TIMESTAMPS: 02:13 -> Charm only rotation example 09:05 -> Charm only rotation breakdown 10:34 -> Charm + Devilsaur Eye rotation example 13:05 -> DPS Test Results 15:35 -> Final Thoughts
One thing that doesn't make sense to me, you have listed, A -> AS -> A -> MS -> Charm -> MS -> A -> AS -> A -> A -> MS -> A -> FD+swap -> AS as the rotation. Why not FD to aimed when both AS and MS come off cooldown simultaneously allowing you to tranisition into a standard roation normally, ie A -> AS -> A -> MS -> Charm -> MS -> A -> AS -> A -> A -> FD+swap -> AS -> A -> MS
What is it that displays the icons of the trinkets currently equipped over on the right hand side? I couldn't see this option in Item Rack and it would be useful to have view on screen of what trinkets are currently equipped. Thank you!
If you open your character screen and hover over the item slot you want to display, alt-click it and it will create a movable window like that in his video
Zera I'm having a lot of issues with trinket swapping, how do you get it where it will swap the trinket 100% of the time? I macro'd it exactly like you do and it doesn't work sometimes.
I personally have both devsaur eye and renataki on. i use my dev eye first with normal rotation then once the dev eye is finished i use the renataki and swap both trinks. so 20 secs into the fight i have my normal gear. please correct me if im wrong. i havent tested any where close to as much as zera. cheers
the downside to that is you have 20 sec of rapid and eye without the extracrit from BB So ideal scenario is still zg trinket first, swap in bb after use, rapid and eye after 6 or so sec, then fd swap eye for seal....yeah it gets awkward once duble swapping comes in, thats the downside if wanting to be 100% optimal.
What about the hakkar trinket? I got it last week (nobody wanted it) and I'm not sure how much value it brings. Kinda hard to compare what 40 flat damage does
Ashjrethul with quiver shoots every 2.89. Let's call it 2.9. ZG trinket first procc (40 damage) translates at this speed to 13.8 dps or 193 ap. Second tick (38 damage) translates to 13.1 dps or 183 ap. So it loses about 10 ap per shot. It will take 6 shots to become worse than eye of the beast. Because it will also apply to aimed and multi, those 6 shots can be achieved within the span of 4 white attacks, or 8.7 seconds. So it will take 8.7 seconds of shooting for Zg trinket to start being worse than eye of the beast. Since they both last 20 seconds, it means eye of the beast will be better than ZG trinket fot 11.3 seconds. So overall eye of the beast is better.
@@Xgourouneitor thanks for the info. By those infos it looks like it's never worth it to use the hakkar trinket. I was hoping to swap hakkar in after using the Eye, but even royal seal brings more AP over the course of 45-50sec (you have to wait 30sec before using a trinket after a FD swap)
This is a great help. Got Renatakis last week and was wrecking my brain trying to work out the optimal rotation, everything I was trying felt like a dps loss. Looking forward to AQ launching when we have longer fights, everything in BWL except Nef dies in under a minute so very hard to test in a raid setting
Personally thinking of going for Devilsaur Tooth and its use in TBC where BM is (as far as we know) top dps spec = can buff before combat, stays on pet indefinitely (as long as its out, from what I remember) and can swap it out before combat even starts. Basically assuring 100% the buff pets bring in raiding from the get-go with no downside.
Exactly. SHould be the same time each time. my guess is that you get more DPS from using FD just once in that span of time. So he adjusted the stats like any good person would to make it fit his narrative. Hes lying with statistics.
ofc coz most guild wont give jom to hunters, Badge yes but Jom is most likely going to Rogues first since they can time the last 10 secs of Jom with Adrenaline Rush and go crazy in dps.
you can use this trinket and then 10 sec later pop JG or earthstrike double swapping become smroe of a thing in AQ also the fac tyou mention fights being short..this is exactly where this trinket shines. All those fights you got maybe 4 aimed and 3 multis off...now you got 5 aimed and 4 multis Thats a big chunk of extra damage on a short fight.
a good horde tank can generate that amount of threat pretty fast if they dont get parries and they also have TF although the other option is if you triple crit off the bat, at that stage you can pop a LIP (cant get aggro with LIP up) and carry on till FD swap aggressive LIP opener is also a good way to parse higher if you dont mind spending the gold.
@@25-mohamedshukrilazammoham16 limited invulnerability potion. Boss can't target you until the effect end. But be carefull, at the end of the potion, if tank didnt make enough threat, you can pull aggro anyway
Hey Zera how you doing mate, i feel you on that second part about swapping a lot of trinkets and its making my brain hurt these days ... i have a question tho, does earthstrike share cd with devilsaur eye or not ? i heard in an old vanilla forum that you can pop both at the same time but im not sure
Awesome vid, Zera. This is some fanstastic content, really appreciate these detailed vids on min-maxing hunter rotation. Thank you and keep it up
TIMESTAMPS:
02:13 -> Charm only rotation example
09:05 -> Charm only rotation breakdown
10:34 -> Charm + Devilsaur Eye rotation example
13:05 -> DPS Test Results
15:35 -> Final Thoughts
This is awesome, I'm not even 60 on my Hunter yet but I am in awe and utterly inspired by these kinds of videos you've been making. Thanks a ton.
Probably one of the most helpful videos I've seen in a long time!
One thing that doesn't make sense to me, you have listed,
A -> AS -> A -> MS -> Charm -> MS -> A -> AS -> A -> A -> MS -> A -> FD+swap -> AS
as the rotation. Why not FD to aimed when both AS and MS come off cooldown simultaneously allowing you to tranisition into a standard roation normally, ie
A -> AS -> A -> MS -> Charm -> MS -> A -> AS -> A -> A -> FD+swap -> AS -> A -> MS
because of full weapon time + delay coming out of FD, casting AS after FD is the only way, maybe FD to MS also but less efficient
Thanks for the guide Zera! Currently 3/4 items for the charm of beasts trinket, hoping to pick it up soon.
hey man, thank for the video. I was not completely sure about the right sequence to use the charm, but this helps me a lot
Great video! What is the timer addon you use for tracking trinket + rapid fire duration?
can you make a vid about the hunter T 0.5 and if its any good whit BM spec? @Zera
What is it that displays the icons of the trinkets currently equipped over on the right hand side? I couldn't see this option in Item Rack and it would be useful to have view on screen of what trinkets are currently equipped. Thank you!
If you open your character screen and hover over the item slot you want to display, alt-click it and it will create a movable window like that in his video
Thanks for the video!
What stops you from putting the Aimed shot before and after the Cast sequence macro in that macro?
Does rapid fire decrease aimed shot cast time?
Yes it does :)
Yes
Does Improved aspect of the hawk (when procced) and quiver attack speed reduce aimed shot cast time as well?
@@AKYAR84 Seeing nobody answered yet, yes they do. IAoTH, Rapid Fire, Quiver all reduce aimed shot cast time.
Zera I'm having a lot of issues with trinket swapping, how do you get it where it will swap the trinket 100% of the time? I macro'd it exactly like you do and it doesn't work sometimes.
Feign Death can be resisted, and when it gets resisted, you don’t actually drop combat
That would be dope if you made a vid showing you getting all t1
I personally have both devsaur eye and renataki on. i use my dev eye first with normal rotation then once the dev eye is finished i use the renataki and swap both trinks. so 20 secs into the fight i have my normal gear. please correct me if im wrong. i havent tested any where close to as much as zera. cheers
I'm thinking this as well but will devilsaur be more beneficial with the extra 2% as zera shown?
the downside to that is you have 20 sec of rapid and eye without the extracrit from BB
So ideal scenario is still zg trinket first, swap in bb after use, rapid and eye after 6 or so sec, then fd swap eye for seal....yeah it gets awkward once duble swapping comes in, thats the downside if wanting to be 100% optimal.
How did you get the quest items? Did your guild pay for the mats or did you farm them yourself?
thanks Zera, u are the best
can put all macro wich you use here? pls?
What about the hakkar trinket? I got it last week (nobody wanted it) and I'm not sure how much value it brings. Kinda hard to compare what 40 flat damage does
Ashjrethul with quiver shoots every 2.89. Let's call it 2.9. ZG trinket first procc (40 damage) translates at this speed to 13.8 dps or 193 ap. Second tick (38 damage) translates to 13.1 dps or 183 ap. So it loses about 10 ap per shot. It will take 6 shots to become worse than eye of the beast. Because it will also apply to aimed and multi, those 6 shots can be achieved within the span of 4 white attacks, or 8.7 seconds. So it will take 8.7 seconds of shooting for Zg trinket to start being worse than eye of the beast. Since they both last 20 seconds, it means eye of the beast will be better than ZG trinket fot 11.3 seconds. So overall eye of the beast is better.
@@Xgourouneitor thanks for the info. By those infos it looks like it's never worth it to use the hakkar trinket. I was hoping to swap hakkar in after using the Eye, but even royal seal brings more AP over the course of 45-50sec (you have to wait 30sec before using a trinket after a FD swap)
This is a great help. Got Renatakis last week and was wrecking my brain trying to work out the optimal rotation, everything I was trying felt like a dps loss. Looking forward to AQ launching when we have longer fights, everything in BWL except Nef dies in under a minute so very hard to test in a raid setting
Personally thinking of going for Devilsaur Tooth and its use in TBC where BM is (as far as we know) top dps spec = can buff before combat, stays on pet indefinitely (as long as its out, from what I remember) and can swap it out before combat even starts. Basically assuring 100% the buff pets bring in raiding from the get-go with no downside.
I went tooth and I'm so happy I did. Bite Crit out of Prowl with a 2.0 atk speed pet is just too much fun and even better in TBC.
That's what i'm doing.
Shouldn't this be benchmarked off a controlled amount of time?
Exactly. SHould be the same time each time.
my guess is that you get more DPS from using FD just once in that span of time. So he adjusted the stats like any good person would to make it fit his narrative. Hes lying with statistics.
Blizzard have still not fixed the batching problem with FD and loosing combat, every time i try to use trinkets and item rack this is my undoing.
Is this really worth farming? Fights are very short at the moment and in p5 we have jom gabbar and earth's trike.
ofc coz most guild wont give jom to hunters, Badge yes but Jom is most likely going to Rogues first since they can time the last 10 secs of Jom with Adrenaline Rush and go crazy in dps.
you can use this trinket and then 10 sec later pop JG or earthstrike
double swapping become smroe of a thing in AQ
also the fac tyou mention fights being short..this is exactly where this trinket shines. All those fights you got maybe 4 aimed and 3 multis off...now you got 5 aimed and 4 multis
Thats a big chunk of extra damage on a short fight.
Yes its worth, the trinket is crazy good.
Isn't this too much burst at the start of the fight, are you gonna pull aggro?
I already do this with rank 14 gear and I dont pull aggro, Probably because im ally and we have Salv for threat.
a good horde tank can generate that amount of threat pretty fast if they dont get parries and they also have TF
although the other option is if you triple crit off the bat, at that stage you can pop a LIP (cant get aggro with LIP up) and carry on till FD swap
aggressive LIP opener is also a good way to parse higher if you dont mind spending the gold.
What is LIP?
@@25-mohamedshukrilazammoham16 limited invulnerability potion. Boss can't target you until the effect end. But be carefull, at the end of the potion, if tank didnt make enough threat, you can pull aggro anyway
Multishot will remove the delay after feign death.
No
great video
This will pull ALL the threat. Ragnaros is is going to be deleted tho...
Sadly my guild do not encourage hunters to melee weaving..
why is this?
Pretty late. A lot of people already got it.
Hey Zera how you doing mate, i feel you on that second part about swapping a lot of trinkets and its making my brain hurt these days ... i have a question tho, does earthstrike share cd with devilsaur eye or not ? i heard in an old vanilla forum that you can pop both at the same time but im not sure