I see a lot of folks commenting on the cost of these squares... Well, this is more of an artisan piece than a real "production" run. I am a guitarist; and while I can by a decent production guitar, there really is something inspiring when I play an instrument that is crafted by someone personally - rather than a large shop that can make the same thing for a fraction of the cost. I'm paying because I appreciate receiving another artists blood, sweat and talent - even if there is no measurable, or practical difference. I watch Adam simply because I enjoy his peace, patience and kind manner. I learn a lot from him. Mostly its about machining, but sometimes it's just watching him chilling out and enjoy a beer, with a steak, a sunset and his girl. This is the story about one man's life, his integrity, and how he honors his family name with every video. I wish he was teaching shop to our current generation of young men and women - what a great role model. An honest day's work and being content with however the day goes - enviable. It would be an honor to have something he made, even if it cost what his time is actually worth in a small batch run.
Those upset with you using the Sky Hook must be youngsters that haven't endured years of wear and tear on their body lift those vises and chucks by hand. I used to use a cherry picker for the chucks (most of the time) but used to manhandle the vises and wished I had the crane to make that job a whole lot easier. Good job Adam.
All I ever did in a machine shop was sweep, stamp, and clean parts, but still enjoy the videos - and have back problems - hard to work when you can stand up from a pulled back muscle, and doesn't take much!
I am a chemical engineer, and have never done anything in a machine shop. However, I love watching these videos and seeing a craftsman doing his thing. I don't get what the butt hurt comments are about, but I also don't care. Keep doing what you are doing.
Okay the sky hook I was like I just lift my vices... then I got to thinking you cleaned the bottom side without fighting it or risking hurting yourself with a twist lifting it from the cart to mill. I liked it for the large but in the mill that is just as awesome. Good job showing the safer way to get it done.
Hey Adam - You are saving your back, investing in less future pain and fewer costly medical visits and treatments EVERY TIME you use the wonderful lift. Don't sweat the macho nonsense - use the tools to keep yourself healthy and productively employed. Smart wins the day.
It’s not about machoism, it’s about the folks telling you how terrible you are for making such dangerous and ridiculous decisions on what you’re doing, and how such decisions are going to lead to damage to your machine and hurting yourself in the process. It’s about someone telling me I’m putting 30,000 lbs of force on my tool post when using it to lift my 4 jaw chuck and 8” vice, and that it’ll break my machine and drop those tools on my feet.
@@Abom79 Understandably annoying but don't let the few armchair "experts" get to you. 99.99% of us admire, appreciate, and respect everything you put on this channel. You do you and naysayers be darned :)
On the other hand, what makes any of you think Adam knows better than everyone else, and that someone else might not have something valuable to offer? What qualifies YOU to even comment? I don't condone condescending and dickish comments though.
The most amazing thing about this is the sensitivity of the human finger . You can sweep your hand across a surface to remove excess materia and still be in the 0.0000 range with just thehuman touch I have heard about the developers of robatics marvel at the sensitivity of the human hand and how hard it is to replicate it for automation.
Just used mine to set the fence on my jointer. Nice to have a heavy chunk of cast iron for the heavy fence. Well cast by Clarke and machined more accurate than I will ever need by Adam!
Adam don't worry about the jealous haters that don't approve...it's your shop and you can use it however you want or works for you!! when they get a channel and shop they can do how they think is right.
The finish of the machined ends makes the crispness of Clarke's casting truly show off. Best of cast best of machined and best of all a working tool. Keep up the great work adam. And screw the hoist haters.
There is a hundred ways but this is as good as it gets in setting up the machining process. The old brake parts cast a very high quality piece which makes the machining much easier. Well done Adam. Keep safe. Carl, Central Coast Australia.
To anyone who thinks using a tool to help lift heavy parts is wrong has never injured there back or other parts doing so. You only have one back and over time it can only do so much and the simplest thing can change your life forever. Work smarter not harder. Don't pay attention to anyone who thinks its ok to risk injury over lifting heavy parts. From: A disabled fan who wishes he could do 1/4 of the things I get to see here.
I have become so addicted to your SNS. Thank you for this video. As I watched you crank the Sky Hook, 8:15, I thought "I wonder how much the vice weighs?" Ha! Thank you Adam.
One thing I learnt as an apprentice when doing a production run was to line the parts up nice so when the boss comes past it looks like you know what you are doing. I see you went to the same school as it looks like you know what you are doing :} Nice to see some mini production work instead of endless one offs.
If you are not changing the clamping before machining the measuring faces, have you considered if the clamping on the suspended middle part will flex/pull the angle together to any measureable degree?
142 lb for the vise, wow. I thought you were just being extra cautious and the sky hook was just to make it a little bit less strenuous. Can't be moving that weight around manually without putting wear on your body. Anything to ease fatigue will make for a more enjoyable workday.
@Tony Wilson I wonder if in the end engineers will come up with stuff that's bolted/welded together to get necessary amount of rigidity to make some simple operations and build up from there, or we'll see a 10/20/however many cargo starships landed on the moon in preparation for astronauts.
@@jnimitzch4738 H3 fusion is very much a pipe dream currently. If (IF) it ever becomes viable though it would make all the iron, titanium and aluminum bearing minerals that make up the lunar rock useful, because extracting the metal from those ores is going to be extremely energy intensive.
I'm guessing there is about the same or less load in the tool post when using the crane to life a vice or a chuck vs. making a heavy cut on the lathe. I mean you'd also guess that the company that made it did a lot of testing to see what it could lift. So I don't understand why people give Adam a hard time when he's trying not to hurt himself.
Love the care you take with this work. Incidentally, love all the posts on Steve Summers latest post against being a gorilla and lifting heavy weights when a young man (bags of cement in his case). I did that as a young man, and regretted it all my later life. The old saying goes: sin in haste, regret at leisure. Goes for me about lifting heavy things. Adam you just use that sky lift, and apologize to no one.
Not sure what's going on as I only seem to get notifications for every second vid you upload. I've clicked the "all notifications". I only discovered this because I was receiving notifications of "part 2" vids without being notified of part 1. Is it only me or are other subscribers having the same issue?
@@youtubestolemyhandle1 He likes you better... *sniff sniff... whaaaaa*... I was always picked last for sports too. :) Actually this happens on YT on other channels I sub to - I don't know the rhyme or reason.
S'koshi is Japanese for "a little." No doubt it came into common usage from the countless military stationed in Japan and Okinawa over the years. Of course it came to be shortened to "skosh."
@@tomzuchowski6590 In 1961 I was mystified when older Air Force mechanics who had previously been stationed in Japan began telling me to tighten something just a skosh more.
Thanks for sharing another great video Adam. I dont know what it is with milling and the shaper but I find it kinda hypnotic to watch. Really enjoy watching you do your work and teaching all the time. Take care and keep them coming 😎
What is wrong with the way you are using your sky hook? It picks things up and puts them down so you do not have to. Looks like that is how you are using it to me.Maybe i am missing something? love the videos thanks
Why stop there? Strain gauges on each, mini pressure sensors under the web? The webs are thick enough that the pressure from that light tighten isn't going to bother them in the slightest.
As a woodworker and not a machinist, Its even obvious to me that that skyhook will never equal the pressure exerted on the tool post when Adam is making big chips. Let the man do his thing....I'm pretty sure nobody is more concerned about his machines than him lol.
Nice set-up..even if you could do two squares at a time. Love the overhang so that you could check thickness without moving the work piece. As they all say...measure twice, cut once !!
What's wrong with using the sky hook on the mill? That's what I would use it for. Sure beats having to lift a 142 pound vise up with your arms and back. I think people are just jealous of your sky hook. Haha.
I'm also confused as to why anyone would have an issue with how the sky hook is being used. I for one love it,,, my back relaxes every time I see it !!
@@Abom79 to me it would seem that the K&T mill is a piece of equipment that is made to handle a decent amount of weight on that table. I wouldn't imagine that you lifting your vise on to it would do any damage. Not to mention that the thing is only under load for like 10 to 15 seconds. No way that's gonna damage anything when the machine is designed to hold a lot more weight than that for long periods of time during machining operations.
Thanks for letting us "hang out" at your shop today Adam... And I'm really kind of disappointed 16 people within one hour gave this a thumbs down.. Why people? these are perfectly acceptable machining practices this man is using.. Sure,,, there's many other ways he could have done it .. I just don't understand... anyway great video Adam
Thunder blunder here, I’d have to say, the amount of chips flying every where must take you ages to clean down at the of the night, but have to Give it to you. Your machines are always clean as well as your workshop, I’m on catch up,
Adam, couldn’t you just clamp the castings directly to the table to save time. You could probably mill all of them in one go then use the vice to mill the 90’.
@Ronnie Wilson that is a good question. Even if he didn't have enough stops/tee-nuts/strap-clamps etc to do all thirteen at once he could probably get half of them down directly on the table. I was also thinking that the workpieces overhanging the edge of the tooling plate... on top of the vise... might have not been rigid enough. As it turns out it was fine but there was some issue with the tooling plate anyhow. A bunch of well placed workstops (bushings) and quick release lever clamps would have really sped the process up. ETA: Thought about it some more and the only real gain from fixturing directly to the table would be rigidity. Not that that is a bad thing but... unless he was doing dozens to hundreds of these squares he wouldn't save much, if any, time. Might even take a bit longer because he has to position a couple dozen stops instead of just two.
Adam has all these parts as one offs really as he has never had to set up for doing the op before. Its always a learning curve and generally on the last part of a small batch you find the better way. Give the guy a break, he does a fantastic job , and i myself have been entertained for many hrs.
The harder spots in the casting is that due to uneven cooling of the casting? I have noticed harder spots in for example mild steel that's of cheaper origin and was told its mostly due to for example manganese pockets
Once upon a time you had a old school shop there you used to fix real customers different repair and manufacturing I rather watch real old school job machining .
Let them disagree all they want. Needlessly lugging around awfully heavy (and expensive/sensitive) equipment without assistance tends to bring about a lesson or two all by itself, given time.
I know you love your KT mill and its very rigid, but, machining those on a Bridgeport would give you the reach you need to face two at a time. A bonus would be the ease of tramming the head too.
About $2 per pound for raw material, so maybe $14-16 including the sprue/scrap. Stress relief a batch, about $100 and probably 10 at a time ($10 per). The pattern probably cost about $2000 to be CNC cut. I’ll assume he wants to get his money back after 50 of these, so $40 per for the patten. Then packaging, maybe 1 in 4 is scrap or has porosity. So he’s in for $80 per to just cast a good one to cover the cost, then he’s got to make a living off this.
I think for a precision job there’s too much potential for inconsistency across the whole table. That’s why a fixture plate is useful. It’s a known dimension with very little inaccuracy across the face. The table isn’t a precision surface
@@kevincostes1 I beg to differ on the inaccuracy of a table. Production wise, the vice and fixture is easier and quicker in the initial setup and can make the job a lot quicker too.
I like to use an aluminum pallet (fixture) and skim the top surface to ensure work pieces machine flat - rather then messing around with shims. the same principle as soft jaws
@@executive I disagree :):):) Seriously, though, it's a tool he got to do what he's doing with it. What's to disagree with? I use my hammer to hit things. It's what's it for, so that's how I use it. Although, sometimes, I use it to hit my thumb.
@@rsluggy6485 for example I could tell you that you're holding the hammer like a girl. If you held it properly like this, then you wouldn't have peck at the nail like that (and maybe not hit your thumb as much).
Better to break a tool than your back ! if you were worried about damaging the machine you could make up a sub plate to spread the load over two t slots , would only take a minute longer to install but with those big old American made machines i don't think you could break them if you tried !
Adam: serious question: do you make it a point not to say "thou"? Seems like standard vernacular for most machinists. Its almost like you intentionally avoid the term. Just an observation.
Balance of time to make the shoe v's a few seconds per time. If this became a regular job week in, week out, then it would be worthwhile. For 13 squares it's going to be a total of less than 2 minutes, and Adam would take longer just putting the material in the mill, never mind indicating it...
Adam, at 26:18 you have them stacked on what I believe is your lift table. It looks like you have a T-slot surface with some kind of cloth. What is it really?
Hey Adam, not to tell you how to do your job because I’m not a machinist but why couldn’t you put four pieces with corner to corner in the center of the holding plate?
My thought is that they wouldnt be square and level in respect to their legs, like they'd be slanted or tipped due to the "bulk" machining. They'd all be square regarding the other 3, but they'd be off compared to all the other ones. Note, I only just began a machining apprenticeship and I am no expert in this, nor do i claim to be:)
It could probably work looking at it but you would end up with some weird finishes I think because I don’t think you would be able to avoid cutting two at a time sometimes, and maybe that would be too much load on the machine.. also not a machinist 😆
Adam, no criticism meant at all here, but are you considering the milling as an accurate enough finish for a machinist's square, or are they going to be surface ground as well? I ask because my school days with machine shop were mostly with high carbon tool bits. I'm guessing that the improved cutting with carbide makes the difference.
I've never used one, so I'm going to ask -- in a production run like this, could you use a toggle clamp bolted to your fixture plate, or do they not have sufficient holding power?
I see a lot of folks commenting on the cost of these squares... Well, this is more of an artisan piece than a real "production" run. I am a guitarist; and while I can by a decent production guitar, there really is something inspiring when I play an instrument that is crafted by someone personally - rather than a large shop that can make the same thing for a fraction of the cost. I'm paying because I appreciate receiving another artists blood, sweat and talent - even if there is no measurable, or practical difference. I watch Adam simply because I enjoy his peace, patience and kind manner. I learn a lot from him. Mostly its about machining, but sometimes it's just watching him chilling out and enjoy a beer, with a steak, a sunset and his girl. This is the story about one man's life, his integrity, and how he honors his family name with every video. I wish he was teaching shop to our current generation of young men and women - what a great role model. An honest day's work and being content with however the day goes - enviable. It would be an honor to have something he made, even if it cost what his time is actually worth in a small batch run.
I can understand how an "artisan" guitar might have a unique sound or feel. But this is just square. It's a tool and it has one job.
Those upset with you using the Sky Hook must be youngsters that haven't endured years of wear and tear on their body lift those vises and chucks by hand. I used to use a cherry picker for the chucks (most of the time) but used to manhandle the vises and wished I had the crane to make that job a whole lot easier. Good job Adam.
nobody was suggesting to do it manually.
All I ever did in a machine shop was sweep, stamp, and clean parts, but still enjoy the videos - and have back problems - hard to work when you can stand up from a pulled back muscle, and doesn't take much!
@@mpdavis731 I'm pretty sure the hecklers were criticizing HOW he used the skyhook. Not that he wasn't picking heavy things up with his hands.
@@executive Ah, ok - didn't know there WAS another way to use it - only one I have seen.
I am a chemical engineer, and have never done anything in a machine shop.
However, I love watching these videos and seeing a craftsman doing his thing.
I don't get what the butt hurt comments are about, but I also don't care.
Keep doing what you are doing.
Okay the sky hook I was like I just lift my vices... then I got to thinking you cleaned the bottom side without fighting it or risking hurting yourself with a twist lifting it from the cart to mill. I liked it for the large but in the mill that is just as awesome. Good job showing the safer way to get it done.
Hey Adam - You are saving your back, investing in less future pain and fewer costly medical visits and treatments EVERY TIME you use the wonderful lift. Don't sweat the macho nonsense - use the tools to keep yourself healthy and productively employed. Smart wins the day.
As does using the right tool for the right job. 🙂
It’s not about machoism, it’s about the folks telling you how terrible you are for making such dangerous and ridiculous decisions on what you’re doing, and how such decisions are going to lead to damage to your machine and hurting yourself in the process. It’s about someone telling me I’m putting 30,000 lbs of force on my tool post when using it to lift my 4 jaw chuck and 8” vice, and that it’ll break my machine and drop those tools on my feet.
@@Abom79 Understandably annoying but don't let the few armchair "experts" get to you. 99.99% of us admire, appreciate, and respect everything you put on this channel. You do you and naysayers be darned :)
@@Abom79 I would have to say that YOU know a LOT more about YOUR machines capabilities than the naysayers. Keep up the Great work please.
On the other hand, what makes any of you think Adam knows better than everyone else, and that someone else might not have something valuable to offer? What qualifies YOU to even comment? I don't condone condescending and dickish comments though.
The most amazing thing about this is the sensitivity of the human finger . You can sweep your hand across a surface to remove excess materia and still be in the 0.0000 range with just thehuman touch I have heard about the developers of robatics marvel at the sensitivity of the human hand and how hard it is to replicate it for automation.
Insane thing hominid hands. The most exquisite purpose built machines nature ever produced.
Just used mine to set the fence on my jointer. Nice to have a heavy chunk of cast iron for the heavy fence. Well cast by Clarke and machined more accurate than I will ever need by Adam!
Adam don't worry about the jealous haters that don't approve...it's your shop and you can use it however you want or works for you!! when they get a channel and shop they can do how they think is right.
The finish of the machined ends makes the crispness of Clarke's casting truly show off. Best of cast best of machined and best of all a working tool. Keep up the great work adam. And screw the hoist haters.
Always good to watch a craftsman at work.
Those are some beautiful castings and great machining.
There is a hundred ways but this is as good as it gets in setting up the machining process. The old brake parts cast a very high quality piece which makes the machining much easier. Well done Adam. Keep safe. Carl, Central Coast Australia.
To anyone who thinks using a tool to help lift heavy parts is wrong has never injured there back or other parts doing so. You only have one back and over time it can only do so much and the simplest thing can change your life forever. Work smarter not harder. Don't pay attention to anyone who thinks its ok to risk injury over lifting heavy parts. From: A disabled fan who wishes he could do 1/4 of the things I get to see here.
I have become so addicted to your SNS. Thank you for this video. As I watched you crank the Sky Hook, 8:15, I thought "I wonder how much the vice weighs?" Ha! Thank you Adam.
One thing I learnt as an apprentice when doing a production run was to line the parts up nice so when the boss comes past it looks like you know what you are doing.
I see you went to the same school as it looks like you know what you are doing :}
Nice to see some mini production work instead of endless one offs.
Being organized is the first step to precision, right?
The opening notes of the SNS theme song - music to my ears and peace in my soul! Thanks Adam!
Thanks Adam for another great one
New camera looks beautiful
Thanks 👍🏻
Yes Adam, awesome video! Thanks so much for taking the time to teach me!
If you are not changing the clamping before machining the measuring faces, have you considered if the clamping on the suspended middle part will flex/pull the angle together to any measureable degree?
Looking good. You use your tools how you want to, that skyhook personally looks like it works awesome.
Thank you Adam I always enjoy watching your videos I am from South Africa
Looks like you have a nice scraping project to get that vertical head true, so you don't have to shim it.
142 lb for the vise, wow. I thought you were just being extra cautious and the sky hook was just to make it a little bit less strenuous. Can't be moving that weight around manually without putting wear on your body. Anything to ease fatigue will make for a more enjoyable workday.
@Tony Wilson I wonder if in the end engineers will come up with stuff that's bolted/welded together to get necessary amount of rigidity to make some simple operations and build up from there, or we'll see a 10/20/however many cargo starships landed on the moon in preparation for astronauts.
@@jnimitzch4738 H3 fusion is very much a pipe dream currently. If (IF) it ever becomes viable though it would make all the iron, titanium and aluminum bearing minerals that make up the lunar rock useful, because extracting the metal from those ores is going to be extremely energy intensive.
Thats a neat way of moving those vises around, with the jaw bolt holes
So relaxing watching that cutter chug it’s way through the metal.
I have a horizontal mill and never thought to shim the head stock. Brilliant! Obvious but brilliant. Thanks.
I'm guessing there is about the same or less load in the tool post when using the crane to life a vice or a chuck vs. making a heavy cut on the lathe. I mean you'd also guess that the company that made it did a lot of testing to see what it could lift. So I don't understand why people give Adam a hard time when he's trying not to hurt himself.
Love the care you take with this work. Incidentally, love all the posts on Steve Summers latest post against being a gorilla and lifting heavy weights when a young man (bags of cement in his case). I did that as a young man, and regretted it all my later life.
The old saying goes: sin in haste, regret at leisure. Goes for me about lifting heavy things. Adam you just use that sky lift, and apologize to no one.
Very nice video picture clarity is great.
Anyone else think they look like the B-2 Stealth Bomber?
The new cutter is butter! 👍
That switch over from X > Y feed is slicker than a handful of snot!
It's Saturday night and time for Abom79!
At around 16:55 or so, that sound reminds me of an old Cat bulldozer at work. 😊
Good job Adam, catch you on part 2. 👍👍.
If I never had a plan foiled I’d never of had a plan at all. Great video nice work Adam!
Your camera is not ever in the wrong spot. At least not from my angle. It's about as good as you could get.
Adam I see you are doing more Production runs whole different ball game!
Alton Whipkey it would be awesome if Adam did multi spindle automatic screw machine work.
@@MitchellCH Running Hex Nuts 4 inch type
Alton Whipkey hell yeah! Not surprised but didnt know they made multi spindle auto screw machines that can handle 4 inch hex bar. Thats insanely huge.
What some of the negative comment people need to remember is the " quality remains long after the dollars are forgotten "
That cutter is awesome
Not sure what's going on as I only seem to get notifications for every second vid you upload. I've clicked the "all notifications".
I only discovered this because I was receiving notifications of "part 2" vids without being notified of part 1.
Is it only me or are other subscribers having the same issue?
Got mine
@@youtubestolemyhandle1 He likes you better... *sniff sniff... whaaaaa*... I was always picked last for sports too.
:)
Actually this happens on YT on other channels I sub to - I don't know the rhyme or reason.
@@youtubestolemyhandle1 thanks for letting me know👍
I do smell good
@@youtubestolemyhandle1 LOL!!!!!
I love that you said scoche or skoshe how ever it’s spelled. I thought for ever my mom made that up.
S'koshi is Japanese for "a little." No doubt it came into common usage from the countless military stationed in Japan and Okinawa over the years. Of course it came to be shortened to "skosh."
@@tomzuchowski6590 In 1961 I was mystified when older Air Force mechanics who had previously been stationed in Japan began telling me to tighten something just a skosh more.
Always enjoy your work with dedication to have an excelent product.
Thanks for sharing another great video Adam. I dont know what it is with milling and the shaper but I find it kinda hypnotic to watch. Really enjoy watching you do your work and teaching all the time. Take care and keep them coming 😎
Great video Adam👍 Thanks for sharing
of course ..another quality and educational vid from Adam!.... i hear that Steve Summers is selling squirrels! ...$20 for a pound
Nice job. Looking forward to the rest of the videos.
Your shops a perfect example of taking care of your tools and machines they will LAST and a clean working AREA shows pride
What is wrong with the way you are using your sky hook? It picks things up and puts them down so you do not have to. Looks like that is how you are using it to me.Maybe i am missing something? love the videos thanks
Would a torque wrench be useful to make sure the pressure on the clamp is the same on all pieces so the distortion is uniform
Why stop there? Strain gauges on each, mini pressure sensors under the web? The webs are thick enough that the pressure from that light tighten isn't going to bother them in the slightest.
As a woodworker and not a machinist, Its even obvious to me that that skyhook will never equal the pressure exerted on the tool post when Adam is making big chips.
Let the man do his thing....I'm pretty sure nobody is more concerned about his machines than him lol.
Nice set-up..even if you could do two squares at a time. Love the overhang so that you could check thickness without moving the work piece. As they all say...measure twice, cut once !!
Adam, Awesome video great content really enjoyable to watch thanks for sharing your video.!.!.!.
What's wrong with using the sky hook on the mill? That's what I would use it for. Sure beats having to lift a 142 pound vise up with your arms and back. I think people are just jealous of your sky hook. Haha.
Was thinking the same thing. Work smart while you work. Save the body for future use. 😉👍
I'm also confused as to why anyone would have an issue with how the sky hook is being used.
I for one love it,,, my back relaxes every time I see it !!
There’s loads of comments on the reveal video of why I’m doing harm.
@@Abom79 to me it would seem that the K&T mill is a piece of equipment that is made to handle a decent amount of weight on that table. I wouldn't imagine that you lifting your vise on to it would do any damage. Not to mention that the thing is only under load for like 10 to 15 seconds. No way that's gonna damage anything when the machine is designed to hold a lot more weight than that for long periods of time during machining operations.
Again, experience wins the day 😉 Top work Adam
Thanks for letting us "hang out" at your shop today Adam...
And I'm really kind of disappointed 16 people within one hour gave this a thumbs down.. Why people?
these are perfectly acceptable machining practices this man is using..
Sure,,, there's many other ways he could have done it .. I just don't understand... anyway great video Adam
Thunder blunder here, I’d have to say, the amount of chips flying every where must take you ages to clean down at the of the night, but have to Give it to you. Your machines are always clean as well as your workshop, I’m on catch up,
Adam, couldn’t you just clamp the castings directly to the table to save time. You could probably mill all of them in one go then use the vice to mill the 90’.
@Ronnie Wilson that is a good question. Even if he didn't have enough stops/tee-nuts/strap-clamps etc to do all thirteen at once he could probably get half of them down directly on the table. I was also thinking that the workpieces overhanging the edge of the tooling plate... on top of the vise... might have not been rigid enough. As it turns out it was fine but there was some issue with the tooling plate anyhow. A bunch of well placed workstops (bushings) and quick release lever clamps would have really sped the process up.
ETA: Thought about it some more and the only real gain from fixturing directly to the table would be rigidity. Not that that is a bad thing but... unless he was doing dozens to hundreds of these squares he wouldn't save much, if any, time. Might even take a bit longer because he has to position a couple dozen stops instead of just two.
Adam has all these parts as one offs really as he has never had to set up for doing the op before.
Its always a learning curve and generally on the last part of a small batch you find the better way.
Give the guy a break, he does a fantastic job , and i myself have been entertained for many hrs.
Did you finish the 1x2 fixture plate you were working on? If so you could have used it to set up two squares on the same long side.
Hello from Russia. Please take care of yourself and good health to You.
The harder spots in the casting is that due to uneven cooling of the casting?
I have noticed harder spots in for example mild steel that's of cheaper origin and was told its mostly due to for example manganese pockets
Once upon a time you had a old school shop there you used to fix real customers different repair and manufacturing I rather watch real old school job machining .
anyone disagreeing with using the crane probably hasn't ever dropped one of those big chucks or a big piece of barstock.
Let them disagree all they want. Needlessly lugging around awfully heavy (and expensive/sensitive) equipment without assistance tends to bring about a lesson or two all by itself, given time.
Most machine shops I've been working with all had either (or even both) overhead cranes and swing-arm cranes to move those heavy pieces of iron.
Adam,
I don't know why, I kept expecting you to do this on the shaper. Great video.
I know you love your KT mill and its very rigid, but, machining those on a Bridgeport would give you the reach you need to face two at a time. A bonus would be the ease of tramming the head too.
So, where does a Bridgeport live in this shop? Should he stop the project and source a new mill? I don't understand your comment. What is the point?
@@paulcopeland9035 professormag's gonna send him one, all set up and dialed in.. right professormag?
Bridgeport is overrated IMO.
And then hand feed the Y axis. 👎🏻
It looks like mass and cleanliness makes for accuracy ...
Smart impressive work
For making a right angle reference point and clamp condition are true all opreation depend to make right rf points👍 i think
OMG one raw unmachined casting--------------------------------------Raw casting. $157.55
You have to be out of your freaking mind.
"It is what it is" .....DJT
Laddie.....With all of your cast iron knowledge, it sounds like you need to go into the custom foundry business.
Sounds like you buy your tools at Harbor Freight
About $2 per pound for raw material, so maybe $14-16 including the sprue/scrap. Stress relief a batch, about $100 and probably 10 at a time ($10 per). The pattern probably cost about $2000 to be CNC cut. I’ll assume he wants to get his money back after 50 of these, so $40 per for the patten. Then packaging, maybe 1 in 4 is scrap or has porosity. So he’s in for $80 per to just cast a good one to cover the cost, then he’s got to make a living off this.
Harbor Freight is that way --> go get all the pot metal castings you want there.
Adam, you need a surface grinder. No idea where you would put it, but...
Omg I would love to have a few machines like that
That Sky Hook is a great idea. Injury can be cumulative and that little crane is way cheaper than an orthopedic surgeon!
So how about mounting them directly to the table, without even the vise? Looks like you could have fitted all of them at once maybe.
I think for a precision job there’s too much potential for inconsistency across the whole table. That’s why a fixture plate is useful. It’s a known dimension with very little inaccuracy across the face. The table isn’t a precision surface
@@kevincostes1 I beg to differ on the inaccuracy of a table. Production wise, the vice and fixture is easier and quicker in the initial setup and can make the job a lot quicker too.
@@kevincostes1 if the table isn't precise, then the vice and plate won't be either.
I like to use an aluminum pallet (fixture) and skim the top surface to ensure work pieces machine flat - rather then messing around with shims. the same principle as soft jaws
Why would anyone disagree with you using the Skyhook for whatever you want to use the Skyhook for? It's *yours*.
there's nothing wrong with disagreeing.
@@executive I disagree :):):) Seriously, though, it's a tool he got to do what he's doing with it. What's to disagree with? I use my hammer to hit things. It's what's it for, so that's how I use it. Although, sometimes, I use it to hit my thumb.
@@rsluggy6485 for example I could tell you that you're holding the hammer like a girl. If you held it properly like this, then you wouldn't have peck at the nail like that (and maybe not hit your thumb as much).
Nice looking squares, with a little more material cast on the diagonal they could have been 45° as well
Muito bom trabalho amigo, suas ferramentas são muito boas.
Still waiting for the stoker engine machining.......
Keith Rucker's project?
@@silasmarner7586 Yes.. it is a collaboration project and as far as i know adam will be shaping the stoker housing.
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I don’t see why you wouldn’t use the sky hook! Saves your back for sure! Always people who think they know better! Just ignore them!!
I don't remember anybody saying pick the vise up in your hands.
Most of the objections I remember were about mounting it on the lathe cross slide which I would not do but not my lathe so not my call. :-)
Question: your method of tie-down, isn't the square being distorted with down pressure?
Better to break a tool than your back ! if you were worried about damaging the machine you could make up a sub plate to spread the load over two t slots , would only take a minute longer to install but with those big old American made machines i don't think you could break them if you tried !
А поверка готовых изделий на плите?
Adam, Where can I pick up some of those mini hold down straps. I could really use those in the shop. Always look forward to your videos.
Adam: serious question: do you make it a point not to say "thou"? Seems like standard vernacular for most machinists. Its almost like you intentionally avoid the term. Just an observation.
i've heard him say it before and he says "tenths" so i don't think he's avoiding it
Keith Rucker rocks.
Thanks for sharing!
Why don't you make a brass "shoe" shim on that clamp so you don't have to put it on separately while clamping stuff down to be more efficient?
Balance of time to make the shoe v's a few seconds per time. If this became a regular job week in, week out, then it would be worthwhile. For 13 squares it's going to be a total of less than 2 minutes, and Adam would take longer just putting the material in the mill, never mind indicating it...
Thanks
I set-up screw machine, some took 8 hours just to set the machine
Neat. Wish I had a job like that available to me
Adam, at 26:18 you have them stacked on what I believe is your lift table. It looks like you have a T-slot surface with some kind of cloth. What is it really?
Thats just the rubber matt on the top of the lift table... if you goolge "harbor freight lift table" you can see some other angles of it.
@@bottlerocket3333 Thanks
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Hey Adam, not to tell you how to do your job because I’m not a machinist but why couldn’t you put four pieces with corner to corner in the center of the holding plate?
My thought is that they wouldnt be square and level in respect to their legs, like they'd be slanted or tipped due to the "bulk" machining. They'd all be square regarding the other 3, but they'd be off compared to all the other ones.
Note, I only just began a machining apprenticeship and I am no expert in this, nor do i claim to be:)
It could probably work looking at it but you would end up with some weird finishes I think because I don’t think you would be able to avoid cutting two at a time sometimes, and maybe that would be too much load on the machine.. also not a machinist 😆
Also, he mentioned he doesnt have enough travel on his y-axis to reach the outside edges on the back side of the plate
Eric Barry yep that’s probably the reason then haha
Hi Adam,
Interesting watching the setup to hold the squares...
Take care
Paul,,
Adam, no criticism meant at all here, but are you considering the milling as an accurate enough finish for a machinist's square, or are they going to be surface ground as well? I ask because my school days with machine shop were mostly with high carbon tool bits. I'm guessing that the improved cutting with carbide makes the difference.
I've never used one, so I'm going to ask -- in a production run like this, could you use a toggle clamp bolted to your fixture plate, or do they not have sufficient holding power?
Not enough holding power. I was surprised Adam only used one clamp.
Straight edge?? I thot they were bacon presses. I was about to ask where do I order from.
Newbie question for you Adam; why is it better to go to all the trouble of a casting instead of just making a square out of a thick piece of plate?
cast iron is used for its dimensional stability.
How can you be sure the casting edge, which the pins are registering to, is straight along its length?
does it matter?
Nope!
I've moved so many vices in my life that honestly I didn't even know they weighed that much. I thought these things are like 75 lb