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I said this before, best alternative to dominos are dowels. Same strength, just different look. Get Dowelmax and you will get speed, accuracy and ease of use including 45 miters. There is no need to mimic domino and get a clumsy solution.
I use the updated jessem dowel jig and think it’s great for the money. For hobbyists the $1,100 difference between dowel jigs and domino is better spent on other tools.
People who can afford Festool will still buy a domino. People who were never going to buy Festool are the potential customers for Kreg's MortiseMate. Therefore, it's not really a "Domino killer", just a more affordable option for people who weren't going to have a Domino at all.
Cool thing. Just checked prices over here in Germany. €400 - on Black Friday Sale!!! I think if I really need such tool, I will go with the real Domino :)
Having had a Domino for years this looks like it will be a lot slower creating the mortise. This will probably be a good solution for a weekend woodworker.
I wait for Makita Domino, Festools Domino patents expire 2024 , so competitors should be on market with own models 2025. Lemello biscuit jointer was only copied by Makita , Bosch and DeWalt from big brand names
Not even I think. It's easier and cheaper to just make a router jig. I'm convinced 731 woodworks stopped woodworking a long time ago and just craps out 3 videos a week with products he hasn't really used.
They worked with jessem for this, I personally almost bought the jessem a couple of years ago but my friend talked me into just getting the domino. He had spent all this money on this jig and that jig but wasnt happy until he had got the domino.
Looked up the domino/Kreg tenon pricing, for the 6x20x40mm/1.5" tenons on both, you have to buy 2.5 boxes of Kreg to match the $31 box of 190 Festool and save $4. For the big 1140 box of Festool for $119 you need 15.2 boxes of Kreg for $167. JessEm's Tenon Stock is sold at 6 12" lengths for $10 you have to cut for yourself at 8 1.5" per stick, which comes to about $40 to match a 190 pack of dominoes and almost $240 to get 1140. So if you're looking to buy loose tenons in bulk, Festool is actually going to be a better deal for better fitting tenons. Another option on this is that Woodpeckers has a mortising base attachment for plunge routers currently on sale for $170. That plus a whiteside 1/4sh/6mm spiral upcut bit comes to ~$200. Takes a little more setup, but does the same things.
The Wood Whisperer did a review as well. He found out that Kreg and Jessem worked together on this. His main gripe was the stability that could cause some slop. Not a big deal with the weekend warrior but maybe not for precise projects.
I'm a roofer by trade, but do a lot of DIY carpentry at home. This looks like most other Kreg tools in that it's geared more for guys like me, not your trade pros. That said, it looks great for MY purposes. Thanks!
The question isn't why companies keep trying to sell joinery methods that are worse and more expensive than dowels, but why people keep falling for them.
Here's a tip for either this product or the Domino. You can make your own custom width tenons on your thicknesser. I did this on a breadboard end table top and 1st time success. Works a treat 🇦🇺
Great video! 🎉 99% of all woodworkers don’t know about this Game Changing Domino Killer!! 😂 But for real, this is a great option for the DIY/weekend woodworker wanting to use mortise and tenon but lack the budget to spring for a Festool.
As a DIYer I still spent the money ont he DF700 for the efficiency and ability to use it like a 500 (with the Seneca kit).. it just seems like its going to always be much faster, easier and produce the best quality mortises for joinery.
Nice jig but are "Kreg-Ino's better than appropriately sized dowels? I use a dowel jig and it is quick and easy. Plus, dead-nuts accurate. This seems unnecessarily complicated and time-consuming.
Not a Domino killer. Not even close. The Domino is for rapid and precise joinery which can be applied at angles and not just when you can clamp the thing down on a workbench using their support. Get the Domino or use something like the DowelMax. I'd rather use the DowelMax doweling jig than either the Kreg or the Jessem "Domino killer".
As soon as multiple set screws get involved, you know it's the same old story.. another alternative that just doesn't offer the same level of ease-of-use, precision, and repeatability.
@@harpintn Sure, but I'm not sure you read all that I wrote. For a bit LESS money you can get the DowelMax. Once you learn the thing (it doesn't really take that long) you should be doing dowel joints faster than if one gets the Kreg Mortisemate and I think it is a good bet that the DowelMax joints will be stronger. And the DowelMax will be a darn sight more versatile as well. I think the Kreg Mortisemate is simply a bad deal. The Jessem unit seems likely to be better but I'd still go with a good doweling jig (and Jessem makes good doweling jigs). Every which way I look at it I don't see value in the Kreg Mortisemate. It doesn't come close to what the Domino will do and if you look at the price point I'd go with the good doweling jig over the Mortisemate every time. Understand, I'm not trying to disrespect Kreg. I've a number of their products and will probably get more.
@@oldguy1030 I am not familiar with the Dowel Max The last time I used a dowel they only had very crude jigs, or you had to use a horizontal boring machine. I had a friend with a Shop Smith that used it for dowels back in the day.
Love your stuff Matt! Truly appreciate your videos, have binged watched tons of them and put them on when working in the shop. Learned a ton and really appreciate the tool reviews , they really do help me pick up gear. Thank you sir !
I got the kreg pocket hole tool as it was suggested with some desk plans I wanted to build. Absolutely loved it. Never thought I'd have so many uses for it but I've done so many projects with it now. Desks, tables, stools, noodleboards. Kreg makes a lot of tools I want now.
They do make a pretty good pocket jig. Mostly it is fairly inexpensive, pretty decent versatility, and fairly good joinery. All that makes it a pretty good value. The pros will use different gear for most cabinetry. Part of the reason is because they can make the pocket holes faster - but also stronger. The Castle 110 is probably the best for strong pocket hole joints but the cost is much higher, you can't get plugs for the holes, you can't use it on thick material (like a 2x4), its use is just a little bit more involved, and its router makes an unholy racket when compared to the drill motor you use with the Kreg jig.
Love the Kreg pocket hole makers...I'm a general contractor, so I've done like two mortices ( door locks) in my career...This looks like a good tool for those that use mortise and tenon...Thanks for the review.
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I could see myself using a small setup block(s) on both sides of the little indexing pins for consistency, but you're right that ideally it would keep everything centered and adjust both sides at the exact same rate. Still, to save $1,200 it seems very worth it.
You could drill a hole in one of the edges of the plywood and slide the long side of the allen wrench in the whole. The hole would probably wear out over time, but it would work. Great video man.
Reading reviews before commenting, I find that I'm with the majority. 300 bucks of silliness. Tools have followed the kitchen tool game. When does the Veg-o-Matic come out?
I saw this in person at the Boston Tools and Tailgates events in the Woodcraft stores. I liked the almost all metal composition of the tool and the whole setup (great to clamp to your bench). I have a dowel jig but I look forward to adding this to my shop until I save up for a domino.
Was able to test this a couple months ago. there is a set up process and you do have to force the handle side to side when drilling to acivate the drilling step, It's not perfect but it is a cost effected way for beginners to make floating tennons without purcasing a Festool Domino.
For larger panels, could you use the tool upside down, using the top surface as the reference? That might be easier than trying to shim it well enough to use it conventionally.
How long does it take to do each joint with either tool? What if we compare a third option - Pantorouter? Is messing with set screws faster than swapping panto templates? At present I have none of the above in my shop, but always appreciate info on which target to save for.
I would have had all the tenons cut with the festool by the time you cut two with this thing. I’m not a festool fanboy but i completed jobs to get a couple of their tools and the track saw and domino are pretty great
a little locktite would keep the end cutter in the shank !! maybe scribe matching depth marks on the side screws at least??? also a screw knob to raise and lower the table might be nice!! Have Fun
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The JeesEm Pocket Mill Pro is on sale on their website for $319.00. I think it's a better choose. I have had mine for over a year, and it works great without all the adjustments. Kreg does make good products, too.
All the strength is in the glue on the face of the tenon, not on the sides. Similar to a biscuit joiner. So a slightly wider mortise will allow you to adjust during glue up.
For bringing the tool to the work, cant you you take the Kreg to the work and just use it upside down? Basically just placing it on top of the work piece. Or you can use it in the upright position and just clamp it directly to the work piece?
I wonder if dedicating a $17 corded drill from Harbor Freight would speed up the cut time? I have one that spins at 3000rpm verses the 600 or 700 that a cordless drill runs at. Also the 6mm bits are the same size I run on my CNC, I wonder if they would work as replacements?
This looks like a very cool tool, but for now I think I will stick with my dowel jigs. One alteration that I would probably make is make a duplicate base out of good quality wood or MDF , maybe 1 inch thick then cut grooves in it that would accommodate the Micro jig clamps. This would make the base nice and sturdy so you wouldn't have to screw it down to your bench.
What a fabulous idea from Kreg. I think it's an absolutely marvelous tool! I haven't seen one in person, but I do love your presentation, Matt! 😃😃😃❤❤❤ I'd say Kreg nailed it! Thank you very much!!
I've owned both the original Domino and the Domino XL. I worked at a high-end custom furniture and cabinet shop for 5 years, where everything built was a one-off product. Domino is faster vs the Kreg but more expensive. Domino vs a dowel jig is a lot more expensive, but for those random spots on furniture where you only have room for one joint, the Domino prevents twisting. Obviously not everyone can afford a Domino. But it is actually better in every way except price.
if you make a pair of spacers with a step in them will they fit between the carriage and the end stop? insert the big end and adjus the left screw stop. flip and adjust the other stop. Surprised they did nomake a plastic C-shaped tool or little keys on a ring
What do you think about good old-fashioned biscuit joiner I think it works relatively well for everything I do as much as I would like to have the domino
Based solely on watching this in use in the video, I wonder if a longer handle might improve it? That would give more clearance between your hand and the drill as the handle is moved side to side. I don't see this as a flaw, just as something that might make a cool idea slightly easier to use.
I run a production shop. I bought a Domino on the day they were released 20 or so years ago. I use my it nearly every day and if it broke, I'd buy another that day.
I have a JessEm Zip Slot Mortise Mill and Tenon Joinery Tool 08200 that I have had for years that works exactly like this "new" idea from Kreg. Have you seen one?
If the bit is a friction fit in that sleeve, isn't there a chance for the cutting head to just "spin" in place? Curious if this happened to you at all? Thanks for the review. Love your channel.
Your mortise bit cutting insert should not be falling out unless you have super chilled the shaft. It's normal for inserts to be mounted into shafts like this, but it's more like a bearing fit tolerance and should never fall/pull out that easy.
Thanks for showing us this. My question is, if the bit slips out of the shank and you push it back in, when you drill the hold, wouldn't the bit spin or slip so it would cut?
@@edmundhayes7982 A drop of Loctite 620 or 680 will lock the bit in place if slipping is an issue. I would think Kreg would have done this at the factory.
Thanks, Matt, for bringing the tool to our attention, wonderful review. For my money think a doweling jointer is a better option. Freud made what looked like a good mid priced (around $500) one but discontinued it over 10 years ago. The only one I can find in the same price range is from a company called Virutex that looks good, more of an industrial tool in the same class as a Domino, but at less than half the price. However, I am not quite ready to pull the trigger as the company name is unknown to me. MaFell has 2 doweling jointers at $1300+, not going to pay that. And, the doweling jointers under $200 or so just don't have good reviews. Still, I see a mid priced doweling jointer as the "Domino killer" for those who prefer dowels and want an automation path. Until then, I still use and really enjoy my DowelMax, as the precision has never let me down. However, for plowing out a bunch of holes for dowels, sure wish I had something more automated at a reasonable cost. Thanks for your review!!!
Couple of ideas, can you maybe reach in with a set of calipers and measure the stops to get them centered? Couldn't see well enough in the video. And I've already got a couple of Craig clamps that work awesome. It looks like they would be good for this tool as well. Just added another tool to my Christmas list! Thank you
It seems like an easy way to center would be to cut a mortice. Measure exact center and mark top. Clamp to line up center lines then set the bit to touch each side
Great review and tool....BUT, Ryobi biscuit joiner is only slightly over half the cost and does the same thing (seems like a better option). I will say, this does look to be able to handle smaller joins, but not sure.
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Agreed
I said this before, best alternative to dominos are dowels. Same strength, just different look. Get Dowelmax and you will get speed, accuracy and ease of use including 45 miters. There is no need to mimic domino and get a clumsy solution.
Agreed.
@@ST-0311^^^^^^
Hands down. In fact I’ve watched a strength comparison (we all know how those go who knows how accurate they are) but the dowel was strongest joint.
100% agree. In fact, I think they are better because the dowels are spread over a wider area.
I use the updated jessem dowel jig and think it’s great for the money. For hobbyists the $1,100 difference between dowel jigs and domino is better spent on other tools.
I don't think anyone at Festool are losing any sleep over this one, but it's always good to see companies innovate. We win in the end
People who can afford Festool will still buy a domino. People who were never going to buy Festool are the potential customers for Kreg's MortiseMate. Therefore, it's not really a "Domino killer", just a more affordable option for people who weren't going to have a Domino at all.
the more domino killers I see the more Im convinced I need a domino and not a cheap alternative
Exactly
Unless you get a pantorouter
@@Cessna172G I would love me one
once you go green, you will never go back.
Me too, but I'll stick to dowels. They're affordable, *stronger*, and more accessible.
Cool thing. Just checked prices over here in Germany. €400 - on Black Friday Sale!!! I think if I really need such tool, I will go with the real Domino :)
Which website is this on? Fellow European from Ireland
I was wondering a similar thing. I think it's quite overpriced for what it is. A dowelmax may be a bit more cumbersome, but seems equally valid
Having had a Domino for years this looks like it will be a lot slower creating the mortise. This will probably be a good solution for a weekend woodworker.
I wait for Makita Domino, Festools Domino patents expire 2024 , so competitors should be on market with own models 2025.
Lemello biscuit jointer was only copied by Makita , Bosch and DeWalt from big brand names
Not even I think. It's easier and cheaper to just make a router jig. I'm convinced 731 woodworks stopped woodworking a long time ago and just craps out 3 videos a week with products he hasn't really used.
Agree , this looks like a massive pain in the arse compared to festool
As a weekend warrior, i saved up for a domino.
This is nice, but i agree, nice product but time consuming.
I do like that it doesn’t require power.
Weekend woodworker here…I’d rather have a Domino, saving up for one now.
Enjoy your videos, but PLEASE stop with the whole "Game Over" thumbnails. It's just obnoxious.
Its for the clicks. Annoying yes but it's great for getting engagement
Snap!! Game over!
the clickbait titles are just as offputting: "XYZ Killer?" "Total Gamechanger??!"
The price you pay for FREE content! 😀
Agree
They worked with jessem for this, I personally almost bought the jessem a couple of years ago but my friend talked me into just getting the domino. He had spent all this money on this jig and that jig but wasnt happy until he had got the domino.
Looked up the domino/Kreg tenon pricing, for the 6x20x40mm/1.5" tenons on both, you have to buy 2.5 boxes of Kreg to match the $31 box of 190 Festool and save $4. For the big 1140 box of Festool for $119 you need 15.2 boxes of Kreg for $167. JessEm's Tenon Stock is sold at 6 12" lengths for $10 you have to cut for yourself at 8 1.5" per stick, which comes to about $40 to match a 190 pack of dominoes and almost $240 to get 1140.
So if you're looking to buy loose tenons in bulk, Festool is actually going to be a better deal for better fitting tenons.
Another option on this is that Woodpeckers has a mortising base attachment for plunge routers currently on sale for $170. That plus a whiteside 1/4sh/6mm spiral upcut bit comes to ~$200. Takes a little more setup, but does the same things.
Thanks for doing the math. I appreciate that!
The Wood Whisperer did a review as well. He found out that Kreg and Jessem worked together on this. His main gripe was the stability that could cause some slop. Not a big deal with the weekend warrior but maybe not for precise projects.
I got mine a couple days ago, and yours is the first video I've seen where someone took the time to show assembly and dialing it in. Thanks!
Glad to be of help!
I'm a roofer by trade, but do a lot of DIY carpentry at home. This looks like most other Kreg tools in that it's geared more for guys like me, not your trade pros. That said, it looks great for MY purposes. Thanks!
Fellow roofer by trade and I diy carpentry as well. I feel the same
I've seen a review on this which points out the excessive slop in the mortises with the dominos provided.
Like its loose?
Me too. And as a tooling machinist who makes assemblies, I'm not a fan of it.
The question isn't why companies keep trying to sell joinery methods that are worse and more expensive than dowels, but why people keep falling for them.
Here's a tip for either this product or the Domino. You can make your own custom width tenons on your thicknesser. I did this on a breadboard end table top and 1st time success. Works a treat 🇦🇺
Great video! 🎉 99% of all woodworkers don’t know about this Game Changing Domino Killer!! 😂 But for real, this is a great option for the DIY/weekend woodworker wanting to use mortise and tenon but lack the budget to spring for a Festool.
For the once or twice a year I might think about wanting to domino join two pieces, the Kreg is a cost effective solution. Thanks for the review.
As a DIYer I still spent the money ont he DF700 for the efficiency and ability to use it like a 500 (with the Seneca kit).. it just seems like its going to always be much faster, easier and produce the best quality mortises for joinery.
Biscuits were good enough for Norm they are good enough for me
Just can't use biscuits to join 1-1/2" cabinet face frames.
@@jeffreydove821 Norm used pocket holes for that
@@jeffreydove821they make smaller FF size biscuits for face frames. You do have to switch to a smaller cutter, though.
Nice jig but are "Kreg-Ino's better than appropriately sized dowels? I use a dowel jig and it is quick and easy. Plus, dead-nuts accurate. This seems unnecessarily complicated and time-consuming.
man this Kreg guy just doesnt miss
The products from Kreg are really, really good.
Not a Domino killer. Not even close.
The Domino is for rapid and precise joinery which can be applied at angles and not just when you can clamp the thing down on a workbench using their support.
Get the Domino or use something like the DowelMax. I'd rather use the DowelMax doweling jig than either the Kreg or the Jessem "Domino killer".
As soon as multiple set screws get involved, you know it's the same old story.. another alternative that just doesn't offer the same level of ease-of-use, precision, and repeatability.
This jug is a low cost alternative for someone that does a few projects a year as a hobby. They have an different market that they are going after.
@@harpintn Sure, but I'm not sure you read all that I wrote.
For a bit LESS money you can get the DowelMax. Once you learn the thing (it doesn't really take that long) you should be doing dowel joints faster than if one gets the Kreg Mortisemate and I think it is a good bet that the DowelMax joints will be stronger. And the DowelMax will be a darn sight more versatile as well.
I think the Kreg Mortisemate is simply a bad deal. The Jessem unit seems likely to be better but I'd still go with a good doweling jig (and Jessem makes good doweling jigs).
Every which way I look at it I don't see value in the Kreg Mortisemate. It doesn't come close to what the Domino will do and if you look at the price point I'd go with the good doweling jig over the Mortisemate every time.
Understand, I'm not trying to disrespect Kreg. I've a number of their products and will probably get more.
@@oldguy1030 I am not familiar with the Dowel Max The last time I used a dowel they only had very crude jigs, or you had to use a horizontal boring machine. I had a friend with a Shop Smith that used it for dowels back in the day.
Love your stuff Matt! Truly appreciate your videos, have binged watched tons of them and put them on when working in the shop. Learned a ton and really appreciate the tool reviews , they really do help me pick up gear. Thank you sir !
I'm so glad you're finding them useful!
I got the kreg pocket hole tool as it was suggested with some desk plans I wanted to build. Absolutely loved it. Never thought I'd have so many uses for it but I've done so many projects with it now. Desks, tables, stools, noodleboards. Kreg makes a lot of tools I want now.
They do make a pretty good pocket jig. Mostly it is fairly inexpensive, pretty decent versatility, and fairly good joinery. All that makes it a pretty good value.
The pros will use different gear for most cabinetry. Part of the reason is because they can make the pocket holes faster - but also stronger.
The Castle 110 is probably the best for strong pocket hole joints but the cost is much higher, you can't get plugs for the holes, you can't use it on thick material (like a 2x4), its use is just a little bit more involved, and its router makes an unholy racket when compared to the drill motor you use with the Kreg jig.
Purchased the 3 size Jessem dowel kit last year. I am sticking with that. It's only a matter of time until Festool has a true competitor.
Love the Kreg pocket hole makers...I'm a general contractor, so I've done like two mortices ( door locks) in my career...This looks like a good tool for those that use mortise and tenon...Thanks for the review.
I love my Porter Cable biscuit joiner.
Same here with my Harbor Freight one for a fifth of the price, built a great kitchen including 1/2" ply drawers using 00's...
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thanks!
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I could see myself using a small setup block(s) on both sides of the little indexing pins for consistency, but you're right that ideally it would keep everything centered and adjust both sides at the exact same rate. Still, to save $1,200 it seems very worth it.
You could drill a hole in one of the edges of the plywood and slide the long side of the allen wrench in the whole. The hole would probably wear out over time, but it would work. Great video man.
Thank you very much
You did a GREAT job explaining everything
I am going to get one
I think the Universe just needs an M18 Domino
YES!! 💯
Most definitely, they would make a killing
Reading reviews before commenting, I find that I'm with the majority. 300 bucks of silliness. Tools have followed the kitchen tool game. When does the Veg-o-Matic come out?
I have a Mortise Master and it works really well!
I does need a router, BUT I already had one of those.....
If the cutter is friction fit what keeps it from getting hung up in the wood and allowing the shaft to spin around it?
friction fit into the shaft but appears to be a hex to prevent spinning
I saw this in person at the Boston Tools and Tailgates events in the Woodcraft stores. I liked the almost all metal composition of the tool and the whole setup (great to clamp to your bench). I have a dowel jig but I look forward to adding this to my shop until I save up for a domino.
Was able to test this a couple months ago. there is a set up process and you do have to force the handle side to side when drilling to acivate the drilling step, It's not perfect but it is a cost effected way for beginners to make floating tennons without purcasing a Festool Domino.
For larger panels, could you use the tool upside down, using the top surface as the reference? That might be easier than trying to shim it well enough to use it conventionally.
I'm not dyslexic but I first read this as "Keurig just changed wood joiner" and was very interested.
How long does it take to do each joint with either tool? What if we compare a third option - Pantorouter? Is messing with set screws faster than swapping panto templates? At present I have none of the above in my shop, but always appreciate info on which target to save for.
Great video as always Matt keep up the great work. Definitely going to check this new tool out. Thanks for sharing
I would have had all the tenons cut with the festool by the time you cut two with this thing. I’m not a festool fanboy but i completed jobs to get a couple of their tools and the track saw and domino are pretty great
Kreg worked with JessEm who has a very similar Loose Tenon system that puts the drill on the top. They are phasing theirs out.
a little locktite would keep the end cutter in the shank !! maybe scribe matching depth marks on the side screws at least??? also a screw knob to raise and lower the table might be nice!! Have Fun
OMG - "this" is so friggen cool!
Great review!
At 15:24, can't you just flip the mortise mate upside down and put it on the top of your work piece too, just as you do with the domino?
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The JeesEm Pocket Mill Pro is on sale on their website for $319.00. I think it's a better choose. I have had mine for over a year, and it works great without all the adjustments. Kreg does make good products, too.
Dowelmax is even better choice than that. And for less $
Do u think that this tool is better than a router jig w spiral bit ???
All the strength is in the glue on the face of the tenon, not on the sides. Similar to a biscuit joiner. So a slightly wider mortise will allow you to adjust during glue up.
For bringing the tool to the work, cant you you take the Kreg to the work and just use it upside down? Basically just placing it on top of the work piece. Or you can use it in the upright position and just clamp it directly to the work piece?
Can any of this KREG stuff be used in the construction of Timber Frame Home?
Something from Kreg actually made from metal? I like it
I wonder if dedicating a $17 corded drill from Harbor Freight would speed up the cut time? I have one that spins at 3000rpm verses the 600 or 700 that a cordless drill runs at. Also the 6mm bits are the same size I run on my CNC, I wonder if they would work as replacements?
If the ones you use on your CNC are upcut bits, I would think they'd work with this.
great job, now have to look at it deeper.
This looks like a very cool tool, but for now I think I will stick with my dowel jigs.
One alteration that I would probably make is make a duplicate base out of good quality wood or MDF , maybe 1 inch thick then cut grooves in it that would accommodate the Micro jig clamps. This would make the base nice and sturdy so you wouldn't have to screw it down to your bench.
Would adding a toggle clamp mounted to the base help?
Awesome review! I just added this to my "Need" list!!
I watched someone else review this last week and they never mentioned what you did here, 4:50. That's a huge overlook on their part.
As soon as he showed that I let out an audible "mmmmmm"
Great video, great product.
Good video! I been learning a lot from your videos! God bless you man
Thanks so much for watching!
Is there a way to use a dial caliper to adjust the width of the cut?
i think you did a great job showcasing this product, it was shown on another channel but not as detailed, keep up the good work
Glad you enjoyed the video, and thanks for the feedback!
That is a really cool tool
Great video GOD bless y'all
Thank you for this video. Love the channel
Thanks for watching!
What a fabulous idea from Kreg. I think it's an absolutely marvelous tool! I haven't seen one in person, but I do love your presentation, Matt! 😃😃😃❤❤❤ I'd say Kreg nailed it! Thank you very much!!
I've owned both the original Domino and the Domino XL. I worked at a high-end custom furniture and cabinet shop for 5 years, where everything built was a one-off product. Domino is faster vs the Kreg but more expensive. Domino vs a dowel jig is a lot more expensive, but for those random spots on furniture where you only have room for one joint, the Domino prevents twisting. Obviously not everyone can afford a Domino. But it is actually better in every way except price.
if you make a pair of spacers with a step in them will they fit between the carriage and the end stop? insert the big end and adjus the left screw stop. flip and adjust the other stop. Surprised they did nomake a plastic C-shaped tool or little keys on a ring
Maybe throw some green lock time retaining compound in the friction fit bit and holder?
Great job! Thanks for doing this.
What do you think about good old-fashioned biscuit joiner I think it works relatively well for everything I do as much as I would like to have the domino
Bought it…it works pretty well. It’s loose though. If you make your own loose tenons a little bigger you can get by better.
It's still loose after adjusting the stops?
@@pilotdog68 I think it's the Kreg tenons and the drill bit is a little oversized. It's not just the side to side stops where it's loose.
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You need to give some woodworking classes locally.
Based solely on watching this in use in the video, I wonder if a longer handle might improve it? That would give more clearance between your hand and the drill as the handle is moved side to side. I don't see this as a flaw, just as something that might make a cool idea slightly easier to use.
I just checked and my Festool Domino Jointer is just fine, not even nervous. ;) Still, there's nothing like hand joinery.
Festool is not the bad guy. Enough. Nothing will kill Festool.
greatvideo, great pointers on the tool improvements.......
Can't you turn the mortise mate upside down then clamp it to the top of you work piece instead of setting it up under the work piece?
Interesting, thanks for the video!
I run a production shop. I bought a Domino on the day they were released 20 or so years ago. I use my it nearly every day and if it broke, I'd buy another that day.
Have you looked at Rockler Beadlock system? I don’t own one but have been considering it due to cost. Your thoughts would be appreciated.
I have a JessEm Zip Slot Mortise Mill and Tenon Joinery Tool 08200 that I have had for years that works exactly like this "new" idea from Kreg. Have you seen one?
Perhaps a comparison between the Jessem and Kreg products in the future?
The Wood Whisperer said Jessem partnered with Kreg and will be discontinuing their branded version.
If the bit is a friction fit in that sleeve, isn't there a chance for the cutting head to just "spin" in place? Curious if this happened to you at all? Thanks for the review. Love your channel.
If it did slip, I didn't notice it.
Good review - thanks
Appreciate the information.
Your mortise bit cutting insert should not be falling out unless you have super chilled the shaft. It's normal for inserts to be mounted into shafts like this, but it's more like a bearing fit tolerance and should never fall/pull out that easy.
Thanks for showing us this. My question is, if the bit slips out of the shank and you push it back in, when you drill the hold, wouldn't the bit spin or slip so it would cut?
i didn't notice it slipping
@@731Woodworks Terrific.
@@edmundhayes7982 A drop of Loctite 620 or 680 will lock the bit in place if slipping is an issue. I would think Kreg would have done this at the factory.
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Thanks, Matt, for bringing the tool to our attention, wonderful review.
For my money think a doweling jointer is a better option. Freud made what looked like a good mid priced (around $500) one but discontinued it over 10 years ago. The only one I can find in the same price range is from a company called Virutex that looks good, more of an industrial tool in the same class as a Domino, but at less than half the price. However, I am not quite ready to pull the trigger as the company name is unknown to me. MaFell has 2 doweling jointers at $1300+, not going to pay that. And, the doweling jointers under $200 or so just don't have good reviews. Still, I see a mid priced doweling jointer as the "Domino killer" for those who prefer dowels and want an automation path.
Until then, I still use and really enjoy my DowelMax, as the precision has never let me down. However, for plowing out a bunch of holes for dowels, sure wish I had something more automated at a reasonable cost.
Thanks for your review!!!
Would like to know more about the Shop apron. Looks awesome.
Can it be mounted permanently to a bench to increase rigidity and make the clamping easier?
Yes it could
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Couple of ideas, can you maybe reach in with a set of calipers and measure the stops to get them centered? Couldn't see well enough in the video. And I've already got a couple of Craig clamps that work awesome. It looks like they would be good for this tool as well. Just added another tool to my Christmas list! Thank you
It seems like an easy way to center would be to cut a mortice. Measure exact center and mark top. Clamp to line up center lines then set the bit to touch each side
Great review and tool....BUT, Ryobi biscuit joiner is only slightly over half the cost and does the same thing (seems like a better option). I will say, this does look to be able to handle smaller joins, but not sure.
this looks amazing! May have to step up from my pocket whole obsession