Are PCIe SSDs Worth It? 🤔 - HDD VS SATA VS NVMe!
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- Are NVMe PCIE SSDs worth it? We've installed three drives, and have tested Boot times, Load times and Gaming to analyse performance of PCIE SSDs vs SATA SSDs vs hard drives!
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When I built my gaming PC, I went with a NVMe boot drive + a couple games, and stuck with a 7200 HDD for the rest of my files/games. Couldn't be happier, I'll never go back to a spinnie boi for the OS
speedy boi
Unless you need a ton of storage, for video editing, photo editing, or gaming then there is really little need to have hdd's anymore, considering how cheap SSD's have gotten. A 1tb SSD can be found for under 150 bucks now which is large enough to suit the majority of pc consumers needs.
@Keelan keep the spinnie around for mirroring, ssds have a best before date and it is usually around 5 years. You want to make sure you have a recent backup when that happens. This is something most people are oblivious to...
I couldnt only choose one so I took a M.2 NVME, a Samsung SSD and finally a hybrid SSHD drive for the rest stuff :D
@@RhinoXpress depends, i have over 6TB+ worth of games in my steam library alone. i have have a 8x3TB raid10 setup(over 5 years old now) for my library with random 6TB+8TB HDDs for backup. the last 8TB HD i bought was still 75% the price of the cheapest 2TB SSD... with games like gears of war 4 that are 130GB, doesn't take long to fill up a 1TB drive... probably fit 6 GoW4 on a single 1TB, thats around $25USD for storage of one single game... storage costs more than the games on sale, $10CAD... lol
Enough torque. Let‘s talk about performance.
If you're building a PC in 2021 I recommend putting a 1TB NVMe drive in there for your OS and games. Windows 11 will be using DirectStorage which will remove the buffer between the SSD and CPU. This is where having a fast drive like NVMe will help speed up load times and asset loading even more. It's a no brainer really.
From other tests I've seen, the answer to "Is NVME worth it" is :
(i) Yes if you're comparing with any other kind of mechanical HD, massively so.
(ii) Yes if you routinely copy or move very large files around
(iii) No if you're comparing with SATA SSDs.
(iv) No if NVME is more expensive than SATA.
This seems correct
NVME is better than SATA SSDs. He just said that it's not immediately worth upgrading. NVME drives are moderately more expensive than SSDs now.
bleh. they cost like 10% extra over a SATA. way worth it for NVMe. When you error check your 1TB SSD and it takes like 1.5 hours, you'll be smacking yourself for not spending that 10% extra.
dont forget practicality. You cannot quickly get to those drives, so they good for OS, but I keep my video, music docs on a ssd.
@@Hugh_Mungus_Johnson He likely meant with respect to game-load times, which have virtually no difference when comparing SATA SSDs and NVMe SSDs.
This isn't very fair to NVMe, as the drive you chose was only X2 (B and M key). The M key only drives tend to be X4 and can be faster.
Considering that this video is more of an ad for Kingston SSDs, I'm not surprised at the oversight.
He did mention it is a budget NVMe.
MATS0ZETEX a proper nvme SSD should achieve reads of 2K MB/s which is definitely noticeable
@MATS0ZETEX A budget NVMe can be just barely more expensive than a SATA SSD
The point of budget NVMe, and SATA M.2 is not greater transfer speed, it's the smaller form factor. If there is not a lot of space, or you don't want the cables, or don't have the SATA ports available, then M.2 is a great option and very much worth the cost. But if you are only interested in speed, it is an unfair comparison to limit one of the interfaces being tested.
The production quality of your videos are second to none man! Keep em coming
I wanna get an NVMe but it would be usless on ps4 external usage
My first laptop with NVMe SSD was back in 2013. It took a long while for it to get popular, but nowadays it is a must. Good to see how better things got!
The literal only reason why these things are getting more necessary... ironic enough, is because of consoles. We have had ssd forever on pc, but developers never developed with it in mind....... Now that they do for console, its the only reason why its a must on pc to have a fast non sata ssd. Funny how this works.
"HDD vs SATA" u wot m8
hahaha
@ Both can be SATA. It's a type of standard.
In fact, 80 of users don't need it and only see an advantage in boot times. Thirty seconds vs 15 seconds. Big deal.
@@pramitkhanna7163 it was a joke m8
@@idontexist7305 not funny actually, this video is filled with so much misinformation that it could be a parody.
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It appears that NVMe SSD prices have been plummeting of late, and though more costly than their SATA counterparts, have been narrowing the gap considerably, making the decision to take the plunge quite a bit easier. As for those puzzling load times, my guess is that for those games whose load times were similar between all three devices, it's due to them having already been loaded into the hard drive's large cache. Maybe try loading something that's never been loaded before?
I recently upgraded my Phenom Quad Core based system, where the boot drive was an IDE spinning drive. It literally took about 7 minutes from power on to boot into Windows and become usable. I took advantage of Black Friday to get some bargain purchases and upgrade to a Ryzen 5 2600x with a Samsung EVO 960 NVME SSD. From power on I can be in Windows in about 20 seconds, including post and login, and windows is completely usable. From 7 minutes to 20 seconds!! In my case NVME was well worth every penny!!
Just built a new PC on an Asus ROG board with an i7-9700 cpu and a Samsung 970 Evo 1TB NVMe boot drive. 3~4 seconds from end of POST to Windows 10 desktop. Whee!
@@mjordan812 - The difference is literally night and day, right? I could never go back to a spinning platter boot drive even if you paid me!!
@@kevinlynch8614 i have a quad core phenom from 2011 and it takes forever to show w7
@@reneernesto5748 - I feel your pain!! If you get the chance to upgrade your system in the near future you'll be amazed at the difference in performance. The Phenom is an ancient CPU by today's standards, you won't regret the upgrade at all!!
@@kevinlynch8614 i remember back in the days it was as fast as the flash...
I got one last year. The gaming performance is not huge but definitely better than SATA. The other advantage is the small form factor which consumes less space and power from your computer. I would definitely recommend it!
Peripheral Component Interconnect Express, Non Volatile Memory Express. So it's Express Express. Must be fast.
15 or less items, no chit-chat, no checks.
For anybody who doesn't know what a non volatile drive is, it basically means that the storage isnt temporary, like ram/ram drives for example, every time you shut your computer down, the ram and/or ram drive resets all of its data after a restart or shutdown.
Correct me if im wrong
Fun fact: NVMe is the successor to AHCI, not to SATA. NVMe and AHCI are controller interfaces, and SATA/PCIe are bus interfaces, so it's more correct to use the like terms to compare them. So, you're comparing an AHCI SSD to an NVMe SSD, not a "SATA" SSD to an NVMe SSD
But the speed difference comes from the bus interface, not the controller interface. Furthermore, there are PCIe ACHI drives, so so if we were comparing one of those to an NVMe drive then calling it "AHCI vs NVMe" would make more sense.
Yes, technically it's a little silly to state the comparison as "SATA vs NVMe," but by specifying the drive as NVMe, it's implied that it's a PCIe device. All NVMe drives are PCIe, but not all PCIe drives are NVMe.
@@rars0n For sequential, you're absolutely right, regarding speeds. Though, for random, the IOPS are way higher on NVMe. The smaller, random reads are more indicative of real-world use, but again, it's not a real criticism (even if I'm slightly triggered by it), just more information for people who might want to know.
The command queue depth change is a massive help to the IOPs increase too. from 32 to over 9000! (65,536 to be precise)
Yes, I am considering getting an NVME drive for my next PC build out, as it takes less space and the prices for them are slowly becoming economical enough to want to use them. Thanks for the video, as that topic was something I was wondering about, but never got around to checking out.
It's totally justified when you get a entry level nvme m.2 pcie 250gb SSD for 25 bucks in cyber Monday :D
yo wtf, I missed out 😭. which site was that on?
Too low a price. It's probably not an nvme but a sata m.2.
@@ETin6666 shure it is! The original price is like a nvme. I just grabbed so good coupons
Leonardo castañeda which model is it?
my last hdd laptop took over a minute to load into user screen, now my new NVMe laptop took around 8sec.
guess the world is moving so fast that we would never want to revisit the past.
Yep, I went with an NVME PCIe SSD for my recent PC build. Since it was solely for gaming in a mini-ITX case and for playing only a few games, I just wanted the best performance I could get at the time. The much higher $/GB trade-off was fine for me. If the machine was going to my main machine, then I'd probably have gone with SATA for the increased storage, convenience and lower $/GB cost.
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I realize you put this out last November, but I must have missed this review. I built my rig about a year and a half ago. I would consider it to be in the low end of the top tier for performance. I chose to;
- get a decent gaming mobo; Asus z370-e ROG Strix ****CHOSE THIS ONE FOR FUTURE PROOFING [UPPING TO AN M.2 SSD IN NEAR FUTURE]
- a high end cpu [at the time]; Intel i7 8700K 6 core [overclockable]
- a decent graphics card; Asus Strix 2060 6g RTX
- ram; 16g of DDR4 Corsair XMP
I brought over my Samsung SSD 500g 850 evo to use as my C drive, reformatted it and did a fresh install of win10. I also brought over my various HDD's that I use for storage and older backups.
Canada Computer had the new Samsung M.2 NVMe 960 Pro SSD's in stock one day when I was browsing and I immediately got weak-kneed as soon as I laid eyes on em ;) , and I ended up buying a 512g stick.. . . . . . .
WOW, did that thing ever FLLLLLYYY :0 !!!!! Had it for about a month until I came across a vid on YT from a dude called VORTEZ about how he did a raid0 array with a pair of 1tb's. As soon I heard him RRRRAVING about it ???.....well, the only thing I could say to that was "TAKE MY MONEY". And off to Canada Computers I went.
He produced a really helpful video on how to set it up and it worked, but because each bios is setup differently, terms, locations, etc were not the same. But with a little searching around, I found what I was looking for and got it up and running. Once my Win10 was up to date and vid card drivers installed. I had a 14.3 second boot time from POST to win10 desktop !!!! [Even after having some background apps to load] !!!!
All I gotta say is everything loads so fast it almost loads before I even take my finger off the mouse button LULZ.
I'm sure nobody even reads this article now since its 6 months old. But in case anyone does, and is still on the fence as to whether to pull the trigger on one or even go for broke and get 2 for a raid0 array, trust me my dudes, you will NOT regret it !! :)
you manage to look young and old at the same time
but high quality video - subbed
The difference is night and day. My unoptimized ubuntu setup with all of work environment apps, servers etc which takes 7 minutes from bootloader to desktop now it takes 22 seconds, that is more than 2500% improvement.. and apps load instantly, which is something I require as I can be diverted easily.. I feel more productive now..
However, suspend/sleep is broken on ubuntu 18.04 with the nvme drive.. though, it is fixable by substituting the sleep inducing mechanics to hibernate instead, the time it takes to sleep is identical to hibernating to ssd. Also, hibernating also saves battery life and avoid warm bag issue.
Now I regret all my wasted hours in previous months patiently waiting for the bottleneck instead of doing useful work..
COMPLETELY worth it... PARTICULARLY when you upgrade to better nvme SSD's like the Samsung's, WD Black, or Adata SX series in smaller capacities. I would never regret spending the extra $50 or less. 500GB is my size threshold for that (pretty much the same way with sata ssd's.) The diminishing returns happen when you're buying 1TB+ sized ssd's. Sure the cost per GB goes down but if you spend $1000 on a computer, it doesn't make sense to spend $250-$400 on the storage.
Get an nvme 250-500GB boot/main drive and use a large HDD for main storage if you still need more. Often times, keeping your drive clean and free of games/programs/etc that you DONT use (yep, I'm talking about drive maintenance) is the best option, if size is an issue. I highly recommend the 3 mentioned above (Samsung 970 Evo, WD Black, or Adata SX Series) whichever is cheaper or brand you are more loyal to/have had better customer service experiences with.
I dont agree with intentionally going with smaller capacities as performance of m.2 SSDs increases with capacity and price per gb also is lower on larger capacity drives,,, buying smaller simply opens up the need to buy again later on and unless your simply unable to budget a larger capacity at the time of a build,,then you really are just missing out on the point of the m.2 format to begin with,, in the end you are always better off getting the best one can afford,,,dont settle for less is how i think one gets the best pc possible,,,anything else is a waste.
I could see myself using a PCIE SSD 250 as a boot drive but for everything else I would use the SATA SSD 1TB.
It doesn't even boot that much faster, no point
Jack Tran it’s really only useful for creators with 4K+ footage that they need to transfer. I think it also helps with smoother playbacks in editing but don’t quote me
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Last November when I built my first computer I decided to go with the latest hardware. I used a Samsung 960 M.2 SSD with 500GB for my OS. Today I'm upgrading to a Samsung 970 with 1TB of storage. Fortunately, my motherboard is an MSI SLI Pro which holds two M.2 drives with the option to run them in RAID. These are getting surprisingly cheaper than expected.
0:50 I like your ASUS Prime B350 Plus motherboard good choice, Same one I bought for my Ryzen 1700 at launch. So rocking it today, Recently downgrading the bios to 5204 to retain my PCIe 4.0 for my RX 6800 with my 3900x. Works great :)
Good straight forward info without any fluff. I like it!
depends on what you do on your computer. 7200rpm HDD is actually more than enough if you switch off all the startup programs in task mgr and regularly defrag the drive. your pc shoot boot into desktop in less than 30 seconds on windows 10.
You can get used to it, but in general, compared to my a400, it feels sluggish and unresponsive.
I intend to get the 970 evo 1tb with an 860 evo 1tb. Additionally it appears that some games rely on frame time loading, in some games including older ones like Skyrim increasing the frame times in loading screens will make the game load faster. This is however particularly noticable when your game is heavily modded.
I use a 960 evo 250gig for my OS. 15-18 second load time. I have a Micron 2 terabyte ssd for game storage.
Everything is faster now.
I bought an inland 256gb NVMe for os and it's the fastest thing I ever had. SATA III SSD drive 1tb could be used for games
Installed the samsung evo 500gb nvme ssd on my pc and I absolutely love it. Boots up in seconds, loads in seconds, its amazing best upgrade Ive ever done.
Do you only use it for a boot drive?
@@brendanlucero8585 you have to store your games on it too
I recently did an upgrade to my gaming laptop and replaced my 1TB HDD as the boot drive with a Samsung 500GB 970 EVO NVMe and was floored with the difference. From close to 2 minutes from button push to usable state to around 20 seconds. I have now moved the HDD to mass storage for pics, videos, etc. and have the NVMe for boot and games. Also made a big difference in my games loading times as well. Again as stated in the video the difference was more so in some than in others but still a noticeable difference. My upgrade was timed with Black Friday sales here in the states and got my NVMe for what I was told was a really good price. To me it was a well timed and needed upgrade for my laptop. Thinking of getting another NVMe to further supplement storage for gaming.
The reason games don't seem to take much advantage of the clear speed increase of the NVME is because game load times are highly dependent on your CPU. The type of storage used makes little difference once you start using SSDs and above. The batman game was likely able to load quicker due to using more cores of the CPU, thus showing the bottlenecks on the slower drives (hence why the NVME loaded quicker, but it still didn't get near the max throughput of the NVME drive).
Since learning of the PCIe NVME SSD's have been craving for one, but as you say, unless you are doing a new build or actually need more storage will hold off, as my 2.5" SATA SSD's are already owned and I am still in awe of the improved performance over the hot spinning HDD's.... Will make the move when the need arises... Power outages are abundant here and on my fourth motherboard in as many years, so it's just a matter of time... Three systems, one to run, one for backup and one to swap parts to troubleshoot/analyze one that takes a hit...
For a new build I was seriously considering two NVme 480GB drives rather than the SSD/HDD combo I have at present. Your video may have convinced me that would be a good way forward, thank you.
Don’t know if you already bought it or not. But the Samsung 970 evo plus(1TB NVMe) is insanely fast and is about the price of two drives you mentioned. I would strongly suggest going with that.
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That Kingston you're showing is sata protocol, so it will obviously have about the same speeds as the 2.5 ssd. Pcie NVMe only has a single cutout for the bus interface.
Not exactly, B and M type cutouts can be found on NVMe SSDs but only on PCIe x2 speeds. If you have PCIe x4, then it has to be M key
Def gonna get a 500 or 1tb nvme/m.2 drive when I upgrade this year.
I'd be pissed if my new NVME drive only got 500MB/s writes, rofl. If anyone is looking for a far better budget option the HP EX920 1TB is $159 on Newegg currently and gets 3200/1800 read/writes. Previously the budget crown was held by the Mushkin Pilot NVME 1TB but it's been kind of hard to track down for a reasonable price recently (I got mine for $200 ~3 months ago).
Eric Ashby hello was just wondering if you have used windows with the ex920 because I was reading reviews and someone said that it overworked and killed windows 10.
@@jackkeifer1811 I've got one in my HTPC just fine on W10. That reasoning doesn't really make much sense though. "Overworked" what? Do you mean overheated? Just have good airflow, NVME drives run fairly hot but most are spec'd to 75c max.
500MB/s is enough for me. Faster than any HDD
Managed to bag a 1TB 970 evo (NVMe) for £175 on Amazon's Black Friday, so it's worth it for me. The one thing that nobody talks about is how bloody loud mechanical drives are
Wait until it starts to click. Rotation and clicking.
Your videos have now officially become slick af well done brother
How kind of you!
The small form-factor make NVMe drives very appealing but the fact that I was required to sacrifice three sata ports on my MB to install it, made the virtually unnoticeable speed increase hardly worth the expense. Some applications may justify the upgrade but none that I use.
I bought a Asus VivoPC VC66 about a year ago. They obviously scrimped on the HDD which was a standard SATA disk. It had issues when windows update was running where the PC was not usable due to 100% HDD and CPU usage. Once I installed a Samsung 960 and cloned the system over my issues went away and the PC has been working flawlessly. Boot times are short and it turns off in about a second. It was well worth it to upgrade for me.
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If you want the absolute fastest loading times, NVMe is king. Still, many SATA SSDs provide fine performance. My Crucial MX500 2 TB SSD is among the fastest of the SSDs ATM. My laptop can take NVMe, but I wanted to try to keep costs down, while still getting relatively fast performance and ample storage, so I went with the chosen Crucial drive. Also, I wanted to keep it down to one main drive (for now :)).
Very helpful video. Thanks!
For me it is worth it since I use a laptop, had the open slot for NVMe. Fully powered down to login is 12seconds
how did you do that
Love the Transistor wallpaper. It's been a while since I've played it, but I love the soundtrack.
I currently have a 2TB NVMe for my OS and 4TB SATA SSD for games.
The SSD was $150 so I got 2 of them. So far, so good.
Also that particular M.2 drive is a B+M keyed device meaning that it's only 2X max speed (1000 MB/s)
The faster modern ones are the M keyed devices, 4X (2000 MB/s)
new ones are touching 3500mbps, i think that'd be a fairer comparison
yes correct, the 970 Evo Plus has write speeds of almost 3000 and cloning the older drive on it took just under 15 min, no the speed didnt drop put actually increased by the end.
I think you brushed past one of the most important parts of this issue near the beginning. In order for these drive to do their thing, you need PCIe lanes on the mobo bus to make it go. One of the most compelling reasons to buy m.2 drive, IMO, is when making compact ITX rigs. I am not sure what the state of PCIe lanes is on these types of mobos (acknowledging the fact that they will all have slightly different specs), and it would have been nice to get a sort of summary on the current lay of the land in that regard. Specifically: With motherboards that are only made to have one PCIe slot that typically runs on x16, are you dropping that down to x8 when you plug an NVMe drive in? I have seen some older mobo configs that do this. I would hope at this point mobo manufacturers are building in some overhead to accommodate for these drives without cutting GPU lanes.
This is a good video that helped my decision to buy a sata3 ssd. Either ways, if you aren't using a high end system (i7 or ryzen7 and above) or you aren't rendering videos then there's no use buying m2 pcie nvme.
There's a huge difference in DAW applications. Loading of big and heavy samplers, and multitrack recording/playback. Regarding games, I don't know. But in the audio world, writing and reading speeds are fundamental.
The current price of higher capacity SATA SSD is very attractive. Personally I would take 2tb SATA SSD over HDD or NVMe. The performance is excellent and the GB/dollar ratio is good for me.
I prefer to keep my data loses to a minimum so 1TB is about as large a drive as I would own.
Always backup.
@@henryskinner8495 Wow. A firm grasp of the obvious. So now, instead of spending $40 to replace a failed hard drive, you have to spend $100. Does not sound very economical me.
@@tonkatoytruck But ssds last longer than hdds so it'll be longer before you have to replace the drive
Comes down to your data requirements really.
Your comment came across as suggesting you accept data loss and minimise this by limiting the size of your drives.
Thanks.
My desktop guys thought going from 100Mb to 1Gb uplinks would mean system installs would take 1/10th of the time, but they didn't realize a big chunk of the time was spent processing the files. I imagine a lot of games are the same way - hard drive speed only accounts for a fraction of the load time, the rest is the computer processing what it's bringing out of the drive.
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Yes after reading about them, and videos like this I will update in the future to the PCI drive as my new motherboard (when it arrives) supports the format.
Something you forgot to mention, witch might be the middle road between M2 gen3 and Sata ssd is Sata SSD in raid. This is where you get the price of the SSD's, but almost the speed of the m2 gen 3.
Something like 3 500 gb SSD's in raid will give you read 1500 mbs write 1500 mbs.
What camera do you use for filiming? quality is great!
I'm pretty happy with my SATA SSD considering i just upgraded from my slow HDD to a SSD a month ago
Same here recently
I have all three in my computer. I have the NVMe as boot drive, the HDD as the main storage location and the SATA SSD is currently doing nothing (I'm just that good [But seriously I need to find something for it to do]) definitely works well and I have a lot of storage space if I need it.
My Steam library is spread across an SSD and spindle drive. I will be getting a 2tb NVME to take advantage of one of the slots on my motherboard as a one-stop shop for all my Steam games :)
For just a bit over $12 usd more corsair has a good NVMe PCIE Gen3x4 with over twice the sequential performance and 3.5 times the random performance.
For my machines, I go with the PCIE Gen3x4 with a hidden spinning drive for bulk storage. (My next won't even have that, but instead use an NVMe, large 2.5" SATA, with bulk storage specifically on a NAS)
I have owned quite a few SSDs and NVMe SSDs. The one thing you have to watch out for in NVMe drives is some of them get very hot and lose performance under heavy extended writes. They also can take performance hits if the write cache buffer fills up. Some cards have larger buffers than others. I have to say I am not the hugest fan the Samsung EVO plus for every day use. Most users will actually have better performance with the regular EVO. My current favorite cards are the 1TB Western Digital Black SN750 for fastest speed under most every use case scenario, the 2TB Samsung 970 EVO when I need a lot of storage space, and the 1TB Intel 660p when I need a cheap and fast drive. Out of all the NVMe drives I've had and tested these are the best. I do believe NVMe drives are worth the extra investment if you are doing more than just standard email, web browsing. If you game, video or sound edit, do virtualization, are a power user of any type you will definitely see a benefit in these drives.
Bought a Samsung 950pro in 2017 and, after installing it in my mobo never looked back. It uses 4 pci express lanes and it's unbelievably fast.
This is exactly the kind of video I was looking for. Thanks!
I have a bunch of HDDs, a SATA SSD, and PCIe SSD.
I have cloned my Windows 10 OS onto each of them and the full bootup time for the HDD is around the 5 minute mark. The SATA SSD is roughly 30 seconds and the PCIe is closer to 10 seconds.
As for games, some are very noticeable, others aren't. Shadow of the Tomb Raider is significantly quicker on my PCIe. Steam loads more quickly, but older games like Doom 3 make no noticeable difference.
Now I can't go back to using a HDD aside from just a storage device, and I'm eventually going to replace them with SATA SSDs just for the luxury.
Plus not to mention HDDs have moving parts and are prone to data loss from short falls and can fail even when not in use. SSDs on the other hand, are much more durable and decay as they are used. Larger SSDs have a longer life span in general (in terms of full rewrites), so that feels like the best way to go.
I went with the Crucial MX500 (SATA) even though I could have gotten an HP EX920 (NVMe) for $2 more. The numbers look better on paper regarding the EX920's speeds, but I never move big files, ever! So I went with the extremely reliable and performance rated MX500. My PC already boots from a 240GB SSD. Also, this was just an upgrade to a PC built-in 2016. I figured I'd wait for Gen4 and then build a new PC with an NVMe.
I bought a Samsung 960 Evo 256gb as a boot drive 1,5 year ago. Pretty pricey but I loved the load times, when games got huge I need more space and bought a Samsung 960 Evo again 1tb I don't regret it at all. I love if have to move data or search for something it goes super fast. I am never going back to old harddrives except for my nas. Also they are easy to pluck in to the motherboard and hardly takes up any space.
I use NVME drives as scratch drives for my OS. I switch between Windows an Linux a lot and have both drives mounted on a DIMM.2 slot for easy access. Local storage is handled by a 1tb SSD. I have traditional HDDs in my home NAS for backup.
my samsung 850 was almost full and i wanted to get rid of my old HDD, so i went for a 1TB 970 Evo. I can highly recommend it! you will notice the difference in speed, even when you already used an SSD before.
Ive bought a Samsung 970 EVO 500GB NVME SSD, well it took me long to buy it because people always said its not worth it, your just gaming a normal SATA SSD is gonna be enough. BUT WELL i think it really made my whole PC more responsive and if i would had known that the difference is so noticable i would had bought it much earlier.
I've updated my system with the M.2 (NVME) 500GB from Western Digital. The install took a bit more effort than just plugging an SSD drive. Also found that the ease or difficulties of configuring your motherboard for the M.2 drive varies wildly. Still it does provide a better result. I have also tried the Crucial product however the first drive I got was DOA, sent it back and got a replacement. The second one did work but then a week later it corrupted itself (Must a feature for bad techs) So I ended up with the Wester Digital, no problems. and it does speed up everything.
I would say YES! Hell I'm switching to a full blown m.2 solution for my rig so I won't have to worry about any kind of loose cables. Just insert screw it down install Windows boom done dont have to mess with lpm settings as well. :)
I bought one just to check it out. The real value of NVMe resides in the write times. If you do a lot of data transfer work, M.2 NVMe is really worth the price. You can get (Theoretically) 32 GB/s transfer rate.
What speakers are you using? They look very nice. I bet they sound great.
B&W 685 S2 along with an Marantz PM6006 Integrated Amplifier.
Speakers: www.bestbuy.com/site/bowers-wilkins-600-series-685-s2-6-1-2-2-way-loudspeakers-pair-black/4827037.p?skuId=4827037
Amp: www.amazon.com/Marantz-Hi-Fi-Integrated-Amplifier-PM6006/dp/B01FWM4A0G
Honestly can't find the speakers for sale anywhere, sorry.
I have an NVMe SSD Samsung 860 EVO for my photo and video editing. Makes a significant difference.
Got my nvme for 0.4$ more expensive than the sata equivalent. I'd say its worth it
I think for work that requires large file transfers (e.g. video files / editing) then PCIe is worth the price, but otherwise for gaming the difference is minimal. Faster storage won't improve fps so you're better off with just a SATA SSD.
Very well put. It's crazy how many tech-savvy people don't know this; many think that NVMe drives will load games considerably faster, which simply isn't the case.
Well for a boot drive the NVMe is hands down the best. I've tried all 3 Hd, ssd, and NVMe. I just recently got my Acer predator with an NVMe it was a bit pricey and the NVMe is a bit small in space but I upgraded my predator with a 2nd hard Drive and that problem was fixed completely
"Are PCIe SSDs Worth It?"
YES !!!
Why? Laoding Win und Games just have a minimum advantage in comparison of an sata SSD.
Are they worth the cost vs the use? Speed is one thing but not everybody need it or uses it.
After having used spinning drives for a bout a year, ssd for about 5, and now nvme for about 6 months, I can honestly say that for normal gaming use, the upgrade to nvme was unperceivable.
In my case, the highlight about the switch to nvme from sata was in the m.2 form factor than the faster interface itself. It is extremely nice (especially for mini itx builds) to have a tiny drive without any cables or taking up a drive space. Sure the speed is higher, but for normal everyday use and gaming, I see no point in going to nvme if the price is higher.
So unless you are doing heavy content creation or something that requires the nvme speed, I would not bother unless it was selling at a similar price as the sata options.
However, when talking about ssd's in general, they are now as essential as the cpu cooler. No build (or basically any computer being used daily) should be without it. Even old computers with only spinning drives should be upgraded to ssd. The difference in improvement of using an ssd drive is a game changer that changes the experience of using the computer.
I have made the switch from spinning to sdd in three of my computers (one a laptop) and the improvement is too much as to not make the upgrade.
Something else to remember is the drive is not always going to be the decider. My motherboard supports NVMe M.2 drives but the dedicated slot is only PCIe Gen2 x2, meaning I will never see the most of what the Samsung 960 EVO can do.
keep up the good work.your channel is growing fast.do some giveaways to accelerate that
Kingston are dope! I have 4x Kingston 240gb SSDs all for 30-40$ CAD.
I'm looking into building a PC (just an i3-9100, no dedicated card yet because I'll mainly use it for college) with a 500GB Crucial SATA SSD. I'm on a budget of $400-$450 and I'll probably stick with just the SATA SSD.
Nice video. Clean & informative. Relaxing vibes, and English accent.
Which camera are you using for recording this video? Quality is very good.
The part that leaves me wondering is, when I look at other videos where people say having 1 slotted NVMe is fine, but if you slot two or more, and also have SATA SSD's, there can be some major issues or glitches... I just built my system about 3 months ago, and put my primary drive with a 1TB NVME, but would like to go back now and add a second one for my gaming experience.
I'd love to hear some feedback from those who have used two PCIe slots with an additional NVMe drive added later.
depends on the Mobo. :(
Love your videos amazing,keep them coming .
I’m trying to build a new pc with only m.2 for game and app storages what you you recommend and I’m thinking of three for a total of 3tbs and can it be done? What motherboard would you recommend? Thank you in advance.
Check your motherboard specs but most high to mid range motherboards only have two M.2 slots
Okay that’s great, but will this bottle neck or cause problems or is it safe and a great idea lolol
I have myself the Samsung 950 Pro 512GB m.2. NVME drive. Surely there is definitely NO wow factor when going from a normal SSD to an m.2. ssd. The drives does transfer files a lot faster, but these are mainly big files. You probably won't use your boot drive for this, so the question is, how often does this happen? I got a fair amount of games and when putting them on the m.2. SSD it goes full very fast. It went even to a point I only had 30GB left and I did not even installed ALL my games. So I took an Samsung 860 EVO 1TB Sata ssd and dedicated that drive for Steam and Origin games only. Work fast enough for me. Once the game is loaded you won't notice that much of a difference. The advance of an m.2. ssd is snappiness, faster boot times in Windows, al though this is only a few seconds less and last but not least, no cable junk and you keep a sata port free for other drives.
I bought a WD Black 256G for my new build and it is WAY better than I had before.
They are good at different tasks: hdd good for more like archiving, ssd are better for programs, btw because sata ssd are cheaper they are also quite cheaper option for big ssd for video, but of course if you have a money nvme looks nicer. Also yeah try samsung nvme ssd. It loads laptop like 1-2 seconds. And yeah most games don't care if you use nvme or sata ssd
As far as any game is concerned, the only difference you'll see is load times. After that, they all have more than plenty of throughput to get the job done. So, if 2 seconds of your time is worth the extra cost, then so be it.
SSDs are also better than HDDs for archiving -- with cost being the only issue. What people forget is that if you archive large amounts of files, you end up having to search them. If you put 1,000,000 files on a hard drive... at some point someone needs to search for one of those files. That means a search through the FAT system, keywords in tags/CCR information, indexing, etc. which are billions of 4k reads, often done using multiple threads in order to speed up the process. This is precisely what kills HDD -- multiple simultaneous 4k reads and writes. If the archive drive is searched repeatedly, such as a shared network drive... even worse.
Unless your archive is either a smaller number of large files (large videos) or indexed/searched outside the OS -- say a separate database -- SSDs are still better except for outright cost. Even cost often favors SSDs -- if you need to do a hundred keyword searches through 1,000,000 files and each takes minutes on an HDD vs. seconds on an SSD... even at minimum wage, you could afford an SSD just in that task alone.
From what I understand NVME really shines when used as the source drive for video editing so previews and tracking are more seamless. Less hiccups and stuttering. If there are other upsides despite the premium pricing, I'm not aware.
It only shines when you use the NVME with 4xPCIE
That's only m.2, that's not nvme. There's a HUGE difference between them.
Would I buy one? Of course, they are six (6) times faster than SSDs. So, the tiers (for example) of memory (oitside CPU caches) ... NVME M2 (2TB), 4TB SSD, 10TB HDD ... or somethimg similar.
Let's jump in and talk about jumping in!! We knew what you meant.