The True Cost of Equality | Victor Davis Hanson
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- In this clip, Victor Davis Hanson and John discuss the implications of equality of outcome and the assumption that all inequality is inherantly unjust.
Victor Davis Hanson is an American classicist, military historian, columnist, and farmer. He has been a commentator on contemporary politics for the National Review and The Washington Times and is currently the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution.
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Exactly right. Never fails how the self-anointed ones and their cronies always end up with the finest material life has to offer while everyone else has to pay the price.
You said it perfectly.
The man has the most astute assessment of the world that I have ever seen.
Astute? He's clearly deluded like the Sky News mob. Wake up.
The man is clueless. Another backward Conservative and flat earther.
Except that it's based on misinformation. His definition of what "woke" means and how "woke" people view the world does not align with reality. It's a strawman.
@skaarphy5797 Yes. Like most conservatives,he lies. Wake up Westies.
@@leonharrison800 I wouldn't even call them conservatives anymore. They're the textbook definition of reactionaries.
VDH should be touring the world. A true voice of reason.
Lol, no.
Rubbish. LGBT will not be cancelled ever.
Perpetuator of hate
I see VHD and I click, listen again and again. I so admire him. Calm, clear and reasonable.
Rubbish. Conservatism, religion and Capitalism have alot to answer for! Time for reparations.
It occurs to me, carbon offsets are pretty much the same as indulgences sold by the Church...
Yes, this has occurred to me also.
Climate change is the new religion
Perfect analogy!
Good way to put it. Gates says he can fly around but that's ok bc he has other carbon credits so he's exempt
Absurdity is absurd, regardless of milieu.....
For those who are confused, good idea to listen to these two great men. There are others out there, just not on legacy media. It is over for the merchants who manipulate.
It astounds me that tax payers are expected to pick up the tab for a degree in gender studies or green theology when the recipient won't have a job to go to and then because they can't get a job it's exploitation and these people expect to receive the same money as someone who studied engineering or medicine.
Or they CHOOSE to party and do drugs/alcohol, then turn around demand equity? Where are they living; in Santa’s castle?
@@AnthonyTolhurst-dw1nc spot on.
Tax payers shouldn't be picking up the tabs for any degrees period.
@@martinhd28v1 idk man, im not against my taxes being used to help somebody pay for their degree, keyword being "help" but that requires a trust that has yet to be earned by those in charge
@@scootza1 I get wanting to help people but that's what bursaries and scholarships are for. If the government is allowed to manage the system we will eventually get to the situation we are in now, 100% of the time. It's not just happening in a few places in the west, it's happening everywhere to a lesser or greater extent.
Excellent analysis of the current situation in the western world .
Conservatives and religion the problem always. Woke is the medicine. Wake up.
VDH is a national treasure.
Spot on gentlemen - thanks for articulating so well what many are thinking
Woke is the medicine for Conservatism. Wake up fools.
Blessings and appreciation from Sydney.
John Kerry, being the poster boy for endless flights but excusing it by using carbon credits.
I'm curious to see what Justin Trudeau comes up with for Canada's carbon tax after this summer of raging wildfires.
Thank you Victor Davis Hanson.
Carbon offsets remind me of indulgences sold by the Medieval Catholic Church. The idea being that money can buy forgiveness from sin.
This is the way this discussion should be held. Not by politicians going for a quick win. Bravo ! If only the masses would listen, and vote for better people in the government. This is a problem on both sides in my opinion.
They just don’t like “the happy people”….. married/children/successful
Excellent.
3:46 should note, the $ 2 billion of property damage was that which was covered by insurance. The total figure is greater.
Trouble is, this is equity of incompetence.
We have this in aviation, where new commercial pilots are chosen on gender and race - yet some of them should not even be in command of a bicycle. This new cadre of first officers are now becoming captains, and they still should not be in charge of a bicycle.
Luckily, I am now retired.
It is you who will have to fly behind these equity captains.
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Some of them may be as good or even better than other pilots.
Threatened by the competition?
When quality is not a part of the equation “Equality” is meaningless and we will only be equal in stupidity, misery, and poverty.
Fair assessment of what the entire Western Europe looks like these days.
@@christumferens1716 and they start to infected their stupidness through out of the world and forces people to accept their sickness to the people who oppose them. Also don't forget that Americans are following.
Such a well balanced, thought out and insightful segment.
3:20 It now a "Let them eat BUGs" moment
The Truth.....The Whole Truth.....& Nothing But The Truth....!! Thank You Sir...!
You Should give to Others because You desire to give-- It Shouldnt be " forced "
upon you!
The real problem is diversity in the first place.
"Fire in the Minds of Men" by Billington ( I think) ....a must read.
How Many Tears Have Fallen
Tears so many have fallen
Through the years for the Greatest Nation ever
Tears for life liberty the pursuit of happiness
For a free world
Tears for the sons and daughters that never returned home
Warrior soldiers all
Tears wiped from the cheeks of so many wives
Shed by the children with only faint memories
Tears behind the mother's veil
On father's handkerchief
Tears at the base of the white stone
That wet the flowers and flags
Tears at the sound of taps played in the distance
For the memories of buddies
Tears at the sight and sound of dog tags boots
Empty
Tears when the aircraft flyover
Stars shining brightly
Tears as the ships sail
Anchors aweigh
Tears for those that patrol
Guard the dark nights alone
Tears at roll call
With no reply to a name called
How many tears have fallen
Bless Them All
God Save America
Dr. Sack
5/30/2021
Why doesn't anyone on either side explain how a molecule with a molecular weight of 44 (CO2) accumulate in the atmosphere when a molecule with molecular weight of only 18 (H2O) can't?
I get a lot of pleasure (sometimes anger) from watching this John. I never had any problem with you while in government, although I have been by nature and circumstance a natural Labor voter. Always suspicious of utopianists, and the urgency and extremism which it must entail. I wonder your position on the extremism of the Morrison government, and even previous Liberal governments, where even Malcolm Fraser turned against them, in their eyes. A valued and ethical man who showed great compassion and was never given his due as an elder statesman of the Liberal party.
Where do you stand, for my belief is they must be cast into the desert to consider their profligate behaviours and singular sins against Australians and the best interests of our people, as opposed to the best interests of their mates? Mr Anderson, I am in total agreement with you on everything I have heard you say and concur with your wonderful choice of guests. Please John, how could a man such as Morrison or Abbot gain the leadership of a party, while I may have held less restrictive views than they, were decent and refined people with a wish for the welfare of all Australian's allowing a conversation not of smug ideologies but of the decorations around the edges and the inclusions on the invitations for a wedding (as it were) We were one, a united people till we became mordantly dismembered and the cash prizes were being divided among the upper echelons of the Parliament. I am terrified that logic and reason are becoming degraded and valueless, that being WOKE is somehow a mechanism for instant self-approval, and that folks are genuinely drawn to that, as the Germans fell under Hitlers spell. The invocation is self regarding, with no need for the acceptance of any school of thought. Where any disaffected misanthropic teen can lay claim to my home, merely by claiming it without evidence for, or against. I consider Bolte and Hamar among the great Liberal premiers of Victoria, loving and responsible men who allowed our state to thrive, without the neo-con palaver introduced by Kennet. A terrible time of great suffering for which we continue to pay, where we sold off the family jewels and our cooking vessels, and stoves, thereby becoming reliant on a take-away led economy/recovery The great depression (phycological in effect) he now works to alleviate without an apology. It allowed Julia Gillard to sell our Natural Gas to Japan at absurd rates, while we became the owners of absolutely nothing. (A statement that perhaps should be written on our currency at present?) May I please add at this point, that as well as my detestation of Marxism, etc, I have no sense of special entitlement or envy towards those with more. I am glad for my achievements, but displeased for having my lifes work stolen from me by a corrupted court system which gave everything to my X wife, a monstrous narcissist, who destroyed my 2 sons, and left me to look after their wellbeing and their violent rages at the age of 65.
We have been slowly descending into the murk, never believing that the situation could be so bad. Once our moral compass and our ethical considerations are excised from our minds, we have built a leaky boat for the high seas.
Can we be one on this score John?
Wow
People don’t normally talk about it, the essence of most, if not all, modern political debates is rooted in the tradeoff between equality and freedom. Victor’s point on “cost of equality” is spot on . But I’d rather hear him talk about the “cost of freedom”.
Great work John! Scooby snacks for you and Dr. Hanson.
My allegiance is to Liberty, the Repubic and Democracy.
Being moralistic means nothing without a standard. From "Both" sides.
Those who seek absolute power should remember the end of people like Robespierre. As Britannica states:"Prior to the French Revolution's Reign of Terror (1793-94), France was governed by the National Convention. Power in this assembly was divided between the more moderate Girondins, who sought a constitutional monarchy and economic liberalism and favored spreading the Revolution throughout Europe by means of war, and the Montagnards, who preferred a policy of radical egalitarianism. By the spring of 1793, the war was going badly, and France found itself surrounded by hostile powers while counterrevolutionary insurrections were spreading outward from the Vendée. A combination of food scarcity and rising prices led to the overthrow of the Girondins and increased the popular support of the Montagnards, who created the Committee of Public Safety to deal with the various crises. On September 5, 1793, the Convention decreed that “terror is the order of the day” and resolved that opposition to the Revolution needed to be crushed and eliminated so that the Revolution could succeed." Robepierre took power in August 1792 and in July 1794 he too was executed as he had executed so many, by guillotine. He was thirty-six. Absolutel power doesn't last very long.
I have seen people in the ghetto who need housing spend money on rims and a stereo for a rusted out car. Maybe it would be possible to somehow write a law requiring people to show proof of home ownership before purchasing fancy wheels and a stereo for an old car.
I consider myself a moderate and support guaranteed equal opportunity but not guaranteed equal outcomes. I think that is what Jefferson had in mind when he wrote "All men are created equal". I know it took us a long time to include black men and women in that promise but we did eventually move a great deal in that direction. The wonderful thing about America isn't that we're perfect but that we're capable of change. I do believe, as MLK said, "The moral arc of the universe bends toward justice". For that to happen though, concerned citizens have to continue to pull us toward our better angels. For America to achieve its potential we Americans must find ways to work together. We don't need to agree on everything but it would be useful to lower the temperature of our public debate and not think of those who disagree with us as our mortal enemies.
Most of those receiving college loan forgiveness will become loyal Democrats, if they aren't already.
I don’t think any will. But I think right now only common sense citizens are national democrats (notice I said national, California democrats are very different then Midwest democrats).
“I don’t suppose I know history because I don’t think history matters, but history would tell them they’re playing with fire.” If history doesn’t matter, why are you using it as an example? Also, how would you know what history would tell people if you don’t study in depth?
I tend to lean left but this is so true.
A person who learned a trade and becomes a plumber, electrician, etc instead of going to college should not subsidize kids who decide to go to expensive elite schools to study theatre or sociology. Makes no sense.
And worse, those kids then turn around and demonize people who choose different lifestyles and actually keep society running.
A mojor problem with most political revolutions (particularly the communist/Marxist kind) is that people are placed in positions of authority/leadership because they are “true believers”, not because they are competent for the job at hand.)
Interesting thank You for sharing
These lunatics will take us into the trash heap of history if not stopped.
Two old, rich, white men, chatting in their opulent library. The visuals are glaring and indicative of their bias. Why should we listen to them?
Coveting another man's wealth is not only envy but greed and gluttony...
For you would Covet, take, then leave them with nothing, then claim peity
Like it was ur right to engage in such acts...
Tis always human nature
They are not moralistic, their rules for thee and not for me comes from their sense of entitlement, their greed,and the fact that if what they do in the shadows were to come to light they would be convicted of terrible crimes. They are narcissist to the core.
There it is. Cannot add any more words of to that of VDH. There for all to witness. OK. Now, how to rein this in?
i find it funny that its called greed when someone wants to keep the fruits of there own labor but not when someone wants to take it and give to someone else...
The fruits of whose labor? Billionaires don’t partake in “labor” they’re enriched off the backs of others labor.
@@mookm6639 They provide the entire framework the people need to earn money in the first place. For example, anyone can be a truck driver without an employer. But good luck in the costs and time involved buying and maintaining your truck, getting a clientele that wants to do business with you, etcetera. If this was truly so easy to do, everyone would do it. Yet people choose to work for an employer, because building that framework you need is incredibly expensive, difficult, time-consuming, and full of risk. That is where the employer's value lies. That is why they ask so much money for what they do, because it's a job hardly anyone wants to do/is capable of doing.
Not saying I have no problems with billionaires, far too often do they go outside the boundaries of their companies and try to influence the people outside of their companies, either directly or through the government. But when it just comes to their in-company activities of making tons of money thanks to their laborers? I have no problem with that.
@@mookm6639so hiring people to carry out certain tasks is now slavery? Ok…
how come whenever anyone argues that everyone deserves to be treated equally they never try and argue that everyone should take an equal share of responsibility?
Because that's a different topic.
You are not Guaranteed Equally of out come . But we should all have the same opportunity at the starting line of life . Schools Food and Healthcare.
Climate change is real. Don’t care what solution we take as long as we act. Only the oil industry is upset with our minimizing carbon foot print. We are as a grass roots movement moving in the right direction. Wish I could say the same for politicians. Nice mahogany and leather lounge. Is this the ivory tower?
Truth
They could just take down the fence. But taking things away to solve the problem never occurs to people. We always have to add more.
Hey question, who owns that fence in the picture? I’m guessing its privatised or it belies to the State. Why not drill wholes thru it and or destroy it?
The fence represents a social standard or requirement ie good school grades, ability to read, a medical degree, food hygenic premises, arriving at work on time etc etc. These standards exclude those who don't/can't achieve them and therefore create a "fence" to obtaining equity.
@@MottIrregular yes it would more rhetorical but thanks for answering. Let’s drill thru the fence!
There IS truth to both sides.
@5:00 did you say $0.30 per Kilowatt?? In Hawaii we pay $0.50!!
Whats the setting if the interview i love the library and lifhting chairs cieling
I am so surprised that nobody discusses ecological issues using a time proven Pareto Principle, or the 80/20 rule, which states that for many phenomena 80% of the result comes from 20% of the effort. According to this rule, we have to start our ecological efforts from the highest end consumers because it is going to deliver massive results. So we have to start with pharmaceuticals and chemical industry, mining, massive production of cheap crumbly plastic and other synthetic disposable items, and all similar industries. Then at an individual level -royal family, private jets, etc. After we've done all of this and still not happy, then and only then can we address the average person. But while being ruthless with 20% of culprits, we can peacefully educate the rest of us to be more conscious in our daily operations.
All would be equal, yet as always some would remain more equal than others!
There is MORE truth to the side of the person being taken advantage of than the side of it being the individual's fault... Those who are in privileged positions will hardly ever admit that, including these guys.. Assuming people will naturally help each other out in a greedy society is comical thinking at best..
you're wrong John.. times are different... there is not enough cohesion of any one mindset or group that can make a genuine threat like the French revolution... we are splintered into millions of individuals... partly by design and partly as a consequence of tech
Exactly, individualism and altruism are our achilles heels
@@stigcc what? Idiot! Think! No individualism, no freedom!
@@stigcc This is why waiting for the right time is sometimes the wrong thing to do. If we just wait till it smacks us in the face like a 2x4, it is too late. Proactivity is key.
@@daviru02 A revolution need to have support from the people. As long as the people are happy in their golden cages, it will not happen.
People in the USA were protesting from May to November 2020.
While the rest of the world were locked down due to the pandemic.
John Anderson wow
Equal rights good. Equity makes everyone poor except the ones that impose it.
But notice- only democrats are dumb/evil enough to push for equity over equal opportunity
And that's the problem: There's a fundamental misunderstanding of what wokeness means. So fundamental and so easily refutable that one could almost assume it's a deliberate strawman.
No, "wokeness" does not say that ALL inequality is rooted in exploitation. That would be idiotic.
"The phrase "Let them eat cake" is often attributed to Marie Antoinette, but there is no evidence that she ever uttered it, and it is now generally regarded as a journalistic cliché.[225] This phrase originally appeared in Book VI of the first part of Jean-Jacques Rousseau's autobiographical work Les Confessions, finished in 1767 and published in 1782: "Enfin Je me rappelai le pis-aller d'une grande Princesse à qui l'on disait que les paysans n'avaient pas de pain, et qui répondit: Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" ("Finally I recalled the stopgap solution of a great princess who was told that the peasants had no bread, and who responded: 'Let them eat brioche'"). Rousseau ascribes these words to a "great princess", but the purported writing date precedes Marie Antoinette's arrival in France. Some think that he invented it altogether.[226]"
Old and grey; why so ill-informed? I knew this at least 30 years ago.
Exactly. I was surprised he said that. Victor was a gentleman for not correcting him.
In all fairness, this is quite obscure knowledge
I agree with what was said... But nothing that would convince a devout of the equity religion to hit cognitive dissonance.
If there will ever be real equality, then the prices on a steakhouse menu should be the same as a burger joint menu. It's food. Why should there be different prices?
I want financial equity with the billionaire class.Capitalism is obviously a zero sum game,and since I don’t have what they have ,they must have stolen my billion.It’s inconceivable to me that my lack of expertise,knowledge and sloth could be the problem.
Is it inconceivable that some people might be born into a system that makes it much harder to get that billion? Or that pursuit of good and pursuit of money are different? I'm privileged, well educated, and hard working, but I've spent my life trying to do good not just chase money. I will barely have a retirement because of it. Those who pursue money above all else will have a different story. Are you suggesting that the best this world can do is reward those who pursue wealth and punish those who try to do good? That's sounds like a good world to you?
Vivek Ramaswamy is the only public figure to speak it out loud, have you noticed?
I'm an avid fan of both John Anderson and Victor Davis Hanson. Good to see them together. Where was this shot? A great location.
A great place to highlight that these are two, old, rich, white men.
@@Nicksonian = racist
@@Nicksonian And yet despite their imprediment somehow manage to be both smarter and more virtuous than you. Amazing.
@@mr2981 More virtuous? Your snarky, pointless comment only proves that you have no virtue and few smarts.
@@Nicksonian…and?
Every time Mr. VICTOR is on Fox News, I listen very closely to him...
When you imagine a foe, you imagine yourself the hero.
so unbelievable
I don't think this is the case, because Equality of Outcome is measured statistically. JBP has a better argument when he notes that intersectionality carried to its logical conclusion devolves to the individual.
Equality of opportunity = individual freedom
Equality of outcome = government / corporate power
This is great.
It will help remind me it's ok to be hateful.
Thanks John and your articulate guest.
This guy is adorable😂.
Everyone who benefits from a system thinks they deserved it, and nobody who suffers from a system thinks they deserved it.
If we even things out, we tend towards what classical economists call "perfect competition" and those who were ahead are averse to their loss of advantage, but if we let inequality free, we tend towards what they call "oligopoly" or even monopoly where the most successful just subsume or beat out their competition.
Thinking "one or the other" solution is "correct" is the incorrect way to look at this.
Lots of talk about carbon offsets. Instead of carbon offsets, the money should be spent on advancing green technology that has to win out over fossil fuels. I would also add fission/fusion research in there as well!
I do not understand how. People can vote Democrats. Of. For any old rich Man. When people get to Biden’s age they yell a lot but do not really understand what it’s going on. I think there shouldbe an age limits. Look at John fetterman.and Diane Feinstein out in CA. Biden was 78 when he was elected. What with th health problems, he should not be allowed to run. Set a limit of 70.
This is the strangest form of evil I've ever seen.
"We want equity!!"
Well do you want it in sports?
"No! Because talent and hard work should be rewarded on an individual basis!!"
@GregMoress" Sports was racially segregated for many generations. Was it a meritocracy during those times? Was the average white person as troubled by that as so many are by "equity?"
@@dpeaseheadWell if you want 'Equity' for everything, then you should want it for sports too, or is being fair 'unfair' to some?
@@GregMoress Once again, the US has never been a meritocracy, so what qualifies white people and others to define equity as if they have any real experience with it? I think the real issue is that they believe in their innate superiority in spite of having spent centuries rigging the system in their favor.
Fresno State!!
Equity is the equality of outcomes.
I’m not sure about that. I think equity means taking from someone and giving it to another to make them both equal, or the same. It’s just another word the Left uses to confuse, and confusion is the ultimate goal.
@@ElenaAshe I understand your scepticism, but I defined equity according to the United Nations. I recommend Googling the sustainable development goals on equity, which is SDG 10.
@@ElenaAshe You are correct. My bad as the auto correct got me. Equity, according to the United Nations is more equal outcomes nationally and globally aka Socialism. This is global socialism.
If you're letting the UN define anything, you are barking up the wrong tree.@@CJ-gv6bq
Which is why only democrats are dumb enough to push for it.
I have one child who is a lot more successful than my other children. She studies harder, is more disciplined and responsible, despite her learning disability. So I guess the real reason for her success is that she's oppressing her siblings.
Why do you think the oil companies fight any kind of clean an green . Because they want to keep the monopoly on the energy sector
"Rule for thee but not for me". As long as I'm exempted is the motto that they all operate under.
Yes. Democrats are massive hypocrites
4:50 why do people need oversized lifted diesel trucks (outside of resource workers)
Most billionaires are financial services industry people. So being an accountant and sitting close to the quantitative easing dollars is your best bet. Wealth seems not a left v right issue. A corrupt banking system is the problem.
Equality is a fallacy
Look at South Africa where are the richest southern country in the south now all about equality and diversity
exploited some body; its called " a job"
Its the beginnings of socialism and communism
Like how can you have a winner if you don't have any losers.
Take this in sport context and it starts to become verry funny once everyone is equal.
No losers but everyone is a winner, will we be running over the line holding hands? 😂
These are with all left great ideas, once you look deeper in them they shatter.
Sound like Bernie Sanders, "I'm a socialist but I own three houses".
What I think I should research is the Google search and how many racial classes populate the United States right now
The Marie Antoinette metaphor is bogus because it never happened. It was made up many years after. They went after her because of a scandal over some jewelry that her opponents accused her of buying. But she never had even bought the jewelry. What happened to her was horribly unjust. Louis XVl, too, because he was not a tyrant. The people were reacting to the rule of his grandfather, Louis XlV, who was a tyrant. Irony is what history most often teaches us, if we learn it truly.
Where the legend and the facts differ, go with the legend.
@@davidsimplyclicks484 The preference for legend and myth over factual history (or any type of fact) is unscholarly and causes drift from truth. This leads to wrong action. The French Jacobites became the Revolutionary Left (which gave birth to modern communism,. Entertaining and perpetuating inaccuracy is unhelpful in maintaining a free society because it encourages more lying producing harm to society and opportunities for yet greater liars. Critical thinking is useless without the presence of accurate information and facts. This is why "small" errors need to be checked and corrected.
Who is "they"?
Hearing about the present from a guy so deep in the past, he's practically a corpse. There's a good night waiting for you, come gently or otherwise.
Holy wars and the punishment due
Isn't "woke" when you become aware of a specific group of people, which you may or may not belong to, in a society that are being treated unfairly or disenfranchised just because they are different. Different color skin, different place of birth, different religion, or different in that they were being taxed without representation...I guess that would make our Founding Fathers woke...
I understand you can't make everyone equal, though aside from petty examples of air conditioning America does have real issues with vast gaps in wealth and education.
Oh there you go not buying wheels for a car while getting subsidized housing. Operate a forklift while subsidizing college for someone else. Two sides the same coin.