The End of Citizenship and Our Current Cultural Crisis - A Conversation with Victor Davis Hanson
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- In this edition of the popular podcast series "Thinking in Public," Albert Mohler speaks with Victor Davis Hanson, the Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. Professor Hanson's scholarship has earned him numerous awards including the National Humanities Medal and the Bradley Prize. His latest book, The Dying Citizen, explores the history and importance of citizenship and the many threats it currently faces by our culture. It is the topic of this "Thinking in Public" episode.
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53:12 To hear such an educated person talk about the value to society of a tradesperson warms my heart. We really are the backbone of our society.
Ruben Victor is THE MOST distinguished Classicist & Historian in America today. He reveres the working man & has nothing but disdain for the so called elites of the world. You really need to listen to his podcasts or go to his website & Facebook page. You will become a lifelong fan. Take care.
@@petefalc - You are 100% correct.
Yes, you are. I’m a dentist but identify as a blue collar tradesman!
I’ve been singing their praises for decades as well as encouraging youth to pursue trade schools. Can’t think of anything more important to a well-functioning society.
That’s why Jesus was a Carpenter…well his earthly father Joseph was. Everything man made is literally that. Only God can speak things into existence. Unfortunately, we have people running most western countries who think they can & look down on those who actually make things, are religious, & if you’re both you’re the worst, an enemy of the State. Unimpressive over-educated morons projecting what their guts tell them they are onto people they fear.
Victor is excellent. He thinks thoroughly before he speaks. You can tell all that he says is backed by detailed observation of history and statistics. Which is what this nation needs more of.
Not just by solid knowledge/facts but logic and just plain common sense which a lot of academics lack.
He’s a west coast straussian and does not believe in a decentralized federal form of govt we’re supposed to be.
Mostly, most of the times yes, though sometimes (rare) he is way off and just wrong.
“He is way off and just wrong”
Please provide proof and examples of your statement.
Yes, without a foundation in Western Civ, American History, Civics and Faith public school students are unable to defend against the darts they are sure to encounter on today's University campuses and the workplace.
All the best.
I’m a total VDH disciple.. I read and or listen to something from him every single day of my life without any exception.. the only voice that keeps me from becoming insane
The interviews he gave about "the case for Trump" should be a must watch for everyone who doesn't understand the #AmericaFirst movement
I too considered myself a disciple. I became enthralled with VDH while reading The Case For Trump. For years after I devoured anything I could find from him on TH-cam, and I even subscribed to National Review to get his newest articles. But all that ended when he adopted the Republican establishment position on the election. Of course he acknowledged that there were anomalies, that Pennsylvania broke its own state's constitution, that the corrupt media suppressed the Hunter laptop - definitely giving a few points to Brandon - but when we needed him to say what is obvious to any objective citizen, he played it safe. That's when I lost respect.
I hear you Bill, I have read nine of his books and listened to every podcast he has been on for well over a decade. I also only subscribed to National Review for his writings from 2002 till he left last year. Victor is on scores of older episodes of Uncommon Knowledge with Peter Robinson from the Hoover Institute. If you have not listened to those, or even his old Ricochet episodes take a listen. I am sure you know you won't be disappointed. Take care.
@@petefalc we should campaign to get Victor Davis Hanson on Joe Rogan.
@@FiremarshalM1 That is actually a phenomenal idea. Joe claims he wants to stay out of politics but everything worth talking about unfortunately is not political. Of course thanks to the left. I am going to do some research on this today, great idea Bearly.
Whenever I wanna improve my vocabulary, I just listen to Victor Davis Hanson
It is 'want to' not 'wanna'. And where did you get that infernal 'ain't ' instead of ' is not'? No wonder the world is going to hell in a shopping bag (plastic)
Thank you for this program. Every time I hear Dr. Hansen speak about the founders I get a greater appreciation for the incredible accomplishment their drafting of our system of government was. At the same time my anger deepens toward the malicious ideologues who relentlessly work to destroy it and the worthless fools who follow them. Please, God, gather them all in one spot and drop a flaming meteor on them.
Be patient! Vengeance is His, but in the meantime, the best we can do is to pray that they will go to jail and, while there, they REPENT and go to heaven. If they don't, then they have already chosen their own end, and they will not be granted any mercy!
@@roseannecantasano8947 clearly you have no idea what the Founders thought re religious zealots like you.
VDH is a national treasure. I’m 44, a member of Generation X and as the millennial generation has emerged like mindless, ravenous locusts, I’ve come to look back to the minds of my parent’s generation in hopes they could impart wisdom to those who would listen who might help save the nation from the wolves at the door. Often I think many of us who are secular but moral take for granted how important our parent’s and our childhood’s exposure and emphasis on the church was in forming our sense of morality and I regretfully admit to being a young 18 year old father who didn’t allot enough importance to Christianity when raising my son. And though he has a very similar morality to mine, I see what he’s missing and where I’ve gone wrong as a father, now that he’s 25 and has not met the challenge of fatherhood as well as I did, as flawed as I was as a father. Fortunately for my two grandchildren, they were both born to Mexican-American mother’s who still retain stronger religious traditions within their families than existed in my own upbringing. So in that I can find temporary solace, but I hope the culture finds God again, at least in the best sense so that morality can be reestablished so that America can once again know that it’s best days lie ahead once more. I’m very concerned at how technology was used to blindside and subvert the population while they were distracted with fabulously vacant technological distractions.
Kim Kardashian and The Rock and too many inconsequential celebrities have millions of followers, while extremely consequential and careful, thoughtful, well read and highly intelligent thinkers like VDH and Thomas Sowell have thousands. THAT, my American CITIZEN friends is one of the more pressing problems in our Republic!
Dennis Prager says, re your comment above: "Very few famous people are significant, and fewer people who are significant are famous." I don't have the quote in front of me, but I think this is very close. VDH is educated, few famous people can really say that.
On order to have a successful Republic you must have: 1. Citizens. 2. Education
I wish I could have been taught by this gentleman. Thank you
We are...he shows up on Ingram angle often
Victor David Hanson is Brilliant!
I've read and recommend his books.
He Truly is an American Treasure.
IF I HAD TO CHOOSE BTW VICTIR DAVIS HANSON AND JOE BIDEN I WUD GO WITH HANSON. PROF. HANSON IS A SAINT WHILE BIDEN IS A LOW DOWN, DISHONEST, CORRUPT, PRETENTIOUS, AND A POOR LIBERAL HUMTY DPTY DONKEY. PROF. HANSON I APPRWCIATE YOUR WORDLY VIEWS, PERSPECTIVES, ANALYSES AND COMMON SENSE, PRACTICAL AND SOOTHING ARGUMENTS TO PROVE YOUR UNIQUE INTELLECT. PIENSA POSITIVO AMIGO!!!!!
I have followed VDH for many years and can deeply empathize with him as a Californian as well as an ex-border patrol agent. His commentaries are both adroit and informative, not just about conservative personal opinion. In your discussion Dr. Hanson reference Augustine Hippo's comment regarding the 'earthly' city imploring the citizen not to allow fields to go fallow and plant and return to the virtues of the citizen farmer and how American society have discarded the work ethic of physical labor exporting such labor abroad for cheaper costs. I can remember the days of the Washington- Labor union corrupt marriage where especially the steel/auto/trucking unions extorted wages from those corporations making them wholly non-competitive as the union workers literally paid into the coffers of such corrupt politicians. The idea of joining something like that was anathema to me! But the greater anathema that has not passed but become much worse are the woke religious denominations and theologians propelling them. The autonomy of the local church under the spiritual gifts as as illustrated in Ephesians 4 is really our only hope against this cosmic onslaught of a very perverse moralism ensuring that this bankrupt nation never makes it to "Chapter 11' as it were. In short, pastors need to start studying and teaching daily and the gifts of their congregations must begin supporting them.....witness ministries like Dr. Andy Woods of Sugarland Bible Church and R. B. Thieme Jr of Berachah church. They actually TREAT their professions as professions.
Thank God for Victor.
VDH is an Oracle and a National Treasure!
VDH should be an advisor to any WH cabinet. He's the American common sense.
President.
"He's the American common sense." Correct, that's why half of America will never accept him.
I’m always worried about whom Trump selects as his key advisers
He doesn’t have any common sense lol he lives in the same county as me (Fresno County CA) and said its almost exclusively Republican and that everyone here stays away from the coast because they hate the liberal elites so much. Our county is blue and everyone loves going to the beach and no one talks about “liberal elites” lol he lives in an echo chamber of fiction and straight up doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Right winger saying things right wingers already think and want to hear to confirm their biases. There is no “prolonged adolescence” in the vast majority of people, the problem is people have to live with their parents because the federal minimum wage has not kept up with inflation and productivity increases for DECADES. Thinking society is decaying because people aren’t getting married and having kids and have too much debt, is just completely looking in the wrong place with the wrong intent.
Common sense is a super power these days.
Victor Davis Hanson has the amazing ability to speak smoothly, bluntly, and quickly enough to hold my attention indefinitely.
Hanson tells me a great deal while using no "filler" words whatsoever.
This is why he's my primary go-to guy when I need accurate answers to a given pertinent issue that concerns me.
I have lived in California for 56+ years. No one has the pulse of this culture better than Victor Davis Hanson. Like me, he has lived the deliberate decline in citizenship here, and he was paying close attention.
California is the poster state for the disintegration of the roles and responsibilities of citizenship. And, progressives want it that way. No distinctions between people who are invested in these things and those who are not are permitted. To a progressive, distinctions are mere discrimination. When everyone has the privilieges and rights once reserved for citizens, then no one is really a citizen, because citizenship is an empty concept. It was gutted by social justice zealots.
Illegal immigration is at the heart of this catastrophe. It won't be reversed.
So you support higher wages and unions then right? You shop local and not at places like Walmart and other outsourced product retailers that pay crap wages, don't offer insurance. You only buy produce and meat directly from small farms that aren't fueled by immigrant and migrant labor, right? You don't eat out, use landscaping or construction services...The anti-immigrant/anti-globalistic rhetoric is B.S. if you aren't actually changing your economic and personal behavior to stop personally "benefiting" from it on a daily or very regular basis..
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Enjoyed this great dialogue. There are some fantastic insights throughout the duration of this podcast. 💯
I think this interviewer got a better discussion out of VDH on citizenship than anybody else I've seen. Great stuff!
Man! These two men need to have more talks on whatever public avenue they can. I love these men...and such intelligence and subject matter. Thanks for posting.
Excellent conversation. Thank you, gentlemen!
VDH has that rare wisdom that this world truly lacks .
But does he have the courage to talk about Jewish power?
@@tedfordhyde 🤣🤣🤣 it is easy to hate and blame the global south that are oppressed and looted America have destroyed my country and invaded they steal our natural resources kill my innocent people human trafficking our children and adults he will be mad if i migrated to his country and will deman from me to sell my soul through assimilation i pray the west will pay for their crimes one day
VDH a national treasure.
His final segment makes me smile (cynically). When the sewage system packs up, when the electrical wiring is a hazard, you can sit and cogitate on your degree in French Literature. All this wokery comes at a price.
Every one in life the plumber/electrician and of course the professor like VDH and the theologian. This made humanity and humans dominate the world.
An orphan who is a ward of the State learns a kind of citizenship that veers near Tyranny. Citizenship needs the institution of Family to bestow meaning in the ideal sense.
Is that a quote or personal philosophy? I've not heard it before in that way, but I see Truth there.
@@HarveyDog123 insight based on personal experience.
Well said
Passing a citizenship class was a requirement for graduation from grade school 🏫 n my day. Understanding how our state functioned how people are elected what they do this is important to understand our government and also adds to the pride a student feels for their country
Our Founding Fathers understood the fragility of man. They knew that halfwits would be elected to govern. Hence, the balance of powers.
This Victor makes better sense to me than Noam Chompsky and Jordan Peterson, very lucid, well informed, and God's truth-based thinking. Great session!
Chomsky is older than Hanson & probably senile now. Even if he isn't (yet), Noam Chomsky is stuck in his New Left orthodoxy...basically, Chomsky is still stuck in the late 1960's. He's still in that mode of protesting against the Vietnam War even though we live in a very different world now. As for Jordan Peterson, he's a different kettle of fish... Peterson has given some great advice & general guidance to lots of young men today, something in which society in America & Europe is sadly deficient. But that's the only good thing Peterson has done, especially lately. He tends to speak quite vaguely & borrows from Freudian & Jungian theories & mysticism, all of which I find unhelpful.
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I love his dispassionate, reasonable dissemination of truth after truth after truth. Amazing. Profound insight and understanding. This man needs to be heard by EVERYONE. Thank God for keen minds that can "see" and reason!
Absolutely brilliant conversation.. Albert impressive as VDH. Thank you both.
Great talk, gentlemen!
The man is a genius. ✨VDH!
Thank you for showing that history is essential in giving us perspective on what's going on now. It's critical that that we get the Gospel out, (living & speaking it) to a dying world.
This is the best conversation I've ever heard from Victor Davis Hanson. Thank you.
I enjoy listening to Victor sharing his thoughts. Thank you Victor
Some interesting points. I usually find I learn a few things when listening to Thinking in Public.
VDH is the man .
Great conversation. Thinking in Public is one of my favorite podcasts!
Very good video. It only highlights how primitive (or advanced) we are as humans. We blame the past saying that we were tribals and underdeveloped without borders, without racism, without any significant demand for wealth or consumption..and now we feel we have evolved (for the better) with cleaner air, more poverty and disparity, enslavement to machines, geographical borders. We need to rethink everything on the way we live in this world.
Sure appreciate learning about this book--have ling admired and appreciated VDH as I myself have a minor in ancient Greek and appreciate both military history as well as Thucydides.
Thanks Victor and Albert!
Absolutely essential wisdom
I feel like I've been such a Philistine for so many decades because, while I knew of VDH, I had never heard him speak or read his works until the last few years. What a tremendous and tragic dearth in my intellectual world! Now I'm "bingeing" on anything and everything Victor Davis Hanson!!
I really love listening to Victor, but I’m not really optimistic about the future when I listen to him, I feel deep concern for the lack of knowledge & education most Americans suffer with
That was a great interview
His book "The Dying Citizen" is fantastic. 👍
Great work Albert! Scooby snacks for you and Dr. Hanson.
My allegiance is to Liberty, the Repubic and Democracy.
Great man. Everyone needs to listen to him. Buy his books.
Love Victor Davis Hanson...
Why is Al Mohler considered an enemy within the church? What did I miss over the years? Love Victor Davis Hanson!
He’s not an enemy; some people do not agree with his taking a lukewarm stance on CRT or some social justice issues. While I desire him to have taken on a stronger anti CRT stance, I don’t consider him an enemy or a false teacher.
@@patrickc3419Thanks for the answer, Mr. Mohler seems like a brilliant man who loves God, I had heard rumors about him as well. Christians need to be careful about attacking one another.
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Agreed.
Awesome interview. Subbed
This will age VERY WELL... it is a very interesting time ( to say the least)
VDH is a national treasure.
very good
Two great minds!
good guys both that i listened to, not always agreed, but I am thankful for their lives and contributions
I read/listen to all I am able to of these two remarkable men. Robert Mohler, a very fine Christian theologian has also this capacity to take on so effectively all (and I sense any other serious, important thing we have to deal with in life.)
Victor D. Hanson is simply remarkable and now at 79 and nowhere close to these men's minds, I still get what they say...mostly. I am always amazed when I see such persons as these how great our God to have given us such teachers that is such an extraordinary help in understanding things we seldom get most anywhere else. Alistair Begg, Scottish theologian/Pastor spoke of another colleague of his that was so gifted...as these two...that the friend had a brain size 18, while his own was (six?)
Anytime anyone wants food for the mind/soul, and we all need more learning, GO to these men. What a delight this was! wl
"I read constantly and try to get as much out of every book...as it deserves, frankly."
Legend !
VDH is amazing! A national treasure, must be protected!
Best Administration EVER!!!!!
Love n. Blessings from Australia.
Really enjoyed this discussion. Regards from UK
Very, very good thinking in public! My thoughts are pretty much the same.
Describing in real time the end of the United States culture.
Thank You for standing up for Clarifying clearity. Decline pre- post Pandemic. 🤔🇺🇸🇩🇰🌷🙏🌅
I could listen to this guy all day.
Thanks again!!
Get these two on internet more! I follow Al Mohler.
Unalienable Rights
Unalienble Rights are the Inherent, Sovereign, Natural Rights that existed before the creation of the State, and which, being antecendent to and above the State, can never be taken away, diminished, altered, or liened upon by the State, subject only to the Due Process of the Common Law. Nor can any Unalienable Right be fundamentally removed, whether mistakenly by contract through non-disclosure, which is fraud and unenforceable in Law, or knowingly by renunciation, which is contrary to Natural Law.
The Original, Permanent, Unalienable Rights of every Man or Woman, include:
The Right to Life, Freedom, Health, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
The Right to Contract, or Not to Contract, which is Unlimited.
The Right to Earn a Living by being Compensated with Wages, a Salary, or any Trade Goods, in Fair Exchange for one's Work
The Right to Travel in the Ordinary Course of one's Life and Business.
The Right to Privacy and Confidentiality, free from Unwarranted Invasion.
The Right to Control, and Hold one's Property, Lawfully without Trespass.
The Right to Self-Defence when threatened with Harm, Loss, or Deceit.
The Right to Due Process of Law, with Notice and Opportunity to Defend.
The Right to be Presumed Innocent, suffering No Detention or Arrest, No Search or Seizure, without Reasonable Cause.
The Right to Remain Silent when accused, to avoid Self-Discrimination.
The Right to Equality in the Eyes of the Law, and to Equal Representation.
The Right to Trial by Jury, being an Impartial Panel of One's Peers.
The Right to Apeal in Law against Conviction or Sentence, or both.
The Right to Expose Knowledge necessary to one's Rights and Freedoms.
The Right to Peaceful Association, Assembly, Expression and Protest.
The Right to Practice a Religion, and to have Beliefs, of one's Choosing
The Right to Love, and to Consensual Marriage, with Children, as a Family.
The Right to Security, from Abuse, Persecution, Tyranny, and War.
The Right to Refuse, to Kill, under command, by Reason of Conscience.
The Right to Live, in Peace, and be left alone when Law Abiding.
Surely, the most Critical Failure of the People, is their failure to ensure the Teaching and Common Knowledge of their Unalienable Rights. If you do not know your Rights, you effectively have none. By the Path of Ignorance, whether by Apathy or Deception. The People arrive in a State of Exploitation, Oppression and Tyranny.
Great restatement of fundamental rights. The extent these are respected is a sure measure of the health & vigor of a society.
@@admaioremdeiglorium "Correct BUT !!! If we don't know our rights we have no rights"
This man is brilliant. I wish I was half as smart as VDH
V.D.H. is a National Treasure
Fountain ⛲️ of Knowledge
Victor is the spitting imagine of my father, kind, wise and articulate. Except my father was a Che socialist
I forget who originally said it but they defined freedom as the liberty to do what is right. It sounds like Mr. Hanson's understanding of freedom is ever so slightly different but I don't have the vocabulary to precisely describe it.
Happy 70th Birthday Victor
The middle class pays all the taxes then where will the politicians get their money we are the salt of the earth we are the ones with families values morals common sense and citizens and and are voters and are people who believe in God
Super !
Go VDH!
If men like Hanson could be running the country,we wouldnt be in the shape we're in today.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams
His conclusion - last five minutes - wow, I hope he is right.
The country is finished. Move to areas of like minded people of the same demographic.
We’re not finished. But do move, etc. red states retreat!
VDH is the wisest man in the world.
45:53 "Even people who shop at Whole Foods have to have food." 🤣
Word.
Bought 2 of his books 📚 today. History of wwll. And The case for Trump.
Dr Hanson is right on, Latinos can see the wokeness & will vote red. Arriba Trump.
Victor💕💕💕🙌🙌🙌🙏🙏🙏
Think this might be the next book I read....and actually finish
Concerning the British peoples move to America, I think that the initial move was away from a theocracy in England to a theocracy, for instance in Mass. of Puritans. When others later came to Mass., they were treated poorly if they were not Puritans. Similarly there was a theocracy in Virginia of Anglicans and a theocracy in other states (colonies) of other religions. But Roger Williams left Mass., after being punished for not being puritan and he ended up, along with others settling Rhode Island and beginning the first colony that ensured freedom of conscience. It would be interesting to find out what that had on the founding of the US. He was Baptist, but te state of RI, became known as RC, I think because of the freedom of choice.
@Mylene Grimm Thanks. The period I'm thinking about is earlier around the time of the early settlements in the 13 colonies. But I'm listening to that one now.
Religious freedom was certainly a main driver behind the move across the Athlantic.
There is a lot of history between 1620 and 1776 and 1788.
Know your enemy and know yourself - Bring his and your values, goals, and methods into the public discussion. What works and what does not?
Who will pay all the taxes if there is no middle class. It is not sustainable
You are watching a free-for-all on the US Treasury. The Marketplace has failed. Politicians on both sides know not everyone will suffer on the same scale. So they are stockpiling $$$ as much as possible & buying multiple properties to flee to. Hannity.....Levin......Beck.....Ingraham.....etc - they all know it's crashed. They string you along as they bury $ millions. They try to hold the audience as best they can while they prepare for the dark days. They all have huge ranches on mega acres out west storing years worth of food & fuel. Very sad dark days ahead.
We’ll they do need federal taxes to pay for currency creation and printing. But we’d survive if federal taxes were abolished.
In the old times when no visas and passport existed, the people and authorities gave permission to stay. How good was that!!!
Keep sipping on your sippy cup sir!!!
Key insight about # people working for government (40:44) and how the trend is for them to make-up new laws (41:03) #scary #bloat
I love VDH
Senators should be appointed by governors so they would represent the state governments as intended in the constitution. 17th amendment is a problem
Big time. Repeal the 17th amendment.
Hi Al 👋
He should have a talk with Mark Lilla. They are different men politically but I do think there is good common ground. The problem is with excessive progressivism to the far left and libertarianism on the right. The loss of genuine religious faith and practice and/or real political philosophy is the problem as well. So education becomes trivialized.
Please, Albert, do not shake your head the whole time that your guest is speaking; it is very distracting from what is being said.
Thank you. I love your show.
Sir there is the GRE.
But some individuals could not improve the SAT or Act scores by more than 1 % from the scores received at 17 years old.
I was one and I know of others!
I met students while I was in college at age 40, not all of them young, who were borrowing enough student loans to live on while they "messed around" changing majors and dropping classes at the last minute. So I wonder if much of the Trillion $ student loan debt is for living expenses, trips to Florida, cool tech, clothes, and cars.
No middle class no democracy, quiet clear as concept.
By Giorgio
Interesting