Lets be careful with asking for the SD-10 to be nerfed, at the end of the day this is a simulator not a battlefield game. If you want my 2 cents I think the SD-10 is preforming how a modern missile should behave. Its the AMRAAMs that are nerfed and not behaving correctly. The range and speed of the AMRAAMs in DCS have always been a topic of hot debate. Me personally? I'd like to see the AMRAAM get a buff, not the SD-10 get a nerf. Big thank you to Sunde for helping out in this video, the JF-17 is probably the most modern aircraft in DCS right now so I have some high expectations for it in the long run, its had a great launch, obvs a few bugs but its no big deal they will get ironed out soon, for the most part I'm very impressed with this aircraft and I highly recommend it for anyone who is on the fence about it, especially if you like the idea of being competitive in an air to air combat environment. As always guys thank you for watching the video and for your ongoing support, I'm very grateful to have subs like you guys here on the channel.
Awesome overview of the JF-17 and SD-10 capabilities. The Thunder is definitely gonna give BlueFor a hard time. Loving your content and looking for more JF-17 in action.
Yep range on that missile is insane! PL-15. Also the jf 17's radar had to be upgraded to be able to match the missile lol! First time in history a missile out performs a radar. But sadly its primary targets are big aircraft like su 30 flankers or awacks and aw aircraft. Its too big the missile
@@FoxtrotDeltazulu brother JF17 BLOCK 3 is going to be ready in march 2020 with AESA rader and alot of things also PL15 missile is going to be for JF 17 block3 not for block 1 and 2
I wud like to see AESA radars on Pak F16s more than JF17s, JF17s can hardly reach Bangladesh, while F16s can reach even Europe lol. No one will b able to challenge Pak in whole Asia like 80s.
Deka recently said SD-10 was able to perform well, because they tweaked the coefficient of proportional navigation law with respect to range. They set 3 parameters at the range of 30km, 15km and 5km. The further away, the less it will response to sudden target manuver. So the missile would save a lot of energy, comparing to lead-persuiting a cranking target and hard-turning all the time. In fact ED has already implemented this to the 120C before, just not tweaking the parameters detailed enough.
I bet JF-17 with that PL-5E has shortage on dogfights. The PL-5E does not have active delectable engine like R-73 or AIM9X has. So, IMO JF-17 should be limited by its not-able-to-do-crazy-turn PL-5E.
My uncle was a wing commander in the PAF. Did his Combat Commanders course with the JF-17. I had the honour of flying in a training variant and it was an amazing time. Really happy to see this in the sim. I’ll definitely set this up for him sometime
Shut up dude! Stop lying The training version of jf-17 is not even operational in PAF And jf-17 was inducted in combat commanders school in 2015 To get the rank of Wing commander in PAF passing ccs is must and if your uncle “was” a wing commander it means he got his rank after 2015 and is now retired this tells about his skills...... Secondly PAF doesn’t give joy rides to nephews of pilots 😂
My father us group captain , and i know you are lying ......Jf-17 doesn't even have a B variant .....😂😂😂😂😂..........Aur humain simulator k paas nai janay detay , ap ko flying ka chance bhi de diya
Lover Boy Though thunder has a B variant but its not operational yet (8 Dual seat airframes were handed over to PAF on December 27/28 2019) But this guy is lying i have explained in my comment above.
Oh don't you worry, if there's anything we can count on in DCS it's redfor crybabies' ingenuity in finding excuses to cry. I'd say enjoy that SD-10 (and datalink, and MAWS, and the slew of standoff precision guided weapons, and the Vikhrs-in-a-rocket-pod), but we both know you'll be back to whining about something way before you put any of that through its paces.
@@GrowlingSidewinder he doesnt need to wait, it already happened in the skies , when an F-16 B took an R73 in the face and went down killing both the pilots.
Георгий Мурзич R-77 works on two principles - radar guidance and infrared simultaneously. This is the reason why F16s and JF-17s did not dare to come close to Indian Mirages when they were bombing Balakot in Pakistani mainland. Once they are in range of this missile then there is no way they can come close.
@@chinadarshan8437 lol your comment makes no sense, are you on drugs? First you mention R-77 and then you mentioned F-16s and JF-17 facing Mirages? LMAO. For your information Indian Mirage 2000 dont use BVR missiles. Mirage will die or either push back into defensive position before it can fire its Magic IIs. F-16 and JF-17 dont even have to go near Mirage.
PK Avenger - I am talking about first day when Indian Mirages under top protective cover of Mig-29s (carrying R77) crossed LOC, reached Balakot and then bombed some pigs to hell. Please understand English although you are madrassa educated but please try.
PK Avenger - Indian Mirages are armed with MICA missiles which are mid range BVR missiles famous for shooting targets smaller than their own size. Anyways point is, when your F-16s which were scrambled during our raid, returned immediately considering there would be no-use fighting since they were in R-77s range. R-77 when in range is the most deadly missile still working on two principles simultaneously.
Iaf Mig21 will eat jf 17 and such future junk aircrafts for brkfast and won't even burp... And that too after it shot down a f16.. Sheesh u caused a global embarrassment for Pakistan and US as well... The only thing jf 17 is capable of, is delivering fantastic tea.. PAF is the only air force which got kicked in its a** and yet hosted the enemy, offered tea and with all respect escorted him back ha ha :D :D.. This is what morbid fear of enemy makes PAF do(Dushman ki mehmannawazi) ..BTW tea had to be fantastic or else another Balakot would have been in the pipeline..
@dragon slayer4324 isn't he also a live example of how in the right and skillful hands a pocket knife can also become a shamsheer.. Well he took out a jf 17 with an outdated fighter and then was shot down... Coz he went behind the enemy lines.. But yet he managed to achieve all that... Think about it.. Just think.. I know it pains your behind when u think about it.. When the rafale gets fully inducted and in the hands of pilots like him shud u guys be even sending ur jf17s up in the air.. Unless ull want ur fighters to be history I don't think u shud
@dragon slayer4324 cmon bro that's the best I could come up for your jf17s.. Wonder why the Chinese haven't considered it for their air force.. Wonder wonder
@dragon slayer4324 what su 30..there was only the mig 21that was shot down.. A fact confirmed by your dg ispr.. Cmon now.. Don't create imaginary data and bask in the imagination.. And BTW we are not restricted in our use of su 30 the way it is for you guys with f16 that we would need Russia to come and count it... Ha ha
@dragon slayer4324 ha ha..this is exactly the kind of ignorance that made you guys lose the 1971 war. False propaganda of bravado by your govt claiming 'we won this sector..that sector' whereas the truth was clear that Indian forces were gaining ground regularly into pakistan which finally resulted in what we all aware today..your people at that time were celebrating false victory when india was clearly at your doorstep..i think history is repeating itself..NO MY FRIEND NO SU 30 MKI was shot down and stop believing in hearsay..JF 17 dont have the capacity to take on a su 30 MKI..btw your ispr hasnt even clarified what fighters were used..else US will be up your a** wanting to know why f16 was used and lost to a mig 21..:D :D
Structural features The aerodynamic shape of SD-10 is in line with the latest trend of air-to-air missile technology in the world. It adopts a normal aerodynamic shape layout with large slenderness ratio, small wingspan, and rudder control. This layout has small volume, light weight, small resistance, faster flight speed and greater maneuvering overload. The full length is 3850mm, the diameter is 203mm, and the range is 70km. The main difference between the appearance of the bomb and the Thunder-4 is that the full bomb is relatively slender, the bomb wing is smaller, the main wing is smaller than the tail rudder, the tail rudder is provided with a zigzag notch, and the front of the bomb body is provided with four dark bands Antenna. Development History The SD-10 medium-range air-to-air missile was developed in the mid-1980s, and all development work has been completed. As the guidance method is an advanced active radar plus strapdown inertial navigation system, the SD-10 has the ability to "don't care after launch". Its overload of up to 38G can also ensure that the missile can track and intercept air targets that implement 9G overload maneuvers. In addition, SD-10 has a strong anti-interference ability, which can effectively combat several forms of electronic interference, basically covering the current common electronic interference methods. Use case SD-10 is very versatile and can be mounted on various advanced fighter aircrafts. In order to improve the combat effectiveness and use of SD-10, China is still actively improving it. The first is to increase the effective range, which is expected to exceed 100. Kilometers; followed by better electronic components and improved guidance accuracy. In the future, it is also possible to develop the SD-10 into ground-to-air and ship-to-air types, equipped on high-mobility off-road vehicles and warships, and become short-range or regional air defense weapons.
Thanks for covering JF17. Many countries are buying JF17 from Pakistan. These countries include Myanmir and Nigeria. And countries like malaysia, argentina and sirilanka are already shortlisting it.
The SD-10 is based on the PL-12 missile which should have similar ranges to the R-77-1 (upgraded R-77) and AIM-120C-7 (upgrade to extend the range of the C model). So I expected it to be longer range but didn't expect it would be that dominant, at least in energy retention with a turn. As far as chaff resistance goes, its a generation newer than the AIM-120C so it's to be expected. Not sure if this missile is in a completed state development wise but even if it isn't remember it's a generation newer than the AIM-120C so expect it to be VERY deadly.
So AIM-120D coming? Perhaps even Meteor as well... R-77M? Just to keep balance with weapons in the same generation and going slightly into the next generation.
hey jeff nice to see you again on here boss. I believe the counter measure resistance is very similar to the aim120c, but the aim120c was always awesome with that and has a very small notch window, the SD-10 has a larger notch window, but in terms of missile behavior I think its the aim120 that needs a buff not the SD-10 needing a nerf.
@@GrowlingSidewinder yea I'm thinking the differnt variants of the AIM-120C (C, C-4, C-5, C-6, C-7) would be nice. That would allow scenario designers to decide what the player should have to make the mission challenging. The AIM-120D is much newer, we don't have an Eagle in the game from the last decade so they'd need to model all the other changes before they just gave us the D model on a 1990's Eagle.
@@drfakherimam3084 "Operation Swift Retort" for 27th Feb 2019 memorial has been placed at Sarghoda Air Base. It is clearly mentioned that Mig-21 Bison was shot down by AIM-9 Side winder missile that is used by F-16 in dog fight. And Sukoi-30 Flanker was shot by AIM-120 (BVR) missile that is used by F-16 as well in Beyond Visual Range targets. Kindly find info at defence.pk page and do search on google.
The guidance and the drag coefficients on the SD-10 are insane. Really shows what the AAMRAM should be capable of if slightly less capable than the SD-10. There needs to be some real work done on the DCS missiles by Eagle Dynamics.
Kyon nahi haram ke pilly dushman ke hath se tea peene ka maja or dugna ho jata hae jab f16 ko gira ke tea pi jati hae 😁😁😁😁ab rone mat lag jana 😆😆😆😆😆🤫🤫😁
@@MaheshKumar-hi3ui America ny khod genti ki hy Pakistani f16 ki to wo poray thay or jis jaga ka tum dawa kartay ho logo ko marny ka waha 2 darkhto k ilawa just ak kawa mara hy complete sboot han or International Media ny coverage ki hy To kia tumhary pas just ak bhe Real video Culip hy kia F16 k gerny ka just ak photage he dekha do
@@MaheshKumar-hi3ui is tra say hum bhe bol sakty han hum ny 50 Sokhai geraye lakin humari adaat nhe khabo ki dunia main rahna Bilkul ise tra say tumhara chotiyaa Bollywood desh k moo main jo ata hy bol dayta hy jiska Real dunia main koi yakeen nhe karta Jb such kholta hy dunia dekhati hy pak army indian airforce ko kotay wala pata pahna k ghaseet kr lay jati hy to bhot kotay wali badnami hoti hy tumhari or tumhary Bollywood media ki to pora digital world tum pay hasta hy or bharart ka pori dunia main mazaak ban k rah jata pher tum apny khabo khayalo ko reailty k sath jorho asy her medan main petty raho gy or zaleel hotay raho gay
@Asharib Siddiqui Sahi kaha bro ye chotiyaa gater main naha naha k comment karty han in zaleel logo ko kia pata jhooth bolany say inko or bhe ziyada gand phatti hy lakin gand mRwana inka khandani pasha hy
Wow such an amazing missile 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🇵🇰 we already outraged Indian missiles with AIM 120s now with SD10 and other Chinese missiles 😅😅 more tea will be served i suppose
@Ben White I get what you are saying, but having a capable military to defend, or discourage possible threats is also a good way to protect your people. With protection, you can focus on creating better lives for your people.
I just wanted to say that this channel is fantastic. Not only are you one of the best virtual pilots I have ever seen, your videos are informative and to the point. Not droning on and on before getting to the point scores big points, there are so many videos that I cant even get one minute into because the knucklehead is talking about everything BUT the topic of the video. So I salute you, and please keep these coming! I especially enjoy the cinematic aspects, some of these dogfights are movie quality. And how on earth do you keep TrackIR so still? Even with huge deadzones I can not manage to look around as smoothly as you do.
F-16 is still my all time fav... but the JF being homemade is scrappy and I respect it as it reflects the true spirit within all us Paks, fightin and kickin against all odds, doing more with less against bigger and better equipped enemies. Thanks for sharing, & high fives all around from Pak.
The PL-12 is about 20% larger and 10 years newer so it should outrange the 120C ? I guess the Pak airforce would know best since they operate both. Atleast they havent added the PL-15 :)
@@reillybrangan2182 see that's where it will cause more arguments. How do you judge guidance laws and notch resistance. For example some reasonably intelligent people suggest fox 3 can not be more resistant then decent fox 1. That's reflected in DCS. 27ER is more resistant then 120, 120 is more resistant then R77. Effective distances is a different story of cause
I work in the final assembly line of this aircraft with the Pakistani Air Force. Not overly impressive but a decent bang for your buck. Good flying in DCS! Looking forward to more uploads with this aerial machine
@@GrowlingSidewinder holy shit growling, 212k subs in UNDER a year. Insanity, but damn does it show you're working HARD and it's showing. Genre defining stuff here man.
Curious to see if the SD-10 and Phoenix performances are sufficiently matched so that dominance as a long-range missile could essentially come down to the difference in their chaff appetites!
Very cool vid. I watch yours and Longshots all the time. Totally like the way you narrate and give instruction on these. If I had a setup to fly I doubt I'd get anything else done in the house ever! LOL. Keep making the vids! Really appreciate them.
Apparently TH-cam ate my last comment. On ED forum, the dev made several statements on missile performance. 1. They spent a lot of effort fine tuning their proportional navigation guidance logic. The flight path is efficient within the limits of DCS. 2. They have their own computational fluid dynamics data for the missile and used that to build on the DCS standard missile model. They hope to build a more advanced missile flight model later because the standard model has limitations.
Two days ago Pakistan has conducted first flight of JF 17 thunder , In China . It is actually block-lll with no major changes , but it's has advanced radars , and major cockpit changes .
It's my 9th time watching this video again. I am just too excited for this jet (vidz). Hope you do more videos of this jet. And also share your opinions about this jet. Comparing it with other jets will be nice. That way we can know it's pro's and con's. Thank you so much again. Hope you read this comment 😊😊
@@GrowlingSidewinder you know what? this is why I like to watch your video, pure facts, no bullshits! keep up the good work, looking forward to watch your new videos
Mount the TGP. You can slave it to your locked on RADAR target and it will give you some awareness as to what he is doing. Great to look for missile launches too.
Thanks for the video and taking the time to do the test. Looks quite awesome to me. Funny thing is I am trying to learn the BVR stuff and especially online, always been more for the Warbirds. I was at your server yesterday for the second time ever but left shortly after as the chat was filled with whining about the Jf-17 and the SD-10. If it's one thing that is static through the flight sim community, no matter what game or sim, is whining about the things that challenge someones favorite plane or thing. In this case the 120C stopped being the best missile in the came and somehow that challenges people view in the world. How could a western made missile not be better than an eastern made goes the argument. Well, the SD-10 is at least 10 years newer than the Aim 120C so a better comparison between the two would probably be the 120D in the future. Like you said though, be careful with wanting a nerf for whatever, this is a sim not an FPS that needs balancing every week. By the way, is there a way to beat the SD-10 at the moment? Diving, notching and chaffing didn't do anything apparently :-O /Wilbus
With the gentle and uniform curve of that missile I am tempted to think that the F15 pilot unwittingly botched his attempt to defeat the missile. If he were being properly evasive the missile would have need to correct more aggressively
Geez... the SD-10 (PL-12) got crazy homing system From wikipedia, it is said that the homing system are from Agat R-77 Vympel, while we know that R-77 didn't as smart as that SD-10 do, yes the SD-10 has more kinetic energy due to have different booster that the R-77 did, but considered the AIM-120C had better kinetic energy than R-77 did, the SD-10 are lethal combination of seeker and energy! DCS should added Typhoon and Meteor to counteract this... (SD-10 are glitching right now?)
I had a feeling there might be some controversy on this one. Anyway, I love your videos. Probably the most informative sim dogfighting videos out there. I need quite a bit of practice yet. A whole lot, in fact, but I can't wait to jump on your server when I think I can stay in the air more than a few minutes, lol. But great stuff. I really appreciate what you do.
Hey Thor! Nice to see you here. Whats your initial take on this bird? How would it fare against SUs or fulcrums? I'm really looking forward to you giving the thunder what for haha
I would venture to say its accurate. I don't actually know but I think the other missiles in DCS are not to specs they should be, which makes the SD-10 look stronger.
Soon, an android game from India will be coming, where they will cool their anger by Shooting JF17 down, from their "Samosa Jet 😂" (Remember, only in the Android Game) "Last Chance Aircraft LCA teja The Flying Samosa" 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
@@stech32m our lion display extreme courage and valour...and your government was under huge pressure both from uncle Sam and India , and was forced to release him in fear of a full scale conventional war which you Pakistanis cannot afford
The dev said they carefully fine tuned the proportional navigation missile guidance logic. It's clear from this video that SD-10 flies a more efficient intercept course than standard DCS missiles. forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4130752&postcount=93 As For the flight model, they applied their own computational fluid dynamics data. The standard missile flight model in DCS has some limitations. They hope to build their own advanced flight model. forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4130765&postcount=95
Block 3 would be with PL-15s which have twice the range than SD-10s so no, not really comparable to fighter jets (the model of F15cs featured in this game) from the 1990s at all.
So the SD-10 is vastly superior to the AIM-120C. They should bring he AIM-120D into the game, I heard that thing is a monster compared to the other variants. Nice work to you and Sunde on this video.
The real issue is that the AIM-120 in DCS vastly underperforms compared to the real thing. The SD-10 is performing like a real missile, and performing about as well as the Amraam should perform. Thankfully ED have said they're going to fix the missile dynamics but we'll see how long that takes.
@@submh0938 No, the SD-10 and PL-5E II both seem to have way toned down drag values at all altitudes. There is no way a missile that burns for under 10seconds goes that far and maintains speed that well. Almost like a Phoenix at this point. I ran various tests against the AI JF-17. Drag defense or notch with lots of chaff is your best bet to defeat it. F-16 with a good high TWS launch has a good chance or killing it too.
@@Stinger522 Aim 120d missiles do have an around 10 to 20 percent longer range than 120c7. However, because of we dont know what variants of aim 120c DCS is using, so it is hard to make an assumption to see how 120d can perform in the game. Besides, after ED fix the missile issue, 120c should have a longer range than sd10. But do u think it is fair to bring aim 120 d to American jets, they already have 9x, i dont really think that people wanna see pl-12b. pl-15 and pl-10 fired by jf-17. Plus, what about Russian jets, even now they stand no chance against 120c, their r 77 and r 77m both has shorter range than 120c7 and no body is working on su 30sm, mig-31 or even su 35. Jump in a server and u will see how many people flying Russian jets. Most people in RED is flying F-16 and f14. Normally, there are more J11a pilots than migs and su27 pilots.
Well that's difficult to answer, but the AIM-120C in game appears to be the first version, not one of the upgraded C models. their were like 8 of them C versions. And the current D model would clearly outclass it. That's one of the problems in fighting/comparing aircraft that are decades if not 40+ years apart.
Lets be careful with asking for the SD-10 to be nerfed, at the end of the day this is a simulator not a battlefield game. If you want my 2 cents I think the SD-10 is preforming how a modern missile should behave. Its the AMRAAMs that are nerfed and not behaving correctly. The range and speed of the AMRAAMs in DCS have always been a topic of hot debate. Me personally? I'd like to see the AMRAAM get a buff, not the SD-10 get a nerf.
Big thank you to Sunde for helping out in this video, the JF-17 is probably the most modern aircraft in DCS right now so I have some high expectations for it in the long run, its had a great launch, obvs a few bugs but its no big deal they will get ironed out soon, for the most part I'm very impressed with this aircraft and I highly recommend it for anyone who is on the fence about it, especially if you like the idea of being competitive in an air to air combat environment. As always guys thank you for watching the video and for your ongoing support, I'm very grateful to have subs like you guys here on the channel.
@Tsär Sh LAWL.
Queue hate from Indian bhakts ... some Indians will genuinely appreciate the hard work involved in bringing this to life though!
Make and India vs Pakistan Air one fly the jf 17
@Tsär Sh lol i don't look to start fights in my videos for views.
Growling Sidewinder understandable but the idea would be amazing
IVE been a fan of you for a very long time , but i might"ve taken that up a few notches when you flew my country"s jet . thank you !!
shaded always looking to represent a new country boss these days it's ur guys turn. Glad you enjoyed it.
@@GrowlingSidewinder Yeah it is really enjoyable..Nice dude
Pakistanis honestly a big fan of you 😊👍
Great job sweeto 👍
Gross
Aim-54: "I'm the best long range air to air missile missile"
*SD-10 enters chat*
SD-10: Not anymore old man.
Then Abhinonedone wets his pants
AIM-120D: Hello old tech, move aside and hold my beer. LOL
@@Savage_Viking Maybe there will be a block 3 version for the JF17 with PL15, that will be really interesting. Just imagine AIM120D vs PL15
Kevin Guo that would be great.
Beautiful video brother, thank you for reviewing our bird😃. Much love & respect from Pakistan✌
Awesome overview of the JF-17 and SD-10 capabilities. The Thunder is definitely gonna give BlueFor a hard time. Loving your content and looking for more JF-17 in action.
Recently , JF 17 was seen with PL-15 missile
160 nm range BRUH
Yep range on that missile is insane! PL-15. Also the jf 17's radar had to be upgraded to be able to match the missile lol! First time in history a missile out performs a radar. But sadly its primary targets are big aircraft like su 30 flankers or awacks and aw aircraft. Its too big the missile
@@FoxtrotDeltazulu brother JF17 BLOCK 3 is going to be ready in march 2020 with AESA rader and alot of things also PL15 missile is going to be for JF 17 block3 not for block 1 and 2
I wud like to see AESA radars on Pak F16s more than JF17s, JF17s can hardly reach Bangladesh, while F16s can reach even Europe lol. No one will b able to challenge Pak in whole Asia like 80s.
aarifboy - I suggest you to post again or edit after your hangover is over.
Good to see JF-17 on your channel. Love from Pakistan. ♥️
You are talal of bahria town
@@umarrana5750 You are Umar of Wah Cantt? :D
@@ZohaibAhmedAuthor You are Zohaib of Swan Garden? 😂
@@ahmadtalal184 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
Aw damn I didn't get to be in the chain :(
Deka recently said SD-10 was able to perform well, because they tweaked the coefficient of proportional navigation law with respect to range. They set 3 parameters at the range of 30km, 15km and 5km. The further away, the less it will response to sudden target manuver. So the missile would save a lot of energy, comparing to lead-persuiting a cranking target and hard-turning all the time.
In fact ED has already implemented this to the 120C before, just not tweaking the parameters detailed enough.
Waiting for more JF-17 dogfights. So excited. Hope you will do more. Will you?
Harris Khan deff down the road yes
@@GrowlingSidewinder Thank you so much. Will wait for it 😊
@@GrowlingSidewinder just for a chery on the top make it 2 Mig 21s
I bet JF-17 with that PL-5E has shortage on dogfights. The PL-5E does not have active delectable engine like R-73 or AIM9X has. So, IMO JF-17 should be limited by its not-able-to-do-crazy-turn PL-5E.
@@ati4280 JF 17 uses AIM-9
My uncle was a wing commander in the PAF. Did his Combat Commanders course with the JF-17. I had the honour of flying in a training variant and it was an amazing time. Really happy to see this in the sim. I’ll definitely set this up for him sometime
Awesome!
very cool i'm sure he would enjoy that.
Shut up dude!
Stop lying
The training version of jf-17 is not even operational in PAF
And jf-17 was inducted in combat commanders school in 2015
To get the rank of Wing commander in PAF passing ccs is must and if your uncle “was” a wing commander it means he got his rank after 2015 and is now retired this tells about his skills......
Secondly PAF doesn’t give joy rides to nephews of pilots 😂
My father us group captain , and i know you are lying ......Jf-17 doesn't even have a B variant .....😂😂😂😂😂..........Aur humain simulator k paas nai janay detay , ap ko flying ka chance bhi de diya
Lover Boy
Though thunder has a B variant but its not operational yet (8 Dual seat airframes were handed over to PAF on December 27/28 2019)
But this guy is lying i have explained in my comment above.
The two-seater version of this aircraft, JF-17B, had its first flight only a few days ago. Exciting stuff!
Tea is fantastic sir
Tea is fantastic sir 😂😂
秋冬桑 Right
😂😂
Pakistanis and Chinese always make great tea together Lol 😂
Right sir
Man this is a nasty 🐦 respect
thanks boss, thanks also for watching glad you liked it
@@GrowlingSidewinder great tutoring bro I've realized how damn potent Russian tech is man.. it's actually grossly underrated 👌
@@joshstanton267 Russian? 😀 Isn't PL-15 Chinese?
Hamid Baqi he means the JF17 it's based off of Russian and Chinese fuselage and aerodynamics
The 104th chaps are going to ask this to be nerfed otherwise they’ll put the JF-17 on the Blue Side 😂
ilyushka00 lolol
I felt a great disturbance, as if millions of F-15 pilots suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
Give this man a beer ! :D
Oh don't you worry, if there's anything we can count on in DCS it's redfor crybabies' ingenuity in finding excuses to cry.
I'd say enjoy that SD-10 (and datalink, and MAWS, and the slew of standoff precision guided weapons, and the Vikhrs-in-a-rocket-pod), but we both know you'll be back to whining about something way before you put any of that through its paces.
JF-17 Block III has arrived and the two seater variant JF17-B, 8 of them have already been delivered to PAF.
Finally, been waiting for this since you made the F-16 vs Mig-21 video.
wait no longer brother
Growling Sidewinder ytb ❤️
Mr Khan no ytb
Growling Sidewinder aight 😅
@@GrowlingSidewinder he doesnt need to wait, it already happened in the skies , when an F-16 B took an R73 in the face and went down killing both the pilots.
Excellent introduction and demo. Great work as usual mate!
thank you brother, I appreciate the love.
AIM-120: "Am i joke to you" :(
Meanwhile meteor "hey I do exist!!"
Георгий Мурзич R-77 works on two principles - radar guidance and infrared simultaneously. This is the reason why F16s and JF-17s did not dare to come close to Indian Mirages when they were bombing Balakot in Pakistani mainland. Once they are in range of this missile then there is no way they can come close.
@@chinadarshan8437 lol your comment makes no sense, are you on drugs? First you mention R-77 and then you mentioned F-16s and JF-17 facing Mirages? LMAO. For your information Indian Mirage 2000 dont use BVR missiles. Mirage will die or either push back into defensive position before it can fire its Magic IIs. F-16 and JF-17 dont even have to go near Mirage.
PK Avenger - I am talking about first day when Indian Mirages under top protective cover of Mig-29s (carrying R77) crossed LOC, reached Balakot and then bombed some pigs to hell. Please understand English although you are madrassa educated but please try.
PK Avenger - Indian Mirages are armed with MICA missiles which are mid range BVR missiles famous for shooting targets smaller than their own size. Anyways point is, when your F-16s which were scrambled during our raid, returned immediately considering there would be no-use fighting since they were in R-77s range. R-77 when in range is the most deadly missile still working on two principles simultaneously.
Buy JF-17 Thunder and get a chance to have a cup of tea with your enemy;)
that cup of tea must be fantastic XDDDD
@@C6H3 very Fantastic lol XDD
all in the wold high price tea. one cup..price...mig21 fighter jet.
Iaf Mig21 will eat jf 17 and such future junk aircrafts for brkfast and won't even burp... And that too after it shot down a f16.. Sheesh u caused a global embarrassment for Pakistan and US as well... The only thing jf 17 is capable of, is delivering fantastic tea.. PAF is the only air force which got kicked in its a** and yet hosted the enemy, offered tea and with all respect escorted him back ha ha :D :D.. This is what morbid fear of enemy makes PAF do(Dushman ki mehmannawazi) ..BTW tea had to be fantastic or else another Balakot would have been in the pipeline..
@@hssp1534 I Love When You Talk Like That. That Flying Coffin Mig 21 Is A Serving IAF Way Beyong Its Expiry Date.🤣🤣🤣
sd-10 alone should generate some sales . hehe.
PL-15 is integrated on JF Block III and PL10E as fox2! Aesa Radar, Helmet Mounted Display, Whole new Avionics
Perhaps a F-14 (AIM-54) vs JF-17 (SD-10) comparison next?
JF 17 is good only against a P51 mustang :D :D
@dragon slayer4324 isn't he also a live example of how in the right and skillful hands a pocket knife can also become a shamsheer.. Well he took out a jf 17 with an outdated fighter and then was shot down... Coz he went behind the enemy lines.. But yet he managed to achieve all that... Think about it.. Just think.. I know it pains your behind when u think about it.. When the rafale gets fully inducted and in the hands of pilots like him shud u guys be even sending ur jf17s up in the air.. Unless ull want ur fighters to be history I don't think u shud
@dragon slayer4324 cmon bro that's the best I could come up for your jf17s.. Wonder why the Chinese haven't considered it for their air force.. Wonder wonder
@dragon slayer4324 what su 30..there was only the mig 21that was shot down.. A fact confirmed by your dg ispr.. Cmon now.. Don't create imaginary data and bask in the imagination.. And BTW we are not restricted in our use of su 30 the way it is for you guys with f16 that we would need Russia to come and count it... Ha ha
@dragon slayer4324 ha ha..this is exactly the kind of ignorance that made you guys lose the 1971 war. False propaganda of bravado by your govt claiming 'we won this sector..that sector' whereas the truth was clear that Indian forces were gaining ground regularly into pakistan which finally resulted in what we all aware today..your people at that time were celebrating false victory when india was clearly at your doorstep..i think history is repeating itself..NO MY FRIEND NO SU 30 MKI was shot down and stop believing in hearsay..JF 17 dont have the capacity to take on a su 30 MKI..btw your ispr hasnt even clarified what fighters were used..else US will be up your a** wanting to know why f16 was used and lost to a mig 21..:D :D
Structural features
The aerodynamic shape of SD-10 is in line with the latest trend of air-to-air missile technology in the world. It adopts a normal aerodynamic shape layout with large slenderness ratio, small wingspan, and rudder control. This layout has small volume, light weight, small resistance, faster flight speed and greater maneuvering overload. The full length is 3850mm, the diameter is 203mm, and the range is 70km. The main difference between the appearance of the bomb and the Thunder-4 is that the full bomb is relatively slender, the bomb wing is smaller, the main wing is smaller than the tail rudder, the tail rudder is provided with a zigzag notch, and the front of the bomb body is provided with four dark bands Antenna.
Development History
The SD-10 medium-range air-to-air missile was developed in the mid-1980s, and all development work has been completed. As the guidance method is an advanced active radar plus strapdown inertial navigation system, the SD-10 has the ability to "don't care after launch". Its overload of up to 38G can also ensure that the missile can track and intercept air targets that implement 9G overload maneuvers. In addition, SD-10 has a strong anti-interference ability, which can effectively combat several forms of electronic interference, basically covering the current common electronic interference methods.
Use case
SD-10 is very versatile and can be mounted on various advanced fighter aircrafts. In order to improve the combat effectiveness and use of SD-10, China is still actively improving it. The first is to increase the effective range, which is expected to exceed 100. Kilometers; followed by better electronic components and improved guidance accuracy. In the future, it is also possible to develop the SD-10 into ground-to-air and ship-to-air types, equipped on high-mobility off-road vehicles and warships, and become short-range or regional air defense weapons.
Thanks for covering JF17.
Many countries are buying JF17 from Pakistan. These countries include Myanmir and Nigeria. And countries like malaysia, argentina and sirilanka are already shortlisting it.
*Sir Abhinandan, all that detail was for you* 😂
😂😂😂
He had fantastic tea that's what matters
Oh poor shahzazuddin must have felt very bad when the r-73 missile screwed his f-16.
@@max2008abhi buahahah dont watch bollywood media😂
U can find all ur mig missiles😂
V r not endians, we talk with proof...
Don't mess around when a JF-17 Thunder is around!
I’m kinda new to your channel , but your intro is awesome M8 “good kill good kill”
Love it !
thanks james, glad you like it brother and thanks for checking out the channel.
The SD-10 is based on the PL-12 missile which should have similar ranges to the R-77-1 (upgraded R-77) and AIM-120C-7 (upgrade to extend the range of the C model). So I expected it to be longer range but didn't expect it would be that dominant, at least in energy retention with a turn. As far as chaff resistance goes, its a generation newer than the AIM-120C so it's to be expected. Not sure if this missile is in a completed state development wise but even if it isn't remember it's a generation newer than the AIM-120C so expect it to be VERY deadly.
So AIM-120D coming? Perhaps even Meteor as well... R-77M? Just to keep balance with weapons in the same generation and going slightly into the next generation.
hey jeff nice to see you again on here boss. I believe the counter measure resistance is very similar to the aim120c, but the aim120c was always awesome with that and has a very small notch window, the SD-10 has a larger notch window, but in terms of missile behavior I think its the aim120 that needs a buff not the SD-10 needing a nerf.
@@GrowlingSidewinder yea I'm thinking the differnt variants of the AIM-120C (C, C-4, C-5, C-6, C-7) would be nice. That would allow scenario designers to decide what the player should have to make the mission challenging. The AIM-120D is much newer, we don't have an Eagle in the game from the last decade so they'd need to model all the other changes before they just gave us the D model on a 1990's Eagle.
dundun92 lol I can't tell if ur srs the amraam Charlie hardly even cares about chaff unless in a notch
@@WangGanChang - The AIM-260 has already been selected to replace the AIM-120D in the F-22 and F/A-18 with F-35 upgrades coming a couple years later.
Abih one done 😂😂 the tea was fantastic
SD-10 looks like a good one indeed. Now to get the proper functions on the 120's :) Thanks GS and Sundae!
Nice looking plane, for sure.
One can only imagine how much A.I. is used now and how accurate it is.
JF-17 Thunder prove Its Self against Indian MiG 21 & SU-30 on 27 Feb 2018..
27 feb 2019*
Both were Shot by F16 (Official monument site of PAF). JF17 provided cover to Mirages to launch stand off weapons.
@@balawalahmad1333 there was no f16 used official ispr report if you have any proof that prove otherwise plz do provide
@@drfakherimam3084 "Operation Swift Retort" for 27th Feb 2019 memorial has been placed at Sarghoda Air Base. It is clearly mentioned that Mig-21 Bison was shot down by AIM-9 Side winder missile that is used by F-16 in dog fight. And Sukoi-30 Flanker was shot by AIM-120 (BVR) missile that is used by F-16 as well in Beyond Visual Range targets. Kindly find info at defence.pk page and do search on google.
@@balawalahmad1333 that means Asif Ghaffor is a liar 🤥
The guidance and the drag coefficients on the SD-10 are insane. Really shows what the AAMRAM should be capable of if slightly less capable than the SD-10. There needs to be some real work done on the DCS missiles by Eagle Dynamics.
It's been long overdue. All the missiles need to be reworked, not just the AiM-120, but the AiM-7 and ER's considering they practically act the same.
Great video and thanks for that little IFF tidbit info as I’m still learning this Aircraft
Danny my pleasure thank you for watching
Sir tea is fantastic 😂
And so were the servants serving it
😝
Kyon nahi haram ke pilly dushman ke hath se tea peene ka maja or dugna ho jata hae jab f16 ko gira ke tea pi jati hae 😁😁😁😁ab rone mat lag jana 😆😆😆😆😆🤫🤫😁
@@MaheshKumar-hi3ui
America ny khod genti ki hy Pakistani f16 ki to wo poray thay or jis jaga ka tum dawa kartay ho logo ko marny ka waha 2 darkhto k ilawa just ak kawa mara hy complete sboot han or International Media ny coverage ki hy
To kia tumhary pas just ak bhe Real video Culip hy kia F16 k gerny ka just ak photage he dekha do
@@MaheshKumar-hi3ui
is tra say hum bhe bol sakty han hum ny 50 Sokhai geraye lakin humari adaat nhe khabo ki dunia main rahna
Bilkul ise tra say tumhara chotiyaa Bollywood desh k moo main jo ata hy bol dayta hy jiska Real dunia main koi yakeen nhe karta
Jb such kholta hy dunia dekhati hy pak army indian airforce ko kotay wala pata pahna k ghaseet kr lay jati hy to bhot kotay wali badnami hoti hy tumhari or tumhary Bollywood media ki to pora digital world tum pay hasta hy or bharart ka pori dunia main mazaak ban k rah jata pher tum apny khabo khayalo ko reailty k sath jorho asy her medan main petty raho gy or zaleel hotay raho gay
@Asharib Siddiqui Sahi kaha bro ye chotiyaa gater main naha naha k comment karty han in zaleel logo ko kia pata jhooth bolany say inko or bhe ziyada gand phatti hy lakin gand mRwana inka khandani pasha hy
Thank you for this, Growling Sidewinder. Much love and respect.
Holy smokes those missiles are deadly! The Aim-120 needs a buff ASAP!
Ash Bukhari agreed man. Thanks for watching man I appreciate the love.
Wow such an amazing missile 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🇵🇰 we already outraged Indian missiles with AIM 120s now with SD10 and other Chinese missiles 😅😅 more tea will be served i suppose
@Ben White I get what you are saying, but having a capable military to defend, or discourage possible threats is also a good way to protect your people.
With protection, you can focus on creating better lives for your people.
@Ben White absolutely sir, these keyboard warriors think they know everything.
MFZ711 so basically you live of others shit 😂 #bhikarisala
I just wanted to say that this channel is fantastic. Not only are you one of the best virtual pilots I have ever seen, your videos are informative and to the point. Not droning on and on before getting to the point scores big points, there are so many videos that I cant even get one minute into because the knucklehead is talking about everything BUT the topic of the video. So I salute you, and please keep these coming! I especially enjoy the cinematic aspects, some of these dogfights are movie quality.
And how on earth do you keep TrackIR so still? Even with huge deadzones I can not manage to look around as smoothly as you do.
Hey growling sidewinder! Great video as always. Keep up the good work
Danial Tariq thanks man will do. Thanks for the love brother
F-16 is still my all time fav... but the JF being homemade is scrappy and I respect it as it reflects the true spirit within all us Paks, fightin and kickin against all odds, doing more with less against bigger and better equipped enemies. Thanks for sharing, & high fives all around from Pak.
The PL-12 is about 20% larger and 10 years newer so it should outrange the 120C ?
I guess the Pak airforce would know best since they operate both.
Atleast they havent added the PL-15 :)
Thay have allready bought pl-15 which is going to be used in block 3.
tomte47 not as much as it is, amraam guidance and range is not accurate and needs to get buffed a bit
@@GrowlingSidewinder What's inaccurate about it's guidance? It's more notch resistant then R77, it works in TWS, it lead chases
@@reillybrangan2182 see that's where it will cause more arguments. How do you judge guidance laws and notch resistance. For example some reasonably intelligent people suggest fox 3 can not be more resistant then decent fox 1. That's reflected in DCS. 27ER is more resistant then 120, 120 is more resistant then R77. Effective distances is a different story of cause
Pl-15 is coming bro
I saw many DCS videos about jf17 , but I was waiting for your video , I I am glad that it was worth waiting 👍👍
F 15 to SD-10:Am I a joke to you,twice?
I actually liked you reading about the JF 17 better than me reading it on my own.
I work in the final assembly line of this aircraft with the Pakistani Air Force. Not overly impressive but a decent bang for your buck. Good flying in DCS! Looking forward to more uploads with this aerial machine
Good vid! SD10 seems like a great modern missile. Really need to buff the AMRAAM though. It's sad
Ek chai ke liye itni mehnat ufff (all this effort just for a cup of tea.😂👍)
Tea has to be fantastic 😉
Ayy 50k subs growling! :D
ya budddyyy
@@GrowlingSidewinder holy shit growling, 212k subs in UNDER a year. Insanity, but damn does it show you're working HARD and it's showing. Genre defining stuff here man.
if you pitch up 15 degress while launch, the sd-10 will loft
good to know i'll try it out. thanks for the tip boss
@@GrowlingSidewinder Could you show the same engagements but with the lofting?
@@GrowlingSidewinder has to be in RWS then STT for that to work as well
This is JF 17 Thunder the Killer of Su 30 and a MIG 21 of Indian Air force on 27 Feb 2019.i t is a fight proven machine.
MUHAMMAD TAHIR ALI. Damn those facts as real as this video.
Wow you proved how good is the JF 17 and its missiles.. Thanks
Curious to see if the SD-10 and Phoenix performances are sufficiently matched so that dominance as a long-range missile could essentially come down to the difference in their chaff appetites!
Very cool vid. I watch yours and Longshots all the time. Totally like the way you narrate and give instruction on these. If I had a setup to fly I doubt I'd get anything else done in the house ever! LOL. Keep making the vids! Really appreciate them.
Jf 17.....buy this and catch ur enemies alive!Offer tea and get great compliments....FANTASTIC TEA
Your economy is dependent on making tea...no wonder your country is in debt
Wow👍 what a honest review of JF-17 gr8 job, weldone
The Tea is Fantastic.
JF17 thunder
Porkistan becoming a Chinese colony way more fantastic 😎😎
Respect from China🇨🇳 I am a fan of ur flying skills now!
Apparently TH-cam ate my last comment. On ED forum, the dev made several statements on missile performance.
1. They spent a lot of effort fine tuning their proportional navigation guidance logic. The flight path is efficient within the limits of DCS.
2. They have their own computational fluid dynamics data for the missile and used that to build on the DCS standard missile model. They hope to build a more advanced missile flight model later because the standard model has limitations.
Two days ago Pakistan has conducted first flight of JF 17 thunder , In China . It is actually block-lll with no major changes , but it's has advanced radars , and major cockpit changes .
JF-17 Thunder Block-III.
1: AESA
2: Wide aspect HUD
3: MAWS
4: Upgraded EW
5: HMD ?
6: IRST (will be added later)
7: Software upgrade
8: 3 axis digital FBW
9: PL-15
WHAT ELSE DO YOU WANT
@@NidoKhan1000 my comment is concerned with it's body actually , but I accept that my comment is literally wrong, bcz I have different sense .
It's my 9th time watching this video again. I am just too excited for this jet (vidz). Hope you do more videos of this jet. And also share your opinions about this jet. Comparing it with other jets will be nice. That way we can know it's pro's and con's. Thank you so much again. Hope you read this comment 😊😊
PL-15, Aesa Radar and lot of new things are integrated on JF Block III and PL10E as fox2!
PAKISTAN ZINDABAD
I am Abhinondon bortoman, Tea was Fantastic ☕🤣
Jf17 is a professional machine 😍
I feel proud watching this video tho it's just a game. I'm Chinese btw XD
Alex Cao China has a lot to be proud of when it comes to their technological improvements over the last decade or two.
@@GrowlingSidewinder you know what? this is why I like to watch your video, pure facts, no bullshits! keep up the good work, looking forward to watch your new videos
🇵🇰❤️🇨🇳
Pakistan and China cooperated very nicely, there was a huge amount of expertise from the Pakistani side as it was designed for them.
Makes me proud as a pakistani national residing in china. Both people are very hard working. PAF is the best Air Force in asia i believe.
Mount the TGP. You can slave it to your locked on RADAR target and it will give you some awareness as to what he is doing. Great to look for missile launches too.
With those speeds, I'm curious how well it would perform climbing to a high altitude target from low altitude.
The tea is fantastic 👌
Waited along way to see u fly jf17...
Nice introduction of the plane and awesome vdo.
thank you glad you enjoyed
Love from San Francisco!
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Thanks for the video and taking the time to do the test. Looks quite awesome to me. Funny thing is I am trying to learn the BVR stuff and especially online, always been more for the Warbirds. I was at your server yesterday for the second time ever but left shortly after as the chat was filled with whining about the Jf-17 and the SD-10. If it's one thing that is static through the flight sim community, no matter what game or sim, is whining about the things that challenge someones favorite plane or thing. In this case the 120C stopped being the best missile in the came and somehow that challenges people view in the world. How could a western made missile not be better than an eastern made goes the argument.
Well, the SD-10 is at least 10 years newer than the Aim 120C so a better comparison between the two would probably be the 120D in the future.
Like you said though, be careful with wanting a nerf for whatever, this is a sim not an FPS that needs balancing every week.
By the way, is there a way to beat the SD-10 at the moment? Diving, notching and chaffing didn't do anything apparently :-O
/Wilbus
Thank you!
Wow JF17 Thunder the beauty❤❤❤❤❤
Those dislikes are from pajeets from the streets
Thanks ........
make us very proud.......
and you are very impressive pilot ......
With the gentle and uniform curve of that missile I am tempted to think that the F15 pilot unwittingly botched his attempt to defeat the missile. If he were being properly evasive the missile would have need to correct more aggressively
Thank you for this one. THis will help greatly !
OMG, so this is the Jet which shot 2 IAF Jets, captured 1 pilot on 27th Feb 2019, BRAVO
Geez... the SD-10 (PL-12) got crazy homing system
From wikipedia, it is said that the homing system are from Agat R-77 Vympel, while we know that R-77 didn't as smart as that SD-10 do, yes the SD-10 has more kinetic energy due to have different booster that the R-77 did, but considered the AIM-120C had better kinetic energy than R-77 did, the SD-10 are lethal combination of seeker and energy!
DCS should added Typhoon and Meteor to counteract this...
(SD-10 are glitching right now?)
Love to DCS from 💐❤️❤️🇵🇰❤️❤️💐🦅
Awesome video dude!
Looks like Redfor finally has something to fight the Aim-54. :D
FouckFace on my server red has the aim54 too lol
@@GrowlingSidewinder o no
I had a feeling there might be some controversy on this one. Anyway, I love your videos. Probably the most informative sim dogfighting videos out there. I need quite a bit of practice yet. A whole lot, in fact, but I can't wait to jump on your server when I think I can stay in the air more than a few minutes, lol. But great stuff. I really appreciate what you do.
Hey Thor! Nice to see you here. Whats your initial take on this bird? How would it fare against SUs or fulcrums? I'm really looking forward to you giving the thunder what for haha
thanks thor, glad you enjoyed the video brother thanks for watching.
sd10 is cheaper too apparently - how realistic is this speed though
I would venture to say its accurate. I don't actually know but I think the other missiles in DCS are not to specs they should be, which makes the SD-10 look stronger.
Missile missile missile. Where have I herd that before? Almost like some sort of ace of combat😏. Nice video
Soon, an android game from India will be coming, where they will cool their anger by Shooting JF17 down, from their "Samosa Jet 😂"
(Remember, only in the Android Game)
"Last Chance Aircraft LCA teja The Flying Samosa"
😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
LCA means.. Lun Choot Actors 😂😂😂😂
Tamatar lelo phelele... Corona ki medicine maang rahe ho india se bhikhariyo😬😬😬
China ki underwear mask were fantastic.
JF17 - Junk Fighter 17, now go dwell in ur garbage of a country
Why don't you first start building paper planes. You dont even have that technology in your country
Thankyou so much for making this video love your videos so much
yes! been waiting for this!
Wow! The fate of every Indian fighter.... a debris field, thanks to a very, very capable fighter jet and an even more capable missile.
Oh really??...the world knows what had happened on 27 Feb...seems that your coward govt and you people are still living in a dream world
Seershoo Deb tell us what happened with abhilundan 😂😂😂😂😂
@@stech32m our lion display extreme courage and valour...and your government was under huge pressure both from uncle Sam and India , and was forced to release him in fear of a full scale conventional war which you Pakistanis cannot afford
@@stech32m seems that your language depicts your level of frustration from the reality
If jf17 not hunt your su30 and mig then how we get your abhinandan wing commander in r trtory babe don't b shame full Indians don't worry no problem
Hey GS, do a JF 17 vs F 16 dogfight.. as a comparison on what's better in what ways.. keep up the great work!!
AVIC Chengdu: just take it
Love you jf 17 your the killer machine for example (the tea was fantastic).
make more videos on JF 17
Thanks so much growling.
my pleasure man glad you enjoyed
*The Tea is Fantastic Sir* 🇵🇰☕🇵🇰
Looks a good fighter with great capabilities ❤️
Make a JF17 VS SU30 video!
First handle ur F16...
You mean SU30 MKI right? Bro, I know what you are thinking. Lol
SU30 doesn't exist in official capacity in DCS. So it can't be done.
In terms of looks the SU-33 would take that. But BVR fox 3 that would be for the J-11.
god no, the comment section will be an absolute nightmare
The dev said they carefully fine tuned the proportional navigation missile guidance logic. It's clear from this video that SD-10 flies a more efficient intercept course than standard DCS missiles.
forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4130752&postcount=93
As For the flight model, they applied their own computational fluid dynamics data. The standard missile flight model in DCS has some limitations. They hope to build their own advanced flight model.
forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4130765&postcount=95
So it means my JF-17 block 3 can give a tough competition to any fighter jet specially french rafale that India bragging all the time.
Lmao get of your high horse. On 27th Feb not one Jeff fired an SD-10 towards the IAF M2Ks
Block 3 would be with PL-15s which have twice the range than SD-10s so no, not really comparable to fighter jets (the model of F15cs featured in this game) from the 1990s at all.
Great video! Wish to see more of this bird
So the SD-10 is vastly superior to the AIM-120C. They should bring he AIM-120D into the game, I heard that thing is a monster compared to the other variants. Nice work to you and Sunde on this video.
The real issue is that the AIM-120 in DCS vastly underperforms compared to the real thing. The SD-10 is performing like a real missile, and performing about as well as the Amraam should perform.
Thankfully ED have said they're going to fix the missile dynamics but we'll see how long that takes.
@@submh0938 How much harder do you think it be if the AIM120D was in the game?
@@submh0938 No, the SD-10 and PL-5E II both seem to have way toned down drag values at all altitudes. There is no way a missile that burns for under 10seconds goes that far and maintains speed that well. Almost like a Phoenix at this point. I ran various tests against the AI JF-17. Drag defense or notch with lots of chaff is your best bet to defeat it. F-16 with a good high TWS launch has a good chance or killing it too.
@@Stinger522 Aim 120d missiles do have an around 10 to 20 percent longer range than 120c7. However, because of we dont know what variants of aim 120c DCS is using, so it is hard to make an assumption to see how 120d can perform in the game.
Besides, after ED fix the missile issue, 120c should have a longer range than sd10.
But do u think it is fair to bring aim 120 d to American jets, they already have 9x, i dont really think that people wanna see pl-12b. pl-15 and pl-10 fired by jf-17.
Plus, what about Russian jets, even now they stand no chance against 120c, their r 77 and r 77m both has shorter range than 120c7 and no body is working on su 30sm, mig-31 or even su 35. Jump in a server and u will see how many people flying Russian jets. Most people in RED is flying F-16 and f14. Normally, there are more J11a pilots than migs and su27 pilots.
Well that's difficult to answer, but the AIM-120C in game appears to be the first version, not one of the upgraded C models. their were like 8 of them C versions. And the current D model would clearly outclass it. That's one of the problems in fighting/comparing aircraft that are decades if not 40+ years apart.