VICTORINOX should name a knife after you, the ‘ “viictorinox felix, “ since you have shown them more ways to use and test their knives than they thought possible.
I’m not surprised. Victorinox has been making their knives for a long time. There are always ways to improve most any product. But Victorinox has always been the top dog when it comes to pocket knife multi tools for a reason. They do it right.
My first SAK was a Swiza and it was solid; Despite doing stupid things like bending the blade tips and throwing it, like any good 7 or 8 years old would do, it never broke. I couldn't understand the reamer as everyone thought the hole on it was for fishing... Most of hem probably still can't start a fire. It was exactly like the camper model though. Now I stick with Victorinox but, If I found a Swiza at a half-decent rebate, I wouldn't hesitate to buy it as a resident for my practice pack, the one I often forget to put some item in before leaving.
This comparison is entertaining, and as impartial as election advertising! I've been using my Federal Armed Forces Victorinox for decades, it works and cuts flawlessly. The BW-Scharf has been around for around 30 years. Whenever I'm out in nature, I have it with me. It is very useful and even if the serrated edge has long since given way to a straight edge, it is and remains my pocket knife. I still have a Wenger knife from my youth, I won't give it away either. Who knows if this will be joined by a Swiza? Best regards from Holstein, Bernd
A good, comprehensive comparison, Felix. I'd never heard of Swiza knives before and was tempted to invest in one, but looked at your review and decided not to invest because of the clear differences you showed up. Thank you for all your hard (very hot) work. Victorinox all the way for me.
@@fredperry9235 And the Victorinox outrider and rangergrip are delémont models so they are from the former Wenger factory Victorinox took over. So it's Wenger vs Ex wenger employees basically. My rangergrip 78 is awesome btw.
They are all great, Victorinox is sometimes too old fashioned and needs some updating. Wenger use to be more innovative. And I think Some Wenger staff moved to Swiza after Wenger was “bought” over. Victorinox and Wenger were both sister companies, so the people at the top got the money regardless of where you bought from. (Plus they both used the same steels and machinery. For that matter I’m not sure if Swiza uses the same steel and similar machines for assembling.) And you can see the innovation with the Swiza line. The one hand opening with the 3” blade is a massive market Victorinox is missing out on. So many people modify their Victorinox’s to make them one handed (like one of Felix’s mods.) Or swap the blades out for a Spyderco blade, they are that common they get called “Spydernox’s”. Also Swiza are more comfortable with the rubber scales, and curved handle. Much like like the Boker Tech Tools. Though the position of the lanyard loop apparently digs into the hand. And the Swiza models have both locking and non locking versions, and with the locking versions the unlocking button/ switch is under the swiss cross. Very lovely indeed. No hate to Victorinox they still are one of the best, and the original.
@@handyharvey They are still the original and the best for most people. But for myself the only thing that lets them down is not having a one handed opening main blade in the 3 inch or less range. It’s so handy! The Boker tech tool range is nice, it’s modern twist on a SAK. And it’s just crying for a one handed main blade.
Great video. Consider a review of the Boker Tech Tool line, would love to see your comparisons and hear your impressions. I recently got their TT7 and I think it’s a step above my (already excellent) Victorinox collection. The 12C27 steel is *nice*, but not sure how field-sharpenable it will turn out to be.
Tough the Blade is very good in my opinion Böker missed a great opportunity to make something different with theyr TT City Line. I wanted one for Urban Edc, but instead of concentrating on City use able Tools they included an awl and a corkscrew for example . Not very usable City Tools. I also have to agree, that the scissors are not nearly as good as the Vic ones. The only good things for an Urban Environment is the glass breaker and the serrated blade. Only that the serrated blade is not locked and can hurt you very bad. The Vic rescue Knife, or my Leatherman Rebar, make my actual urban Edc, it's much suited to the task IMHO!
@Hendrik Garnkäufer for a city tech tool I would like to see: -a nice blade -glass breaker -working serrated blade to cut cloth. with rounded tip so it works also for first aid -working scissors for cutting plastering or fingernails -nail file -mini bit Holder or squared screw driver with bit Holder like Leatherman -bottle opener with screw driver/prybar is OK, but I'm sure no one needs that ole can opener in the city
@Hendrik Garnkäufer right now I'm pretty happy with my Leatherman Rebar. It lacks the one handed opening option, but has the nicest tool set considering weight and size. The glass breaker is missing, but I thing the tip of they pliers could break something in case of emergency. I also always carry a swisscard mainly for the scissors and the nail file. Im trying swisscard with leatherman squirt and pocket knife as edc right now!
I appreciate seeing someone making a comparison between these two brands of Swiss knives. Both use tools that differ in design from one another. The awl on the Victorinox is made for wood more than for leather and canvas. The awl on the Swiza is not as good for wood however; is better for canvas and leather. It is sharp and also works for opening plastic packing and boxes. It also can make precise cuts in leather and canvas too. The blade steel is equal in durability and edge retention. The blades of both are also equal in fit and finish. However; the Swiza uses stainless liners rather than aluminum that provide more residence to corrosion. The tweezers on the Victorinox face outward and Swiza’s face inward and are better protected from loss than the Victorinox ones. The difference in cutting speed between the saw blades shows the advantage going to Victorinox. However; both work well for their size; just one is faster cutting wood. Both companies have great warranties for repair and replacement. The corkscrew is made to pivot to prevent damage while removing corks from bottles. Being larger in diameter also reduces the chances of the screw pulling out of the cork. The difference between the scissors is simply to different designs. How many cuts would it take to cut a sheet of paper in half using ones much larger and longer seem to be missed in the test. I have both in different models and simply put; they both do things better than the other can. Victorinox is the more popular of the two however; they make countless models and are more collectable. I bought a Swiza for a couple reasons first they are different and second they are dishwasher safe. If you read the care cleaning recommendations for the knife that is what they say in the care directions. So the Swiza is a better food knife than a Victorinox and the slots in the tools makes them easier to use. 🎇🔎🎇🔪
I own 3 Victorinox knives- the Huntsman, the Fieldmaster (one has a corkscrew, the other a Phillips head screwdriver other than that they are the same), and just recently the Hiker (because of its slimness and lightweight). The Huntsman got me through USAF Survival School back in 1991 when I was earning my wings. Even though I've used it almost daily for over 30 years it still functions and looks as new as the day I bought it. Eventually I'm going to buy a RangerGrip 79 based on its bulletproof sturdiness. Got to hand it to the craftsmanship of the Swiss.
Its funny because I read your comment on the same day (yesterday) when I picked up my new RangerGrip 79, after owning 91mm SAKs. I'm really impressed, it is great in all terms, my Hiker seems like a toy besides it. :) My third SAK is a Ranger which I love as the ultimate cutting tool (blades, scissors, woodsaw, metal saw).
On the topic of craftsmanship, it's been a very long time since these were handmade en masse. Nowadays just about the only manual steps in the process are the insertion of the pin and the pen. Hence so many models come with the pin hole but no pin (personally I'd have rather received it in the box and stuck it in myself, than not at all, but presentation clearly matters here), and no pen by default, even though there's no trade-off for having it. With all that said, this is Swiss automation we're talking about, so really all they've done is upgraded the excellent craftsmanship from hand assembly to process control. I thus expect nothing short of perfection at a significantly improved unit cost 😁
Felix is back!! Excellent!! The results were of course no surprise to most of us. Your point about nail nicks and hand comfort are refreshing when so many reviewers and preoccupied with form over function. All that said perhaps a different T shirt might be a good idea. Fantastic to have you back Felix - looking forward to the next one already!
Never heard of Swiza, nice comparison video. I think I will stick with my original Victorinox Champion I got back in the 80's. She's never let me down.
I was just wondering if the price difference between Victorinox and Swiza was justified. I guess I have my answer know. Swiza have a cool design, but it looks more like a fashion accessory than a hard working knife. I have a Forrester but my daily is the Spartan , both went to hell and back tho. I just sent the damaged Forrester to Victorinox which sent me back a new one. I know Swiza says they have the same lifetime warranty has victorinox except they are asking for a "proof of purchase" by an "authorized" dealer. Victorinox do not require any of those, I sent them an old "spartan" with sticky blades that I found in a flee market, they sent a new one.
i wasnt aware of this ,its handy to know, iv a victorinox handyman that came from a flea market stall, as new no box, unwanted gift so seller said, two stalls down i got the leather victorinox pouch, i have a victorinox mauser that still has its saw shield too
Welcome back. I knew the SAK would win. But hat off to you for an objective review. Agree about durability of the SAK. Got mine in 84, still going very strong. Holds a brilliant edge. Strong. Takes abuse. A lot. Only thing that's gone wrong is that I broke the tip of the big blade being very stupid.
@@Alexanbreizh lol. Not quite. I was trying to lever a couple of things apart that decided to show me who was boss. The SAK was caught in the crossfire. Really annoyed me as it was a present from a very close friend.
Great review! I hope that Swiza quality improves in the future. I love my Victorinox knives but they basically have a monopoly on high-quality SAKs and some serious competition would be a good thing to keep them on their toes and drive innovation.
From my experience: Swiza advantages : better handle material (Victorinox cellidor is really cheap. It will be scratched or broke for nothing), inox liners (aluminium for Victorinox), better design. Victorinox advantages: superior manufacturing quality, tools are generally more effective, finition is better.
Welcome back, Felix! Excellent comparison. You can call me a purist, or call me a snob, but I will choose Victorinox every time! You did a great job of proving why.
Welcome back Felix. I wonder why people go to the gym when a Swiss knife comparison make you sweat like hell ! That is a real knife test and review . Tough I like the look of the Swiza I prefer the Victorinox, one is for your laptop backpack , the other for the outdoor/tactical rucksack. Thanks again, merci, dance….
I believe even with the conclusions Felix has done a service to Swiza, they will get a lot of exposure and plenty of people will want one... especially those that have had more than one victorinox
I was cleaning my Spartan and decided to dunk the Swiza also into soapy water. After a 4 hour soak, the spacer between the awl and the liner on the Swiza shed it's chrome plating and is now rough and the awl grates open and shut. The spacers for Vics are SS. Also every time I close the awl on the Swiza it bites off the tip of the closed big blade. Vics have a barely perceptible curve on the blade to avoid exactly this!
Felix, I appreciate the effort you put into these videos, especially this one! Your videos are always informative and interesting, and I think Victorinox should put you on the payroll!
Swiza is never going to replace my Saks. I had one, and the awl was very weak. Twisted with the first attempt going through a plastic handle on my garbage container.
Bought my first Vic in Seattle at a army navy surplus store, while attending an arson class, per the instructions of the teacher. It was my most often used tool over 35 years. Still have it, the old style Hunter, scissors/saw/blades/ standard tool set.
Great review, I learned a lot. I’ve been carrying Swiss Army knives for over 40 years on a daily basis, and not only do they take and keep a sharp edge, I can sharpen them to a razor edge with a pocket sharpener. A harder blade is not necessarily a better blade. I have a sheath knife that I can only sharpen in a reasonable time with a diamond hone. Buck knives used to make their blades very hard, and because they were harder to sharpen they started producing blades in a “normal” range of hardness (they used to show their blades cutting nails back then). I admire Swiza for trying new designs though.
Enjoyable always to see your passion on Victorinox. In the last two weeks alone I have used my everyday multiple times including making a new handle for my scythe from a block of wood using the saw and the large blade, fitting a new broom handle whittling the end , repairing a broken thumb nail with the small blade, extracting a thorn with the tweezers, picking my teeth😬, removing corks from garden lights with regular corkscrew and reamer , putting nee batteries in sons toy with the can opener screwdriver part . And the knife remains as good as new! Bravo Victorinox!
I have a few of both. I'm glad Swiza exists and is doing something original personally. Don't forget they're run by some ex-Wenger staff so do have experience
The SWIZA knifes are designed to be made on automatic machines and as such the quality has to be consistent. The locking main blade is clearly a key feature that is targeting a different customer base too , the "NON knife" folks, the "safeties " and all who want something hip ! We gives the basic model as business gifts here in US and men tell me that their wife , GF "confiscated" his SWIZA knife, the moment she saw it !! I am very impressed by the SWIZA knives and will continue to buy these as gift item ! I give the these young engineers and designers a lot of credit to launch this radical design and manufacturing concept, with Victorinox as THE competitor!
Welcome back my friend Felix! Good to see your smiling face again. Thanks for the comparison, some interesting differences, and surprising similarities I was not expecting.
Great to see you back, Felix! I hope you had a great Summer with your family. Thank you for a very good review. I'd seen Swiza knives mentioned elsewhere, but did not know anything about them. I appreciate your fair review.
I own about 42 Victorinox knives and 1 Swiza. lol From what I've experienced, it's clear that the Victorinox seems better designed for urban or outdoor settings, while the Swiza is more suitable for the home. Why? The Swiza's convenient locking button mechanism, the very large Tailor style scissors suitable for clothing, the bright colors and rubberized handles for comfort. I picture this in a kitchen drawer or tool box and used by the entire family, including children.
Looks like the Swiza needs to stop acting like a cheap Chinese knockoff! If the screwdriver in the Swiza doesn’t hold up any better than the SAK… holy crap! Did they temper it??? My other question… the rubberized products that I have used in the past deteriorate & become sticky. How well does the Swiza handles hold up?
I'm happy that you're back!! This was an awesome comparison. I've never tried a Swiza knife, so I can't say anything bad about them. But I can say a heck of alot of good things about my Victorinox knives, and the Outrider is one of my favorites. Thanks for this great video, my friend!
Considering Swiza hasn't been in the business of making knives forever so the Swizas are decent for what they are. If they keep improving their designs over a few generations they will be really nice. Also, Swizas offer a comb tool :D
I had a unbranded "Sheffield steel" pocket knife as a boy and then bought a Leatherman for work as a multi tool which has served me well. I always wanted a Victorinox as a child but they were too expensive to justify. After seeing how you use a Victorinox I've now regressed to my boyhood ambitions and went out and bought one.
I have a Swiza and more than 40 Victorinox knives and I can tell you that Victorinox is the best SAK. Swiza is still learning how to make knives whereas Victorinox has been on the market for a century and a half.
I’m not sure how many Victorinox knives I have. Being Swiss, my first one was given to me for my 7th birthday and still have the scars that educated me. I’m almost 60 now and gave that same knife to my son when he was young. He still has the knife with it’s 2 lifetimes of scars from jump starting cars to chopping open cans. The stories that knife could tell. I still never go anywhere without a Swiss Army knife. They’re indispensable, last forever. The only crying will be if you lose your’s.
Swiss make great products, these swiza knives are not good designs, hopefully they improve their designs and materials and become a genuine contender to victorinox, its a salhame victorinox got to take over wenger
une chose que vous "oubliez" les "spyderhole" du swiza rende plus souple l'outil vu qu'il manque de la matière alors que le système victorinox non....! allez....encore 10 de plus....
Swiza has some interesting decisions, like the lock blade, the scissors design (although i'm not saying that it's good or better, consider that) and, if i'm not mistaken, steel separators. Victorinox is all right as always but competition is always a good thing.
Ruike knives are the only decent multitool knife, the rest is not worth your money due to snap-on celidor or polyamide scales or non-locking alox versions that are just instant fails design-wise.
@@FelixImmler I recommend you look into the Ruike LD-11 to LD-51 if you want to talk about a different-built SAK style multitool in one of your videos. Cheers!
Hallo Felix, Danke Dir. Ich finde das Swiza zwar auch schlechter verarbeitet aber zwei Dinge gefielen mir: Das TickTool welches auch bei einem kleinen Messer eine Lupe hat und die Ausführung mit Olivenholzgriff. So ergänzt mein EDC ein Swiza TickTool mit Olivenholzgriff. Wenn hart auf hart kommt habe ich noch ein SwissTool im EDC ;o): th-cam.com/video/fC0duzZ_pwA/w-d-xo.html Ein SwissTool lässt sich übrigens gut in einem Etui in der Hosentasche tragen: th-cam.com/video/doGL5PKWWbc/w-d-xo.html Gruß Eric.
Ich habe auch beide Messer. Beim Swiza hat sich die Ahle nach zwei Einsätzen verabschiedet. Mein Outrider nutze ich seit zwei Jahren intensiv, sieht zwar nicht mehr aus wie neu, funktioniert aber noch wie am ersten Tag. Swiza hat ein frisches Design, aber funktionell ist anders. Danke für das Video Felix, wie immer sehr informativ. …. noch schöner wäre eine zusätzliche deutschsprachige Ausgabe 😉
Thank you Felix for excellent review. Everything you mentioned here is correct. I also want to share some personal experience of owning Swiza knives for 4 years. I have two knives: - one-layer red Swiza D01 with large blade, awl and corkscrew, - three-layer khaki Swiza D05 with large blade, wood saw, awl, corkscrew, can and openers. Swiza D01 is my EDC knife during 4 years, I use it a lot. I have tested Swiza D05 at home but never actually used it because of bad ergonomia. The wood saw and openers are sharp and sticking out from handle. I like the design of Swiza D01 knife, however the finishing and durability are not as good as Victorinox's. Especially I disappointed with quality of Swiza scales. After one year the "white cross" push button which unlocks the blade has failed. I wrote an email to Swiza to claim the problem, but Swiza has not answered my email. So I made the replacement knob from the constitution glue. The DIY knob is rather ugly, but it's do the job. The coating of the scales is erased with time. When the knife is unused and stored in the box for about a month the scales are sweating with oily substance. It's take couple of minutes for me to wash and wipe it. Swiza takes a premium price for it's products. But the premium price is not on a par with low overall the qualify of the product and the customer service doesn't answering email.
Maby this is a call for victorinox designers to pay more atention to the competitors, i liked the hole instead of the nothc and also the older models of victorinox can have better ergonometry.
Thank you for this very revealing video. I was thinking of buying a Swiza for a while now. But the poor build quality is a deal breaker for me in this price range. You prevent me from a huge disappointment. Thank you, again for yet another great video.
I have owned a swiza D03 olive fern for almost a year now and i'm very impressed with the quality. I have carved into oak and even hammered its blade into an oak log(don't ask me why) but it held up really nice, no blade play and the edge held a functional sharpness(not quite shaving sharp but there). I have also used the awl to drill holes too but i only spun in one direction and it did its job. If you spin it like you do with the Victorinox it breaks, because of its shape it creates additional torsion in the blade, it's not because of poorer quality of the steel. Of course it cannot be better than a knife that has been in development for so long, but it is still a very nice edc knife. Also I may add that every tool is tight in its place and the spring tension is just right, not to tight so you'd have to fight with it but not too loose. Idk maybe there are some quality control issues, which is a great issue don't get me wrong...but they are newbies still compared to Victorinox😅😅😅.
My take after looking at the Swiza offerings on Amazon is that, while I like some of their features, Victorinox seems to offer more useful combination of tools. Perhaps that is because they've had more years of experience about what the public wants.
I gave away the Leatherman multi-tools every time I was given because they too hard on my "delicate" hands. Lol! And I was a career professional firefighter-paramedic!
VICTORINOX should name a knife after you, the ‘ “viictorinox felix, “ since you have shown them more ways to use and test their knives than they thought possible.
What a brilliant idea!
I would buy one if he may help design
Yes v want a Felix edition
Agree 100%
the Victirinox Immler would sounds much better
but yes, i totally support that idea!
It's great to see you again Felix . You were missed greatly !!
Thank you so much brother!
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Welcome back Felix... I hope you have rested and enjoy... Nice to see you again...
Than k you so much!
I’m not surprised. Victorinox has been making their knives for a long time. There are always ways to improve most any product. But Victorinox has always been the top dog when it comes to pocket knife multi tools for a reason. They do it right.
Радий бачити тебе, Фелікс. Дякую за відео!
My first SAK was a Swiza and it was solid; Despite doing stupid things like bending the blade tips and throwing it, like any good 7 or 8 years old would do, it never broke. I couldn't understand the reamer as everyone thought the hole on it was for fishing... Most of hem probably still can't start a fire. It was exactly like the camper model though.
Now I stick with Victorinox but, If I found a Swiza at a half-decent rebate, I wouldn't hesitate to buy it as a resident for my practice pack, the one I often forget to put some item in before leaving.
This comparison is entertaining, and as impartial as election advertising!
I've been using my Federal Armed Forces Victorinox for decades, it works and cuts flawlessly. The BW-Scharf has been around for around 30 years. Whenever I'm out in nature, I have it with me. It is very useful and even if the serrated edge has long since given way to a straight edge, it is and remains my pocket knife.
I still have a Wenger knife from my youth, I won't give it away either. Who knows if this will be joined by a Swiza?
Best regards from Holstein, Bernd
That was a lot of work. Thanks for the comparison.
A man I work with who is a gardener bought a Swiza... The thing broke in about 3 days 😂
Oh no... actually a SWIZA should not broke. Send it back! may be there was someting wrong on this model.
Great job my friend. I absolutely love my Victorinox knives. Have a great weekend brother.
A good, comprehensive comparison, Felix. I'd never heard of Swiza knives before and was tempted to invest in one, but looked at your review and decided not to invest because of the clear differences you showed up. Thank you for all your hard (very hot) work. Victorinox all the way for me.
"10 more!" - my new motto for everything. Rope cuts, pizza slices, knife purchases... Thanks for another great video!
"Wellcome back my friend to the show that never ends". Another perfect explanation, thanks for the video!
Glad you liked it! Thank you so much my friend!
I see Felix - I like it. Hi Felix! Welcome back. We missed you.
Thank you so much!
Very interesting comparison. Too bad neither model includes a broom and dustpan for cleaning up after you've finished your test.
It's almost like a hundred years of development went into the Victorinox... 😉
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Since 1884
Swiza has also been around for a long time, but seems to have less to show for it, at least where knives are concerned.
Swiza is run by ex-Wenger employees
@@fredperry9235 And the Victorinox outrider and rangergrip are delémont models so they are from the former Wenger factory Victorinox took over. So it's Wenger vs Ex wenger employees basically.
My rangergrip 78 is awesome btw.
@@Mart687 That's a great point. I found a store on ebay selling new wengers (eg old stock) bought a few. I really like the Wengers.
Nothing's gonna change my loyalty to Victorinox. I've been using it since I was 19 yrs old...I'm 49 now.
Yes. Victorinox all the way 👍
Wenger was also great. But I have been using Victorinox for 40+ yrs too!!!
They are all great, Victorinox is sometimes too old fashioned and needs some updating.
Wenger use to be more innovative.
And I think Some Wenger staff moved to Swiza after Wenger was “bought” over.
Victorinox and Wenger were both sister companies, so the people at the top got the money regardless of where you bought from.
(Plus they both used the same steels and machinery. For that matter I’m not sure if Swiza uses the same steel and similar machines for assembling.)
And you can see the innovation with the Swiza line.
The one hand opening with the 3” blade is a massive market Victorinox is missing out on.
So many people modify their Victorinox’s to make them one handed (like one of Felix’s mods.)
Or swap the blades out for a Spyderco blade, they are that common they get called “Spydernox’s”.
Also Swiza are more comfortable with the rubber scales, and curved handle.
Much like like the Boker Tech Tools.
Though the position of the lanyard loop apparently digs into the hand.
And the Swiza models have both locking and non locking versions, and with the locking versions the unlocking button/ switch is under the swiss cross.
Very lovely indeed.
No hate to Victorinox they still are one of the best, and the original.
@@kylethedalek you're right. I guess Victorinox need to do some uprgrades to keep up with the competiton.
@@handyharvey They are still the original and the best for most people.
But for myself the only thing that lets them down is not having a one handed opening main blade in the 3 inch or less range.
It’s so handy!
The Boker tech tool range is nice, it’s modern twist on a SAK.
And it’s just crying for a one handed main blade.
Great video. Consider a review of the Boker Tech Tool line, would love to see your comparisons and hear your impressions. I recently got their TT7 and I think it’s a step above my (already excellent) Victorinox collection. The 12C27 steel is *nice*, but not sure how field-sharpenable it will turn out to be.
Great suggestion! Thanks a lot!
no China made stuff...
Tough the Blade is very good in my opinion Böker missed a great opportunity to make something different with theyr TT City Line. I wanted one for Urban Edc, but instead of concentrating on City use able Tools they included an awl and a corkscrew for example . Not very usable City Tools. I also have to agree, that the scissors are not nearly as good as the Vic ones.
The only good things for an Urban Environment is the glass breaker and the serrated blade. Only that the serrated blade is not locked and can hurt you very bad.
The Vic rescue Knife, or my Leatherman Rebar, make my actual urban Edc, it's much suited to the task IMHO!
@Hendrik Garnkäufer for a city tech tool I would like to see:
-a nice blade
-glass breaker
-working serrated blade to cut cloth. with rounded tip so it works also for first aid
-working scissors for cutting plastering or fingernails
-nail file
-mini bit Holder or squared screw driver with bit Holder like Leatherman
-bottle opener with screw driver/prybar is OK, but I'm sure no one needs that ole can opener in the city
@Hendrik Garnkäufer right now I'm pretty happy with my Leatherman Rebar. It lacks the one handed opening option, but has the nicest tool set considering weight and size. The glass breaker is missing, but I thing the tip of they pliers could break something in case of emergency. I also always carry a swisscard mainly for the scissors and the nail file.
Im trying swisscard with leatherman squirt and pocket knife as edc right now!
I appreciate seeing someone making a comparison between these two brands of Swiss knives. Both use tools that differ in design from one another. The awl on the Victorinox is made for wood more than for leather and canvas. The awl on the Swiza is not as good for wood however; is better for canvas and leather. It is sharp and also works for opening plastic packing and boxes. It also can make precise cuts in leather and canvas too. The blade steel is equal in durability and edge retention. The blades of both are also equal in fit and finish. However; the Swiza uses stainless liners rather than aluminum that provide more residence to corrosion. The tweezers on the Victorinox face outward and Swiza’s face inward and are better protected from loss than the Victorinox ones. The difference in cutting speed between the saw blades shows the advantage going to Victorinox. However; both work well for their size; just one is faster cutting wood. Both companies have great warranties for repair and replacement. The corkscrew is made to pivot to prevent damage while removing corks from bottles. Being larger in diameter also reduces the chances of the screw pulling out of the cork. The difference between the scissors is simply to different designs. How many cuts would it take to cut a sheet of paper in half using ones much larger and longer seem to be missed in the test. I have both in different models and simply put; they both do things better than the other can. Victorinox is the more popular of the two however; they make countless models and are more collectable. I bought a Swiza for a couple reasons first they are different and second they are dishwasher safe. If you read the care cleaning recommendations for the knife that is what they say in the care directions. So the Swiza is a better food knife than a Victorinox and the slots in the tools makes them easier to use. 🎇🔎🎇🔪
👍👍
Victorinox is the only brand that stands apart from all the others. They are the original, and always will be.
Thanks for your positive feedback!
@@FelixImmler
Thank you for everything that you do sir!
I own 3 Victorinox knives- the Huntsman, the Fieldmaster (one has a corkscrew, the other a Phillips head screwdriver other than that they are the same), and just recently the Hiker (because of its slimness and lightweight). The Huntsman got me through USAF Survival School back in 1991 when I was earning my wings. Even though I've used it almost daily for over 30 years it still functions and looks as new as the day I bought it. Eventually I'm going to buy a RangerGrip 79 based on its bulletproof sturdiness. Got to hand it to the craftsmanship of the Swiss.
You won’t be disappointed with the RangerGrip.
Its funny because I read your comment on the same day (yesterday) when I picked up my new RangerGrip 79, after owning 91mm SAKs. I'm really impressed, it is great in all terms, my Hiker seems like a toy besides it. :) My third SAK is a Ranger which I love as the ultimate cutting tool (blades, scissors, woodsaw, metal saw).
Ordered a ranger 79 today. Can’t wait to get it. Ive been using an old Wenger for years but want something larger that I can open with one hand.
On the topic of craftsmanship, it's been a very long time since these were handmade en masse. Nowadays just about the only manual steps in the process are the insertion of the pin and the pen. Hence so many models come with the pin hole but no pin (personally I'd have rather received it in the box and stuck it in myself, than not at all, but presentation clearly matters here), and no pen by default, even though there's no trade-off for having it.
With all that said, this is Swiss automation we're talking about, so really all they've done is upgraded the excellent craftsmanship from hand assembly to process control. I thus expect nothing short of perfection at a significantly improved unit cost 😁
OK, so, next video, show us your "back side of the head test" you used to determine blade sharpness. 🤓
Yes! 😂
Advanced knife-fu technique for highly experienced, calibrated heads only ;-)
@@nickb9397 Ah, I didn't know I'd have to send my head in to be calibrated. Nevermind then. 😢
Nah, I don’t want to see how big a chip that thing took out of Felix’s head.
Felix is back!! Excellent!! The results were of course no surprise to most of us. Your point about nail nicks and hand comfort are refreshing when so many reviewers and preoccupied with form over function. All that said perhaps a different T shirt might be a good idea. Fantastic to have you back Felix - looking forward to the next one already!
Never heard of Swiza, nice comparison video. I think I will stick with my original Victorinox Champion I got back in the 80's. She's never let me down.
Good choice!
I was just wondering if the price difference between Victorinox and Swiza was justified. I guess I have my answer know. Swiza have a cool design, but it looks more like a fashion accessory than a hard working knife.
I have a Forrester but my daily is the Spartan , both went to hell and back tho. I just sent the damaged Forrester to Victorinox which sent me back a new one. I know Swiza says they have the same lifetime warranty has victorinox except they are asking for a "proof of purchase" by an "authorized" dealer. Victorinox do not require any of those, I sent them an old "spartan" with sticky blades that I found in a flee market, they sent a new one.
i wasnt aware of this ,its handy to know, iv a victorinox handyman that came from a flea market stall, as new no box, unwanted gift so seller said, two stalls down i got the leather victorinox pouch, i have a victorinox mauser that still has its saw shield too
Great comparison vid but I'll stick with my Victorinox
Welcome back.
I knew the SAK would win. But hat off to you for an objective review.
Agree about durability of the SAK. Got mine in 84, still going very strong. Holds a brilliant edge. Strong. Takes abuse. A lot. Only thing that's gone wrong is that I broke the tip of the big blade being very stupid.
Let me guess...that lose screw was begging you to tighten it.
@@Alexanbreizh lol. Not quite. I was trying to lever a couple of things apart that decided to show me who was boss. The SAK was caught in the crossfire. Really annoyed me as it was a present from a very close friend.
@@kevgermany you could put a new point on it. the blade is shorter then, but the use is better in my experience. and it makes it kind of unique.
@@xavyps8277 Thanks, agree, but I'm keeping it as is to remind me not to be so stupid in future...
You can have the blade replaced by Victorinox and request they send you the broken blade back.
Great review! I hope that Swiza quality improves in the future. I love my Victorinox knives but they basically have a monopoly on high-quality SAKs and some serious competition would be a good thing to keep them on their toes and drive innovation.
From my experience:
Swiza advantages : better handle material (Victorinox cellidor is really cheap. It will be scratched or broke for nothing), inox liners (aluminium for Victorinox), better design.
Victorinox advantages: superior manufacturing quality, tools are generally more effective, finition is better.
👋🇧🇾✌️Bravo - Vix FOREVER!!! Thank's a lot, Felix 👍👍👍👍👍🤘.
Welcome back, Felix! Excellent comparison. You can call me a purist, or call me a snob, but I will choose Victorinox every time! You did a great job of proving why.
Thanks a lot for your feedback!!
Welcome back Felix. I wonder why people go to the gym when a Swiss knife comparison make you sweat like hell !
That is a real knife test and review . Tough I like the look of the Swiza I prefer the Victorinox, one is for your laptop backpack , the other for the outdoor/tactical rucksack.
Thanks again, merci, dance….
I believe even with the conclusions Felix has done a service to Swiza, they will get a lot of exposure and plenty of people will want one... especially those that have had more than one victorinox
I was cleaning my Spartan and decided to dunk the Swiza also into soapy water. After a 4 hour soak, the spacer between the awl and the liner on the Swiza shed it's chrome plating and is now rough and the awl grates open and shut. The spacers for Vics are SS. Also every time I close the awl on the Swiza it bites off the tip of the closed big blade. Vics have a barely perceptible curve on the blade to avoid exactly this!
Hopefully Swiza improve quickly more competition in the market is a good thing.
Thats true!
No one makes a Swiss Army knife better than Victorinox.
Felix, I appreciate the effort you put into these videos, especially this one! Your videos are always informative and interesting, and I think Victorinox should put you on the payroll!
Thank you so much for this wonderful compliment!
I missed you Felix!!! Welcome back!!!
Thank you so much Waldo!
Swiza is never going to replace my Saks. I had one, and the awl was very weak. Twisted with the first attempt going through a plastic handle on my garbage container.
I like how Felix is schvitzing with his strenuous testing.True professional
Short answer, NO. Simple 😁👍
You got that right!
Woooooo you’re back!!!! I’ve missed your videos!! I hope you had a fantastic break, and welcome back Felix
Bought my first Vic in Seattle at a army navy surplus store, while attending an arson class, per the instructions of the teacher. It was my most often used tool over 35 years. Still have it, the old style Hunter, scissors/saw/blades/ standard tool set.
Rockwell 57 is technically harder than Rockwell 56, but it’s not enough harder that you’re going to notice the difference when you use a pocket knife.
Great review, I learned a lot. I’ve been carrying Swiss Army knives for over 40 years on a daily basis, and not only do they take and keep a sharp edge, I can sharpen them to a razor edge with a pocket sharpener. A harder blade is not necessarily a better blade. I have a sheath knife that I can only sharpen in a reasonable time with a diamond hone. Buck knives used to make their blades very hard, and because they were harder to sharpen they started producing blades in a “normal” range of hardness (they used to show their blades cutting nails back then). I admire Swiza for trying new designs though.
What a test !! I was waiting for the sun to go down in your back window.
Haaaa ha haa! Thanks for your funny comment!
Enjoyable always to see your passion on Victorinox. In the last two weeks alone I have used my everyday multiple times including making a new handle for my scythe from a block of wood using the saw and the large blade, fitting a new broom handle whittling the end , repairing a broken thumb nail with the small blade, extracting a thorn with the tweezers, picking my teeth😬, removing corks from garden lights with regular corkscrew and reamer , putting nee batteries in sons toy with the can opener screwdriver part . And the knife remains as good as new! Bravo Victorinox!
I have a few of both. I'm glad Swiza exists and is doing something original personally. Don't forget they're run by some ex-Wenger staff so do have experience
Yeess Felix is back!
Haa haa, thanks a lot!
The SWIZA knifes are designed to be made on automatic machines and as such the quality has to be consistent. The locking main blade is clearly a key feature that is targeting a different customer base too , the "NON knife" folks, the "safeties " and all who want something hip ! We gives the basic model as business gifts here in US and men tell me that their wife , GF "confiscated" his SWIZA knife, the moment she saw it !! I am very impressed by the SWIZA knives and will continue to buy these as gift item !
I give the these young engineers and designers a lot of credit to launch this radical design and manufacturing concept, with Victorinox as THE competitor!
Welcome back my friend Felix! Good to see your smiling face again. Thanks for the comparison, some interesting differences, and surprising similarities I was not expecting.
Felix! Hope you and the family are well, my friend! Thank you for doing this comparison! And, welcome back!
A Felix Immler video on my birthday, after a month long lay-off makes for a wonderful present! Thanks kind sir!
The swiza knife should have been compared with the victorinox Spartan! Сomparison of the swiza knife and victorinox outrider is absolutely incorrect!
Great to see you back, Felix! I hope you had a great Summer with your family.
Thank you for a very good review. I'd seen Swiza knives mentioned elsewhere, but did not know anything about them. I appreciate your fair review.
I own about 42 Victorinox knives and 1 Swiza. lol From what I've experienced, it's clear that the Victorinox seems better designed for urban or outdoor settings, while the Swiza is more suitable for the home. Why? The Swiza's convenient locking button mechanism, the very large Tailor style scissors suitable for clothing, the bright colors and rubberized handles for comfort. I picture this in a kitchen drawer or tool box and used by the entire family, including children.
Definitely not...but the ruike knives...yep
Thanks for your feedback!
@@FelixImmler try the Ruike LD-42. Seems like a contender
@@maxlvledc That Ruike looks awfully like a Böker tech Tool?
@@janverzee9423 from what I understand the source is the same.
Looks like the Swiza needs to stop acting like a cheap Chinese knockoff! If the screwdriver in the Swiza doesn’t hold up any better than the SAK… holy crap! Did they temper it???
My other question… the rubberized products that I have used in the past deteriorate & become sticky. How well does the Swiza handles hold up?
You know what I find a problem with the SAKs? The large flat screwdriver blade is soft & twists WAY TOO EASY! 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Please do a video victorinox vs wenger
I'm happy that you're back!! This was an awesome comparison. I've never tried a Swiza knife, so I can't say anything bad about them. But I can say a heck of alot of good things about my Victorinox knives, and the Outrider is one of my favorites. Thanks for this great video, my friend!
Considering Swiza hasn't been in the business of making knives forever so the Swizas are decent for what they are. If they keep improving their designs over a few generations they will be really nice.
Also, Swizas offer a comb tool :D
They also offer some models with tick removers and magnifying glasses, which sadly is becoming more handy than it ought to these days here in Ontario.
I had a unbranded "Sheffield steel" pocket knife as a boy and then bought a Leatherman for work as a multi tool which has served me well.
I always wanted a Victorinox as a child but they were too expensive to justify.
After seeing how you use a Victorinox I've now regressed to my boyhood ambitions and went out and bought one.
I like my victorinox Soldatemnesser for EDC - thank you Felix
Victorinox should bring back the thumb hole option for all their 111mm main blades.
Also scale color choices. ie: blue , glow, orange, green.
I have a Swiza and more than 40 Victorinox knives and I can tell you that Victorinox is the best SAK. Swiza is still learning how to make knives whereas Victorinox has been on the market for a century and a half.
Hello Felix! Great video! It does my heart good to see you back in the saddle again! P. S. - like your new theme music...
Welcome back, hope you had a good break. This was another interesting video, thanks
Welcome back, Felix! Victorinox is the best!👍
Thank you so much my friend!
Hmmm. No mention of the aluminum vs stainless steel liners. Victorinox has aluminum liners; Swiza has stainless steel.
Hi Felix, great comparison, i would have bet on the victorinox at the beginning, glad i was right. regards Will.
I’m not sure how many Victorinox knives I have. Being Swiss, my first one was given to me for my 7th birthday and still have the scars that educated me. I’m almost 60 now and gave that same knife to my son when he was young. He still has the knife with it’s 2 lifetimes of scars from jump starting cars to chopping open cans. The stories that knife could tell. I still never go anywhere without a Swiss Army knife. They’re indispensable, last forever. The only crying will be if you lose your’s.
Thank you so much for your wonderful story!
Swiss make great products, these swiza knives are not good designs, hopefully they improve their designs and materials and become a genuine contender to victorinox, its a salhame victorinox got to take over wenger
How was your holiday? Welcome back. Vic all the way.
Great to see the happy Felix back, we can all use some of his positivity.
Swiza knives are pretty good,but Victorinox is better in my opinion
Not to question his integrity. But this dude is literally wearing a Victorinox tshirt, you guys
une chose que vous "oubliez" les "spyderhole" du swiza rende plus souple l'outil vu qu'il manque de la matière alors que le système victorinox non....! allez....encore 10 de plus....
Swiza has some interesting decisions, like the lock blade, the scissors design (although i'm not saying that it's good or better, consider that) and, if i'm not mistaken, steel separators. Victorinox is all right as always but competition is always a good thing.
WELCOME BACK'!! You were missed!!!!
Ruike knives are the only decent multitool knife, the rest is not worth your money due to snap-on celidor or polyamide scales or non-locking alox versions that are just instant fails design-wise.
Thanks for your interesting feedback!!!
@@FelixImmler I recommend you look into the Ruike LD-11 to LD-51 if you want to talk about a different-built SAK style multitool in one of your videos. Cheers!
Swiza looks like a chinesse copy of Victorinox))
Victorinox was my first pocket knife as a young boy and it is good to see that they maintain the higher standard.
Shows how much work Pete from Cedric and Ada puts in doing edge testing:)
Hard use is an important factor for me. Thanks for the honest comparison.
Thanks for watching!
Welcome back! Hope you and your family enjoyed your time off! Thanks again for another informative video!
Hallo Felix,
Danke Dir. Ich finde das Swiza zwar auch schlechter verarbeitet aber zwei Dinge gefielen mir: Das TickTool welches auch bei einem kleinen Messer eine Lupe hat und die Ausführung mit Olivenholzgriff. So ergänzt mein EDC ein Swiza TickTool mit Olivenholzgriff. Wenn hart auf hart kommt habe ich noch ein SwissTool im EDC ;o):
th-cam.com/video/fC0duzZ_pwA/w-d-xo.html
Ein SwissTool lässt sich übrigens gut in einem Etui in der Hosentasche tragen:
th-cam.com/video/doGL5PKWWbc/w-d-xo.html
Gruß Eric.
Ich habe auch beide Messer. Beim Swiza hat sich die Ahle nach zwei Einsätzen verabschiedet. Mein Outrider nutze ich seit zwei Jahren intensiv, sieht zwar nicht mehr aus wie neu, funktioniert aber noch wie am ersten Tag. Swiza hat ein frisches Design, aber funktionell ist anders.
Danke für das Video Felix, wie immer sehr informativ. …. noch schöner wäre eine zusätzliche deutschsprachige Ausgabe 😉
I don't see this as being a difficult choice - Victorinox
Thank you Felix for excellent review. Everything you mentioned here is correct.
I also want to share some personal experience of owning Swiza knives for 4 years.
I have two knives:
- one-layer red Swiza D01 with large blade, awl and corkscrew,
- three-layer khaki Swiza D05 with large blade, wood saw, awl, corkscrew, can and openers.
Swiza D01 is my EDC knife during 4 years, I use it a lot.
I have tested Swiza D05 at home but never actually used it because of bad ergonomia. The wood saw and openers are sharp and sticking out from handle.
I like the design of Swiza D01 knife, however the finishing and durability are not as good as Victorinox's.
Especially I disappointed with quality of Swiza scales. After one year the "white cross" push button which unlocks the blade has failed. I wrote an email to Swiza to claim the problem, but Swiza has not answered my email. So I made the replacement knob from the constitution glue. The DIY knob is rather ugly, but it's do the job.
The coating of the scales is erased with time. When the knife is unused and stored in the box for about a month the scales are sweating with oily substance. It's take couple of minutes for me to wash and wipe it.
Swiza takes a premium price for it's products. But the premium price is not on a par with low overall the qualify of the product and the customer service doesn't answering email.
Maby this is a call for victorinox designers to pay more atention to the competitors, i liked the hole instead of the nothc and also the older models of victorinox can have better ergonometry.
Super interesting feedback! Thanks a lot!
Das mit Abstand beste Video was ich zu den beiden Messern gefunden habe . Vielen Dank für den Vergleich, habe mich für das Victorinox entschieden👍.
Really interesting comparison Felix - great to see - and you worked very hard too! Keep up the great work 👍😀
Thank you for this very revealing video. I was thinking of buying a Swiza for a while now. But the poor build quality is a deal breaker for me in this price range.
You prevent me from a huge disappointment.
Thank you, again for yet another great video.
I have owned a swiza D03 olive fern for almost a year now and i'm very impressed with the quality. I have carved into oak and even hammered its blade into an oak log(don't ask me why) but it held up really nice, no blade play and the edge held a functional sharpness(not quite shaving sharp but there). I have also used the awl to drill holes too but i only spun in one direction and it did its job. If you spin it like you do with the Victorinox it breaks, because of its shape it creates additional torsion in the blade, it's not because of poorer quality of the steel. Of course it cannot be better than a knife that has been in development for so long, but it is still a very nice edc knife.
Also I may add that every tool is tight in its place and the spring tension is just right, not to tight so you'd have to fight with it but not too loose. Idk maybe there are some quality control issues, which is a great issue don't get me wrong...but they are newbies still compared to Victorinox😅😅😅.
My take after looking at the Swiza offerings on Amazon is that, while I like some of their features, Victorinox seems to offer more useful combination of tools. Perhaps that is because they've had more years of experience about what the public wants.
Thanks a lot for your interesting comment!
I gave away the Leatherman multi-tools every time I was given because they too hard on my "delicate" hands. Lol! And I was a career professional firefighter-paramedic!
Danke für de gueti verglich! Mir gfallts swiza eifach nöd so.. aber cools video! 👍
I would love to see you do a review of the Swiss Eagle Ranger Multi-Tool Pocket Knife with Compass and 30 Tools All in Your Pocket
here , this is about the same: th-cam.com/video/gXlNTFo0CiI/w-d-xo.html
Victorinox for me, thanks Felix.
Felix, I feel like you are the crazy-in-a-super-good-way friend everybody should have. Thanks for the videos!
I was expecting after the saw test: "Ten more!" :D
Great video, as usual! Thank you Felix Immler!
Thanks a lot for washing!