Why the Left Supports Palestine | Victor Davis Hanson
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- Victor Davis Hanson and John discuss the antisemitism within western culture today, as well as whether or not the left actually desire's an end to the conflict in Gaza. They also touch on the perspective that woke "moralists" have, that not being white makes you exempt from racism.
Victor Davis Hanson is an American classicist, military historian, columnist, and farmer. He has been a commentator on contemporary politics for the National Review and The Washington Times and is currently the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution.
In addition to writing hundreds of articles, book reviews and newspaper editorials, Hanson is also the author of twenty-four books and hosts a regular podcast series, 'The Victor Davis Hanson Show'. Hanson was awarded the National Humanities Medal in 2007 by President George W. Bush, and was a presidential appointee in 2007-08 on the American Battle Monuments Commission. His latest book, The Dying Citizen, was published in October 2021.
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Two words, too late. Here in the UK we've seen the writing on the wall down at street level for thirty years. We were called racists and bigots.
Same in Sweden. Even political leaders at national level called people racist for just about anything that wasn’t politically correct ie the one and only truth.
This is the real problem. Some nut heads that actually believe that there’s only one way and that is their way.
I don’t think we can have one culture, but we must have a civilized way of negotiating the common values!
And what to do with the ones that are definitely unfit to be allowed in!
They need to go back to their country then. White people can have their country back.
I call that fascism!
Exactly.
It is not so much about multi-culturalism as it is about tolerance and intolerance. The cultures that are tolerant get along well enough. What is happening now is that Paradox of Tolerance that Karl Popper wrote about.
Thanks for articulating these factors. Frankly, as someone who shares your values it is reassuring to realise I am not alone.
It must be quite toxic where you come from to need assurances you are not alone.
@@msimon6808 You are toxic, so ...
What factors are so compelling for you? The disgusting lies about how everyone on the left is actually anti-semitic? You think that's an objective and well-informed view? Phony intellectual bigots like Hanson can't register anything that is not black or white in a person's view. It's actually quite possible to condemn Hamas for their horrific assault (even allowing for decades of oppression suffered from Israeli policies and practices as a justification) while also condemning Israel's totally disproportionate, indiscriminate and brutal killing of 10 times as many civilians in Gaza. There are war crimes on both sides, but it's the hardcore brutality of Israel's military assault that is ultimately more sickening as they specifically target the civilian population, drive millions out of their homes and decimate the entire infrastructure of Gaza, proclaiming their goal is to destroy it before later building it up again.
Palestinians need a better government, but so does Israel. The increasingly far-right govt there is using the Oct 7 Hamas attack as an excuse to do what they've been wanting to do and an excuse for Bibi N to consolidate his grip on power while avoiding the legal reckoning he was facing in his own country.
Very well said, thank you, Victor.
“This country is not sustainable with that level of hatred.” Isn’t that the point, Dr. Hanson? Isn’t this another front, like what used to be our southern border? Weren’t many fronts built post WWII and we did not heed Gen. Eisenhower’s warning? We did not listen to the Soviet defectors? We allowed PC tyranny and a cultural revolution to take root and infiltrate so that, by the 70’s, we were literally a different, shattered country, from which the spiral of demoralization has spun out of control. Look what is running what used to be our government. How long before there are no more Americans who remember truth, respect and freedom? I have relatives in Chicago who are wealthy, well educated, cultural leaders, etc. They spend their elder years giving one another awards and would rather see our beloved Chicago destroyed than admit they were wrong, admit they were brainwashed, arrogant and deceived.
Drug Prohibition subsidizes criminals. Republicans love it. The errors are not one sided.
Obama turned his back on Black American in Chicago. He will never be able to slow down the black on black crime rate.
This small group from the left sure speaks loudly. I want them to be silent and the media to stop the lies.
The Right has been exposed as Israel First. The Zio NeoCon agenda is destroying the West particularly with waves and waves of migrants.
They will continue as long as they are rewarded.
I can criticize 194 countries when they commit war crimes and everyone will applaud me
When I criticize Israel’s war crimes millions are calling me a Jew hating antisemite
How are they able to manipulate so many people with this nonsense?
It's not that small, alas.
What makes u think it's small?
He is Brillant!
I get your point, but no, he is not brilliant. He has common sense and fairness. It's pretty sad to think that simple common sense seems like brilliance when compared to the absolute nonsense which now permeates our western world.
Ship the LGBT for Palestine crowd to Palestine and see what happens to them.
add in the Q's too.
It's happening now😂
Honest common sense as always.
@googlenazicompany5935 yeeee’s!
Common sense? Christianity has always been against Jewish doctrines, but it all changed after WWII
Extremely thoughtful and useful talk to help those of us who haven’t been listening. He sets a course to success for Americans and the world population. A “must” for every thinking soul to hear.
The road to trumpian Oz, yes, indeed. Thinking souls must be the walking dead if they follow this charlatan of right-wing nonsense.
I am in complete shock when I see how many people support Hamas---I had no idea the country had turned against Israel with such ferocity--it's very sad and more than worrisome
It's just the rational people like us do not go into streets like they do, also most journalist are lefty, but actually there is a lot of people who stands with Israel
The left pays a lot of stooges to go on parade. They've got nothing worthwhile to do anyway.
I was not surprised because the left has always tried define the narrative. The vast number of people are ignorant because the do NOT know history. They do not know HIS STORY. Jesus the Messiah is the TRUE STORY.
Obama brought all of these Hamas and Palestinians into America, he is a ranking member of the Muslim brotherhood. The damage is done, so get ready war has finally arrived in America.
Israel is a left wing state
It's so nice to hear truth on the web.
Amazing! Excellent ideas (re: stripping universities of tax-free status etc)! ❤
I am reading a book called ‘Gangsters versus Nazis’. It tells the story of how the Nazi movement was shut down and stopped in America during the 1930s. It is inspiring and energizing. I think anyone watching this video would love it.
And America was taken over by communists in the 1930s. They had an open door.
We are all victims. Victims of stupidity. Transcends race, geographics, religion and politics. A global plague of stupidity has befallen the human condition.
Victor is Awesome.
You articulate these ideas better than anyone
DEI is illegal in the USA. Sue them to comply with our laws.
@@medved3027 ship is coming back to port, so we can give them the discipline their parents should have
All three words are sickening. We're back to as VDH says, tribalism.
@@medved3027 I am required to 16 hours of it per year.
@@medved3027 Lots of companies will trash it when it is obvious that DEI just wastes money.
Hanson as always is brilliant
👏👏👏 Victor Davis Hanson. Smartest man who knows history and shares with all of us!
I just wish people would get the acronym correct. It's not DEI, it's DIE...
DEI - Didn’t Earn It!
Honestly Im glad this issue happened because its really making it easy to define the warhawks on both sides
If only everyone would surrender when attacked the fights would end. I blame Ukraine for the war. They could have surrendered.
@@msimon6808 Putin invaded Ukraine and Crimea. Ukraine wants to be a democracy. Ukraine will win. Israel will win. They will not and should not roll over and play dead, like you would, apparently. My gawd. Get real.
@@msimon6808 Lol
Victor Davis Hanson you are one of the smartest men in the world I wish you were the President of the United States and show all these supposed smart people in Congress what real intelligence is and how o use it to make good decisions. You see things clearly and say what is right or wrong and why this should be done this way or what consequences if done another way.
I used to be neutral politically, voting either way depending on the person. Now, the ideology of the left is so absurd that I consider their opinions immaterial and nonsensical without credibility. I have been become completely biased and won’t support craziness.
You are really “based” - not biased.
"..we have such a peculiarly large idiot vote among the so-called intelligent classes, a republican has awful odds against him..." --T. Roosevelt, to H.C. Lodge, 1886
Well said !
VDH is spot-on, as usual.
You're absolutely right
Nice observation.
Yes, it needs something to be done. Those ideas sound like they should be put int law, and university's need pulling into line a bit, that seems to be where trouble starts.
Victor Hanson for Vice President!
Well said sir
In South Africa we had a multicultural society. And it had to work in its own unique way. Everybody's religion and customs and outlook and philosophy and culture was tolerated - as long as you do it over there, while we will live according to our own culture over here. It worked. Africans streamed here to work, or to have their children educated at universities that held first world status, or for free cutting edge heart surgery. The only successful, prosperous African country. Power house of its region, bread basket of its region. But this was destroyed in favour of a single American culture that nobody would ever be happy with. We are now just another third world country.
After Winnie died, it’s been downhill mostly, ever since.
You misspelled DIE
Why don't you post links in description to the full interview.. we need VDS!!❤
A common culture movement is a great idea.
On funding schools: it can be argued that state education is unconstitutional in the first place.
VDH is correct, that we should not be forced fund those who hate us. Tell them they've sawn off the branch they were sitting on, too bad.
VDH is a true legend.
Diversity =why
equity -= Why
Inclusion = Why
no its not its its not improvement
it may be efficiency but its not improvement ?????
Thanks Victor for your great analysis. I agree on that the last 30 years antisemitism shifted to the opposite side.
agreed, its like al-qaeda 2 weeks after 9/11 saying "whoa easy guys, lets talk about this"
And should be saying this..atleast for your children
😢🙏
Agree
Albanese has previously protested Israel’s occupation of Palestine in the street and in parliament. Nothing the man says is believable. He was slow to condemn hamas, and it was a qualified condemnation. The word that best describes him is disingenuous.
Your ways of thinking is about to go like the dinosaurs. Truth.
Great channel
Truth isnt established by societal equations
It’s the good old oppressor vs. oppressed thing .
Or culprit vs. victim
Nice and easy binary connection for the big masses
I' m the victim therefore I am excused from my behaviour.
I can criticize 194 countries when they commit war crimes and everyone will applaud me
When I criticize Israel’s war crimes millions are calling me a Jew hating antisemite
How are they able to manipulate so many people with this nonsense?
XOR
I have been watching Dr John Campbell he talks about the WHO and our freedoms that will be at stake. Just reserch the who guys. Very important.
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There's also the problem of how the Left see's Jews as "White". This is something that makes Left-Wing/Progressive anti-semitism different from right-wing anti-semitism, who absolutely "Others" Jews, regardless of their skin colour. Many on the Left don't see this as being anti-semitic, but anti-White - which is not only acceptable, but outright Virtuous.
Exactly, it's a side-effect of anti-Western hysteria.
What is most amazing is that most Jews continue to vote for Democrats.
For many of those not steeped in leftist ideology, their moral balancing act seems to me to be perched on a fulcrum of perceived victimhood (though that is a viewpoint universally applied from the left). Americans, by and large, have an innate sense of what constitutes “fair play,” and absent a compelling personal interest tend to root for the underdog. The “Palestinians” have captured the identity of the underdog in this generational struggle - if only because Americans also tend to have short attention spans and a very poor (or no) sense of history. The obvious atrocities and savage barbarism of what Hamas did on 10/7 has not only exceeded the average American’s tolerance level, it was thoroughly repugnant. All the left’s hired hands in propaganda and politics will not overcome the outrage, though they may shout it down in public since they dominate all the shared public squares. Ol’ POTATUS Puddinhead has got himself, and us, in quite a bloody jam. It’s going to get worse since the enemy knows this is the time to attack America’s weakness. The WH team of ideologues and incompetents (Blinken, Sullivan, Jarrett, Rice, et.al.) have no moral authority or will to fight because they’ve long ago lost sight of what’s right.
Except all those "savageries" have turned out to be Israeli lies. It goes to show while these cuckservatives claim to be against government "disinformation" bills, they don't give a squat about the truth, and happily double down on their own lies. They are all the same.
Well said!
If you think of them as abused children (they are), a lot sorts out.
@@msimon6808 I agree with your assumptions.
@@stantheman9072 I put these kinds of comments all around. You are the first to reply with prior understanding. Excellent! Obviously there is a lot of work yet to do. But with enough effort we might just make some improvements. Bravo !!!
100%
He's right it doesn't work.
All you have to do is look back then compare the influx of these radical groups to loss of peace and culture. It was much better when people stayed on their own turf instead they bring their luggage with them.
Call it D.I.E, not D.E.I. Branding matters.
diversity ,equity and inclusion
What's the answer to the title question?
Starting to grow a pair, hope not too late. Lose a few jobs STANDING and telling the truth, then WE can talk ..
Very well stated, Sir.
It’s interesting how these two individuals listen to each other, knowing fully that they are laying to one another!!
I hesitate to say what the real problem is , because my name is here . I'll have to get an internet name I guess .
Common sense.
Ok, guy.
At this point it comes down to just protecting your family and yourself.
These pro Palestinian protests are heartless
No, they are EVIL genocidal Jew Haters, in principle.
Peace on both sides. The protesters want peace between both parties. PEACE NOT WAR. ✌️
Antisemitism has all of a sudden become acceptable because of the so-called downtrodden being the victims no matter how badly behaved the downtrodden are. Online I have seen people compare Israel to the nazis. Of course that's a silly (idiotic) idea and I cannot help but ask, how did it come so far? When a Dutch parliamentarian spoke up against the river to the sea chanting of hooligans supporters of Hamas, another parliamentarian claimed it was simply freedom of speech. The speaker let it all slide. Antisemitism is tolerated because it is for a greater good. Western morality is shifting and we are adopting poor values which are imported on mass from countries dominated by a certain religion of peace. This ideology is frightfully dangerous and immoral but we are expected to be blind to this, and we are.
Wha-wha! It’s NOT anti-semitista to to anti-Israeli government. But you know this, it’s your cheap trick. But Americans are waking up and protesting in support of Palestine.
Antisemitism is the normal human reaction to Jewish behavior.
Antizionism. Learn the difference. It's like saying during Hitler's reign all the Germans are nazis. Nah, mate. All the Jews are not Semits nor all the Semits are Jews. All Palestinians are Semits. Every one of them
I' m the victim therefore I am excused from my behaviour.
Yes agree. Its disturbing.
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God. As the Scriptures say, “He traps the wise in the snare of their own cleverness.” 1 Corinthians 3:19
I prefer the way Gad Saad arranges them. That is Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity! (Or The DIE Doctrine)
When our technology surpasses our human interaction we will raise generations of idiots.
We have arrived.
What about the cycle of violence in the Sudan? Kurdistan?
No peace, know them ~ Know peace, no them.
VDH hombre.
Why do politicians avoid so many questions? Why are the left and the right not able to understand each other and are always upset with each other? Why will a flat earther not accept the evidence that shows they are wrong? My answer to these questions is not a simple one, its a long comment. But if you are interested and if I am correct, I think this knowledge should be shared and taught to everybody.
If you have 12 minutes the first basic part I will go over is about fast/slow thinking. If you want there is a 12 minute video by veritasium called "the science of thinking" that will explain it very well. I think this is knowledge that can really benefit people if they do not know about it. The next part though I dont know any videos for and I dont know if anyone really had the idea I have before.
The knowledge of the fast/slow mind is what is relevant from that video and I think a good starting point for the discussion. The video also gives examples of people doing it live, but it most likely will work on you as well so that is how I will show you. I am going to ask you a question, and I am going to predict the answer you will have pop in your mind at first, and predict that will be a wrong answer. This works on most people and you can try if for yourself on others to see too, its an interesting conversation starter.
A bat and a ball together cost 1.10, the bat costs 1.00 more then the ball, how much did the ball cost?
You might have an answer flash in your head right away with fast inaccurate fast mind but if you check that answer with your slow but more accurate conscious awareness, you can see that answer is wrong but it takes effort to do. The answer of ten cents is not the right answer but most people have that pop in their head because of the fast thinking mind that we rely on most of the time.
The fast unconscious mind is taking everything in and trying to make sense of it really fast. Its 11 million bits a second. But sometimes it makes mistakes. The slow conscious mind is 40-50 bits and lazy but it can check things and bringing the unconscious mistake to conscious awareness it can correct it.
The next thing to understand is about carl jung and the 4 ways the unconscious complex he called shadow deals with reality. The shadow is an unconscious complex that is defined as the repressed and suppressed aspects of the conscious self. there are constructive and destructive types of shadow. Carl jung emphasized the importance of being aware of shadow material and incorporating it into conscious awareness lest one project these attributes onto others. The human being deals with the reality of shadow in 4 ways. Denial, projection, integration and/or transmutation.
Now I believe what is happening when a question that exposes a conflict in a belief, idea, something that someone said, or even about someone they idolize and the question gets avoided, that is the fast unconscious mind going into denial and the response is often a projection. This also can trigger and emotional response activating the amygdala more and the pre frontal cortex less where rational conscious thought is said to happen and the amygdala starts to get the body to flood itself with chemicals/hormones.
Its like the fast mind knows conscious awareness will say its wrong. so it blocks it off to defend itself from admitting its wrong. in cases of denial and because it blocked off the rational mind, the responses are often irrational. Like personal attacks do not address the issue or answer the question. I think we can agree people have a very hard time now days admitting when they are wrong, I am not exempt from this myself I do realize. And we can see how badly questions avoidance effects us if you watch political meetings and watch them avoid questions all day long.
Ok, so the first thing to go over is denial as that is the main one I expose with questions. A disowning or refusal to acknowledge something I think is a good definition for it here. There is a really good 2 minute video I use as an example of this. A streamer named vegan gains claiming lobsters have brains after some one said he can eat lobsters because they do not have brains. He googles it and starts to read what it says. When he gets to the part where is says neither insects nor lobsters have brains, he skips it and says they literally are insects then skips over that line and continues to read the rest. Just like in the fast thinking video, his fast mind already read that line and refused to acknowledge it in unconscious denial, and just skipped it.
The person then tells him he skipped it and he reads it again and sees the line this time. Still being defensive of his claim and refusing to accept he was wrong, he tried to discredit the source and its the lobster institute of maine. If you would like to see the video for yourself its 2 minutes by destiny clips and the video is called " Destiny Reacts To Vegan Gains Ignoring Search Result That Contradicts Him". Justin turdo avoiding the question of how much his family was paid by the we charity 6 times in a row I think is denial as well. I think jordan peterson not being able to answer his own question of does he believe god exists and asking what do and you mean then saying no one knows what any of those words mean while being seemingly angry is think is another really good example of denial... and projection. And while JP find those words difficult, other people understand them easy. Even he does pretty much any other time they are used.
So projection is next up. Psychological projection is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotions. Psychological projection involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings. Many times a mind in denial will use projections for responses. Someone getting mad and telling the other person to not interrupt when they have been doing that a lot themselves would be an example. I have done this myself. The people who tell me I dont understand my own questions and my point is wrong when they do not even know what the point is are all examples as well. I ask them to steel man my position to show then understand my point and they just avoid that question as well clearly showing they do not understand my point.
Now we have integration and/or transmutation. Integration is when you bring an unconscious behavior into conscious awareness and accept it. I know that I interrupt people talking sometimes even though I think that is wrong to do. I have a conscious awareness of it, but I have not been able to completely change the behavior.... yet. That is where transmutation comes in. Transmutation is to completely change that unconscious behavior. From being impatient to being patient, of from distrust to trust, hate into understanding and love even.
So was this understandable or confusing?
if you understand it, do you think its possibly true?
Do you have any questions? If you have any tips I am would gladly listen.
The right are mostly normals
The left are mostly abused children
You have no idea how incredibly difficult PTSD is to understand if you haven't lived it.
Thank you for speaking against the hate toward Jews, Dr.Hanson. And for clarifying the issues.
❤👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Keep your stuff close, it's coming.
This won't open. Are you being censored?
Upheaval
Because Israel represents the fulfillment of God's promises to the Jewish people...
I can criticize 194 countries when they commit war crimes and everyone will applaud me
When I criticize Israel’s war crimes millions are calling me a Jew hating antisemite
How are they able to manipulate so many people with this nonsense?
Maybe then we could also move the Airforce back to Edmonton where they'd protect democracy.
Exactly
Far more damaging is the need to take the small extremes on each side and then generalize. This isn’t the beliefs of “the left” any more than white supremacy is the belief of
“the right”
This is msm peddled beliefs. So it is becoming common on the left. That is the problem. Not much of that on the right
These are exactly the beliefs of the Left. There’s no one on the right who feels this way.
That perfectly explains all the demonstrations and marches.
@@msimon6808 only a tiny percentage of people participate in marches. The vast majority of marches are peaceful and constitutionally protected.
nice attempt at manipulation
Good idea about the endowments.
Victor qualifies as observations with: Maybe this kind of hatred is not sustainable?
Really?
Maybe?
Abused children can displace their EXTREME ANGER for a lifetime.
Victims
DONALD TRUMP (remember him?) in 2016 proposed ending the student loan program in favor of industry grants. Businesses can project how many gender studies bachelor, gender studies masters and gender studies doctorate graduates we will need. If you want to study that, have rich parents and get the traditional "gentleman's Cs".
Anyone who thinks violence doesn't solve anything should ask the Carthaginians.
Why is the right so indifferent to Arab suffering?
Many Thanks Dominik Tarczynski You are the smartest man in Europe because you care for Poland and the Polish people. Dominski you are wise beyond your years because you do not follow the foolishness and stupidity of the countries of Europe by letting Muslims inter Poland which will not assimilate but keep there way of life and belief which will only cause many problems in the years to come. You do not have to be a PHD to know this will happen if Muslims inter a Christian country.
Amnesty International says Israel covers up its war crimes with counter-charges?
Israeli Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Lior Hayat said 👇👇
"Amnesty International is anti-Semitic and biased against Israel" and its demand for a ceasefire is anti-Semitic"
Do you imagine the size of the rudeness where it is heading⁉️
"In the 1960's, Leader of the American Nazi Party, George Lincoln Rockwell, had forged an alliance with Malcolm X and his Nation of Islam - both were subsequently assassinated."
Islam delenda est.
@@msimon6808 The Foreign Minister of America Blinkin said publicly and in front of the cameras that he did not come to Israel except as a Jew who supports his faith and group..
Neglecting his position, job and his country, America, which is thousands of kilometers away from Palestine, and this is religious, military, material and human support, so what is your problem with Islam?
Amnest International is not the organization and authoritative voice on human rights it was 20 and 30 years ago. Now, Marxist propagandist’s own it.
@@mohamedali2858if someone asks you what is the problem with Nazism, what would your reply be?
Does WOKE stand for "we only know evil " seems about right .
One simple answer: when God leaves your brain, stupidity fills the void.
hmm? where is God? I think he forgot where he put us.
@@taroman7100God is patient, but not forgetful.
Of course what most people want is a two state solution with both Palestinians and Israelis states enjoying equal status existing side by side in peace. No different from France and Germany. Not too much to ask for.
Do they really want that though? They say they don't want that...they want the whole land. Quran, Muhhammad...al aqsa mosque..the reasons why.
I saw that movie it’s called dumb and dumber!
The problem is hatred for the God of the Bible. Period.
Cos the right doesnt
How can a historian say antisemetic and not antisemitic?
It was such a silly premise that black people couldn't be racist, yet it keeps marching on
It’s antisemitic to expect Israel to have a balanced approach to their military response against people in an area in which a terrorist group is operating? Wth?
How about expect Israel and Ukraine to proceed with reason?
????
3500 children dead in gaza so far
Have you counted how many are at the hands of Hamas? Your ignorance shines.
STIP calling the area Palestine. That is an insulting name Rome gave to Judea after putting down a Jewish revolt. The area is Judea not Palestine. Not to mention that Judea encompassed a much larger area than all the land between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.