How people rated Kovalainen higher than Salo is beyond my understanding. Why? Because Kovalainen has one odd win? But Salo also could've won in Germany in 99. Plus he drove for the worse teams during his career in general. When he had a chance with Ferrari he performed well. Kovalainen didn't perform well in McLaren at all.
Maybe recency bias Or generally the fact that a lot of people recognize Salo for spinning trying to catch a Minardi and there isn't especially a positive moment that people recognize him for even though he was superb in 1999 at Ferrari and fantastic in Monaco, people just don't remember that And people recognize Kovalainen because he was more recent and was at McLaren with Lewis Hamilton Doesn't matter for them that he didn't perform
@@de-fault_de-fault They're probably about equal. If Salo was put up against an adult Lewis Hamilton in 1999 instead of Irvine, I don't think he would have fared much better than Kovalinen did against him. Also, Kovalinen was the only driver out of the new teams to even get within touching distance of the establishment.
To OP. Kovalainen beat Fisichella at Renault in his rookie season. Who did Salo ever beat during a season? Say what you will about Kovalainen but he put a McLaren on pole. Salo couldn't put a Ferrari on pole. And there is of course the 2004 Race of Champions...
I personally put Kimi in 1st. His racecraft and ingenuity behind the wheel was better than anyone in thhe modern era imo, even if he wasn't as fast as Hakkinen on a Saturday. And he was also practically invincible from any pressure outside the cockpit, or was the world's best actor. But Hakkinen deserves ttoo be number 1 just as much.
I mean, he lost 17-1 to Alonso, lost every single season heavily to Vettel and was about on par with Massa. He was good, but never a top elite driver. His only title came from a campaign in which the opposition had constant infighting. He didn't even win that many races in 2007.
@@daarom3472 He won the most races out of any driver in 2007, with 6 wins, two more than anyone else. He had reliability issues as well which the McLaren's didn't. But yes, in the second Ferrari days he wasn't the same driver apart from rare occasions.
@@daarom3472 I'd say he definitely was a top elite driver, his prime was sadly when McLaren was super unreliable in 2005. But I'd say race pace wise this was his best year.
@@daarom3472 You obviously didn’t watch Kimi at McLaren or Ferrari the first time then. He came within 2 points of Michael in 2003, driving a car from early 2002… and he easily wins the 2005 title over Alonso had his car not failed countless times leaving him with grid penalties, and failed 3 times while he led the race. Suzuka 2005 is one of the most incredible driving performances in F1 history… He finished the last 9 races straight on the podium in his championship year, and won 6 times total. He took 2 years off, came back and literally bankrupted Lotus because he did so much better than anybody expected. He’s a 3 time WDC if he had any good luck, and you’re trying to tell me he wasn’t an elite driver? Nonsense.
@@daarom3472 he said it was the new wire braking thingy and struggling to get to grips with the car that caused the poor result when he was with Alonso. It was a shame as it made him look a lot worse than he is. Also, he was simply past his prime when he was with Vettel
Also another fun fact regarding Finnish drivers Despite only ever having 9 drivers grace F1 there has been a Finnish driver in f1 every single year since 1989 Crazy stat and they should have the third longest current streak of nationality represented on the grid after the UK and I believe Germany
As much as I love Kimi, it's his nonchalant attitude in later part of career that prevents him from being number 1. Hakkinen was always professional and reliable man on the track. Also, his loyalty to McLaren (especially during their rough times in mid 90s) is commendable. Not to mention the fact that he immediately intimidated Senna when he sat in that McLaren for the first time.
Maybe in the latter part of his career it hindered him, but it certainly helped him win the 2007 championship. Whilst Hamilton and Alosno had an intense rivalry, with Hamilton getting into Alonso's head and Hamilton perhaps succumbing to the pressure late in the season, Raikkonen just focused on his own performances, stayed out of trouble and woon the championship.
yeah I think his longevity exposed his lack of work ethic. The first half of kimi's career he dominated his team mates and was for a few years the fastest driver on the planet over 1 lap. Then in the second half his descent was swift getting trounced by alonso and dominated by vettel. Then he dropped down the field to sauber to top up his retirement account
I think Kovalainen was very promising in his early career, a great qualifier and able to score podiums and won a race in a competitive car. However, Salo was able to drag points finishes out of struggling machinery when he was at Tyrrell and Sauber at a time you had to finish 6th. Just my opinion, and I don’t think there’s much between them.
It feels like people don't fully realise how good Keke was. Easily up there with Gilles for me. A natural, an unstoppable beast, a guy who could make things happen that you didn't think were possible. On sheer talent and skill, I'm not sure there has ever been anyone better. Shame he didn't stick around at Williams for 86 and 87 because he almost certainly would have taken both titles and made #1 on this list.
Completely agree, not an all time great, but far better than people remember. Probably 1982 wasn't even his best season, he performed well with poor cars in the years after, particularly considering he didn't have a turbo engine with Williams until the end of 1984. Very fast...not the smartest
Keke will always be my #1 Finnish driver. I loved his hard charging style and he was always entertaining to watch. Woe be any driver who would dare to do a risky overtaking manoeuvre on him...they usually ended up in the sandtraps. I pitied the suspensions of his cars as he rode over the kerbs as well but you could see a driver really pushing his cars to the limit, or beyond them. Often drove his best on the most horrible circuits which his more feted contemporaries couldn't handle. My favourite drivers were always the daring entertainers who were hard chargers: Peterson, Villeneuve, Rosberg, Mansell, Montoya and Alonso.
@@edostella17 Well he certainly wasn't a stupid fella either: he was millionaire even before he was a champion in Williams, he had apartments in multiple countries and his own jet too. He has always been a good businessman, promoting himself really well to gather all that fortune. And when it comes to his best season, I'd say that he peaked in 1983. Monaco gamble with the tyres was a masterstroke, lunatic flat-out chases up the Eau Rouge in Spa, that 360 spin in opening lap of Long Beach race.
I feel like your effort for creating the most niche specific formula 1 videos that are always incredibly high quality goes underappreciated so I just want to say thank you for making these videos
Masahiro Hasemi was briefly credited with the fastest lap at Fuji in 1976, driving a Kojima on his debut. But that appeared to be a mistake, and it was retracted a few days later...
Didn't think this video would be THIS interesting! I love how detailed every section is and I want to pick your brain on how you record all this text without saying one word wrong or one hesitation. Really impressed 💯
Kovalainen being ranked higher than Salo is borderline insulting. He pretty much finished behind the Ferraris, the Saubers and the driver he Goddang replaced in 08, Fernando Alonso, and he was driving a dang Renault, and the Saubers stopped being competitive by the second half of 08. He alone cost McLaren any chance at the WCC. 09 was even worse. Sure the McLaren was not very good, but c'mon, Lewis got 2 wins and he couldn't even get a Podium???
Can't help suddenly noticing thing, referrring to the double overtake.....did you call Ricardo Zonta Rinaldo Zonta? Overall, damn good video, loving your stuff as usual. Makes me wanna go all out F1 nerd again!
Kimi outscored, outpaced & outqualified Coulthard by a bigger margin than Hakkinen did. Hakkinen only had one true elite team-mate Senna for 3 races compared to 5 years of Alonso & Vettel for Kimi. Kimi also had Montoya & Massa earlier on in his career. I'm just saying, Kimi faced tougher and deeper opposition than Mika did. Plus the ban of beryllium screwed Mercedes over in the v10 era
Just to add, JJ Lehto went on to become the first (and so far only) Finnish driver to win the 24 hours of Le Mans in 1995. He was able to repeat that result in 2005. In terms of ranking F1 drivers I understand this doesn't count, but having gotten into enjoying endurance driving in recent years, his wins at Le Mans hugely increase my respect for him.
I know its not a nation but Scotland has a population of 5mill and Clark, Stewart champions, Coulthard, Innes Ireland as race winners then di Resta , Dumfries, Flockhart as point scorers then there is McNish, Jim Crawford and a few from the 50's as race starters. 66 wins compared to 57 for Finland 5 championships to 4
When I started watching F1, JJ Lehto was considered better driver than Mika Häkkinen. Unfortunately his 1994 test driving crash broke his neck and was forced too early to drive and didn't perform well because of the neck pain. His career was practically over.
MIKA HAKKINEN is the one elite finn, rest of them they are just drivers ordinary, even rosberg and raikkonen have champ title olso but they where not just because they are good ????? last of them is bottas wich drove the Champ car after nico and diid never make any thing
Briatore destroyed JJ Lehtos career. If he would have Lehto more time to rest he could have made proper recovery and might have shown the full potential.
Little harsh to call the Onyx mechanics incompetent. The management of Monteverdi and Foitek's idiot father was atrocious but the team members were doing what they could with what they were given.
Finland has (or atleast had) a Grade One circuit, the Kymiring. Not that it had any effect on the driver rostrum we have as it was completed in the 2000's
I suddenly remember the performance of the Toyota team, and it came to my mind how would you rank their cars in a video. I guess the ranking would be: TF105 TF109 TF108 TF106 TF103 TF107 TF104 TF102 I can't remember how they were ranked in the 2000's car video, but I guess it was something similar. It would be interesting a video of the Toyota team, but with all of their cars ranked in that video maybe it's not necesary
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Keke Rosberg did a great job to prepare his son for becoming a Monaco-based youtuber
And to beat Lewis in equal machinery
How people rated Kovalainen higher than Salo is beyond my understanding. Why? Because Kovalainen has one odd win? But Salo also could've won in Germany in 99. Plus he drove for the worse teams during his career in general. When he had a chance with Ferrari he performed well. Kovalainen didn't perform well in McLaren at all.
Recency bias is also a thing. More people probably remember Kovalainen than Salo.
Maybe recency bias
Or generally the fact that a lot of people recognize Salo for spinning trying to catch a Minardi and there isn't especially a positive moment that people recognize him for even though he was superb in 1999 at Ferrari and fantastic in Monaco, people just don't remember that
And people recognize Kovalainen because he was more recent and was at McLaren with Lewis Hamilton
Doesn't matter for them that he didn't perform
People just went urrr win
@@de-fault_de-fault They're probably about equal. If Salo was put up against an adult Lewis Hamilton in 1999 instead of Irvine, I don't think he would have fared much better than Kovalinen did against him. Also, Kovalinen was the only driver out of the new teams to even get within touching distance of the establishment.
To OP.
Kovalainen beat Fisichella at Renault in his rookie season.
Who did Salo ever beat during a season?
Say what you will about Kovalainen but he put a McLaren on pole. Salo couldn't put a Ferrari on pole. And there is of course the 2004 Race of Champions...
9 drivers- 7 of whom scored a podium, 5 topping the rostrum as winners and 3 ending the season as champions.
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I personally put Kimi in 1st. His racecraft and ingenuity behind the wheel was better than anyone in thhe modern era imo, even if he wasn't as fast as Hakkinen on a Saturday. And he was also practically invincible from any pressure outside the cockpit, or was the world's best actor. But Hakkinen deserves ttoo be number 1 just as much.
I mean, he lost 17-1 to Alonso, lost every single season heavily to Vettel and was about on par with Massa. He was good, but never a top elite driver. His only title came from a campaign in which the opposition had constant infighting. He didn't even win that many races in 2007.
@@daarom3472 He won the most races out of any driver in 2007, with 6 wins, two more than anyone else. He had reliability issues as well which the McLaren's didn't. But yes, in the second Ferrari days he wasn't the same driver apart from rare occasions.
@@daarom3472 I'd say he definitely was a top elite driver, his prime was sadly when McLaren was super unreliable in 2005. But I'd say race pace wise this was his best year.
@@daarom3472 You obviously didn’t watch Kimi at McLaren or Ferrari the first time then. He came within 2 points of Michael in 2003, driving a car from early 2002… and he easily wins the 2005 title over Alonso had his car not failed countless times leaving him with grid penalties, and failed 3 times while he led the race. Suzuka 2005 is one of the most incredible driving performances in F1 history… He finished the last 9 races straight on the podium in his championship year, and won 6 times total. He took 2 years off, came back and literally bankrupted Lotus because he did so much better than anybody expected. He’s a 3 time WDC if he had any good luck, and you’re trying to tell me he wasn’t an elite driver? Nonsense.
@@daarom3472 he said it was the new wire braking thingy and struggling to get to grips with the car that caused the poor result when he was with Alonso. It was a shame as it made him look a lot worse than he is. Also, he was simply past his prime when he was with Vettel
Also another fun fact regarding Finnish drivers
Despite only ever having 9 drivers grace F1 there has been a Finnish driver in f1 every single year since 1989
Crazy stat and they should have the third longest current streak of nationality represented on the grid after the UK and I believe Germany
As much as I love Kimi, it's his nonchalant attitude in later part of career that prevents him from being number 1. Hakkinen was always professional and reliable man on the track. Also, his loyalty to McLaren (especially during their rough times in mid 90s) is commendable.
Not to mention the fact that he immediately intimidated Senna when he sat in that McLaren for the first time.
bwoah its just a hobby c:
@@woodenhoe hahahaha (applause)
Maybe in the latter part of his career it hindered him, but it certainly helped him win the 2007 championship. Whilst Hamilton and Alosno had an intense rivalry, with Hamilton getting into Alonso's head and Hamilton perhaps succumbing to the pressure late in the season, Raikkonen just focused on his own performances, stayed out of trouble and woon the championship.
Barely
yeah I think his longevity exposed his lack of work ethic. The first half of kimi's career he dominated his team mates and was for a few years the fastest driver on the planet over 1 lap. Then in the second half his descent was swift getting trounced by alonso and dominated by vettel. Then he dropped down the field to sauber to top up his retirement account
Here are my guesses for how they rank up.
1: Hakkinen
2: Raikkonen
3: Rosberg
4: Bottas
5: Salo
6: Kovalainen
7: Lehto
8: ?
I think kovalainen will be one position higher
Yes this looks better with Salo ahead of Kovalainen
I think Kovalainen was very promising in his early career, a great qualifier and able to score podiums and won a race in a competitive car.
However, Salo was able to drag points finishes out of struggling machinery when he was at Tyrrell and Sauber at a time you had to finish 6th.
Just my opinion, and I don’t think there’s much between them.
It feels like people don't fully realise how good Keke was. Easily up there with Gilles for me. A natural, an unstoppable beast, a guy who could make things happen that you didn't think were possible. On sheer talent and skill, I'm not sure there has ever been anyone better. Shame he didn't stick around at Williams for 86 and 87 because he almost certainly would have taken both titles and made #1 on this list.
Completely agree, not an all time great, but far better than people remember. Probably 1982 wasn't even his best season, he performed well with poor cars in the years after, particularly considering he didn't have a turbo engine with Williams until the end of 1984. Very fast...not the smartest
Keke will always be my #1 Finnish driver. I loved his hard charging style and he was always entertaining to watch. Woe be any driver who would dare to do a risky overtaking manoeuvre on him...they usually ended up in the sandtraps. I pitied the suspensions of his cars as he rode over the kerbs as well but you could see a driver really pushing his cars to the limit, or beyond them. Often drove his best on the most horrible circuits which his more feted contemporaries couldn't handle. My favourite drivers were always the daring entertainers who were hard chargers: Peterson, Villeneuve, Rosberg, Mansell, Montoya and Alonso.
@@edostella17 Well he certainly wasn't a stupid fella either: he was millionaire even before he was a champion in Williams, he had apartments in multiple countries and his own jet too. He has always been a good businessman, promoting himself really well to gather all that fortune.
And when it comes to his best season, I'd say that he peaked in 1983. Monaco gamble with the tyres was a masterstroke, lunatic flat-out chases up the Eau Rouge in Spa, that 360 spin in opening lap of Long Beach race.
I feel like your effort for creating the most niche specific formula 1 videos that are always incredibly high quality goes underappreciated so I just want to say thank you for making these videos
Keke has always been my fav,made a silk purse out of a sow's ear and won a championship with one win enjoying a cig as he did :P
Pack of cigs and cider aside. LMAO
man if mclaren i had more realible cars in the late 90s, early 2000s mika and kimi would have had way more wins !!!
17:19 Peter never disappoints us with his Nico Rosberg joke, Lmao
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Wasn't it Kinunen who set the fastest lap at Fuji in 1977 driving a Kojima?
Masahiro Hasemi was briefly credited with the fastest lap at Fuji in 1976, driving a Kojima on his debut. But that appeared to be a mistake, and it was retracted a few days later...
@@deepinthewoods8078 ah thanks I got my facts mixed a little 🙏
Heikki is an amazingly nice person. I have the pleasure to watch him race and talk to him when he drives in the Japanese rally championship.
"Niceman" 😂
Pls, do Rank of Latin drivers (Senna, Fangio, Rodríguez, Fittipaldi, Piquet, Reutmann, Barrichello, Montoya, Massa, Maldonado, Perez...)
Salo was my neighbour growing up cool dude
You said there are no FIA grade circuits.Well Bottas is in talks to get the KymiRing project alive i just was reading about that on facebook
Didn't think this video would be THIS interesting! I love how detailed every section is and I want to pick your brain on how you record all this text without saying one word wrong or one hesitation.
Really impressed 💯
It's done in several takes with lots of cuts! About 10 mins got shaved off the original recording
Kovalainen being ranked higher than Salo is borderline insulting. He pretty much finished behind the Ferraris, the Saubers and the driver he Goddang replaced in 08, Fernando Alonso, and he was driving a dang Renault, and the Saubers stopped being competitive by the second half of 08. He alone cost McLaren any chance at the WCC.
09 was even worse. Sure the McLaren was not very good, but c'mon, Lewis got 2 wins and he couldn't even get a Podium???
Can't help suddenly noticing thing, referrring to the double overtake.....did you call Ricardo Zonta Rinaldo Zonta? Overall, damn good video, loving your stuff as usual. Makes me wanna go all out F1 nerd again!
Kimi outscored, outpaced & outqualified Coulthard by a bigger margin than Hakkinen did.
Hakkinen only had one true elite team-mate Senna for 3 races compared to 5 years of Alonso & Vettel for Kimi. Kimi also had Montoya & Massa earlier on in his career.
I'm just saying, Kimi faced tougher and deeper opposition than Mika did. Plus the ban of beryllium screwed Mercedes over in the v10 era
Solid, still think 1 and 2 are correct on here but I'd swap 3 and 4 tbh. 1982 seems like a title Bottas could have won.
Just to add, JJ Lehto went on to become the first (and so far only) Finnish driver to win the 24 hours of Le Mans in 1995. He was able to repeat that result in 2005. In terms of ranking F1 drivers I understand this doesn't count, but having gotten into enjoying endurance driving in recent years, his wins at Le Mans hugely increase my respect for him.
The video Finnished too soon 😢
I know its not a nation but Scotland has a population of 5mill and Clark, Stewart champions, Coulthard, Innes Ireland as race winners then di Resta , Dumfries, Flockhart as point scorers then there is McNish, Jim Crawford and a few from the 50's as race starters. 66 wins compared to 57 for Finland 5 championships to 4
Unfortunately, like Finland, the Scots live with some very annoying neighbours...
Poor Salo..he is so underrated, its criminal not seing him in the top 5
1:12 Rip KymiRing
Suomi mainittu. Torilla tavataan. 🤣
17:22 - oh, that cheeky slide-in... XD
When I started watching F1, JJ Lehto was considered better driver than Mika Häkkinen. Unfortunately his 1994 test driving crash broke his neck and was forced too early to drive and didn't perform well because of the neck pain. His career was practically over.
I love how he kept saying YOU voted like “don’t get mad this was you not me. Don’t shoot the messenger.”
MIKA HAKKINEN is the one elite finn, rest of them they are just drivers ordinary, even rosberg and raikkonen have champ title olso but they where not just because they are good ????? last of them is bottas wich drove the Champ car after nico and diid never make any thing
Briatore destroyed JJ Lehtos career. If he would have Lehto more time to rest he could have made proper recovery and might have shown the full potential.
Little harsh to call the Onyx mechanics incompetent. The management of Monteverdi and Foitek's idiot father was atrocious but the team members were doing what they could with what they were given.
Growing up it was always keke for me the only driver you didn't worry about a trail of smoke following the car 😂
JJ drive once michaels benetton and it was obvios it was much faster car what have give JJ.
This would be amazing with Brazilian drivers!
Make a video about the mexican ans one about the danish drivers and the Venezuelian and the russian
There’s no way that Kimi shouldn’t be first tbh
It's supposed to be 10, had Nico not chosen Germany as his nationality. 🗿
If you're looking for a subject for a video, look into Taru Rinne, if there's something interesting in her racing career.
Finland has (or atleast had) a Grade One circuit, the Kymiring. Not that it had any effect on the driver rostrum we have as it was completed in the 2000's
Peter, what do you think a idea with F1 championships with motogp or indycar points?
I suddenly remember the performance of the Toyota team, and it came to my mind how would you rank their cars in a video. I guess the ranking would be:
TF105
TF109
TF108
TF106
TF103
TF107
TF104
TF102
I can't remember how they were ranked in the 2000's car video, but I guess it was something similar.
It would be interesting a video of the Toyota team, but with all of their cars ranked in that video maybe it's not necesary
2010, presumably could be top3 . Again could....
JJ Lehto also raced in CART in 1998.
Kimi>Mika
Eeppinen suomi momentti
It suck that they couldn't include Nico Rosberg cuz, for some reason, he drove for Germany even though he was born in Finland.
He has dual citizenship of Finland and Germany but was born in Germany and doesn't speak Finnish :)
Häkkinen by far to others.
There is a Grade 1 circuit the kymi ring.
I'd put salo up there, wonder what happened to him, and as an Irish man, with the same population, I don't have a top five 😅
umm Derek Daly , Tommy Byrne, David Kennedy, Ralph Firman and Joe Kelly If you open a can of worms Watson and Irvine
You should do NZ next as its bascially finland with a few less championships.
Also McLaren being from NZ.
13:34 ...damn
Would put Salo over Kovalainen and Bottas over Rosberg myself.
Agree with Salo, but Bottas is nowhere the quality of Keke.
We're so blessed to have your content dude, thank you 😊
Ignore the profile pic but I’d genuinely but Valtteri third. If you put him in kekes position in 82 he’s winning that title
I think bottas should be 3rd kimi is second mika is first
KeKe Rosberg
Mika Hakkinen
Mika Salo
Valterie Bottas
Heikie Kovalainen
JJ Letho
Nico Rosberg