Chevy Corvette vs Pontiac Trans Am Drag Race, Roll Race & Brake Test: Which Cheap Muscle Car Best
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Love these type videos, keep'em coming guys. And gotta say TFL is one of my favorite channels & the whole team.👍🏻👍🏻
Sadly from 2030 on all combustion cars including classics will be banned
from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the
Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025
on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas
station per city or county. Now they want to slow down all the gas station fuel
pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in
the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems,
turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and
New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be
done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of
crime here, called emissions and smoke crime !!!! (BABVVO laws!!!!)
C4s are aging extremely well! They were so far ahead of their time.
Not really but Ok
@@nbagoats4819 c4s set several performance records that stood for decades before they were broken.
As an owner of one, with the 6 speed, they are creaky and behind the times. It’s a beauty and sounds good though.
@@petermuller161 newest L98 Vette is 32 years old, I'd say I agree with you lol
@@nbagoats4819 C4 was and still is great, and definitely was ahead of its competitors.
My dad had an 86 corvette when I was a kid. All my friends thought my dad was so cool when he picked me up from school in it. Used to love those digital gauges and man I miss those leather wrapped steering wheels in them. Great video..... really reminded me off my old man..... lost him to cancer in 2013..... but watching this just brought up some great memories 💯
I wish him safe travels into the beyond. My dad had a 98 SS when he got out the Marines. I got a 96 Z28 a couple years ago since he is so busy with work and stuff to bring back those memories when he rides with me
The Trans Am needs a driver mod. That LT 1 has way more potential especially 16 seconds in quarter mile.😂
Yeah, he did a horrible job driving the TA.
Back when these cars were new, I autocrossed an 88, non-turbo rx7 and had someone put an accelerometer in it to time me. I ran a 15.1 quarter with 150 hp. On a mountain runway. Lol.
Yea i had a 96 TA auto car back in 99 and it ran a 13.89 at 100 bone stock,but im barely above sea level here in VA.
As usual they have to remind everyone they’re running in Colorado where all times are way off what the mainstream is used to.
@@christophermorales1509 why, are they racing up hill or something? 🤔
This is my favorite channel/series of all the TFL channels. I love seeing these 80s/90s cars. Maybe someday you guys will get your hands on a GNX. I’d also like to see some of the sport trucks from the era. The 454SS in particular and a Syclone.
Something is wrong with that TA. LT1 should walk that L98 no problem
I agree I’ve been in both cars the lt1 should be a lot faster
Driver is shifting at 4800 rpms is the problem. Could probably use a tune up too
I was thinking the same thing!
I have a 1994 C4 LT1 6sp manual and am in Arvada CO. Let’s do this, I’d love to see how the two C4’s fair against each other.
Go show him what a LT1 can do. My 92 LT1 C4 was definitely faster than my 88 C4.
would love to see this as well
Please don't go and embarrass Tommy. Tommy really sucks at racing.
Like and comment to get Tommy’s attention. I want to see this too.
That would be nice to see.
Something tells me that T/A needs some more loving. I really can't figure out how an L98 was able to walk away from an LT1, even with the weight difference. Mile above sea level or not, thats at least 2 seconds slower than the usual 1/4 mile times.
Not saying the T/A SHOULD have been faster outright, but it should have been a lot closer than that.
I bet the ta has a trap speed about 1 or 2 mph faster. I've had several c4 tpi vettes and took them to the strip allot. The l98 runs better to about the thousand ft mark or 90 to 95 mph. After that the lt1 starts to creep ahead
I used to beat 6 speed LT1s all the time in my L98. LT1s weren't impressive. The tuned runners helped rhe L98 run hard despite choking the engine at high RPMs. You can't look at just peak power. The L98 had a better mid range than the untuned 3" runners of the LT1
@The Logical Lifter Not just going by peak power, going by the numbers that I can find for both of their 1/4 mile times when stock. The best I can see is the L98 was somewhere around 13.9-14.1 and the T/A was 14.1-14.3. Here the 'Vette absolutely walked away.
I'm not saying the T/A should have been quicker, but it should have been closer than it was.
Please keep these kind of series coming, I really enjoy them.
Something is definitely up with that TA. The LT1 made WAY more power than that L98 C4 did. I used to own LT1 fbods way back in the day and would routinely mop the floor with L98 Vettes. It wasn't even a contest. I would lay money on that Opticrap, I mean Optispark going bad. When mine did, it was like a different car, like someone knocked off 75 or 80 horsepower.
I know because I had a 88 5.0 mustang back in the early 90's and I had no problems with C4 corvettes, 350 TA's and 350 Iroc's until they came out with LT1 in 92.
That or they can’t drive
@@cubedmackLol, it was all over after the LT1 dropped, I know the feeling.
Nope. My L98 1991 Firebird Formula ran 14.2 stock and a 13.7 with free mods and a new higher stall torque converter with a 1.91 60 foot. The torque curve of the L98 plus the ability to stay in the same gear for so long really was a winning combination.
Exactly what I was thinking Def an opti issue needs to just go 24x
I love my c4 corvette never understood why they were so under rated. One of the most well rounded corvettes ever if u ask me
I'm an import gut and bought a '94 6-spd on a whim. I am very impressed with the car. I've found myself wanting an '89 6-spd now, too!
@@andydhillon1977why a 1989?
@Jesterok Jones First year the Corvette got a 6-spd manual transmission.
Same! My favorite body style, especially 80s C4.
Listen to all that GM plastic rattle, I still like the car
😂😂😂
Union quality
No you can't get a T/A for less than $10k, you can't find them! Especially a WS6.
That trans am steering wheel/column shake and rattle is a little scary 🤣
I noticed that as well and yeah there's a serious issue there!!
They should switch drivers around and try again! I feel like the vette driver was the only good driver
Better get that T/A looked at. No way on God's green earth it should lose. Like never. Great video however.
Guy is shifting way too early
@@BlackRam17 He even said in the video "no point in revving higher" at like 4500 lol
Facts!!
T/A needs a driver mod badly, that car has more in it that we aren’t seeing.
I love how u guys got together and had a goal...now u r at almost 200k subscribers.
Where are you located? We've got a 2023 c8 currently in Utah that you can race.
that would be fun
I mopped quite a few C4 Vettes with my '02 SS. That Pontiac should be doing way better than it is
Damn guys, I feel like if you ever get a chance to race at sea level it'll feel like you're doing warp speed. Great as always
Stock Trans-Am of thatera and spec shoud be around 14.00 flat in the quarter. I'd imagine the c4 should be... high 14s,
Which is BALLZZ quick for both these beautiful rigs! I'd LOVE to own either of them!
That LT1, honestly should have pulled that vette.. Dyno the T/A, let's see what it puts down to the wheel..
TA either needs driver mod or something’s wrong with it. The LT1 will mop the floor against a L98
The T/A should definitely be faster, especially with the 6 speed. The car definitely has an issue beyond driver error.
yeah, but the vette is really small . on a none prepped surface i could see the extra 700 pounds being a problem for the TA.
@@jayb3955 lol more like 150 pounds more on the ta
It’s mostly driver I think, guy is shifting at like 4800 rpm
@@jayb3955 700 lbs what are you on lol
@@rockoz28ctd I looked it up thought it was more but its over 300 pounds my bad
I think the TA need some love and a tune up. Definitely sounded a little strained when it was revved
I think so too. It should be at least a second and a half faster.
It absolutely needs a tune up. Before they even ran, when he revved it, I said something is wrong with that it.
@@wallacerickmanii I liked the sound of it to be honest but I agree it shouldn't sound like that lol
I owned a 87 C4 with the L98 Lots of torque but runs out of steam due to the undersized intake. Some minor mods would help make power over 4000RPM.
Something is definitely wrong with the TA, it should easily beat the C4 w/L98.
Yup needs a new optispark
Watching this video because this summer I’m gonna fix my dads 1994 formula V8 firebird and I’m excited 😂
Best video to wake up to!! Hell yeah! Love you guys. Cheers from Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. We should do a video on J body cars. Let's talk about Sunfires Coupes, Cavalier Coupes and Saturn Coupes. Touch up on some history from 1982 - 2005
I owned a 1988 Corvette Z51. It was a fun car. I also had a 1991 ZR-1, much more fun. I now own a 2011 CTS-V funnest of them all. Thanks for the video. I still love the old C4 vette!
I have a 35th anniversary Corvette, 1988. Stock it's running 14.4 at 103 mph in Orlando Florida
Those are terrible times. I ran a 14.4 at 99 mph in my 95 Formula Firebird when I ran it back in 00. my 02 T/A ran 13.4 at 105
It's the elevation. Those cars would be in the mid to low 14s at sea level. I had a 89 vette with a auto and 307 gears it ran 13.78 at 100 bone stock other then some mufflers and a rear y pipe
@Jeff Flaig I have no idea why this channel and others in Colorado like that That Racing Channel or whatever do these. It's embarrassing to hear them list times with cars suffocating in that elevation. Just don't or move.
That C4 Corvette is really impressive. Watching 80's GM be successful is like watching a Cheetah hunt successfully
Them LT engines were ahead of their time
@@angelgjr1999 It doesn't have the LT it has the l98
@@angelgjr1999 The Pontiac is the one rocking the LT1. The LT1 didn't hit the C4, until 1992.
Was not aware that a '95 was an early T/A. My '71 was just a dream, I guess.
I have a 91 vette. Last year l98, first year body refresh. This old l98 with the 6 speed manual will make you smile all day. If you can drive it normal 30mpg on the highway is easy.
I had a beautiful C4 '86 Corvette Z51 for 20 years. I was afraid to take it out of the garage because someone would ding it with theyr'e door.
Either there is something seriously wrong with that Trans Am or you guys cannot drive worth a lick. I used to drag race regularly at Pueblo drag strip and even the automatic LT1 Z28 cars were running high 14s-15.0's. And mind you at that time if you did not have slicks or drag radials they made you race on the unprepped portion of the track at Pueblo.
This is the most casual racing I’ve ever seen LOL! My stock 1991 Mustang 5.0 (only did an exhaust for sound) ran 13.9-14.3 all day long, and C4 Corvettes would always edge me out. This video is so casual it hurts to watch 🤣🤣🤣
I'd be curious to see a dyno on the T/A. Seems it should be doing a bit better on the acceleration runs. Perhaps the similar torque and lighter weight of the Vette explains it.
He said that he didn't see any need to rev past 5,000 rpm. He isn't getting the most from the car. Put someone in that can drive and you may get a different result.
The Trans Am needs a driver mod.
@@1997SScamaroNOS They both do, guy in the vette shifts slow, the other guy won’t rev past 5k. They’re scared to break something I guess.
@@makara Another thing to note, those factory tachometers are horribly inaccurate and can be a couple hundred RPM off near redline. He was probably shifting at 4500ish RPM. The factory redline isn't until 5800 and the shift point should be around 5600.
Dude can’t drive or the TA isn’t running right.
My 95 Z28 LT1 always beat my 88 L98 C4.
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Great content totally enjoyed
The Comp T/A wins in every area, especially exhaust 🤔
Somethings up with that TA.. should’ve been faster than that L98.. my dad has a LT1 TA he bought new back in 93 and he beat an LT1 Vette .. was close but he still beat it.
Probably more the driver then anything. All being equal the lt1 vette is faster but it also has 35 more hp stock and it's a lighter car. Plus don't forget the independent suspension helps it launch better
My 99 z28 used to walk c5 s stock c4 would not stand a chance and f body are pretty light mine was 3490 with a quarter tank of fuel low 13 all day long at 106
Lt4 on the other hand and zr1 those are those are the good c4s
@@kimvaccaro2786 99 z28 is LS1 though. You had to have a 6 speed to run that quick in stock 99 z28. My buddy had a brand new 99 auto it would run 14 flat all day long at 102mph. I've seen stock c5 vettes run all over the place from low 14s to high 12s depending on if it was a auto or manual.
@@kimvaccaro2786 you were not walking C5s in a stock LS Z
Great video🎉
I love these older car races
I had a 88 Corvette back in the 90s,and it came from factory with aluminum heads,that year being lighter than the T/A the LT1 didn't have a chance.
My 97 ws6 ran a 14.0 bone stock. It ran a 13.4 with full exhaust.
You guys are awesome. Doing all the races we did but never had the cameras or videos..lol. I had a 90/6 speed Vette-we modded as much as we could and raced a bunch of what you guys raced. The TPI system was awesome on Torque but the heavy ass flywheel'd ZF6 speed was its enemy. The TPI would run out of top end. That's where the LT1 came in. Great stuff never the less.
Awesome until 4500 rpms
Love the channel
You need a driver mod on the trans am!!! Those keep up with C5 Corvettes!!! They don't lose to tuned port C4s!!!!
I had the 1984 c4 corvette t top 4 speed ,thing was fun to drive during my highschool years
I had a 94 formula firebird with a 285 horsepower lt1 which I ran high 13s with so damn I don’t know what the sea level rate is here in southwest Missouri but 2.5 plus seconds seems a bit off
There's a reason why, L98 CORVETTES were, undefeated, in showroom stock SCCA endurance racing back in the mid 80s.
Great video
Thank you!
I'm a current owner of a 93 v6 Firebird, got it with 30k OG MILES and it's at 64k right now. I'm going to get a trans am in about a few months after my car gets resprayed and I'm SO EXCITED! I love trans am's. they're my favorite car.
Trans Am's were always the better looking sister to the Camaro
@@deluxalpha4138 absolutely agreed.
@@Shibtember yeah its a shame Pontiac discontinued them in 02 and then a few years later GM discontinued Pontiac overall... real shame we never got another Firebird
@@deluxalpha4138 i agree, rip the firebird :( wonderful cars.
C4 and C5 Corvettes are such great performance bargains..
I feel like the Mazda didn’t get a fair shake. Can they not disable or partially disable the TC? Is there no sport mode?
I have a Mazda3 turbo, and if you brake boost it for more than lets say 5 secs, it will bog down, so the best technique is to rev it and hold it to 2500rpm and release the brake and it shoots off like a crazy cat
Bridgestone is some of the best tires you can get.. They are the biggest maker of tires for a reason.
I hope you fixed the oil leaks on the Firebird before racing these :(
Good job knocking 0.7 off the last time the TA was raced!
f body or no body baby!!
Lete tell ya that 2.8 muti port FI v6 they put in in i think it was a 1987 or 88 trans am was awesome that year model am was best geared car ive ever saw it had great take off and top end gearing was so good
Stock Trans-Am of that era should be around 14.00 flat in the quarter. I'd imagine the c4 should be... high 14s,
Which is BALLZZ quick for both these beautiful rigs (for that time)! I'd LOVE to own either of them!
Bingo
most likely the trans am is a bit down on power and needs a tune up!
Don’t worry, weight and maintenance are slowing me down as well🤪😜
My two favorites together again! Love these videos!
Rear end gearing makes a big difference… 3.73 gears really wake up the LT1 F-Bodies.
My 92 LT1 C4 was way faster than my 88 L98 C4. The L98 has no top end and falls on its face in 3rd gear.
They should compare a LT1 C4 vs L98 C4.
This is the kind of videos i like. Always have an old and a new. It makes perfect sense to race these two.
The firechicken needs a tune up. It's so much newer and more powerful, it should not have lost.
Please tell me where you can get a TA like that for 6,600 I can’t even seem to find a good formula in that price range
GM should bring back the Trans am today
THAT TRANS AM LOOKS LIKE SOME SORT OF ELECTRONIC
SCRUB BRUSH.
How does that Corvette compare to a 2019 F-150 SuperCrew with a 2.7 running premium with a car seat in the backseat at a mile above sea level?
Corvette easily wins. The F150 has more HP and slightly more torque but the massive difference in weight and aerodynamics will be the deciding factor. In some sense it's not fair to compare the two... they are very different vehicles designed for different things. If you want to tow or carry stuff around on the other hand, F150 is the clear winner. That's why I own a Corvette and an SUV. Need the right tool for the job
@@ObscureStuff420 just throwing out another vehicle I’d like to see tested. Yeah the truck weighs more and is less aerodynamic. Twin turbo at a mile above sea level makes it closer.
I don’t want to see them race my XJ8 against the Corvette. Baby EcoBoost crew cab yes.
Does the Mazda allow traction control to be turned off?
Try to get the 1996 Corvette with the 6 speed manual and LT4!
Great video guys! Well informed and very entertaining. As a Trans AM guy, I love seeing these in action! I feel like that TA could use a tuneup but well done overall!
Yeah there’s something wrong with that TA lol. I had a 95 Z28 LT1 and I never lost to a L98 C4…
The TA needs work or a better driver, or both…
@@speedracerjeff if I do remember correctly the TA was pretty tired, north of 100k miles? But still I expected a bit more. Also a 6 speed does require a certain amount of finesse to launch, if Tommy held it at about 3200k then dumped the clutch I think he would have got the jump, but regardless a good video!
Biggest problem with the LT1 is lack of maintenance. Cant say i blame them tho its a pain getting to the optispark. I just hope he does his research and does not toss out that mitsubishi sensor, just replace the rest of the cap and rotor.
And get rid of that dexcool junk.
@@dnegel9546 First thing I did when I got my LS1 T/A was replace the deathcool.
@@FWDSUXARSE can’t believe gm still sells that thing. Supposedly they changed the formula or something. But i aint trying to find out. Took me forever to get rid off the dexcool in my lt1. Peak + water wet kept my temps in check without even changing to a 160t stat. 🙂 I couldn’t believe water wet actually worked.
F body for the win! I have an 01 T/A and they will be timeless!
I have an LT1 in a camaro with a procharger ,big difference, try it
This makes me miss my 97 WS6
The TA -->needs a fuel injection cleaning maybe a compression loss and new differential fluid to check into and it should does destroy the L98 Corvette with ease especially with a manual.
What does the lever on the top of the steering column do on the corvette?
Older c4s had adjustable steering tilt and telescope. I think that's the telescoping adjustment.
Didn't mention the Torque for the TA.
14.01 in Texas Heat stock tires and a cold air tube. High 13.9s with a little cooler temps...
1995 Trans Am
Yeah texas is a lot different in elevation to where these guys are at. They are most likely north of 5000 DA.
Those cars were in the 13s new with drag slicks
Please race that l98 c4 corvette vs an lt1 c4 corvette. Thanks so much
My last C4 was a '96 LT4 6-Spd. It wasn't any slower than my C5 LS1. The none Grand Sports are almost unknown by the general public. They don't realize that ever '96 6-Spd has the LT4 Engine, not just the Grand Sport.
I just purchased a ‘96 LT4 two weeks ago, an amazing car. It was at a good price and I think these cars are under appreciated at the moment, but will only go up in value.
@@RomVlad Definately under appreciated. They are a an absolute steal for a legit 175 mph Sports Car (They have a higher top speed than the GS due to the lower drag). The chassis is a bit flexible, but my '96 LT4 Z51 was an absolute blast at Road Atlanta and Barber during school days. The later Z51s are not bad street cars at all. To be honest they feel more like a Z52 (with less pitch and roll) than the early almost Race Car Stiff Z51. Really hate that I sold it, but I was out of garage space and something had to go.
@@gk5891 Well, I just picked this car up, it has 76,000 miles on it, all original paint, accident free, very very nice condition,$13,000 . I just had my mechanic go over everything. It does need a new rear shocks, and it does have the F 45 suspension with the original shocks, so I’ll have to take care of that, but he was very impressed by the condition.
@@RomVlad That's one of the nice thing about Corvettes.. They are often weekend toys and can be very well kept with reasonable miles even after a couple of decades. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I did mine.
@@gk5891 Thank you. I’m thinking in the future maybe some coil overs, another set of wheels and tires, but not really doing anything to the motor. I hope to keep it as long as I possibly can.
Where can I find a trans am for under $10,000? Can I buy the silver one in the video?
You guys keep saying you find these under $10k so I'm curious where?? I've wanted one of these TA's for years and years and I've NEVER seen one under $10k with the exception of 6 cylinder cars or cars that are so roached it would cost more to bring them back than a good one would cost. I combed every online source I could find after watching your last Vette/Bird video and couldn't find anything even close. I'm just curious where you're finding them at that price?
Best of the 80’s Corvette poster and Farrah Fawcett posters on the wall.🎉 I can’t drive 55
Might want to shop c4 zr1 prices again lol no decent shape ones are under 35k now. I looked for a solid year before I bought mine, and prices kept rising. I spent about 7k more than I would have if I pulled the trigger last year. C4 zr1 is such an underrated car and the overlooked classic right now. When the c4 zr1 came out a 71 zr1 was 18k.. a 71 zr1 today is 350k and a 71 base car is 20k 😉
Is that an adjustment “knob” or “slider” on top of the corvette steering column?? And for what? Never seen that before.
Adjustable steering wheel
I had the 95 Z28, very similar. Great car for it's time
Would love to see Trans AM WS6
0:54 my 88 vette with a manual trans ran a 13.6 if you don’t get close to that, give up on racing all together.
C4 on top 😍🔥💯
Man, I love these videos on older cars! Quite frankly, I think that Comp T/A is running rough or something, OOOORRRRRR that Corvette has been modified. Even though the Vette weighs a little less, that T/A should be winning those races.
I have a 1997 Trans Am WS6 and I'm the original owner. Back in the day, my girlfriend had a 1996 Corvette which of course had the LT1 engine. Her car was an automatic and mine has a 6spd manual. At that time, my car was still new and bone stock except for a Flowmaster muffler. Her and I would race all of the time and our cars were pretty much even. The only time she would get a clear and definite win was if I had a bad launch. I can't honestly say my car ever walked her car, but again... the races were mostly even with her car sometimes pulling on mine by maybe a foot or two at the most.
With that said, there's no reason why a 275/300 horsepower LT1 Trans Am should be losing to a 245 horsepower L98 Vette, even though the Vette weighs ONLY 275 lbs less. Get some maintenance or something done to the T/A and maybe you'll see some better results.
Either way, fun videos and thanks for making this kind of great content that us automotive enthusiasts of older cars enjoy!
Why didn't you guys use the C4 that also had the LT1 engine in it?
Love to have that trans am…where do they find these cars for those prices?
I just sold a 96 Z28 for $2k last summer. The buyer was going to have to put the engine and tranny back in it but it was all there. I only bought the car because I was going to put that engine and tranny in a 65 C10 I had just to keep the build on that truck cheap and I was trying to sell parts and guy wanted it all. He actually had a v6 car and he wanted to do a swap which seems really stupid to me. Told him to just put the engine and tranny back in the car I sold him. Its probably yard art can't imagine he will ever do anything at all with it. It was a 6 speed car I really just wanted it for that 6 speed. I paid $1500 I think for it and I drove it home. It was a bank repo. Then I found a bunch of SnapOn and Matco tools in it including a battery 1/4 ratchet that was SnapOn and a set of SnapOn 1/2 inch impact sockets, a bunch of Matco screwdrivers and some wrenches the tools alone were probably worth what I paid for the car and it had a set of C6 rims on it and I kept the rims.
That short shift
What width tires? Later firebirds and camaros had 275mm wide. early corvettes had 245mm wide.
maybe had them gatorbacks tho...lmao!
I love these real world tests.