After my experince with crackling lance as a league starter i'm a little more conservative with league starters. Don't get me wrong as a 2nd caracter,maybe.
Understandable, wise even :p Though do keep in mind also that crackling lance failed on a technical misunderstanding from something we saw in the trailer that they didn't put into the actual game (something with intensity charge stacking topleft iirc while it didn't work with the intensify gem). This is based purely off of gem info so that should generally be a lot safer. That being said, new skills are never a guarantee so unless you know how to adapt and write your own guide from there is always a risk involved with unproven builds.
@@valreth5648 Not really, crackling lance is kinda hard to play because you need a lot of cast speed to be comfy at bossing, but if you have alot of cast speed crackling lance turn into a laser prett fast which is really bad for clear without inpulsa. I once started as crackling lance, that was not good expirience at all
@@selfdestruct4596 Patchnotes: Fixed a bug where Crackling Lance's Beam Width per Intensity did not work correctly unless you repeated the skill. I mean that might help matters a little, though generally yea it has historically felt pretty aids to clear with so maybe a 2nd/3rd build kinda thing just to see if it helped at all.
Because I'm in for the pain so I may try out Lightning Conduit as league-starter. I'm thinking about doing it with Inquisitor using Mjolner. Chance to shock we can utilize the new Overcharge gem and some notes in the skill tree. Hopefully I won't get my ass whopped very badly LOL
Thanks for this. Had contemplated Dominating Blow or Golemancer, but my tertiary was a spark build so with this new spell, it just moved up. And your builds are always well rounded with your own twist, which I highly appreciate.
@@destroyermaker The nice thing is that Lily's tree takes you past most of the generically good caster stuff, so you should be able to easily pivot into whatever on-hit, non-crit spell you like without all that many regrets if it ends up falling flat.
@@VoidWalkerX Yes, I just saw it a while ago. I still think it will be more than viable though. It's just the flat damage that got nerfed, while the shock scaling damage got buffed. As far as I understand, it's to make it weaker for builds that have low shock scaling investment, but stronger for those that do. So I don't think the nerf is as bad as some make it out to be.
Lily one question. Have you though about adding Galvanic field too? The sockets are super starved but couldn't we run Galvanic Field and Lightning Conduit in the same 6link? Really nice build thanks.
We've lowered the base hit damage of the skill by 35% and have raised the hit damage multiplier that is based on the Shock strength from 15% to 20% per 5% at gem level 20. Damage Effectiveness has been updated to 190%.
It seems like getting Shaper of Storms and the Lightning Prolif mastery before using Lightning Conduit would be important. The prolif will ensure that you can hit everything in the area. I'm also thinking Storm Brand probably does make more sense as a shock applicator, especially since it's going to have better uptime on bosses that move around.
Very cool and unique build, but why not using instensify on main LC. Also i don't think overshock on OoS does anything as we are scaling the 15% minimum shock. I would also use more ES oriented chest and ES leech mastery to overcome the hefty mana cost of LC(which is like 15% higher than that of shock nova).
15% minimum shock just becomes the baseline for shock as opposed to 0%. You still need high damage to apply high shock. Also, you can't spam LC that fast. It will actually end up costing less mana per second than Shock Nova.
@@mp7311 nope, baseline shock is 5%, if you don't achieve it, it isn't applied. Elementalist solves this entirely. Also, you CAN spam LC this hard, but GGG preemptively buffed LC, now it does more damage, has 20%more baseline crit and cost almost twice less. So, mana is no longer an issue
Hello, I did ES + Block version of this in PoB with 3 large clusters for pen. Overall I took it to around 15mil dps and 10k es and 50-75% block. It's lowlife version using Shav's wrappings and presence of chayula and with wrath and banner being reserved as life, which opens up a slot for good juicy watcher's eye. Also used medium Thread of hope on the left side to grab Sanctum of Thought, Holy Dominion and Divine Judgement. Also it is possible to use Large as well to get Glancing Blows and replace block passives on the tree with even more dmg/es passives. Since I still went with Determination aura it is possible to use Aeigs instead of shaper shield with ES % on block. Tell me what anoint you planned to take? I went with Tranquility. And what Helm enchant we are supposed to use? I like the idea of the build I'm going to league start it! P.S every items that I put in pob is not mirror tier and it's easily craftable :D
The new mastery states "+15% to maximum effect of shock" This is actually a buff, not a nerf. Your max shock goes from 50 to 65 (5% buff) but it will add with other sources that give even more +#%. The old mastery was a one-and-done override
@@SvenNot7 you can simulate by adding "Your Shocks can increase Damage taken by up to a maximum of 65%" there, It's the same wording used on Voltaxic Rift so it works.
If you shock sirus with 65% shock... You will be very good in this game XD you need stack a lot of hit dmg, shock effectiveness, lower boss lightning res, this is very hard. Only with Dorian is prototype you can do it with ez.
@@spinalgrey3600 overshock support helps a lot Plus if you go annihilating light then its a 6 link shock setup, with triple dmg. You can also run painseeker for another 100-200 effect
Do you think hexblast would be a good vehicle for shock as well ? It's less automated than OoS but I just really prefer it and this build already paths right by the nodes for it.
Cast while channeling lightning conduit is better, it doesn't actually give the skills a cooldown, so you need ~67-68% cast speed in order to get the lightning conduit every 0.35 seconds. Since it will incur a cooldown on its own, but the support gem won't. CoC would add a 0.15 second cd to the base 0.5 second cast time of lightning conduit, which doesn't sound great for CoC.
@@Sbrady31789 yup. you put brand with curses and use it when needed ( boss onlyu probaby :P ) then Herald will apply shock anyway, tested on my Auto Bomber
Updated Stormcharger unique boots can have 40% ms and 50% increased non damage ailments. Or new Thunderfist with the 100% increased ailment. Still not worth?
Overcharge is kinda a waste With unbound on your OoS you already have 65% which is the cap in your build. No reason to add any other links especially not ones that rely on damage which will get cut down badly against bosses.
Question, wouldnt ball lightning be better for clearing maps and orb of storms for bosses? Ball lightning can hit lots of targets fast, just like orb of storms but, wouldn't it reach further away faster than orb of storms? Orb of storms for bosses since it triggers when you cast a lightning skill, you cast lightning conduit, consumes the lightning but orb of storms will rehit immediately so you can keep on spaming conduit?
@@brunocarreira8651 >wouldn't you need AR to hit the mob? Assuming you mean accuracy rating, with shock prolif mastery, assuming you hit just 1 mob in a pack you're good to go
@@dslily i forgot that support existed xD now makes since, minimal shocks for packs of mobs, big ones for bosses from orb of storms, excelente idea, another one for my league start possibility xD
@@filipkalisz822 It has to go hit, damage, remove shock. It gains increased damage based off of shock effect, and if it removed the shock before the enemy took damage but snapshotted the increased damage, it still wouldn't gain the bonus damage from them being shocked. I'm pretty sure the enemy dying will happen before the shock is removed, but its actually hard to say.
Maybe you could you use obliteration wand to get big shocks from monster HP with shaper of storms to prolif through packs of monsters and then you could recasting conduit?
The shock has to be reapplied. It's why necro would have to recast new corpses to trigger a new conduit cast. so the skitterbots would have to leave their range then come back to the same target to reapply it. Which is bad cuz you can't control them
I think going for classic storm brand setup in body and 6l Lightning Conduit in Annihilating light could be good for both clearing and bossing. LC cast time and Brand trigger rate line up nicely.
I had some ideas and, yep, Storm Brand seemed the most convenient for shocking as an Elementalist. You can also take Runesmith for "Enemies take 5% per brand attached to them" or something like that and Runebinder to bring that up to 10%. I didn't PoB it, but seems decent as you can use Storm Brand - Chain/Elemental Proliferation (not sure which would be better) - Onslaught (- Overshock/Faster Casting) with exposure gloves. Or, well, use the 12 (?) radius from the tree. I had also considered Orb of Storms and Ball Lightning, but imo Storm Brand is too convenient. And, while leveling, Skitterbots - Unbound Ailments should be enough for most intents and purposes until normal lab. BL/Storm Brand/Arc - Elemental Proliferation (- Overshock/Faster Casting) should be enough if Skitterbots isn't.
@@hamzahussain7794 Do not underestimate that you need Overcharge support then. You loose the min 15% damage taken from Shaper of Storms you can scale from with non damaging ailments. You need insane damage on bosses to get your shocks because you have no min shock effect. Even with the gem I am not sure if you can even reach the shock effect you want.
That doesn't seem like it's going to be a good idea. You need to scale shock effect to make the skill it's strongest and for ignite you need to scale damage over time heavily. You will end up being really starved for points. You would have to find a way to both get really high fire DoT value AND shock effect value.
I have been theorycrafting this. Here are my two cents: - The issue I see is that the on cast proc of Orb of Storms may hit before Lightning Conduit removes the shock. In that case, you would have to wait for a new application of the shock. You mentioned Storm Brand or other ways of shocking, which would work, but would add an inherent cooldown to the skill. This would make PoB DPS unreliable. - I would run Frostblink with Elemental Proliferation (more radius than the upcoming mastery) and Increase Area of Effect support. This would be a good source of chills withouit needing to take the ascendancy node and would make mapping much smoother. I imagine blinking into a pack to shock all nearby enemies, and then casting Conduit to kill them. I also plan to run Hydrosphere instead of Orb of Storms and "activate" it with Frostblink. - Pinacle bosses require absurd amounts of lightning damage to get to high percentages. I believe it's better to rely on the base 15% from the ascendency and rely on as much shock effect as possible. - Given that there's going to be a new lightning damage + crit cluster where Arcing blows used to be, I would argue that it's better to go crit instead of Elemental Overload. The mastery that gives 50% increased ailment effect on crit would be great in that case. - The new mastery for maximum shock effect (+15%) is a direct buff. If you wanted very strong shocks, you might want to run that with an Arcanist Brand/Shock Nova setup since Shock Nova is getting +10%. I don't see anyone getting 75% on bosses though. Edit: - Base maximum shock is 50%, not 55%.
Interesting takes. Ive read through them twice. I have several questions and fyi I am in no way aware of complicated stuff in this game. 1.) Why would a second hit of OOS remove the shock? 2.) What do you mean with inherent cooldown for the brand skill? 3.) Blinking into enemies to afflict ailments sounds suicidal? 4.) Against pinacle bosses you have overcharge? 5.) Investing into crit would cut even more defenses, which makes 3.) even worse TBH i am certain, that you have very solid answers and hope you can enlighten me and others.
@@ForeverToTheTop Thanks, hopefully I can be of some help. 1) A second hit of OoS would fail to reapply a shock if it hits before Lightning Conduit. Ideally, you would want OoS to apply the first shock, then cast Lightning Conduit to remove it, and have this cast of LC trigger OoS so that it applies a second shock right after. But if you cast LC, OoS hits and then LC removes the shock, you would have to wait for a timed hit from OoS to be able to cast LC again. Of course, this is assuming that you need to have a valid target in order to cast LC and trigger a beam from OoS. 2) With the assumption that you cannot cast LC without a shocked target within radius, there would be intermittent pauses between the removal of shock and the next hit from Storm Brand where you can't cast LC again. Once again, this is based on my assumption of having a valid target. 3) In juiced maps, it is. For general mapping, you have a slight window after blinking into the pack where most normal and magic monsters are stunned from the initial impact. With high crit builds, you are most likely going to freeze them and spread this freeze. This is not recommended for hardcore, but in SC it's easy to pull off, especially when you have a skill wth a base cast time of 0.5 seconds like LC. 4) To apply a 50% shock on Sirius (non-Uber) without any shock effect or shenanigans, you need a 25 million hit. Provided the "25% less damage" from Overcharge does not affect damage for the sake of ailment calculations, which is a big if, you would need a hit of around 4 million damage. Having 100% shock effect would lower this to 2 million damage. That is a lot to ask from a 4 link Orb of Storms. 5) Yes and no. You can drop cast speed and raw elemental damage nodes and get better damage return from crit ones without touching a single passive devoted to defences. Plus, crit on Frostblink means freezing enemies, like I mentioned before. I hope this sheds some lights into my line of thought. Of course, I might be horribly wrong, but I'll get to know once the skill becomes available. Anyways, I love these kinds of discussions.
@@ForeverToTheTop BTW, regarding point 3, you don't need to blink directly into the pack, you can do so on the edges and still proc the freeze and the shock with proliferation.
@@S3frog Amazing stuff! Knowing you love discussions like this I will continue with my speculations and add fuel to this conversation. Btw I have learned alot and will apply much of what your suggestions. 1.) Why bother about a "waiting time" before you can use LC on shocked enemies, when Stormbrand, with like 100-200% CastSpeed, has an insane activation frequency, such that the player is actually unable to LC inbetween - LC CD. 2.) Would you take further AoE increasement passives to further improve the ailments spread by Frostblink? Smart Frostblinks should be viable in HC too, because Freeze and Chill are pseudo defensive layers in a way. 3.) Do you mind sharing your PoB with your take on all of this? I think many would appreciate it
@Adem Akboga Please do, this is helpful to me as well. 1) You are right about this. Storm Brand is so fast it probably won't matter at all. 2) I think that the 60% AoE bonus when Convergence is not active is enough, but I would have to try it. As far as I know, Elemental Proliferation Support is superior to other forms of proliferation like Berek's Respite or the glove implicit from eldritch crafting because these other forms do not scale out of increased AoE. 3) This is my poor man's plan for week 1 SSF: pastebin.com/iZ24eu3H. The three missing points would go into the new critical + lightning cluster. At some point I would probably get Berek's Respite or a temple amulet to leech life out of lightning damage. I would also try to make a pseudo 5-link setup on the helmet for Galvanic Field using Essences of Horror. It's very nice to be able to discuss PoE with someone as keen and respectful as you. Please, let me know any suggestions or ideas you might have. Have a nice day!
skitter bots don't reapply shock unless you go out of range and go back in range, if you can oneshot everything with lightning conduit then it'd be fine, if you can't then it's meh
Cant you use Skitterbots with Infernal Legion, Unbound Aliments and Overcharge to shock ? The shock effect should be weaker, but you could spam Lightning Conduit
Overcharge supports any skill that "hits" enemies, so Skitters are out. Also, just fidding around in PoB - with a lvl 30 Skitterbots gem linked to 21/20 unbound ailments and 50% increased aura effect we still only reach a 31% shock effect from the skitterbots. Not ideal for single target damage but could of course make for a smoother mapping setup if you chose to build that way. Also keep in mind that Skitterbots as a source of your shock for this build in particular is simply not worth it when paired against a 2 button build where both skills have a .50 cast time; with a reasonable amount of cast speed scaling the cast times become damn near instant and quickly bridges the gap on QoL the skitterbots give.
Am i wrong, does the DAMAGE orb of storms does actually modify the value of the shock, since its being applied via minimum with ascendancy? it will never do enough for orb of storm to reach past the minimum via dmg on hit right?
The shock is being applied from OOS damage, not the elementalist ascendancy, as you can get much higher shock values with OOS damage And yes OOS does more than enough damage with overcharge support. You can max shock pinnacle bosses with it.
This doesn't sound right. If you get 15% shock then modified by shock effect passive or effects, then increasing the shock "as if doing xxx more damage" will not effect it. Only other increases to AILMENT or Shock effect directly will modify it higher, unless it's damage is truly high enough to shock (which it isnt)
@@rossgraham7179 You are right. This version scales the minimum shock basically always. With the right amount of shock effect you'll get a 65% shock on bosses regardless of how much damage your skills are doing.
Yes it works but Note the "Shock as though you deal 300% more damage" is now only for weapon attacks. Bu tthe +40% max shock still might be worth it IMO
I'm doing this. The dmg potential looks huge, and everything looks nice and cozy as far a starter goes. Should be able to take down most of the bosses with it.
spell mastery that grants " Spells cause you to gain Mana equal to their Upfront Cost every fifth time you Pay it " this works with the eldritch battery?
Where in the world are you getting 480 es skill cost from? The actual damage skills cost 30-40 mana (es in this case). The only thing that would cost more than that is the Wrath activation, from the Blessing link, which you are obviously not spamming. Also, she has fairly decent es recovery, es leech, and es gained on spell suppression.
I'm quite interessed in it, but i'm a little afraid about the cast speed of Orb of storms. Casting orb of storms at each monster pack appear to me quite slow
Holy fuck this gem is a juicer if you can scale some shock effect :') Though I wonder, this is probably increased "more damage" isn't it? Like every stack adds to the multiplier turning 10 stacks to 100% more, and not a seperate 10% multiplier turning 10 stacks to 159% more?
@@Ajsm351 It's up for interpretation, but the exact wording is "Lightning strikes all shocked enemies around a targeted location, THEN removes shock from those enemies", which hints that shock removal happens after the damage is calculated.
I want to do a CoC shock nova with lightning Conduit in a Mjölnir. Only problem will be the CD of lightning conduit I guess. would be really cool with Impulsa too
The point of OoS is to automate it. Once the orb is down each time you cast LC it'll do it's damage and have OoS trigger and and shock them again so you can effectively just spam LC for the entire duration of the orb. If you use arc you have to alternate between arc and LC effectively halving your DPS.
I sense a lot of CoC SNova Mjolnir Doryanis Prototype setups with this new skill. Maybe even with a Squire. Not a starter build, but it should be rly good.
Doryanis's gonna be really good with the amount of negative res you can get on rares now I think? They brought back scourge as beyond, but i think you cant get the scourge implicits right?
Shock scales with damage dealt so it would be s super weak shock if it even applied. You have to do enough damage to get at least a 5% shock or it dosent even apply.
@@yoyodragons Galvanic field + Orb of storms looks interesting, having 2 damaging areas. Add in Conduit for more damage. Will have to experiment of course, see what feels best.
Ok this + New rings -70% ele res + doryani prototype. Can go to 10 mil maybe. Further investment like triple ele dmg staff or +3/+5 staff can be good maybe. Sacrifying defences... i'm a softcore player
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I've been tinkering on and off on a LC build of my own and this has been really helpful and insightful. Thank you!
I admire you for even having the time to make your own build still with this patch on the horizon X_X Take my energy ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
After my experince with crackling lance as a league starter i'm a little more conservative with league starters. Don't get me wrong as a 2nd caracter,maybe.
Understandable, wise even :p Though do keep in mind also that crackling lance failed on a technical misunderstanding from something we saw in the trailer that they didn't put into the actual game (something with intensity charge stacking topleft iirc while it didn't work with the intensify gem). This is based purely off of gem info so that should generally be a lot safer. That being said, new skills are never a guarantee so unless you know how to adapt and write your own guide from there is always a risk involved with unproven builds.
I was thinking about a crackling lance trickster as a starter. Haven't done any theory crafting yet. Do you think it is worth looking into?
@@valreth5648 Not really, crackling lance is kinda hard to play because you need a lot of cast speed to be comfy at bossing, but if you have alot of cast speed crackling lance turn into a laser prett fast which is really bad for clear without inpulsa. I once started as crackling lance, that was not good expirience at all
@@selfdestruct4596 Patchnotes:
Fixed a bug where Crackling Lance's Beam Width per Intensity did not work correctly unless you repeated the skill.
I mean that might help matters a little, though generally yea it has historically felt pretty aids to clear with so maybe a 2nd/3rd build kinda thing just to see if it helped at all.
Because I'm in for the pain so I may try out Lightning Conduit as league-starter. I'm thinking about doing it with Inquisitor using Mjolner. Chance to shock we can utilize the new Overcharge gem and some notes in the skill tree. Hopefully I won't get my ass whopped very badly LOL
Thanks for this. Had contemplated Dominating Blow or Golemancer, but my tertiary was a spark build so with this new spell, it just moved up. And your builds are always well rounded with your own twist, which I highly appreciate.
Will totally give this one a go.
While I feel it's always risky to start the league with a new skillgem, this one looks really solid. Thanks Lily.
The trick is to have a backup
@@destroyermaker The nice thing is that Lily's tree takes you past most of the generically good caster stuff, so you should be able to easily pivot into whatever on-hit, non-crit spell you like without all that many regrets if it ends up falling flat.
@@LorberryDux yeah, if the new skill doesn’t work you can directly goes to Arc, almost exactly the same passive tree
it just got nerfed btw
@@VoidWalkerX Yes, I just saw it a while ago.
I still think it will be more than viable though.
It's just the flat damage that got nerfed, while the shock scaling damage got buffed.
As far as I understand, it's to make it weaker for builds that have low shock scaling investment, but stronger for those that do.
So I don't think the nerf is as bad as some make it out to be.
What is the range on this?
Lily one question. Have you though about adding Galvanic field too? The sockets are super starved but couldn't we run Galvanic Field and Lightning Conduit in the same 6link? Really nice build thanks.
We've lowered the base hit damage of the skill by 35% and have raised the hit damage multiplier that is based on the Shock strength from 15% to 20% per 5% at gem level 20. Damage Effectiveness has been updated to 190%.
It seems like getting Shaper of Storms and the Lightning Prolif mastery before using Lightning Conduit would be important. The prolif will ensure that you can hit everything in the area. I'm also thinking Storm Brand probably does make more sense as a shock applicator, especially since it's going to have better uptime on bosses that move around.
Or you can just use ele prolif in your oos and save a point.
Thanks for your helpful guides. It really gets the points across. Coming from a beginner!
I saw your build in Steam, can you update it? What points I should pick first in that ascendency?
Very cool and unique build, but why not using instensify on main LC. Also i don't think overshock on OoS does anything as we are scaling the 15% minimum shock. I would also use more ES oriented chest and ES leech mastery to overcome the hefty mana cost of LC(which is like 15% higher than that of shock nova).
15% minimum shock just becomes the baseline for shock as opposed to 0%. You still need high damage to apply high shock. Also, you can't spam LC that fast. It will actually end up costing less mana per second than Shock Nova.
@@mp7311 nope, baseline shock is 5%, if you don't achieve it, it isn't applied. Elementalist solves this entirely. Also, you CAN spam LC this hard, but GGG preemptively buffed LC, now it does more damage, has 20%more baseline crit and cost almost twice less. So, mana is no longer an issue
@@GeorgeCross-i7c I wrote baseline 15% because we were talking about elementalist. It was obvious.
What about waggle's testing of hydrosphere, would it change your build/approach at all? @ds lily
Can u trigger this with coc or slinger so u dont have to do the 2 button playstyle?
The POB linked is a new build now? oversight perhaps while u were making builds?
Shock prolif as a mastery is insane….
thoughts on spark supported by overcharge/unbound ailments to apply shock then lightning conduit as main damage?
oot: hmn seems like a big dmg number - will this be better than arc/ignite - for a ignite build? :>
Hello, I did ES + Block version of this in PoB with 3 large clusters for pen. Overall I took it to around 15mil dps and 10k es and 50-75% block. It's lowlife version using Shav's wrappings and presence of chayula and with wrath and banner being reserved as life, which opens up a slot for good juicy watcher's eye. Also used medium Thread of hope on the left side to grab Sanctum of Thought, Holy Dominion and Divine Judgement. Also it is possible to use Large as well to get Glancing Blows and replace block passives on the tree with even more dmg/es passives. Since I still went with Determination aura it is possible to use Aeigs instead of shaper shield with ES % on block. Tell me what anoint you planned to take? I went with Tranquility. And what Helm enchant we are supposed to use? I like the idea of the build I'm going to league start it! P.S every items that I put in pob is not mirror tier and it's easily craftable :D
Hey can you share your PoB? Sounds interesting
so conduit is like flame surge yeah?
The new mastery states "+15% to maximum effect of shock" This is actually a buff, not a nerf. Your max shock goes from 50 to 65 (5% buff) but it will add with other sources that give even more +#%. The old mastery was a one-and-done override
is there a way to put this into POB atm? i tried putting it in the custom modifiers section but it didnt change the 50% shock in the Calcs.
@@SvenNot7 you can simulate by adding "Your Shocks can increase Damage taken by up to a maximum of 65%" there, It's the same wording used on Voltaxic Rift so it works.
Also the New lightning mastery gives +15% shock which means its actually a buff. You will have 65% shock instead of 60 with old mastery
If you shock sirus with 65% shock... You will be very good in this game XD you need stack a lot of hit dmg, shock effectiveness, lower boss lightning res, this is very hard. Only with Dorian is prototype you can do it with ez.
@@spinalgrey3600 overshock support helps a lot
Plus if you go annihilating light then its a 6 link shock setup, with triple dmg.
You can also run painseeker for another 100-200 effect
@@TheShaunika show me this in game...
@@spinalgrey3600 overshock isnt in the game, but just imagine doing like 700% more dmg
@@TheShaunika you think it's true? Just some new support thats make yours dmg 7 time higher? Wrong interpretation in my opinion lulz
Do you think hexblast would be a good vehicle for shock as well ? It's less automated than OoS but I just really prefer it and this build already paths right by the nodes for it.
how about a mjolnir arc and CoC lightning conduit? Think it could work?
working on that right now. hard to get all the breakpoints in order though. not onlc cdr and attack speed but also the shock values :b
@@makiimedia Mind sharing your work? Thought about the same build but im to dumb/lazy to pob it :D
Cast while channeling lightning conduit is better, it doesn't actually give the skills a cooldown, so you need ~67-68% cast speed in order to get the lightning conduit every 0.35 seconds. Since it will incur a cooldown on its own, but the support gem won't. CoC would add a 0.15 second cd to the base 0.5 second cast time of lightning conduit, which doesn't sound great for CoC.
Wanted to try something new as a starter... Thanks for the saved hours to make a pob.) Great job)
Could we use bladefall with volley support for shock instead of orb of storm or is it a bad idea?
Will the pob be updated to reflect current tree/changes? Sorry if this was asked already or answered
is galvanic not free damage on a shock effect build?
@lilly, how about Herald of Thunder + storm secret, it will apply perm shock for you and you can just run and spam Lightning Conduit. Any thoughts?
Herald of Thunder can't shock
@@theCataras Yes but we use Elementalist to overcome that issue
@@ihmss You cant override the CANNOT shock modifier. You would still need another spell to cause the shock
@@Sbrady31789 yup. you put brand with curses and use it when needed ( boss onlyu probaby :P ) then Herald will apply shock anyway, tested on my Auto Bomber
@@ihmss herald cannot shock. But the brand always does so yes the brand is what makes your build work with shocks.
in the pob notes you wrote its really important to get EB but u didn't pick it until 90, is that correct or do you pick it when u swap to conduit ?
PoB doesn't have the new skillgems. Did you custom add them? NM, pulled your build and seeing your are simulating, cool. :)
This spell already got a substantial buff according to the newly released gem info.
Then got toned down a bit.
nice build.
how about using lightning arrow and ashenat chant to proc conduit
Trigger time is added to casting time on the new skill, so it won't be that good. also can't really use it in a CWC or COC build
can we freeze with this build?
can i do this build but with Arc and 4 golems instead? i got arc mtx last league and i really wanna have the QOL from golems
whats the fall back is this skill isnt very good?
Would you play this in hc?
Updated Stormcharger unique boots can have 40% ms and 50% increased non damage ailments. Or new Thunderfist with the 100% increased ailment. Still not worth?
8:00 Lily talks about Thunderfist. You can use before you get a 6L
what is our base source of shock ? Orb of storms ?
I'm guessing using unbound ailments arc-trap would be arse as a means of applying shock?
All that matters is your %effect of ailments/shock, it doesn't matter what delivers the shock
Will shocks from skitterbots any good for this skill?
have you tried necro corpses?
Overcharge is kinda a waste
With unbound on your OoS you already have 65% which is the cap in your build. No reason to add any other links especially not ones that rely on damage which will get cut down badly against bosses.
Em... Does it work with Skitterbots? It certanly sounds like it does...
Question, wouldnt ball lightning be better for clearing maps and orb of storms for bosses? Ball lightning can hit lots of targets fast, just like orb of storms but, wouldn't it reach further away faster than orb of storms? Orb of storms for bosses since it triggers when you cast a lightning skill, you cast lightning conduit, consumes the lightning but orb of storms will rehit immediately so you can keep on spaming conduit?
you can just shield charge into packs then use lightning conduit
@@dslily wouldn't you need AR to hit the mob? With all the reservation changes isn't it going to get a bit tight on gear with that?
@@brunocarreira8651 >wouldn't you need AR to hit the mob?
Assuming you mean accuracy rating, with shock prolif mastery, assuming you hit just 1 mob in a pack you're good to go
@@brunocarreira8651 additional accuracy support and a little bit somewhere else will probably be fine
@@dslily i forgot that support existed xD now makes since, minimal shocks for packs of mobs, big ones for bosses from orb of storms, excelente idea, another one for my league start possibility xD
thought on storms gift and inpulsa for this build?
do u think shock prolif would carry the mapping?
Conduit removes shock, no shock = No explosions
@@filipkalisz822 yea i didnt think this through, thank you
@@filipkalisz822 conduit remove shock after the hit, not before. inpulsa still works
@@TheYxcvbnm1994 so you are killing enemies before hit or after the hit? Obviously you kill them after the hit
@@filipkalisz822 It has to go hit, damage, remove shock. It gains increased damage based off of shock effect, and if it removed the shock before the enemy took damage but snapshotted the increased damage, it still wouldn't gain the bonus damage from them being shocked. I'm pretty sure the enemy dying will happen before the shock is removed, but its actually hard to say.
wondor how it looks now with the new lightning-gems-update
Maybe you could you use obliteration wand to get big shocks from monster HP with shaper of storms to prolif through packs of monsters and then you could recasting conduit?
what about archmage arcanist brand iwth it.. ?
What happened to the necro version idea? I liked the idea with corpse pact allowing you to spam lightning conduit (theoretically).
bunch of ppl say it doesnt work
@@dslily That sucks, wonder if it's a bug or intended. Was a cool idea.
@@dslily What if you use Corpsewalker boots for spawning new corpses.
Lightning Arrow + overcharge ?
Those numbers are pretty huge with a 10% more per 5% shock?
Swap out orb of storms with galvanic?
cant you use Skitterbots for shock application? Just permanent uptime that way right?
The shock has to be reapplied. It's why necro would have to recast new corpses to trigger a new conduit cast. so the skitterbots would have to leave their range then come back to the same target to reapply it. Which is bad cuz you can't control them
2 things Lily,
1. how about trickster for that tanky stuff
2. seen the buff? (ofc you did)
look good do you have a sc version?
I'm also thinking LC. Flipping between arc and storm brand to apply my shocks atm.
Same storm brand seems most comfy to use
I think going for classic storm brand setup in body and 6l Lightning Conduit in Annihilating light could be good for both clearing and bossing. LC cast time and Brand trigger rate line up nicely.
I am thinking about going in this direction as well. Storm brand inquistor seems good enough for this
I had some ideas and, yep, Storm Brand seemed the most convenient for shocking as an Elementalist. You can also take Runesmith for "Enemies take 5% per brand attached to them" or something like that and Runebinder to bring that up to 10%. I didn't PoB it, but seems decent as you can use Storm Brand - Chain/Elemental Proliferation (not sure which would be better) - Onslaught (- Overshock/Faster Casting) with exposure gloves. Or, well, use the 12 (?) radius from the tree.
I had also considered Orb of Storms and Ball Lightning, but imo Storm Brand is too convenient. And, while leveling, Skitterbots - Unbound Ailments should be enough for most intents and purposes until normal lab. BL/Storm Brand/Arc - Elemental Proliferation (- Overshock/Faster Casting) should be enough if Skitterbots isn't.
@@hamzahussain7794 Do not underestimate that you need Overcharge support then. You loose the min 15% damage taken from Shaper of Storms you can scale from with non damaging ailments. You need insane damage on bosses to get your shocks because you have no min shock effect. Even with the gem I am not sure if you can even reach the shock effect you want.
I'm thinking of playing this skill but adding ignite to it, like those built arc ignite. I don't know if it will work or not.
That doesn't seem like it's going to be a good idea. You need to scale shock effect to make the skill it's strongest and for ignite you need to scale damage over time heavily. You will end up being really starved for points. You would have to find a way to both get really high fire DoT value AND shock effect value.
The scaling specifies "damage with hits", so probably not.
I have been theorycrafting this. Here are my two cents:
- The issue I see is that the on cast proc of Orb of Storms may hit before Lightning Conduit removes the shock. In that case, you would have to wait for a new application of the shock. You mentioned Storm Brand or other ways of shocking, which would work, but would add an inherent cooldown to the skill. This would make PoB DPS unreliable.
- I would run Frostblink with Elemental Proliferation (more radius than the upcoming mastery) and Increase Area of Effect support. This would be a good source of chills withouit needing to take the ascendancy node and would make mapping much smoother. I imagine blinking into a pack to shock all nearby enemies, and then casting Conduit to kill them. I also plan to run Hydrosphere instead of Orb of Storms and "activate" it with Frostblink.
- Pinacle bosses require absurd amounts of lightning damage to get to high percentages. I believe it's better to rely on the base 15% from the ascendency and rely on as much shock effect as possible.
- Given that there's going to be a new lightning damage + crit cluster where Arcing blows used to be, I would argue that it's better to go crit instead of Elemental Overload. The mastery that gives 50% increased ailment effect on crit would be great in that case.
- The new mastery for maximum shock effect (+15%) is a direct buff. If you wanted very strong shocks, you might want to run that with an Arcanist Brand/Shock Nova setup since Shock Nova is getting +10%. I don't see anyone getting 75% on bosses though.
Edit:
- Base maximum shock is 50%, not 55%.
Interesting takes. Ive read through them twice. I have several questions and fyi I am in no way aware of complicated stuff in this game.
1.) Why would a second hit of OOS remove the shock?
2.) What do you mean with inherent cooldown for the brand skill?
3.) Blinking into enemies to afflict ailments sounds suicidal?
4.) Against pinacle bosses you have overcharge?
5.) Investing into crit would cut even more defenses, which makes 3.) even worse
TBH i am certain, that you have very solid answers and hope you can enlighten me and others.
@@ForeverToTheTop Thanks, hopefully I can be of some help.
1) A second hit of OoS would fail to reapply a shock if it hits before Lightning Conduit. Ideally, you would want OoS to apply the first shock, then cast Lightning Conduit to remove it, and have this cast of LC trigger OoS so that it applies a second shock right after. But if you cast LC, OoS hits and then LC removes the shock, you would have to wait for a timed hit from OoS to be able to cast LC again. Of course, this is assuming that you need to have a valid target in order to cast LC and trigger a beam from OoS.
2) With the assumption that you cannot cast LC without a shocked target within radius, there would be intermittent pauses between the removal of shock and the next hit from Storm Brand where you can't cast LC again. Once again, this is based on my assumption of having a valid target.
3) In juiced maps, it is. For general mapping, you have a slight window after blinking into the pack where most normal and magic monsters are stunned from the initial impact. With high crit builds, you are most likely going to freeze them and spread this freeze. This is not recommended for hardcore, but in SC it's easy to pull off, especially when you have a skill wth a base cast time of 0.5 seconds like LC.
4) To apply a 50% shock on Sirius (non-Uber) without any shock effect or shenanigans, you need a 25 million hit. Provided the "25% less damage" from Overcharge does not affect damage for the sake of ailment calculations, which is a big if, you would need a hit of around 4 million damage. Having 100% shock effect would lower this to 2 million damage. That is a lot to ask from a 4 link Orb of Storms.
5) Yes and no. You can drop cast speed and raw elemental damage nodes and get better damage return from crit ones without touching a single passive devoted to defences. Plus, crit on Frostblink means freezing enemies, like I mentioned before.
I hope this sheds some lights into my line of thought. Of course, I might be horribly wrong, but I'll get to know once the skill becomes available. Anyways, I love these kinds of discussions.
@@ForeverToTheTop BTW, regarding point 3, you don't need to blink directly into the pack, you can do so on the edges and still proc the freeze and the shock with proliferation.
@@S3frog Amazing stuff! Knowing you love discussions like this I will continue with my speculations and add fuel to this conversation. Btw I have learned alot and will apply much of what your suggestions. 1.) Why bother about a "waiting time" before you can use LC on shocked enemies, when Stormbrand, with like 100-200% CastSpeed, has an insane activation frequency, such that the player is actually unable to LC inbetween - LC CD. 2.) Would you take further AoE increasement passives to further improve the ailments spread by Frostblink? Smart Frostblinks should be viable in HC too, because Freeze and Chill are pseudo defensive layers in a way. 3.) Do you mind sharing your PoB with your take on all of this? I think many would appreciate it
@Adem Akboga Please do, this is helpful to me as well.
1) You are right about this. Storm Brand is so fast it probably won't matter at all.
2) I think that the 60% AoE bonus when Convergence is not active is enough, but I would have to try it. As far as I know, Elemental Proliferation Support is superior to other forms of proliferation like Berek's Respite or the glove implicit from eldritch crafting because these other forms do not scale out of increased AoE.
3) This is my poor man's plan for week 1 SSF: pastebin.com/iZ24eu3H. The three missing points would go into the new critical + lightning cluster. At some point I would probably get Berek's Respite or a temple amulet to leech life out of lightning damage. I would also try to make a pseudo 5-link setup on the helmet for Galvanic Field using Essences of Horror.
It's very nice to be able to discuss PoE with someone as keen and respectful as you. Please, let me know any suggestions or ideas you might have. Have a nice day!
wont skitter bots be a good solition for aplying the shocks?
skitter bots don't reapply shock unless you go out of range and go back in range, if you can oneshot everything with lightning conduit then it'd be fine, if you can't then it's meh
RIP the necro version. Thanks a bunch for the double upload Lily. Will probs start this!
was that one bricked? it seemed kinda cool
@@LilithTrill I didn't see the other version but I guess it was due to using corpse pact as a way to reaplying shock
@@pablocg4275 yeah, it was this, sadly it doesn't reaply the shock, you would need to recast desecreate to shock again
how to automate this to not use 2 skills....
This isn't true, that build does not have 6477 life, that's why the life is not displayed on the health globe.
Cant you use Skitterbots with Infernal Legion, Unbound Aliments and Overcharge to shock ? The shock effect should be weaker, but you could spam Lightning Conduit
you can spam lightning conduit with orb of storms too
Overcharge supports any skill that "hits" enemies, so Skitters are out. Also, just fidding around in PoB - with a lvl 30 Skitterbots gem linked to 21/20 unbound ailments and 50% increased aura effect we still only reach a 31% shock effect from the skitterbots. Not ideal for single target damage but could of course make for a smoother mapping setup if you chose to build that way.
Also keep in mind that Skitterbots as a source of your shock for this build in particular is simply not worth it when paired against a 2 button build where both skills have a .50 cast time; with a reasonable amount of cast speed scaling the cast times become damn near instant and quickly bridges the gap on QoL the skitterbots give.
@@fussybirdtv9643 I thought, I can 'hit' enemies with Infernal Legion and shock with the elementalist.
But yes, this would probably only work in maps
@@lukasausar2916 Unfortunately infernal legion only allows your minions to apply a burn, it does not "hit" either.
Am i wrong, does the DAMAGE orb of storms does actually modify the value of the shock, since its being applied via minimum with ascendancy? it will never do enough for orb of storm to reach past the minimum via dmg on hit right?
The shock is being applied from OOS damage, not the elementalist ascendancy, as you can get much higher shock values with OOS damage
And yes OOS does more than enough damage with overcharge support. You can max shock pinnacle bosses with it.
@@MyNameIsSalo I didn't know this about orb of storms
This doesn't sound right. If you get 15% shock then modified by shock effect passive or effects, then increasing the shock "as if doing xxx more damage" will not effect it. Only other increases to AILMENT or Shock effect directly will modify it higher, unless it's damage is truly high enough to shock (which it isnt)
@@rossgraham7179 You are right. This version scales the minimum shock basically always. With the right amount of shock effect you'll get a 65% shock on bosses regardless of how much damage your skills are doing.
Can you consistently freeze enemies for the purpose of berek's grip leech?
No, it’s noncrit so you’d need to scale freeze chance which is annoying to get high amounts of
would voltaxic rift's 100% shock effect stack with this skill?
Voltaxic rift now grants +40% maximum shock instead of 100% shock effect. So yes, it stacks: 50 + 15 +40
Yes it works but Note the "Shock as though you deal 300% more damage" is now only for weapon attacks. Bu tthe +40% max shock still might be worth it IMO
Hey Lily, you cant really use inspiration with EB because you spend Energy shield, not mana
I think it's there for the reduced mana cost, not the actual inspiration buff
You're right, sorry
I'm doing this. The dmg potential looks huge, and everything looks nice and cozy as far a starter goes. Should be able to take down most of the bosses with it.
it just got nerfed today
@@VoidWalkerX How so? They just buffed the skills dmg and more multiplier from shock two days ago.
spell mastery that grants " Spells cause you to gain Mana equal to their Upfront Cost every fifth time you Pay it "
this works with the eldritch battery?
It does not.
I would just use skitterbots to apply shock while clearing and stronger shock only for bosses.
That's what I was thinking as well, skitterbots + unbound ailments so you get like 30% ish effect of shock
Unfortunately once you remove skitterbots shock with LC it takes a while to reapply
@@TheShaunika I cant find any information on that
@@JYT1234 i saw a post of someone tested it on pvp, it only reaplies if the enemy leaves and reenters the skiterbots area
@@Francorocco damn I hope that gets addressed. Thanks
hey lily, thx for the guide! Could you do a totem build as well? I am looking for a good totem league starter :)
Tatiantel is the go to person for totem builds
@@PuddinDH ah ok, thx
How do you sustain casting the skill when it's costing 480 ES per second? Did I miss something?
Where in the world are you getting 480 es skill cost from? The actual damage skills cost 30-40 mana (es in this case). The only thing that would cost more than that is the Wrath activation, from the Blessing link, which you are obviously not spamming. Also, she has fairly decent es recovery, es leech, and es gained on spell suppression.
@@soshspotgames4380 It seems she changed the PoB since I asked, it's making more sense now.
I'm quite interessed in it, but i'm a little afraid about the cast speed of Orb of storms. Casting orb of storms at each monster pack appear to me quite slow
when u are mapping u just shield charge + conduit, shield charge applies shock, and just drop orb on harder packs
@@TheFearfulDarkness Oh okay, didn't think about that
What about the next class for survivability? Assassin or Inquistor
Trickster due to ES overleech (similar to slayer - new soul drinker passive). Otherwise inquisitor (assassin is definition of squishy)
@@matejbosela9093 Thanks so much for the advice.
no shatters, no pops, no prolif, two button mapping... completing atlas with this sounds painchamp
They are adding a prolif mastery in 3.19 specifically for shock
this would be sick with mjolner + shock nova + overcharge support and then go CoC or CWC lightning conduit in body!??
lightning conduit adds cast speed to trigger cd. it would make you scale cast speed and attack speed. probably hard to make it work
update. thunderfists are rare as hell. cheaper to buy a 6L base
Holy fuck this gem is a juicer if you can scale some shock effect :') Though I wonder, this is probably increased "more damage" isn't it? Like every stack adds to the multiplier turning 10 stacks to 100% more, and not a seperate 10% multiplier turning 10 stacks to 159% more?
Sources of more damage are additive, works like any support gem or Flameblast for example. So the former.
@@Flame082 Yea that's what I figured, would've been pretty broken otherwise xD Thnx.
I wonder if it removes the shock before applying damage
Are you trolling ? It's litterally written on the gem.
@@almiser You're right, from the wording it seems the shock is calculated before the hit and then removed after. Cheers.
I would say that it probably doesn't, or it wouldn't gain the damage bonus for the enemy being shocked, which seems very counter intuitive to me.
@@Ajsm351 It's up for interpretation, but the exact wording is "Lightning strikes all shocked enemies around a targeted location, THEN removes shock from those enemies", which hints that shock removal happens after the damage is calculated.
I want to do a CoC shock nova with lightning Conduit in a Mjölnir. Only problem will be the CD of lightning conduit I guess. would be really cool with Impulsa too
Lily goddamnit, you dont need background music :D
Maybe use Arc fore the shock ? (10-29)% increased Effect of Lightning Ailments ?
The point of OoS is to automate it. Once the orb is down each time you cast LC it'll do it's damage and have OoS trigger and and shock them again so you can effectively just spam LC for the entire duration of the orb. If you use arc you have to alternate between arc and LC effectively halving your DPS.
@@drekor884 why not use storm brand ? It should aply shock itself so we can spam lightning conduit ?
Double coc arc/conduit mjolnir elementalist with squire sounds pretty good right now
Is it work with Poet Pen + Spellinger ?
Probably gonna be meh because of the trigger limitation on the skill
Still actual with new nerf?
I'm confused, how are you able to cast wrath divine blessing with only 7 unreserved mana or am i missing something?
Eldritch Battery
@@gilium125 thank you!
"Eldritch Battery (often referred to as EB) is a keystone passive skill that makes energy shield protect mana instead of life."
Thank you! im gonna play this, sounds fun
7:27 I did not pick up on that change, very happy to hear about it. I love ailment proliferation.
I sense a lot of CoC SNova Mjolnir Doryanis Prototype setups with this new skill. Maybe even with a Squire. Not a starter build, but it should be rly good.
Doryanis's gonna be really good with the amount of negative res you can get on rares now I think? They brought back scourge as beyond, but i think you cant get the scourge implicits right?
@@niuage well... you can. But they will just drop now. No mechanic to scourge exact item.
@@maxzybin8039 Yea, so we cant really rely on that sadly.
@@niuage new league mechanic could get you an item with 80 or even more negative lightning res. no need for scourge implicits
@@Teferi600 "no need" is not a thing in poe :) I wanted both! ;)
cant you just shield charge to apply shock
Shock scales with damage dealt so it would be s super weak shock if it even applied. You have to do enough damage to get at least a 5% shock or it dosent even apply.
yeah you can do this to clear
@@1211345jon With elementalist no matter what you hit with you get minimum 15% shock.
@@awesomesauce1989 Sick, well nevermind then
2:50 on repeat thank me later
Oh its back, Had this disappear on me mid vid xD
Herald of Lightning with Conductivity perhaps? hmmm probably a different build entirely, but it got me thinking.
herald cannot shock, so there is not that much sense
@@yoyodragons Yeah that kills it intirelly, never played it myself, it looks cool tho even if the single target is a bit meh.
@@DeaXi69 arc, storm brand, orb of storms, shock nova. Choose what you like
@@yoyodragons Storm Secret allows it
@@yoyodragons Galvanic field + Orb of storms looks interesting, having 2 damaging areas. Add in Conduit for more damage.
Will have to experiment of course, see what feels best.
Ok this + New rings -70% ele res + doryani prototype. Can go to 10 mil maybe. Further investment like triple ele dmg staff or +3/+5 staff can be good maybe. Sacrifying defences... i'm a softcore player
probably way more than 10m
make a pastebin account so i can see all your builds and when they are updated in one place please
Tbh I only trust lily for league starter, thanks for the guide!
Can this be done with trickster?
Remember shock nova always shocks now so it’s a good alternative to elementalist.
yep, and + 10% Shok
so with mastery it`s will be 75%
just to clarift, it's the "ring" always shock. shock nova consists of a ring aoe and a big circle aoe.
Gonna yoink your tree and change it to crackling lance, ty! :)