BIS for weaving. If you’re not weaving, it’s roughly equivalent to having one decent raid stat stick (CHT/BB/Hakkar/Fang) and one blue stick (BSH/Assassin), even accounting for the new 25 agi enchant on 2handers.
@@SillacSaurfang barb is basically just +41 agility (modified by kings/zg buff) vs +56 AP and 2% crit for warblade/fang MH/OH (not even counting claw)... so... Barb with +25 agil enchant: +66 agility (+132 RAP + 1.32% crit) PRE kings/buffs Warblade + Fang with +15 on each: +56 ap + 30 agil + 2% crit = +116 RAP + 2.6% crit PRE kings/buffs you're looking at a base difference of: +16 RAP (barb) vs +1.16% crit (warblade/zg OH) Kings 10% and ZG buff another 15% brings it to +25% total or 82.5 agil barb vs 37.5 agil on the dual 1h's That math now equates to: barb: +165 RAP + 1.65% crit warblade + fang: 131 RAP + 2.75% crit After kings/ZG buff you're looking at a difference of +34 RAP for Barb advantage vs +1.1% crit for warblade/fang combination It's better than a blue stick OH, it's roughly equiv to the BIS Mh/OH post kings/zg world buffs. Having said that, without those it's clearly inferior. Really depends on if you want raw +34 RAP or +1.1% crit Post wipe, so without the buffs, you're looking at a clear warblade/fang advantage Crazy how terrible weapons scale for hunters as stat sticks :(
mongoose mcmongoose great breakdown. All things lead to dual wield unless you are melee weaving (which you should be currently if you have the crossbow)
whats about full rank 13 set with ossirans binding ring of godslayer and exaulted brood of nozdorumu meleeing weaving with the barb spear off fankriss?
DFT is a very useful trinket to help melee weaving hunters reach their hit cap. You swap it on after you use your burst damage trinkets in place of of your Royal Seal so you gain melee AND ranged AP instead of just ranged. edit: typos
yo @Zera, i got JG,Earth,ZG + normal trinkets. whats youre prefer for raiding. I mean should i keep JG+ZG( or earth) equipped and then do double trinket swap, or is it better just swap 1 trinket at time and keep blackhands constanly active?
hey man, first of all, thanks for your video! but i have some questions about the badge of the swarmguard.. alot of people say, that the armor reduction ist useless because normally bosses already have zero armor (5x thunder,fairy fire, curse of reck).. so what do you think about this trinket in general and especially for hunters?
When the debuff procs ive noticed it is very low on the debuff slots. I don't understand how knocking off a couple of the bottom debuffs is so detrimental that the guild doesn't allow t2 to be worn.
Because everyone follows the meta without looking at the evidence. Same reason people use Nightfall when it's actually really bad and a overall dps loss to the raid usually.
Well it does knock off things like Ignite AFAIK (haven't tested it personally, going off other people saying so in Classic Hunter Discord). If it knocks off a big Ignite that's actually pretty detrimental
@@Mammel248 I'll start really paying more attention to the debuffs on the boss. Since only 1 hunter atm has access to full t2 its a little difficult to test the situation of multiple procs taking over other slots. I'll just have to wait and see.
The only debuff that it can knock off that would be bad is Winter's Chill, so very low chance of knocking a single debuff as long as you have 1-2 flex slots
Hey I have a question I am not able to run ZG as often as I would like to so I was never able to get the war blade or the fang of the fang of the faceless. I’m still running the Barb blade. I was wondering what would be the best two hander going into AQ. I thought it would be askandi from nef but it hasn’t dropped yet for us. My officer says that the barb blade is still better, just don’t see how it is. Any insight to what I can do?
Hey Zera great content, was wondering if a sniper scope over 3% hit option could be viable for a full t2 hunter. Currently I am at 10% hit and if I sub Zulian Tigerhide Cloak and Band Of Accuria in for Cloak of Shrouded Mist and either Julio/Dragon Slayer ring I can hit 9% and add +7 damage to my bow. Would this make up for the loss of attack/some agil or do you just always go with Bizniks?
About the DFT: wouldn't you place it as absolute BiS for weaving hunters though. Cause the 48RAP becomes 56 ap and we also get the +2 hit on the trinket slot that coutns towards mellee hits as oposed to the +3 enchant on bow which does not count toward melee.
Access to P4 weapons greatly trivializes melee weaving. The Ashkandi really isn’t adding so much to your top end that it’s worthwhile to work that much harder in raid. You can sit back and do your usual hunter thing and probably do just as much if not more DPs
7:38 Thank you Zera for telling the truth about DFT. As a hunter you can sim it up and down, it will always be lower than other combos, you will end up with wasted hitpoints AND what's even worse, you hinder your melee mates as they profit more from it.
Zera, if we need to break up the T2 set to prevent the proc, you suggest replacing shoulders with Giantstalker, which has 1 more AGI and 1 less STA and 8 less Int. What about replacing the belt with Ossirians instead, give us the same AGI, 4 more STA, 3 Less int... but we GAIN 1% hit, allowing the use of Ring of the Godslayer over Signet Ring of the Bronze Dragonflight... giving us more AGI/STA
Bay Area Angler 510 what I was doing in Phase 4 was wearing T1 shoulders. That offered 1 more agility than T2 did. But yes. Ossiran’s Binding so you can wear things like Barrage Shoulders, Godslayer, etc. that’s the ideal position you wanna be in.
aq 40 is a great instanz for hunters cause you dont need any t 2,5 or other gear in that slot cause you always wear your full t2 8/8 for that debuff with your other 2 hunters, and you can softlock or use your dkp for gabbar, the two rings and the eye of cthun for the back. I have a question about talents: Should one hunter have 5/5 improved mark to buff all other hunters? Or is 5/5 pet with 2/5 mark always better ?
Bavarian Wolf whoa. Idk who told you that snippy. 😂 you definitely want some 2.5. Mainly for Hybrid BiS. Expose Weakness is a garbage debuff. It does almost nothing for us and even less for the raid as a whole. Better off going after Hybrid BiS so that you do more damage than if you have 100% uptime with EW. Trust me on that. Don’t just stick with T2 the entirety of Phase 5. That’s a horrible idea. As for Improved HM, no. Because you shouldn’t be running HM at all to begin with. No serious raid would allow that.
@@SaltyZera i saw a spreadshet, when 3 or 4 hunters have full t2 8/8 that debuff uptime is so high, that is better for all hunters, then everybody wears hybrid items or t1 or something.
@@SaltyZera ok thats a point, i dont have so much details like you so i will trust you. But what about mark? 5/5 is a 9 % AP bonus to all hunters, why this is not good to make one hunter skill that, so the other hunters do more dmg and that hunter is like a "support" hunter with less pet dmg
Your going to get Eye of Cthun after around 15 people. Its Bis for casters/healers. Hell that ring will see use into Kara at 70. Its a bigger increase for casters than it is for us, healers depends on how easy mode AQ is. They might just go last prio because healing won't be an issue. The power of the Badge of the Swarm-guard will depend on your guild. It might end up being irrelevant. Ring of the GS/QF are about a 1-2 dps difference between them. With the ZG buff every Sim i've seen shows GS above QF. Without than QF. Kinda like DFT I'd pass on QF and get GS. No competition. Kinda an easy choice. Now if none want QF i'd pick it up. We ran 2 hunters for most of BWL and I planned on breaking 8 set T2 with PvP gear and later with AQ. Now we secured a 3rd hunter. I'm making all 3 run DS 8 piece. Besides the 8 piece being shit solo, its not bad when you have around 3-4 hunters and 5 piece is probably the strongest set bonus pre T3 where raid damage is a concern. Also Pretty sure Sixx has it set up with zero expose weakness procs if your only simming yourself. You need to check the box and add hunters to add more than 1 hunter to see the value of expose weakness.
@@jeskoschulte299 I've actually changed my thoughts on that. With fire Mages doing such insane damage its not worth the potential knockoff of their debuffs. I'd say its okay to have 1-2 hunters with 8/8 as the chance is highly unlikely anything would be knocked off. But once you have 4 hunters...1 tick of ignite is like 8 procs of T2. Losing that means a longer fight which means lower dps.
@@jeskoschulte299 Yeah they don't stack and take multiple debuff slots. Which is amazing...but that debuff limit is a real punch in the feels. If your guild is more casual than go for it. But if your guild is strict on the debuff policy, have to to whats best for the guild.
Hey Zera, Love the videos. I have one request. Could you make a dps guide. I seen you parse in 99% and Im just curious what you're doing to obtain that kind of dps.
I can try, but you got to remember that there's a lot more to Parses than just sheer rotation, but I can do a video covering this. Thanks for the idea!
Zera Thanks for replying! Yeah there’s got to be more to it then just the rotation that’s what I’m curious about! What are you up to in those raids lol. Thanks brother
Do Spirit of Zandalar and Kings stack? Asking as horde Is cat straight up best? Running with a wolf for melee support (more raid dmg overall vs individual dmg?), and I've seen cases made for Windserpents
Yes they tack.And yes cat is better because the (theoretically) "good" buff the wulf should bring is rarely up and only seldomly melee profit from it - positioning th large hit boxes and range of the buff is really tiny.
Hey zera love the videos. I got a specific question for you. My raid has 3 hunters who are all 7/8 for t2 (well all need the t2 shoulders) . I am the only 8/8 t1 hunter in guild. I just got my 1st zg idol, do I enchant my t2 or t1 helm/legs? I'm confused!
Congrats on the munchkin!! My first is 10 months! Keep up all the good work! My best tip: sleep when baby sleeps, nothing else matters, just sleep if baby is sleeping lol ....
100% this ^ Also they'll tell you to wake your kid up every 3 hours to feed them, don't. I promise if they're hungry they'll wake you up and let you know, get that sleep in it's better for the family altogether.
Congratulations on the munchkin. I'm curious how the Lil one will change your perspective on gaming. Also what are your thoughts on the Earthstrike trinket from Cenarion exalted?
Thanks for the vid! Im currently playing around with equip in Phase 5 and realize that it is very hard to boost ap and crit. Actually with the BIS gear I have just around 50 AP more and loose 1% crit. Any recommendations to gain crit + AP?
Larvae of the Great Worm has higher base damage than Ashjre'Thul, even though its speed is faster. Which one is better? Worm should in theory do more damage, right?
Basement not really. First it is faster. So clipping would become an issue. Also. While it’s max damage is higher. It’s minimum damage is lower by a a big margin. So it’s safer to stick with Ashjre’thul
Wrong, the speed is they key. Base damage is a minor part in the equation. The speed of the weapon is the multiplier for your autoshots (biggest part of your damge) - which is the key bonus of the BWL weapon. 2 advantages: nr1. less or almost non clipping of autoshots, nr.2 higher autoshotdamage. Multi and Aimed are normalized in the patch status we play on with in classic - they are calculated with a base speed of 2.8. So they wont be higher than with rhok. Same goes to the other weapons. AQ gun is like 20 dps lower than the crossbow.
nickthebold debuff slots that it takes up are more valuable than Expose Weakness. EW is only 10 DPS per Hunter. A Warlocks Corruption is 100 DPS on its own. Makes no sense to use 8/8 T2.
I am just hoping for some good PVP gear, I'm rank 11 now and going for 13 the full set it has great stats for PVP and its decent for PVE as well i already have BWL crossbow and askandi and i only got ashkandi because is PVP prio my guild don't give it to raid logging hunter because is kinda a waste they will never use it and if they do is extremly minor whats your thoughts on giving BIS PVP gear to people that only log on for 3-4 hours a week to clear raids?
No it isn't. It is like a 2 dps difference though .... If some warriors in your guild don't have quick strike ring yet, i would give it to them instead of a hunter. Both ZG Rings are BIS until you replace them with cenarion rep ring + ring of the god slayer.
i think once we see how fast some of the bosses can be killed....zg class trinket might replace one of those for BIS again. The shorter the fight the mroe it shines, squeezing that extra AS and multi in.
So in conclusion, out of all 6 of those sets, which one do you/y'all think will be the best set for p5? I was leaning towards T1 +7 Damage set but im not entirely sure.
@@KaceKelcCrys "i'm pretty sure" :D We know the debuff cap of 16 slots, right. There is also a buff cap - 32 - right? Ask your warriors, they will know and have nightmares about it ;) To keep this limitation blizzard established a buff limit for auras. Because it would 2 separate buffs if you had ap aura and rap aura (out of one source). So it was chosen that all the ap auras in the game only affect melee ap. The ONLY odd exception in the whole game is .... surpise ... tadah: "Trueshot Aura" (affects both melee&ranged ap). One might think that the devs back then (especially that one warrior-fixated - i think some of you might know who) finally found that there are moral limitations to screw hunter design in any possible way and in a rare moment of generosity he granted hun ... ahem , the warriors a buff bot. So Hunters could still feel relevant to some extent (ca. 50 dps upgrades from preRaidBIS to T2.5 is HUGHE) :D
Because it creates a short debuff (which is nice for hunters but no one else) that kicks more relevant debuffs from the boss - which can be a dps loss for th whole raid. Also because that debuff (called "expose weakness") has a high "mechanical" priority, while some really good other debuffs (winters chill, annihilator, etc) have a mechanical lower priority. Addionally: Each 8/8T2 hunter would create a single debuff on its own - so more other important debuffs would be kicked.
hey Zera good video as always ! i would like to know if that trinket 'Earthstrike' from the cenarion rep is worth the grind ? since both of the bis trinkets in p5 are going to be contested between melee classes
Congrats on the baby! Now to the gear... if you have warblade pass on claw until everyone has either warblade or claw. We’re talking literally 2 attack power. They’re essentially the same
Zera, first off congrats to you and your wife! I’ve been a fan of your videos for a while concerning hunter bis in classic. However, I have to disagree with you on the DFT situation, and let me explain why. Starting with two on use trinkets (even with swarmguard not sharing a CD with other on use trinkets) is a dps loss and compared to DFT in your trinket slot and trinket swapping jom and earthstrike throughout the fight. I was surprised you didnt run that sim. And it comes out as even more of a dps loss when the boss has full sunders/ff/etc on it and badge becomes less effective. By no means is the list you provided a bad list, I would just disagree that they are “bis”. I’d love to have a conversation with you about this if you have the time! -Browny, Formerly of Kurinnaxx
In sims I did have 2 on use compared to DFT at the start was a DPS loss. Started with renatakis and Jom > switch renatakis into blackhands breadth > BHB JOM rest of fight. u seem to forget on use trinkets have a 30 second CD from equipping it.
Ring of the godslayer is better than Ring og qiraji fury if you have kings OR ZG buff. even without buffs its incredible close. it has 0.2 less dps without buffs, but offers alot more stamina. with full world buffs on alliance it will give you 3.5 more dps.
san ji you’ve nailed it bro. Spot on. I just like the idea of having Qiraji too for those times you’re outside raid content. But yes. god slayer + Exalted signet ring are the ones you want.
The way you speak about your guild and the "restrictions" you should be having fairer fire/sunderarmor(or rogue imp expose armor)/annilator debuff, etc that all drop boss armor, if thats the case than there would be absolutely no reason to use badge of the swarmguard on a boss fight as the effective armor of a boss would already be at 0. So if that is the case than DFT would be massively more useful.
Badge of the swarm guard is negligible as there isn't really enough armour left on the bosses after sunders etc to utilize it to it's full potential. You are better off with Earthstrike. Also utilizing Drakefang + a Hit ring you could drop 3% hit and go with +7 scope and also be able to be hit capped for melee weaving using Barb of the sandreaver which does massive raptor strikes also +25 agi I believe is available in this patch so dual wields bonus from enchants is now down to 5agi more. Raptor strike weaving gives easily 40-70dps over traditional ranged dps for me personally, depending on the fight and on improved AoH procs. Not to mention if you utilize another hit ring or Band of Accuria you are able to use full DS set which is now potentially viable as most hunters should be starting to get 8/8 for more uptime.
Massive congratulations man, wish you all the best with little Eleanor. Also, great vid.
Congratulations on the baby Zera! We all hope that you and your family are good in health.
Calm down
Cheers John il remember that for next time
i had my first baby this year to mate! congratz and keep up the awesome videos.
I wonder If the First Set would be better with double Hit dagger and 1% hit on Rings and +7 scope on the weapon
This video needs to be every where for hunters in classic wow
What do you think about barb of the sand reaver in a raid environment? Godslayer ring and bronze dragonflight to push agility. Zandalar, kings...
Gratz on the growing fam dude!
What about barb of the sand reaver.????
BIS for weaving. If you’re not weaving, it’s roughly equivalent to having one decent raid stat stick (CHT/BB/Hakkar/Fang) and one blue stick (BSH/Assassin), even accounting for the new 25 agi enchant on 2handers.
@@SillacSaurfang barb is basically just +41 agility (modified by kings/zg buff) vs +56 AP and 2% crit for warblade/fang MH/OH (not even counting claw)... so...
Barb with +25 agil enchant: +66 agility (+132 RAP + 1.32% crit) PRE kings/buffs
Warblade + Fang with +15 on each: +56 ap + 30 agil + 2% crit = +116 RAP + 2.6% crit PRE kings/buffs
you're looking at a base difference of: +16 RAP (barb) vs +1.16% crit (warblade/zg OH)
Kings 10% and ZG buff another 15% brings it to +25% total or 82.5 agil barb vs 37.5 agil on the dual 1h's
That math now equates to:
barb: +165 RAP + 1.65% crit
warblade + fang: 131 RAP + 2.75% crit
After kings/ZG buff you're looking at a difference of +34 RAP for Barb advantage vs +1.1% crit for warblade/fang combination
It's better than a blue stick OH, it's roughly equiv to the BIS Mh/OH post kings/zg world buffs.
Having said that, without those it's clearly inferior.
Really depends on if you want raw +34 RAP or +1.1% crit
Post wipe, so without the buffs, you're looking at a clear warblade/fang advantage
Crazy how terrible weapons scale for hunters as stat sticks :(
mongoose mcmongoose great breakdown. All things lead to dual wield unless you are melee weaving (which you should be currently if you have the crossbow)
@@SillacSaurfang what if you already have Ashkandi for melee weaving?
Congrats on your baby!!!! We just had our first baby girl too on Monday the 18th!!! It's such an awesome experience!
What are your opinions on scaled sand reaver leggings?
yea i got t2 but just wish my raid wouldnt be so mad about a 7 second debuff slot getting tookin up, so gotta figure out a new set to rock with now
Congrats for the little one!
whats about full rank 13 set with ossirans binding ring of godslayer and exaulted brood of nozdorumu meleeing weaving with the barb spear off fankriss?
DFT is a very useful trinket to help melee weaving hunters reach their hit cap. You swap it on after you use your burst damage trinkets in place of of your Royal Seal so you gain melee AND ranged AP instead of just ranged.
edit: typos
Wtf are you on about? How is melee weaving a myth? It's an easy 50 DPS increase to your rotation. We must be getting trolled.
yo @Zera, i got JG,Earth,ZG + normal trinkets. whats youre prefer for raiding. I mean should i keep JG+ZG( or earth) equipped and then do double trinket swap, or is it better just swap 1 trinket at time and keep blackhands constanly active?
what is the hunter timer that allows you to get most out of your aimed and multi and auto shot hellpppp what addonnnn
Congrats man!!!
hey man, first of all, thanks for your video! but i have some questions about the badge of the swarmguard.. alot of people say, that the armor reduction ist useless because normally bosses already have zero armor (5x thunder,fairy fire, curse of reck).. so what do you think about this trinket in general and especially for hunters?
Congratulations!
is cloak from cthun eye still going to be bis in p6?
I'm interested by your use of Badge of Swarmguard. I have it but my guild aren't happy with me using it. They want me to use devilsaurs eye insted.
@Zera
can you create a video in handling the Auto Shot Timer well, when to shoot Aimed Shot and Multi Shot. while using the autoshot timer.
What about the ZG trinket??
Charm of the Beast is incredible; however, the Medallion is pretty garbage. It's less effective than Devilsaur Eye.
Follow-up: Why do some guilds say no T2? Isn’t it low enough that it can instantly be knocked off if other debuffs are more important?
When the debuff procs ive noticed it is very low on the debuff slots. I don't understand how knocking off a couple of the bottom debuffs is so detrimental that the guild doesn't allow t2 to be worn.
Because everyone follows the meta without looking at the evidence. Same reason people use Nightfall when it's actually really bad and a overall dps loss to the raid usually.
Well it does knock off things like Ignite AFAIK (haven't tested it personally, going off other people saying so in Classic Hunter Discord). If it knocks off a big Ignite that's actually pretty detrimental
@@Mammel248 I'll start really paying more attention to the debuffs on the boss. Since only 1 hunter atm has access to full t2 its a little difficult to test the situation of multiple procs taking over other slots. I'll just have to wait and see.
The only debuff that it can knock off that would be bad is Winter's Chill, so very low chance of knocking a single debuff as long as you have 1-2 flex slots
Hey I have a question I am not able to run ZG as often as I would like to so I was never able to get the war blade or the fang of the fang of the faceless. I’m still running the Barb blade. I was wondering what would be the best two hander going into AQ. I thought it would be askandi from nef but it hasn’t dropped yet for us. My officer says that the barb blade is still better, just don’t see how it is. Any insight to what I can do?
Great video my dude and big Gz on the new little one, stay safe. :)
Regarding trinkets. You can also fd and replace BoS with jom in case u have dft.
Hello! what about use Royal seal and compare it with DFT? to max the Attackpower! for p4-p5 ?
whats the very first quest to get signet of the brozne dragonflight?
Hey Zera great content, was wondering if a sniper scope over 3% hit option could be viable for a full t2 hunter. Currently I am at 10% hit and if I sub Zulian Tigerhide Cloak and Band Of Accuria in for Cloak of Shrouded Mist and either Julio/Dragon Slayer ring I can hit 9% and add +7 damage to my bow. Would this make up for the loss of attack/some agil or do you just always go with Bizniks?
Congrats man. Wishing good healthy to your family
About the DFT: wouldn't you place it as absolute BiS for weaving hunters though. Cause the 48RAP becomes 56 ap and we also get the +2 hit on the trinket slot that coutns towards mellee hits as oposed to the +3 enchant on bow which does not count toward melee.
Access to P4 weapons greatly trivializes melee weaving. The Ashkandi really isn’t adding so much to your top end that it’s worthwhile to work that much harder in raid. You can sit back and do your usual hunter thing and probably do just as much if not more DPs
So renataki's will be replaced in the opener?
Yooo Zera, is there an updated version of the Watchyoursixx spreadsheet that takes into account all the AQ40 and AQ20 gear?
ANDREW MARTTINI he’s sheer already does. Simply click the drop down menu for phase your in and adjust that to phase five.
7:38 Thank you Zera for telling the truth about DFT. As a hunter you can sim it up and down, it will always be lower than other combos, you will end up with wasted hitpoints AND what's even worse, you hinder your melee mates as they profit more from it.
that's what I'm here for mate! :D
What about the high agility pole-arm from AQ?
Zera, if we need to break up the T2 set to prevent the proc, you suggest replacing shoulders with Giantstalker, which has 1 more AGI and 1 less STA and 8 less Int. What about replacing the belt with Ossirians instead, give us the same AGI, 4 more STA, 3 Less int... but we GAIN 1% hit, allowing the use of Ring of the Godslayer over Signet Ring of the Bronze Dragonflight... giving us more AGI/STA
Bay Area Angler 510 what I was doing in Phase 4 was wearing T1 shoulders. That offered 1 more agility than T2 did. But yes. Ossiran’s Binding so you can wear things like Barrage Shoulders, Godslayer, etc. that’s the ideal position you wanna be in.
aq 40 is a great instanz for hunters cause you dont need any t 2,5 or other gear in that slot cause you always wear your full t2 8/8 for that debuff with your other 2 hunters, and you can softlock or use your dkp for gabbar, the two rings and the eye of cthun for the back.
I have a question about talents: Should one hunter have 5/5 improved mark to buff all other hunters? Or is 5/5 pet with 2/5 mark always better ?
Bavarian Wolf whoa. Idk who told you that snippy. 😂 you definitely want some 2.5. Mainly for Hybrid BiS. Expose Weakness is a garbage debuff. It does almost nothing for us and even less for the raid as a whole. Better off going after Hybrid BiS so that you do more damage than if you have 100% uptime with EW. Trust me on that. Don’t just stick with T2 the entirety of Phase 5. That’s a horrible idea. As for Improved HM, no. Because you shouldn’t be running HM at all to begin with. No serious raid would allow that.
@@SaltyZera i saw a spreadshet, when 3 or 4 hunters have full t2 8/8 that debuff uptime is so high, that is better for all hunters, then everybody wears hybrid items or t1 or something.
Bavarian Wolf not true. Because at that point EW is taking up multiple debuff slots. Not worth the loss to your raid as a whole.
@@SaltyZera ok thats a point, i dont have so much details like you so i will trust you. But what about mark? 5/5 is a 9 % AP bonus to all hunters, why this is not good to make one hunter skill that, so the other hunters do more dmg and that hunter is like a "support" hunter with less pet dmg
Does Ashkandi not fit into this anywhere?
got badge of the swarmguard tonight, not once did a FD let me get out of combat for a change
mcgaz yea it’s a bit more hairy in AQ40 with FD swapping.
make sure u pet passive in the fd macro
Your going to get Eye of Cthun after around 15 people. Its Bis for casters/healers. Hell that ring will see use into Kara at 70. Its a bigger increase for casters than it is for us, healers depends on how easy mode AQ is. They might just go last prio because healing won't be an issue.
The power of the Badge of the Swarm-guard will depend on your guild. It might end up being irrelevant.
Ring of the GS/QF are about a 1-2 dps difference between them. With the ZG buff every Sim i've seen shows GS above QF. Without than QF. Kinda like DFT I'd pass on QF and get GS. No competition. Kinda an easy choice. Now if none want QF i'd pick it up.
We ran 2 hunters for most of BWL and I planned on breaking 8 set T2 with PvP gear and later with AQ. Now we secured a 3rd hunter. I'm making all 3 run DS 8 piece. Besides the 8 piece being shit solo, its not bad when you have around 3-4 hunters and 5 piece is probably the strongest set bonus pre T3 where raid damage is a concern.
Also Pretty sure Sixx has it set up with zero expose weakness procs if your only simming yourself. You need to check the box and add hunters to add more than 1 hunter to see the value of expose weakness.
same running 4 hunters with full t2 the uptime is really not bad and might even battle with t3 damage output
450 ap is no joke
@@jeskoschulte299 I've actually changed my thoughts on that. With fire Mages doing such insane damage its not worth the potential knockoff of their debuffs. I'd say its okay to have 1-2 hunters with 8/8 as the chance is highly unlikely anything would be knocked off. But once you have 4 hunters...1 tick of ignite is like 8 procs of T2. Losing that means a longer fight which means lower dps.
@@bandit7459 is it possible for 2 debuffs to occure?
@@jeskoschulte299 Yeah they don't stack and take multiple debuff slots. Which is amazing...but that debuff limit is a real punch in the feels. If your guild is more casual than go for it. But if your guild is strict on the debuff policy, have to to whats best for the guild.
COngrats man!
grats on the baby, you will be a great dad!!
Where can I get updated Excel spreadsheet since the one I have only has phase 4 gear in it? Thank you!
Hey Zera, Love the videos. I have one request. Could you make a dps guide. I seen you parse in 99% and Im just curious what you're doing to obtain that kind of dps.
I can try, but you got to remember that there's a lot more to Parses than just sheer rotation, but I can do a video covering this. Thanks for the idea!
Zera
Thanks for replying! Yeah there’s got to be more to it then just the rotation that’s what I’m curious about! What are you up to in those raids lol. Thanks brother
Do Spirit of Zandalar and Kings stack? Asking as horde
Is cat straight up best? Running with a wolf for melee support (more raid dmg overall vs individual dmg?), and I've seen cases made for Windserpents
Yes they tack.And yes cat is better because the (theoretically) "good" buff the wulf should bring is rarely up and only seldomly melee profit from it - positioning th large hit boxes and range of the buff is really tiny.
I need a fresh 60 for phase 4 guide
Hey zera love the videos. I got a specific question for you. My raid has 3 hunters who are all 7/8 for t2 (well all need the t2 shoulders) . I am the only 8/8 t1 hunter in guild. I just got my 1st zg idol, do I enchant my t2 or t1 helm/legs? I'm confused!
I would say go for more idols. When. You get a second one then enchant the tier 1. Just my opinion
Congrats on the baby! Keep up the great videos!!!
Nice vid and gz. Subbed
Don't both of us have access to spirit of zandalar? Do you mean warchiefs blessing ?
what about Earthstriker from exhalted for trinkets? does that fit into here anywhere or does it share CD's ?
exhalted Cenarion Circle *
Why does your guild not allow you to wear 8/8 T2?
21:18 NVM!
Congrats on the munchkin!! My first is 10 months! Keep up all the good work! My best tip: sleep when baby sleeps, nothing else matters, just sleep if baby is sleeping lol ....
100% this ^
Also they'll tell you to wake your kid up every 3 hours to feed them, don't. I promise if they're hungry they'll wake you up and let you know, get that sleep in it's better for the family altogether.
Eye of C'thun drops so much good stuff for so many classes. It absolutely will be a problem getting that cloak.
Cloak is caster BiS, nobody should want to take that from a Caster
Can I get a copy of that sim please?
Great video m8 great research. Keep it up Dad.
AP ench on shoulders is only melee ap, or have I missed something?
It’s both ranged and melee AP
Your spreadsheet is outdated, the latest version is 0.9.4 you should update it man
Congratulations on the munchkin. I'm curious how the Lil one will change your perspective on gaming. Also what are your thoughts on the Earthstrike trinket from Cenarion exalted?
It's a free trinket that has 280 AP on use why wouldnt you grab it
@@johnburn872 due to the large rep grind... you need exalted. I'm curious how it weaves into the trinket sequence as well.
You cannot use both trinkets together.
Badge doesn't share a CD with other on use trinkets.
@@bandit7459 For real? Then that's good news!
Thanks for the vid! Im currently playing around with equip in Phase 5 and realize that it is very hard to boost ap and crit. Actually with the BIS gear I have just around 50 AP more and loose 1% crit. Any recommendations to gain crit + AP?
Larvae of the Great Worm has higher base damage than Ashjre'Thul, even though its speed is faster. Which one is better? Worm should in theory do more damage, right?
Basement not really. First it is faster. So clipping would become an issue. Also. While it’s max damage is higher. It’s minimum damage is lower by a a big margin. So it’s safer to stick with Ashjre’thul
Wrong, the speed is they key. Base damage is a minor part in the equation. The speed of the weapon is the multiplier for your autoshots (biggest part of your damge) - which is the key bonus of the BWL weapon. 2 advantages: nr1. less or almost non clipping of autoshots, nr.2 higher autoshotdamage. Multi and Aimed are normalized in the patch status we play on with in classic - they are calculated with a base speed of 2.8. So they wont be higher than with rhok. Same goes to the other weapons. AQ gun is like 20 dps lower than the crossbow.
so, lets say you have 2 other hunters in raid with 8/8 t2, t2.5 is bis?
Denrosanabben the Hybrid PvE set combining T2.5 with 3 piece T2 and other non tier PvE pieces is BiS.
Why does your guild not allow hunters to wear full T2?
nickthebold debuff slots that it takes up are more valuable than Expose Weakness. EW is only 10 DPS per Hunter. A Warlocks Corruption is 100 DPS on its own. Makes no sense to use 8/8 T2.
I am just hoping for some good PVP gear, I'm rank 11 now and going for 13 the full set it has great stats for PVP and its decent for PVE as well i already have BWL crossbow and askandi and i only got ashkandi because is PVP prio my guild don't give it to raid logging hunter because is kinda a waste they will never use it and if they do is extremly minor whats your thoughts on giving BIS PVP gear to people that only log on for 3-4 hours a week to clear raids?
use full stops and take a breath.
any thoughts necessary for melee weaving besides just swapping weapons?
Yeah I wish he at least touched on the 2H weapon that we get from AQ, Barb of the Sand Reaver for melee weaving.
We need a pvp bis list for phase 5!!!!!
Ricky Ricky next video. For sure!
@@SaltyZera more vids plz
Is Qiraji Fury really better than godslayer?
No it isn't. It is like a 2 dps difference though .... If some warriors in your guild don't have quick strike ring yet, i would give it to them instead of a hunter. Both ZG Rings are BIS until you replace them with cenarion rep ring + ring of the god slayer.
i think once we see how fast some of the bosses can be killed....zg class trinket might replace one of those for BIS again. The shorter the fight the mroe it shines, squeezing that extra AS and multi in.
Your guild tells you how you have to play? I would hate that lol
Congratulations to you and your wife! Thank you as always for the great content.
Do you know a priest version of a channel like yours?
So in conclusion, out of all 6 of those sets, which one do you/y'all think will be the best set for p5? I was leaning towards T1 +7 Damage set but im not entirely sure.
Im thinking the same.
To get the back piece will take forever because your guild should prio the quest item from c'thun to casters
Gz on the little munchkin!
I was looking for this on Sunday. Thx for reading my empty sawmillfactory.
Why go for DM trib. buff as a Hunter?
Dont everyone know, that the buff don’t give ranged AP, and not much damage in +15% stamina.
There are people that weave so +200AP is of great benefit-even if you don't the extra health is always welcome for progression content
I’m pretty sure wow fixed it and it effects RAP also!
@@KaceKelcCrys Trust me it doesn't.
@@KaceKelcCrys "i'm pretty sure" :D We know the debuff cap of 16 slots, right. There is also a buff cap - 32 - right? Ask your warriors, they will know and have nightmares about it ;) To keep this limitation blizzard established a buff limit for auras. Because it would 2 separate buffs if you had ap aura and rap aura (out of one source). So it was chosen that all the ap auras in the game only affect melee ap. The ONLY odd exception in the whole game is .... surpise ... tadah: "Trueshot Aura" (affects both melee&ranged ap). One might think that the devs back then (especially that one warrior-fixated - i think some of you might know who) finally found that there are moral limitations to screw hunter design in any possible way and in a rare moment of generosity he granted hun ... ahem , the warriors a buff bot. So Hunters could still feel relevant to some extent (ca. 50 dps upgrades from preRaidBIS to T2.5 is HUGHE) :D
Congrats Zera
Wait, you are not allowed to wear 8/8 T2? Why? Debuff slot?
congratulation to both you and your wife!
Why aren’t you guys allowed to wear 8/8 t2?
Because it creates a short debuff (which is nice for hunters but no one else) that kicks more relevant debuffs from the boss - which can be a dps loss for th whole raid. Also because that debuff (called "expose weakness") has a high "mechanical" priority, while some really good other debuffs (winters chill, annihilator, etc) have a mechanical lower priority. Addionally: Each 8/8T2 hunter would create a single debuff on its own - so more other important debuffs would be kicked.
hey Zera good video as always ! i would like to know if that trinket 'Earthstrike' from the cenarion rep is worth the grind ? since both of the bis trinkets in p5 are going to be contested between melee classes
280 AP on use trinket, yes get that trinket
Grats dude and welcome baby zera!
Whats your thoughts in Fankriss spear for melee weaving ?
Again zera with new video,nicee
Big gratz on the new addition to you guild Zera
Congrats on the baby! Now to the gear... if you have warblade pass on claw until everyone has either warblade or claw. We’re talking literally 2 attack power. They’re essentially the same
I agree. The difference in 2 AP is tiny. If you have both ZG weapons, and someone doesn't, just hold off :).
Musta read my mind. I was looking for this exact subject yesterday. Couldn't really find anything. Thx.
Congratulations sir!
Congrats on the baby dude. Just had my first child 11 months ago. Also Eleanor. Good luck.
I liked this old setting better tbh
The only humanoids I can think of in all of the AQs would be the big anubis guys at the beginning, other than that, nothing really:)
Zera, first off congrats to you and your wife! I’ve been a fan of your videos for a while concerning hunter bis in classic. However, I have to disagree with you on the DFT situation, and let me explain why. Starting with two on use trinkets (even with swarmguard not sharing a CD with other on use trinkets) is a dps loss and compared to DFT in your trinket slot and trinket swapping jom and earthstrike throughout the fight. I was surprised you didnt run that sim. And it comes out as even more of a dps loss when the boss has full sunders/ff/etc on it and badge becomes less effective. By no means is the list you provided a bad list, I would just disagree that they are “bis”. I’d love to have a conversation with you about this if you have the time! -Browny, Formerly of Kurinnaxx
In sims I did have 2 on use compared to DFT at the start was a DPS loss. Started with renatakis and Jom > switch renatakis into blackhands breadth > BHB JOM rest of fight. u seem to forget on use trinkets have a 30 second CD from equipping it.
Ring of the godslayer is better than Ring og qiraji fury if you have kings OR ZG buff. even without buffs its incredible close. it has 0.2 less dps without buffs, but offers alot more stamina. with full world buffs on alliance it will give you 3.5 more dps.
san ji you’ve nailed it bro. Spot on. I just like the idea of having Qiraji too for those times you’re outside raid content. But yes. god slayer + Exalted signet ring are the ones you want.
The way you speak about your guild and the "restrictions" you should be having fairer fire/sunderarmor(or rogue imp expose armor)/annilator debuff, etc that all drop boss armor, if thats the case than there would be absolutely no reason to use badge of the swarmguard on a boss fight as the effective armor of a boss would already be at 0. So if that is the case than DFT would be massively more useful.
Grats ZERA! INC GREAT DAD!!!
Congratulations on baby zera, how about the gun from ouro?
Rip, unless you are in a dkp guild or pug, blue trinkets till tbc lol
Big congratz on becoming a father man!
Badge of the swarm guard is negligible as there isn't really enough armour left on the bosses after sunders etc to utilize it to it's full potential. You are better off with Earthstrike. Also utilizing Drakefang + a Hit ring you could drop 3% hit and go with +7 scope and also be able to be hit capped for melee weaving using Barb of the sandreaver which does massive raptor strikes also +25 agi I believe is available in this patch so dual wields bonus from enchants is now down to 5agi more. Raptor strike weaving gives easily 40-70dps over traditional ranged dps for me personally, depending on the fight and on improved AoH procs. Not to mention if you utilize another hit ring or Band of Accuria you are able to use full DS set which is now potentially viable as most hunters should be starting to get 8/8 for more uptime.