers. 😁
Big up for Brush, of Loughborough there,...
Electricity was treated with suspicion lol Fasinating stuff :)
Regarding one's favourite tube stock, I suspect it depends on when one first encountered a tube train. You panned past mine briefly at Acton at 12:09. The triangular roof end grille of the 1938 stock is always notable. They also had comfortable interiors. (Northern Line in the 1960s)
9:00 They're not 1919 trains, but they *are* 1973 trains... 50 years old!
Another better history lesson than school's. 😂
Great Wednesday / Hump Day Jago upload...😊
People pay good money nowadays to ride up and down on those old units. It is noticeable that the basic design concept to the tube train hasn't changed much since the gate stock was withdrawn. The modern S stock retains many of the features that were introduced with the 1908 stock. I once visited the Isle of Wight as boy and rode on these very old trains. The commuters using them to travel to Portsmouth on the ferry complained very bitterly about them and eventually they were replaced with slightly more recent vintage trains which were not much of an improvement. The Island Line has now been upgraded with revised D stock, but the company that did the upgrade has gone bust, so the future is uncertain. Thanks for uploading.
Our Melbourne Red Rattlers must have been based on these trains in part. They were very luxurious Edwardian electric suburban trains. It always amazes me how Melbourne 's inner surburn stations in the east and south east were copies of English stations. No wonder I felt at home while in the UK.
1906 stock at Acton is cool
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You got off lightly this week!! 😆😆
That was cool 😎
I love trains! British railways have such rich and fascinating history.
You rule dude! Keep the good videos rolling!
Hogyon nagyon érdemes, Jago! Lol! 🧐😁
I was wondering where our intrepid railway connoisseur, had disappeared too.
Thank you for your interesting video.
Allgit'..... Allgit''.....
"I say, my man, is this Aldgate or Aldgate East?"
"Nah, mate, it's allgit out"
I love an episode with lots of Yerkes hahahaha
Who needs the videos sponsor to deal with wicked men when a strongly written letter to the Times will suffice
Seeing those TH-cam chapters (or whatever their called) on the bottom of the video saying Charles Yorkies almost made me think that there was a life-sized evil chocolate version of Charles Yerkes, which I now realize is definitely something Tfl should do.
Thank you very much
Jago: charles yerkes
me, to friend while watching this: i know how to dispose of a body