Those two koreans were talking about their strategies at first like where to build proxies and when to go, then started insulting you for the rest of the game
To be fair Saint Nate of the BCs would say the same. Never lose BCs. Teleporting BCs in and then losing them is noob play. You should fly them in to his base and then teleport out to repair them and repeat.
That was a mistake but at the end of the day both his teamates played worst then him and played as if it was 2v2 not 3v3 they should only play 2v2 if they dont want to play a 3v3 team game makes no sesne and to be rude and not come up with a plan when they clearly understood english could of easily been an easy dub if they played as a team @danielskipp1
Had a tilted teammate challenge me to a 1v1 after a team game. I beat his ass, and he flew his buildings away to drag out the game and hit me with the BM DMs. I trolled him a bit, and was telling my brother (who also plays) about it. Eventually the guy blocked me and my brother queued up. They matched the next game. My bro DT rushed him for a quick easy win. The poor guy lost his mind, went off on my brother. Then my brother hit him with "I'm Hairyscary's brother." And he shot back "Of course you are..." We laugh about it regularly to this day.
@@martinprince8253 It CAN be true if you're so unlucky you keep getting paired with people who aren't team players and super passive like in Therm's second match. You can't really "git gud" if you're handicapped by a non-functional team. Strings of bad luck happen.
Had the pleasure to get destroyed by you in one of these games! My friends and I have been inspired to do more goofy strategies, even doing the PF contain that sometimes works!
Yeah, I can't read the language but I guarantee they blamed him for the loss, even though they did very little, while Thermy was harassing the whole enemy team.
Yeah they didn't do nothin' and didn't pay enough attention to take advantage of all the attack positions Marc created. So passive. No help even with base defense. The weak players are always the complainers. In my experience on Coop, garbage players get salty because they think if you're not Carrying them you're week
It's funny how you're saying "good, very good""don't worry, my friend", all nice things yet they probably think you are screaming at them since it's in all caps 😂
In 2v2 when your teammate wants to do something unusual, you know that when you agree the whole team is behind the strat 100%. In a 3v3 both teammates realize that if they agree with the unusual strat the 3rd player may either not help, or may actively get upset and negatively impact the game. 2v2 is where it's at for this crazy stuff. When someone gets to 4v4 or above it's pretty much impossible to do crazy stuff unless you are playing with friends.
I would say on the contrary, compared to 3v3, in 4v4 people should care even less for the game or expect team play. And in 3v3... I don't think they realize what you say. It sounds like way too complicated of a thought to be it. Even so, being mindful of another player doesn't stop them from sharing their opinion, you know? It would be "I agree", "I don't", "let's not do it then".
uThermal has inspired me to play versus mode again. I tried proxying some buildings and thought I was really far behind because it failed lol. Turns out this masters player forgot to build SCVs and ran all his cyclones into a line of tanks lmao gotta love NA ladder (gonna try more goofy strats in the future). Also keep up the great content!
[ Translation Korea to english ] dondekmansur salsatequila KurakMai Start the dialogue from 13:29 i will call those three guys as Don, Sal, Mai respectively for simplication and the symbol (K) intend that the typer using korea Don : let's build immortal(K) Sal : hey g uys Mai : ok (K) Don : hola Sal : I have a very good strategy but i need your help Don : don't Sal : ok ok i make battlecruiser Don : Just don't Sal : Don't anything? Sal : I help Mai : Which position would be proper for building robotics facility? (K) Don : I think that position is fin in (K) Mai : I don't know that is it buildable terrain or not (K) Don : Just try haha (K) Mai : I'm not sure that is robotic facility not visible to enemy on this position (K) Sal : I believe in you guys Don : I think if you build robotics facility there for hiding , Immortals would be stucked(K) Don : Just do attack (K) Mai : I'll do when i gather at least two units (K) (Mai wants to defend Immortal) Mai : send the unit (K) Sal : *(sad)* Mai : Fuck, they have Phoenix (K) Sal : I distract Sal : Good (Mai wants to defend Factory) (Mai wants to defend Factory) Mai : fk noob Sal : Why? Mai : Fucking bitch (K) Sal : DON'T WORRY MY FRIEND Mai : Crazy ( K ) Sal : its ok my friend Mai : Seriously? (K) Sal : We win victor Mai : How about exit the match? (K) Don : That might be good choice (K) Mai : He act like a bitch, fuck (K) Sal : Go Don : to where? Don : (hey Mai) Help he's battlecruisers (K) (Mai wants to attack battlecruiser) Sal : GOOD VERY GOOD Mai : escape from there (K) (Mai wants to attack viking) (Mai signals to retreat!) Mai : That fucker wasting minerals, fucking bitch (K) Mai : huh fuck GG (K) Mai : He only build the battlecruiser constantly (K) Don : fuck (K) Don : Let's get out Sal : GGWP
I do like your 2v2 series a lot! next season you play I'd like to see you ask them what they want to do and then you on the fly think of the best way to enhance them. Could be risky with random team mates and if they don't talk would be cool for you to scout your own team mate and try guess what they're doing and work to support them anyway.
I'm sure the koreans say that the BC guy's grandma is a goat. To be fair the more ppl play together the more toxic they become, like league of legends 5 ppl together means they can always blame someone else for their own failures.
The funniest part is those Koreans were retarded. The terran and toss both team up on the one enemy toss player at one point: 9 Thors and 10 Pheonixes VS 12 Tempests... and they still lost their entire army lol. What's even dumber is the blue toss player saw BOTH terrans going bio ball and still went full pheonixes, cuz we all know how good those are against stimmed marines with medivacs. What's even weirder is that I think the idiot got the phoenixes to counter the enemy toss' pheonixes, but that was completely unnecessary since his ally had Thors and uthermal had BC's, both of which rape phoenixes already... so they basically had no splash except for teal's tanks but he was too stupid to ever have them sieged in proper position so they almost always suffered unfavorable losses in every engagement anyway.
2:35 correction, cannon rushes without wall can work, the goal isn't to win with the cannons, it is to get them to pull all their workers to deal with your cannons, and you ruin their economy. In 1v1 it can work quite well. A bit more dicey in team games.
Second this. They have to pull workers, and you're happily mining. Pylon and cannon build speeds are more than what workers can handle. You can cancel too. I'd say it's more effective and can win you the game if you can keep it going.
I like this, been following your channel for a long time uThermal! Reminds me of this channel called "Starcraft Troll Plays" where a SC1 veteran plays BGH and performs wacky strategies in general. "Joke strategies that actually succeed" is sorta' my thing right now in SC content.
Love you Uthermal! I am always overjoyed to watch any video you put up. You inspire me to be kind and share love and happiness with everyone I come across in my life
I still remember the buff that finally pushed the BC into viability, which was the ability to fire while moving. It's been super fun to watch them ever since.
Its sad how toxic some people are, def in 3s and 4s more than 2s because its enough they can claim credit for wins, and blame teammates for losses. One of the reason I really like PvE games now, not always but like MHW for instance, everyone is mostly nice and friendly and just want to help other people out
I found exactly the same, 2v2 is often super friendly, 3v3 and above gets progressively more hostile. This is why you shouldn't play lol. The more people on a team, the worse the team dynamics are. BAR for some reason doesn't follow that rule.
when your so good at a game and it balances out team games by giving you 2 scrubs vs a stacked team that they cant possible keep up with leaving you to carry ~
As a mainly NA player from Aus it's so exciting to see you here! My clan jk have lost to inco many times and are good friends with Agentsmith in your last video.
People who play 3v3 or 4v4 without preemates dont want the team experience. They just wont to stick too there ego trip but not be responsible for the loss ;)
Either you are a commander, whom they are going to listen (then a risky strategy is accepted), or you should rely on yourself. Babysitting a stranger for 5 minutes, while most 3v3s are decided before that time - who would agree to do this?
I have so much experience in 3v3 and 4v4 without pre-mates. If you want to win, do what your team is lacking. If your mates go aggressive you either stick to plan or take the responsibility to defend all the counter attacks, etc. Play for synergy, like provide medivacs for your Zerg mate, overseers to your Terran mate, etc. Right-click two high templars to your bio Terran mate. Cast 4 storms on opponents which will not land on your ally %90 of the time.
14:03 asian server meta confirmed boring when you solo queue 3v3 most of the time you will be third wheeling a duo rather than having 3 individual players. in 2v2 it is generally easier to identify fault making it more personable in terms of not wanting to be overbearing on teammates but still wanting results, sometimes they are uncertain of what to do or how committed you are to an attack, I find it has helped me in most games to just ping an area I want them to send their army
Please dont make fake thumbnails, A lot of the reason I click on some videos is that the thumbnail is a snapshot of the actual game and its interesting. Yet now im starting to just not click or even look at them because i know they are just fake =/
uh marc, you know you can just disable the caps lock toggle, right? if you do it right, it will still work as a hotkey in game, just not switch to all caps.
3v3 and 2v2 are very different experiences because of parties. All team game modes are full of players who are specifically avoiding 1v1 ladder and are particularly looking for diminished responsibility but this is particularly true of 3v3 and 4v4. Team games are a low stress means of winning games of sc2. So this means the level is _considerably_ lower which means Dunning Kruger applies a lot, especially when players party with a third random person. So they can be quite spiteful to the third player and assume everyone else is a noob. For example they might be introducing the game to a friend and you're the person "ruining" the game and making them look bad in front of their friend. 2v2 can be incredibly shitty, Idk if you've yet met the sort of person who demands you leave at the start or they attack your units (these people are looking to 'smurf' with double income and are happy to lose the odd game where someone refuses). However as there's only one other person and you can't get matched in the same team with another party , its more often comprised of people who want their experience to be more social or might be more accepting of other people's ideas, because they don't think they're sc2 gods as they're specifically playing the mode to avoid 1v1. Btw badges in team games are kinda messed up, sometimes there are bugs where you get bronze players being matched with masters players. This isn't unbalanced, its rather that one of the two badges was either given incorrectly. I think I was in bronze 2v2 for ages and beating masters, then I got promoted straight to masters, lost 3 games and got demoted to bronze. I noted in a previous video you put some stock in masters badges but I am like best diamond in 1v1 but usually more like platinum but getting masters in 2v2 is easy for me, as long as I'm not suffering the badge bug. To get masters in team games you only have to be good at doing a 1 base build because you'll pick up a lot of free wins that way.
Why the heck does NA have a Singapore server? That's extremely far away, Korea is muuuch closer to Singapore. BTW, for those who haven't already, you can set your server preference in the options. After doing that, I get much better ping on average.
If an ally leaves the game and you dont use his base to build units, haven't you essentially lost 200 supply? Now a 3v3 game turns into 400 supply VS 600 supply.
I think for your multplayer game, 10 mines-ish would allow you to solo a bit against tempests, unless they havea obs or scan. A little less bc power but more solo power defense...
I'd love to see you try a challenge where you do 2v2, but your teammate just mines their base and feeds you the minerals and gas (or I guess your teammate leaves and you just mine it). There's a whole new world of disgusting cheeses and creative builds you could explore (inspired by that game where your partner left)
You can’t cheese with this strategy because resource sharing is locked until the first 2 minutes passed. Not saying that it’s completely useless. I did this successfully by playing Zerg to feed skytoss and mech armies.
I was playing with my dad when i pulled a similar move, lines of starports, huge economy, he literally texted me and asked me what the hell my plan was and i just said "orbital bombardment."
3v3 and 4v4 solo que is different then 2v2 because you have the possibility of getting a higher mmr then 1v1 or 2v2 by getting carried or luck. The rng attracts a different crowd and also different feel
I was told to counter carriers with thors on noob mode... Is it still thors but regular mode? I know youre supposed to target fire the carriers but still
That sounds like the worst counter ever :D Thors on the single target mode do pretty well but struggle vs Protoss ground units so you'd only make those if the opponents really only makes air units. Otherwise a pretty simple counter is playing marine tank and being a bit more aggressive :)
@@uThermal I don't know how I possibly missed this but thank you for the advice. As a lowly dad in gold with a subpar keyboard for sc2, I gotta take every strategic W I can lol
I think that if you play 2v2 and your teammate wants to do something crazy, you are kinda forced to go along because if your strategies stray too far from each other you are not gonna win. In 3v3 if one of your teammates wants crazy strategy but the other does not. You can still have a chance of wining with just a 2 of you going into the same strategy. Besides from my very little experience - 2v2 is more of a matchup where you need to be in synch with your teammate, otherwise it is easy to lose. So that mode attracts people that are more cooperative. In 3v3 and 4v4 you are more likely to get away with you strategy whichever it is, because sometimes your teammates will simply carry you. That attracts less cooperative people.
@uThermal The start of Game 2 could probably be a cool new type of content for you. Read the game and try to carry your team mates, whatever the low iq thing they get up to, just Make It Work, whatever it is. I couldn't do it, but would love seeing you do it. HARD CARRY CONTENT
I'm guessing the 3BC rush you're talking about is where your ally feeds you mins and gas? If so I could see how that would be very hard to counter if you don't scout at all. In my experience though, I have the easiest time shutting down BC play with Zerg. Corrupters are so cheap compared to BC's and as long as you're actively keeping his BC count down you just end up either forcing a tech switch or completely control the game. Toss is a close second with Voids and Tempests, depending what stage of the game you're at. dealing with mass BC as Terran is ironically the most annoying in my experience...
2v2 provides more outplay potential and it’s easier to carry one teammate rather than another two. Also easier to defend an attack from 2 rather than 3. 3v3 requires teammates to be helping and communicating constantly. For teaming up with random people, 2v2 leads to much less randomness but still a fun element of chaos 😆
3v3? Against an inCo team with gold allies? Now that's something I can relate to. 2:40 Iirc, that downwards ramp to the natural can be blocked with a single pylon on the bottom - the two torches at the bottom of the ramp make that possible. I remember doing dumb things like building my first depot there or prematurely blocking it with a scv there because of how busted that is.
3 man strats are harder since you need both people to agree and be able to pull it off. This makes agreeing harder/riskier than in 2v2. even with the same players.
I feel like 3v3s change the dynamic of how people interact with each other. Sort of a "3's a crowd" type of thing. They feel like they can just do their own thing because they have other players. 2v2 Is just more intimate and easy to understand that if you don't work with your teammate you basically lose half your efficacy. Easy human brain math.
His second game team mates were straight up brain dead, especially the toss. He saw the two terrans go bio ball, and the one toss go Phoenix so he decides to also go Phoenix despite the fact that BC and Thor already hard counter Pheonix... and then him and his buddy 2v1 their army of 9 Thors and 10 Phoenix against the enemy toss' 12 Tempests and still lost their entire army lol.
When people speak in front of you in a language they know you don't understand, you don't know what they are saying, but you kind of KNOW what they are saying.
I would love to play Battle cruisers with u. I would scout ahead with observers so you save all ur scans and focus your energy on mules. tht would be an easy win
Mr Uthermal. Teams games rank is always a bit weird. So not worries if you play with sub par peeps. Btw what times you play your time ? I would love to be carried on teams by you. Totally on board with the crazy strats😂❤
There is something funny about high rank ladder players trash talking someone who is an actual professional player just doing meme strats for fun. Little do they know, might be humbling if they realized.
I think it would be a cool challenge to have 1 or 2 bronze, silver, ect feed your fast BC's to see if you can beat 3 opponents with low level team mates donating most or all of their resources.
3v3 might be feel different because people assume their teammates are duos and going to value them less or maybe your team is duos and you are the "other guy". Either way people will trust you less in those situations. Not sure if that makes sense but I've experienced something similar in AoE2 matchmaking and LoL flex as well.
Korean.. - Banana :D - anyways you can set up google trasnlate or a trasnlate app and it can decode the langauge in real time, you cna set up a phone or camera on your screen over the shoulder, test it out and then have it cast over to a side monitor for the screen from teh phone, and it will simply be auto trasnlating, crude setup... It would would work
prediction - much better player uses the games best unit and it actually works. Don't tell pro terrans though, if they start massing BC they will never lose again.
Those two koreans were talking about their strategies at first like where to build proxies and when to go, then started insulting you for the rest of the game
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When someone refuse to speak english despite playing on NA, you know they're going to be salty.
@@朕是神 I don't think that he is playin on NA. 0:30
@@朕是神 True but also Wrong.. he stated a 250 ping on a Singapore server.
@@konkrus9543 He is 19:15
A Korean calling Thermal a "noob"- Priceless.
Tbh thermy didnt play that well on the second game. But ye i got your point :)
To be fair Saint Nate of the BCs would say the same. Never lose BCs. Teleporting BCs in and then losing them is noob play. You should fly them in to his base and then teleport out to repair them and repeat.
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That was a mistake but at the end of the day both his teamates played worst then him and played as if it was 2v2 not 3v3 they should only play 2v2 if they dont want to play a 3v3 team game makes no sesne and to be rude and not come up with a plan when they clearly understood english could of easily been an easy dub if they played as a team @danielskipp1
To be fair, uthermal did play like a bronze league noob in that second game.. 😢
3v3 and 4v4 atracks the "i do everything perfect, my team sucks" croud, same thing with League of Legends
its always true in league though 😂
Yeah my trash ladder teammates are the only reason I’m stuck in bronze. Other I'd rise like a phoenix through the ranks that’s fo sho
Had a tilted teammate challenge me to a 1v1 after a team game. I beat his ass, and he flew his buildings away to drag out the game and hit me with the BM DMs. I trolled him a bit, and was telling my brother (who also plays) about it. Eventually the guy blocked me and my brother queued up. They matched the next game. My bro DT rushed him for a quick easy win. The poor guy lost his mind, went off on my brother. Then my brother hit him with "I'm Hairyscary's brother." And he shot back "Of course you are..." We laugh about it regularly to this day.
@@martinprince8253 It CAN be true if you're so unlucky you keep getting paired with people who aren't team players and super passive like in Therm's second match. You can't really "git gud" if you're handicapped by a non-functional team. Strings of bad luck happen.
Serious Brood War vibes.
Had the pleasure to get destroyed by you in one of these games! My friends and I have been inspired to do more goofy strategies, even doing the PF contain that sometimes works!
i'm jealous, i want to get destroyed by thermy as well :(
Respect!!
@@Bortschtoh yeahhhhhhh
29:47 I don't know how accurate it is but google translate is telling me what they said here was "Eat money and get fked" lmao
it's more like "this money-hogging f*cker"
basically along the lines of "this mf is farming all game and useless"
Those Koreans were ultra toxic and extremely passive.
Having big army all the time = winning to them 😂
play broodwar, its like 10x worse
Yeah, I can't read the language but I guarantee they blamed him for the loss, even though they did very little, while Thermy was harassing the whole enemy team.
Incredibly sad that the mech guy never used his tanks and lost all of his Thors to marauders.
Yeah they didn't do nothin' and didn't pay enough attention to take advantage of all the attack positions Marc created. So passive. No help even with base defense.
The weak players are always the complainers. In my experience on Coop, garbage players get salty because they think if you're not Carrying them you're week
It's funny how you're saying "good, very good""don't worry, my friend", all nice things yet they probably think you are screaming at them since it's in all caps 😂
I haven't played for years but for some reason am still watching these SC2 videos. So fun. uThermal is the man. GEEKS UNITE
I found out a coworker still plays sc2 and he convinced me to reinstall. I might be bringing some uthermal energy to some silver league 2v2 games soon
they were talking about how you ate all the money and only made BCs
That’s hilarious because when blue left the game, you could see he had 4.5K minerals banked
In 2v2 when your teammate wants to do something unusual, you know that when you agree the whole team is behind the strat 100%. In a 3v3 both teammates realize that if they agree with the unusual strat the 3rd player may either not help, or may actively get upset and negatively impact the game. 2v2 is where it's at for this crazy stuff.
When someone gets to 4v4 or above it's pretty much impossible to do crazy stuff unless you are playing with friends.
Good analysis.
I would say on the contrary, compared to 3v3, in 4v4 people should care even less for the game or expect team play.
And in 3v3... I don't think they realize what you say. It sounds like way too complicated of a thought to be it. Even so, being mindful of another player doesn't stop them from sharing their opinion, you know? It would be "I agree", "I don't", "let's not do it then".
uThermal has inspired me to play versus mode again. I tried proxying some buildings and thought I was really far behind because it failed lol. Turns out this masters player forgot to build SCVs and ran all his cyclones into a line of tanks lmao gotta love NA ladder (gonna try more goofy strats in the future). Also keep up the great content!
[ Translation Korea to english ]
dondekmansur
salsatequila
KurakMai
Start the dialogue from 13:29
i will call those three guys as Don, Sal, Mai respectively for simplication
and the symbol (K) intend that the typer using korea
Don : let's build immortal(K)
Sal : hey g uys
Mai : ok (K)
Don : hola
Sal : I have a very good strategy but i need your help
Don : don't
Sal : ok ok i make battlecruiser
Don : Just don't
Sal : Don't anything?
Sal : I help
Mai : Which position would be proper for building robotics facility? (K)
Don : I think that position is fin in (K)
Mai : I don't know that is it buildable terrain or not (K)
Don : Just try haha (K)
Mai : I'm not sure that is robotic facility not visible to enemy on this position (K)
Sal : I believe in you guys
Don : I think if you build robotics facility there for hiding , Immortals would be stucked(K)
Don : Just do attack (K)
Mai : I'll do when i gather at least two units (K)
(Mai wants to defend Immortal)
Mai : send the unit (K)
Sal : *(sad)*
Mai : Fuck, they have Phoenix (K)
Sal : I distract
Sal : Good
(Mai wants to defend Factory)
(Mai wants to defend Factory)
Mai : fk noob
Sal : Why?
Mai : Fucking bitch (K)
Sal : DON'T WORRY MY FRIEND
Mai : Crazy ( K )
Sal : its ok my friend
Mai : Seriously? (K)
Sal : We win victor
Mai : How about exit the match? (K)
Don : That might be good choice (K)
Mai : He act like a bitch, fuck (K)
Sal : Go
Don : to where?
Don : (hey Mai) Help he's battlecruisers (K)
(Mai wants to attack battlecruiser)
Sal : GOOD VERY GOOD
Mai : escape from there (K)
(Mai wants to attack viking)
(Mai signals to retreat!)
Mai : That fucker wasting minerals, fucking bitch (K)
Mai : huh fuck GG (K)
Mai : He only build the battlecruiser constantly (K)
Don : fuck (K)
Don : Let's get out
Sal : GGWP
아마 배틀크루저만 주구장창 가서 화가 난듯함
That was very entertaining to read 😂
thank you for translating! So they really did not like him, huh :/ man that would be so disappointing to read while playing.
at 9:45 that "wait...what the hell is this?" is THE most team 3 v 3 line I have ever heard in my life. I am dying laughing hahahahh
Man the teammates in that second game didn’t do anything most of the match lol. Just sat at home with a maxed army
I love how everyone in this episode is just like "no." 😂
"Even if this guy was Maru plus Serral plus Me plus, idk who else is good"
No, that's about all of them. You got it.
I do like your 2v2 series a lot! next season you play I'd like to see you ask them what they want to do and then you on the fly think of the best way to enhance them. Could be risky with random team mates and if they don't talk would be cool for you to scout your own team mate and try guess what they're doing and work to support them anyway.
I'm sure the koreans say that the BC guy's grandma is a goat.
To be fair the more ppl play together the more toxic they become, like league of legends 5 ppl together means they can always blame someone else for their own failures.
The funniest part is those Koreans were retarded. The terran and toss both team up on the one enemy toss player at one point: 9 Thors and 10 Pheonixes VS 12 Tempests... and they still lost their entire army lol.
What's even dumber is the blue toss player saw BOTH terrans going bio ball and still went full pheonixes, cuz we all know how good those are against stimmed marines with medivacs. What's even weirder is that I think the idiot got the phoenixes to counter the enemy toss' pheonixes, but that was completely unnecessary since his ally had Thors and uthermal had BC's, both of which rape phoenixes already... so they basically had no splash except for teal's tanks but he was too stupid to ever have them sieged in proper position so they almost always suffered unfavorable losses in every engagement anyway.
2:35 correction, cannon rushes without wall can work, the goal isn't to win with the cannons, it is to get them to pull all their workers to deal with your cannons, and you ruin their economy. In 1v1 it can work quite well. A bit more dicey in team games.
Second this. They have to pull workers, and you're happily mining. Pylon and cannon build speeds are more than what workers can handle. You can cancel too. I'd say it's more effective and can win you the game if you can keep it going.
I like this, been following your channel for a long time uThermal! Reminds me of this channel called "Starcraft Troll Plays" where a SC1 veteran plays BGH and performs wacky strategies in general. "Joke strategies that actually succeed" is sorta' my thing right now in SC content.
Love you Uthermal! I am always overjoyed to watch any video you put up. You inspire me to be kind and share love and happiness with everyone I come across in my life
Stopped watching your channel for a while but now I started up again. Loving these videos!
I still remember the buff that finally pushed the BC into viability, which was the ability to fire while moving. It's been super fun to watch them ever since.
Its sad how toxic some people are, def in 3s and 4s more than 2s because its enough they can claim credit for wins, and blame teammates for losses. One of the reason I really like PvE games now, not always but like MHW for instance, everyone is mostly nice and friendly and just want to help other people out
Do you know what's better than a few Bcs? EVEN MORE BCS!
I found exactly the same, 2v2 is often super friendly, 3v3 and above gets progressively more hostile. This is why you shouldn't play lol. The more people on a team, the worse the team dynamics are. BAR for some reason doesn't follow that rule.
Obviously pro games are kinda different from a pick up team.
when your so good at a game and it balances out team games by giving you 2 scrubs vs a stacked team that they cant possible keep up with leaving you to carry ~
Those last teammates were the only ones to work with you as a team. Great win
I love these 2v2 and 3v3 series! Have you considered playing Archon Mode with someone who's like Bronze/Silver level and seeing how you do?
As a mainly NA player from Aus it's so exciting to see you here! My clan jk have lost to inco many times and are good friends with Agentsmith in your last video.
People who play 3v3 or 4v4 without preemates dont want the team experience. They just wont to stick too there ego trip but not be responsible for the loss ;)
Either you are a commander, whom they are going to listen (then a risky strategy is accepted), or you should rely on yourself. Babysitting a stranger for 5 minutes, while most 3v3s are decided before that time - who would agree to do this?
I have so much experience in 3v3 and 4v4 without pre-mates. If you want to win, do what your team is lacking.
If your mates go aggressive you either stick to plan or take the responsibility to defend all the counter attacks, etc.
Play for synergy, like provide medivacs for your Zerg mate, overseers to your Terran mate, etc.
Right-click two high templars to your bio Terran mate. Cast 4 storms on opponents which will not land on your ally %90 of the time.
14:03 asian server meta confirmed boring
when you solo queue 3v3 most of the time you will be third wheeling a duo rather than having 3 individual players.
in 2v2 it is generally easier to identify fault making it more personable
in terms of not wanting to be overbearing on teammates but still wanting results, sometimes they are uncertain of what to do or how committed you are to an attack,
I find it has helped me in most games to just ping an area I want them to send their army
Please dont make fake thumbnails, A lot of the reason I click on some videos is that the thumbnail is a snapshot of the actual game and its interesting. Yet now im starting to just not click or even look at them because i know they are just fake =/
Agreed
Go back to Minecraft
@@BotDetector-44they're just giving valid criticism tho
"Even if this guy was Serral + Maru + me" :D
uh marc, you know you can just disable the caps lock toggle, right? if you do it right, it will still work as a hotkey in game, just not switch to all caps.
YES.... bring in discord peeps and make cool 3v3 strats
3v3 and 2v2 are very different experiences because of parties. All team game modes are full of players who are specifically avoiding 1v1 ladder and are particularly looking for diminished responsibility but this is particularly true of 3v3 and 4v4. Team games are a low stress means of winning games of sc2. So this means the level is _considerably_ lower which means Dunning Kruger applies a lot, especially when players party with a third random person. So they can be quite spiteful to the third player and assume everyone else is a noob. For example they might be introducing the game to a friend and you're the person "ruining" the game and making them look bad in front of their friend.
2v2 can be incredibly shitty, Idk if you've yet met the sort of person who demands you leave at the start or they attack your units (these people are looking to 'smurf' with double income and are happy to lose the odd game where someone refuses). However as there's only one other person and you can't get matched in the same team with another party , its more often comprised of people who want their experience to be more social or might be more accepting of other people's ideas, because they don't think they're sc2 gods as they're specifically playing the mode to avoid 1v1.
Btw badges in team games are kinda messed up, sometimes there are bugs where you get bronze players being matched with masters players. This isn't unbalanced, its rather that one of the two badges was either given incorrectly. I think I was in bronze 2v2 for ages and beating masters, then I got promoted straight to masters, lost 3 games and got demoted to bronze. I noted in a previous video you put some stock in masters badges but I am like best diamond in 1v1 but usually more like platinum but getting masters in 2v2 is easy for me, as long as I'm not suffering the badge bug. To get masters in team games you only have to be good at doing a 1 base build because you'll pick up a lot of free wins that way.
Why the heck does NA have a Singapore server? That's extremely far away, Korea is muuuch closer to Singapore.
BTW, for those who haven't already, you can set your server preference in the options. After doing that, I get much better ping on average.
If you can't communicate, usually you ping defend the unit type and the unit you want to attack. Defend - --Thor : Attack --Tempest.
I'm digging the team games man, way to keep it fresh o7
me too marc, not a camera hotkey, but the control group that relates to my dump key
If an ally leaves the game and you dont use his base to build units, haven't you essentially lost 200 supply? Now a 3v3 game turns into 400 supply VS 600 supply.
I think for your multplayer game, 10 mines-ish would allow you to solo a bit against tempests, unless they havea obs or scan. A little less bc power but more solo power defense...
never seen a European say something positive about North Americans like uthermal does lol
I'd love to see you try a challenge where you do 2v2, but your teammate just mines their base and feeds you the minerals and gas (or I guess your teammate leaves and you just mine it). There's a whole new world of disgusting cheeses and creative builds you could explore (inspired by that game where your partner left)
The old solo 4v4 16 rax build was extremely disgusting cheese. Highly recommend.
You can’t cheese with this strategy because resource sharing is locked until the first 2 minutes passed. Not saying that it’s completely useless. I did this successfully by playing Zerg to feed skytoss and mech armies.
I was playing with my dad when i pulled a similar move, lines of starports, huge economy, he literally texted me and asked me what the hell my plan was and i just said "orbital bombardment."
3v3 and 4v4 solo que is different then 2v2 because you have the possibility of getting a higher mmr then 1v1 or 2v2 by getting carried or luck. The rng attracts a different crowd and also different feel
Good to see the BC content! I prefer to fly them in and warp them out. I try not to lose one, ever.
I was told to counter carriers with thors on noob mode... Is it still thors but regular mode? I know youre supposed to target fire the carriers but still
That sounds like the worst counter ever :D Thors on the single target mode do pretty well but struggle vs Protoss ground units so you'd only make those if the opponents really only makes air units. Otherwise a pretty simple counter is playing marine tank and being a bit more aggressive :)
@@uThermal I don't know how I possibly missed this but thank you for the advice. As a lowly dad in gold with a subpar keyboard for sc2, I gotta take every strategic W I can lol
I think that if you play 2v2 and your teammate wants to do something crazy, you are kinda forced to go along because if your strategies stray too far from each other you are not gonna win. In 3v3 if one of your teammates wants crazy strategy but the other does not. You can still have a chance of wining with just a 2 of you going into the same strategy.
Besides from my very little experience - 2v2 is more of a matchup where you need to be in synch with your teammate, otherwise it is easy to lose. So that mode attracts people that are more cooperative. In 3v3 and 4v4 you are more likely to get away with you strategy whichever it is, because sometimes your teammates will simply carry you. That attracts less cooperative people.
"what the hell is this?" that was a good one :D
33:00 cat probe moment
@uThermal The start of Game 2 could probably be a cool new type of content for you. Read the game and try to carry your team mates, whatever the low iq thing they get up to, just Make It Work, whatever it is. I couldn't do it, but would love seeing you do it. HARD CARRY CONTENT
Need one of these every day
"I made my teammates go insane by just building battlecruisers"
Fixed.
In 2v2 the 3BC rush is almost unstoppable if your partner is zerg and makes fastlings
I'm guessing the 3BC rush you're talking about is where your ally feeds you mins and gas? If so I could see how that would be very hard to counter if you don't scout at all. In my experience though, I have the easiest time shutting down BC play with Zerg. Corrupters are so cheap compared to BC's and as long as you're actively keeping his BC count down you just end up either forcing a tech switch or completely control the game. Toss is a close second with Voids and Tempests, depending what stage of the game you're at. dealing with mass BC as Terran is ironically the most annoying in my experience...
2v2 provides more outplay potential and it’s easier to carry one teammate rather than another two. Also easier to defend an attack from 2 rather than 3. 3v3 requires teammates to be helping and communicating constantly.
For teaming up with random people, 2v2 leads to much less randomness but still a fun element of chaos 😆
I'm new to sc2, so the only way I can beat the harder AIs is with battlecruiser rushes like this
new to sc2 in 2024 what a time to be alive !
Glad to see new players around.
Get some of your crew to team up with for some 3v3 or 4v4.
These randos really don't seem to be into the 'team' part.
Also: we love these team games.
3v3? Against an inCo team with gold allies? Now that's something I can relate to. 2:40 Iirc, that downwards ramp to the natural can be blocked with a single pylon on the bottom - the two torches at the bottom of the ramp make that possible. I remember doing dumb things like building my first depot there or prematurely blocking it with a scv there because of how busted that is.
3 man strats are harder since you need both people to agree and be able to pull it off. This makes agreeing harder/riskier than in 2v2. even with the same players.
I feel like 3v3s change the dynamic of how people interact with each other. Sort of a "3's a crowd" type of thing. They feel like they can just do their own thing because they have other players. 2v2 Is just more intimate and easy to understand that if you don't work with your teammate you basically lose half your efficacy. Easy human brain math.
Man, that second game. Eeeeesh. Enemy team worked togeather and got upgrades. Your team did the exact opposite.
His second game team mates were straight up brain dead, especially the toss. He saw the two terrans go bio ball, and the one toss go Phoenix so he decides to also go Phoenix despite the fact that BC and Thor already hard counter Pheonix... and then him and his buddy 2v1 their army of 9 Thors and 10 Phoenix against the enemy toss' 12 Tempests and still lost their entire army lol.
Lol they were mostly just swearing about you / the game
34:28 2v2 is the same as 3v3, just faster to find the crappy people. with that said, my first 2v2 had a really toxic enemies
This trend is even more addictive than cigarettes.
Silly goose on Capitan!
When people speak in front of you in a language they know you don't understand, you don't know what they are saying, but you kind of KNOW what they are saying.
I would love to play Battle cruisers with u. I would scout ahead with observers so you save all ur scans and focus your energy on mules. tht would be an easy win
splendiddddd matches! I enjoyed the losses even more than the dubs. ggwpwp #TeamGames4Life
dude.... you left that Raven to die. Woulda just took one click to save it. Love your games anyway!
should do this challenge (3v3s in general) with fans or with friends so that they can execute a plan together (or try to)
Wow I didn't know people still played this game. I don't think I've touched it in at least 10 years.
I am Australian, I remember when 250 ping was normal, glad we have our own servers now :)
You should rename yourself to "TrustMeBro".
Mr Uthermal. Teams games rank is always a bit weird. So not worries if you play with sub par peeps.
Btw what times you play your time ? I would love to be carried on teams by you. Totally on board with the crazy strats😂❤
I think a super fast upgrade challenge would be cool
U heard it here. North America passed the vibe check ❤
I love these team games! Though i do thing 2v2 is the most interesting to watch
There is something funny about high rank ladder players trash talking someone who is an actual professional player just doing meme strats for fun. Little do they know, might be humbling if they realized.
I think it would be a cool challenge to have 1 or 2 bronze, silver, ect feed your fast BC's to see if you can beat 3 opponents with low level team mates donating most or all of their resources.
3v3 might be feel different because people assume their teammates are duos and going to value them less or maybe your team is duos and you are the "other guy". Either way people will trust you less in those situations. Not sure if that makes sense but I've experienced something similar in AoE2 matchmaking and LoL flex as well.
Looking forward to the future 4v4 to grandmasters series
I like the drama in these games it makes them more fun to watch 😈
4v4 is just 2 teams of 2 who are angry of each other and waiting for the other team to quit
Here in America we have freedom of builds. 1st Amendment to the Constructitution. 😂
This was so funny. Also a bit sad for the salty teamplayers
I love your videos! ❤
Korean.. - Banana :D - anyways you can set up google trasnlate or a trasnlate app and it can decode the langauge in real time, you cna set up a phone or camera on your screen over the shoulder, test it out and then have it cast over to a side monitor for the screen from teh phone, and it will simply be auto trasnlating, crude setup... It would would work
The redemption arc ❤
Great vid even with the losses thermy, keep it up
Nice just in time to finish my coffee
13:36 He says "Lets go to destruction"
Immortals
Maybe your translator translate 멸자 as "Destruction"
Koreans call immortal as 불멸자 , and he except the "불" from "불멸자"
4:48 they might be doing something with average MMR per team.
too busy being mad in chat to play the game, classic
prediction - much better player uses the games best unit and it actually works. Don't tell pro terrans though, if they start massing BC they will never lose again.
Protoss will have trouble with my BC. unless they make air units lol. BC hard counters protoss air.
And then he loses his BC like a noob. It's literally the easiest unit to keep alive in the game. I mean, I can do it.
21:40 We win
-Victor
love the team content
did you pick the name thermal because you make your enemies rage with heat?
I'm guessing it wasn't 3v3 crowd, just a small sample size.
At first I thought the title was just going to be starports and no units based on the thumbnail :D