The base self curse of Temporal Chains is 20% slower effect expiration: 150% curse effect = 50% or 2x duration 230% curse effect = 66% or 3x duration 275% curse effect = 75% of 4x duration (this is the cap) Let me know if you guys think of any other cool applications of this combo, with the new eldritch influence, trickster and uniques since self curse left the meta there could be some seriously cool possibilities.
@@Dargor_ I don't think you even have enough points for 20 masteries even if it wasn't unique masteries to be honest. I specced a Trickster where I almost never duplicated mastery types and don't have cluster jewels. Only managed to get to 12.
@@garhong9125 if you completely disregard everything that makes a build you can get exactly 22 unique masteries with 123 points, thats 69% (nice) more damage with polymath, ofc that is about as useful as drawing a face in your passive tree
Give them like 2-3 leagues to fully establish their website and it be gucci, i appreciate those guys, yet POE Builds are on another level to any other game. (as long as you want to give in depht views)
really enjoy this kinda video with tech ideas for builds also, seen the suggestion that mirrorated -reduced curse effect rings could be used for selfcurse, though obv it has a downside still something like 60%+ curse effect on you should be possible per ring, pretty juicy since it lets you get more mileage out of your rings
I actually thought of this archetype when I was running my first few TempChain curse maps. It will be really interesting to see what kind of builds emerge from the new Trickster shenanigans.
Here I was planning a self-curse winter orb trickster yesterday and Grimro uploads this video right after. Good to know I'm not the only one who thinks this might be a good build. :)
Oh man... playing Trickster as a second build will feel so good! Mabye not the best Ascendency for a starter, but oh boy... what a great late game Ascendency! So much freedom!
Would be interesting to see a chains of emancipation build where you use temporal chains to map and then pop a curse immunity flask for the boss to give yourself max rage and burn through your buffs.
I've always wanted to play winter orb but never got to when it was strong and it didn't seem too appealing the past few leagues. However this gives me hope. Thanks Grim! Before this I was maybe planning to go ssf now I'm not so sure (haven't even settled on my league start yet). One other thing: "The Life Thief" which is a card for Zerphi's Heart drops in Crimson temple. So either Zerphi's is expensive and Crimson Temple got even more valuable cards or it's not too expensive because of how many cards will be on the market from Apothecary farming byproducts.
When it was strong it was really good, I was there and boy was it fun, just zooming around while the orb did all the work. Glad I league started with it back during its release.
I played it last league, granted it was a Omni Scion version, but Winter Orb is still a really powerful skill even though it's not as OP as it was back when it came out. If you get Awakened GMP and use Herald of Ice it has pretty insane clear.
Glad to hear the skill is somewhat playable still. My concern is not necessarily the damage, more the "feeling" of the skill. With the tech grim pointed out, I think winter orb could feel a lot better for mapping. We'll see. Not too much longer now.
@@xXVintersorgXx true. But it would be my first time playing SSF and I think I would be much more confortable playing something like a chaos dot build for ssf mapping and maybe making a shield crush slayer as a bosser. On the other hand I like the new trickster rework and on trade you could play trickster with 4 ascendancy nodes + another from forbidden flame / flesh (maybe something from assassin or go all in on trickster with escape artist, spellbreaker, soul drinker, polymath and one step ahead). I'm not 100% sure either way yet, waiting for the challenge rewards announcement and if it's something super cool I'll probably go trade league otherwise ssf is still on the table.
Winter orb had most of its power moved to "100% more frequency while channeling" so more charge duration does not help much in this case, you still have to be stationary do deal good damage which sucks on bosses. Clearing screens has never been winter orb's problem so running around doing 2-3x damage to trash mobs that would get insta deleted anyway makes no difference. Maybe this is worth it for BV though.
Giga Brain Edit: This might be pretty detrimental after lookin into things like mitigating map curses and various other curses you will get. Not many ways to reduce that. Likely not good to stack vulnerability and the like
How do you see your corrupting fever build performing this patch? There was no changes at all right? I want to finally play it after watching your videos about it for a number of leagues lol
I am starting poison BV with self curse using rotblood. Temp chains will make my BV last longer, give extra defense layer, and increase the duration of poisons on cursed enemies.
I believe the true mapper this league will be the Saqawal Tornado as they added another 10% reduce duration on the gear. This is more than huge... you should definitely check out a saqawal tornado build.
i looked into this and it's really not as insane as you might think, the build used to get 25% reduced duration from awakened swift affliction support, now it gives 25% less which is way worse since reduced stacks additively in this case, so the buffed 15% doesnt even bring the build back to the same proc rate as when it was at it's strongest state, and even then it was relatively weak because of how many slots are mandatory uniques that basically give you no damage scaling or survivability
@@boocha9959 Hence me saying "boot swap". You put the boots on, proc temp chains while you're stationary, take the boots off and put on your real boots, keeping the charges. If you move whilst not wearing the ralakesh boots, you don't lose thye charges.
Isnt the selfcurse temp chain good with Hatefore? as u used to curse urself with temp chain to gain rage? Maby you can try make a new hateforge build as its now back in 3.19
Are you going to release a build of this? I've always wanted to play Winter Orb again since its released version but I'm not good enough to make builds that can survive past T15 content. My builds always fall off around that tier.
Might aswell use the belt that gives u souleater during flask effect and the are flasks already 1mim long and with the curse effect and some nodes on the tree u can maybe have 5min flasks duration xD thats alot of souleater buffs!
So how exactly is your action speed calculated with this ascendancy point? I thought it would take the net action speed from all factors and only apply the 108% if your net was below 108%. Which would mean at ~150% action speed a level 20 temporal would lower it to ~108. To gain any benefit from action speed you'd have to be above that point, and if you are above that point then the ascendancy does nothing. Am I completely wrong? :)
you are not wrong the whole point of the action speed thing is so you can ramp up with other buffs, back in the day with headhunter, until you got enough random buffs that increase your speed past that point. Thing is ... you dont want to enter a map with 300% slow on you and barely move at all until you got the buffs needed to actually give you any speed again
Your action speed is atleast 108%. So it helps with anything below 108%. But yes, above 108, the ascendancy does nothing. Its mainly there to provide a permanent 108% actionspeed buff that can't be changed by any debuff like temp chains or chill. If your stacking action speed though, this is probably not the way to go for that char.
Yes, but the only ways to get action speed really are eldritch boots, tailwind, acceleration shrine, and self chill. If you're not doing any of these you're golden
@@KiWeWi I thought action speed affected movement, attack and cast speeds though? The way I read it is having 150% move speed before applying temporal would bring you down to 108 movement speed with or without the ascendancy point.
@@bloggersniffle5358 action speed is multiplicative with % increased ms. So if you have 10 base, 150% ms, and 108% action speed, you end up with 10*2.5*1.08 = 27ms. If you have 150% action speed instead, you'd have 37.5 ms. But then you lose that and go back to 108% action, you don't go below 27. As the action speed and %increased speed are calculated in different steps as long as you wouldn't otherwise have more than 108% action speed nothing changes about your movement. Overall the ascendancy point makes tailwind etc worse on tricksters, but doesn't change the effectiveness of % increases when at the new 108% minimum
One thing to keep in mind, you can craft -25% Curse effect on you from the Bench on a Ring. With the Kalandra league mechanic you can get this inverted to +X% Curse Effect (however high this scales with high end Kalandra) and this counts as a "Downside". So essentially, you have an Item where you WANT to hit a specific downside making it far superior to anything else you can throw into the league mechanic.
trying out self curse with forbidden rite. even with no investment into curse effect it feels very powerful. the one problem I'm having is mana cost. i've gotten the skill cost down to 45 but its impossible to sustain so far when i'm casting 9/sec wiith only 50 souls. anyone have ideas?
How does temp chains work with the fulcrum? If I hit a hydro sphere with a 3s freeze then have like x8 duration from glacial hammer and stuff can i get 26s freeze /0.25 for a 104s freeze. Does fulcrum reflect that duration or the base of 26s? cause it would turn 104s freeze into 416s then with lethe shade 832s? After you get the 14m freeze just weapon swap off fulcrum. Can you take off the gloves after you get the buff?
Grim I mixed most of what you caught on with this video with a build I made in the past, would u care to comment on? What do you think about mixing all that with queens hunger and leash of oblation? I can't build well but I like to go crazy on ideas.
with a blasphemy supp lvl20/20 + arrogance lvl20/20 in the shackles and 20% life reservation mastery you also gain a total of 44% increased curse effect for your TC while reserving 51% of life = perfect for pain attunement... i just havent tested yet if the reflect will apply on you this way EDIT: imagine this with a decent rolled Ashes of the stars lol
self-curse with triple inspired learnings is the highlight of poe.. all you would see in your screen is the boot of your character because it was so massive because of all the hh buffs
The first nerf was: Gaining Hexproof from rare monsters would remove any curse affecting you. The second nerf (after players realized occultists’ ability to bypass hexproof on enemies also worked on hexproof players) was removing this interaction. Temporal Chains still applies to Headhunter buffs, but gaining the Hexer Archnemesis modifier will remove any curses affecting you.
@@lochlanhart8755 exactly which includes the Temporal Chains, unless that specific interaction gets changed then I don't see how an action speed node has any affect on temp chains affecting HH buffs positively
@@Xsia1 Then this is a baited title for the sake of metrics and views because no one played self curse for WORB, they did it for 2 minute HH buffs. Also the video talking about mostly anything other than HH buffs.
Dialla's malefaction is a very interesting body to check out if you wana stack quality on specific skills. +2 levels for gems in a red socket and 30% qual for gems in a green socket. Now imagine you main skill being in a green getting +30% qual and then woke enhance in a red socket for +2 levels. This is possible since the body ignores socket color restrictions. 23% gem 30% ashes 30% body 48% lv 5 enhance in a red socket or 56% if the body is corrupted with +1 sockets. Could potentially get up to a lvl8 woke enhance getting you 72% quality from 1 support if double corrupted with +1 all +2 supports
Not really useful for this use case though, you have to socket the curse into your gloves. It’s fine for the main skill, but that applies to every build
I just want to play trickster anyways, small buff to the skill itself, shock buff and maybe buffed Arctic armour to face tank some bosses? I don't really have the time and knowledge for a good pob. Just some ideas on my mind I like to try out
Very intriguing and promising. I'd, however, prefer if the Trickster itself ends up being the new go-to self curse ascendancy, instead of just being a source for the One Step Ahead node for the Assassin.
@@cauthrim4298 Yeah. It also depends if people even "rediscover" the self curse archetype any time soon, especially since the Trickster was so bad for so long, it might take a league or two for this whole thing to take off.
Ohh actually big true the forbidden flesh and flame exist :') That can be pretty sick with the Polymath as well I reckon. What if you have this insane build idea that can actually utilize like 10-12 different masteries but it won't work with trickster for insert reason (shit damage) why it wouldn't work. At the cost of 2 jewel slots, and probably a load of currency to be fair but pricechecking is a nightmare atm with the divine orb crisis, the build still gets off the ground as intended. That's pretty insane actually.
Interesting, however you then cannot take any "reduced curse effect" on your character or curse immunity and are more vulnerable to all other curses, which can be brute forced with gear I guess but ... that's also something to take into account. I've been more looking in how Polymath can be used efficiently by scaling normally hard to scale damage (such as double dipping with poison ? or RF / DO ? DO kind of feels bad on trickster though ....)
@@rb9720 Right, but I was wondering if Temporal chains lowers your Base Value since it reduced Action Speed and not Speed increases like Hinder does. Effectively lowering the floor.
@@kyle9401 well wait, if it lowers your BASE, then wouldn't your speed still drop? The only thing that One Step Ahead does is make you immune to Freeze/Stun right? Or am I cooked??
@@madshader Yep you are. Temporal chains just reduces your action speed, not the base. Also One step ahead doesnt make you immune to stun, just Freeze/Chill/Tempchains.
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The base self curse of Temporal Chains is 20% slower effect expiration:
150% curse effect = 50% or 2x duration
230% curse effect = 66% or 3x duration
275% curse effect = 75% of 4x duration (this is the cap)
Let me know if you guys think of any other cool applications of this combo, with the new eldritch influence, trickster and uniques since self curse left the meta there could be some seriously cool possibilities.
How do you curse yourself on this setup?
soulthirst ? its kinda broken with winter orb
This league is going to be so fun.
@@muhammedadel9673 Shackles of the wretched with curse on hit and a herald.
@@muhammedadel9673 look to 1:45
There is also eldritch implicit on helmets for up to 36% increased temp chains curse effect
This sounds like a great second build… would love to see this fleshed out in week 2
The more I think about it, the more I realize Trickster is mostly there to steal good passives with forbidden flame jewels for Assassin.
You can also play blade trap poison on it and get like 60 more damage from 20 masteries
@@Akyllite 20 unique masteries ? what''s your tree x)?
@@Dargor_ I don't think you even have enough points for 20 masteries even if it wasn't unique masteries to be honest. I specced a Trickster where I almost never duplicated mastery types and don't have cluster jewels. Only managed to get to 12.
@@Akyllite most I can get is 12 unique with a decent tree
@@garhong9125 if you completely disregard everything that makes a build you can get exactly 22 unique masteries with 123 points, thats 69% (nice) more damage with polymath, ofc that is about as useful as drawing a face in your passive tree
*Every time I think I have a cool idea*
Grim: YOO WHAT'S UP GUYS, we can do this >:)
Its nice when people share things like this and dont just hoard it for themselves.
Grimro is a beacon of knowledge. It's crazy how much he gives us for completely free.
Definitely :) although I think captainlance talked about the idea quite a while ago too, so he’s not the only one ;)
Excited to see maxroll launch. Hopefully it leads the way in standardizing more accessible guides - and you're the best fit
Give them like 2-3 leagues to fully establish their website and it be gucci, i appreciate those guys, yet POE Builds are on another level to any other game. (as long as you want to give in depht views)
It launched yesterday.
really enjoy this kinda video with tech ideas for builds
also, seen the suggestion that mirrorated -reduced curse effect rings could be used for selfcurse, though obv it has a downside
still something like 60%+ curse effect on you should be possible per ring, pretty juicy since it lets you get more mileage out of your rings
Look at this cool Trickster Tech
Specs into Assassin: Hey wait a second!
I actually thought of this archetype when I was running my first few TempChain curse maps. It will be really interesting to see what kind of builds emerge from the new Trickster shenanigans.
Ah yes, the self curse zerphis heart is getting some attention. I remember that amulet costing about 280 exalts back in Incursion league.
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Weirdly enough that is pretty cheap these days 😂
Izs gona cost 200 divines now
@@Skaatje not really
@@Jc-go3mz with 10-20c exalts it is.
Here I was planning a self-curse winter orb trickster yesterday and Grimro uploads this video right after. Good to know I'm not the only one who thinks this might be a good build. :)
yo man do you have the pob or guide league starter for that build?
pob?
these forbidden jewels are going to range from 100-150 divines first week. thanks Grim 👍
I would love a perma winter orb character, trickster would work with that very good I guess. omg the forbidden flesh will be expensive....
Oh man... playing Trickster as a second build will feel so good! Mabye not the best Ascendency for a starter, but oh boy... what a great late game Ascendency! So much freedom!
Would be interesting to see a chains of emancipation build where you use temporal chains to map and then pop a curse immunity flask for the boss to give yourself max rage and burn through your buffs.
I've always wanted to play winter orb but never got to when it was strong and it didn't seem too appealing the past few leagues. However this gives me hope. Thanks Grim!
Before this I was maybe planning to go ssf now I'm not so sure (haven't even settled on my league start yet).
One other thing: "The Life Thief" which is a card for Zerphi's Heart drops in Crimson temple. So either Zerphi's is expensive and Crimson Temple got even more valuable cards or it's not too expensive because of how many cards will be on the market from Apothecary farming byproducts.
When it was strong it was really good, I was there and boy was it fun, just zooming around while the orb did all the work. Glad I league started with it back during its release.
I played it last league, granted it was a Omni Scion version, but Winter Orb is still a really powerful skill even though it's not as OP as it was back when it came out. If you get Awakened GMP and use Herald of Ice it has pretty insane clear.
Glad to hear the skill is somewhat playable still. My concern is not necessarily the damage, more the "feeling" of the skill. With the tech grim pointed out, I think winter orb could feel a lot better for mapping. We'll see. Not too much longer now.
Only really needing the gloves to enable this might make it feasible to play this in SSF
@@xXVintersorgXx true. But it would be my first time playing SSF and I think I would be much more confortable playing something like a chaos dot build for ssf mapping and maybe making a shield crush slayer as a bosser. On the other hand I like the new trickster rework and on trade you could play trickster with 4 ascendancy nodes + another from forbidden flame / flesh (maybe something from assassin or go all in on trickster with escape artist, spellbreaker, soul drinker, polymath and one step ahead). I'm not 100% sure either way yet, waiting for the challenge rewards announcement and if it's something super cool I'll probably go trade league otherwise ssf is still on the table.
Winter orb had most of its power moved to "100% more frequency while channeling" so more charge duration does not help much in this case, you still have to be stationary do deal good damage which sucks on bosses. Clearing screens has never been winter orb's problem so running around doing 2-3x damage to trash mobs that would get insta deleted anyway makes no difference. Maybe this is worth it for BV though.
Does Soul Ascension overwrite the the instant loss of souls from soul eater? If yes it could be insane with zephris heart right.
craft '25% reduced Effect of Curses on you' on ring, catalyst to 30, flip it (reflect) to 60% increased Effect of Curses on you.
Giga Brain
Edit: This might be pretty detrimental after lookin into things like mitigating map curses and various other curses you will get. Not many ways to reduce that.
Likely not good to stack vulnerability and the like
WinterOrb Soulthirst?
Hey grim, what do you think of soulthirst self curse trickster? We could get the stack time up incredibly high
Will you be doing CF build from yesterday's stream on twitch? Looks like a great starter. Please reply. :)
How do you see your corrupting fever build performing this patch? There was no changes at all right? I want to finally play it after watching your videos about it for a number of leagues lol
Biggest changes would be the loss of 15% mana reserv mastery and nerf to spell suppression on gear.
I am starting poison BV with self curse using rotblood. Temp chains will make my BV last longer, give extra defense layer, and increase the duration of poisons on cursed enemies.
If you are cursed with temp chains but have one step ahead and you activated a quicksilver for example, would your movement speed go above 108%?
Yes. Action speed and movement speed are not the same. Action speed is multiplicative with all Action (attack, cast move etc).
The trickster " one step ahead " ascendency point prevents you from going below 108% action speed, so it definetly can go up
@@Sunkan2000 That clears it up, thanks!
I believe the true mapper this league will be the Saqawal Tornado as they added another 10% reduce duration on the gear. This is more than huge... you should definitely check out a saqawal tornado build.
The tricky part of saqawal will be the lack of divines to hit breakpoints on gear. That said, if few people play it that won't be a problem 😁
i looked into this and it's really not as insane as you might think, the build used to get 25% reduced duration from awakened swift affliction support, now it gives 25% less which is way worse since reduced stacks additively in this case, so the buffed 15% doesnt even bring the build back to the same proc rate as when it was at it's strongest state, and even then it was relatively weak because of how many slots are mandatory uniques that basically give you no damage scaling or survivability
What are your thoughts on pairing this with Wardloop Voltaxic Burst?
Very good info but that's the real highlight of this vid
3:52
Any chance on written guide?
Noooooooo, I wanted mirrored increased curse effect on yourself rings to stay under the radar :(
it also stacks with 200% charge duration, boom
boot swap ralakesh boots for max charges that will last forever
@@Xsia1 You lose them all when you move. They are permanent due to the wording of the boots from the start....but only if you are stationary.
@@boocha9959 Hence me saying "boot swap". You put the boots on, proc temp chains while you're stationary, take the boots off and put on your real boots, keeping the charges. If you move whilst not wearing the ralakesh boots, you don't lose thye charges.
@@Xsia1 Ahhh I didn't know that was the case. Good to know.
Isnt the selfcurse temp chain good with Hatefore? as u used to curse urself with temp chain to gain rage? Maby you can try make a new hateforge build as its now back in 3.19
Replica Rumi's Concoction lasts 0.60 Seconds, with temp chains it can be usefull. AND no debuff from petrification
man I wish, even 4x the duration is too short on Replica Rumi's
@@Topaz723 use when charges reach full while mapping should still be 100% uptime in juiced maps
Are you going to release a build of this? I've always wanted to play Winter Orb again since its released version but I'm not good enough to make builds that can survive past T15 content. My builds always fall off around that tier.
You had me at winter orb trickster
Bout god damn time this is back on the menu
Might aswell use the belt that gives u souleater during flask effect and the are flasks already 1mim long and with the curse effect and some nodes on the tree u can maybe have 5min flasks duration xD thats alot of souleater buffs!
Could you help me with a PoB for this?
O need a starter pob too
So how exactly is your action speed calculated with this ascendancy point? I thought it would take the net action speed from all factors and only apply the 108% if your net was below 108%. Which would mean at ~150% action speed a level 20 temporal would lower it to ~108. To gain any benefit from action speed you'd have to be above that point, and if you are above that point then the ascendancy does nothing. Am I completely wrong? :)
you are not wrong the whole point of the action speed thing is so you can ramp up with other buffs, back in the day with headhunter, until you got enough random buffs that increase your speed past that point. Thing is ... you dont want to enter a map with 300% slow on you and barely move at all until you got the buffs needed to actually give you any speed again
Your action speed is atleast 108%. So it helps with anything below 108%. But yes, above 108, the ascendancy does nothing. Its mainly there to provide a permanent 108% actionspeed buff that can't be changed by any debuff like temp chains or chill. If your stacking action speed though, this is probably not the way to go for that char.
Yes, but the only ways to get action speed really are eldritch boots, tailwind, acceleration shrine, and self chill. If you're not doing any of these you're golden
@@KiWeWi I thought action speed affected movement, attack and cast speeds though? The way I read it is having 150% move speed before applying temporal would bring you down to 108 movement speed with or without the ascendancy point.
@@bloggersniffle5358 action speed is multiplicative with % increased ms. So if you have 10 base, 150% ms, and 108% action speed, you end up with 10*2.5*1.08 = 27ms. If you have 150% action speed instead, you'd have 37.5 ms. But then you lose that and go back to 108% action, you don't go below 27.
As the action speed and %increased speed are calculated in different steps as long as you wouldn't otherwise have more than 108% action speed nothing changes about your movement.
Overall the ascendancy point makes tailwind etc worse on tricksters, but doesn't change the effectiveness of % increases when at the new 108% minimum
If self curse tempchains works on flask, maybe Soulthirst will be the better option? flasks can last way longer then Zerphi's Heart
I think so too, way better option, and considering the league mechanics, amulets slot can have some beefy rare mods on it
@@VoidWalkerX Great point! I’m thinking maybe a Simplex amulet with 100%+ crit multi could be possible
Very very nice indeed
yo where do you live i also want to have 12C outside
Boneshatter, phys taken as elemental, mantra of flames, melding…. trickster?
Also you can add death rush for long adrenaline boost
Would this affect the duration of Voltaic Burst? If so I might play around with that.
Hm, does kills from vaal breach count for soul eater stacks?, I wonder if that could go well with Zerphi's Heart if so.
Yes it counts
One thing to keep in mind, you can craft -25% Curse effect on you from the Bench on a Ring. With the Kalandra league mechanic you can get this inverted to +X% Curse Effect (however high this scales with high end Kalandra) and this counts as a "Downside". So essentially, you have an Item where you WANT to hit a specific downside making it far superior to anything else you can throw into the league mechanic.
if i remember correctly from the trailer kalandra mirror ignores crafted mods
@@efreitorhabibulin238 Went back to announcement - at 6:30 it clearly affected the crafted mod.
@@cauthrim4298 oh shit, you are right, damn...
was considering WO as a starter, now that sounds even better, i need a guide for something :D
What about diallas malediction?
You could use that body armour to increase the gemlevel and quality of the gems to boost the curse effect early on
Temp chains has to be on the gloves (or ring if using rotblood). You can use ashes but not diallas
Could you please make a pob for this build? I would love to try it out!
Shrine buffs all the time forever
I'm league starting BV so this could be a cool thing to go into later
Self curse self poison with old explode chest and unnerfed vast power. Holy fuck what a fucking build
Always looking for a shortcut.
trying out self curse with forbidden rite. even with no investment into curse effect it feels very powerful. the one problem I'm having is mana cost. i've gotten the skill cost down to 45 but its impossible to sustain so far when i'm casting 9/sec wiith only 50 souls. anyone have ideas?
Soulthirst has entered the chat
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Was my planned league starter lol
Soul thirst and badge on an assassin with those forbidden jewels? To POB I go...
Soul thirst and some inspired learnings 😳
self curse and Soulthirst goes hand in hand.. Come on Grimro :) nice to see u on maxroll..
E.g th-cam.com/video/-3US7eLCUdg/w-d-xo.html
ok but how does this help my 5th curropted fever build league starter?
real power is in doing the same thing but with assassin using forbidden flesh as trickstar basicly still has nothing else to offer
How does temp chains work with the fulcrum? If I hit a hydro sphere with a 3s freeze then have like x8 duration from glacial hammer and stuff can i get 26s freeze /0.25 for a 104s freeze. Does fulcrum reflect that duration or the base of 26s? cause it would turn 104s freeze into 416s then with lethe shade 832s? After you get the 14m freeze just weapon swap off fulcrum. Can you take off the gloves after you get the buff?
Ok I love some of those crazy options overall hahaha. ESPECIALY seeing some wild soul eateringnim sure lol
Grim I mixed most of what you caught on with this video with a build I made in the past, would u care to comment on? What do you think about mixing all that with queens hunger and leash of oblation? I can't build well but I like to go crazy on ideas.
What about extend that dmg immunity of that armour i cant remember the name? 🤔
make a winter orb build i wanna try this skill so much but wasnt ever able to make it work
Zerphi's Heart + Vaal Lockout Sextant + Self Curse = Gonna be a fun one
What happens when you use a Vaal skill in the souleater window? Does it refresh the duration?
@@Pharmacopium If it works like Soulthirst, it shouldn't.
@@Pharmacopium Nah Souleater cant be gained again aslong as you have Souleater.
with a blasphemy supp lvl20/20 + arrogance lvl20/20 in the shackles and 20% life reservation mastery you also gain a total of 44% increased curse effect for your TC while reserving 51% of life = perfect for pain attunement... i just havent tested yet if the reflect will apply on you this way
EDIT: imagine this with a decent rolled Ashes of the stars lol
blasphemy doesn't reflect curse
@@Joeylt14 yea i tested it... its sad tbh
So could this mean a permanent 40% less damage taken with heartstopper?
Does temp chains affect that buff too?! You would only need 150% curse effect for a permanent heartstopper!
RF no self damage?
Winter orb + bitterdream maybe?
Maybe I’m confused. Do your movement speed boots change your base movement speed?
Yes, because movement speed is different from action speed. But your action speed is a multiplier with that.
Trauma stacks from Boneshatter maybe?
There goes my boneshatter jugger self curse temporal chains.
I would like to just see a swing at a pob tree for this.
Good video!
Winter orb and BV is the best's options to play self curse?
Those are just the ones I came up with!
Whats ur starter grimmy? I still dont have a starter i know theres 181128 out there but gimme my grimmy starter
Nice theory and all but what is the point of doing this given that we still have the hexproof mod problem?
Not everything has to be about HH.
It's not a theory. It's a resurrection of an old build but on a trickster and with a boot full of extra mods that you didn't have before.
Man this is a cool idea. Have never run self-curse before, sounds like fun.
self-curse with triple inspired learnings is the highlight of poe.. all you would see in your screen is the boot of your character because it was so massive because of all the hh buffs
doesnt jugernaut has something like that too with you cant be slowed below 100% base ms? but hey its jugg jugg lacks dmg^^
Jug side of tree sucks
Love you Grimro!
I thought the OG nerf to self curse was that the duration tag from HH buffs is not affected by temporal chains? Meaning this is still a problem
The first nerf was: Gaining Hexproof from rare monsters would remove any curse affecting you.
The second nerf (after players realized occultists’ ability to bypass hexproof on enemies also worked on hexproof players) was removing this interaction.
Temporal Chains still applies to Headhunter buffs, but gaining the Hexer Archnemesis modifier will remove any curses affecting you.
@@lochlanhart8755 exactly which includes the Temporal Chains, unless that specific interaction gets changed then I don't see how an action speed node has any affect on temp chains affecting HH buffs positively
@@fredmiller906 it doesn’t. it’s not self curse HH. it’s just self curse worb, ideally with soul water.
@@Xsia1 Then this is a baited title for the sake of metrics and views because no one played self curse for WORB, they did it for 2 minute HH buffs. Also the video talking about mostly anything other than HH buffs.
@@fredmiller906 yea no shit it's a clickbait title it's youtube
Dialla's malefaction is a very interesting body to check out if you wana stack quality on specific skills. +2 levels for gems in a red socket and 30% qual for gems in a green socket. Now imagine you main skill being in a green getting +30% qual and then woke enhance in a red socket for +2 levels. This is possible since the body ignores socket color restrictions.
23% gem
30% ashes
30% body
48% lv 5 enhance in a red socket or 56% if the body is corrupted with +1 sockets. Could potentially get up to a lvl8 woke enhance getting you 72% quality from 1 support if double corrupted with +1 all +2 supports
Not really useful for this use case though, you have to socket the curse into your gloves. It’s fine for the main skill, but that applies to every build
I'll definitely start as a trickster. I want to go for crackling lance, but temp chains seems like a very nice respec :)
Nice! I was thinking of the same starter! I haven't touched crackling before. Do you have any tips/what kind of damage is best to prioritize for it?
@@Quackmandan I haven't really played it either. I don't mind having a bad league start :)
That's my planned 2nd character. I think it could be a good bosser.
I just want to play trickster anyways, small buff to the skill itself, shock buff and maybe buffed Arctic armour to face tank some bosses? I don't really have the time and knowledge for a good pob. Just some ideas on my mind I like to try out
action speed will be 108? and what happens if i add 10% inc cast speed on top of the temporal chains? will it be 118 or still 108?
just means your new baseline is 108% instead of 100% and you cannot be slowed beyond that by chill or something
Hi! So y can use two Warden´s Brands with no downside? Abyssus + facebreakers + Perforate go?
No, attack speed still affects you, just not slows
Grimro does this work with the stacks of boneshatter ?
I imagine it would yes!
Yes Boneshatter stacks are considered Buffs.
❤️ for clearing this up i think i want to try a es boneshatter leech build but getting the stacks up was my Problem
Are there any good stackable buffs that you could abuse with Mantra of Flames? (Add x fire damage to spells/attacks per buff on you)
soul eater
Perhaps boneshatter with the full phys taken as ele convert and Graven's Secret belt, captianlance had an interesting build on that tech
Actually nuts thinking of stealing this trickster node for assassin you all are just nuts and I love it hah
How do you curse yourself with temp chains?
With the gloves @1:45
what problem with his tongue?
ON Baeclast: I'm not a really good POE builder. I don't really do POE builds.
First video I see pop up: POE build advice
Perfect. No notes.
Would this slow the rate of rage loss during berserk?
Yes. I would go all in on this if divergent berserk and chainbreaker were usable, but you have to use the shackles instead of the new gloves.
if tricksters heartstopper also works with temp chains you just turn into a gigachad >.
We all know if grimro says something is broken, it's broken.
Thanks for a nice vid grim
I absolutely love Soul Eater
I hope they won't nerf it
Very intriguing and promising. I'd, however, prefer if the Trickster itself ends up being the new go-to self curse ascendancy, instead of just being a source for the One Step Ahead node for the Assassin.
Well, there is only so much forbidden jewels on the market and the build itself does not sound all that expensive, so there is hope.
@@cauthrim4298 Yeah. It also depends if people even "rediscover" the self curse archetype any time soon, especially since the Trickster was so bad for so long, it might take a league or two for this whole thing to take off.
Ohh actually big true the forbidden flesh and flame exist :') That can be pretty sick with the Polymath as well I reckon. What if you have this insane build idea that can actually utilize like 10-12 different masteries but it won't work with trickster for insert reason (shit damage) why it wouldn't work. At the cost of 2 jewel slots, and probably a load of currency to be fair but pricechecking is a nightmare atm with the divine orb crisis, the build still gets off the ground as intended. That's pretty insane actually.
My boy grimro looking fine af.
Interesting, however you then cannot take any "reduced curse effect" on your character or curse immunity and are more vulnerable to all other curses, which can be brute forced with gear I guess but ... that's also something to take into account.
I've been more looking in how Polymath can be used efficiently by scaling normally hard to scale damage (such as double dipping with poison ? or RF / DO ? DO kind of feels bad on trickster though ....)
Tbh when I heard about the trickster changes and seen this I was thinking the exact same thing and kinda wanted to keep it to myself lmao
so temporal chains doesn’t lower your base action speed?
one step ahead says "your action speed is at least 108% of base value"
@@rb9720 Right, but I was wondering if Temporal chains lowers your Base Value since it reduced Action Speed and not Speed increases like Hinder does. Effectively lowering the floor.
@@madshader I mean, it does, but one step ahead makes the floor always 108% :)
@@kyle9401 well wait, if it lowers your BASE, then wouldn't your speed still drop? The only thing that One Step Ahead does is make you immune to Freeze/Stun right? Or am I cooked??
@@madshader Yep you are. Temporal chains just reduces your action speed, not the base. Also One step ahead doesnt make you immune to stun, just Freeze/Chill/Tempchains.
Need quality? Theres an armor that gives +30% quality to socketed gems
Tricksters forbidden jewels are going to be so expensive LOL
Anybody with a POB example? (Don't have time to make my own)
You could probably grab an old Ritual league self curse occultist pob and get the general idea down to convert it to 3.19