So grateful not just that you visited a predominantly black church, but for the specific questions you asked. It's not every day that you hear white Christians put their finger on why black people may have issues with Christianity. I hope one day you make it to Philly and other Northeast cities and the many different "flavors" of black churches. As a black church geek, I love your overall format.
As an African American Roman Catholic in the south in one of the first AA Catholic churches in Rich VA, I want to thank you for this video. As a man in ministry myself who has worked in a predominantly white parish and worked within an Hispanic parish and now works at a predominantly AA parish, I have a passion for racial reconciliation and this video knocked that passion clean out of the park! Blessings to you and the work that you do.
@@solberg7049 this is true, but unfortunately attitudes from a lot of people in society hasn't changed. And sadly centuries of damage can't be undone or fixed in a few decades. As such while race is irrelevant in Christ, it still affects the lives of many people, so Christians should support and defend their siblings in Christ of different races and not dismiss or ignore their struggles, BECAUSE we're united in Christ and race shouldn't be a source of struggle for fellow Christians. Love, a UK Orthodox Christian
@@RevengeOfIjapa centuries of damage? Please elaborate. Last I checked Africans, haitians, dominicans, jamaicans all from dirt poor developing countries are immigrating here and LOVING IT. You saying african americans are worse off than their 3rd world counterparts? Immigrant blacks are actually very conservative, more religious and far higher rates of nuclear family. I hope the next pope is from Africa....because the dont tolerate nonsense. None.
This man is amazing. No-one has ever been able to explain the essence of African American Christian spirituality to me as much as Pastor Woodall has. Thank you!
Amen! And brother there is sooooooo much more. Africans have had our own Christian traditions for 2,000 years. Chreck out the Ancient Nubian Christian church, the Ethiopian Orthodox and church Father St. Augustine's own Alexandrian Christian Rite (Western Orthodox Catholic). As an African Catholic I am proud of the long story of African influence some prayers in the current form of the Catholic Lord's Supper (the Eucharist). We been here for a long time and have our own unique experience of the gospel and understanding from our culture and history. god bless you!
"Different styles of worship, attract different people." THANK YOU..THANK YOU..THANK YOU!!! That which unites us (Jesus) is so much greater than that which divides us.
"It (The Council of Florence, 1441) firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart “into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels” [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church."
@@arkinthedark3674 Yes...And? Any institution (including The Roman Catholic Church) that has been around for 2000 years can make pronouncements that are...silly. For that matter you can (very easily) find Protestants who have written/said the most insanely stupid things about the Church Of Rome. HISTORY...HISTORY...HISTORY. What was going on in 1441? Does the name Jan Hus ring a bell? That is what the The Council of Florence was all about. Rome was trying to hold onto power, and it worked for 100 years or so. Then The Spirit moved at the right time and the reformation happened. I am of the belief that the Reformation was the best thing that happened to the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church at that time was incredibly corrupt. The Church (the Body Of Christ) was in dire need of Change. BTW I was raised Roman Catholic, and many of my family still are. In its 2000 years of existence Rome has done many good and wonderful things...and many despicable things. "God Has A Plan...and I Trust Him." Ruth Graham.
Let’s say there is a god and that this god has a desire to communicate with humanity. Doesn’t it seem odd that god would rely upon a communication methodology that would result in defective communication such that someone would say: “I think there’s more to god than THEY are telling me” Imo, a god that is powerful enough to create the universe should also be sufficiently wise to create something better than the Bible and all of the extraordinarily diverse churches from which we must choose.
@@MrArdytube What credibility do you possess for telling us what would be a wise way for God to communicate with the best results for eternity? Furthermore, since when does an element of mystery prevent us from the benefits of knowledge? (All knowledge has elements of mystery, including science.) Aside from those questions, the Bible cannot be understood reliably and credibly all by itself. It is not God's *only* way of communication. There's a mountain of study you could do on this. I prefer Catholic sources, but C.S. Lewis can also be quite good.
@@MrArdytube A good question...from the viewpoint of Christianity though, the defective nature of the communication is in the recipients, not the method, as our free-will departure from the creator has corrupted our ability to understand. God's revelation does not have to be imperfect to be limited by our flawed reception of it. The kick of the human condition is that we need our will and individuality to have any identity and agency in the universe (which our sufficiently wise creator gave us), but by definition those qualities also make it impossible for every broken individual to receive perfect understanding in exactly the same way. It is a logical impossibility unless we were made uniform automatons, which would defeat God's expressed purpose in making us as bearers of his Image. In short, we must be flawed and unique to be worth existing - otherwise there would be only one human being and endless duplicates, without identity or potential - and what is lost in translation is due to our inherently necessary permutations.
@@MrArdytubeYou’re missing the point, nothing worth having comes without effort, part of the beauty is learning how to understand what God wants us to know from those more experienced and from the scriptures he’s given us, the method isn’t the issue, our interpretations at times are. What would you suggest as an alternative some method that doesn’t require effort? Or discipline? Or growth? You may as well be a body builder complaining that one has to workout and lift progressively heavier loads to build muscle part of the process is the hard part.
I do too. But liked this one the least. I couldnt even finish watching it. Too much talk about race. Time to either let go of the past or dont give anyone a platform who keeps digging at the sore.
@@1974jrod I understand it can be frustrating, but I think everyones lives are shaped in a major way by the color of their skin, so I feel like it can be a very healthy and healing thing to talk about those topics openly. To me, this was the most interesting video of the series so far.
@@1974jrod Dare you to learn from the conversation rather than give up on it. The past continues to shape every person throughout their life, and likewise every society throughout its existence. It would be absurd to try and picture a culture that is not informed in any way by its origins or background. Not only that, but racism and the scar tissue of slavery continue right now to be visible and extremely relevant in the American South, but easy to gloss over if not something you personally experience. As someone who lives there, I've been deeply grieved to hear Christian brothers rationalize ungodly bigotry to this very day, from individuals up to denominational conventions, and I can absolutely tell you this is not an obsolete issue nor just an old past wound. Our repentance from the collective sins discussed in this video has been incomplete and half-hearted, and it would be painfully naive for American believers to keep lying to themselves that it's someone else's problem to "let go of." There is ALWAYS something to learn from another person's experience, and if millions of people continue to attest the truth of a shared experience, it might be high time to stop dismissing and start listening. I have had to do the same over the last few years, after a long period of denial, but I'm grateful now that it was required of me.
I'm from eastern Europe, my cultural background is completely different, so it was very interesting to watch and listen to the pastor talking. Thank you for this great video!
One of the best interviews of all time!!!! As a Catholic I can see how adaptable the Gospel is to different realities. Beautiful!!!!! Thank you very, very much!!!!!!!!
As a Southern Baptist, this man says exactly the same stuff I have heard/saw/had preached in church my entire life. Same baptistry, same everything. The theology is exactly the same, but even the time and ushering and importance of welcoming and showing love. This is so awesome. Would love to go there at some point. Brother Daylan, if you read this and I'm in Alabama, be expecting this Ky white boy because you are awesome, I love you, and thank you for what you do.
"(It is) Nothing, but the grace of God that allows us to see Himself in the people that are fall, broken, sinful examples of Himself." -- Pastor Daylan Woodall
This is the quote that resonated with me the most... He articulated clearly what I think this series and channel are about. And it is precisely that grace that I hope pushes past any of our ignorance or caricatures and is caught by the people peering into our proverbial Church windows. I can say with confidence, there is much more to our Creator than what you’re hearing.
With so many references to Reformed churches and the reformed tradition, you should think about interviewing some Reformed Presbyterians or Reformed Baptists. Also, this is by far my favorite channel on 'the TH-cams'. Great to see so much engagement with those outside your faith tradition.
I was raised Southern Baptist and baptised, and Pastor Woodall makes me want to finally come back to church. I strayed away and I want to feel the love I once felt, thank you for these videos.
This German Lutheran LCMS boy has been following you for a while and has enjoyed every moment. I have not agreed with everything but have been more and more convinced of Paul's doctrine of the Body of Christ. Our Creator made us all different and yet all in His Image (can you say conundrum?) so it stands to reason that we see him differently. My brother in Christ, please keep on keepin' on. May His blessings overflow your cup and pour on more and more of His creatures.
@@sienkiewiczmonika1161 many of the Native tribes beliefs were very Christian in essence. I have attended church on the Navajo reservation in Arizona and New Mexico and they do bring a lot of their spirituality into their services. I was called a true Christian by a Navajo elder because I respected and observed their traditions and culture.
He could head up to Alaska and check the box Native American and Orthodox. I attended a parish in AK that was predominately Native Alaskan and we prayed the Lord's Prayer in the language of all the represented groups in the parish. It was really awe-inspiring.
"The only way to make someone feel welcome is to take action". Such an important truth. Thank you to you both for being willing to have good faith in one another, so that we can all benefit from this beautiful meeting. And thank you, Matt, for putting yourself out there to learn more. I know that I have learned so much from these sessions! It is wonderful.
"...Faith, if it doesn't have works, is dead by itself." James 2 : 17. I want to be clear: Works do not save us, only our faith by grace in Jesus Christ saves us. But is a faith that shows no manifestation in our live real? Yes, actions prove our faith!
Wonderful!! I love that the pastor enfacised the life of Christ. It was his life that makes Him so relatable. He was tempted in all such as we are, yet without sin!!
My wife and I grew up in the Baptist and Evangelical free church denominations and are now Orthodox and I showed her your video when you visited the Orthodox church and she said, "Oh yeah, this has been recommended on my page a lot but I just thought he was going to be really obnoxious about it so I never watched it." We were both pleasantly surprised in your demeanor, transparency, and consideration in that conversation.
“Unction” comes from a traditional hymn/ prayer. "Veni Creator Spiritus" ("Come Creator Spirit") believed to have been written by Rabanus Maurus in the 9th century. I found this prayer on a catholic website and thought it was so beautiful. Here is part of the prayer: “You who are called the Paraclete, Best gift of God above, The living spring, the living fire, Sweet unction and true love.”
This interview made me want to cry. The story of this church and its people is powerful. What a beautiful thing that Christ can turn such a dark and horrible part of history into something good. Just like the cross and the resurrection.
This video is so important! Thanks for attempting this video topic and succeeding. You are truly pushing the true personality and love of Jesus with your art.
10:10 this whole part reminded me a bit of Romans 5:10 "For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life." N.T. Wright also says we sometimes treat the Gospel as if it were only about the birth, death, and Resurrection and forget about the whole 33 years in between.
@@sploden I agree that Romans 5:10 is being taken out of context there, but I still strongly agree with the sentiment. I'd say Hebrews 2:14-18 is a bit more relevant to His life on earth. The life of Christ that he lived here is important to meditate upon as well as his brith, death, and resurrection. Personally, I find His substitutionary death to be the most important out of them all though.
Matt, You and Pastor Daylan knocked it out of the park! As a member of the Catholic Community in Northern Alabama, I love the honesty and cantor of the questions and the answers. I would love to worship with Pastor Daylan anytime in my church or His. Simply awesome!
Videos like this make me so proud to be a patron. I genuinely believe this is an important and redemptive video that I am so glad exists. It ministered to me and I know it will others. Thank you for doing what you do Matt.
Before I even finish watching this I first have to say, CONGRATS! 100k subs, that’s incredible! It’s been amazing to see the growth on this channel. Looking forward to seeing how God continues to use this channel
Best of these interview videos so far, Matt! I really feel like I understand the Missionary Baptist perspective a lot more, as well as why the worship style is different. Could have listened to you and Pastor Woodall for a couple more hours, always a good sign. Cheers, and keep witnessing! :)
I loved this!!!! Raising my family in the south. We moved churches so we could take our neighbor kiddos with us. Then we filled the pews! It starts with us individually every day. Love.
What I really like about Woodall is that you can see how he has completely integrated good rhetorical training into his way of speaking. Everything comes out really well and polished, he constantly uses classic repeating duals ("faith and belief") and trials ("to do X and to do Y and to do Z"), even the intonation is perfectly modulated. It makes it really fun to listen to, aside from how sympathetic he is anyway
Excellent conversation, Matt. Pastor Daylan is very likeable and gracious. If I lived in Decatur, I'd want to go to his church. Must be great people there.
37:57 "intellectually credible, theologically credible . . ." -- By this point in the conversation, I certainly knew that this man, Pastor Woodall, is brilliant and a careful, astute theologian. Everything about him shows it. Thank you, Matt, for introducing him to us.
This has been incredibly educational! I'm an adult with little religious background and I've been having a very hard time choosing which church to visit. One of my top choices of ones I've wanted to try is a predominantly black Baptist church in my area. I've been watching their streams and the church seems so welcoming and friendly and positive, which is SO different than the few churches I've been to as a kid. One thing I was afraid of is my presence being a distraction to the normal congregations worship, something I've feared about visiting every single church on the list I've made across all denominations. I was afraid that based not only on what I look like, but also my own education level on the Christian faith that I'd do something wrong, or I wouldn't know what to do, or I wouldn't be welcome. This video has been INCREDIBLY helpful, and so have the others I've watched on the other denominations. Thank you Matt Whitman! Keep up the good work, because I know i'm not the only one out there that's really trying to LEARN!
Wow...I just find Pastor Daylan so captivating. He's so intelligent and articulate. I certainly gained a new perspective from him. Thank you so much for doing this series.
This series should be required viewing for Evangelicals. So, so good, and so honest about the state of the church today. Man, I am a huge fan after two days of watching your work. THANK YOU. You give me hope for the church. I wish I could hug you. But virtually, because I have personal space issues.
This was a great interview. I never thought about the points this articulate pastor made . I live in Birmingham so I’m just down the road from him . ✌🏼
Excellent discussion. And the point Pastor Woodall made about shaking hands, looking the person in the eye and asking them their name is spot on. I would love to have some extended conversation with both of you. I'm a white Southerner of vintage age and have lived through the beginnings and outcomes of the civil rights movement. Although I was born and raised in Florida, my mother was from Troy, Alabama, not far from Decatur and I've spent a good bit of time in that beautiful state. I plead guilty to having been prejudiced, and to some extent, still am, but ... my core belief is: red, brown, yellow, black or white, Jesus loves us ALL. And I agree with the comment from Dan Helms as well as many of the others. My personal opinion is that we all have a story and we need to listen to each other's stories so that we can understand one another and love one another better. It has to be a two-way conversation, not a recitation of points, positions and grievances. ALL of us have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and unless redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb, deserve Hell. No one is righteous. Not one. Only by the Grace of God can we reconcile our differences. And that is my prayer.
Man, I really want to visit this guy's church. I live in Birmingham AL and go to Church of the Highlands (a supposed 'mega' church) that has a very diverse congregation. As a white guy who works in a very diverse company, with a military background serving with a diverse group of peers, and a diverse population of friends from my childhood, it is easy to forget how segregated things still can be. This was a joy to watch!
I recently discovered your channel and have been busy catching up with your older stuff. Just wanted to say how much I appreciate your content! I love your practical and intelligent approach to examining the Bible and the sincere heart with which you approach the many differences within Christianity. It is so refreshing to see you engage with people of different backgrounds while emphasizing the unity of the Christian faith as a whole. I think most believers have been taught the concept of the body of Christ as it applies narrowly to our own congregation; but you have shed light on the fact that even our denominational differences have their own function in the greater body. Thank you for sharing with us!
Wow! Amazing conversation. Being from a Southern Baptist background and still having some of the same leanings, it was great to see this. With all of the promises we are going to hear this year from others, this is a great example of what we can do to heal our country and glorify God.
Took a few attempts, but here you are verbatim. "There are two ways to make someone feel rejected. One would be to overtly reject them. The other would be to do nothing. Inaction is rejection. But there is only one way to make someone feel welcome, and that is action." Impromptu wisdom (the best kind) Matt Whitman 2020
What an amazing message that is applicable both inside and outside the church. People have a need to feel “seen, noticed and welcome”. Those words will reverberate with me for a long time.
The only problem with "Hey, welcome to our church!" is that often a church can have so many different services that the response can sometimes be, "Actually, I've been going here a year." Awkward!
@@TimothyFish That is a wonderful suggestion. This statement covers so many bases, and honestly is a little more welcoming, more open to starting a dialogue about them, which is the whole reason we're going up to them anyway
Really enjoyed this video!!! Really appreciate your effort to answer the tough question that we face in this country as believers. Really appreciate your Grace throughout the conversation. Really enjoyed your openness and honesty throughout the video. Thank you so much....
Excellent installment as always, and very informative, and spiritual. This has answered some of my questions as to why there is a black Christian, or black Baptist church; it has always been my belief, and this is how I was brought up, that God, in His infinite wisdom, created different colors among mankind but did not intend for there to be such divisiveness, and it is only mankind's pettiness that is the motivation to dominate others. I guess that will always be the way. This was really uplifting. God wants us all to put aside our pettiness, and revel in His glory, His creation, together.
I’ve been thinking about this video a lot these past few months. It has really put things into a new perspective for me. Thank you to both men for this interview.
My dad was just talking about people who ask these kinds of questions! He was complaining about how *he* would ask these questions to youth group leaders, but then be cast aside as if he was trying to drive people *away* from God, when really, all he's trying to do is provide an answer to anyone who points out "problems" in the Bible. His other problem is how so many churches are so focused on a theology that they ignore the most important mission of a church: to build the body of Christ.
I, as a Black Christian nearly cried when the pastor said it's nothing but the grace of God that allowed the slaves to look past their oppressors and see the One true living God.
Thank you Pastor Woodall for being so clear and sharing your convictions concerning the African American Church context. I have enjoyed part l and part ll of you and Matt’s conversation. I think this conversation need to be shared and heard in every context. You and Matt have done a wonderful job at bringing light and clarity to some subjects that are kept in the shade. This is truly a conversation that need to be heard cross-culturally. Thanks again guys for the illumination and the inspiration!
There is a lot of stuff to unpack here. Good stuff. As a Baylor grad who studied in Seminary this is really an interesting take and should lead to a lot of discussions.
I'm not a believer, though I try to live the social and moral teachings of the great man Jesus, and I find your videos incredibly stimulating and valuable. I was raised Roman Catholic, was an altar boy and prospective seminarian, and grew up with many strong prejudices about Protestants of every variety. You are quite a guy, and so are your wide range of guests. Thanks for all this enlightenment.
Driving through TN with my wife right now and keep seeing missionary Baptist churches and literally was wondering a few hours ago what that denomination was, and then I saw this haha. Matt I really like these videos man, every time I see some cool old church I wanna just pull over and check it out and you do such a great job walking us through that and asking great questions. God bless!
I love to watch this series on Sundays. Even though I disagree with other churches' theologies and forms of worship, by watching these videos, I'm able to reflect on my own belief system and grow in my faith. I truly appreciate this opportunity to learn about other faiths in order to discern my own faith. Thank you!
Brother Matt, love this channel! The respect, questions, love you show our Brothers in Christ is uncommon in this age! We do not have to wait until heaven the Kingdom of God is already here lets get to know and celebrate Christ together!
I have been watching your videos about the different denominations and it's amazing how diverse the Body is! I hope to learn more. God bless! Julian from the Philippines.
Here’s a quick story. Years ago myself and three friends took a little vacation trip to New Orleans. We all come from a baptist background and all Latinos young guys. So during our trip we decided to go to a church service. We intentionally found a predominately black church so we can get a real experience yet listen to the word from brothers and sisters. We visited First African Baptist Church on Cesar Chavez street in New Orleans. I must say this video really brought back such a great memory. From the moment we walked in to the second we left, it was such an amazing experience. We were greeted sincerely, saw the fans, sang the hymns and experienced the high energy pastor who preached directly from scripture.
A great interview; insightful questions and illuminating answers. This series is the most enjoyable that I've found on the internet or ever saw on TV. Keep them coming.
I'm so glad you talked to Daylan, Matt. As a benefactor of the Swedish baptist tradition at a church in Washington, it's good to hear from my brothers and sisters down south.
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So grateful not just that you visited a predominantly black church, but for the specific questions you asked. It's not every day that you hear white Christians put their finger on why black people may have issues with Christianity. I hope one day you make it to Philly and other Northeast cities and the many different "flavors" of black churches. As a black church geek, I love your overall format.
What’s your opinion on the Ethiopian church
Another great pastor who has his priorities set on serving his community and delivering the Gospel.
As an African American Roman Catholic in the south in one of the first AA Catholic churches in Rich VA, I want to thank you for this video. As a man in ministry myself who has worked in a predominantly white parish and worked within an Hispanic parish and now works at a predominantly AA parish, I have a passion for racial reconciliation and this video knocked that passion clean out of the park! Blessings to you and the work that you do.
Race is irrellevant when we are united through Christ! Love from a norwegian catholic
@@solberg7049 this is true, but unfortunately attitudes from a lot of people in society hasn't changed. And sadly centuries of damage can't be undone or fixed in a few decades.
As such while race is irrelevant in Christ, it still affects the lives of many people, so Christians should support and defend their siblings in Christ of different races and not dismiss or ignore their struggles, BECAUSE we're united in Christ and race shouldn't be a source of struggle for fellow Christians.
Love, a UK Orthodox Christian
@@RevengeOfIjapa centuries of damage? Please elaborate. Last I checked Africans, haitians, dominicans, jamaicans all from dirt poor developing countries are immigrating here and LOVING IT. You saying african americans are worse off than their 3rd world counterparts? Immigrant blacks are actually very conservative, more religious and far higher rates of nuclear family. I hope the next pope is from Africa....because the dont tolerate nonsense. None.
M. R. I’m not sure what your point is, TBH
@@RevengeOfIjapa Agreed!
This man is amazing. No-one has ever been able to explain the essence of African American Christian spirituality to me as much as Pastor Woodall has. Thank you!
Amen! And brother there is sooooooo much more. Africans have had our own Christian traditions for 2,000 years. Chreck out the Ancient Nubian Christian church, the Ethiopian Orthodox and church Father St. Augustine's own Alexandrian Christian Rite (Western Orthodox Catholic). As an African Catholic I am proud of the long story of African influence some prayers in the current form of the Catholic Lord's Supper (the Eucharist). We been here for a long time and have our own unique experience of the gospel and understanding from our culture and history. god bless you!
@@RedRiverMan Thank you, Chris! Very well said. Greetings from Toronto, Canada.
"Different styles of worship, attract different people." THANK YOU..THANK YOU..THANK YOU!!!
That which unites us (Jesus) is so much greater than that which divides us.
"It (The Council of Florence, 1441) firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart “into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels” [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church."
@@arkinthedark3674
Yes...And?
Any institution (including The Roman Catholic Church) that has been around for 2000 years can make pronouncements that are...silly. For that matter you can (very easily) find Protestants who have written/said the most insanely stupid things about the Church Of Rome.
HISTORY...HISTORY...HISTORY. What was going on in 1441? Does the name Jan Hus ring a bell? That is what the The Council of Florence was all about. Rome was trying to hold onto power, and it worked for 100 years or so. Then The Spirit moved at the right time and the reformation happened.
I am of the belief that the Reformation was the best thing that happened to the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church at that time was incredibly corrupt. The Church (the Body Of Christ) was in dire need of Change.
BTW I was raised Roman Catholic, and many of my family still are. In its 2000 years of existence Rome has done many good and wonderful things...and many despicable things.
"God Has A Plan...and I Trust Him."
Ruth Graham.
@@stevenwiederholt7000 Bla bla bla, Matthew 16:18, bla bla bla
@@arkinthedark3674
Whatever.
@@arkinthedark3674 I don't get it.
What's the point you're trying to make??
"I think there's more to God than they're telling me."
Wow. That line resonated with me so intensely that my eyes watered.
Let’s say there is a god and that this god has a desire to communicate with humanity. Doesn’t it seem odd that god would rely upon a communication methodology that would result in defective communication such that someone would say: “I think there’s more to god than THEY are telling me” Imo, a god that is powerful enough to create the universe should also be sufficiently wise to create something better than the Bible and all of the extraordinarily diverse churches from which we must choose.
@@MrArdytube What credibility do you possess for telling us what would be a wise way for God to communicate with the best results for eternity? Furthermore, since when does an element of mystery prevent us from the benefits of knowledge? (All knowledge has elements of mystery, including science.)
Aside from those questions, the Bible cannot be understood reliably and credibly all by itself. It is not God's *only* way of communication. There's a mountain of study you could do on this. I prefer Catholic sources, but C.S. Lewis can also be quite good.
@@MrArdytube A good question...from the viewpoint of Christianity though, the defective nature of the communication is in the recipients, not the method, as our free-will departure from the creator has corrupted our ability to understand. God's revelation does not have to be imperfect to be limited by our flawed reception of it. The kick of the human condition is that we need our will and individuality to have any identity and agency in the universe (which our sufficiently wise creator gave us), but by definition those qualities also make it impossible for every broken individual to receive perfect understanding in exactly the same way. It is a logical impossibility unless we were made uniform automatons, which would defeat God's expressed purpose in making us as bearers of his Image. In short, we must be flawed and unique to be worth existing - otherwise there would be only one human being and endless duplicates, without identity or potential - and what is lost in translation is due to our inherently necessary permutations.
@@MrArdytubeYou’re missing the point, nothing worth having comes without effort, part of the beauty is learning how to understand what God wants us to know from those more experienced and from the scriptures he’s given us, the method isn’t the issue, our interpretations at times are. What would you suggest as an alternative some method that doesn’t require effort? Or discipline? Or growth? You may as well be a body builder complaining that one has to workout and lift progressively heavier loads to build muscle part of the process is the hard part.
“Be careful what you do
Watch your words,
Watch your deeds,
For you may be the only Bible
That somebody ever reads”
Brilliant.
Mike Trent I love this!
John Maldaner The pastor said this, and I loved it so much that I had to quote it.
Brilliant!
Our pastor preaches that regularly.
I really appreciate that you go to these churches and ask questions. I really appreciated that MY church tradition was explained to you!
Thanks! It's a beautiful and enormously thoughtful tradition, and I'm better for having learned about it.
I do too. But liked this one the least. I couldnt even finish watching it. Too much talk about race. Time to either let go of the past or dont give anyone a platform who keeps digging at the sore.
I really enjoyed learning about this tradition. This short video really helped me understand this tradition much much better.
@@1974jrod I understand it can be frustrating, but I think everyones lives are shaped in a major way by the color of their skin, so I feel like it can be a very healthy and healing thing to talk about those topics openly. To me, this was the most interesting video of the series so far.
@@1974jrod Dare you to learn from the conversation rather than give up on it. The past continues to shape every person throughout their life, and likewise every society throughout its existence. It would be absurd to try and picture a culture that is not informed in any way by its origins or background. Not only that, but racism and the scar tissue of slavery continue right now to be visible and extremely relevant in the American South, but easy to gloss over if not something you personally experience. As someone who lives there, I've been deeply grieved to hear Christian brothers rationalize ungodly bigotry to this very day, from individuals up to denominational conventions, and I can absolutely tell you this is not an obsolete issue nor just an old past wound. Our repentance from the collective sins discussed in this video has been incomplete and half-hearted, and it would be painfully naive for American believers to keep lying to themselves that it's someone else's problem to "let go of." There is ALWAYS something to learn from another person's experience, and if millions of people continue to attest the truth of a shared experience, it might be high time to stop dismissing and start listening. I have had to do the same over the last few years, after a long period of denial, but I'm grateful now that it was required of me.
I feel like most of what I know about other denominations comes from this series - keep it up!
Man I love this video series and I love this pastor.
I'm from eastern Europe, my cultural background is completely different, so it was very interesting to watch and listen to the pastor talking. Thank you for this great video!
One of the best interviews of all time!!!! As a Catholic I can see how adaptable the Gospel is to different realities.
Beautiful!!!!!
Thank you very, very much!!!!!!!!
As a Southern Baptist, this man says exactly the same stuff I have heard/saw/had preached in church my entire life. Same baptistry, same everything. The theology is exactly the same, but even the time and ushering and importance of welcoming and showing love. This is so awesome. Would love to go there at some point. Brother Daylan, if you read this and I'm in Alabama, be expecting this Ky white boy because you are awesome, I love you, and thank you for what you do.
"(It is) Nothing, but the grace of God that allows us to see Himself in the people that are fall, broken, sinful examples of Himself." -- Pastor Daylan Woodall
This is the quote that resonated with me the most... He articulated clearly what I think this series and channel are about. And it is precisely that grace that I hope pushes past any of our ignorance or caricatures and is caught by the people peering into our proverbial Church windows. I can say with confidence, there is much more to our Creator than what you’re hearing.
"It's nothing but the grace of God that allows us to see Himself in people that are fallen, broken, sinful examples of Himself." Amen.
That guy is so full off the Spirit! I love this channel! Greetings and love from Scotland!
full of the spirit of a broken slave
With so many references to Reformed churches and the reformed tradition, you should think about interviewing some Reformed Presbyterians or Reformed Baptists.
Also, this is by far my favorite channel on 'the TH-cams'. Great to see so much engagement with those outside your faith tradition.
You should do a pole/survey of different denominations of your subscribers / audience.
I was raised Southern Baptist and baptised, and Pastor Woodall makes me want to finally come back to church. I strayed away and I want to feel the love I once felt, thank you for these videos.
I love how Pastor Daylan is so passionate about God and about his Faith. He's so well read up and prayed up and I aspire to be like that. God Bless!
This German Lutheran LCMS boy has been following you for a while and has enjoyed every moment. I have not agreed with everything but have been more and more convinced of Paul's doctrine of the Body of Christ. Our Creator made us all different and yet all in His Image (can you say conundrum?) so it stands to reason that we see him differently. My brother in Christ, please keep on keepin' on. May His blessings overflow your cup and pour on more and more of His creatures.
Being welcomed at a church is the hardest part of finding a new church. It's so hard to want to come back when you feel unwelcome.
You should go to a Native American church.
Leftists: Abomination! They should stick to their old believes.
@@sienkiewiczmonika1161 many of the Native tribes beliefs were very Christian in essence. I have attended church on the Navajo reservation in Arizona and New Mexico and they do bring a lot of their spirituality into their services. I was called a true Christian by a Navajo elder because I respected and observed their traditions and culture.
He could head up to Alaska and check the box Native American and Orthodox. I attended a parish in AK that was predominately Native Alaskan and we prayed the Lord's Prayer in the language of all the represented groups in the parish. It was really awe-inspiring.
They had those fans at the church I grew up on. Brings back good memories.
"The only way to make someone feel welcome is to take action". Such an important truth. Thank you to you both for being willing to have good faith in one another, so that we can all benefit from this beautiful meeting. And thank you, Matt, for putting yourself out there to learn more. I know that I have learned so much from these sessions! It is wonderful.
"...Faith, if it doesn't have works, is dead by itself." James 2 : 17. I want to be clear: Works do not save us, only our faith by grace in Jesus Christ saves us. But is a faith that shows no manifestation in our live real? Yes, actions prove our faith!
All are the same when we are brothers and sisters in Christ, "there is no Jew nor Greek"
This isn't what they are talking about though
@@babyfacedkayos yeah I know, I was just making it clear to those who might think otherwise but I get what u r saying
Galatians 3.28
Wonderful!! I love that the pastor enfacised the life of Christ. It was his life that makes Him so relatable.
He was tempted in all such as we are, yet without sin!!
My wife and I grew up in the Baptist and Evangelical free church denominations and are now Orthodox and I showed her your video when you visited the Orthodox church and she said, "Oh yeah, this has been recommended on my page a lot but I just thought he was going to be really obnoxious about it so I never watched it." We were both pleasantly surprised in your demeanor, transparency, and consideration in that conversation.
Also, it would be really awesome if you could talk to Fr. Josiah Trenham in Riverside, CA. A conversation between you two would be priceless!
“Unction” comes from a traditional hymn/ prayer. "Veni Creator Spiritus" ("Come Creator Spirit") believed to have been written by Rabanus Maurus in the 9th century. I found this prayer on a catholic website and thought it was so beautiful. Here is part of the prayer:
“You who are called the Paraclete,
Best gift of God above,
The living spring, the living fire,
Sweet unction and true love.”
1 John 2:20
King James Version
20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all
This interview made me want to cry. The story of this church and its people is powerful. What a beautiful thing that Christ can turn such a dark and horrible part of history into something good. Just like the cross and the resurrection.
I know you’ve talked about your differences with them, but I would love to see you have a conversation with a Pentecostal/Charismatic pastor.
This video is so important! Thanks for attempting this video topic and succeeding. You are truly pushing the true personality and love of Jesus with your art.
Thank you Milford!
@@MattWhitmanTMBH Again, thank you for your art and ministry. I have learned so much from your channel. Glad I gave it a chance
10:10 this whole part reminded me a bit of Romans 5:10
"For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life."
N.T. Wright also says we sometimes treat the Gospel as if it were only about the birth, death, and Resurrection and forget about the whole 33 years in between.
@@sploden I agree that Romans 5:10 is being taken out of context there, but I still strongly agree with the sentiment. I'd say Hebrews 2:14-18 is a bit more relevant to His life on earth. The life of Christ that he lived here is important to meditate upon as well as his brith, death, and resurrection. Personally, I find His substitutionary death to be the most important out of them all though.
Anointed and spirit-filled pastor. Thank you for being you.
Matt, You and Pastor Daylan knocked it out of the park! As a member of the Catholic Community in Northern Alabama, I love the honesty and cantor of the questions and the answers. I would love to worship with Pastor Daylan anytime in my church or His. Simply awesome!
This is definitely one of my favorite ones! He was so real and truthful, and you can tell he loves his church and Jesus!
Videos like this make me so proud to be a patron.
I genuinely believe this is an important and redemptive video that I am so glad exists. It ministered to me and I know it will others.
Thank you for doing what you do Matt.
Before I even finish watching this I first have to say, CONGRATS! 100k subs, that’s incredible! It’s been amazing to see the growth on this channel. Looking forward to seeing how God continues to use this channel
Best of these interview videos so far, Matt! I really feel like I understand the Missionary Baptist perspective a lot more, as well as why the worship style is different. Could have listened to you and Pastor Woodall for a couple more hours, always a good sign. Cheers, and keep witnessing! :)
What a wonderful conversation.
And what fantastic pastor.
I love the way he thinks, relates and articulates the truth given to him.
Powerful.
I loved this!!!! Raising my family in the south. We moved churches so we could take our neighbor kiddos with us. Then we filled the pews! It starts with us individually every day. Love.
What I really like about Woodall is that you can see how he has completely integrated good rhetorical training into his way of speaking. Everything comes out really well and polished, he constantly uses classic repeating duals ("faith and belief") and trials ("to do X and to do Y and to do Z"), even the intonation is perfectly modulated. It makes it really fun to listen to, aside from how sympathetic he is anyway
Excellent conversation, Matt. Pastor Daylan is very likeable and gracious. If I lived in Decatur, I'd want to go to his church. Must be great people there.
I love this pastor! He is so articulate and speaks with wisdom. I love how he explains thing.
I think this is your best interview yet. I learned so much!
37:57 "intellectually credible, theologically credible . . ." -- By this point in the conversation, I certainly knew that this man, Pastor Woodall, is brilliant and a careful, astute theologian. Everything about him shows it. Thank you, Matt, for introducing him to us.
This has been incredibly educational! I'm an adult with little religious background and I've been having a very hard time choosing which church to visit. One of my top choices of ones I've wanted to try is a predominantly black Baptist church in my area. I've been watching their streams and the church seems so welcoming and friendly and positive, which is SO different than the few churches I've been to as a kid. One thing I was afraid of is my presence being a distraction to the normal congregations worship, something I've feared about visiting every single church on the list I've made across all denominations. I was afraid that based not only on what I look like, but also my own education level on the Christian faith that I'd do something wrong, or I wouldn't know what to do, or I wouldn't be welcome. This video has been INCREDIBLY helpful, and so have the others I've watched on the other denominations. Thank you Matt Whitman! Keep up the good work, because I know i'm not the only one out there that's really trying to LEARN!
Pastor Woodall, you are a shining example of God's grace and wisdom.
This was such a profoundly valuable interaction to watch. I truly felt touched.
Loved this guy. Amazing testimony. Amazing Grace.
Man I really love your content, and your humility..... God bless you brother! Looking forward to more videos!!
Clicked on youtube and this was uploaded 50 seconds ago. Good to see a new video Matt, love the channel and the podcast x
Thanks Colby!
Wow...I just find Pastor Daylan so captivating. He's so intelligent and articulate. I certainly gained a new perspective from him. Thank you so much for doing this series.
This was an amazing interview. I learned so much about his perspective and it busted many of my misconceptions. Keep up the great work!
Dusting off the life of Christ and letting it shine. What a concept. Amen, and amen.
This series should be required viewing for Evangelicals. So, so good, and so honest about the state of the church today. Man, I am a huge fan after two days of watching your work. THANK YOU. You give me hope for the church. I wish I could hug you. But virtually, because I have personal space issues.
This was a great interview. I never thought about the points this articulate pastor made . I live in Birmingham so I’m just down the road from him . ✌🏼
I live in Bibb County small world
This is an incredible conversation, I learnt so much. God Bless You.
I live 45 minutes from Decatur...I want to.visit this church...awesome video...thank you
It was a pleasure to listen to this Pastor, very articulate and insightful. Thank you for making these videos!
Excellent discussion. And the point Pastor Woodall made about shaking hands, looking the person in the eye and asking them their name is spot on. I would love to have some extended conversation with both of you. I'm a white Southerner of vintage age and have lived through the beginnings and outcomes of the civil rights movement. Although I was born and raised in Florida, my mother was from Troy, Alabama, not far from Decatur and I've spent a good bit of time in that beautiful state. I plead guilty to having been prejudiced, and to some extent, still am, but ... my core belief is: red, brown, yellow, black or white, Jesus loves us ALL. And I agree with the comment from Dan Helms as well as many of the others. My personal opinion is that we all have a story and we need to listen to each other's stories so that we can understand one another and love one another better. It has to be a two-way conversation, not a recitation of points, positions and grievances. ALL of us have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and unless redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb, deserve Hell. No one is righteous. Not one. Only by the Grace of God can we reconcile our differences. And that is my prayer.
Gotta love the black church, great conversation!
Man, I really want to visit this guy's church. I live in Birmingham AL and go to Church of the Highlands (a supposed 'mega' church) that has a very diverse congregation. As a white guy who works in a very diverse company, with a military background serving with a diverse group of peers, and a diverse population of friends from my childhood, it is easy to forget how segregated things still can be. This was a joy to watch!
I recently discovered your channel and have been busy catching up with your older stuff. Just wanted to say how much I appreciate your content! I love your practical and intelligent approach to examining the Bible and the sincere heart with which you approach the many differences within Christianity. It is so refreshing to see you engage with people of different backgrounds while emphasizing the unity of the Christian faith as a whole. I think most believers have been taught the concept of the body of Christ as it applies narrowly to our own congregation; but you have shed light on the fact that even our denominational differences have their own function in the greater body. Thank you for sharing with us!
He is so so gracious it is heartwarming! One of my favorites.
well that was awesome. very good video Matt, that didn't feel like 40 minutes. ha.
also, I gotta say I love that shirt with the backwards bike.
Wow! Amazing conversation. Being from a Southern Baptist background and still having some of the same leanings, it was great to see this. With all of the promises we are going to hear this year from others, this is a great example of what we can do to heal our country and glorify God.
Took a few attempts, but here you are verbatim.
"There are two ways to make someone feel rejected. One would be to overtly reject them. The other would be to do nothing. Inaction is rejection. But there is only one way to make someone feel welcome, and that is action."
Impromptu wisdom (the best kind) Matt Whitman 2020
What an amazing message that is applicable both inside and outside the church. People have a need to feel “seen, noticed and welcome”. Those words will reverberate with me for a long time.
This is awesome. Thank God for Daylan and Matt! Ya'll are doing God's work.
Excellent example of Godly work to draw us closer to each other to glorify the Son our Lord Jesus Christ! Bravo Matt - Hallelujah!
The only problem with "Hey, welcome to our church!" is that often a church can have so many different services that the response can sometimes be, "Actually, I've been going here a year." Awkward!
Been there, done that.
Then just go with, "I don't think we've met before." and give your name.
@@TimothyFish That is a wonderful suggestion. This statement covers so many bases, and honestly is a little more welcoming, more open to starting a dialogue about them, which is the whole reason we're going up to them anyway
We need more people like the 2 of you in this world!
My favorite video so far. Such an open and honest conversation. Love this pastor.
Really enjoyed this video!!! Really appreciate your effort to answer the tough question that we face in this country as believers. Really appreciate your Grace throughout the conversation. Really enjoyed your openness and honesty throughout the video. Thank you so much....
I can't LIKE this video enough. Matt and Pastor Daylan are as real as it gets. I could listen to hours of these conversations.
Excellent installment as always, and very informative, and spiritual. This has answered some of my questions as to why there is a black Christian, or black Baptist church; it has always been my belief, and this is how I was brought up, that God, in His infinite wisdom, created different colors among mankind but did not intend for there to be such divisiveness, and it is only mankind's pettiness that is the motivation to dominate others. I guess that will always be the way. This was really uplifting. God wants us all to put aside our pettiness, and revel in His glory, His creation, together.
I’ve been thinking about this video a lot these past few months. It has really put things into a new perspective for me. Thank you to both men for this interview.
That was the best one yet! It opened my eyes and my ears thank you.
My dad was just talking about people who ask these kinds of questions! He was complaining about how *he* would ask these questions to youth group leaders, but then be cast aside as if he was trying to drive people *away* from God, when really, all he's trying to do is provide an answer to anyone who points out "problems" in the Bible.
His other problem is how so many churches are so focused on a theology that they ignore the most important mission of a church: to build the body of Christ.
I'm happy you don't ignore the important questions. Great video.
I, as a Black Christian nearly cried when the pastor said it's nothing but the grace of God that allowed the slaves to look past their oppressors and see the One true living God.
Matt, this is so great. Thanks for the two of you for having this open dialogue. 👍
Started watching this, looked up, and it was almost done! This felt the way it SHOULD be done....just loved it! May your ministries be blessed!
Thank you Pastor Woodall for being so clear and sharing your convictions concerning the African American Church context. I have enjoyed part l and part ll of you and Matt’s conversation. I think this conversation need to be shared and heard in every context. You and Matt have done a wonderful job at bringing light and clarity to some subjects that are kept in the shade. This is truly a conversation that need to be heard cross-culturally. Thanks again guys for the illumination and the inspiration!
Wow; this pastor is light years ahead of so many pastors regarsless of race in the US. Brilliant man; loved every minute listening to him
There is a lot of stuff to unpack here. Good stuff. As a Baylor grad who studied in Seminary this is really an interesting take and should lead to a lot of discussions.
I'm not a believer, though I try to live the social and moral teachings of the great man Jesus, and I find your videos incredibly stimulating and valuable. I was raised Roman Catholic, was an altar boy and prospective seminarian, and grew up with many strong prejudices about Protestants of every variety. You are quite a guy, and so are your wide range of guests. Thanks for all this enlightenment.
Driving through TN with my wife right now and keep seeing missionary Baptist churches and literally was wondering a few hours ago what that denomination was, and then I saw this haha. Matt I really like these videos man, every time I see some cool old church I wanna just pull over and check it out and you do such a great job walking us through that and asking great questions. God bless!
I love to watch this series on Sundays. Even though I disagree with other churches' theologies and forms of worship, by watching these videos, I'm able to reflect on my own belief system and grow in my faith.
I truly appreciate this opportunity to learn about other faiths in order to discern my own faith. Thank you!
Brother Matt, love this channel! The respect, questions, love you show our Brothers in Christ is uncommon in this age! We do not have to wait until heaven the Kingdom of God is already here lets get to know and celebrate Christ together!
Wonderful interview! So glad you asked all the questions and so sppreciate his answers! Thanks to both of you!
I have been watching your videos about the different denominations and it's amazing how diverse the Body is! I hope to learn more. God bless! Julian from the Philippines.
"Inaction is rejection." Well said.
Here’s a quick story. Years ago myself and three friends took a little vacation trip to New Orleans. We all come from a baptist background and all Latinos young guys. So during our trip we decided to go to a church service. We intentionally found a predominately black church so we can get a real experience yet listen to the word from brothers and sisters. We visited First African Baptist Church on Cesar Chavez street in New Orleans. I must say this video really brought back such a great memory. From the moment we walked in to the second we left, it was such an amazing experience. We were greeted sincerely, saw the fans, sang the hymns and experienced the high energy pastor who preached directly from scripture.
This was very interesting and I learned a lot.
This may be one of the best videos I've ever seen. I really enjoyed it.
A great interview; insightful questions and illuminating answers. This series is the most enjoyable that I've found on the internet or ever saw on TV. Keep them coming.
Thank you so much for this beautiful and thoughtful conversation!
I'm so glad you talked to Daylan, Matt. As a benefactor of the Swedish baptist tradition at a church in Washington, it's good to hear from my brothers and sisters down south.