This vinyl trend is driving people nuts
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Hey Frank, I get you about sentimental value records. Most of my Heavy Metal collection was given to me by my uncle that I hung out with a lot when I was a kid. He is the reason I listen to Heavy Metal. The collections itself was a couple hundred records. To me, those records are priceless.
Thanks for sharing that. 🙂❤️
Ya man, records can be such a window into the past, love this.
I'll give you $20,000 for the lot.
If an album doesn't fit into 2 sides but is not long enough to spread over 4 sides, I totally support the decision to make it a 3 sided release with a side 4 etching, imo.
I think with CD's and digital music we have lost the idea that sometimes limitations force better results. Track sequencing for LP's seems like a lost art today
There are lot of albums where just working with the limitations of LP would make infinitely better album than just cutting it to double LP with exactly same songs and order as CD.
I don't care if there's couple of songs missing if the overall result is better album.
💯 agree, perfect example is John Scofield A Go Go, should have been 3 sides, sounds like CRAP forced on only 2. I’m used to the etchings as a Dead Head. I don’t mind the etchings, just maximize the sound.
Fully agree. I hate getting four sides that only have three tracks each. Put it on three sides and don't waste my time.
I have one record with an etching. It is Peter Gabriel's Passion, which is his soundtrack to The Last Temptation of Christ. The interesting thing is the records are 45 RPM 12 inches and supposedly this makes the sound quality better.
I don't mind them if they're interesting.
As a person who does a live radio show/mixcloud upload. I prefer records to have less tracks per side because its a faff to find a track on a packed LP side. Etchings look cool as but I don't put records on display so they are pretty useless to me. I have two maybe. Pic discs and coloured vinyl are also a pain to DJ with, clear vinyl is the worst because you can see the tracks on the reverse side!
Regarding the 3-sided album. The first one I got was back in the 1970's, Johnny Winter Second Winter. The 4th side was blank, I mean nothing, so at least there is an etching these days. Better than nothing, I guess. Thanks for the video, Frank.
Hey at least with a full blank side, you can use it to help set anti-skate.
Thanks for the recommendation about that Bowie let's dance album Frank. The original Canadian pressing is available cheap on discogs
It's generally pretty cheap and sounds amazing. Enjoy!
I don’t listen to metal so I haven’t seen those etchings before (I’m assuming it’s primarily a metal thing). I think they look cool for the 10 seconds you might look at it while putting it away. If they put demos or extra music on those side 4s they’d only have an excuse to jack up the price more. 🙃
The etchings are not super common, but they are across all genres.
Etchings are just nonsense. I'm not looking at them beyond the first time I get it in the mail, anyway. The only time I was happy to get one was trying to cut open a package sturdier than Fort Knox. Dug in too much with the knife and went through the mailer. Luckily, Side D was right underneath and I only scratched the etched side.
Costs these days are ridiculous, especially in Canada. Looking at about 50 bucks per LP for anything newly pressed. Our disgusting shipping rates don't help.
The first album I bought with my own money was Deep Purple, “Who Do We Think We Are”….at J. C. Penney, no less!
The hardcore punk band Drive like Jehu did something cool. Rather than doing a second 12” they did a 33rpm 7 inch for the remaining 3 (I think) tracks. Should see it more.
I’ve never heard the words eight tracks sent so many times until the last two minutes of this video
While I don't care about a side 4 etching, I would rather have that than a shortened version of an album. It kills me that I can't get Sade's "Promise" album with "Punch Drunk" on it (the LP is also missing "You're Not The Man"). While it seems that we are paying for a blank record side, it's possible that it could be more expensive to actually include another 4 or 5 songs- cutting masters, pressing etc. Maybe there's a future with 18" records that will hold more songs! Ooohhh... new turntables, sleeves, storage🙄💸💸
Hello Frank ! I also wish they would spread it out over 4 sides or fill it up with b-sides , live tracks or remixes. An excellent example is the 2019 30 year anniversary issue of The Cult’s ”Sonic temple”. This sollution could also apply to Cd to vinyl from the mid 90’s to late 00’s.
My only pet peeve is that there is not enough Julie London on the channel! I understand she is not Hair Metal, but she's still Hair!
Re prices, you have to factor in inflation. From 1985 to 2023, in Switzerland there has been 56% inflation. Records back then were 18 Swiss francs, now they are around 30 (some more, some less). So right in line with inflation. The outcry about prices is misplaced, IMHO. -- Etchings: why not? Depends on whether the etching is good. Still better than just a blank side.
When it comes to reissues, I don't mind etchings on one side or another. I recently bought a 2LP copy of Butthole Surfers' Electriclarryland - the copy I bought was an original press (1997) and had an etching on the D-side. Given that the album features thirteen cuts and none of them are short, I can't think of any reason to complain. I also remember seeing a vinyl pressing of a William Burroughs spoken word performance, under which Kurt Cobain had laid down some guitar. The whole program filled one side of a 12'' record and the B-side had etchings of Burroughs' and Cobain's autographs. To me, that would be worthwhile. I guess the point is that etchings and things like that need to be taken on a release-by-release basis; some feel worthwhile, but some might not. That's how I see it, anyway.
As far as a record in your collection which might not be the most expensive but it's still a treasure to you, I can relate; for me, it's a copy of The Beatles' "Daytripper" b/w "We Can Work It Out" single that I've had since the Nineties. I was shuffling through things in my parents' house and found the single. I asked my father about it because I know he's not a fan -- and he told me that his best friend had purchased the single when it was new and brought it over to Dad's house to listen to while they were getting ready to go somewhere. When they left, they left the single at Dad's house because there was no reason to bring it with them. Ultimately, it got forgotten about (in no small part because my father was never a fan of The Beatles); it got stored in a box, eventually Dad's best friend died and it lay untouched until I found it. It's still in about as mint a condition as you can imagine (it might have been played twelve times total), and the sleeve is in near-mint condition too. Is it worth anything? Maybe -- but the story is gold, to me.
Records which cost me over one hundred dollars a pop. I'm a little embarrassed to admit that I have bought a couple, but they've always been records which were music which meant a lot to me when I was a kid. I bought an original pressing of Big Lizard In My Backyard by The Dead Milkmen for about $100 because that album was a big deal to me when I was very, very young (under ten years old) and a re-pressed, reissued copy of The Downward Spiral by Nine Inch Nails on the aftermarket because it was in good shape, I couldn't find an original pressing and, again, the music was pretty important to me when I was a teenager. That has often been the deciding factor for me, if I'm considering a record for which over one hundred dollars is being asked; not that I jump on anything that high-priced very often, but I've done it once in a while when I had the money to blow.
About 40 minutes is still the optimum album length.
@0:19 -- Regarding the price of vinyl:
It is bad enough that new records cost $30+. But what adds insult to injury is how nearly all of them have sub par sound quality. That includes pressings labeled "audiophile" or "heavy", or "half speed mastered", etc, which cost even more, and virtually without exception all have sub par sound quality.
I could purchase 25 records, and would probably never listen to 24 of them, again. I would be lucky if 1 of the 25 records had great sound quality.
So that would be a minimum of $750 down the drain -- not to mention the time and effort, and taxes. And to re-sell them is a chore.
So why buy them, knowing it is nearly 100% money down the drain?
The above is for people interested in great sound quality. If you purchase vinyl for other reasons, then my rant does does not apply.
I would gladly pay $100 for each record, if each record had to-die-for sound quality.
Such pressings exist. So it is not that the studios and pressing plants are incapable of delivering to-die-for sound quality. They just do not care -- and they charge $30+ for their "who cares" work ethic.
Folks, imagine if nearly every pressing you purchased had heavenly sound quality. You would be buying records left and right, at nearly any price, if you could budge it.
Instead, only certain stampers have such amazing sound quality, and only a percentage of those stampers qualify. I estimate that perhaps 5% of pressings have great sound quality -- but the number is probably closer to 2% -- and that is for only one of the two sides (rarely will both sides shine, sound quality wise).
But imagine if 98% of records had to-die-for sound quality. Imagine ordering records, and being blown away by nearly every one.
It is such a shame that the record companies get away with their mostly low-end production of pressings.
For video, the public would never accept sub-par picture quality. But for sound, the public eats up any slop that the studios shovel out. My guess is that because so few pressings have amazing sound quality, so the public does not realize how bad their collection sounds.
Play a couple of white hot stamper pressings, and you will realize that you have shelves and shelves of "whatever" sounding pressings.
That expensive turntable, tone-arm, and cartridge will not, and can not, help lousy pressings from sounding lousy. But that great turntable, tone-arm, and cartridge will sound magical, when you place a white hot pressing on it. Even affordable gear will sound 3x the price, with a white hot stamper pressing. Alas, we are stuck with the slop from the record companies -- and rarely rewarded with a pressing that they got right.
Hey I have some Questions too: First of all: Would u buy a Record Twice? For example the Band you Love release their Album again for a Remastered Version maybe First Time on Vinyl and Maybe with Bonus Tracks, is this a Reason to buy a Record again or would you say: No I'm fine with the Original? And another one: Since I'm into Gaming too and that is coming maybe more digital, would you consinder to buy mp3's over a CD/Vinyl or Streaming an Album? I'm not much a Fan about Streaming, only if i wanna test if the Record is something for me and then i would buy it on CD/Vinyl or MP3 :)
I always wonder who the people who can’t find $30 records are. My only assumption is that because I am into newer less popular bands they do not jack up their prices as much. (Also this is cad.)
How much are those original Beatles vinyls worth?
That, I am not sure
Kpop has started to come out on vinyl so I don't think vinyls are going to drop in popularity in the near future. Kpop fans like to collect anything and everything so...yeah.
Paper inner sleeves in a record that costs 40 bucks!! That drives me nuts
Love those old days where you would take your records to parties and put your initials on them, it was an item to be used rather than a collector's object you have to keep in pristine condition. Can't imagine there are many collectors today writing on the front cover with a black marker! About those etchings, they are annoying but I have an album where the band put a remix of one of the tracks as a bonus on side 4 and guess what, I never play it. So it doesn't really matter in the end. Live tracks would be cool though. And unlike CDs, where the bonus tracks ruin the flow of an album sometimes, on a separate side of vinyl I don't have to listen to them if I don't want to.
Bought Zeppelin 1 in 83 for 3 dollars. It belonged to a man named Hutch..who owned a black sharpie..ha ha. Nobody better try to steal my "Hutch" Zepp 1.
There's a tipping point where the price of new records will outgrow fan's ability to buy them. I'm already there and will nowadays opt for the CD at less than half the price of vinyl. I love records (I have 4000) but I buy the music and not the format...especially if I feel I'm being taken advantage of and gouged.
I agree with you.
But there is a downside with this approach. For the same album issued nowadays the CD version has a worse mastering than the vinyl (lowder, more compressed and flater).
So if one chooses the CD for the price there is a big chance he is also choosing a worse sounding version of the album. To me this looks very much like scumming... 😐
Makes me happy that I have specific interests in record collecting. Only really want Black Metal, Doom Metal and some Death Metal. And only the ones I actually like. I do not want a collection of albums I don't even listen to.
But CD's to my mind are kinda worthless. They're pretty much just disc shaped USB sticks, the exact same files you can just download from TH-cam if you want are just digitally stored on the CD, just like a USB stick.
Meanwhile vinyl is completely analogue, the plastic literally IS the music. It's not just a digital storage device like CD's are.
Now yes, CD's still have the additional art work, booklets and you support the artist by buying them... but.. eh.. They're just lame to me. I feel like I'm wasting my money when I buy CD's because I would never choose to use them over MP3/streaming and them just being storage devices for said MP3/streaming files makes them feel redundant to me.
Meanwhile vinyl is far more valuable to my mind.
Colored vinyl is just as stupid as etching. Who cares what the disc looks like? It’s the beanie babies of record collecting. Just learn to press a FLAT record with no defects, then screw around with different colors for the manufactured scarcity bs
People like to shit on Nickelback but there is no denying they put on a great live show. I really dig all their faster and heavier tunes.
I agree with you... I've seen them a couple of times (in that club and in an arena) and both were super entertaining.
They should reduce the thickness of vinyl to 140 grams and charge less. Who needs 180? The sound isn’t any better. This was perpetrated on the vinyl buying public who doesn’t know any better. THICKER RECORDS DO NOT MEAN BETTER SOUND!
70’s Bowie records on Dynaflex sound amazing and yet are flimsy as hell lol cheers from Peterborough ON
Do I like the etchings more than if there were additional music on that side? No. But, I do like the etchings, most are designed well and are cool to look at. I don't mind them per se. Think of this. Instead of just putting one record with two sides, maybe that etching will justify at least a side 3. On some pressings, I would rather have 3 sides than just 2 sides even if that means having a side 4 etching.
I got back into seriously collecting vinyl about ten years ago when I had a long illness. That kind of thing (providing me with way too much time to ruminate and reminisce) helps you sort out your memories and priorities. I'd had so many great experiences living with records that I knew I really wanted to keep them in my life, even if nobody else seemed to have much interest in them. I didn't build my library for them; I did it for me. So I had no idea about the explosion of interest -- and universal hike in prices -- that happened during the pandemic until... this year. I still buy too much (mostly new, under $40 audiophile jazz reissues or quiet Japanese pressings of titles long out of print), and the quality of vinyl pressings (even the top-grade stuff) still leaves a lot to be desired, but I'd be happy with my long-accumulated existing collection even if I never bought another disc.
Being honest .. As long as scenesters keep the high price train rolling, I'm going to continue buying cheap CDs. And I'm buying more CDs because I'm done with bad pressings, bad shipping, and bad grading from ego driven sellers, and local shops.
- The Dukes of Hazard was in Georgia.
This 1000%
Exactly. Nothing like ordering a $30-40 record and then you open it and it's warped. I've gotten caught up in the vinyl craze in the last 5+ years. I'm back to strictly buying CD's.
@@wc1994 - honestly I never stopped, because bands mostly toured with CDs until about 5-6 years ago. And several bands are still doing cassettes.
I would rather buy older used vinyl records, most are cheaper
1. Yes, the price of records is insanely stupid, now!! That's a small part of the reason I stopped buying (for the most part) about 10 years ago. Maybe one Trump takes over next year and prices across the board drop dramatically, records WILL be pretty cheap, by then.
2. I had a record pressed 27 years ago over the Christmas holidays and it only took them 3 weeks. Otherwise, records that are warped as soon as you pull them out of the case. "School's Out" had a slight warp in it when I bought it and, probably because of that, I had a LOT of trouble playing, "My Stars", "Blue Turk" and "Street Fight", they skipped all over the place! Records that have a different track listing or running order in one country compared to that of another country. Companies that double-dip by releasing the same songs on multiple albums, each with a different title and cover and the only difference is one or two songs you can't get anywhere else. Or bands, like King Crimson, that keep re-releasing the same shit over and over again in "best of" compilations and, each time, add two new tracks you can get anywhere else making you pay well over $100 each time the same boxed set comes out. Or, like the "complete" Jimi Hendrix Woodstock performance that came out about 20 years ago: it was out on vinyl, CD and DVD. Only problem was, there were 2 songs on the vinyl version that weren't on the CD version and 2 on the CD that weren't on the DVD and 2 on the DVD that weren't on the vinyl so, to get the entire performance, you were forced to buy all 3!! Luckily, I was on the Woodstock preservation project and already had the entire performance!
3. Utopia did an album about 35 years ago that was a double. I'm sure they could've fit all 15 songs on just two sides but they put on 5 per side and side 4 was the same as side 3. Had I been them, especially seeing as how Todd is well known for putting over an hour's worth of material on a single album, I would've either squeezed all 15 onto a single album or, put 13 on and tossed the extra two onto a single inside the cover or, made it a double 10"! Super Furry Animals has a LOT of non-album material per album and could've EASILY filled side 4 of "Phantom Power" with the non-album tracks they released on the 3 CD singles (2 extra songs per CD)! Okay but, how many CD's do you know of that run more than 40-some minutes? That's a pet peeve of mine! You have up to 80:00 to fill on one of those and all we get is 30 to 45?? But we have to pay a lot more than the vinyl copy because it's on a CD??
4. As I said last night, there's no way I can pick just one! It's kind of a toss-up between, "Hellraiser", "The Re-Animator", "From Beyond", "Children Shouldn't Play With Dead Things", "Cube", "The Thing (Kurt Russell), "Dead & Buried", "Halloween III: Season Of The Witch" and "The Abominable Dr. Phibes".
5. I've been to so damn many, I can't really say. Possibly the Ringo Starr gig where we were so close to the stage we were staring right up his nose and, when he started singing, "Photograph", I turned to my future ex-fiance and sang the first line to her and then kissed her and when I looked back at Ringo, he was smiling and pointing straight at us.
6. I don't think I have any audiophile albums. What's the point, really? The original's good enough. For ones stuff, I won't pay more than $20 for a single album. Pay $40 now or wait 5 or 10 years for someone that blew 40 on it and decided to sell it for 25.
7. At the moment, 4 or 5 very rare break-in records. There's one by Dickie Goodman on Davey Jones Presents, another I've never even seen a picture of that's from the `70's but uses all doo-wop records, a copy of "Back To Earth" on the Universe label or with the hand-written L, same thing with "Public Opinion". I know they both exist but have never had one. I have "Back To Earth" on the second Luniverse label. and, there's a really weird one from Australia called, "Gases For The Masses". all I've ever seen is the original acetate and, the day I recorded it, the acetate was falling of the metal plate!! Last I heard, that sold a couple years later for $3000. As far as I know, there's no vinyl and it only got as far as the acetate.
8. I only ever bought 1 8-track and that was because it was the ONLY copy of the second Todd Rundgren Runt album I'd ever see. I THINK I've actually picked up a vinyl copy since then. Otherwise, I don't think I have more than 8 8-tracks, if that many. I've got well over 1000 cassettes and possibly several hundred open reel tapes, though.
9. Seems to me there IS ONE but, it's been 4 years since I had my collection here at my hand so, I just don't recall, anymore.
10. I don't drink.
I hate etchings. They waste space and dish warp the record. A recent, otherwise great reissue of APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION, had 4 tracks on 3 sides and an etching on Side D instead of 3 tracks on 4 sides at 45rpm, which would have made it one of the [if not the absolute] greatest pressing of that album. I agree, it’s a horrible trend. Sort of acceptable on FEAR INOCULUM because the album was cut to 5 sides and it was already a bear to cut that album efficiently. Fine, etching on Side F is cooler than nothing. But then NIN did it for absolutely no good reason on BROKEN. Could have easily been 4 tracks on 2 sides at 33rpm, obviating the need for a 7” single.
For the most part I stopped buying records due to the extremely high prices. Ugh! It is a good thing I bought almost all of my records back in the day of the 1970s, 1980s.... and bargain basement prices of the 1990s... 2020s been just too expensive. CDs are more affordable for physical media.
The record biz is doing what they do. They priced CD's in long boxes at $20.00. Now vinyl is overpriced. Add to that the pitiful, less than .01 per stream paid to the artist and you've got the downfall of recorded music. You'll never hear bands that COULD be great because either they give up or are buried in the millions of streams.
My 2 cents on the side 4 etchings. They do nothing for me personally. I think if you are going to press an album on vinyl, you either need to figure out how to cut it into 4 sides or just 2. I agree flipping over every 3 songs may get annoying, but older albums from the 60s and 70s were pretty short. 10 songs at about 2.5-3.5 minutes per song, thats only a 30 minute album or 15 minutes per side. We just (generally) have longer songs nowadays. But yeah, lets kill the side 4 etch. I can't display the side 4 anywhere because how else can I play side 3?
Cash grabs are just that overpriced BS. Used records are risky and the market is shrinking. In the 70s records were over pressed and the quality of vinyl suffered. Japanese and European vinyl was superior. Buying a record because of the color of vinyl is more likely a cash grab. If you take care of your vinyl it will stand the test of time. I have 50 year old vinyl that sounds great.
This is the new golden age for collectors .The reissues in Jazz , Blues and Rock has never been better. Audiophile pressing such as Analog Production are outstanding. It's all about the music
Pet peeve of mine: albums released as double records when it can fit on one LP. That is absurd, just for the sake of charging extra
Are record prices high, yes. But consider that in the 80’s records were $8.99 and minimum wage was $3.35/he so one would need to work 3 hours to buy an album. Today many of those same jobs start at $15/hr so someone would need to work 3 hours to buy an album. I’m sure I’ll be shouted down for this over simplification of the situation though.
I like my old records but I'm done buying them new. Heavy, delicate, expensive, etc. I'll stick to CDs. Can still get new ones for $9-15.
I don't buy new records. I buy used records from my local record store most of which are under $10-$15. Also I buy off E-Bay or Craigslist. Now that is mostly for the fact their are few current bands I listen to and feel like I have to have their new releases. I will however buy the new Judas Priest album when it comes out next year. I also own 100's of albums so the need to buy more is not a big factor.
Why is there so many color vinyls on one album. Like Dolly Partons Rock Star! Who needs the same album over n over? Record collecting has become a money grab lately. Also what happen to pic discs?? Thank you..
I totally love just shopping for used stuff. Normally cheaper… and for some reason I like that hunt more than buying new stuff. With the exception of all these Grateful Dead box sets. Man they sound so great and are not that wildly priced imo.
Sick and tired, if the price for vinly is 2 high for you don't buy vinly. Believe me the price will drop
I personally will not pay more than $20 an album and more than $40 on a double album….cant do anything else
Guess I've been sheltered but I've never seen a vinyl etching before and never heard of it until this video. But if I were to get an album and the 4th side was a etching and no music it wouldn't bother me.
Well, if you have a conundrum with filling the 4th side, why not master it to 45 rpm? No problem filling anything then, and the range is completely expanded.
If only the quality reflected the price.
I only buy second hand old music
I remember the album "Paradise Theater " by Styx which was etched and had music simultaneously
Yeah, it's a great album and I seem to recall the 'Superman II' soundtrack having the Superman logo etched into the record with both sides playing properly as usual.
Austrailia's Split Enz had a playable etched album too. True Colors. The album with "I Got You".
Top quality comment about the etchings. What a waste of space those things are...
I remember spending $20 for new CDs back in 1980s.
My biggest pet peeve is almost all new vinyl is warped.
Its ridiculous right , I’m like batting 1 out 10 not warped. I have 50 plus year old records that have been all over the place and still flat as a pancake.
Yep. I would say 80-90 percent of all the new vinyl I bought in the last few months were all warped.
My dad left me an al jolson record but I retitled it justin trudeau's greatest hits 😂
Don't worry vinyl fans...THE 8 TRAC IS COMIN" BACK!...also don't be surprised if you see "reel 2 real"!! Rockin' Boogie! \m/ Addendum: Maybe they could reduce costs by makin' the records square again (ya know the inserts that used ta come in magazines!) They could then lighten the album cover material and lighten the shipping material (making sure the packing still keeps record protected goodly!) Ah La Peanut Butter Sandwiches problem solved!! Them "Spinners" are great bunch! I'm so glad I could offer a solution to an obvious and blatent ripping off of the customer who are the _ONLY_ ones keeping the industry afloat...kinda reminiscent of the way car dealers are ripping off the public...oh well! keep on spickin'! crap. I mean spinnin'! d'oh!
I guess I will need to pick up some match books so I can wedge the 8 track tape cartridge to make it play at the right speed
@@2shoestoo YES! Yes, maches are makin' a comeback too! Good thinkin', 2shoe! (I'm glad he or she is on our side!!
Have a swell day! :)
@@evilchaosboy I wasn’t sure if you were old enough to understand the Match book trick to get your 8 tracks to play at the right speed, you would of have been around in the 60s & 70s
@@2shoestoo Lol! Although I was around for 3/4's of the 70's and did actually own a very _solid_ looking "Holiday" Royal blue
(about medium shade) portable 8-trac player with cut out from a magazine headshots of The Demon and The fox (KISS) _taped_ on the back! (ya need 4 or 6 D-Cells to go cord free!) I just scooted upstairs to look at it! lol! I didn't know the match trick. (I was in such a fun mood that I just "rolled with it"! I do have some memories, though, of it playing too fast? I think. I would like to know the "match trick" if you'd care to share! It always nice coming here cause I get to interact with friendly N cool folks such as yerself! Funny thing is My brother is the Big Vinyl collector. Me? I only seek to finish collecting my 1st pressing/all inserts American KISS Vinyl collection. Thanks for chattin' with me! It was fun :)
@@evilchaosboy Google “8 track tape and match book trick” and you will have a better understanding of what I’m talking about. In the late 60s and 70s you were always making sure you have a match book handy to play mostly your older 8 tracks. Enjoy😀
From 2024 I will be buying (spending more) on CD'S. normally i would spend £200/300 UK pounds per month on vinyl. I will spend no more then £100 per month. Even 2nd hand vinyl is creeping up to cost of new vinyl. From 2025 I'm aiming to cut out total spending on vinyl as i can see vinyl records costing so much it will not be worth collecting vinyl.
I hear ya…. I’ve already made the switch…. 45 CDs for $80ish…. I priced it out and all that in Vinyl would have been about $1200 for quality used/new pressings - will I miss the larger easier to read 12” jackets… sure…. But I can read the CD jacket just as easy - and no I don’t get the ‘listening ritual’ experience - but I’m also $1120 richer…
Over the next year I will have added 500ish CDs spent $900 & saved $12,600…. Let that sink in…..
I honestly think etchings on an unused record side are super cool. Also, artists usually sequence an album with a specific end-song for a reason, and adding bonus tracks (that are usually throwaway material anyway) to artificially create extra "value" kind of cheapens the intention of the album sequencing and usually makes the album end with a thud. (And I personally almost never listen to the bonus stuff more than once anyway, for that exact reason.)
If you're sticking to older technology cd's are the way to go.
There’s nothing wrong with 4th side etchings. We don’t need any more live/demo/rehearsal tapes/Soundcheck music. There’s enough music around....look behind you.
Quiet Riot was the first band I saw live (opening for Black Sabbath 1983) 😂
I think etchings are cool. Better than a blank side and saying just put more music on there is a bit silly to assume that can just happen.
I hear about all these $50-60 records, and I'm definitely not seeing it in the type of music I like to buy - which is mainly Heavy Metal albums. Who's buying $60 Taylor Swift albums is what's confusing to me.
Obsessed teen fans that don't own record players.
Unfortunately I'm seeing it too often... pre-order for the new Priest is $65 CDN here.
@@Channel33RPM the last Maiden record was also absurdly overpriced - but I was more referring to smaller label bands, and even stuff on Metal Blade seems to be decently priced
Oh yeah David Bowie let's dance correct 100% that's how you test your system keep on spinning 😛🤘
Such a great sounding record.
The only album I have with an etching is Boards of Canada's Geogaddi which makes sense because the final track (which is "on" the etched side) is silence.
Here's the thing about records prices. In 1980 I was paying $6 - $9 for a record. That is the equivalent to $22 - $33 in todays money. So records really don't cost more than they did 40 years ago. However, for most people, income hasn't kept up with inflation, so it may not feel that way. You can apply this analogy with anything you buy. Cars, houses, clothing, etc. All that being said, I don't spend more than $35 for a record. It doesn't matter who it is or what's supposed to be special about it. If you establish a limit and stick to it, that's best. Would you pay $200 for a haircut if you can get a perfectly good one for $15? If all records start costing $50 or more, I'll just buy cd's. They are the bargain, since they started out at $20 in the 80's.
1980 the first time I ever went inside a record store at age 7. I thought the Eagles Greatest Hits 1971-1975 LP was so cool with the raised artwork on the sleeve.
When vinyl was on its way out, C.D.’s coming in.
You could buy next to new vinyl for a” song.” That’s what I did !
Garage sales, full collections.
Sometimes 20-30 albums.
But only NEXT TO NEW !
Late 80’s.
I’m quitting the hobby, no sense in wasting my money on it anymore. Moving on to high end streaming, something I thought I would never do.
Hi res streaming can sound great. I love my Bluesound Node.
A KISS album was for me one of my most prized possession. It was my very first album I owned, although it was my father who payed for it, and the album was Destroyer. And although there are long periods where I didn't listen to that album, I've always loved it, and can still listen to it and enjoy it today (although not on vinyl anymore since I sold my collection many years ago).
I have an original pressing of that one too, has a poster in it still. Think I paid $1.
My only pet peeve is the Record stores that over price their records. I have learned to shop around. I paid $50 for a Who album I couldn't find anywhere. A month later I found another one for $9. Exact same condition.
you cant count on finding the second one but valid point as well
The first and only album I ever had that had a side 4 etching was Alice In Chains "SAP/Jar Of Flies" that was release in 1994. I thought it was cool but it was just a couple of short EP's on 2 pieces of vinyl, no sacrifice to sound quality
RE : Side D etchings... ! yeah first time I saw this was the Thurston Moore album on Geffen Psychic Hearts - not a bad album kinda memorable - the art was sad , actually maybe did reflect the music wasn't just a symbol so fit in that package IMO - the first LP was green transluscent vinyl the 2nd album was the etching with Black vinyl - side C was a full side noise jam - . I would never buy an album for a chachkie though - prefer black vinyl as well or quietex.
Keep in mind that what we may think is expensive historically is not. Here in the US I can remember most records on release in 1976 cost about $7. Adjusted for inflation, that comes out to $37.87 in today's dollars. There are plenty of new records and reissues being released for less than $35 and many for less than $30. So, are they really that expensive?
I still have my older brothers 8 track tapes no way of playing them but the memories of just looking at them are priceless.
Thank God I still love CDs
The outrageous prices are the reason why I`ve been buying more CD`s lately.
Haven't bought a new vinyl record in close to a year now , the only records I purchase are at my local thrift store which is a 4 minute walk away . I get lucky from time to time and I like the price at $3.99 . To be honest CD's sound better anyways , if CD's were a few inches larger and came in a nice cardboard sleeve they'd own Vinyl.
I love side 4 etchings---one less flip and one less side to clean!!
Fortunately, you can still find a lot of good old used records on the market, which in most cases sounds better than new remastered records. In the last two years, I mostly bought old and analog mastered records.👍
I have seen rare old pre WW2 antique single sided 78 speed discs with the song on one side and on the other side had a fancy etch pressing of the record label's logo (RCA Victor dog) and fancy art graphics.
The first album I ever bought with my own money was "Elton John's Greatest Hits". Still have it 48 years later.
Yea. Etchings are a waste of space. At least use the available space for EXTRA features. I guess a lucky find was an original (unopened) copy of 1977 SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER. Well, HALLOWEEN 1978 is interesting. Jamie Lee Curtis only got $8,000. ($24,000. adjusted for inflation). Donald Pleasence only got $20,000. ($60,000. AFI). And Michael only got $25. a day. ($75. AFI)
Side 4 etchings are a damn sight better than spreading 3 sides of music over 4.
Nothing wrong with a 3 sided album. That’s way better than major label releases that squash 30+ minutes of music on each side. But releases like “2 single sided LPs” or “box set with one 45 rpm single sided 12”, one 10”, one 7”, and one special 5” record” really are stupid. And yes that is a real thing I came across and all the music would have fit on one LP.
You would think these Record companies would be rushing to build more record making places so they can rip us off even more??? THAT IS WHAT REALLY SHOCKS ME!!! :D + There is a Record coming out this week that is £54.99(Double clear LP) & I want it but do I do what they want & let them rip me off???(Yeah I know they are not forcing me to buy it) I don't know anymore(maybe I'll just buy 1 or 2 Records a year then) :(
I love etchings on a vinyl. Like, if the entire album has already been stamped on the grooves and it takes up 3 sides, then yeah, do something dope on the 4th side. Etchings or bonus tracks makes me happy.
I think it could be cool to have interviews with the musicians if there's not enough material for 4 sides of music!
Nobody ever played an interview disc more than once.
I got back to buying vinyl in 2014 but I’m stopping now because the prices are just stupid. In the UK you’re talking £45 for many releases. It’s a joke. Back to CD’s I go
Side 4 etchings are kind of confusing. What good are they? When is anyone going to sit there and look at that side of the record and appreciate the art? I recently picked up a copy of Jason Mraz "We Sing, We Dance, We Steal Things" and the records SOUND awesome. Dead quiet. But side 4 is etched. Looked at it once. Probably never look at it again. lol
I never experienced an etched vinyl record until I bought Tool's Lateralus which to my surprise had an etched fourth side. It wasn't necessary except for maybe the art's sake. My only fear is that someone may try to play that side and ruin their stylus. Then again I don't let anyone play or use my stereo. Mine, mine, mine! 🙂
Speaking of records too long for a single disk, am I the only one who thinks it's about time they spread Bat Out Of Hell over two disks (three sides would work perfectly fine) so that they can set the damn SPEED BACK TO WHAT IT SHOULD BE! No more chipmunk-vocals (Two Out Of Three Ain't Bad, I'm looking at you!)
Hipsters ruin EVERYTHING.
Music.
Food.
Video Games.
Pokemon Cards.
It's all so fkn tiring.
First album I bought - Elton John - Madman Across the Water
First concert - Elton John at the Cow Palace in Daly City, CA (San Francisco)
Best concert - Thin Lizzy and Queen - March 1977 at Winterland, San Francisco - A Day at the Races tour
Totally skipped lunches in high school here and there and saved my allowance money to buy records. I still have everyone of them and they "still" are in excellent condition. Graduated in 1980. Been awhile eh?
Cumulative average inflation in the US over the last couple years is 15-20% NOT 3-4% that they report monthly. That’s just how much it’s up compared to 12 months ago with food and energy removed (how silly is that?).
In reality vinyl like most everything manufactured & shipped is over 2 years into high and continuing monthly inflation. At first when inflation hits volume of sales kinda keeps up with higher costs, but eventually you must charge more when buying slows. This is not greed!!
This situation is what shutting down (and threatening to end fossil fuels) gas & energy production in the land of plenty almost 3 years ago will do! No surprise really. And it won’t get better until we do a major U-Turn in leadership & policies in both countries.
Canada is even worse inflation-wise. Wonder why the US shut down the Canadian oil pipeline on Jan 20, 2021…. Very idiotic move for US & Canada to be sure. Wonder who benefited? Hmmm
3:15 I'm a Springsteen fan but didn't buy Letter to You on vinyl because of this being i 3 sided dLP. He could have made it a single LP with two less tracks and included those on a bonus 7" single. Same for Neil Young's archive releases Chrome Dreams and Toast. How could Chrome Dreams fit on one LP in 1977 (planned but unreleased) and not today? Well, at least his later archive release Dume was a true double LP and a great one at that.
It's all BS...refuse to pay over 20 for a new vinyl record, as its not the real thing & it's all kinda ghetto & made up anyways....been buying lps since I was a little kid in the 70s & all this vinyl obsessing out of the blue is kind of ruining it for me. Going to wait for the backlash....coming soon To be sure.....
Don't blame it on inflation alone! It's the pure greed for money from some people who seem to speculate with records! The new 6LP box set of the Beatles' red/blue albums costs 180€, which is almost 200 US-$! Discogs prices that set with up to 350!!! But speculation is only one thing! The others are 180g, splatter pressing, half speed mastering...who needs that sh***? I don't feed the a*** of greedy speculators! Sorry man, but vinyl records are dead to me!
Not everybody's thing but being a fan of Death metal...especially underground bands there is so much material for less then $25.20buckspin/Headsplit Records,Goat Throne etc.are only a few of many offering very affordable quality music.
I was going to order an LP/CD/Blu Ray set from UK (not available in Australia), cost was going to be 120 UK Pounds, they then wanted 75 UK pounds postage. Not funny anymore.
Man I *hate* the side 4 etching. Like the first time I saw it (The Aquabats "The Fury of the Aquabats") I thought it was clever, but then when The Pretty Reckless "Death By Rock and Roll" had one, it really started to bug me. Like, I feel like that record could've been on one disk. What am I supposed to do with that etching? Frame it and put it on the wall, then never listen to the last few tracks on the album again? Or Green Day's "Insomniac" 25th anniversary edition. Like, you put live versions of 8 of the 14 songs on side 3, why not just find versions of the other 6, or demos or something. The etching looks cool, but like, how often am I going to be looking at that? If that record is out of it's sleeve, it's probably on the turntable.