I am 77 years young and still have my Machinery's Handbook. I used it often during my career from technician through VP of Engineering & Technology and finally, Pres of a company. Thx for the vlogs and content! God bless!
Just loved this video! I am a bookofile. When I was at the power plant they gave me an old copy of the " The Machinist's Handbook". Wow what a reference! Just learned about a few more from you. I will look for these at book sales and old book stores. Thanks Lyle !!
Any of the old instructional books published by Audel's are also somewhat useful, and cover many technical fields. Although some appear to be rather introductory, they are generally cheaply had at garage sales, flea markets, etc. Recently, an industrial trainer for a large local municipality was searching our larea for any old copies he could find. They use them for designing industrial training programs. The Baumeister-Marks handbook was especially valuable to me when I took the exam to become licensed as a Registered Professional Engineer. It was the only book I used. Yes. I passed. Books obtained through an inheritance are particularly valuable to me, mostly for sentimental reasons. I have old books from my great-grandfather's apprenticeship as a carpenter (at the beginning of the twentieth century) and also my father's old law library (from the early-middle 1960's). It's nice to see pencil their notations in these books that are an enduring record of their thoughts at the time.
Computerized inventory programs used by libraries have resulted in me being able to buy all sorts of books cheaply. I always go to eBay and search for what ever I am looking for and more often than not a copy shows up for less than $4.00 with book rate shipping included. They are library cast offs complete with the protective plastic over the dust cover and all of the library stamps, tags and markings. The libraries run the program every so often and find no one has checked out War and Peace in a couple of years so it gets deep sixed to make room for Video Gaming for Idiots or some other contemporary literary monument. The same program has contributed to the death of many Mom and Pop hardware stores. They computerize the inventory and find that no one has bought a 1/4" black iron street elbow in five years, so they get rid of what they have and don't order any more. Then I come in, can't find one get, frustrated and decide to shop else where. Competition from the big box stores (they use the same program, don't have the odd ball stuff either, but have volume sales on their side) played the biggest part of the small stores disappearance but the inventory control has been part of it in my opinion (which isn't worth much). Around here, the small hardware stores that have survived are the ones with an inventory of dust covered merchandise along with the faster moving stuff. Thanks for another good video.
the best hardware store and the best plumbing store where I am both still have handwritten paper invoices for every sale. And 10x the dust covered stock you would normally see
Lyle. One important thing worth mentioning ... regardless of the age of the book a lot of the information is proven and doesn't change with time. PS it occurred to me that all this Ebay activity you are engaged in should be carried out with caution. You could be running the risk of disobeying your own mantra and end up without ENOUGH TOOLS.
I'm definitely a book guy. Both of my parents were librarians, so it's in my blood. I'm with you, the smell, feel, sound, everything about a book is special. Thanks.
Howdy from Texas! Just wanted to say thank you Sir for all the things I have learned while enjoying your videos. You are truly a shop teacher! God Bless
I studied to be a mechanical draftsman in 1967 and the very first thing we were told was, "buy a copy of the Machinery Handbook," which I dutifully did. We used it daily when we were told to draw a particular part such as a nut, bolt, gear, etc. I still have it and I have my brothers later edition (1980's I think) that he used when he retrained as a draftsman when he suffered a back injury. I treasure them both but I know my kids won't care a wit about them when it is time for me to downsize. Loved your video, other books I never heard about.
Fuller's Earth... We used it in the brake bands of our cranes on clam shell work.. Makes a brake hold with less effort on the brake pedal and the load will slide exactly as you want it to...It is also good in a friction that does not want to pull the load....
Hello Mr. Pete My edition is number Seventeen printed in 1966. I managed a OEM Power Transmission Business from the mid eighties, used mt Bible almost every day, gear cutting, spline cutting, precision grinding,etc, etc. I always found everything I wanted. Now retired and making clocks, still use it....
I’m a lover of books myself. Over the years I’ve built a pretty nice library of vintage technical books. Lovely collection you have there. Thanks for another great video.
For a time I operated in the outer fringe of the machinist's world, mostly appliance repair. The go- to manuals I used were published by Howard W. Sams, now SAMS Technical Publishing.
Lyle, Thanks For Taking Time To Show These Treasures Of Yesteryear. I'd Much Rather Look Through These Books For Something I'm Looking For Than To Try To Find It On The Internet. Actually I Can Find It Many Times Faster In A Book Then I Can On The Computer. I Have To Laugh Because This New Fangled Age Really Believes They Have It Over Us Old Timers. Thanks Again, John
Remember, "old timers" built the computer. Younger people don't realize this while they belittle older people for not being "with the times". Meanwhile Bill Gates is twice their age....
My first Machinery's Handbook was the 21st edition (1979) when I worked in the Industrial Woodworking Machinery industry as a design engineer. I then went back to the Defense industry and retired in 2014. Things I needed to look up while in the machinery business were mostly there, but still lacking things I thought should be there. In the defense industry, it was almost useless, couldn't find 85% of the things I went to it to find. I had to develop my own resources.
Thanks Mr Pete. I'm with you on liking an old book better than an old mouse. I'll keep an eye out for some of those. I have accumulated about half of them. Have a great day.
My main reference is the black book, just because it’s easier. But the two most used items in my shop is the vintage drill and tap chart, it hangs on one of the doors and I refer to it almost daily. Also the decimal equivalent chart the other thing I use often. I went to eBay and purchased a older edition of Machinery’s Handbook for the simple reason the work I do at home it is appropriate for my shop. I do have a promotional Valenite book that I had for years that a rep handed me it is in my tool box. Another great video
I wish I had seen this two weeks ago. I had forgotten that I had picked up two of the other books years ago at a junk shop. But the pain is that I just poneyd up for the new machinerys handbook.🙄
Wonderful Survey. I have used all these books professionally and "in the basement" A great read to add context is Fred Colvin's 60 years with men and machines. You will find it at estate sales and ebay along with numerous Aircraft Mechanics Handbooks published in the WWII era.
One thing I love about books, is that special smell and feel when you flip the pages...!!! Still have some older references that are almost unused... Always keepers, though... ;)
You're not violating any copyrights showing a brief sample contents of the books. I don't claim to be an lawyer, did stay at Holiday Inn though. My first Machinery's Handbook was the 20th edition. It's tucked away in my Gerstner tool chest. I don't recall all the one's I've collected over the years, I know I have a 5th edition a co-worker gave me several years ago that belonged to a family member. My latest is the 30th edition on CD ROM. I like the electronic version, it allows you to print off a page that you can draw out to the shop to use and not worry about messing up you nice desk edition with the elements of the shop. The other references you mention I have except for the Kent and the last one mentioned. The American Machinery's handbook, I managed to buy all 8 editions if it over the years, lot of old steam locomotive and train stuff listed in it. Wonder if it was for the railroad machinists/mechanics than general machinists? Enjoy your videos and my daily shop lessons I get from you. Ken S.
Current edition of Machinery's Handbook is 30th. price: $109.95 from Industrial Press, the publisher. I think I paid about $35 for my 23rd decades ago. I still refer to it often for thread data, etc.
I have a first addition machinist hand book , I've been in the trade most of my working life and I found this particular machinist hand book years ago at a garage sale FYI thanks .
I would pay good money to be able to spend an afternoon with you sir, and I'm sure I would feel it was money well spent! Thank you with all sincerity for what you do.
Hey Lyle, I have an eight edition handbook from 1930, which I refer to all the time. I find the older books have the information that I need rather than the newer editions as they tend to deal with the most modern of engineering details. I use contact cement (Weldwood) for repairing my books, they last a little longer. Great video, thumbs up.
Mr Pete . I found a very interesting video about heavy machines and engineering from the 1930's .Look at "Sulzer in the 1930s" . Very well done old video.And I have learned a lot from you in the last few years I have watched . Thank you for that.
Mr. Pete, I have the 22nd edition of the Machinery's Handbook that you have. When I bought my Southbend lathe in 1985, my father bought me a copy to go with it. He was a turret lathe machinist at GE. He worked on parts for marine steam turbines for ships. I bought a large print edition of the 29th about 6 years ago. Far easier to read. A friend gave me a late 1940's edition of the Stanley and Colvin book. I have found it had some info not in the Machinery's Handbook. I have bought a number of technical and trade books for 1 or 2 dollars at our library. They seem to feel they are there for entertainment rather than learning these days.
When I first got interested in machining, I went looking to buy a Macinery's Handbook and I found it difficult to understand all the different editions of the book. There's a Toolbox edition, a Large Print edition, a Guide to Macinery's Handbook, and more. I had trouble understanding what was on offer from eBay and used book stores. I have pretty much sorted it out by now. However, I wonder if other newcomers to the craft might suffer from the same confusion. It would be great if you could take some time to explain the different editions on your channel sometime? As always, many thanks for sharing your knowledge as well as your sense of humorr.
It would be interesting to know just how Gerstner and Kennedy came to make that drawer that exactly fits the Machinery's Handbook..perhaps that is how that particular book became the standard and the others have gone by the wayside by comparison. Very interesting, Thanks! Mr. Pete! :-)
You are lucky to have only one old eye, I have two old eyes. I donated my Machinery Handbook because I really never had a use for it, and was one of those things I just had to have. :-) ....
I've got the companion to the Kent manual. It's the design and production volume. Picked it up at a used book dealer in Boston years ago. Really cool info in it as well. I like old books almost as much as I like old tools.
I have the seventh edition of the American Machinists handbook 1940 edition and it is a very good reference book. The engineers black book is my general go to book and one thing i like is the stain proof pages as I don’t have to worry about soiling the pages . Starrett also have an app for your phone or ipad but i cant remember if it had reference charts or not but i do remember something about how to use various measuring tools . Thanks for the informative and entertaining video mrpete !
Very nice library of reference materials. I'm like Captain Kirk and Lyle Peterson, I love books. I can't stand to try to read a document off a computer screen. 'Til next time.
Lyle, I too like books over digital medium, however I do prefer both. Main reason the digital medium I can print out a page and take it to where ever I am working and it can get all soiled up and not ruin a good book. But I am with you on this... I like a book for reference.. it is amazing just to thumb though the wealth of information. Also a book is not dependent on batteries to work.
Thank you for your information, I own a black book and some other books they are really handy. I'm trying to find information or videos on handy make up tools, tools that will make my job easier so if you know any it would be a great help if you could mybe make a video on some of the tools you've made.
Thank you again for many good videos. If anybody has a problem regard the copy protected material you show (T=04:45), just remember "the Fair Use Clause by the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976", which allows you to use copyrighted materials for the purpose of commentary, criticism and/or for educational use. Keep up the good work. Jim.
Keep an eye out for very old reference books. They have information that is often edited out (book size constraints) of newer publications. Back in the day, machinists and shops had to make tools and equipment that were very hard to come by commercially. You can find tips and work-arounds useful for the basement machinist as well as job shops in these books... just don't cringe when the instructions call for 1 pound of powdered asbestos to repair cracks in your heat treat furnace.
I used to call my copy of the Morse pocket size: "My Little Book With Everything I Know." (I still have it hanging over my lathe by a loop of wire through the spiral binding.)
Never heard of the Tool Engineers book. Thanks. Will be on the search for it. Use to be able to open Machinery's Handbook to the exact page needed. Used almost every item except the math tables (calculator). Now haven't touched in 10 years. Internet has almost all needed.
I have a 1958 copy of American Machinist magazine that has an Ad fornthe copy of American Machinist handbook I've got. It was an expensive book, $8-9 in 1958. The ad even mentioned that financing was available
Hi Mr Pete ! And in our country there was a lot of tehnical books for mecheanical using especialy translated fro russian or germany. In so called socialist countries, we use books so colled STAS, in Romania, GOST, in Soviet Union or DIN in Germany, maybe ASTM in United States, with all detail of every things
I bought the Morse cutting tool booklet and its companion on tapping for a buck apiece back in the '70's. 90% of the time I get the info I need from them, without dragging out Machinery's Handbook. One thing I've found useful in the Morse tapping booklet is the table which shows the per cent of thread for a given tap by using different size tap drills. If I'm tapping a difficult to machine material , i might use an oversize tap drill to spare the tap and ME. If 60% thread will do the job , why grunt to get 75%? Or , grunt/SNAP? Tom
Thanks for the video Mr. Pete, I just ordered a 17th edition off ebay, i got already a 26th as pdf file but i find it also easier to find things from a paper book. I'm a really fast reader since I learned to read at age of 3 so i don't like the more slow feeling of reading the e-book.
I like and watch all of your videos. Good stuff, aways learn something. I have the 26th edition of machanist handbook on DVD. When I find what I'm looking for I can make the fonts any size I want, of which I need. Thank for all of your great lessons.
Thanks for another interesting video. I was hoping you were going to explain the purpose of the machinery handbook "guides". I just picked one up for peanuts, and haven't dug into it yet. It appears like a condensed version of the full book.
I learned in good confidence from a *great teacher* that the center drawer in the machinist chest is not for the book, but rather it's for your sandwich - No need to bring a second box for lunch! 😉
My apprentice boss back in the 60s told us to by” Mechanics vest pocket reference book” by John H Wolfe supervisor, Apprentice school Ford motor co. Everything I needed was in that book I completely wore it out ,the book comes up on eBay once in a while,it is out of print.Mike mcewen
Do you have "Zeus" books in the states ? Over here they are very common, just a pamphlet you keep in your toolbox or overalls, with all the usual information, trigonometry, tapping drill sizes, thread information etc.
Thanks very much for the very useful information in this video, and also for your large catalogue of other informative videos. Keep up the good work. Regards from Down Under. IA Melbourne, Australia.
I bought my 11th edition for 25 cents at a book sale. I always get a smile because Laird Bickel (the original owner I presume) listed his age as: 16 and 7/8 :)
I just went to the Engineers Black Book website. Seems the best deal is from Aircraft Spruce with Zoro Tool coming in a close second. Can you believe these are printed in China?
Its funny because i just put mine next to my bed. There is all kind of interesting read there. I figure out what S7 steel is that I have got few weeks before from eBay. Just by accident.
Might be a while before I get to watch it, but I started on the book "The Foundations of Mechanical Accuracy" by Wayne Moore. I think it might be a king document (as I call them).
@@dannyl2598 in the 1950 vs a friend of mine had a standard vanguard with a leaky shaft seal and we used to throw fullers earth on it before going to Blackpool u.k dancing to Ted Heaths orchestra.those were the days
Good stuff Mr. Pete. I have been picking up some of these books and reference booklets over time since you've been showing them. I'm with you on preferring hard copies over digital, they are portable, always available, the batteries never go dead, and with bookmarks your most used data is instantly at your fingertips. You did show us a while ago that center drawer in the Kennedy toolbox is really for your sandwich! ;o) And the top is for placing grandchildren!
no , cant be , this is "Mr. Tubalcain " ? i have so many early books and manuscripts written by " Tubalcain" when i restarted getting back into machine work in my home shop back in the early 90's . well ill be danged . thank you
mr.pete books we have a giant library for watchmakers this is a lot of what you have to do to learn watchmaking. Green book F-4 Phantom Vietnam (watched my dad at work making the parts and that book was there). You are too young to know that whole book just yet Lyle, we will give you more time to read up, LOL.. The H. Gerstner tool chest top box does hold the book upright, as you say, our drawer has one in it some book anyways. We do not have the Black Book, will place it on the list. I am still training on the use of my teacher mr.pete222 share about the Optical Center Punch (went with Flexbar brand). Lance & Patrick.
Thank you for the comment. I hope you show your library sometime in a video. You sure are up early today. I enjoyed you and Patrick yesterday and your latest video. Those were some nice packages that you opened up you can see that your channel is picking up. You guys are doing a great job love the banter at the beginning.
I am 77 years young and still have my Machinery's Handbook. I used it often during my career from technician through VP of Engineering & Technology and finally, Pres of a company. Thx for the vlogs and content! God bless!
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Just loved this video! I am a bookofile. When I was at the power plant they gave me an old copy of the " The Machinist's Handbook". Wow what a reference! Just learned about a few more from you. I will look for these at book sales and old book stores. Thanks Lyle !!
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Any of the old instructional books published by Audel's are also somewhat useful, and cover many technical fields. Although some appear to be rather introductory, they are generally cheaply had at garage sales, flea markets, etc. Recently, an industrial trainer for a large local municipality was searching our larea for any old copies he could find. They use them for designing industrial training programs.
The Baumeister-Marks handbook was especially valuable to me when I took the exam to become licensed as a Registered Professional Engineer. It was the only book I used. Yes. I passed.
Books obtained through an inheritance are particularly valuable to me, mostly for sentimental reasons. I have old books from my great-grandfather's apprenticeship as a carpenter (at the beginning of the twentieth century) and also my father's old law library (from the early-middle 1960's). It's nice to see pencil their notations in these books that are an enduring record of their thoughts at the time.
Computerized inventory programs used by libraries have resulted in me being able to buy all sorts of books cheaply. I always go to eBay and search for what ever I am looking for and more often than not a copy shows up for less than $4.00 with book rate shipping included. They are library cast offs complete with the protective plastic over the dust cover and all of the library stamps, tags and markings. The libraries run the program every so often and find no one has checked out War and Peace in a couple of years so it gets deep sixed to make room for Video Gaming for Idiots or some other contemporary literary monument.
The same program has contributed to the death of many Mom and Pop hardware stores. They computerize the inventory and find that no one has bought a 1/4" black iron street elbow in five years, so they get rid of what they have and don't order any more. Then I come in, can't find one get, frustrated and decide to shop else where. Competition from the big box stores (they use the same program, don't have the odd ball stuff either, but have volume sales on their side) played the biggest part of the small stores disappearance but the inventory control has been part of it in my opinion (which isn't worth much). Around here, the small hardware stores that have survived are the ones with an inventory of dust covered merchandise along with the faster moving stuff.
Thanks for another good video.
That was the best analysis of the libraries and hardware stores I have ever heard.
the best hardware store and the best plumbing store where I am both still have handwritten paper invoices for every sale. And 10x the dust covered stock you would normally see
I still have my Father's "green" and "brown" machinist's books. I am nearly as young as you.
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I have the 25th edition it pretty much saved my job at my factory.
Lyle.
One important thing worth mentioning ... regardless of the age of the book a lot of the information is proven and doesn't change with time.
PS it occurred to me that all this Ebay activity you are engaged in should be carried out with caution.
You could be running the risk of disobeying your own mantra and end up without ENOUGH TOOLS.
lol. Very true, you made me chuckle
I'm definitely a book guy. Both of my parents were librarians, so it's in my blood.
I'm with you, the smell, feel, sound, everything about a book is special.
Thanks.
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"I love a book". We, who were born before the computer age, love our books. I know because my library grows daily.
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Howdy from Texas! Just wanted to say thank you Sir for all the things I have learned while enjoying your videos. You are truly a shop teacher! God Bless
Thank you very much, I'm glad you like my videos
I studied to be a mechanical draftsman in 1967 and the very first thing we were told was, "buy a copy of the Machinery Handbook," which I dutifully did. We used it daily when we were told to draw a particular part such as a nut, bolt, gear, etc. I still have it and I have my brothers later edition (1980's I think) that he used when he retrained as a draftsman when he suffered a back injury. I treasure them both but I know my kids won't care a wit about them when it is time for me to downsize. Loved your video, other books I never heard about.
Thank you, it’s a great book
That tool engineers handbook is awesome as a sharpening reference.
Thanks Brian. I will look up that section
Fuller's Earth... We used it in the brake bands of our cranes on clam shell work.. Makes a brake hold with less effort on the brake pedal and the load will slide exactly as you want it to...It is also good in a friction that does not want to pull the load....
Hello Mr. Pete
My edition is number Seventeen printed in 1966.
I managed a OEM Power Transmission Business from the mid eighties, used mt Bible almost every day, gear cutting, spline cutting, precision grinding,etc, etc.
I always found everything I wanted. Now retired and making clocks, still use it....
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I appreciate references as i need it for truck and trailer technician mechanic.
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I’m a lover of books myself. Over the years I’ve built a pretty nice library of vintage technical books. Lovely collection you have there. Thanks for another great video.
Thanks
For a time I operated in the outer fringe of the machinist's world, mostly appliance repair. The go- to manuals I used were published by Howard W. Sams, now SAMS Technical Publishing.
I sure do remember Sams photo facts
One of my hobbies is tube radio repair, I used Sams and Riders regulary.
Lyle, Thanks For Taking Time To Show These Treasures Of Yesteryear. I'd Much Rather Look Through These Books For Something I'm Looking For Than To Try To Find It On The Internet. Actually I Can Find It Many Times Faster In A Book Then I Can On The Computer. I Have To Laugh Because This New Fangled Age Really Believes They Have It Over Us Old Timers.
Thanks Again,
John
Yes lol
Remember, "old timers" built the computer. Younger people don't realize this while they belittle older people for not being "with the times".
Meanwhile Bill Gates is twice their age....
My first Machinery's Handbook was the 21st edition (1979) when I worked in the Industrial Woodworking Machinery industry as a design engineer. I then went back to the Defense industry and retired in 2014. Things I needed to look up while in the machinery business were mostly there, but still lacking things I thought should be there. In the defense industry, it was almost useless, couldn't find 85% of the things I went to it to find. I had to develop my own resources.
Wow, that's surprises me
Thanks Mr Pete.
I'm with you on liking an old book better than an old mouse.
I'll keep an eye out for some of those. I have accumulated about half of them. Have a great day.
Thank you for watching
The books, in my opinion,are more reches and clear that every mouse
My main reference is the black book, just because it’s easier. But the two most used items in my shop is the vintage drill and tap chart, it hangs on one of the doors and I refer to it almost daily. Also the decimal equivalent chart the other thing I use often. I went to eBay and purchased a older edition of Machinery’s Handbook for the simple reason the work I do at home it is appropriate for my shop. I do have a promotional Valenite book that I had for years that a rep handed me it is in my tool box. Another great video
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I wish I had seen this two weeks ago. I had forgotten that I had picked up two of the other books years ago at a junk shop. But the pain is that I just poneyd up for the new machinerys handbook.🙄
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Wonderful Survey. I have used all these books professionally and "in the basement" A great read to add context is Fred Colvin's 60 years with men and machines. You will find it at estate sales and ebay along with numerous Aircraft Mechanics Handbooks published in the WWII era.
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Handbook for student machines by Starret every apprentice had one .
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One thing I love about books, is that special smell and feel when you flip the pages...!!!
Still have some older references that are almost unused... Always keepers, though... ;)
Yes Love the smell and feel
You're not violating any copyrights showing a brief sample contents of the books. I don't claim to be an lawyer, did stay at Holiday Inn though.
My first Machinery's Handbook was the 20th edition. It's tucked away in my Gerstner tool chest. I don't recall all the one's I've collected over the years, I know I have a 5th edition a co-worker gave me several years ago that belonged to a family member. My latest is the 30th edition on CD ROM. I like the electronic version, it allows you to print off a page that you can draw out to the shop to use and not worry about messing up you nice desk edition with the elements of the shop. The other references you mention I have except for the Kent and the last one mentioned. The American Machinery's handbook, I managed to buy all 8 editions if it over the years, lot of old steam locomotive and train stuff listed in it. Wonder if it was for the railroad machinists/mechanics than general machinists? Enjoy your videos and my daily shop lessons I get from you. Ken S.
Sounds like you have quite a nice shop library
Green ones with the thumb index are the best. I have several of them including the one dad and I used to do projects together when he was alive.
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Current edition of Machinery's Handbook is 30th. price: $109.95 from Industrial Press, the publisher. I think I paid about $35 for my 23rd decades ago. I still refer to it often for thread data, etc.
I bought a set of the Black Books after seeing them for the first time at your meet and greet. Tons of great information in small package!
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I have a first addition machinist hand book , I've been in the trade most of my working life and I found this particular machinist hand book years ago at a garage sale FYI thanks .
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I would pay good money to be able to spend an afternoon with you sir, and I'm sure I would feel it was money well spent! Thank you with all sincerity for what you do.
Thank you very much, that's a great complement
Hey Lyle, I have an eight edition handbook from 1930, which I refer to all the time. I find the older books have the information that I need rather than the newer editions as they tend to deal with the most modern of engineering details. I use contact cement (Weldwood) for repairing my books, they last a little longer. Great video, thumbs up.
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Thanks for “Be on the Lookout for” I need to add to my library of manuals.
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Mr Pete . I found a very interesting video about heavy machines and engineering from the 1930's .Look at "Sulzer in the 1930s" . Very well done old video.And I have learned a lot from you in the last few years I have watched . Thank you for that.
The "Materials Handbook" by George Brady, fifteenth edition is $157 to $245 on Amazon. Picked up a fourteenth edition for about 6 bucks!
Mr. Pete,
I have the 22nd edition of the Machinery's Handbook that you have. When I bought my Southbend lathe in 1985, my father bought me a copy to go with it. He was a turret lathe machinist at GE. He worked on parts for marine steam turbines for ships.
I bought a large print edition of the 29th about 6 years ago. Far easier to read. A friend gave me a late 1940's edition of the Stanley and Colvin book. I have found it had some info not in the Machinery's Handbook. I have bought a number of technical and trade books for 1 or 2 dollars at our library. They seem to feel they are there for entertainment rather than learning these days.
I think I need a large print edition myself
When I first got interested in machining, I went looking to buy a Macinery's Handbook and I found it difficult to understand all the different editions of the book. There's a Toolbox edition, a Large Print edition, a Guide to Macinery's Handbook, and more. I had trouble understanding what was on offer from eBay and used book stores. I have pretty much sorted it out by now. However, I wonder if other newcomers to the craft might suffer from the same confusion. It would be great if you could take some time to explain the different editions on your channel sometime? As always, many thanks for sharing your knowledge as well as your sense of humorr.
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It would be interesting to know just how Gerstner and Kennedy came to make that drawer that exactly fits the Machinery's Handbook..perhaps that is how that particular book became the standard and the others have gone by the wayside by comparison. Very interesting, Thanks! Mr. Pete! :-)
Machinery Handbook also available in large print edition for guys with old eyes.I have one.
I need one of those, LOL
You are lucky to have only one old eye, I have two old eyes. I donated my Machinery Handbook because I really never had a use for it, and was one of those things I just had to have. :-) ....
Did not know Fuller's earth. Thank u. First time in 40 year seeing the black books.
Yes oil dry
I've got the companion to the Kent manual. It's the design and production volume. Picked it up at a used book dealer in Boston years ago. Really cool info in it as well. I like old books almost as much as I like old tools.
I do too. I have never seen that volume that you mentioned
@@mrpete222 It's Kent's Mechanical Engineers Handbook 12th edition Design and Production.
Will now keep a lookout for these! Thanks for posting the,video!
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I have the seventh edition of the American Machinists handbook 1940 edition and it is a very good reference book. The engineers black book is my general go to book and one thing i like is the stain proof pages as I don’t have to worry about soiling the pages . Starrett also have an app for your phone or ipad but i cant remember if it had reference charts or not but i do remember something about how to use various measuring tools .
Thanks for the informative and entertaining video mrpete !
Thank you for watching
Very nice library of reference materials. I'm like Captain Kirk and Lyle Peterson, I love books. I can't stand to try to read a document off a computer screen. 'Til next time.
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Lyle, I too like books over digital medium, however I do prefer both. Main reason the digital medium I can print out a page and take it to where ever I am working and it can get all soiled up and not ruin a good book. But I am with you on this... I like a book for reference.. it is amazing just to thumb though the wealth of information. Also a book is not dependent on batteries to work.
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Thank you for your information, I own a black book and some other books they are really handy. I'm trying to find information or videos on handy make up tools, tools that will make my job easier so if you know any it would be a great help if you could mybe make a video on some of the tools you've made.
My go-to is the Machinist's Ready Reference. Keep it on the bench.
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Thanks for sharing mrpete. I too love books and have an extensive & varied library that I browse often. regards from the UK
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Thank you again for many good videos. If anybody has a problem regard the copy protected material you show (T=04:45), just remember "the Fair Use Clause by the U.S. Copyright Act of 1976", which allows you to use copyrighted materials for the purpose of commentary, criticism and/or for educational use. Keep up the good work.
Jim.
Thank you, I have to read that information about fair use
Keep an eye out for very old reference books. They have information that is often edited out (book size constraints) of newer publications.
Back in the day, machinists and shops had to make tools and equipment that were very hard to come by commercially. You can find tips and work-arounds useful for the basement machinist as well as job shops in these books... just don't cringe when the instructions call for 1 pound of powdered asbestos to repair cracks in your heat treat furnace.
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Thanks for the video MrPete. I just love those old engineering types of books.
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I used to call my copy of the Morse pocket size: "My Little Book With Everything I Know." (I still have it hanging over my lathe by a loop of wire through the spiral binding.)
Yes, that is a wonderful little book. 98% of what is in machineries handbook we will never need
Never heard of the Tool Engineers book. Thanks. Will be on the search for it. Use to be able to open Machinery's Handbook to the exact page needed. Used almost every item except the math tables (calculator). Now haven't touched in 10 years. Internet has almost all needed.
I suppose someday with they will stop publishing a paper edition
Hello Charles, The Ameican Society of Tool Engineers became the Society of Manufacturing Engineers and the SME continues to publish the Handbook.
@@gregoryrust1503 aahhhh! That makes sense.
I have a 1958 copy of American Machinist magazine that has an Ad fornthe copy of American Machinist handbook I've got. It was an expensive book, $8-9 in 1958. The ad even mentioned that financing was available
That was a lot of money back then
Yep, need more of those too.
Nice review of some of the great books out there. Everybody needs at least one.
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Thanks for the video, I was checking my bookcase while watching and found most of these books on it.
Then you have quite a good book case, LOL
My Wishlist keeps getting longer. Thanks Lyle!
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Hi Mr Pete !
And in our country there was a lot of tehnical books for mecheanical using
especialy translated fro russian or germany. In so called socialist countries, we use books so colled STAS, in Romania, GOST, in Soviet Union or DIN in Germany, maybe ASTM in United States, with all detail of every things
That's interesting to hear what they use in other countries
Another fantastic video Mr Pete! I'll be keeping my eye out for some of those at local sales.
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Great selection of reference books, I have most of them in my collection. Thanks for showing them.
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I bought the Morse cutting tool booklet and its companion on tapping for a buck apiece back in the '70's.
90% of the time I get the info I need from them, without dragging out Machinery's Handbook.
One thing I've found useful in the Morse tapping booklet is the table which shows the per cent of thread for a given tap by using different size tap drills. If I'm tapping a difficult to machine material , i might use an oversize tap drill to spare the tap and ME. If 60% thread will do the job , why grunt to get 75%? Or ,
grunt/SNAP?
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Yes, I always drill over size if I am afraid of breaking a tap. Thank you
I would also put the Pocket Ref by Thomas J. Glover on this list. Very handy.
Shop Theory by Henry Ford is another good one for ones just getting into the trade. Has all the basic need to know stuff.
Thank you, yes I have it
Thanks for the video Mr. Pete, I just ordered a 17th edition off ebay, i got already a 26th as pdf file but i find it also easier to find things from a paper book. I'm a really fast reader since I learned to read at age of 3 so i don't like the more slow feeling of reading the e-book.
Yes, I like a paper book
I like and watch all of your videos. Good stuff, aways learn something. I have the 26th edition of machanist handbook on DVD. When I find what I'm looking for I can make the fonts any size I want, of which I need. Thank for all of your great lessons.
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Thanks for another interesting video. I was hoping you were going to explain the purpose of the machinery handbook "guides". I just picked one up for peanuts, and haven't dug into it yet. It appears like a condensed version of the full book.
I have never seen one of these
I learned in good confidence from a *great teacher* that the center drawer in the machinist chest is not for the book, but rather it's for your sandwich - No need to bring a second box for lunch! 😉
My apprentice boss back in the 60s told us to by” Mechanics vest pocket reference book” by John H Wolfe supervisor, Apprentice school Ford motor co. Everything I needed was in that book I completely wore it out ,the book comes up on eBay once in a while,it is out of print.Mike mcewen
Thank you, I have never seen one of those
Do you have "Zeus" books in the states ? Over here they are very common, just a pamphlet you keep in your toolbox or overalls, with all the usual information, trigonometry, tapping drill sizes, thread information etc.
No, I have never seen one
Thanks very much for the very useful information in this video, and also for your large catalogue of other informative videos. Keep up the good work. Regards from Down Under. IA Melbourne, Australia.
Thank you very much
Nice books Lyle👍
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I'm looking for a 1947 my grandfather got his wooden Machines tool box and I had it restored for my mom and I haven't found one yet
Keep looking
I bought my 11th edition for 25 cents at a book sale. I always get a smile because Laird Bickel (the original owner I presume) listed his age as: 16 and 7/8 :)
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I'm about to buy the Black Book and the Black Fastener Book. Both metric.
Sadly they make the electrical one only for US and AU.
Yes, those are good books
And I was the one person that didn’t know that was where the book went in my Kennedy toolbox.
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Thanks for this, I'm just looking at getting a copy.
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I just went to the Engineers Black Book website. Seems the best deal is from Aircraft Spruce with Zoro Tool coming in a close second. Can you believe these are printed in China?
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No one can print it in the US, pages are very thin apparently. FYI The Machinery's Handbook is printed in India!
Hey, I keep South Bend's _How to Run a Lathe_ at my bedside. Also Tom Lipton's books. I'd like to find a good old book on steam engine design.
That's good bedside reading
Its funny because i just put mine next to my bed. There is all kind of interesting read there. I figure out what S7 steel is that I have got few weeks before from eBay. Just by accident.
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Thanks for the very good video, I am a reference book junkie... Tommy
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Might be a while before I get to watch it, but I started on the book "The Foundations of Mechanical Accuracy" by Wayne Moore. I think it might be a king document (as I call them).
Thank you, I need to check that one out
Lyle, 10-4 on the reference !!! Would you believe? Another great watch---, Cliff
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Machinery's Handbook #22 got me through college!
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Keep up the good work!
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fullers earth was used to soak up oil from clutch faces brake linings e.c.t
glad to be of asistance
Thank you I bet most people do not know what it is by the term Fullers earth
Believe it or not, I used to put a poultice of Fuller's earth on my face to treat acne when I was a teenager. I guess I'm telling my age.
@@dannyl2598 in the 1950 vs a friend of mine had a standard vanguard with a leaky shaft seal and we used to throw fullers earth on it before going to Blackpool u.k dancing to Ted Heaths orchestra.those were the days
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Great story
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THANK YOU...for sharing.
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Good stuff Mr. Pete. I have been picking up some of these books and reference booklets over time since you've been showing them. I'm with you on preferring hard copies over digital, they are portable, always available, the batteries never go dead, and with bookmarks your most used data is instantly at your fingertips.
You did show us a while ago that center drawer in the Kennedy toolbox is really for your sandwich! ;o) And the top is for placing grandchildren!
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My toolbox has a version from the early 70's. I got a newer version on CD and it sucks. I still rely on the paper version.
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Thanks for sharing sir..
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Wiley is still going strong with technical publications.
no , cant be , this is "Mr. Tubalcain " ? i have so many early books and manuscripts written by " Tubalcain" when i restarted getting back into machine work in my home shop back in the early 90's . well ill be danged . thank you
I’m not the one from England
Thanks for the video.
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that is really , what actually i need
mr.pete books we have a giant library for watchmakers this is a lot of what you have to do to learn watchmaking. Green book F-4 Phantom Vietnam (watched my dad at work making the parts and that book was there). You are too young to know that whole book just yet Lyle, we will give you more time to read up, LOL..
The H. Gerstner tool chest top box does hold the book upright, as you say, our drawer has one in it some book anyways. We do not have the Black Book, will place it on the list. I am still training on the use of my teacher mr.pete222 share about the Optical Center Punch (went with Flexbar brand). Lance & Patrick.
Thank you for the comment. I hope you show your library sometime in a video. You sure are up early today. I enjoyed you and Patrick yesterday and your latest video. Those were some nice packages that you opened up you can see that your channel is picking up. You guys are doing a great job love the banter at the beginning.
The Flexbar is the best IMO. I have other types of optical center punches. None perform as reliably as the Flexbar.
Nice books...
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Looking for a 13th edition
Thanks Lyle
Don't know about you ,but I need my opti viser when I have to read my machinery handbooks 😐
Absolutely. Someone just told me you can buy it in a giant print edition
@@mrpete222 did not know that, thanks for telling me .