"Yknow I should really check how the Deltarune fandom is doing, it's been a few months" The hour long theory video posted a few hours ago today loading a double barreled shotgun:
lmao i just looked up device theory because i watched the first two episodes and i was all "oh yeah no device theory isnt too bad" and its six hours god i love this fandom
Idk about that. The Knight seems to have done some questionable stuff like trapping the kings and putting the one who very obviously hates Lightners in charge and also possibly telling the King about the heroes just so he could set up an ambush for us when we entered Ralsei's Dark World for the first time.
Completely agree about Mike and Tenna being the main bosses of ch3: I've seen so many people saying that Mike is the chapter's secret boss, but it doesn't make sense to me as Toby Fox would want to keep the secret bosses a, you know, secret; Having them be spoiled in the previous dark world would be boring. Meanwhile Knight Knight being the roaring knight is such an out-there theory that I feel like it will end as either "Woody theory-level of speculation that ends up being more of a shitpost than anything" or "4D chess move that is completely accurate about the roaring knight's identity and role which puts veteran deltarune theorists to shame" with no in-between.
Also, thinking about it, there other reasons on why it could make sense: -Toby Fox already made a big and scary important knight in Undertale who is female with Undyne, which means he likes the archetype and it would make sense Deltarune would have a similar character; -Deltarune so far, despite having many important Undertale characters, has put it's focus on either new characters or Undertale characters that didn't get a big spotlight (Burgerpants, Gerson, Everyman,...): Knight Knight is literally a regular enemy so this statement would totally apply to her; -While making one of the main antagonists of the game you want to be your masterpiece a regular enemy in your other title doesn't make sense at first glance, it would be the best way to hide them in plain sight as no one would speculate on them.
Here’s a connection between Kris and a pawn: the only way for a pawn to change columns is to capture, and that only way for Kris to make a meaningful change is to kill Berdley!
Here’s another thing: I found some connections that I should share before ch3 and 4. It is a supplement to Chess Theory that involves the book Trough the Looking Glass. The book can be represented by a chess game, and there are some patterns I found relating to the prophecy. I recommend looking at a summary and you will see what I mean.
And at the end, Kris is always going to reach the end of the board anyway, lining up with "your choices don't matter". Also a pawn has to move exactly 7 times to reach the end of a chess board (if it doesn't move two spaces as its first move).
It's funny because i'm spanish speaker and the name of the rook piece in spanish is "torre" (the literal translation is "tower"), so until recently i thought that was the name of the piece in english too, so i was thinking... "oh, so the boss is a TV? Mike and/or Tenna? And the next chess piece is a tower? Then probably the next location must be a communication tower" (like this next "castle" is going to be one of those TV towers), and it made a lot of sense to me, especially since the fact that Toriel is in this chapter and maybe she's kidnapped like a princess and you have to rescue her from the tower where there should be a dragon too (from the book how to draw dragons and Susie will transform into Susiezilla to fight them), and probably you have to go up floor levels (because the Dreemurr's house has 2 floors and maybe there's something related to that), where each one is inspired by some television channel or programs (the weather, cooking show, etc), and that's why the 3rd chapter is supposed to be so long, because there are so many different areas with different settings, characters and dynamics, and at the end they will probably wake up inside Toriel's room (the last one) that was always locked and we will finally be able to see what she's hidding. But... it turns out that "rook" is the actual name in english lmaoo but the piece still looks like a tower tho, and unironically what Toriel and Kris lack is communication between them as she assumes what happens to them and simply lets them be instead of having a conversation about their feelings, and since Toriel is the one who has to be saved by Kris and not the other way around maybe this makes her finally trust them and stop being so overprotective
Reminder that the church in Deltarune has already been suggested to operate differently to any real world religions, so its not a stretch to say that their big mass of the week is on a Saturday instead of a Sunday
@@callumsmodellingcentre6902 i believe 7th day adventists is a denomination of Christianity that meets on Saturday. The reason I think Deltarune church has their big mass on Sunday is because QC says we used to come to the diner with Asriel after Church *specifically on Sunday* which I interpret as implying that something about Sunday Service is different or special
Pretty sure he got it from the popular "seven knights" theory you can find on youtube, which lists Alvin as chapter 1's "Strange Knight", Ms. Boom (or Susie's mom) as chapter 2's "Roaring Knight", Kris as chapter 3's "Silent Knight", Susie as chapter 4's "Dark Knight", then the other three i cant remember the order of, but it was "Horned Knight" Asgore, "Pizza Knight" Burgerpants, and "O' Holy Knight" Noelle (possibly in that order actually, idk).
I really like the landline secret boss theory. Even if its not true, its cool that like every other secret boss, the landline would keep up the theme of being the outcast in the group. Jevil- joker card (vs King Spade) Spamton- spam email (vs Queen laptop) And the landline vs the TV and/or microwave
another interesting thing about the connection between the seven deadly sins and the secret bosses is how they were all likely contacted by gaster, the same dude with devil motifs (the 6's, the mentions or comparisons to hell in relation to the depths, his fall being similar to a fallen angel) its like they were tarnished by sin, the religious immagery in deltarune just keeps going
I like all these theories that attempt to connect all of deltarune’s scattered plotpoints. Like connecting the mayor, alvin and gaster here. My biggest gripe is no ice-e’s because im an ice-e’s truther.
That makes quite a bit of sense, especially when you consider what pawns can do Jevil: a pawn that usually gets discarded or captured early, would be used to disrupt enemy position (cause chaos in enemy ranks) Spamton: a pawn who was able to make it (or nearly make it) to the other side of the board and be promoted, but was captured by the rook/queen
personally I think Mike is likely to be a radio-type guy, but a microwave is a super fun idea I haven't heard before! both sound like they'd be awesome, great vid
The thing is, we dont see any radio adjacent things besides the tv, landline, and microwave in the house (all three use electromagnetic frequencies, just like radio does). While i dont fully agree with this channels guess on it being the landline, since we know Toriel uses it, its more probable than them owning a radio at all despite not even using their "old tv". Toriel may be old, but she isnt ancient enough to have a radio laying around, and if she did, we would see it somewhere. Plus the pun in the name doesnt really work with radio. "Mike" is practically begging for a pun with "Microphone" or "microwave" or something of that variety. Though to be fair we havent seen a microphone anywhere, besides technically the landline, and a microwave doesnt have much reason to be forgotten/discarded/replaced at that point in history. In conclusion: no conclusive answer possible due to lack of sufficient evidence for current assumed possibilities
16:21 actually, we'll probably wake up on the docks. the latest newsletter has the susie sleeping sprite combined with a cartoon spotlight on her face in the docks area we saw a while back. if i had to guess, the green room is the room before the boss room. after all, a green room is where performers relax before a performance. that's why one of the doors leads to a room showing one of the shadow grunts putting on a sock behind a curtain, they're getting ready for the big show.
42:00 I mentioned knight knight as a shitpost on Jaru’s knight video like 2 years ago. I cannot fathom it actually being someone’s real choice. I mean it’s funny. It would be like Toby to make a shitpost relevant. But we don’t even know if they exist or what they look like if they don’t have armor, assuming it isn’t all their flesh.
Yeah, Knight knight would be thematically appropriate but since she havent shown up in hometown yet, we do have to consider that she might just not be in the game.
My original theory was he would be a phone named Mike Phoan (or some other variation) but he would look like a microphone because Mike Phone = Michael Phoan = Microphone.
Couple explanations for some of the chess points confusion, in case anyone is at all interested: Points do not materially affect the game. You can be many, many points up and still lose. What they are useful for, however, is to determine who is winning in any given position. If white has an extra knight, they are three points up and are therefore winning the game, and should adjust their strategy accordingly. Most good chess players really pay no attention whatsoever to points because it’s more of a tool to use when learning the game, and not something you need to care at all about when you actually know what you’re doing. For example, good players will often sacrifice points in order to gain a better position, which is a far harder thing to measure numerically, but can often make more of a difference in a real game. With regards to bishops and knights, they’re given the same point count because it entirely depends on the position of the other pieces (especially the pawns) as to which is more valuable. If you want to overcomplicate things, all pieces have a sort of range of how useful they can be situationally, so there are some positions where a knight is effectively worth 4 points while a bishop is only 2. Nobody actually does this though, it’s enough just to say that whether a knight or bishop is better is entirely situational. And if you do some crunching, the consensus tends to be that the bishop is the more valuable piece slightly more often, but not nearly enough for the distinction to ever matter except at high levels.
6:39 into the vid so dunno if itll get mentioned later but seems unlikely, but a good point in chess theory is that the "boss pieces" like king, queen, rook, bishop cant move until the pawns move first, with the exception of the knight who can be the first move and jump over pawns and other pieces
46:57 adding fuel to that, since the CORE enemies are all powered up versions of ruins enemies, what if Knight Knight is being controlled by a ghost?? The only 2 enemies that are unchanged in hard mode are Napstablook and the Dummy, both ghosts... and we also see suits of armor get possesed all the time in media!!! The Dummy is the knight, confirmed right here and now!! No idea for Magick tho, there's Toriel and Flowey but I don't think they count...
I don’t believe papyrus is the knight because let’s be real, the whole thing with papyrus is that Toby knows we want to see him and he’s just fucking with us.
I think Spamton is obviously Envy. His whole character arc is about being stripped of a position of power and being resentful of the success of others. He hates the other salesmen because they're successful when he's a failure living in a dump. He constantly follows the player around and idolizes our ability to make choices, something he can't do, which eventually culminates in him trying to forcibly taking kris's soul. He's the textbook example of Envy.
I can actually add more evidence onto the Knight Knight idea. Knight Knight has 3 attacks. One of them uses the sun and another uses the moon. The Legend shows a sun and a moon when describing Lightners and Darkners. Finally, her 3rd attack is literally her stabbing her Good Morning Star into the top or bottom of the battle box, much like how a dark fountain is created.
Hey thanks for the shoutout, great video!! :) EDIT: Also, despite everything I am still a Ms. Boom librarian truther!! Otherwise, why would no one be actually running the library in chapter 2? Ms. Boom fled the scene and Berdly is out looking for her!
Thanks for your great ideas! Also Susie does note how strangely empty the library is before we discover the dark world 🧐 maybe Toby will release an update where he adds Ms. Boom to the library in chapter 2 and call it the “we bring the boom” patch
45:54 morningstar is also also a modified mace (the weapon knight knight holds in her sprite) that is sort of like a ball and chain where the ball is a macehead. Why its called a morning star when it appears to just be a really long mace idk Edit:as it turns out I am stupid and morning stars are not ball and chains with maceheads, those are just flails, and a morning star is literally just a long made, so I'm an idiot
I would just like to point out that while yes the morning star is a word for Lucifer. I think it much more likely Toby is actually referencing the morning star weapon which is generally a spiky ball on a stick or a spiky ball on a chain. Knight Knights weapon fits this description.
The flowers being the chapter 3 secret boss could make sense since we know dark worlds take into account the ideas of the individual lightners and not society at large. For instance there are scary power sockets in chapter 3. But thats not a societal idea, thats noelle’s idea. Another instance would be the jacks in chapter 1 which, since susie and kris probably dont know how to play jacks (theyre young), the jacks are basically their light world versions with googly eyes. I forget what the theory im getting that from is called. So essentially the flowers could be discarded-associated since toriel and kris would associate those flowers with being discarded often. As asgore sends flowers often.
40:23 on the vessel, its prolly impossible 4 the vessel 2 actually be the knight candidate. The chapter 1 dark fountain has essentially already been created while we’re creating the vessel. So the only way the vessel could actually create the fountain is breaking out of wherever it is in SECONDS, and then run straight to the closet to create the card kingdom. This is genuinely impossible oof
@@Nik0252 Unless there was a time delay between creating it and waking up (like if it happened at midnight). There is even a theory that after creating the vessel you were disconnected from deltarune for months or even years before you were put into Kris. Also, maybe we were right below the card kingdom so the vessel just stabbed the floor from the other side or something. (I'm vessel knight believer)
i think a more fitting duo for the light side rooks would be Catti and Jockington, although they havent had much relevance yet, she and kris did both study occult stuff, and considering how caring she is of noelle, she might be up for a plan kris brings up, and jockington is... well theyve been a classic duo since their first gym class, and he Is called *Jock*ington
54:32 This is exactly the Dark RPG from the last arc of Yu-Gi-Oh. Spamton already has a Yu-Gi-Oh reference with 8000 points, so it is on the table for references.
I adore the idea that Deltarune is ultimately a chess match against the smartest mind of the Underground, i feel it oddly in-character? and in a way, Gaster gets to study us, learn from us, and we get entretainment and answers, its a win-win, we just have to keep playing
I think one of the quirks from the bishops in chapter 4 is that we'll never see them together since bishops can't switch between being on a white square and a black square
I just realized those Undertale training dummies like the Dummy in the Ruins, Mad Dummy, and the others seen afterword kind of look like Knight Chess Pieces. Also, the Dummy Ralsei made in Deltarune kind of looks like a Darker Knight Chess Piece.
You should also note that when the Deltarune/Undertale merch came out, there was a shirt named important person shirt. It's Kris's shirt, or what many people think. Your theory almost lines up if we say that the shirt is Asriel's. This could show that Asriel WILL be important later on, almost supporting the idea that Asriel will appear later on and become significant to the story.
17:43 "He's coming for me _answer the phone_ I can't explain until you're all alone. It pulls the strings and makes them ring until your heart gets ripped up!"
a connection I tried making with kris was them being a pawn in the way that they only move forward one step at a time (in the sense that kris's progression making their way through the dark worlds progresses the story, i.e. the prophecy, forward) and that they move diagonally when they make an attack (like the ending scene of ch1 where they advance and cage the soul in a slow diagonal pattern) with the way you pose the idea of pawn progression, kris maybe gets promoted to a "knight" in ch2. from the outside, the path from the bathroom window they escape from to the driveway where the car would be is the L-shape that a knight moves in (the odd pattern the knight piece possesses compared to the more straight forward movement sets the other pieces have is regularly known to be used tactically to catch opponents off guard when they strike, as in the midst of a game, the other player would be more likely to be distracted with planning and taking into account the more easier to read pieces to always see when a knight could flank them) the same could also somewhat be argued for their movement pattern during the ending cutscene where they make the dark fountain which the literal in-game knight is known to do
17:30 YES!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally someone mentioned this point, I have been thinking this for years. The secret bosses weren't just discarded objects, but objects that would be discarded in 99% of contexts. If being a secret boss just meant being discarded than literally every enemy in Chapter 1 would have been a secret boss.
nah, the Landline isn't "discarded" and even if it WAS, why wouldn't it be more related to the main object like Spamton and *especially* Jevil. Spamton was a spam email, something you get on the internet and your personal computers which is normally thrown in the trash, and Jevil was the joker card, a card rarely used in a set and is normally discarded due to said lack of utility. the most likely item to become the "secret boss" is literally shown to you by Susie, the *Television Remote,* a thing widely known to get lost *especially in the couch cushions* irl
Well there is a HUGE difference between lost and discarded a tv remote is extremely necessary for a tv to function so it will most likely be an npc or maybe even a mini boss but I can see a radio being a better secret boss is a radio for obvious reasons
Every chapter the bosses get downgraded a piece, like a king being the worthiest one, then its the queen, and prelast being the knight and then the pawn
3:14 the purpose of the points are just to make evaluations of the board easier, add up the points of both side’s remaining pieces and you have a rough idea of which is doing better. obviously it has inaccuracies, but atleast it requires no additional thoughts to perform it.
I like the "player is the angel" in universe theory. And so with the chessboard the Player can be the Angel of Salvation and Gaster can be the Angel of Death. (Or reversed in the weird route / if we end up being Kris's enemy)
Really iconic that chapter 3 and 4 will come out together, since most rooks and bishops are alike and often paired together for a makeshift queen But I feel like, one of the chapters won’t actually be in a dark world, or at least won’t be in a dark world until the end (prob chapter 4 or 5) which I guess makes sense, because a “spot” in chess can only have 7 possible variations: It either has a king, has a queen, has a rook, has a bishop, has a knight, has a pawn or has nothing. But it would ruin the order, unless Toby considers a empty spot to be better than a spot with a bishop and/or a knight (better than a spot with a pawn is believable, as the other pieces can’t move if there’s pawns everywhere) Am I cooking or am I going crazy like the rest of the fandom? Idk, maybe it’s just because I really would love if the knight is in chapter 6 and in chapter 7 we are the pawns Edit: Oh my f-‘ing god (I made this whole comment literally JUST BEFORE he talked about how chapter 3 prob won’t have a chess boss 😭) Still makes sense tho, a theme TV shows is “taking the spot”, being in the highlight And could a empty spot be more valuable than a rook, bishop, knight and pawn? Well… it is better to have an empty spot a queen can go to than a spot with a rook, if you also don’t have enough empty spots your king can get easily checkmated, so I guess?
Here's my version of the chess game - The black pieces are darkners King & Queen : King & Queen (duh) Rooks : Mike & Tenna Bishops : unseen church characters Knights : Rouxls & THE Knight, as Rouxls's initials are RK, he would be the best possible decoy. As he keeps seeking greater evil masters, he WILL surely end up serving the (real) knight. The Knight itself... well if he has to be a darkner that we know, he must be either Ralsei or Seam. Or maybe it's a character that we haven't met yet. Pawns : the flowers, I didn't think about that before watching your video but that's a great guess. The chapter about them could have Flowey-like beings doing some save-related shenanigans (as saving is a dark world thing), perhaps they will become some sort of "new knight" for a short while in order to lure us. The Player : Gaster Noelle's mother and Alvin are not included here as they are not darkners, but could still be side-antagonists as Berdly was in Chapter 2, or even Susie in Chapter 1 somewhat - The white pieces are lightners King & Queen : Asgore & Toriel. On one hand, we see Toriel driving around, having a job, she has MOVED on from her past relationship, meanwhile Asgore is STAGNATING in misery, poverty, he's stuck in the past, he can't MOVE. They are a perfect duo of King and Queen from a chess perspective (as well as the obvious UT reference). If Chapter 6 takes place in the Flower Shop, Asgore would therefore become the last and most important piece on the board (before the grand finale with Gaster of course). Rooks : Berdly & Noelle. These two are obviously often paired, they're seen in the same dark world, they have quite a bit in common. Berdly being the rook could be a reference to him being a bird. For Noelle note how she's often represented in a christic form, with the thorn ring and her crucifixion by Queen; Jesus Christ is often associated with... crosses, which is how rooks move. The rook is a very powerful chess piece - the only piece with the Queen able to checkmate alone with a King - just like how Noelle is powerful in the weird route (also note that the animation of the snowgrave attack is an orthogonal movement, just like how rooks move once again). Bishops : Asriel & Alvin. Both are related to religion of course, you may add that Asriel is the angel of the prophecy in Undertale. For Alvin, I don't have anything else to prove that he's the other bishop, but note that name could be a reference to theologian John Calvin, one of the founders of Protestantism, who believed in determinism (one of the major themes in Deltarune). Knights : Kris & Susie. Susie is just... called a knight, she is fulfilling the role of a RPG knight, she is the white knight that's just obvious. Kris also fulfills the role of a RPG knight, furthermore they are controlled by the player, making them very unpredictible, something that seems common to all knights: Susie is chaotic, Rouxls is even worse and Ralsei or Seam would be an unpredictable twist to the story; just like how the knight is unpredictable in chess. The most obvious hint for Kris being a knight is that they're given an EGG by the man behind the tree, which in wingdings is written "left up up", the movement of a knight in chess. Kris also seems to be attracted to Susie but that's another theory for another day. Pawns : the other classmates (Catti, Jockington, Monster Kid, Snowy, Temmie & December) + possibly Alphys and Undyne as Undyne seems to serve an important role in Chapter 3, and Alphys is obviously linked to both Undyne AND the classmates. The Player : The Player (The Angel), this one is obvious
>Rouls Kard >RK Holy fuck how have I not seen this before Also I like this theory of the darkners & lightners having parallel pairings, nice reasoning!
if Ms Boom works at the church too, I wonder what this would mean for the Snowgrave route then? If chapter 4 is at the church, wouldn't people be impacted by this, specially Noelle?
something that won't leave my mind is if Noelle is capable of making a dark world. maybe.. in search of dess she would make a dark world based off the video game she likes? (dragon blazers I think? ) since she knows how to bug/cheat into the games code. maybe she can bug her way into a deeper part of the game dark world and hear dess calling out to anyone ? idk but I rlly think it could happen
I think the other rook on the light side is going to be catty, I think it’s very likely that she’ll be a dark world probably in the church one with jockington. Maybe they share the role of the rook because they are always paired together.
If secret bosses could also be stages of grief, (five chess pieces, usually five stages) Then Jevil is clear Denial, and Spamton is clear Bargaining. The order doesn't make any sense but ehhh~
An interesting minor theory that I have is that the Mayor’s first name is actually Clarisse, because that’s the name of the love interest character from the original Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer TV special.
i think kris being our king makes more sense, because of the main characters thus far, kris's chaacterization and intentions are far more subtle, but it's still them we're always with ,them we can't abandon, them we can't let fall. if we move ralsei off of king he'd probably be better as a bishop than a knight with all his religious imagery, but idk what to do about him and the distant sibling bishop thing.
Its definately a lot harder to apply the chess logic to the light side as the characters roles arent quite as defined. Heck, it could even be that all the delta warriors are currently pawn so they wont have a defined role until they achieve pawn promotion.
When you made the connection to Silent Night, the Christmas Carol, my jaw physically detached from my body and slammed into the floor and went through it. Holy crap. It’s all coming together.
mike and tenna being the two rooks is genuinely inspired as a theory, i can’t believe ive never heard anyone say that before, especially because the flowers being the 8 pawns is a relatively common theory. same with Mike being a “Microwave”- the obvious jump is to Mics and showbiz, but with the implied Mike - Tenna rivalry that makes *so* much sense. phenomenal video. i watched this while painting my nails yesterday so i kept getting Gobsmacked with each new piece of evidence and i had to just let the video keep going so i wouldn’t smudge them by pausing 😭 i DID pause anyway when you said “silent knight, like the carol” because that blew me away. like that is so fucking clever. even if you end up being wrong, props to you, i think it’s a testament to your creativity. while i’m also not completely sold on knight knight, this definitely brought her up to being a serious candidate to me! you were right about the amount of evidence. sometimes with deltarune theories i feel like ive heard everything with how often some of the big ones get repeated and discussed, but this one is a great new take. really good video. also, i was curious, what are your thoughts on December Holiday being the knight? i’m kind of surprised you didn’t mention that theory in the video. was that part of writing around how she actually went missing?
Dude. I thought I was the only one who thought about mike microwave. And multiple bosses per chapter. And flower pawns (I believe one pawn was already wasted to become a knight or something and after defeating him, you realize that there are 7 more knights on the rise, but then there would have been 3 knights... it still could work tho)
For your chess board thing, on each side, the two rooks, knights, and bishops each sit on a white *and* black square. So I really it'd be one Lightner and one Darkner on each side - possibly influenced further by the Snowgrave route, since that changes which 'pieces' are available
17:42 really cool idea but iirc we literally see toriel use it to call the cops so I can't imagine it's that neglected and one thing on the roaring knight candidate analysis segment, I think Papyrus has a good shot. Something that I've always been tripped up by is the Roaring Knight being called the Roaring Knight by Queen while she had no clue what the roaring was. The "Roaring" part of their name I think might actually be some sort of descriptor for some type of character trait. Papyrus fits the bill here as the roaring part could easily refer to roaring with laughter. Furthermore, Papyrus, if being manipulated by someone else, could actually lead us to the main antagonist of the game, be it Gaster or someone else (this would also apply to Alvin who I could easily see being led to believe they are doing something righteous). Another thing is that if there are two knights then I would assume that the Roaring Knight would be more tied to the game's overall story and the dark fountains, as they're the one being built up, opposed to the other knight who would be working in the shadows. Following this train of thought, I believe the non-Roaring Knight would be Carol. If there's two I definitely think Carol is one of the knights but she strikes me (from the little we know about her) as someone who'd be working independently like some sort of isolated solo act who just wants to find Dess and be done with it instead of someone who may be more interested in Dark Worlds by themselves.
idk if anyone else has said this yet but i always interpreted the "good morning star" as a pun on the medieval clubs that are also called 'morning stars'
only thing I disagree in this video is the characters in the lightner side of the chessboard. Ralsei already calls himself a pawn, iirc, and is a lot like one. Ralsei could still get a promotion and become the Queen piece, but regardless, I dont agree with him being the king. I believe the king piece is Susie. She has a lot of lines about her being "the king"; her own color, purple, is associated with royalty; and she has crowns all over her room. Susie acts a lot more like a king would, even having parallels with the king from chapter 1. I dont think the king being associated with men is relevant. It makes me wonder how the rules of chess apply to this theory. It would mean that not only Noelle is expendable, but Susie is not?
Very simple way of explaining the point values of pieces is "how easy is it to checkmate the enemy king if you have a certain combination of pieces". If you have a single queen (and your king) it's very easy, so it gets 9 points. If you have 2 rooks it's slightly easier to checkmate the king, so 2 rooks is 10 points, so 1 rook is 5 points. And while it's a bit more difficult, you can still relatively easily checkmate a king with just a took and king. Then once it gets to bishops and horses it gets much more difficult to checkmate the king. Neither piece can checkmate on their own with the king. You can checkmate with 2 bishops, and you still can checkmate with 1 knight and 1 bishop (though this is more difficult). However checkmating with 2 knights and only is not possible unless the enemy king does a heavy blunder. So in general the points values are just supposed to be a quick way of representing the material advantage of each player, and how they are matched against each other. The real reason for the points it a bit more complicated than the checkmate -thing since points also consider mid game utility not just endgame but it's close enough
Honestly, the video got a bit unhinged at some points; but I am totally sold by the “silent knight” thing. I think we might just need to wait for new chapters and see what happens, I feel like a lot of the chess pieces will just be filled by new characters.
I feel like I should mention that during the goner maker sequence; Gaster is speaking, but he gets cut off, someone else says that your vessel will be discarded and your choices don't matter.
The typer value is 666 up until the end where it switches to 2 and the capitalization is changed as well, it changes from all-caps to being capitalized normally, implying someone else is speaking.
11:50 Not quite a secret but it's notable that people were able to find the image of the tv being crossed out before it was officially revealed by changing the file name.
According to the Spamton Sweepstakes, Kris, Noelle, Azzy, and Dess buried an ICE-E's P"e"zza box in the graveyard when they were younger. Assuming that Chapter 5's fountain will be in the festival (which is in the taped off area as mentioned in 48:51 and BEHIND THE GRAVEYARD), we might end up getting an ICE-E-themed secret boss for Chapter 5 (I like to think of it as a play on the ICE-E crossword puzzle's "Nightmare" variant and how Noelle has that whole afraid-of-the-mascot-for-a-p"e"zza-place thing). Interestingly enough, according to this theory, you would encounter the knight(s) as Chapter 5's final boss. A reddit post (or, err, was it a comment in the reddit post???????? I cant remember) described how Burgerpants could also quite possibly be a candidate for being a knight. So basically, Chapter 5 with Burgerpants as the final boss AND an ICE-E secret boss?/?/??/?/??/?/?/?/????
I remember when I would go to church many years ago, the church would have a late night Saturday reception with a bigger Sunday morning reception, so with that logic it can easily explain going to the church at the end of Ch3 as well as being the location of Ch4’s Dark Fountain
this theory reminds me of the mechanical Turk, a machine that was presented as an automaton that could play chess, but was actually controlled by a grandmaster hiding under the table, I think consider the theme of freedom and control, it would make sense that after you defeat the machine, the person inside it comes out, and you beat them up and take their wallet.
alternative secret boss for chapter 3 could be a cowboy going off the theory that started up during the sweepstakes, from the page that references a cowboy shootout which later got mentioned as being "canceled", which most cowboy shows are canceled so the abandoned theme works. If you want the Sin ties Envy can still work, with the Cowboy being Envious that all the other Shows aren't "canceled" and technically all oblivious to being not free which the Cowboy would be free but ya know crazy.
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"Yknow I should really check how the Deltarune fandom is doing, it's been a few months"
The hour long theory video posted a few hours ago today loading a double barreled shotgun:
Which video?
@@WebcoreAngel Isn't it this one?
oh boy you better not search up device theory or literally any jaru video if you think 1 hour is long
lmao i just looked up device theory because i watched the first two episodes and i was all "oh yeah no device theory isnt too bad" and its six hours god i love this fandom
I don't think people believe Knight Papyrus because they think he's evil. I think they just think he's trying to make friends.
You got a good point. Despite his good intentions, Papyrus unknowingly being a pawn in someone else's schemes isn't unheard of, after all.
Idk about that. The Knight seems to have done some questionable stuff like trapping the kings and putting the one who very obviously hates Lightners in charge and also possibly telling the King about the heroes just so he could set up an ambush for us when we entered Ralsei's Dark World for the first time.
@NovatoEx I'm saying what the theorists believe, not what I believe.
Idk guys, i was sold the second papyrus said "why would i ever be an enemy?"
@@NovatoExperhaps papyrus was told by some higher power that he was simply trapping them like how he trapped US in his tool shed.
Don't be silly, Gaster is ness's father why else would he be absent?
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HE ALSO USES A ROTARY PHONE TO CONTACT SPAMTON
OOF, didn't need to do em like THAT
Nahh how whole gaster gain all those funds to supply ness and the crew with all that money
Dess is Ness
Completely agree about Mike and Tenna being the main bosses of ch3: I've seen so many people saying that Mike is the chapter's secret boss, but it doesn't make sense to me as Toby Fox would want to keep the secret bosses a, you know, secret; Having them be spoiled in the previous dark world would be boring.
Meanwhile Knight Knight being the roaring knight is such an out-there theory that I feel like it will end as either "Woody theory-level of speculation that ends up being more of a shitpost than anything" or "4D chess move that is completely accurate about the roaring knight's identity and role which puts veteran deltarune theorists to shame" with no in-between.
Also, thinking about it, there other reasons on why it could make sense:
-Toby Fox already made a big and scary important knight in Undertale who is female with Undyne, which means he likes the archetype and it would make sense Deltarune would have a similar character;
-Deltarune so far, despite having many important Undertale characters, has put it's focus on either new characters or Undertale characters that didn't get a big spotlight (Burgerpants, Gerson, Everyman,...): Knight Knight is literally a regular enemy so this statement would totally apply to her;
-While making one of the main antagonists of the game you want to be your masterpiece a regular enemy in your other title doesn't make sense at first glance, it would be the best way to hide them in plain sight as no one would speculate on them.
Here’s a connection between Kris and a pawn: the only way for a pawn to change columns is to capture, and that only way for Kris to make a meaningful change is to kill Berdley!
That's actually smart.
Here’s another thing:
I found some connections that I should share before ch3 and 4. It is a supplement to Chess Theory that involves the book Trough the Looking Glass. The book can be represented by a chess game, and there are some patterns I found relating to the prophecy. I recommend looking at a summary and you will see what I mean.
In that case, I wonder if the way to "un-weird route" is to kill again?
Maybe but that would be messed up
And at the end, Kris is always going to reach the end of the board anyway, lining up with "your choices don't matter". Also a pawn has to move exactly 7 times to reach the end of a chess board (if it doesn't move two spaces as its first move).
It's funny because i'm spanish speaker and the name of the rook piece in spanish is "torre" (the literal translation is "tower"), so until recently i thought that was the name of the piece in english too, so i was thinking... "oh, so the boss is a TV? Mike and/or Tenna? And the next chess piece is a tower? Then probably the next location must be a communication tower" (like this next "castle" is going to be one of those TV towers), and it made a lot of sense to me, especially since the fact that Toriel is in this chapter and maybe she's kidnapped like a princess and you have to rescue her from the tower where there should be a dragon too (from the book how to draw dragons and Susie will transform into Susiezilla to fight them), and probably you have to go up floor levels (because the Dreemurr's house has 2 floors and maybe there's something related to that), where each one is inspired by some television channel or programs (the weather, cooking show, etc), and that's why the 3rd chapter is supposed to be so long, because there are so many different areas with different settings, characters and dynamics, and at the end they will probably wake up inside Toriel's room (the last one) that was always locked and we will finally be able to see what she's hidding. But... it turns out that "rook" is the actual name in english lmaoo but the piece still looks like a tower tho, and unironically what Toriel and Kris lack is communication between them as she assumes what happens to them and simply lets them be instead of having a conversation about their feelings, and since Toriel is the one who has to be saved by Kris and not the other way around maybe this makes her finally trust them and stop being so overprotective
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This is all so well thought out dang. I really like this theory
I believe rook is the American term? In the UK, I was always taught it as a castle, so your theory might still hold water ^_^
amazing theory !
while i doubt this will be the case i cant stress how much i wanna see this happen
Reminder that the church in Deltarune has already been suggested to operate differently to any real world religions, so its not a stretch to say that their big mass of the week is on a Saturday instead of a Sunday
The 7th day advenists have it saturday, as well as a few other more mainstream ones.
@ICountFrom0 whos 7th day adventists, is that another deltarune theorist?
@@callumsmodellingcentre6902 religion, one that meets on saturday, hit yer google of choice.
@@callumsmodellingcentre6902 i believe 7th day adventists is a denomination of Christianity that meets on Saturday. The reason I think Deltarune church has their big mass on Sunday is because QC says we used to come to the diner with Asriel after Church *specifically on Sunday* which I interpret as implying that something about Sunday Service is different or special
How does Sans's and Undertale's KARMA work? Interesting we don't know.
"Silent Knight" sold me I can't lie
Pretty sure he got it from the popular "seven knights" theory you can find on youtube, which lists Alvin as chapter 1's "Strange Knight", Ms. Boom (or Susie's mom) as chapter 2's "Roaring Knight", Kris as chapter 3's "Silent Knight", Susie as chapter 4's "Dark Knight", then the other three i cant remember the order of, but it was "Horned Knight" Asgore, "Pizza Knight" Burgerpants, and "O' Holy Knight" Noelle (possibly in that order actually, idk).
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the reason points exist in chess is mainly as a teaching tool as whats more valuable too you on the board and who is currently in the lead.
I really like the landline secret boss theory. Even if its not true, its cool that like every other secret boss, the landline would keep up the theme of being the outcast in the group.
Jevil- joker card (vs King Spade)
Spamton- spam email (vs Queen laptop)
And the landline vs the TV and/or microwave
another interesting thing about the connection between the seven deadly sins and the secret bosses is how they were all likely contacted by gaster, the same dude with devil motifs (the 6's, the mentions or comparisons to hell in relation to the depths, his fall being similar to a fallen angel) its like they were tarnished by sin, the religious immagery in deltarune just keeps going
I like all these theories that attempt to connect all of deltarune’s scattered plotpoints. Like connecting the mayor, alvin and gaster here.
My biggest gripe is no ice-e’s because im an ice-e’s truther.
IIRC, going by the Double-Door Theory, ICE-E's Pezzaria might be a Dark World in Chapters 4-6 - here's hoping!
ah a fellow ice-e enthusiast
I think the secret bosses are generally viewed as 7 of the 8 pawns, with the 8th one being the Chapter 6 boss.
that makes a lot of sense, since they foreshadow the main bosses, and in chess most pieces can't goo anywhere until the pawns move out of the way
that makes a lot of sense, since they foreshadow the main bosses, and in chess most pieces can't goo anywhere until the pawns move out of the way
That makes quite a bit of sense, especially when you consider what pawns can do
Jevil: a pawn that usually gets discarded or captured early, would be used to disrupt enemy position (cause chaos in enemy ranks)
Spamton: a pawn who was able to make it (or nearly make it) to the other side of the board and be promoted, but was captured by the rook/queen
The newsletter sorta messed up the idea of starting in the Green Room, but this is still pretty possible.
@@LiMe251 yeah the picture of Susie was the main reason I had to put that in the beginning lol
@@awesomeandrewgames I mean it's only a small detail, doesn't mess with the important parts.
Wasn't that starting area revealed in a previous newsletter?
@Cooley_08 Yes, but the image that shows Susie sleeping in the most recent one seems to be at that same location.
personally I think Mike is likely to be a radio-type guy, but a microwave is a super fun idea I haven't heard before! both sound like they'd be awesome, great vid
Rattle_M_Bones has a take on Xitter that uses this concept. It’s a really good chapter take highly recommend
@@kaderobertson2489where can i find it? cant find them on x
The thing is, we dont see any radio adjacent things besides the tv, landline, and microwave in the house (all three use electromagnetic frequencies, just like radio does).
While i dont fully agree with this channels guess on it being the landline, since we know Toriel uses it, its more probable than them owning a radio at all despite not even using their "old tv". Toriel may be old, but she isnt ancient enough to have a radio laying around, and if she did, we would see it somewhere. Plus the pun in the name doesnt really work with radio. "Mike" is practically begging for a pun with "Microphone" or "microwave" or something of that variety. Though to be fair we havent seen a microphone anywhere, besides technically the landline, and a microwave doesnt have much reason to be forgotten/discarded/replaced at that point in history.
In conclusion: no conclusive answer possible due to lack of sufficient evidence for current assumed possibilities
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Video killed the radio star
16:21 actually, we'll probably wake up on the docks. the latest newsletter has the susie sleeping sprite combined with a cartoon spotlight on her face in the docks area we saw a while back.
if i had to guess, the green room is the room before the boss room. after all, a green room is where performers relax before a performance. that's why one of the doors leads to a room showing one of the shadow grunts putting on a sock behind a curtain, they're getting ready for the big show.
didn't he literally use the docks sprite earlier?
11:02 “And everything changed when the [[SWEEPSTAKES!!!]] attacked.”
"Don't believe anything you see on TV"
Oh I get it. 'cause the antenna is ON the TV.
42:00 I mentioned knight knight as a shitpost on Jaru’s knight video like 2 years ago. I cannot fathom it actually being someone’s real choice. I mean it’s funny. It would be like Toby to make a shitpost relevant. But we don’t even know if they exist or what they look like if they don’t have armor, assuming it isn’t all their flesh.
Yeah, Knight knight would be thematically appropriate but since she havent shown up in hometown yet, we do have to consider that she might just not be in the game.
45:50
Funny how you mentioned Good Morning, and Devil "Morning Star"
But not the fact that Morningstar is just like, an actual mace-like weapon
Also that while often depicted with spikes.
Its a blunt weapon and not really what you would consider a blade.
Mike is a miceophone. Mike Rook Phone
I think Mike Rook Wave Fits better
My original theory was he would be a phone named Mike Phoan (or some other variation) but he would look like a microphone because Mike Phone = Michael Phoan = Microphone.
Mike "Rook" Fon
Maybe mike is a microplastic
@leonroemann5309 Yeah I probably prefer a microwave Mike but I don't think the name flows the best
Couple explanations for some of the chess points confusion, in case anyone is at all interested:
Points do not materially affect the game. You can be many, many points up and still lose. What they are useful for, however, is to determine who is winning in any given position. If white has an extra knight, they are three points up and are therefore winning the game, and should adjust their strategy accordingly. Most good chess players really pay no attention whatsoever to points because it’s more of a tool to use when learning the game, and not something you need to care at all about when you actually know what you’re doing. For example, good players will often sacrifice points in order to gain a better position, which is a far harder thing to measure numerically, but can often make more of a difference in a real game.
With regards to bishops and knights, they’re given the same point count because it entirely depends on the position of the other pieces (especially the pawns) as to which is more valuable. If you want to overcomplicate things, all pieces have a sort of range of how useful they can be situationally, so there are some positions where a knight is effectively worth 4 points while a bishop is only 2. Nobody actually does this though, it’s enough just to say that whether a knight or bishop is better is entirely situational. And if you do some crunching, the consensus tends to be that the bishop is the more valuable piece slightly more often, but not nearly enough for the distinction to ever matter except at high levels.
1:50 in spanish a pawn in chess are refered to as "peon" so maybe there is a conection there to? Idk i just wanted to share that
I think you're overthinking tbh. Afaik, Toby only knows English and Japanese
@@mauro27279 as i said i wanted to share it even if it may not even be a posibility
Looks like peon is used as pawn in many languages cuz its like that in turkish aswell except we use piyon instead of peon but same meaning
6:39 into the vid so dunno if itll get mentioned later but seems unlikely, but a good point in chess theory is that the "boss pieces" like king, queen, rook, bishop cant move until the pawns move first, with the exception of the knight who can be the first move and jump over pawns and other pieces
46:57 adding fuel to that, since the CORE enemies are all powered up versions of ruins enemies, what if Knight Knight is being controlled by a ghost?? The only 2 enemies that are unchanged in hard mode are Napstablook and the Dummy, both ghosts... and we also see suits of armor get possesed all the time in media!!! The Dummy is the knight, confirmed right here and now!!
No idea for Magick tho, there's Toriel and Flowey but I don't think they count...
*and* both the mad dummy and knight knight have a stomach mouth
45:53 morning star is also the name of a weapon
I don’t believe papyrus is the knight because let’s be real, the whole thing with papyrus is that Toby knows we want to see him and he’s just fucking with us.
I'm definitely on the "Papyrus is Bait" team - I don't think he'll be part of the plot in any significant way
It would be incredibly lame writing wise to not include Papyrus when he’s already being setup to be in deltarune
52:47 Burgerpants: “Imma bout to end this man’s whole career”
I think Spamton is obviously Envy. His whole character arc is about being stripped of a position of power and being resentful of the success of others. He hates the other salesmen because they're successful when he's a failure living in a dump. He constantly follows the player around and idolizes our ability to make choices, something he can't do, which eventually culminates in him trying to forcibly taking kris's soul.
He's the textbook example of Envy.
I can actually add more evidence onto the Knight Knight idea. Knight Knight has 3 attacks. One of them uses the sun and another uses the moon. The Legend shows a sun and a moon when describing Lightners and Darkners. Finally, her 3rd attack is literally her stabbing her Good Morning Star into the top or bottom of the battle box, much like how a dark fountain is created.
Hey thanks for the shoutout, great video!! :)
EDIT: Also, despite everything I am still a Ms. Boom librarian truther!! Otherwise, why would no one be actually running the library in chapter 2? Ms. Boom fled the scene and Berdly is out looking for her!
Thanks for your great ideas! Also Susie does note how strangely empty the library is before we discover the dark world 🧐 maybe Toby will release an update where he adds Ms. Boom to the library in chapter 2 and call it the “we bring the boom” patch
At this point the fandom has spitballed so many ideas i'd be more surprised if *nobody* gets at least something right
45:54 morningstar is also also a modified mace (the weapon knight knight holds in her sprite) that is sort of like a ball and chain where the ball is a macehead. Why its called a morning star when it appears to just be a really long mace idk
Edit:as it turns out I am stupid and morning stars are not ball and chains with maceheads, those are just flails, and a morning star is literally just a long made, so I'm an idiot
Fails have chains, morningstars are basically the same as maces
@thepotatoportal69 upon further review, you are right and I am in fact stupid
thank you for including you search history, had fun reading them.
you missed temmie in the knight tierlist
she draws the dark worlds from the earth
I would just like to point out that while yes the morning star is a word for Lucifer. I think it much more likely Toby is actually referencing the morning star weapon which is generally a spiky ball on a stick or a spiky ball on a chain. Knight Knights weapon fits this description.
this video would kill a victorian era child
The flowers being the chapter 3 secret boss could make sense since we know dark worlds take into account the ideas of the individual lightners and not society at large.
For instance there are scary power sockets in chapter 3. But thats not a societal idea, thats noelle’s idea. Another instance would be the jacks in chapter 1 which, since susie and kris probably dont know how to play jacks (theyre young), the jacks are basically their light world versions with googly eyes.
I forget what the theory im getting that from is called.
So essentially the flowers could be discarded-associated since toriel and kris would associate those flowers with being discarded often. As asgore sends flowers often.
40:23 on the vessel, its prolly impossible 4 the vessel 2 actually be the knight candidate. The chapter 1 dark fountain has essentially already been created while we’re creating the vessel. So the only way the vessel could actually create the fountain is breaking out of wherever it is in SECONDS, and then run straight to the closet to create the card kingdom. This is genuinely impossible oof
@@Nik0252 Unless there was a time delay between creating it and waking up (like if it happened at midnight). There is even a theory that after creating the vessel you were disconnected from deltarune for months or even years before you were put into Kris. Also, maybe we were right below the card kingdom so the vessel just stabbed the floor from the other side or something.
(I'm vessel knight believer)
tying the home telephone to the secret boss is genius since it fit the freedom motif since it is literally tied to a wall with wires "strings"
i think a more fitting duo for the light side rooks would be Catti and Jockington, although they havent had much relevance yet, she and kris did both study occult stuff, and considering how caring she is of noelle, she might be up for a plan kris brings up, and jockington is... well theyve been a classic duo since their first gym class, and he Is called *Jock*ington
54:32 This is exactly the Dark RPG from the last arc of Yu-Gi-Oh. Spamton already has a Yu-Gi-Oh reference with 8000 points, so it is on the table for references.
I adore the idea that Deltarune is ultimately a chess match against the smartest mind of the Underground, i feel it oddly in-character? and in a way, Gaster gets to study us, learn from us, and we get entretainment and answers, its a win-win, we just have to keep playing
I think one of the quirks from the bishops in chapter 4 is that we'll never see them together since bishops can't switch between being on a white square and a black square
I just realized those Undertale training dummies like the Dummy in the Ruins, Mad Dummy, and the others seen afterword kind of look like Knight Chess Pieces. Also, the Dummy Ralsei made in Deltarune kind of looks like a Darker Knight Chess Piece.
You should also note that when the Deltarune/Undertale merch came out, there was a shirt named important person shirt. It's Kris's shirt, or what many people think. Your theory almost lines up if we say that the shirt is Asriel's. This could show that Asriel WILL be important later on, almost supporting the idea that Asriel will appear later on and become significant to the story.
17:43
"He's coming for me
_answer the phone_
I can't explain until you're all alone.
It pulls the strings and makes them ring
until your heart gets ripped up!"
a connection I tried making with kris was them being a pawn in the way that they only move forward one step at a time (in the sense that kris's progression making their way through the dark worlds progresses the story, i.e. the prophecy, forward) and that they move diagonally when they make an attack (like the ending scene of ch1 where they advance and cage the soul in a slow diagonal pattern)
with the way you pose the idea of pawn progression, kris maybe gets promoted to a "knight" in ch2. from the outside, the path from the bathroom window they escape from to the driveway where the car would be is the L-shape that a knight moves in (the odd pattern the knight piece possesses compared to the more straight forward movement sets the other pieces have is regularly known to be used tactically to catch opponents off guard when they strike, as in the midst of a game, the other player would be more likely to be distracted with planning and taking into account the more easier to read pieces to always see when a knight could flank them) the same could also somewhat be argued for their movement pattern during the ending cutscene where they make the dark fountain which the literal in-game knight is known to do
17:30 YES!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally someone mentioned this point, I have been thinking this for years. The secret bosses weren't just discarded objects, but objects that would be discarded in 99% of contexts. If being a secret boss just meant being discarded than literally every enemy in Chapter 1 would have been a secret boss.
kinda amazed how you're sitting there literally explaining what Rook is and Pawn promotion is.
nah, the Landline isn't "discarded" and even if it WAS, why wouldn't it be more related to the main object like Spamton and *especially* Jevil.
Spamton was a spam email, something you get on the internet and your personal computers which is normally thrown in the trash, and Jevil was the joker card, a card rarely used in a set and is normally discarded due to said lack of utility.
the most likely item to become the "secret boss" is literally shown to you by Susie, the *Television Remote,* a thing widely known to get lost *especially in the couch cushions* irl
Well there is a HUGE difference between lost and discarded a tv remote is extremely necessary for a tv to function so it will most likely be an npc or maybe even a mini boss but I can see a radio being a better secret boss is a radio for obvious reasons
Every chapter the bosses get downgraded a piece, like a king being the worthiest one, then its the queen, and prelast being the knight and then the pawn
3:14 the purpose of the points are just to make evaluations of the board easier, add up the points of both side’s remaining pieces and you have a rough idea of which is doing better. obviously it has inaccuracies, but atleast it requires no additional thoughts to perform it.
I like the "player is the angel" in universe theory. And so with the chessboard the Player can be the Angel of Salvation and Gaster can be the Angel of Death. (Or reversed in the weird route / if we end up being Kris's enemy)
I am baffled that no one has mentioned the idea of the chapter 3 secret boss being a landline
Really iconic that chapter 3 and 4 will come out together, since most rooks and bishops are alike and often paired together for a makeshift queen
But I feel like, one of the chapters won’t actually be in a dark world, or at least won’t be in a dark world until the end (prob chapter 4 or 5) which I guess makes sense, because a “spot” in chess can only have 7 possible variations: It either has a king, has a queen, has a rook, has a bishop, has a knight, has a pawn or has nothing.
But it would ruin the order, unless Toby considers a empty spot to be better than a spot with a bishop and/or a knight (better than a spot with a pawn is believable, as the other pieces can’t move if there’s pawns everywhere)
Am I cooking or am I going crazy like the rest of the fandom? Idk, maybe it’s just because I really would love if the knight is in chapter 6 and in chapter 7 we are the pawns
Edit: Oh my f-‘ing god (I made this whole comment literally JUST BEFORE he talked about how chapter 3 prob won’t have a chess boss 😭)
Still makes sense tho, a theme TV shows is “taking the spot”, being in the highlight
And could a empty spot be more valuable than a rook, bishop, knight and pawn? Well… it is better to have an empty spot a queen can go to than a spot with a rook, if you also don’t have enough empty spots your king can get easily checkmated, so I guess?
I feel like this could also be some weird scary dream which apparently Deltarune is based on young Toby’s dreams
clearly you're gonna be completely right and correct and toby is gonna make a "nuh uh" callout post with new (fake) lore drops
@@deluxxyfan7tristanwood961 Alex Hirsch moment
Here's my version of the chess game
- The black pieces are darkners
King & Queen : King & Queen (duh)
Rooks : Mike & Tenna
Bishops : unseen church characters
Knights : Rouxls & THE Knight, as Rouxls's initials are RK, he would be the best possible decoy. As he keeps seeking greater evil masters, he WILL surely end up serving the (real) knight. The Knight itself... well if he has to be a darkner that we know, he must be either Ralsei or Seam. Or maybe it's a character that we haven't met yet.
Pawns : the flowers, I didn't think about that before watching your video but that's a great guess. The chapter about them could have Flowey-like beings doing some save-related shenanigans (as saving is a dark world thing), perhaps they will become some sort of "new knight" for a short while in order to lure us.
The Player : Gaster
Noelle's mother and Alvin are not included here as they are not darkners, but could still be side-antagonists as Berdly was in Chapter 2, or even Susie in Chapter 1 somewhat
- The white pieces are lightners
King & Queen : Asgore & Toriel. On one hand, we see Toriel driving around, having a job, she has MOVED on from her past relationship, meanwhile Asgore is STAGNATING in misery, poverty, he's stuck in the past, he can't MOVE. They are a perfect duo of King and Queen from a chess perspective (as well as the obvious UT reference). If Chapter 6 takes place in the Flower Shop, Asgore would therefore become the last and most important piece on the board (before the grand finale with Gaster of course).
Rooks : Berdly & Noelle. These two are obviously often paired, they're seen in the same dark world, they have quite a bit in common. Berdly being the rook could be a reference to him being a bird. For Noelle note how she's often represented in a christic form, with the thorn ring and her crucifixion by Queen; Jesus Christ is often associated with... crosses, which is how rooks move. The rook is a very powerful chess piece - the only piece with the Queen able to checkmate alone with a King - just like how Noelle is powerful in the weird route (also note that the animation of the snowgrave attack is an orthogonal movement, just like how rooks move once again).
Bishops : Asriel & Alvin. Both are related to religion of course, you may add that Asriel is the angel of the prophecy in Undertale. For Alvin, I don't have anything else to prove that he's the other bishop, but note that name could be a reference to theologian John Calvin, one of the founders of Protestantism, who believed in determinism (one of the major themes in Deltarune).
Knights : Kris & Susie. Susie is just... called a knight, she is fulfilling the role of a RPG knight, she is the white knight that's just obvious. Kris also fulfills the role of a RPG knight, furthermore they are controlled by the player, making them very unpredictible, something that seems common to all knights: Susie is chaotic, Rouxls is even worse and Ralsei or Seam would be an unpredictable twist to the story; just like how the knight is unpredictable in chess. The most obvious hint for Kris being a knight is that they're given an EGG by the man behind the tree, which in wingdings is written "left up up", the movement of a knight in chess. Kris also seems to be attracted to Susie but that's another theory for another day.
Pawns : the other classmates (Catti, Jockington, Monster Kid, Snowy, Temmie & December) + possibly Alphys and Undyne as Undyne seems to serve an important role in Chapter 3, and Alphys is obviously linked to both Undyne AND the classmates.
The Player : The Player (The Angel), this one is obvious
>Rouls Kard
>RK
Holy fuck how have I not seen this before
Also I like this theory of the darkners & lightners having parallel pairings, nice reasoning!
16:23 confirmed not to be the case by latest newsletter
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Yeah but this was also made before the newsletter. Which is why they had the disclaimer at the beginning of the video.
0:46 i think Q5U4EX7YY2E9N is called queen because if you remove the x and ys and the numbers in Q5U4EX7YY2E9N you get queen
Yeah, but toby probably thought of that
So why make the serial number something that shortens to queen?
29:35 she is referred to as "Ms." Not "miss" meaning she could be married
very true ms. could also be miz
if Ms Boom works at the church too, I wonder what this would mean for the Snowgrave route then? If chapter 4 is at the church, wouldn't people be impacted by this, specially Noelle?
Yeah😊
something that won't leave my mind is if Noelle is capable of making a dark world. maybe.. in search of dess she would make a dark world based off the video game she likes? (dragon blazers I think? ) since she knows how to bug/cheat into the games code. maybe she can bug her way into a deeper part of the game dark world and hear dess calling out to anyone ?
idk but I rlly think it could happen
I think the other rook on the light side is going to be catty, I think it’s very likely that she’ll be a dark world probably in the church one with jockington. Maybe they share the role of the rook because they are always paired together.
If secret bosses could also be stages of grief, (five chess pieces, usually five stages)
Then Jevil is clear Denial, and Spamton is clear Bargaining.
The order doesn't make any sense but ehhh~
An interesting minor theory that I have is that the Mayor’s first name is actually Clarisse, because that’s the name of the love interest character from the original Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer TV special.
I just wanted to mention that two silhouettes appear in one of the concepts in chapter 3 (probably Mike and Tenna) which proves the theory
this cannel is lowkey so peak bro i loved watching this whole video. Absolute cinema keep it up
37:33 That line could also be interpreted as night-mare. A mare is a type of horse, and the knight in chess is a horse.
Doesn't Toriel use the landline when you call home? I'd hardly call it unused or forgotten.
Since a rook is a castle I think the final boss is the dark world ITSELF!!!
the air "crackling" with freedom is very interesting considering all of the analog technology becoming relevant to the story
i think kris being our king makes more sense, because of the main characters thus far, kris's chaacterization and intentions are far more subtle, but it's still them we're always with ,them we can't abandon, them we can't let fall.
if we move ralsei off of king he'd probably be better as a bishop than a knight with all his religious imagery, but idk what to do about him and the distant sibling bishop thing.
Its definately a lot harder to apply the chess logic to the light side as the characters roles arent quite as defined. Heck, it could even be that all the delta warriors are currently pawn so they wont have a defined role until they achieve pawn promotion.
Since king is the first boss does gaster canonically start a game of chess with the hyperaccelerated bongcloud?
I think the secret bosses make more sense as pawns than the flowers.
When you made the connection to Silent Night, the Christmas Carol, my jaw physically detached from my body and slammed into the floor and went through it. Holy crap. It’s all coming together.
mike and tenna being the two rooks is genuinely inspired as a theory, i can’t believe ive never heard anyone say that before, especially because the flowers being the 8 pawns is a relatively common theory. same with Mike being a “Microwave”- the obvious jump is to Mics and showbiz, but with the implied Mike - Tenna rivalry that makes *so* much sense.
phenomenal video. i watched this while painting my nails yesterday so i kept getting Gobsmacked with each new piece of evidence and i had to just let the video keep going so i wouldn’t smudge them by pausing 😭
i DID pause anyway when you said “silent knight, like the carol” because that blew me away. like that is so fucking clever. even if you end up being wrong, props to you, i think it’s a testament to your creativity. while i’m also not completely sold on knight knight, this definitely brought her up to being a serious candidate to me! you were right about the amount of evidence.
sometimes with deltarune theories i feel like ive heard everything with how often some of the big ones get repeated and discussed, but this one is a great new take. really good video.
also, i was curious, what are your thoughts on December Holiday being the knight? i’m kind of surprised you didn’t mention that theory in the video. was that part of writing around how she actually went missing?
Dude. I thought I was the only one who thought about mike microwave. And multiple bosses per chapter. And flower pawns (I believe one pawn was already wasted to become a knight or something and after defeating him, you realize that there are 7 more knights on the rise, but then there would have been 3 knights... it still could work tho)
I actually genuinely love the idea of Knight Knight being the Roaring Knight
Like there's a surprising amount of evidence and also it'd be cool
the KNIGHT MAYOR find absolutely blowed my mind
For your chess board thing, on each side, the two rooks, knights, and bishops each sit on a white *and* black square. So I really it'd be one Lightner and one Darkner on each side - possibly influenced further by the Snowgrave route, since that changes which 'pieces' are available
17:42 really cool idea but iirc we literally see toriel use it to call the cops so I can't imagine it's that neglected
and one thing on the roaring knight candidate analysis segment, I think Papyrus has a good shot. Something that I've always been tripped up by is the Roaring Knight being called the Roaring Knight by Queen while she had no clue what the roaring was. The "Roaring" part of their name I think might actually be some sort of descriptor for some type of character trait. Papyrus fits the bill here as the roaring part could easily refer to roaring with laughter. Furthermore, Papyrus, if being manipulated by someone else, could actually lead us to the main antagonist of the game, be it Gaster or someone else (this would also apply to Alvin who I could easily see being led to believe they are doing something righteous). Another thing is that if there are two knights then I would assume that the Roaring Knight would be more tied to the game's overall story and the dark fountains, as they're the one being built up, opposed to the other knight who would be working in the shadows. Following this train of thought, I believe the non-Roaring Knight would be Carol. If there's two I definitely think Carol is one of the knights but she strikes me (from the little we know about her) as someone who'd be working independently like some sort of isolated solo act who just wants to find Dess and be done with it instead of someone who may be more interested in Dark Worlds by themselves.
idk if anyone else has said this yet but i always interpreted the "good morning star" as a pun on the medieval clubs that are also called 'morning stars'
47:27 OHHHHHH Ok ok ok OK well you got me there! That's a very interesting proposal.
only thing I disagree in this video is the characters in the lightner side of the chessboard. Ralsei already calls himself a pawn, iirc, and is a lot like one. Ralsei could still get a promotion and become the Queen piece, but regardless, I dont agree with him being the king.
I believe the king piece is Susie. She has a lot of lines about her being "the king"; her own color, purple, is associated with royalty; and she has crowns all over her room. Susie acts a lot more like a king would, even having parallels with the king from chapter 1.
I dont think the king being associated with men is relevant.
It makes me wonder how the rules of chess apply to this theory. It would mean that not only Noelle is expendable, but Susie is not?
why are you censoring susie
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39:45 He looks happy to see you. Will you take the egg? There isnt even a man inside this one
Very simple way of explaining the point values of pieces is "how easy is it to checkmate the enemy king if you have a certain combination of pieces".
If you have a single queen (and your king) it's very easy, so it gets 9 points.
If you have 2 rooks it's slightly easier to checkmate the king, so 2 rooks is 10 points, so 1 rook is 5 points. And while it's a bit more difficult, you can still relatively easily checkmate a king with just a took and king. Then once it gets to bishops and horses it gets much more difficult to checkmate the king. Neither piece can checkmate on their own with the king. You can checkmate with 2 bishops, and you still can checkmate with 1 knight and 1 bishop (though this is more difficult). However checkmating with 2 knights and only is not possible unless the enemy king does a heavy blunder.
So in general the points values are just supposed to be a quick way of representing the material advantage of each player, and how they are matched against each other.
The real reason for the points it a bit more complicated than the checkmate -thing since points also consider mid game utility not just endgame but it's close enough
Honestly, the video got a bit unhinged at some points; but I am totally sold by the “silent knight” thing. I think we might just need to wait for new chapters and see what happens, I feel like a lot of the chess pieces will just be filled by new characters.
I feel like when we confront the roaring knight, he’ll likely have a similar appearance as the nightmare knight.
Oberon Smog is definitely the Knight.
Papyrus was wanting to be a royal knight maybe he might be the knight.
I feel like I should mention that during the goner maker sequence; Gaster is speaking, but he gets cut off, someone else says that your vessel will be discarded and your choices don't matter.
The typer value is 666 up until the end where it switches to 2 and the capitalization is changed as well, it changes from all-caps to being capitalized normally, implying someone else is speaking.
11:50 Not quite a secret but it's notable that people were able to find the image of the tv being crossed out before it was officially revealed by changing the file name.
According to the Spamton Sweepstakes, Kris, Noelle, Azzy, and Dess buried an ICE-E's P"e"zza box in the graveyard when they were younger. Assuming that Chapter 5's fountain will be in the festival (which is in the taped off area as mentioned in 48:51 and BEHIND THE GRAVEYARD), we might end up getting an ICE-E-themed secret boss for Chapter 5 (I like to think of it as a play on the ICE-E crossword puzzle's "Nightmare" variant and how Noelle has that whole afraid-of-the-mascot-for-a-p"e"zza-place thing).
Interestingly enough, according to this theory, you would encounter the knight(s) as Chapter 5's final boss. A reddit post (or, err, was it a comment in the reddit post???????? I cant remember) described how Burgerpants could also quite possibly be a candidate for being a knight.
So basically, Chapter 5 with Burgerpants as the final boss AND an ICE-E secret boss?/?/??/?/??/?/?/?/????
Chapter 3 in a house, your house is your castle, castle doctrine joke with Undyne, castles are rooks, rook boss in chapter 3.
I remember when I would go to church many years ago, the church would have a late night Saturday reception with a bigger Sunday morning reception, so with that logic it can easily explain going to the church at the end of Ch3 as well as being the location of Ch4’s Dark Fountain
this theory reminds me of the mechanical Turk, a machine that was presented as an automaton that could play chess, but was actually controlled by a grandmaster hiding under the table, I think consider the theme of freedom and control, it would make sense that after you defeat the machine, the person inside it comes out, and you beat them up and take their wallet.
alternative secret boss for chapter 3 could be a cowboy going off the theory that started up during the sweepstakes, from the page that references a cowboy shootout which later got mentioned as being "canceled", which most cowboy shows are canceled so the abandoned theme works. If you want the Sin ties Envy can still work, with the Cowboy being Envious that all the other Shows aren't "canceled" and technically all oblivious to being not free which the Cowboy would be free but ya know crazy.