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@Brian Mallia The 705 S3s are notably better than the new 600M MKIIs --both subjectively and objectively. Admittedly neither speaker is "perfect" but you are buying a better, more accurate and solidly put together speaker in the B&W in direct comparison to the Klipsch. We don't have any current plans to review the new 8000F MKII in the short term, but maybe that will change, I don't know. As for the Jubilee, I'm on the fence about reviewing them given their size and logistics.
Hi Andrew I one of your new subscribers. Let's talk about bowers and Wilkins 705s3. Now am a huge fan of bowers and Wilkins speakers I got the old DM 601 S3 since 2004 they are good but when you said decisions compare to PMC speakers twenty 21i your nail it because I was confused at the time between those two company brand. So easy I go for bowers and Wilkins 705s3 I love the style and carbon dome tweeter. So thinking to get one near Christmas.
I'm a long time B&W fan as well, but their pricing has kept me from buying another set. I get that they want to remain an "elite level" speaker brand and thus, keep their prices high, but I don't believe that what they charge equally correlates to the differences in sound you get, i.e, Kristi's take on the Lumina II vs the 705. I would LOVE to have B&Ws in my house for listening, but they have priced ME out of their audience. I know there are lots of people that can afford them, I'm just not one of them. The 802s will always have a place on my bucket list, but it's the part of my bucket list that likely won't ever be fulfilled, lol. As always, thanks for all the work you both put into these reviews, I can't wait to hear about the 805s and the Marantz Cinema 50! Thanks again!
I'm with you. The price jump between the 600 series to the 700 doesn't make a ton of sense to me either. Really appreciate you hanging out with us today!
Jason I appreciate you sharing and for being so honest. I hear ya. I was hoping the new 600 Anniversary Series would've been the perfect "entry-level" B&W but it was a let down. Hopefully the next gen will be better because B&W used to make really good, approachable speakers too!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I appreciated your reviews of the 600 series. But I couldn’t pass up buying them for $500 a pair. For my first fancy speakers they work for me.
You two just keep getting better and better on the quality and content of your videos. Also, the blind test is great. Next time Andrew needs to sit on the hot chair as well. 🎉
"Those are some subjective thoughts but they are the correct ones." 🤣 Kristi is the best! Also the 705 grilles look like leftover grilles from the older 805 speakers from a couple generations but agree that the 705 grilles look crappy lol. I look forward to hearing the new 700 series Great review per usual!! 🎉
Your channel is like a sanctuary for for those of us who want the straight scoop on audio gear. The point/counterpoint format together with the chemistry that you have together never gets old!
I've said it before and I'll say it again - those dreamy, slow slides across the woofer or tweeter with a wide open aperture and creamy bokeh is straight up product shot pr0n. Some beautiful camera work Andrew.
I wish you guys would have compared the 705s2 to the 705s3s. I’m trying to decide what to get because the S2 line is going out at a good price, so what do you think help me out thanks great review
Good review, but I feel like like you missed out on arguably what would have been one of the more interesting comparisons and that is the B&W 705 S2 and/or the B&W 705 S2 Signature.
I have the 705 signatures in dastuk,and want to buy the 705s3. After a long session in the store and home,the s2 signatures is better for me.Better mid and better spreading of the sound.Very close call but for me not worth it to buy the s3,for me its a downgrade.
I love both of you guys, but I have a hilarious confession. I often go straight to Kristi’s take and then later return to hear the whole review. It’s not to devalue Andrew’s excellent insights, it just works for me. What a team!
As a 705 S2 owner, would be great to have comparison review between the S2 and S3, especially since the Frequency Response you have looks just about the same as what my 705 S2 measures at.
It's so strange you don't compare this thing to the obvious affined competitors: 705 S2 and 705 S2 Signature. The first one became much cheaper because of the S3 appearance, and the second one is slightly cheaper, is it worse ?
good video. You know the amazing thing... the B&W 705 cost what the 805 used to cost 15yrs ago. The 805s are just insane expensive. My buddy just bought a pair of the PRO-Ject bookshelfs... very nice. BUUUT I still think my Quad S2 sound better than the Pro-Ject, and I still think they are the speaker to beat in approx 1000/pr range.
I was surprised by the comparisons at the end- for me and my budget the B&W doesn’t hold enough cards to surpass something like the Lumina 2 given the reported minor differences sonically. I think the Lumina 2 is also better looking. Did you try the B&W’s with a modestly priced amp like the Audiolab?
Hi Andrew and kristi. When i first got into this hobby, i used to buy all the Hi Fi Magazines i could find. They were mainly from England and the U.S. Both magazines only reviewed speakers from their own country. In Australia speakers were very expensive to buy, especially the British ones. Basically you could only choose Goodmans, Wharfdale, Quad Electrostatic, B&W from England. AR, KLH, JBL and Bose from the US. Now that most British speakers are made in China, many of them have become more affordable . However,the quality of many of these speakers has diminished to when they were actually made in England, Just wondering, do you have any "Direct to Disc" records ?
The Delta........ Never written or spelled, it is a collegiate shorthand symbol represented by a triangle. I would define it roughly as the comparable difference between two things subjected to similar criteria. Meh, just amusing myself.
Ok my question is. How does the 705S3 compare vs a pair of 805D3...considering the second hand market this makes it a very interesting question. Diamond tweeter in the 805d3 vs the new midrange from the 8..D4 series . Andrew are you able to chime in on this? I've been looking for a pair of 804D3s but now not sure if the 703s3 might he the better choice? Thank you
Andrew and Kristi, I so enjoy your reviews and always look forward to them. I was wondering about Andrew’s commitment regarding “low volume listening” on the 705 S3 speakers. I have the 705 Signature speakers powered by a Naim Uniti Star and feel the speakers are lacking unless I turn them up to levels that make my wife want to leave the room (which is really not that loud). On paper my speakers and yours appear to be nearly identical. I am wondering if the newer version is that much better/efficient or if I still need more power for low level listening.
thank you for noticing. I worked on those for about a week to make them easier to read/understand for those who (like me) may want to see it but don't want to obsess over it.
Great review. I currently own the 705s2 with dedicated B&W stands and the HTM71s2 center channel. I am looking to upgrade to the 702s3 with new matching center. So… I guess I am curious if you will be testing the 702s2 vs. 702s3, would love to hear how you would compare them.
I heard these at a local shop recently. I do agree that the midrange on them is very nice, but treble was way too fatiguing for me. This was on solid state gear, so maybe they need tubes. I actually disagree about soundstage. What I heard was huge.
I'm on vacation so I was able too see this video during the day. LOVED Kristi's "Let's move on" comment. Too funny. On the serious note. Was a subwoofer used in this review? The comparisons gave all of us a sense of how competitive the Bookshelf speaker market has become. Have a great day Andrew and Kristi....... Let's go 300K subs.
Hi Brian! Yes, we tried the speakers with our SVS (bit.ly/3xnMlrE) and these blend very easily however, the commentary in the review is more reflective of the speaker by itself. Yeah for vacations!!
Try that denon a110 with polks r700 that's sounds well :) must try i wanna know what you think about this matching. I big fan od your video's very help full :)
Soft dome tweeters are not always softer around the edges. The Polk RTi A9s are right in your face and hardly soft around the edges. I have several aluminum dome tweeter which are much smoother and more accurate.
I'm so undecided... so many great speaker reviews i just can't make up my mind. split between these and the focal k2 floor standing speakers. please help.
I love my Bowers and Wilkins 702 S2. I upgraded from the definitive technology bp9040. My reciever is a Yamaha A2080. I can't wait to complete with the center and rear channels and also adding the DBS4 subwoofer. Keep up the great reviews. They are very informative, thank you
Snag a mint pair of vintage B&W Matrix 805s and you will never need to upgrade. Exceptional detail and imaging and sonically more neutral and linear than current models.
I recently bought the B&W 702 S2 Signatures and thought they needed a little 'something' to bring the best out of them. After seeing Andrew's review of them, I bought a Musical fidelity M6 PRX and "hey presto"! They were the speakers I always hoped they were. Thank you, Mr Robinson (no relation) :)
I REALLY enjoyed the fact that you guys did blind listening tests! I think the pricing is wild, I have a spreadsheet with 3 way centers and when I made it originally 1 year ago you could get the HTM71 S2 for $1500 before the price hike to $2000 and the HTM71 S3 is $2500. Really makes me sad because the S2 was stretching my budget but the S3 is firmly outside of it once you consider I'd want 5 speakers (705, 704, htm71). Also I still miss the specs being visually shown, don't think I've forgot haha. Also gloss black is 🤢for me personally where's my black oak veneer!
Hi Andrew, I've been following many of your video here. I just get Denon's PMA A110. Now I have an issue: My B&W 685 s2 are not "good enough". Which one should I go under US2,500 (pair)? it must be floor standing or can I continue with bookshelf ones that gives the same sound experience (and ambience?) thank you in advance.
Great review, I kind of wish you would of reviewed the 706 S3 instead and compare it to the 606 anniversary's. Wondering if there is a big difference in the treble between those two.
Coming to this late but with all the discussion of cheaper alternatives I am surprised there’s no mention of the 706. There are very few reviews of the 706 s3 but the few I have read say it’s sonically very close to the 705 - with slightly more sparkle on the top end. Which is what you would expect from an almost identical cabinet and mid/bass driver - the difference being the tweeter on top (which btw is still ‘decoupled’ it’s just that it’s not ‘on top’ in the 706 version). So isn’t the 706 the ‘budget’ alternative to the 705?
Great video Andrew, I Have question I have upgrade bug again my current setup budget rig consist of Audiolab 6000A and B & W 685 S2 in ebony finish. My friend also upgrading his system to B & W 805 D4 offer his 705 S3 $C2500.00 here in Canada retails for $C4500.00 plus 13% taxes in Moca finish you think would good match or need to upgrade my Intergated amp.
Going by the comments at the end of the video, that’s the whole idea of blind testing. In my opinion is you trying to catch the people out that are doing the blind testing if you throw them a curveball and they really don’t know what they’re listening to and you’ve confused them and now they’re not sure which is which must throw a bit of a spanner in the works as in two more why one piece of equipment Cost a lot more than another. I must admit I do like the piano black Bowers and Wilkins on speaker they look awesome. Never as long as I draw breath will be able to afford a bear but great video as always. I’m more excited about the top spec techniques amplifier using I would love one of those
Found your channel watching the Klipsch 8000F tower review- I watch a lot of tech reviews with nice production but yours is a step up. What microphone are you using? It’s the best I’ve heard!
Be careful when buying B&W speakers, they are maybe (certainly) great speakers but their after sale service is worthy a lowcost brand. I need a tweeter for my 705S3 since November 3rd and still waiting for B&W to deliver it...
Would these be a substantial upgrade from CM6 s2 ? I was thinking of upgrading although I wouldn’t want a bright top end or brighter I should say. Thanks for the review 👍
Just purchased these and will let you know how I like them. I will be comparing them to paradigm founders 100 series. Love love love the paradigms but i am moving from a house into a smaller home and the floor standing speakers will be just too massive for the new space.
You could really tell you had enthusiasm over these speakers. It made for a fun review. I would love to hear them. But, not a big fan way of the way they look.
Thank you both for this surprise review! Can't wait to see your 805 D4 review. Loved the D3 already. But tough competition at its price point (from Dynaudio, ProAc, etc.) Cheers from France!
The price point of the 805s is very interesting there are many great speakers worth considering. Andrew should do a huge group test here's a list 1. KEF reference 1 meta 2. ATC Scm20 3. Proarc Response d2r 4. Sonus Faber olympica nova 1 5. Bw 805 d4 6 Dynaudio contour 20i 7. DALI EPICON 2 8. Spendor classic 2/3 9. Harbeth c7es-3 xd 10. HECO belladonna 11. Canton Reference 9k 12 Audiovector Arette 13 Gold note a3 evo 14 wharfedale elysian 2 15. Audio Physic spark 16 Fyne Audio f701 or f1-8 Probably some others that I forgot
@@KristiWright great info Kristy. And I do agree with your comments on the tweeter on top, but I think you grow into liking them after you get used to the look. Also, the tweeter on top allows a little more open sound.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews good to know. I think the KEF's probably have the best well made cabinet for most bookshelf speakers. I just wish they had more bass, If KEF could increase the driver size by 1in I think they would be perfect.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Seeing all the fall colors change in the High Sierra Nevada Desert is awesome! Especially sitting on the back patio listening to music!!!!!!!!!!
Hi guys, I just pick up a pair of 705 S2 for $2635. Today I’m waiting for a Hegel 190, to pair with these beautiful speakers. I want to thank you for reviewing the B&WS3. The 190Hegel I was also able to get a great price from Hegel for $3200. They just drop the price this month $1100 on that amplifier. Andrew, I just had a chance to finish up watching the whole review. I’d like to tell you I am a huge fan and like you of B&W since 1986. I bought my first pair of DM sevens , that same year I also picked up a pair of metric ones. I still have both sets of speakers along with my Nakamichi equipment. Thanks to the both of you again for such a great review.
Thanks guys for your reply B&W Speakers in general have always been close to the heart. You guys are so good together in your reviews you make it a lot of fun. Thanks.
@@KristiWright They are. I have two pairs of Matrix 802's that I may test the market on. The 702's may have potential. The 704's thought....how would they stack up to Lumina V's? hmmmmmmmmm
I did an in-home audition of the B&W 607 S2 and was appalled by the harsh highs and recessed mids. Glad to hear that these issues are one-off and only apply to the 600 series.
The Duos have more bass extension and are slightly less refined up top, BUT I believe you have tone controls in the B&W App so you could fix some of their issues (if you find them to be issues). The 705 S3s are as described in this video.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Thanks for the reply. I brought a pair of duo’s off the back of your review and couldn’t be happier with them. I was just curious how these compared.
This was awesome to watch, nice work Andrew and Kristi. Just a thought. Is it possible that your new listening room is more ‘forgiving’ of brighter or more energetic speakers than your previous space, and that’s part of the reason you really liked these? Either way, I’m glad you did.
You could make that argument. This room measures differently as all rooms will. That said, I don't believe "forgiving" is the right word. More balanced? Yes. The issue in our old space contrary to most people's assumptions was never brightness. The old room was bass loading - something I was aware of and took into account in all of our reviews. I am confident in saying the room was NOT the issue with the 600 series. We didn't like it in our old home and we didn't like it here in the new space. It has a smile like curve to its response no matter what room you put it in.
I actually like the 704 s2 speakers. They are slim towers that take up less area space than most bookshelves with stands. I compared them to the 705s2 and immediately heard a huge difference between the towers. I could only detect a slight difference when going from the 704s2 to 702s2. But the size and WAF factor are what I liked the best. The big question is What's the difference between s2 vs s3 because you can get a massive discount on the s2 models right now.
@@grindingpancake I did a AB test more than a year ago in BestBuy store. To my untrained ear, yes, the 704 has better, punchier base; and the separated tweeter housing didn't show noticeable difference. I also compared with KEF R3 that day. Both B&W sounded more 3D than the KEF.
As always, a great review. I don't think these are for me because I have a small space and therefore like powered speakers, and, as unreasonable as it may be, I HATE the look of these. Great video!
Do you think I need a center speaker with the 705 S3? I mainly watch TV and listen to music. I have an SVS 3000 SB. I would like to upgrade my Klipsch and I think B&W would fit my needs. Thank you for your feedback.
I went to hear them with my wife 2days ago. Only ones I listened before were castle Tay and knight 20yrs ago. And in my heart they are still there. BW were nice but didn't move me like the ones i mentioned.
Hey Kristi & Andrew, thanks as always for your great review. Just wanted to let you guys know that I received the Speaker Box 5 S2 today, which I traded for my B&W 606 S2‘s based in your reviews. Best choice ever! Got them for 500€‘s over here in Europe. Thank you guys so much!!
I couldn’t agree more on the grills. They look cheap and could have done better. Also I would want the speakers to show their logo up front especially when you pay that kind of money for them.
@@typeonegsr And look like the new Mission 700s? If a company wants to advertise in my listening room (or on my chest for that matter) I think they should pay me 😂!
Hi Andrew & Kristi I'm from Belgium and a real HiFi enthusiast for years these B&W will certainly be great speakers but not for my bugget. So now a question for you I recently bought the Marantz PM7000N and want to add column speakers and the Monitor Audio Silver 200 6g are now in the local store in promotion from 1500€ to 1000€ will this be a good match? Greetings John.
Whaaaaat just happened?! Robinson familly, what the hell? :D I was expecting 805 :D. Btw. I still love my previous CM6 S2, I miss them so much. Let's find out how they improved 705 s3. *smashing play button*
@Andrew Robinson - my audio brother. That review... It wowed me a lot. Your approach is at another level. I feel your message, Bowers and Wilkins will feel it too. I hope you all (Robinsons&BowersWilkins ;)) will enjoy many following reviews together. Because you and Kristi are the best on YT/audio and B&W produces one of the greatest, and refinement products on the market. That is much bigger than one 600-whatever speaker. Nobody cares about them. One technical thing - I had CM6 s2 which is pre-previous to 705 s2. I got them without org. stands. They were great. After a while, I purchased B&W stands (for your speakers: FS-700 S3). Unexpectedly, they made a substantial sonic difference and this is why: The stands have a dedicated space for ballast to increase the weight of the whole column (speaker+stand). You can fill them with sand, but it will not change much. You need to use heavier material. I used micro lead balls. My single CM6 s2 with filled stand weighed more than CM9 s2, I got 27 kg/ 61 lbs. What has changed? The sound was crispy and clear. The Bass became super punchy. The midrange was better, more realistic, and better tone + smack-effect. I got +15% better speakers after upgrading the stands, which is a lot. I don't use bookshelf column for years, but I will never get rid of that balast. A weght improves the stiffness and gives loudspeakers better control in the column. No questions about that. Worht of trying, youll _not_ regred. You can blind test it.
I have owned cm6S2 for 5 over yrs now & still amazed at what they do sometimes. I compared them to the 805D3 at the time in the showroom & was surprised how close they both sounded. Went in with intention to buy 805D3 but came back home with cm6S2. Paired with a REL T7i, the cm6s2 are a total blast. Never felt the need to upgrade to anything else.
Hi Andrew and Kristi, first of all I really like your work : each video is a pleasure ! I've just heard this speaker with my amplifier (Marantz 40n) at my dealer and I'm really impressed : it sounds great, clear, accurate, spacious whatever the style of music. Even at low volume ! I'm saving money to buy it beaucause it's simply and perfectly the sound I want. Best regards from France !
Seriously, putting a B&W at the end of a Denon or Technics amp? you're in for a touch of sibilance, edged in the highs. A good starting point for these would be a Naim Supernait 3, or a Cambridge Edge Integrated minimum. You need serious current and very well built power transformer to get these to sing. I have been using these on a Naim 200 DR/202 Pre for a month now. Also tried them on the new Rega Elicit amp. Compared with the B&W PM1, it's just night and day, B&W house sound changed dramatically between the two speakers, these do rocks, providing again you get proper amplification for them. Trust me, that very last bass notes and bit of extension you mentioned lacking, is definitely there
Oh how the other half live. My room alone would be a problem, 10 × 12, imagine 2 feet from the wall lol. I do posess B&W but the 607 s2 sa. I just love B&W styling & their sound quality. I can still dream.
If anyone still watches this channel, I would like your opinions, the opinion of the author is also welcome. I think Andrew Robinson is the only one who rated the sound great for listening at low volume, everything else says they are not ok for listening at low volume. I'm really on the verge of buying these 705 S3, I don't have the possibility of a test, but listening at low volume is important to me, because I can't always disturb the neighbors 🙂 What is your opinion and of course, thanks in advance. PS: Is the quality of listening at low volume highly dependent on the power of the amplifier? What should be the minimum power of the amplifier for 705 S3? What the manufacturers write i.e. 15-30W, seems to me to be more marketing so that they can sell more...
I've got to say every time I see you another B&W bookshelf speakers i just wanna sell my speakers and go bankrupt... 😆 You really got me when you said Kristi fell asleep 😴 😆 That's another great review in the hole.. I was not expecting these speakers...
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Oh I know that... I just find a great B&W was probably biting their fingernails hoping you would give them a good review.. I will say they are some pretty looking speakers and they would look beautiful with the rose amplifier.. OKOK I'm sorry I just love that amplifier Sue me.. If you ever have another contest giving that away and somebody else wins it I might have to hunt them down....🤣
You had very high reviews of the Formation Duo, which I now own. They are growing on me. Apple and B&W have not dedicated enough time to get this all right. My Formation Wedge and my iPad do not talk well with one another. I like to play music as I fall asleep on the Wedge from my iPad as I fall asleep but I wake up to silence and look at my iPad and the song is paused five to seven songs in so communication is lost.
I have an old pair of B&W CDM1NT’s currently driven by an AXR-85. I don’t feel like I’m getting the most out of them and I’m wondering if my amp choice to blame. Anyone have CDM1NT’s? What are you using to drive them?
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@Brian Mallia The 705 S3s are notably better than the new 600M MKIIs --both subjectively and objectively. Admittedly neither speaker is "perfect" but you are buying a better, more accurate and solidly put together speaker in the B&W in direct comparison to the Klipsch. We don't have any current plans to review the new 8000F MKII in the short term, but maybe that will change, I don't know. As for the Jubilee, I'm on the fence about reviewing them given their size and logistics.
Hi Andrew I one of your new subscribers. Let's talk about bowers and Wilkins 705s3. Now am a huge fan of bowers and Wilkins speakers I got the old DM 601 S3 since 2004 they are good but when you said decisions compare to PMC speakers twenty 21i your nail it because I was confused at the time between those two company brand. So easy I go for bowers and Wilkins 705s3 I love the style and carbon dome tweeter. So thinking to get one near Christmas.
Urgh you paired it with a $7,000 AUD Amp 😨😭 I was hoping it was $3,500 or less. The Marantz is $3,700.
I'm a long time B&W fan as well, but their pricing has kept me from buying another set. I get that they want to remain an "elite level" speaker brand and thus, keep their prices high, but I don't believe that what they charge equally correlates to the differences in sound you get, i.e, Kristi's take on the Lumina II vs the 705. I would LOVE to have B&Ws in my house for listening, but they have priced ME out of their audience. I know there are lots of people that can afford them, I'm just not one of them. The 802s will always have a place on my bucket list, but it's the part of my bucket list that likely won't ever be fulfilled, lol. As always, thanks for all the work you both put into these reviews, I can't wait to hear about the 805s and the Marantz Cinema 50! Thanks again!
I'm with you. The price jump between the 600 series to the 700 doesn't make a ton of sense to me either. Really appreciate you hanging out with us today!
Jason I appreciate you sharing and for being so honest. I hear ya. I was hoping the new 600 Anniversary Series would've been the perfect "entry-level" B&W but it was a let down. Hopefully the next gen will be better because B&W used to make really good, approachable speakers too!
606 are still amazing😜✌️😉
@@andrewrobinsonreviews I appreciated your reviews of the 600 series. But I couldn’t pass up buying them for $500 a pair. For my first fancy speakers they work for me.
🤗 I ACTUALLY AM BLESSED TO HAVE A PAIR OF 802 D2s and I will just have to save for a pair of the 705 S3s for my rears …which may take years 😁🤗💚💚💚
Really enjoyed this episode, Kristi's insights and impression on the blind testing are really appreciated, and she described it really well!
Thanks for watching through to the end!
You two just keep getting better and better on the quality and content of your videos. Also, the blind test is great. Next time Andrew needs to sit on the hot chair as well. 🎉
"Those are some subjective thoughts but they are the correct ones." 🤣 Kristi is the best!
Also the 705 grilles look like leftover grilles from the older 805 speakers from a couple generations but agree that the 705 grilles look crappy lol. I look forward to hearing the new 700 series
Great review per usual!! 🎉
Your channel is like a sanctuary for for those of us who want the straight scoop on audio gear. The point/counterpoint format together with the chemistry that you have together never gets old!
Sometimes I just want to watch a relaxing ass well made video, and I just replay some of the reviews for good vibes
I've said it before and I'll say it again - those dreamy, slow slides across the woofer or tweeter with a wide open aperture and creamy bokeh is straight up product shot pr0n. Some beautiful camera work Andrew.
Funny, I hadn't even noticed it - I guess that happens when you like what you see😄
I wish you guys would have compared the 705s2 to the 705s3s. I’m trying to decide what to get because the S2 line is going out at a good price, so what do you think help me out thanks great review
Good review, but I feel like like you missed out on arguably what would have been one of the more interesting comparisons and that is the B&W 705 S2 and/or the B&W 705 S2 Signature.
Great review. Have been enjoying my 703 s2 for a couple of years and now a upgrade. Be nice to see some s2 vs s3 comparisons in the 700 series.
Comin’ in from outer space! Shmoly Cannoli! I need to savour the anticipation of watching this one! ❤🍾
I have the 705 signatures in dastuk,and want to buy the 705s3.
After a long session in the store and home,the s2 signatures is better for me.Better mid and better spreading of the sound.Very close call but for me not worth it to buy the s3,for me its a downgrade.
I love both of you guys, but I have a hilarious confession. I often go straight to Kristi’s take and then later return to hear the whole review. It’s not to devalue Andrew’s excellent insights, it just works for me. What a team!
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As a 705 S2 owner, would be great to have comparison review between the S2 and S3, especially since the Frequency Response you have looks just about the same as what my 705 S2 measures at.
Unfortunately, we've only heard that speaker in store and have not measured it.
I agree. I would like to see this as well
I'm curious between the 705 s2 Signature and the 705 s3. They say they sound very alike because of the improved filter of the Signatures.
Having the 705 s2 as surrounds it be no reason at all to upgrade to the 705 s3 very much satisfied with the 705 s2
Would it be worth upgrading from the s2 to s3 for the longer haul?
It's so strange you don't compare this thing to the obvious affined competitors: 705 S2 and 705 S2 Signature. The first one became much cheaper because of the S3 appearance, and the second one is slightly cheaper, is it worse ?
Very elegant speakers
Keep watching! Thanks for tuning in!
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good video. You know the amazing thing... the B&W 705 cost what the 805 used to cost 15yrs ago. The 805s are just insane expensive. My buddy just bought a pair of the PRO-Ject bookshelfs... very nice. BUUUT I still think my Quad S2 sound better than the Pro-Ject, and I still think they are the speaker to beat in approx 1000/pr range.
I'm desperate to watch the Marantz cinema Review 😮
Stay tuned then! Thanks for tuning in for this review!
Totally wasn’t expecting this review. Bravo. Can’t wait til the 805 D4 comparison!
That tweeter grill is very Jewish. That’s not a bad thing, just noticed that’s all.
Can't wait for the cinema 50 review...😁
Do they sound better than the Monitor Audio Silver 100 7G?? Thank you!!
I was surprised by the comparisons at the end- for me and my budget the B&W doesn’t hold enough cards to surpass something like the Lumina 2 given the reported minor differences sonically. I think the Lumina 2 is also better looking. Did you try the B&W’s with a modestly priced amp like the Audiolab?
Haha, Kristi doesn't hold back....always a nice contrast to watch.
After the VERY positive review of these.......I'm curious to know if you two prefer 705 S3 over the Formation Duo??? Please and thanks.
Hi Andrew and kristi. When i first got into this hobby, i used to buy all the Hi Fi Magazines i could find. They were mainly from England and the U.S. Both magazines only reviewed speakers from their own country. In Australia speakers were very expensive to buy, especially the British ones. Basically you could only choose Goodmans, Wharfdale, Quad Electrostatic, B&W from England. AR, KLH, JBL and Bose from the US. Now that most British speakers are made in China, many of them have become more affordable .
However,the quality of many of these speakers has diminished to when they were actually made in England, Just wondering, do you have any "Direct to Disc" records ?
The Delta........
Never written or spelled, it is a collegiate shorthand symbol represented by a triangle. I would define it roughly as the comparable difference between two things subjected to similar criteria.
Meh, just amusing myself.
Ok my question is. How does the 705S3 compare vs a pair of 805D3...considering the second hand market this makes it a very interesting question. Diamond tweeter in the 805d3 vs the new midrange from the 8..D4 series .
Andrew are you able to chime in on this?
I've been looking for a pair of 804D3s but now not sure if the 703s3 might he the better choice?
Thank you
Curious which way did you go? I'm in the same boat - 705S3 vs used 805D3
Way beyond my price bracket, but a boy can dream….
Andrew and Kristi, I so enjoy your reviews and always look forward to them. I was wondering about Andrew’s commitment regarding “low volume listening” on the 705 S3 speakers. I have the 705 Signature speakers powered by a Naim Uniti Star and feel the speakers are lacking unless I turn them up to levels that make my wife want to leave the room (which is really not that loud). On paper my speakers and yours appear to be nearly identical. I am wondering if the newer version is that much better/efficient or if I still need more power for low level listening.
I love the new frequency graphs!
thank you for noticing. I worked on those for about a week to make them easier to read/understand for those who (like me) may want to see it but don't want to obsess over it.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews It's perfect and unique to your channel. Props on the innovation.
Great review. I currently own the 705s2 with dedicated B&W stands and the HTM71s2 center channel. I am looking to upgrade to the 702s3 with new matching center. So… I guess I am curious if you will be testing the 702s2 vs. 702s3, would love to hear how you would compare them.
I heard these at a local shop recently. I do agree that the midrange on them is very nice, but treble was way too fatiguing for me. This was on solid state gear, so maybe they need tubes. I actually disagree about soundstage. What I heard was huge.
I would really like to know how you would compare midrange and treble of 705 s3 to 702 signatures?
I'm on vacation so I was able too see this video during the day. LOVED Kristi's "Let's move on" comment. Too funny. On the serious note. Was a subwoofer used in this review? The comparisons gave all of us a sense of how competitive the Bookshelf speaker market has become. Have a great day Andrew and Kristi....... Let's go 300K subs.
Hi Brian! Yes, we tried the speakers with our SVS (bit.ly/3xnMlrE) and these blend very easily however, the commentary in the review is more reflective of the speaker by itself.
Yeah for vacations!!
Try that denon a110 with polks r700 that's sounds well :) must try i wanna know what you think about this matching. I big fan od your video's very help full :)
Soft dome tweeters are not always softer around the edges. The Polk RTi A9s are right in your face and hardly soft around the edges. I have several aluminum dome tweeter which are much smoother and more accurate.
Another great episode Andrew, when we can expect 805 d4, will it be this month or :) ?
Within the next two to three weeks.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Great i have high hopes for them since i need to buy speakers before christmas eve to listen to music.
I'm so undecided... so many great speaker reviews i just can't make up my mind. split between these and the focal k2 floor standing speakers. please help.
Love the wife's input, great feature 👍
It's what we do. Thanks for watching!
I love my Bowers and Wilkins 702 S2.
I upgraded from the definitive technology bp9040.
My reciever is a Yamaha A2080.
I can't wait to complete with the center and rear channels and also adding the DBS4 subwoofer.
Keep up the great reviews.
They are very informative, thank you
Thank you !!! Awesome video Can't wait for 805 D4 review! Question do you know if there is a big difference between 805 D3 vs D4 👋
Snag a mint pair of vintage B&W Matrix 805s and you will never need to upgrade. Exceptional detail and imaging and sonically more neutral and linear than current models.
I recently bought the B&W 702 S2 Signatures and thought they needed a little 'something' to bring the best out of them. After seeing Andrew's review of them, I bought a Musical fidelity M6 PRX and "hey presto"! They were the speakers I always hoped they were. Thank you, Mr Robinson (no relation) :)
🎉🎉
I’m with Andrew on the grill part
Thank you!
I REALLY enjoyed the fact that you guys did blind listening tests! I think the pricing is wild, I have a spreadsheet with 3 way centers and when I made it originally 1 year ago you could get the HTM71 S2 for $1500 before the price hike to $2000 and the HTM71 S3 is $2500. Really makes me sad because the S2 was stretching my budget but the S3 is firmly outside of it once you consider I'd want 5 speakers (705, 704, htm71). Also I still miss the specs being visually shown, don't think I've forgot haha. Also gloss black is 🤢for me personally where's my black oak veneer!
Hi Andrew, I've been following many of your video here. I just get Denon's PMA A110. Now I have an issue: My B&W 685 s2 are not "good enough". Which one should I go under US2,500 (pair)? it must be floor standing or can I continue with bookshelf ones that gives the same sound experience (and ambience?) thank you in advance.
So, I have the CM10s. Series 2 did not improve enough for me to switch. Any opinions on series 3 vs series 2 or the CM10s?
Great review, I kind of wish you would of reviewed the 706 S3 instead and compare it to the 606 anniversary's. Wondering if there is a big difference in the treble between those two.
I’d hope there’s a difference. The 606/607 were terrible.
Coming to this late but with all the discussion of cheaper alternatives I am surprised there’s no mention of the 706. There are very few reviews of the 706 s3 but the few I have read say it’s sonically very close to the 705 - with slightly more sparkle on the top end. Which is what you would expect from an almost identical cabinet and mid/bass driver - the difference being the tweeter on top (which btw is still ‘decoupled’ it’s just that it’s not ‘on top’ in the 706 version). So isn’t the 706 the ‘budget’ alternative to the 705?
Great video Andrew, I Have question I have upgrade bug again my current setup budget rig consist of Audiolab 6000A and B & W 685 S2 in ebony finish. My friend also upgrading his system to B & W 805 D4 offer his 705 S3 $C2500.00 here in Canada retails for $C4500.00 plus 13% taxes in Moca finish you think would good match or need to upgrade my Intergated amp.
Are we gonna see the Denon A110 review soon?
Great review.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Going by the comments at the end of the video, that’s the whole idea of blind testing. In my opinion is you trying to catch the people out that are doing the blind testing if you throw them a curveball and they really don’t know what they’re listening to and you’ve confused them and now they’re not sure which is which must throw a bit of a spanner in the works as in two more why one piece of equipment Cost a lot more than another. I must admit I do like the piano black Bowers and Wilkins on speaker they look awesome. Never as long as I draw breath will be able to afford a bear but great video as always. I’m more excited about the top spec techniques amplifier using I would love one of those
Blind testing can be fun and educational for sure!
Found your channel watching the Klipsch 8000F tower review- I watch a lot of tech reviews with nice production but yours is a step up. What microphone are you using? It’s the best I’ve heard!
Hi Daniel McGuigan, Thanks for tuning in! You'll find that information here bit.ly/ARFilmKit
Be careful when buying B&W speakers, they are maybe (certainly) great speakers but their after sale service is worthy a lowcost brand.
I need a tweeter for my 705S3 since November 3rd and still waiting for B&W to deliver it...
Would these be a substantial upgrade from CM6 s2 ? I was thinking of upgrading although I wouldn’t want a bright top end or brighter I should say. Thanks for the review 👍
Just purchased these and will let you know how I like them. I will be comparing them to paradigm founders 100 series. Love love love the paradigms but i am moving from a house into a smaller home and the floor standing speakers will be just too massive for the new space.
Did Kristi say anything about listening to TV with 702 S3? Listening fatigue? Intelligibility?
You could really tell you had enthusiasm over these speakers. It made for a fun review. I would love to hear them. But, not a big fan way of the way they look.
Enthusiasm and relief! Appreciate you tuning in!
I’m torn between kef Mets and BandW 700 series for my upgrade from the Klipsch rf7iiis
Thank you both for this surprise review! Can't wait to see your 805 D4 review. Loved the D3 already. But tough competition at its price point (from Dynaudio, ProAc, etc.)
Cheers from France!
Thanks for watching. Stay tuned for the D4 review.
Merci!
The price point of the 805s is very interesting there are many great speakers worth considering.
Andrew should do a huge group test here's a list
1. KEF reference 1 meta
2. ATC Scm20
3. Proarc Response d2r
4. Sonus Faber olympica nova 1
5. Bw 805 d4
6 Dynaudio contour 20i
7. DALI EPICON 2
8. Spendor classic 2/3
9. Harbeth c7es-3 xd
10. HECO belladonna
11. Canton Reference 9k
12 Audiovector Arette
13 Gold note a3 evo
14 wharfedale elysian 2
15. Audio Physic spark
16 Fyne Audio f701 or f1-8
Probably some others that I forgot
Great review. How do the 705s compare to the KEF LS50's meta?
I prefer the 705 S3, but they costs twice as much so take that into consideration.
@@KristiWright great info Kristy. And I do agree with your comments on the tweeter on top, but I think you grow into liking them after you get used to the look. Also, the tweeter on top allows a little more open sound.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews good to know. I think the KEF's probably have the best well made cabinet for most bookshelf speakers. I just wish they had more bass, If KEF could increase the driver size by 1in I think they would be perfect.
Thanks for the review! Nice tease for the 805 review, looking forward to that one.
705 S2 are great sounding speakers. With the new S3 line I do wonder if the 702 S2 Signature is better than the 702 S3.
Thank you for this review. B & W are an amazing brand. Again, the Brits take centre stage!
Excellent review. Happy Fall guys!
Same to you!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Seeing all the fall colors change in the High Sierra Nevada Desert is awesome! Especially sitting on the back patio listening to music!!!!!!!!!!
Hi guys, I just pick up a pair of 705 S2 for $2635. Today I’m waiting for a Hegel 190, to pair with these beautiful speakers. I want to thank you for reviewing the B&WS3. The 190Hegel I was also able to get a great price from Hegel for $3200. They just drop the price this month $1100 on that amplifier. Andrew, I just had a chance to finish up watching the whole review. I’d like to tell you I am a huge fan and like you of B&W since 1986. I bought my first pair of DM sevens , that same year I also picked up a pair of metric ones. I still have both sets of speakers along with my Nakamichi equipment. Thanks to the both of you again for such a great review.
I saw that Hegel was on sale this week. Enjoy your new setup!
Thanks guys for your reply B&W Speakers in general have always been close to the heart. You guys are so good together in your reviews you make it a lot of fun. Thanks.
Blind testing is awesome! Only way to test.
First review that I’ve seen! Would love to hear more on the entire series.
Seeing how we came out of pocket for this one, we're going to need to pace ourselves. But THANK YOU for watching!!!
The towers are ex-pens-ive!! (bit.ly/3CCpsoE wowsa)
@@KristiWright They are. I have two pairs of Matrix 802's that I may test the market on. The 702's may have potential. The 704's thought....how would they stack up to Lumina V's? hmmmmmmmmm
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Your money may mean a hole in my wallet. Much appreciated!
I did an in-home audition of the B&W 607 S2 and was appalled by the harsh highs and recessed mids. Glad to hear that these issues are one-off and only apply to the 600 series.
100% different speakers (thankfully 😃)
I have Denon PMA-A110.Its a great amp.Are you gonna review it?
yes
Another great review thanks. How would you say these compare to the bowers & Wilkins formation duo’s I know you revived them a few years back.
The Duos have more bass extension and are slightly less refined up top, BUT I believe you have tone controls in the B&W App so you could fix some of their issues (if you find them to be issues). The 705 S3s are as described in this video.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews
Thanks for the reply. I brought a pair of duo’s off the back of your review and couldn’t be happier with them. I was just curious how these compared.
What a wonderful feeling to be “hoping” but expecting a let down, only to be blown away! Nice review as always! Keep it up!
Thanks!
@@andrewrobinsonreviews just thinking, I bet that warmer Denon was an awesome pairing!!
@@lfazio9690 Pure magic!
This was awesome to watch, nice work Andrew and Kristi.
Just a thought. Is it possible that your new listening room is more ‘forgiving’ of brighter or more energetic speakers than your previous space, and that’s part of the reason you really liked these? Either way, I’m glad you did.
You could make that argument. This room measures differently as all rooms will. That said, I don't believe "forgiving" is the right word. More balanced? Yes. The issue in our old space contrary to most people's assumptions was never brightness. The old room was bass loading - something I was aware of and took into account in all of our reviews. I am confident in saying the room was NOT the issue with the 600 series. We didn't like it in our old home and we didn't like it here in the new space. It has a smile like curve to its response no matter what room you put it in.
Thanks for the response, Andrew. Once again, fantastic content.
always nice to hear Kristie’s take..she really articulates everything so nice❤
@@andrewrobinsonreviews when is the 805 d4 going to come out?
Andrew, what is better: 705s3 or formation duo ?
I actually like the 704 s2 speakers. They are slim towers that take up less area space than most bookshelves with stands. I compared them to the 705s2 and immediately heard a huge difference between the towers. I could only detect a slight difference when going from the 704s2 to 702s2. But the size and WAF factor are what I liked the best. The big question is What's the difference between s2 vs s3 because you can get a massive discount on the s2 models right now.
I do share with your observation. For the S2 series, I opted the 704 for a better base, and "free" stand!
@@svx94 exactly
So you saying small towers do have noticeably bigger bass than standmounts?
@@grindingpancake yes, even in the video Andrew pointed out that there wasn't a whole lot of bass from the 705s.
@@grindingpancake I did a AB test more than a year ago in BestBuy store. To my untrained ear, yes, the 704 has better, punchier base; and the separated tweeter housing didn't show noticeable difference. I also compared with KEF R3 that day. Both B&W sounded more 3D than the KEF.
Andrew, that's a great looking listening chair! Who's the manufacturer?
Eames
@@KristiWright IT IS A BEAUTY 😎 AND VERY COMFORTABLE 🤔😁
As always, a great review. I don't think these are for me because I have a small space and therefore like powered speakers, and, as unreasonable as it may be, I HATE the look of these. Great video!
Do you think I need a center speaker with the 705 S3? I mainly watch TV and listen to music. I have an SVS 3000 SB. I would like to upgrade my Klipsch and I think B&W would fit my needs. Thank you for your feedback.
I’m team Kristi, but I agree with Andrew this time when it comes to look I like the 705s better
FINALLY, someone agrees with me 😂 Thanks for watching!
I went to hear them with my wife 2days ago. Only ones I listened before were castle Tay and knight 20yrs ago. And in my heart they are still there. BW were nice but didn't move me like the ones i mentioned.
Omg your room looks more amazing with every new video ❤ Fun to se something from your movie, would love to watch it!
Thank you!
Hey Kristi & Andrew, thanks as always for your great review.
Just wanted to let you guys know that I received the Speaker Box 5 S2 today, which I traded for my B&W 606 S2‘s based in your reviews. Best choice ever! Got them for 500€‘s over here in Europe.
Thank you guys so much!!
The SpeakerBox 5 S2 is better than the B&W 600 Series for sure! Enjoy 'em!
🙌
Also took the green one 😉
@@floriandobbratz7580 NICE!
Hello from Buffalo!
Hello!
Roy's in the house!
Gorgeous looking speakers! I do agree, the mock-up grill design you made would take them over the top. Great review as always!
Thanks and I appreciate the vote for my grille design!
I couldn’t agree more on the grills. They look cheap and could have done better. Also I would want the speakers to show their logo up front especially when you pay that kind of money for them.
@@typeonegsr And look like the new Mission 700s? If a company wants to advertise in my listening room (or on my chest for that matter) I think they should pay me 😂!
can't wait for the denon pma a110 save it for a sunday review :)
We'll see. Appreciate you tuning in for this Thursday review though!
Why save it for a Sunday?
@@KristiWright it's good for a hangover watch along with football
Sunday is slow and relax day easy to follow along
Hi Andrew & Kristi I'm from Belgium and a real HiFi enthusiast for years these B&W will certainly be great speakers but not for my bugget.
So now a question for you I recently bought the Marantz PM7000N and want to add column speakers and the Monitor Audio Silver 200 6g are now in the local store in promotion from 1500€ to 1000€ will this be a good match?
Greetings John.
Hey Andrew, loved the review! Any idea when the 805 review will be out? Is it weeks/months?
Weeks.
ANDREW,KRISTI…🤗VERY HAPPY YOU GOT THE SPEAKERS YOU WANTED AND THEY 👀 LOOK GREAT 🤩 In your room,I hope you enjoy them for many years 🤗💚💚💚
Whaaaaat just happened?! Robinson familly, what the hell? :D I was expecting 805 :D. Btw. I still love my previous CM6 S2, I miss them so much. Let's find out how they improved 705 s3. *smashing play button*
Got to keep you on your toes!
@Andrew Robinson - my audio brother. That review... It wowed me a lot. Your approach is at another level. I feel your message, Bowers and Wilkins will feel it too. I hope you all (Robinsons&BowersWilkins ;)) will enjoy many following reviews together. Because you and Kristi are the best on YT/audio and B&W produces one of the greatest, and refinement products on the market. That is much bigger than one 600-whatever speaker. Nobody cares about them.
One technical thing - I had CM6 s2 which is pre-previous to 705 s2. I got them without org. stands. They were great. After a while, I purchased B&W stands (for your speakers: FS-700 S3). Unexpectedly, they made a substantial sonic difference and this is why: The stands have a dedicated space for ballast to increase the weight of the whole column (speaker+stand). You can fill them with sand, but it will not change much. You need to use heavier material. I used micro lead balls. My single CM6 s2 with filled stand weighed more than CM9 s2, I got 27 kg/ 61 lbs. What has changed? The sound was crispy and clear. The Bass became super punchy. The midrange was better, more realistic, and better tone + smack-effect. I got +15% better speakers after upgrading the stands, which is a lot. I don't use bookshelf column for years, but I will never get rid of that balast. A weght improves the stiffness and gives loudspeakers better control in the column. No questions about that. Worht of trying, youll _not_ regred. You can blind test it.
I have the CM6 S2s and have the upgrade bug, but want to make sure it’s worth the upgrade.
I have owned cm6S2 for 5 over yrs now & still amazed at what they do sometimes. I compared them to the 805D3 at the time in the showroom & was surprised how close they both sounded. Went in with intention to buy 805D3 but came back home with cm6S2. Paired with a REL T7i, the cm6s2 are a total blast. Never felt the need to upgrade to anything else.
Damn those B&W look good.
Better than their bigger brother 805!
Sorry Kristi, I think he's right lol
The new Marantz looks damn fine but I'm planning on a B stock 7015 next month, would like to see your review on the new one soon Andrew ✌😁
Coming soon!
Hi Andrew and Kristi, first of all I really like your work : each video is a pleasure !
I've just heard this speaker with my amplifier (Marantz 40n) at my dealer and I'm really impressed : it sounds great, clear, accurate, spacious whatever the style of music. Even at low volume !
I'm saving money to buy it beaucause it's simply and perfectly the sound I want.
Best regards from France !
Seriously, putting a B&W at the end of a Denon or Technics amp? you're in for a touch of sibilance, edged in the highs. A good starting point for these would be a Naim Supernait 3, or a Cambridge Edge Integrated minimum. You need serious current and very well built power transformer to get these to sing. I have been using these on a Naim 200 DR/202 Pre for a month now. Also tried them on the new Rega Elicit amp. Compared with the B&W PM1, it's just night and day, B&W house sound changed dramatically between the two speakers, these do rocks, providing again you get proper amplification for them. Trust me, that very last bass notes and bit of extension you mentioned lacking, is definitely there
Oh how the other half live. My room alone would be a problem, 10 × 12, imagine 2 feet from the wall lol. I do posess B&W but the 607 s2 sa. I just love B&W styling & their sound quality. I can still dream.
If anyone still watches this channel, I would like your opinions, the opinion of the author is also welcome. I think Andrew Robinson is the only one who rated the sound great for listening at low volume, everything else says they are not ok for listening at low volume. I'm really on the verge of buying these 705 S3, I don't have the possibility of a test, but listening at low volume is important to me, because I can't always disturb the neighbors 🙂 What is your opinion and of course, thanks in advance. PS: Is the quality of listening at low volume highly dependent on the power of the amplifier? What should be the minimum power of the amplifier for 705 S3? What the manufacturers write i.e. 15-30W, seems to me to be more marketing so that they can sell more...
I've got to say every time I see you another B&W bookshelf speakers i just wanna sell my speakers and go bankrupt... 😆 You really got me when you said Kristi fell asleep 😴 😆 That's another great review in the hole.. I was not expecting these speakers...
Couch time is the world's best sleep inducer for me. I think it's Andrew's foot rubs :).
They make drool-worthy speakers for sure! No one knew we had these --not even B&W.
@@andrewrobinsonreviews Oh I know that... I just find a great B&W was probably biting their fingernails hoping you would give them a good review.. I will say they are some pretty looking speakers and they would look beautiful with the rose amplifier.. OKOK I'm sorry I just love that amplifier Sue me.. If you ever have another contest giving that away and somebody else wins it I might have to hunt them down....🤣
@@KristiWright oh I bet!!! 😆 it's always great to see you in the comment house!!!
You had very high reviews of the Formation Duo, which I now own. They are growing on me. Apple and B&W have not dedicated enough time to get this all right. My Formation Wedge and my iPad do not talk well with one another. I like to play music as I fall asleep on the Wedge from my iPad as I fall asleep but I wake up to silence and look at my iPad and the song is paused five to seven songs in so communication is lost.
I have an old pair of B&W CDM1NT’s currently driven by an AXR-85. I don’t feel like I’m getting the most out of them and I’m wondering if my amp choice to blame. Anyone have CDM1NT’s? What are you using to drive them?